I want to extend my support and thanks to the firefighter who was lowering that ladder. Massive courage and dedication. Your team is darn lucky to have you on the team!!!!
We had a similar fire here in Erie Pa. Once the furniture gets going with all of the foam and particle board it is very hard to put out. The heat generated is massive and ignites materials 20 feet from the actual flames.The sotre here burned to the ground and the restaurant and apartments next door were saved.
being a former volunteer firefighter, I can honestly say that what we think beforehand that we would want to do for a fire like this, falls completely apart when we get the call. So I will keep my Monday morning quarterback to a minimum. The one thing I would have done differently is once the front windows blew out, while waiting on the setup of the master streams, I would have set up groups of fire fighters with 2 1/2 straight tips and minimize the speed with which it could spread. 5 - 2 1/2's in front would have slowed this fire down a lot and it would have protected the ladder truck, which almost certainly needed a new paint job. I have felt the heat before and it is oppressive. It will wear you out in no time. The decision to relay instead of grabbing another plug on the same grid was the right thing to do. Crews I rode with, almost certainly all retired by now, experienced a like conflagration with the Woodway Square Apartments fire back on July 31st 1979. Imagine over a hundred buildings, 3-story, wood shingle siding for the upper two floors plus wood shingle roofs. 90+ degree Houston summer day, plus 20 MPH south wind. There simply wasn't any way to get enough water. The crews finally had to pick a spot and make a stand with what they had. Fortunately they were able to hold it at that point. It still took a day and a half to complete the mop up. Houston dispatched 7 alarms, which was 2/3's of all the equipment in the city. The dispatcher knew the chief and had so much respect for him, that he kept giving him more. We also had at least 4 other area departments, some called and some that ran wild, that also pitched in. Nobody working that day wanted to say they missed the "big one". I, had called into work and told them I would be late before finding out what was burning. A friend and I took a couple dozen bottles of Gator-aide to the fire fighters after I got off at midnight. Before this fire, we had always talked about how if we ever got anything bigger than a dumpster fire, this would be the result. Shortly after this fire, the Houston City Council voted to ban wood shingles roofs. We thought we would never again see something this big. Then on March 25th 2014, it happened again. This time, efficiency had led construction teams to put up a small city worth of apartments - lots and lots of pine - and not one sheet of sheet rock on the walls. Again, the higher winds fanned the flames and spread the fire faster than fire fighters could decide how to deploy. The result was dramatic video of a construction worker rescued in the nick of time. Both fires are searchable on Google and UA-cam. Virtually every apartment building built this way, has burned up at least once before being completed. Cities need to grow a brain and outlaw building over a certain number of square feet without putting up the sheet rock.
I completely agree im not a firefighter but my uncle was and if I was the captain or whoevers in charge first due I wouldve kept those towers away from the building and hit it with hand lines
I have seen poor placement of equipment come back and bite before. This is not these guys first rodeo with fires and I hope the engineer and captain both learned something. Another video showed the chief's buggy parked on the curb, right behind the truck and them hurrying to get it moved. No water or hose on that car chief. Park that thing out of they way and walk a little.
Holy shit! That poor Fireman on the ladder truck must of felt like he was being cooked alive. Has to be some damage done to the side of ladder truck. This fire sure went sideways fast!
They had a 2.5 line flowing that could have provided a water curtain to keep that ladder truck and truckie from getting cooked until they moved it. Not sure why they pulled so close to the building being it's a ladder truck.
I love that there's an American Heart Association instructional video on CPR playing on the TV at left starting at 10:15. After all, that's a firefighter skill!
The Buffalo Fire Department here in Buffalo,NY lost an aerial tiller when it was blown 35 feet across the street on 27 December 1983 unfortunately all five firefighters that were on board the rig were killed
Это ещё ничего. В одном видео эти "борцуны" С пожаром умудрились ТРИ дома в угли превратить, два из них можно было спасти. Но случилось то же, что и здесь - один тушит, остальные прогуливаются
Time and time again, when I watch UA-cam videos of structure fires, fought by our brave men and women, I am noticing one huge difference between hard hitting immediate responses crews, that almost always seem to take fire fighting action immediately, no matter how small, while the rest of the crew sets up contingency for a massive fire, and the crews who seem to treat every fire like it will be an all out disaster, and it usually is, by the time they get set up, without any fire fighting during those critical first minutes upon arrival. I'm talking about fires that are relatively small upon arrival and they become large while the crew is setting up, especially when no fireman is using the reeled hose and self-contained pump water. I'll illustrate. Imagine if you have two very different approaches by emergency personnel (EMT), upon first arriving where a person is/has suffered a heart attack. The 'A' crew takes immediate action, checking for a pulse, starting compressions, reaching for the defibrillator with one hand or the other crew member, and continue efforts with progression to greater and greater equipment, medicines (adrenaline/contacting the hospital) as earlier attempts didn't fully work, up to, and including transporting to the hospital (always, even if the victim's heart is started). Scenario number two, the 'B' crew, (fictional account for purposes of my discussion about firefighting differences), don't do anything with the victim until they get all their gear out, set it all up, and get to work well past the critical five minutes needed for response if they are to survive, then try everything, and transport to the hospital, or morgue, having tried everything, except first response action and due-dillegence. By then, it's too late. The heart attack victim is diciest. This analogy illustrates the differences between the initial firefighting effort, by one or two crew members, with basic fire hose and pump truck, while the rest of the crew sets up for a massive fire assault. Compare this with the crew who does nothing to fight the fire until they have setup for the big fire assault. The second scenario almost guarantees the fire will be big by the time any water is applied. Safety is important, even 'first', and you can be effective while being safe, even with a small, high output, well aimed, well manipulated, skillfully applied, steam of water on the early stages of a fire. The first response team arrives, anchores, but does not yet set the supply hose to the hydrant (if available), drives to the fire. The whole crew makes an intelligent evaluation of the likelyhood of human/animal life involvement, threats to other structures, threats from the ground, sinkholes, electrical, gasline, and everything that is obvious, but not the more complete evaluation, which is done while the remaining crew is setting up the main hydrant supply, the hoses, the latters, tools, crain, etc.,. One or two firepersonnel begin immediate firefighting efforts with the truck's reeled hose and truck stored and pumped water. Those on the first hose spray the main fire, and as many exposures as practical and effective. They spray from the main fire 70% of the time, alternating aiming points, beginning with the most effective points, either to adjacent structures just starting to go, with a fast spray/supression on the obvious source of the fire, , secondary sprays on the part of the structure not yet involved and back to suppressing the main fire, or where the hose is most effective at preserving/preventiing fire spread. It seems to be both a science and an art, both aiming at the bottom and soaking the top. Spraying adjacent plants and/or structures not yet involved, for like 30 seconds, alternating with the main fire source and to where the fire seems to by trying to go next. That initial pumping action is potentially all that will need to be done, except the mopping up. Keep attacking the fire with the reeled hose/pump and onboard water supply until the fire is out, the water is out and/or the main supply line is finally building pressure and the first responders can go to work with the better water pressure. First response with water is as important, I beleive, as the EMT doing something with very little, escalating as needed, instead of getting everything you could possibly think of before trying to save the patient. Time is everything. P.S. If the crew can't spare one or two members with a thousand gallons and a 100gpm hose and nozzle to try for ten minutes to do an initial assault on the fire, then it is already a multi-alarm blaze, in which case the one or two men can still be spared to do an initial assault on the fire until the rest of the trucks arrive and all the various gear is set up. Thank you, all of you, who brave the hot and smoky fires and life rescues, in any kind of weather, volunteer and paid, you are awesome !
I have been watching so many videos relating to fire response and find it alarming that the time taken to get a first attack line in attendance is beyond belief, fire can escalate quickly due to material, gasses etc, but the simple approach of putting the wet stuff on the hot stuff is NOT rocket science, a simple few lines, pick up water to the engine and attack it will small maneuverable lines will go very far in reducing spread and heat , com eon boys, fireman job is to put water on the fire, leave the logistics to high command who want o show their worth, simple, water water water water,
@@tonyrowland9216 They took their time at the fire and let it burn they could’ve put it out way sooner trust me I know a lot of firefighters and a few fires have happen where I live and they get here as fas as they can and immediately put water on the fire no matter what your the head ass the took so long I could have planned my funeral and came back in enough time
@@tonyrowland9216 As someone who adheres to the aggressive and immediate tactics like the OP describes, I can tell by your comment that you either never been involved in firefighting or you are part of the culture the OP also described. My description of that approach is far less kind than his.
Nothing against your comment because I'm planning to go to fire school to get certified. But I'm confused. In classes. They always teach before action, "scene size up" "scene size up" "SCENE SIZE UP." But in the field I'm sure that's usually not the case when you have to fight a fire as soon as you come upon it. My question is, how come some firefighters seem to have been taught to size up a fire, think about what's needed, get set up, THEN start fighting vs. What you mentioned, get there get ready to go immediately start putting water/foam on the fire? This may come off as naive but like I said, I'm only an EMT and I was taught in school to have PPE on before arrival, but always size up the scene when im there. Dont just run in. I just started working at a fire station a month ago as volunteer and absolutely am obsessed with it. But they also mentioned, class is not the same as the field. My only rule is to have my gear on and be support for any personnel that need oxygen, water, or medical attention of some level below intrusive. So far, by sheer coincidence, the several shifts that have had fires, I've always been off the clock at my other job. I've never seen how you're supposed to properly operate in the case of a fire in person, so i look at these videos and think wow, "they did a good job", but of course I have no idea lol But I'd very much like to have some sort of idea of the proper response before heading into fire school.
I think the fire crews did a wonderful job. I jave a question. Why and inseem it in other videos dontheu not spray the bottom of the fire amd always at the top part. I would think the bottom is.the source amd would be am ideal place to.put it out.
Can we all learn from this. 1. when you pull up on a building with a HIGH Combustible fuel load, like a furniture store and you cant control it in the first 5 minutes Its gonna do exactly what this did. So, apparatus placement is a factor. 2. Big Fire Big water open up with a 2 " tip not an 1 3/8 tip. its the difference between 500 gpm and 1000 gpm. Hand lines aren't going to ever cut it.
Whoever was the driver for that tiller truck should be fired for parking in lane 1. Every firefighter knows that a furniture store is about the most dangerous fire there is. With so much wood, fabric, and foam, there is little chance to extinguish a well seated fire from taking the entire building. Parking the tiller in front of 4 windows is just asking for the paint to char.
What I do not understand is, why there was no waterscreen put between the fire and the truck. Not difficult to put up and it would give some time to act.
The best action for advanced fires such as this it large Caliber Streams. The thermal output of fires of this size is often beyond the capability of even 2 1/2" handlines. A large caliber stream often are 800 GPM and often more. Multiple large Caliber Stream are the key in these advanced fires. A totally agree the firefighter that lowered the aerial ladder really did a brave exceptional job. Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired
Does anyone know the cause of the fire? My guess (based on furniture store in a not so great neighborhood (see boarded up building next door)) is that "Lightning struck from the clear skies above..." in other words, a torch job...
Everybody's talking about the tiller being way too close to the building, and it was, but you gotta feel for the operator up on the rig. The heat off that fire must have been brutal and the truck couldn't move until he got the ladder down. I would be shocked if he didn't require medical assistance after this and if the rig wasn't missing some paint on the fire side.
Definitely way too close knowing the fuel load in there and as soon as that black turbulent smoke started rolling heavy like that everything should have been in motion to get it down and out....but you know what? $#!7 happens. Truck didn't catch fire and take him with it. He didn't catch fire...although I bet he was pretty damn close. Props to him for sticking with it (should he have? is what it is). Dudes got balls. I give him credit just for the fact that he did everything by himself. Not ONE of his guys came to help. No one was at the riggers ready to bring them up asap. No one was in the cab ready to move. All by himself until he was already on the edge of being cooked.
Also, you never put a rig within 1.5 times the height of masonry buildings because of the potential collapse zone. I've seen them come down on trucks, and it's not pretty!
Better look at their website before you criticize, they are a nationally recognized unit particularly as to response time. How many fires have you commanded.
Это будто система! Не один ролик с пожарными США смотрел: приезжают быстро, развертываются быстро, но приступают медленно - какая то своеобразная бюрократия. У них один к гидранту цепляет, а только другой в другого цвета форме имеет право повернуть вентиль (на другом ролике). Среди пожарных - самых рабочих и то много винипухов - как будто учения по демонстрации теории.
Horrible! Messed up with rig placement. Messed up with not getting any lines on the fire forever. When they eventually get a deck gun going the guy shoots it over the building many times. They break all the windows next door when the building is fine and has ZERO smoke. Horrible fire attack.
I rememberthat fire. Rt across the street. A new Cuban restaurant replaced Ricky's Frontier. The new restaurant owner is the fire chief, highest ranking fireman in union city. Next day no investigator looking for source. that burned furniture store was leveled and paved into parking lot for that restaurant. You connect the dots. Its Easier than a 2 yr old coloring book.
The amount of arm chair firefighters in the comments is cringe worthy. PEoplel dont understand how and why things are done. For example, the building adjacent should by all rights be gone as well. Amazing job keeping that from going up. This was a defensive fire fight. That means you dont go in, and you fight it from outside and protect other buildings. They did that very well. Im guessing they didnt get the call until the inside was rioling black smoke. Thats just a bit of o2 away from full roaring blaze. The truck cant move until the ladder is retracted. Hense the guy using the side as a heat sheild and moving it as fast as he can. Im guessing when the first arrived the front hadnt self ventilated yet, so it was a smart palce to put it. No way they parked it there when it was already blazing. Theres about a billion factors that go into the choices we make on a fire scene, and people taking from ignorance when they dont understand why XYZ happens is really frustrating.
Fifth alarm is usually the highest level alarm sounded for a fire. There are some fire departments with higher levels, but the general consensus is that a 5 alarm fire is the most dangerous. These types of fires can require as many as 100 firefighters in order to extinguish the fire entirely.
Any First Responders get my respect and gratitude, be they police, fire, EMT, anyone who puts their lives one the line for our safety any health! Thank you to all of you and my you and you families be blessed! Please be careful and stay safe! I know this was 2 tears ago but things like it happen somewhere everyday!
Thank you I’ve read ALOT of comments but yours was the sweetest of all so EVEN “2 tears” 😊😂 later WE APPRECIATE IT OR LETS SAY THIS 1st Responder does and can speak for my husband too who is the REAL hero. His size 100% and body build that God gave him sure does come into play with as many HORRIBLE accidents we’ve worked the last 10 years and fires. Our Chief relies ALOT on him and I am better EMT, running the controls & driving (never knew a small barrel racer/cutter/ex race horse trainer jockey/jumper would use her commercial driver skills that use to be pulling multi million $$ rigs and animals NOW operates multi thousand to million $$$ apparatuses…….God DEFINITELY works in mysterious ways) I can attest for the ladder guys THAT WAS 1 scene I never ever ever want to witness much less work. THE HEAT ALONE did some SERIOUS DAMAGE to that ladder truck. I’m surprised it all even operated still that well and what was WORSE was the chalks and set up on the right side of the truck and lines drug when trying to disassemble and move. THANK YOU STILL SO MUCH for taking the time 6 years later to comment. This Mississippi girl REALLY needed it today!!!
Quick response saved a 5 unit 1920 all wood garage back in Long Beach California when some homeless person started a fire in a sofa dumped against one of my garage doors. I came out to go to work and Long Beach Fire Dept was already on top of it at 5:30am. I don't know who called them but there had been a series of such fires. Lucky me and thank you LBFD. Thailand Paul
It's very easy to play Monday morning QB here and sometimes we become overwhelmed by our ladder truck almost getting melted down and it clogs our thinking process. My main question is why were there not 1 or 2 monitors deployed and fixed on the storefront so they could attack the interior from the outside?
Since it looks like they are getting their source from the same as everyone else, they can only get so many gpm before they can get the go ahead from the pump station and treatment plant once they get on it to supply more. Thus the more hydrants they lock into and use the lower the volume at the other end and the need to call into the appropriate authorities for more supply. In the case of water body sources they need prior approval before they set up the pumps with hard lines into the water and then get the pumps charged and going with up to what their limit is in terms of gpm.
Those who prefer to work with chainsaws or cut-off machines. Then windows and doors are also smashed in. Couldn't the windows in the left building also be opened "normally"?
There were members on the roof in the opening minutes of the video. If they had saws on the roof and performed effective vertical venting, that would have substantially reduced the spread within. Also, if the members standing around in the street had multiple 2 1/2" lines on operation, I'm sure that we wouldn't have seen the amount of fire showing in the first 10 minutes of the . Still wondering what that Tower Ladder on the Exposure #4 (D side) of the building was supposed to accomplish.
Видимо есть договоренности между пожарными и погорельцами,чем больше сгорит тем больше страховка.Другого обьяснения по бездействию пожарных нет. Гидрант в 30 метрах и толпа пожарных
Coming from Holland I wonder why people in the USA build houses from wood. Building like this was forbidden here because of fire accidents. The ban started here in the year 1475........................................
Question: why was the aerial appliance deployed where it was, when it was, fully erected without water. It was reasonably obvious that the building was a lost cause. Surround and drown may have been a reasonable idea or was there water issues??
WHat is really disturbing is the time it took to get water to the flames. The fire fighters seemed to have been let down by the infrustructure. It always amazes me that furnature whearhouses are not considered petrol dumps by town planners and inspectors.
From what I see, NHRFR setup correctly and were doing what they needed to do. Scenes change and the store flashed. The Truck had outriggers set, the stick was up and the heat was intense. They did not do anything wrong from my view and I am a 13 year firefighter here in NJ.
It's not the type of situation to make a joke but I guess that during the holiday shopping season they must have had a seriously hot sale going on. So hot it went through the roof.
thought they should at least cool down the veicle or water shield the heat from fire while moving it out. still not understand the dynamics about when choose to fight fire and when let it burn it's not a complain but a request of information. if anyone know a video tutorial or some better explanation it will be more than wellcome ! I see white smoke than black and then the flames. why not pouting water inside from outside to cool down and avoid the flames spreads? Furniture shop = wood + resins and paints = a lot of flammable\combustion materials. air plenty due the large openings ( all glasses smashed down) then the only way to avoid igniction is lower the temperature. triangle of fire.
great video but what was happening around the Ladder truck… no back up spray with water to cool the exposure even thought there were charged lines… bad
I keep wondering too (Dutch here). Same when I see their police 'chases' - following a car around, not doing much until they crash themselves. Likewise, in firefighting, they seem to wait until the building razes itself.
I want to extend my support and thanks to the firefighter who was lowering that ladder. Massive courage and dedication. Your team is darn lucky to have you on the team!!!!
Khs
The Video is great for teaching, how it should never go!
I was like MOVE THAT TRUCK!!! doesn't take a fire fighter to know that truck was placed too close to the fire lol
i agree you would think some of the fire fighters standing there would spray the truck down an the fire fighter who was bringing down the ladder
It took forever to move it.
Man i'm watching this 2 years after everyone else and its still going.
I’m watching it in 21 and yep, it’s still burning.
You think fire videos have time limits?
Man I’m watching this 5 years after everyone else and its still going.
Im at 4yrs....they still aint got it yet.
We had a similar fire here in Erie Pa. Once the furniture gets going with all of the foam and particle board it is very hard to put out. The heat generated is massive and ignites materials 20 feet from the actual flames.The sotre here burned to the ground and the restaurant and apartments next door were saved.
being a former volunteer firefighter, I can honestly say that what we think beforehand that we would want to do for a fire like this, falls completely apart when we get the call. So I will keep my Monday morning quarterback to a minimum. The one thing I would have done differently is once the front windows blew out, while waiting on the setup of the master streams, I would have set up groups of fire fighters with 2 1/2 straight tips and minimize the speed with which it could spread. 5 - 2 1/2's in front would have slowed this fire down a lot and it would have protected the ladder truck, which almost certainly needed a new paint job. I have felt the heat before and it is oppressive. It will wear you out in no time. The decision to relay instead of grabbing another plug on the same grid was the right thing to do.
Crews I rode with, almost certainly all retired by now, experienced a like conflagration with the Woodway Square Apartments fire back on July 31st 1979.
Imagine over a hundred buildings, 3-story, wood shingle siding for the upper two floors plus wood shingle roofs. 90+ degree Houston summer day, plus 20 MPH south wind. There simply wasn't any way to get enough water. The crews finally had to pick a spot and make a stand with what they had. Fortunately they were able to hold it at that point. It still took a day and a half to complete the mop up. Houston dispatched 7 alarms, which was 2/3's of all the equipment in the city. The dispatcher knew the chief and had so much respect for him, that he kept giving him more. We also had at least 4 other area departments, some called and some that ran wild, that also pitched in. Nobody working that day wanted to say they missed the "big one". I, had called into work and told them I would be late before finding out what was burning. A friend and I took a couple dozen bottles of Gator-aide to the fire fighters after I got off at midnight. Before this fire, we had always talked about how if we ever got anything bigger than a dumpster fire, this would be the result. Shortly after this fire, the Houston City Council voted to ban wood shingles roofs. We thought we would never again see something this big. Then on March 25th 2014, it happened again. This time, efficiency had led construction teams to put up a small city worth of apartments - lots and lots of pine - and not one sheet of sheet rock on the walls. Again, the higher winds fanned the flames and spread the fire faster than fire fighters could decide how to deploy. The result was dramatic video of a construction worker rescued in the nick of time. Both fires are searchable on Google and UA-cam. Virtually every apartment building built this way, has burned up at least once before being completed. Cities need to grow a brain and outlaw building over a certain number of square feet without putting up the sheet rock.
I completely agree im not a firefighter but my uncle was and if I was the captain or whoevers in charge first due I wouldve kept those towers away from the building and hit it with hand lines
The most expensive exposure at most fires these days is the fire apparatus, especially aerials in the million dollar price range.
Apparently these guys missed Lesson 1 of firefighting: flow water quick
You know nothing.
There was no need. 4 years later, it will be a public library.
Unless your a firefighter don't preach.
I have seen poor placement of equipment come back and bite before. This is not these guys first rodeo with fires and I hope the engineer and captain both learned something. Another video showed the chief's buggy parked on the curb, right behind the truck and them hurrying to get it moved. No water or hose on that car chief. Park that thing out of they way and walk a little.
They knew the deal. A brand new public library will be on the same spot.
Holy shit! That poor Fireman on the ladder truck must of felt like he was being cooked alive. Has to be some damage done to the side of ladder truck. This fire sure went sideways fast!
I never did like driving a ladder truck of any description. I'll thread a needle with my engine though. Retired driver, 29 years service.
16:10 why hoses aimed in the air instead at base of fire?
Exposure building dummy
They had a 2.5 line flowing that could have provided a water curtain to keep that ladder truck and truckie from getting cooked until they moved it. Not sure why they pulled so close to the building being it's a ladder truck.
Well they saved the foundation anyway
I love that there's an American Heart Association instructional video on CPR playing on the TV at left starting at 10:15. After all, that's a firefighter skill!
The Buffalo Fire Department here in Buffalo,NY lost an aerial tiller when it was blown 35 feet across the street on 27 December 1983 unfortunately all five firefighters that were on board the rig were killed
That was one heavy fire load. Poor turntable operator was getting parboiled by radiant heat.
for a fire like this, I would think a couple of water monitors strategically placed could have done a better job?
Even the grass sprinkler in my garden would have
I think that was the plan
Как с таким количеством народа, техники и водоснабжением можно настолько упустить пожар?
Это ещё ничего. В одном видео эти "борцуны" С пожаром умудрились ТРИ дома в угли превратить, два из них можно было спасти. Но случилось то же, что и здесь - один тушит, остальные прогуливаются
Time and time again, when I watch UA-cam videos of structure fires, fought by our brave men and women, I am noticing one huge difference between hard hitting immediate responses crews, that almost always seem to take fire fighting action immediately, no matter how small, while the rest of the crew sets up contingency for a massive fire, and the crews who seem to treat every fire like it will be an all out disaster, and it usually is, by the time they get set up, without any fire fighting during those critical first minutes upon arrival. I'm talking about fires that are relatively small upon arrival and they become large while the crew is setting up, especially when no fireman is using the reeled hose and self-contained pump water. I'll illustrate.
Imagine if you have two very different approaches by emergency personnel (EMT), upon first arriving where a person is/has suffered a heart attack. The 'A' crew takes immediate action, checking for a pulse, starting compressions, reaching for the defibrillator with one hand or the other crew member, and continue efforts with progression to greater and greater equipment, medicines (adrenaline/contacting the hospital) as earlier attempts didn't fully work, up to, and including transporting to the hospital (always, even if the victim's heart is started).
Scenario number two, the 'B' crew, (fictional account for purposes of my discussion about firefighting differences), don't do anything with the victim until they get all their gear out, set it all up, and get to work well past the critical five minutes needed for response if they are to survive, then try everything, and transport to the hospital, or morgue, having tried everything, except first response action and due-dillegence. By then, it's too late. The heart attack victim is diciest.
This analogy illustrates the differences between the initial firefighting effort, by one or two crew members, with basic fire hose and pump truck, while the rest of the crew sets up for a massive fire assault. Compare this with the crew who does nothing to fight the fire until they have setup for the big fire assault. The second scenario almost guarantees the fire will be big by the time any water is applied. Safety is important, even 'first', and you can be effective while being safe, even with a small, high output, well aimed, well manipulated, skillfully applied, steam of water on the early stages of a fire.
The first response team arrives, anchores, but does not yet set the supply hose to the hydrant (if available), drives to the fire. The whole crew makes an intelligent evaluation of the likelyhood of human/animal life involvement, threats to other structures, threats from the ground, sinkholes, electrical, gasline, and everything that is obvious, but not the more complete evaluation, which is done while the remaining crew is setting up the main hydrant supply, the hoses, the latters, tools, crain, etc.,. One or two firepersonnel begin immediate firefighting efforts with the truck's reeled hose and truck stored and pumped water.
Those on the first hose spray the main fire, and as many exposures as practical and effective. They spray from the main fire 70% of the time, alternating aiming points, beginning with the most effective points, either to adjacent structures just starting to go, with a fast spray/supression on the obvious source of the fire, , secondary sprays on the part of the structure not yet involved and back to suppressing the main fire, or where the hose is most effective at preserving/preventiing fire spread. It seems to be both a science and an art, both aiming at the bottom and soaking the top. Spraying adjacent plants and/or structures not yet involved, for like 30 seconds, alternating with the main fire source and to where the fire seems to by trying to go next. That initial pumping action is potentially all that will need to be done, except the mopping up.
Keep attacking the fire with the reeled hose/pump and onboard water supply until the fire is out, the water is out and/or the main supply line is finally building pressure and the first responders can go to work with the better water pressure. First response with water is as important, I beleive, as the EMT doing something with very little, escalating as needed, instead of getting everything you could possibly think of before trying to save the patient. Time is everything.
P.S. If the crew can't spare one or two members with a thousand gallons and a 100gpm hose and nozzle to try for ten minutes to do an initial assault on the fire, then it is already a multi-alarm blaze, in which case the one or two men can still be spared to do an initial assault on the fire until the rest of the trucks arrive and all the various gear is set up.
Thank you, all of you, who brave the hot and smoky fires and life rescues, in any kind of weather, volunteer and paid, you are awesome !
I have been watching so many videos relating to fire response and find it alarming that the time taken to get a first attack line in attendance is beyond belief, fire can escalate quickly due to material, gasses etc, but the simple approach of putting the wet stuff on the hot stuff is NOT rocket science, a simple few lines, pick up water to the engine and attack it will small maneuverable lines will go very far in reducing spread and heat , com eon boys, fireman job is to put water on the fire, leave the logistics to high command who want o show their worth, simple, water water water water,
If your so damm smart and know how to do it join a dept. Otherwise shut you damm mouth!
@@tonyrowland9216 They took their time at the fire and let it burn they could’ve put it out way sooner trust me I know a lot of firefighters and a few fires have happen where I live and they get here as fas as they can and immediately put water on the fire no matter what your the head ass the took so long I could have planned my funeral and came back in enough time
@@tonyrowland9216 As someone who adheres to the aggressive and immediate tactics like the OP describes, I can tell by your comment that you either never been involved in firefighting or you are part of the culture the OP also described. My description of that approach is far less kind than his.
Nothing against your comment because I'm planning to go to fire school to get certified. But I'm confused.
In classes. They always teach before action, "scene size up" "scene size up" "SCENE SIZE UP." But in the field I'm sure that's usually not the case when you have to fight a fire as soon as you come upon it.
My question is, how come some firefighters seem to have been taught to size up a fire, think about what's needed, get set up, THEN start fighting vs. What you mentioned, get there get ready to go immediately start putting water/foam on the fire? This may come off as naive but like I said, I'm only an EMT and I was taught in school to have PPE on before arrival, but always size up the scene when im there. Dont just run in.
I just started working at a fire station a month ago as volunteer and absolutely am obsessed with it. But they also mentioned, class is not the same as the field. My only rule is to have my gear on and be support for any personnel that need oxygen, water, or medical attention of some level below intrusive.
So far, by sheer coincidence, the several shifts that have had fires, I've always been off the clock at my other job. I've never seen how you're supposed to properly operate in the case of a fire in person, so i look at these videos and think wow, "they did a good job", but of course I have no idea lol
But I'd very much like to have some sort of idea of the proper response before heading into fire school.
Firefighting 101. Need some training here!
They wanted that land. There was no need to save the building.
*Excellent work colleagues!!!! Greetings from Firefighters in Russia!!!!*
I think the fire crews did a wonderful job. I jave a question.
Why and inseem it in other videos dontheu not spray the bottom of the fire amd always at the top part. I would think the bottom is.the source amd would be am ideal place to.put it out.
Can we all learn from this. 1. when you pull up on a building with a HIGH Combustible fuel load, like a furniture store and you cant control it in the first 5 minutes Its gonna do exactly what this did. So, apparatus placement is a factor. 2. Big Fire Big water open up with a 2 " tip not an 1 3/8 tip. its the difference between 500 gpm and 1000 gpm. Hand lines aren't going to ever cut it.
That poor chair just sat there watching every piece of furniture it knew go up.
Whoever was the driver for that tiller truck should be fired for parking in lane 1. Every firefighter knows that a furniture store is about the most dangerous fire there is. With so much wood, fabric, and foam, there is little chance to extinguish a well seated fire from taking the entire building. Parking the tiller in front of 4 windows is just asking for the paint to char.
wow very good job, thanks Firefighter man 🤗
My God what's taking them so long to move that truck?!
The breaks where down and the tower was up they couldn't move it,
mmutk I think they panicked which is why it took so long
What I do not understand is, why there was no waterscreen put between the fire and the truck. Not difficult to put up and it would give some time to act.
The had the aerial advantage and don't understand why they didn't take a vantage of it
Keith, they parked close enough at first but as you see a little too close when blaze grew, so they had to move fast as possible.
Ladder One needs a new paint job.
The best action for advanced fires such as this it large Caliber Streams. The thermal output of fires of this size is often beyond the capability of even 2 1/2" handlines. A large caliber stream often are 800 GPM and often more. Multiple large Caliber Stream are the key in these advanced fires. A totally agree the firefighter that lowered the aerial ladder really did a brave exceptional job.
Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired
Thank goodness they finally moved the firetruck that was directly in front of the fire. It looked like it was going to catch on fire.
I have heard of an everything must go sale but this is nutz!
Does anyone know the cause of the fire? My guess (based on furniture store in a not so great neighborhood (see boarded up building next door)) is that "Lightning struck from the clear skies above..." in other words, a torch job...
Good job from them, I salute them greetings from Miami where you from
Everybody's talking about the tiller being way too close to the building, and it was, but you gotta feel for the operator up on the rig. The heat off that fire must have been brutal and the truck couldn't move until he got the ladder down. I would be shocked if he didn't require medical assistance after this and if the rig wasn't missing some paint on the fire side.
Not just the ladder but the legs tucked as well, they were having and issue with one stabilizer.
I was wondering why a hand line wasn't deployed to cool the guy on the ladder base.
James Allion maybe he would be scolded with the high heat and water with hot steam
Definitely way too close knowing the fuel load in there and as soon as that black turbulent smoke started rolling heavy like that everything should have been in motion to get it down and out....but you know what? $#!7 happens. Truck didn't catch fire and take him with it. He didn't catch fire...although I bet he was pretty damn close. Props to him for sticking with it (should he have? is what it is). Dudes got balls. I give him credit just for the fact that he did everything by himself. Not ONE of his guys came to help. No one was at the riggers ready to bring them up asap. No one was in the cab ready to move. All by himself until he was already on the edge of being cooked.
Also, you never put a rig within 1.5 times the height of masonry buildings because of the potential collapse zone. I've seen them come down on trucks, and it's not pretty!
Huge fire load in those buildings. I’m interested in what the paint looks like now on that aerial.
Excellent video. Good lesson on apparatus placement. Parked that tiller in a really bad spot.
A shame that they didn't put a monitor line or two in the 60 or 70 feet of open exposure on the A side.
Better look at their website before you criticize, they are a nationally recognized unit particularly as to response time. How many fires have you commanded.
Still a bad spot,that's recognizable for sure.
Response time - yeah yeah. Putting wet stuff on the red stuff is primary. The chauffeur burned his truck. Cellar Savers
Andrew Smith .PPPp
Это будто система! Не один ролик с пожарными США смотрел: приезжают быстро, развертываются быстро, но приступают медленно - какая то своеобразная бюрократия. У них один к гидранту цепляет, а только другой в другого цвета форме имеет право повернуть вентиль (на другом ролике). Среди пожарных - самых рабочих и то много винипухов - как будто учения по демонстрации теории.
Es muy cierto 👍
Horrible! Messed up with rig placement. Messed up with not getting any lines on the fire forever. When they eventually get a deck gun going the guy shoots it over the building many times. They break all the windows next door when the building is fine and has ZERO smoke. Horrible fire attack.
That deserves an academy award.
There should have been 2- 2.5" handlines flowing in the storefront, before the ladder being setup.
Great video with a very intense and hot fire. I am actually surprised that much of the building remained!
I rememberthat fire. Rt across the street. A new Cuban restaurant replaced Ricky's Frontier. The new restaurant owner is the fire chief, highest ranking fireman in union city. Next day no investigator looking for source. that burned furniture store was leveled and paved into parking lot for that restaurant. You connect the dots. Its Easier than a 2 yr old coloring book.
So who was the dufuss that parked the ladder truck right in front of the building?
0:38 : Guy on the ladder controls probably thinking about now "the one time I will ever wish I put on a flash hood...."
Great video, intense fire!
Truck is waaaaay to close to the structure! Did it melt the paint?
How bad was the damage to the tiller?
The amount of arm chair firefighters in the comments is cringe worthy. PEoplel dont understand how and why things are done. For example, the building adjacent should by all rights be gone as well. Amazing job keeping that from going up.
This was a defensive fire fight. That means you dont go in, and you fight it from outside and protect other buildings. They did that very well. Im guessing they didnt get the call until the inside was rioling black smoke. Thats just a bit of o2 away from full roaring blaze.
The truck cant move until the ladder is retracted. Hense the guy using the side as a heat sheild and moving it as fast as he can. Im guessing when the first arrived the front hadnt self ventilated yet, so it was a smart palce to put it. No way they parked it there when it was already blazing.
Theres about a billion factors that go into the choices we make on a fire scene, and people taking from ignorance when they dont understand why XYZ happens is really frustrating.
I watch these fires in the USA and there always seems tonne an issue getting a good powerful full water jet from the hoses.
What are they waiting for????
Is that one of their saws burins at 22:09? A quick retreat from the roof?
Is there some problem with putting water in through the front of this building at the beginning
Fifth alarm is usually the highest level alarm sounded for a fire. There are some fire departments with higher levels, but the general consensus is that a 5 alarm fire is the most dangerous. These types of fires can require as many as 100 firefighters in order to extinguish the fire entirely.
These fires are so fast burning that they get the upper hand on fire fighters until the hoses get hooked up and employed! God bless our fire fighters!
Why did they destroy the Windows from the second Building?
The extinguishing of the fire is too slow, there seems to be a lot of talk, than the killing of the growing fire
Awesome video! Great job!
Dave Hitt uoo
I would love to see what the other side of the firetruck looks like with all the heart coming off the fire. I bet there were damage to that truck
Now Walgreens can buy that corner and put a store there.
That was a big fire great video
Just a thought here but wouldn’t the ladder truck be more effective in front of the fire building rather than a few buildings away just saying
Any First Responders get my respect and gratitude, be they police, fire, EMT, anyone who puts their lives one the line for our safety any health! Thank you to all of you and my you and you families be blessed! Please be careful and stay safe! I know this was 2 tears ago but things like it happen somewhere everyday!
6 years ago, I can't type,
Thank you I’ve read ALOT of comments but yours was the sweetest of all so EVEN “2 tears” 😊😂 later WE APPRECIATE IT OR LETS SAY THIS 1st Responder does and can speak for my husband too who is the REAL hero. His size 100% and body build that God gave him sure does come into play with as many HORRIBLE accidents we’ve worked the last 10 years and fires. Our Chief relies ALOT on him and I am better EMT, running the controls & driving (never knew a small barrel racer/cutter/ex race horse trainer jockey/jumper would use her commercial driver skills that use to be pulling multi million $$ rigs and animals NOW operates multi thousand to million $$$ apparatuses…….God DEFINITELY works in mysterious ways) I can attest for the ladder guys THAT WAS 1 scene I never ever ever want to witness much less work. THE HEAT ALONE did some SERIOUS DAMAGE to that ladder truck. I’m surprised it all even operated still that well and what was WORSE was the chalks and set up on the right side of the truck and lines drug when trying to disassemble and move. THANK YOU STILL SO MUCH for taking the time 6 years later to comment. This Mississippi girl REALLY needed it today!!!
Quick response saved a 5 unit 1920 all wood garage back in Long Beach California when some homeless person started a fire in a sofa dumped against one of my garage doors. I came out to go to work and Long Beach Fire Dept was already on top of it at 5:30am. I don't know who called them but there had been a series of such fires. Lucky me and thank you LBFD. Thailand Paul
New paint job for the ladder??
It's very easy to play Monday morning QB here and sometimes we become overwhelmed by our ladder truck almost getting melted down and it clogs our thinking process. My main question is why were there not 1 or 2 monitors deployed and fixed on the storefront so they could attack the interior from the outside?
can someone tell me why the windows in the adjacent building were knocked out??
Any explanation for the water delivery issues? Great vid.
Since it looks like they are getting their source from the same as everyone else, they can only get so many gpm before they can get the go ahead from the pump station and treatment plant once they get on it to supply more. Thus the more hydrants they lock into and use the lower the volume at the other end and the need to call into the appropriate authorities for more supply.
In the case of water body sources they need prior approval before they set up the pumps with hard lines into the water and then get the pumps charged and going with up to what their limit is in terms of gpm.
The radio chatter provides a clue: They are having issues with hydrants being on the same water grid and losing pressure as a result.
Why did the firefighters break the windows in the building that was next to the fire? They do it around the 16:34 mark.
Andrew Richardson the fire was spreading to that building
Why not just open them, why cause so much destruction, Saving Life and PROPERTY is paramount.
That handline isn't doing anything they should be setting a multiversal or some sort of master stream.
We have a sale on furniture today and today only with minimum smoke damage and this charbroiled chair is free with the purchase of the smoked up bed
Those who prefer to work with chainsaws or cut-off machines.
Then windows and doors are also smashed in.
Couldn't the windows in the left building also be opened "normally"?
was the other building in danger of burning,or does the fire department like breaking windows?
There were members on the roof in the opening minutes of the video. If they had saws on the roof and performed effective vertical venting, that would have substantially reduced the spread within. Also, if the members standing around in the street had multiple 2 1/2" lines on operation, I'm sure that we wouldn't have seen the amount of fire showing in the first 10 minutes of the . Still wondering what that Tower Ladder on the Exposure #4 (D side) of the building was supposed to accomplish.
Bringing in more firefighters to watch the building burn to the ground
what is all the bleeping for? does it mean anything?
Wow! Thats some heavy fire conditions and a very close call for the tiller. Great video work.
Why are there always so many firefighters just standing around? Waiting for orders? I don't understand...
Видимо есть договоренности между пожарными и погорельцами,чем больше сгорит тем больше страховка.Другого обьяснения по бездействию пожарных нет. Гидрант в 30 метрах и толпа пожарных
You are the only person that got the trick. This spot will have a brand new public library in a couple of months.
Особенности американского национального пожаротушения)
Deffo an insurance job. I can smell the Petrol ⛽️ from here in Scotland 🇬🇧. lol 😂
Just about every FDNY vid on YT is the same. Tons of equipment & men on scene doing next to nothing.
This isn’t FDNY, duh!
Coming from Holland I wonder why people in the USA build houses from wood.
Building like this was forbidden here because of fire accidents.
The ban started here in the year 1475........................................
Honest question here, why are there not multiple master stream devices in play knocking the hell out of those flames???
How the hell did the B side exposure not go up? Thats amazing
Good job from them, I salute them greetings from Miami where you from
Where in the hell are the hoses. Firetruck poorly placed!
Question: why was the aerial appliance deployed where it was, when it was, fully erected without water. It was reasonably obvious that the building was a lost cause. Surround and drown may have been a reasonable idea or was there water issues??
Such a big fire and so few hoses working it. All these units here and 11 mins I see 2 hoses, TWO?
6:52. Kind of imagine that's what the walk to hell looks like. Fire, so destructive and deadly. Yet so fascinating. Hopefully everyone got out okay.
What was taking so long for the ladder truck to move?
WHat is really disturbing is the time it took to get water to the flames. The fire fighters seemed to have been let down by the infrustructure.
It always amazes me that furnature whearhouses are not considered petrol dumps by town planners and inspectors.
No water?
How come the fire didn’t spread to the next business over? Was there some sort of fire wall put in place?
Foam rubber burns like crazy.
From what I see, NHRFR setup correctly and were doing what they needed to do. Scenes change and the store flashed. The Truck had outriggers set, the stick was up and the heat was intense. They did not do anything wrong from my view and I am a 13 year firefighter here in NJ.
I would never forget this I was there because I leave down the street
It's not the type of situation to make a joke but I guess that during the holiday shopping season they must have had a seriously hot sale going on. So hot it went through the roof.
wolfgang548 this is one hell of a fire sale
And it wasn't even barbecue season.
you guys and gals did a great job getting it controlled and not loosing any other structures
thought they should at least cool down the veicle or water shield the heat from fire while moving it out. still not understand the dynamics about when choose to fight fire and when let it burn
it's not a complain but a request of information. if anyone know a video tutorial or some better explanation it will be more than wellcome !
I see white smoke than black and then the flames. why not pouting water inside from outside to cool down and avoid the flames spreads?
Furniture shop = wood + resins and paints = a lot of flammable\combustion materials. air plenty due the large openings ( all glasses smashed down) then the only way to avoid igniction is lower the temperature. triangle of fire.
Nach 27 Minuten bekommt die Drehleiter, links, endlich Wasser!
...aber vorher wäre die fast mit abgefackelt ... OMG!
a ifre if this type needs monitors(deck guns ) on the front not a tiller aerial most all furniture store fires are surround and drown, defensive fires
May I ask what is the different between brown uniform and black uniform firefighters ???
great video but what was happening around the Ladder truck… no back up spray with water to cool the exposure even thought there were charged lines… bad
Im not from America but.. the German FD has at least 2 hoses on a burning building already 20-30 seconds after arriving on the scene.
Maybe, but this will last only until the tanks are empty. Then they have to look for water sources, too.
I keep wondering too (Dutch here). Same when I see their police 'chases' - following a car around, not doing much until they crash themselves. Likewise, in firefighting, they seem to wait until the building razes itself.
@halberdin, Most of the time its all that's needed. but no they have dedicated waterlines for this type of thing
Maarten van Heek Im also dutch.
Maarten van Heek @ God Bless America and the Ford Police Interceptor. We chase criminals better that anyone in the world and damn proud of it!
"Don't park that ladder too close to the building in case it flashes ov.......oh."
I see some confusion