Elizabeth Holmes made the mistake of ripping off super rich people like the Waltons and the Amway people for a 100M each. That's what got her in trouble.
The problem it solves (or was meant to solve) is Tesla's crashing stock price. Elon himself said if they don't have FSD Tesla is worthless. This was a delaying tactic to hold off the wolves and he hopes time (and a boatload of GPUs from Nvdia) will find a solution to the hole he has dug for himself.
He should be innovating more. EVs need to get better. Sure the higher voltage and steer by wire is cool. Yet people want better performance. No fires. Actual cheaper maintence. More chargers. Axial flux motors. Of course more energy density. They didn't even showcase the Roadster that people spent money on. Gives us a coup without a steering wheel or door handles, and a 1950s shuttle. Things no one asked for.
Musk want you to run a fleet of Robotaxis - ie run a taxi company. Yeah, like everyone wants to run a taxi company. There is a reason why people who run taxi companies tend to be very hard-bitten types and often a bit shady too.
Also, they need wireless charging so they don't need someone to plug in the arm, but they need a robot arm to clean the Cyber Cab anyway, so the robot arm cannot plug in a plug.
Like a few crumbs is all that will have to be cleaned out of a taxi of any sort. Why don't the Uber, Lyft and taxi drivers enlighten us on the messes people routinely make in cars. When I drove a taxi, there was at least the ubiquitous college student who drank way too much and emptied the contents of his stomach in my cab. The fee our company charged for this, which I made sure to collect, incidentally, wasn't really enough for both the effort and the lost income. I highly doubt that college students have become more decorous in the ensuing decades. That is just the opening bid. There are people filthy enough that getting rid of the smell afterward will require disinfectant sprays and forced air fumigation, or the next fare will add to this by puking in the cab. In this case, I really didn't care anymore, and rolled all the windows down in 30 degree weather (Virginia winters are only so brutal). When Optimus or those robot arms are ready for this, I might begin to believe this.
Hear in the US, many of us have been calling him Leon. This is because Donald Trump mistakenly called him that from the stage, at one of his fascist rallies.
Think of it this way. The economics of mass transport with the comfort and standards that Americans expect. This is the only future for transportation in America given current infrastructure. No one else has a plan that could work to fix our broken transportation system.
Another interresting point Elon didn't talk about. Who's gonna decide for the fare price? I don't think it's gonna be the owner of the car. Tesla will have an app like Uber and they will take care of the hiring part, decide the fare price, and take their cut. In fact you will have to buy the car, take care of it and Tesla will make recurrent money. In fact, you will work for Tesla...
And with the personality of Elon Musk, if it is noticed you have critical opinions about him or Donald Trump he cancels your robot taxi account and you are locked out of the opportunity to make money on your car, I guarantee
The owners have to pay for insurance. It will be or become a stupid amount. Will the owners be liable if the robotaxi hurts or kills people? Will the insurance pay for it? Will Tesla be liable? I wonder if we will ever find out or if it’s vapor ware like many things before 🤷
Musk has basically put all his chips on FSD. His company has been riding on hype and exaggerated promises for years and investors are pretty much out of patience because he keeps under-delivering. Semi has been a failure, a new roadster is nowhere in sight, Cybertruck is well... Elonmobile, his pet project, just a niche monstrosity for insane people with money to burn... The cars Tesla is selling aren't that enticing anymore and competitors, especially chinese BYD can offer a similar quality for the lower price. I honestly think Musk understands that he can't compete anymore in automotive industry, that may have been one of the reasons why he so desperately continues to advertise Tesla as a tech company first and foremost. So Robotaxi, Optimus are just hype things to prove investors that they can deliver, which I highly doubt that they can... Something similar to this robotaxi has been promised for years by Tesla too... An affordable EV for the middle class. But it seems like it won't happen because unless it actively generates revenue for the use of it, the manufacturing of such a vehicle is unprofitable for Tesla. And that's a biggest red flag imo for this company, after all these years, they cannot offer you such a deal, no matter how much they have expanded, their manufacturing doesn't allow this, so they're forced to keep using hype of a future, creating problems and advertising a solution to it.
I have posted this same comment several times: "This is a solution to a problem that does not exist." There is no shortage of taxi services in the USA, and I am confident that is the case around most of the world. IMHO, this is about Tesla making more money. The product owners do not seem to care that Tesla will collect most of the transaction money. The vehicle will eventually become a moveable trash/stench bin, and the insurance company will say, "Show me the money!!!"
Ah the automotive world and bad ideas. An iconic duo. I'm still not quite clear why a circular knob is better than a stick on an automatic. Because I have to look to see where the knob is when I put it into reverse or drive.., but on a stick, I can feel without looking what position I am in. At least car makers have been backing away from touch-sensitive buttons on steering wheels. Wow was that stupid.
On thing that is mostly neglected: full self driving: can't communicate with other people on the road. Can't look & interpret other driver's behaviour. Can't remember another driver's behaviour. So, it's lacking quite important basic skills in driving. So, even if it would be flawless, it still would be a danger on the road, or create very weird situations, like the infamous honking robottaxi's in San Francisco that return to the parking lot. That's behaviour can easily be adjusted with a software update: no honking on the parking lot, but it shows the underlying problem: not being able to communicate, interact and communicate.
There are like 3 buttons and a screen in a model 3. What else is there to strip? Make it smaller? Smaller battery? Oh wait, it turns out they did strip down a model 3 with this taxi.
@@jiggig 2 seats are OK for most taxi rides, but did you miss the part where it is meant to be your personal car too? Your personal car by day, but working away as a taxi in the evening and night. The market for 2-seater personal cars is very small for good reasons.
Yeah, Elmo is the king of "inventing" things that aren't needed or already exist. The main pain point of hailing or hiring a car is the hail or hire, which ride-share apps have already solved nicely. Beyond that, nobody cares if the vehicle drives itself or not; I live in NYC, and have never complained or heard the complaint of the car being driven by a human. The money spent on these could be better used to build out existing public transport in the US. And as far as safer -- most livery rides are in dense, high traffic areas, where, frankly, bicycles are often going faster than cars. And busses and subway trains are very safe. When they crash, it's news.
Everyone seems to forget that we also use hearing when driving, and our sense of balance to get a feel of acceleration. We don't just use our eyes. So relying only on vision for driving is nonsense.
I have a Tesla, and they are so confident in the self driving and assisted cruise control that they've trained the internal camera to make sure your eyes stay on the road. If you go into cruise control then not look at the road enough it warns you to do so. I assume the problem they are trying to solve is paying someone to drive a taxi. If these robo taxis can earn so much money then wouldn't Tesla be better off keeping them all and making all that money for themselves.
Your Q about robotaxis was something I wondered also… $20k vehicle that generates a ton of passive income for owners…Also thought all Tesla models with FSD would have taxi capability. Nothing adds up…
So your at the stadium, the game has finished, so you make your way out and summons your Cyber Cab that you personally own. Because the car parks are gone, now parks, you wait for your cyber cab in a line of 10,000 Cyber Cabs. Genius.
This was my thought EXACTLY when he was presenting that train wreck. What a dumb use case to use for AV. Traffic would be SO much worse at a stadium in that scenario.
The key to understanding this is to understand that Phoney Stark, and many other wealthy individuals, are terrified to be near the dirty poors and assume everyone else is too. He will never take a train, or bus, and he explained why in an interview that isn't difficult to find: Because he regards his fellow passengers as potential murderers and criminals, and will not allow himself to be trapped in a box without means of escape. That is why his ideal forms of transport are all based on very low-occupancy vehicles - one person at a time, or at largest a small group of people who know and trust each other. Because America is a country heavily divided by social class, just as is every other society, and many people feel fear or disgust at the idea of being forced into proximity with those they regard as their natural inferiors.
I have a disability which means I have a lack of mobility and I am not allowed to drive. In the future if self-driving taxis significantly reduce the cost of regular taxis, which doesn't seem likely, or if people can own their own fully self-driving cars which do not require an alert driver it would be a game changer for people with disabilities. I'm not holding my breath that Elon Musk will be the one to make this happen.
@@BoiseLou that's been a really good reason for autonomous vehicles. My mum is 86 and can hardly see, so she's very dependant on family to get around. Like you say, I don't think Phony Stark will provide the solution
3:05 correction: if you're losing 40% energy then you don't need 40% more energy to charge it - you actually need 66% more. If your battery capacity is, say, 100Wh and you're losing 40% you are charging it to 60% (60Wh). In order to charge it to 100Wh you need to pump an equivalent of 166 (166 * 60% = 100).
@@comcarclub ah, I see, I was just listening to it without video. In that case, if you need 39% more energy for a full charge it means the losses are 28% (in my example - 100Wh with a 28% loss would be charged to 72Wh and in order to charge it to 100Wh you'd need an equivalent of 139 (139 * 72% = 100))
Thanks for your honest assessment. I am so tired of all the Tesla stock pumpers just acting like silly teenagers star struck by Musk‘s BS. Thanks for your good work
The problem it is supposed to solve is the world not being like the movie iRobot. The other problem it is supposed to solve is the share price for Tesla falling due to it being a car company and not AI.
It would seem no Full self driving will ever happen. Something to do with insurance. No manufacturer would take full responsibility. Would our regular auto insurance coverers sell you a policy to cover driverless cars? There's a lot more to it but that covers the bases
I was wondering about the insurance, too. How much would you have to pay to insure your “fleet” of cars that are out there doing their own thing with essentially *no oversight.* There’s no way any insurer would take on that level of liability unless you were paying exhorbitant rates.
You brought up his decision on only including optical sensors and onboard CPUs stealing your data to map out the world in lieu of cutting edge radar, lidar, ultrasonics etc etc. The largest point that our revolutionary messiah is lacking is that of the human brain, the result of millions of years of trial and error. An utter conman unlike any we've ever seen before, his rise to celebrity spells does not instill the confidence for our human species. Thank you for the video, from Cork Ireland.
Not everyone in the US is thrilled by Elon’s antics. His hard right political stance is costing him billions as Tesla has been losing it’s loyal customers, who are primarily progressives.
Yeah, I was a TSLA shareholder since 2020 until just before the event. Took advantage of those buying the rumor to sell my shares at a good profit. It’s become clear that the current approach to AI will not be able to reason like a human, just mimic things it’s already seen. Elon’s desperation is so palpable these days that I had to get out. Glad I did.
Even if the „magnetic part“ of the wireless charging would be free of any loss, you need an inverter to make the 100..200kw at 20kHz. Even these inverters are excellent at 97% efficiency, leaving 3…6kw heat at the parking lot. Times 100 for a small fleet of Cybercrap. If have this in the basement of your residential building, you don’t need heating in winter. But there’s not always winter.
To me all of these self driving vehicles try to put the cart before the horse. They aren’t going to solve issues that exist. The key to even attempting self driving cars is to start at the infrastructure and build for a self driving city. I think it’ll be necessary for the very road network to contribute to a hive of sorts, providing information for self driving vehicles. An entire rethinking of parking from the very ground up with legislation dictating where a vehicle can charge or park. They’re trying to build the crowning achievement, the vehicle itself, without setting up any of the infrastructure to actually accommodate it without just kicking the current problems down the road or onto someone else’s shoulders.
I wholeheartedly agree with all your points and regularly put forward similar arguments. Re your point about an integrated 'hive' road network, I wonder who would own and maintain the IT infrastructure this would require? Will local councils have their local systems that feed into a central government system? What if your local council can't afford it, can you then not have autonomous vehicles in your area? It's ridiculous to even consider. That's why I argue that level 5 automation (no licenced driver required, can drive absolutely anywhere in any conditions) will never, ever happen. The most you will ever get is level 4 which is fully autonomous vehicles only if certain conditions are met.
@@Reprint001 I think it would be a real tough sell but a hive road network complete with silly amounts of camera surveillance to identify risks and hazards the hive of vehicles can’t “see” would have to be a utility. Privacy and government surveillance concerns aside the costs would be high and should be. If a municipality or even state can’t afford the infrastructure it’s another reason not to do a self driving vehicle network. Perhaps in the future costs can be alleviated by way of some game changer technology like fusion, which I think is necessary just to power a fully self driving hive network with adequate charging capabilities. Which would also require a whole new power grid and some kind of as yet none existent transformer technology to move that fusion power around. The grid in America is old and struggles with current demands. If every car on the road were totally electric not only would is collapse the grid as it is now, all that carbon offset by electric cars would fall on power generation, just moving the problem instead of solving it. So even my own idea of building from the ground up isn’t comprehensive enough.
Excellent video critique. One of the thing that might not be know to many of your European viewers is that California Governor Gavin Newsom just signed into law an edict that all electric vehicles sold in the state, beginning in 2027, will be required to have bidirectional charging capability. This is so these cars can act as storage batteries for vehicle-to-grid (V2G) or vehicle-to-home (V2H) scenarios. Tesla has famously avoided bidirectional charging, with Musk stating as far back as 2015 that it would "damage the batteries." But in subsequent years Telsa began manufacturing many of their standard range Model 3s and Model Ys to run on lithium iron phosphate (LFP) cells, which is exactly the same chemistry found in solar battery storage installations. So, bidirectional charging shouldn't have any ill effect on these EVs: basically debunking an old Musk urban myth. So, for the Cybercab to be sold in California - and we all know that won't happen before 2027 - it's going to have to include some sort of cable charging interface. I don't know if there is such a thing as bidirectional induction charging. But if there is, it's certainly going to be more complex, more expensive and less efficient than what is being used now.
I’m convinced that Tesla only continues to exist in the way it does because so many people have such large amounts of their personal wealth invested in Tesla. I think this explains why they get so “hyped” whenever he does/says literally anything. Basically they don’t want to be the last fool holding the bag.
Inductive charging is even WORSE: 50% energy loss means DOUBLE (200%) the energy is required to charge. It's a simple inverse (due to shifting "base"). Thus at "only" 40% loss, it takes a THIRD more (166.6%) energy to charge. Any TINY advantage of a BEV over a hybrid or ICE just dissipates as quickly as all that heat energy. Leave it to Elmo to screw up the sole (and I do mean SOLE) possible "advantage" of an EV over other car types - keeping in mind it NEVER beats public transit or ebikes or bikes or jogging or walking...
Even if you are correct in your conclusion, don’t confuse the crappy wireless phone chargers with the ones that would be used for such power ranges. You wouldn’t be able to get rid of 100kw heat for each charger. They are better, but even if they come down to 5% (which is not much for an inverter+magnetic losses+rectifier), what’s the benefit over cable? 1% if the total charging time saved?
@@fromgermany271 Oh, look. Another Tesla stan shows up with bullshyte physics. Impossible to limit induction loss for the same reason Nikola Tesla's tower distribution idea was abject stupidity. Energy is radiated wildly and is not easily or cheaply focused; Even when it can be, there is still massive heat loss in the coils on both sides. There's a reason induction is used for heating pots and pans. That's all it's good for. Losses increase at least proportionally, and probably logarithmically, with size so bare minimum losses are at least 50%. We are being kind with that number and extraordinarily generous with 40% loss. Go turn on Full-Self-Crashing and point your T-Slow at a brick wall, Stan.
I used to be a Musk fan, and assumed he was a clever progressive leader, but when I saw him cosying-up to Rupert Murdoch, I realised things were going wrong. Then came Trump - one of the worst people on Earth! I feel sorry for the amazing people at Tesla (who do all the work) having to obey this jumped-up computer games nerd who takes credit for all their ideas. Hopefully he'll have to sell all his Tesla shares to save Twitter, and someone decent can take the reins.
The reason he left so many questions unanswered. Like why 2 seats, few details of the robovan aka rubblebin etc. Is he has no real plan is, it's a fake until you make it tactic. The more unknowns, the more his zombie fans will continue to adore him, and buy him time for a hail Mary solution. But time is running out on his showmanship get out of jail punch card and eventually he will have to put up or face the music. I'm American and he is not admired by the majority the opposite is true.
@@Roger_Smith very much appreciated 👍. I am trying to branch out and make content with more general appeal. We'll see how it goes because I think I suck at this, so thanks for the kind words
well said - very well said ... also - previously - one of the incentives to buy a robotaxi was that it WOULD BE CONNECTED TO electrical network and serve as a Network batery that would charge on cheap price and sell to network (discharge batery) on more expensive price ... so owning a car or a fleet would mean you have an online batery that speculates on network electricity price and makes you money... thats off now with inductive charging...
You could do that, yes. But it has business problems. Firstly, the grid operators would hate the idea. Someone /else/ profiting, at their expense? No, not something they'd allow. And they are in a good place to prevent it because they can do the same thing themselves at a much larger scale. No need to buy cars, they can bulk-buy batteries at a fraction of the price and they have the engineering knowledge to connect megawatts of charge and discharge capacity to the grid.
Because all the taxi drivers of the world can rejoice in the streets now that their lives have been unburdened by employment, allowing them to finally write that book from their tent at the homeless camp. Seriously though, since he’s purposely failed us with the Hyperloop he has no other option then to sell us expensive individual vehicles and keep making Billioms for himself. Remember, completely failing to start a Mars colony will be expensive!
- Great point about the potential waste of inductive charging. Interesting to see if they address that. - It seems pretty obvious the thing they're trying to "solve" is how to offer CHEAPER taxi service and make significant money doing it. - Regarding the $.20 cost - the assumption has been that owners of Tesla cars apparently including Robotaxi could choose to register their vehicles on a future Tesla ride-hailing network and get paid 70% of the fair or so. The price to ride is understood to be set by Tesla & there's been mention Tesla may disallow 3rd parties from using FSD to compete against the Tesla network. - Regarding use of robotaxi for improper actions - there is an in-cabin camera watching you at all times. Just saying... Who knows if or when Tesla will achieve any of these things. As everyone including Elon have noted many times, no one should count on Elon's timelines being accurate. However, in the long run, I wouldn't bet against the guy whose other company just landed the world's largest rocket on two chopsticks and whose other company just enabled my six-year-old car to suddenly be capable of driving me around town with often (but not yet 100%) zero interventions and without touching pedals or steering wheel. Will he be on time? Probably NOT. Waymo and others are obviously ahead on polished (enough) autonomy in very narrow, geo-fenced areas but since their solutions don't scale well at all, financially nor technologically, I think Tesla's likely to be first to make actual profit on autonomy and be available at larger scale even if it takes several years longer than Elon would hope.
I love the idea that because it will not park, cities will be empty of cars. What If the robotaxi could work? Well, I took Waymo, it was fine. However, to put a microphone on a robot, tele operated and then say that was incredible human interaction? such a slimy move even by Elon Captain Fraud standards
Wrote : _"because it will not park, cities will be empty of cars"_ Taxis _are_ cars. They have also been around for a couple of centuries and they have not emptied cities of cars yet. Central London for example is full of taxis and buses last time I was there, in addition to private cars. Robotaxis will _add_ empty ones making transitions.
@@vylbird8014 these vehicles cause traffic jams. This is why many big cities have trains and subways. That really gets rid of traffic. Having a bunch of autonomous vehicles stuck in traffic is not a solution for anything.
My god this is an awesome video. You blast straight through musks vapourware. Thank you so much for your legendary commentary on the event. Tesla stock is ridiculously overpriced. I really want to see it get into its rightful place.
For wireless charging, A big resonant coil will be way more efficient than a phone charging coil. it will be at around 90% efficiency. I just do hope that Elon asked to correct questions and correct insights before having this designed.
Hi there. Thanks very much for the comment. Can you point me in the direction of something that explains these big resonant coils better? Not that I'm too lazy to Google it, but if you are already aware of a reliable source instead of me wading through useless results, that would be great
Inductive charging operates on the distance squared Double the distance, quadruple charging power (similar to lumens with light intensity). Further you introduce inneficiency with transformers needed at both ends. (Don't look like a transformer, more like the windings of a motor) Even at 98% efficiency there is an extra 4% loss on top of the distance from the charging point. Bear in mind this cannot abutt with the induction point as even an induction cooker works. Even though this almost touches it still more than doubles the required power so l would think the car would at least do this...
Rimac has also a robotaxi concept (the verne, really love the design). And they have cameras on the inside, so if you dirty/ruin the interior, they are going to charge you. That seems like an approach to solve that problem. Pretty much the same in a hotel. They check the room after you left and if you damaged it, they will charge you.
@@neodym5809 Public transport in Europe has cameras against vanalism. Don't think that is an issue, espeically since you have to agree to terms and services. I would have to re-watch the video but you would need to have the cameras well visible.
@@gloofisearch Yep, people also trash hotel rooms (trains, trams and probably even taxis). But with the cameras you have proof and because you need an app to book it, they have all your contact info, so they will simply charge you. And as a concept that is more viable than a robot that cleans the interior.
Robotaxi is confusing to me because it takes away the ability to be in a hurry when you are in a hurry. Sounds awesome on paper, sounds horribly stressful in real life
The thing about the price per mile is that Tesla are likely to be the ones setting it. The cars will be running off the Tesla system so it seems to me that Tesla will own the booking app. Looks like a Tesla Taxi franchise to me.
You buy the car, you pay Tesla to repair the car, you pay to clean the car, you pay to charge the car... and Tesla gets a percentage on the fees THEY think are competitive. You pay, Tesla gets the money.
Elmo (love it) may just be getting started. With a few slights of hand he can combine the taxi with in road induction systems so it will charge WHILE driving and the road will also have solar panels in them.. oh man, where will it end? A Dyson sphere?
Let's see. Musk originally told us that he wanted a $25,000 vehicle. Now he's backed out on that. Another broken promise. The tunnel in Vegas was supposed to have automatic cars. It has to use Tesla's with drivers. He promises a low price to get interested but reality is often different. A two seater taxi. What could go wrong with that? Induction coils? Really?
@2 seats. I'm actually in favor of this. Most taxi rides are 2 or less people, so it makes no sense to have 4+seats (no one says all of them need to be 2-seater). However, that only makes sense to me, if the vehicle is significantly smaller.
@@John-fz3ij A taxi fleet shoud not and probably will not be consisting of one type of vehicle. Besides, children also need a special seat, so they can't just get into any cab. Besides, they need to change so many regulations to make these legal, changing the law concerning where children are allowed to seat seems like a relatively small obstacle.
This video is my exact thoughts expressed. I literally think the exact same thing. I am also banned from a few Tesla stock pumper UA-cam channels. But common sense and objectivity are no longer popular. Hyperbolic agenda driven content is king. Pump pump pump.
these robothings would need maintenance, high-paid technicians, constant charging, tickets when breaking road laws, updates, updates that make the 'old' robothings obsolete junk, and I wonder if Musk could fight off the urge to shut them down remotely when it suits him?
There will be buses and vans for those occasions where larger groups are being transported to the same location, but most of the people will want the privacy, safety of riding with people they know. An inexpensive Robotaxi system will allow the poor and underserved communities to enjoy the same privacy, security, and safety as all of the people driving around today in big cars with only one passenger. The problem with most mass transit systems is that they are relegated to the poor. More affluent people won’t use it. The Robotaxi system will democratize and demonetize transportation the same way the smartphone globally democratized and demonetized communications and access to information and technology.
Tesla owner here. Love the cars not Elon but I think you should be evaluating the potential of these innovations. What will we see after another 10 years of innovation of FSD? Without Elon no other car manufacturers were attempting this. Steve Jobs challenged the status quo and made many enemies along the way. I see Elon in a similar light.
Elons over promising under delivering is very problematic. Steve jobs delivered. Budget Tesla model 2 should’ve been coming out the factory by now but he produced the cyber truck instead.
Couldn't believe when you mentioned drug use and sex. I literally made those two points back to back in the same delivery style as yours to my brother last week. Robotaxis make zero sense. Like zero. Not exaggerating Imagine the traffic when people instead of renting office space rent a Robo taxi for the day and program it to drive around town probably in an intentionally trafficy route (to pay more for time than distance) while they work away on their laptops and make their phone calls. 8 hours of a car clogging up the streets aimlessly versus that car not being on the road and that individual working in a tower office somewhere. Now multiply that by whatever factor x . RIP people who actually need to get somewhere legitimate in time. During lunch time you can program the car to swing by your mistress' place of work she jumps in for a quickie and then dropped off. No need for a one hour motel. And if the cost is low the economics of being a robotaxi owner are just not worthwhile at all.
I agree. That "bus" is the worst designed vehicle I've ever seen: I live wayyyyyyyyy outttttttttt in the country and the FIRST pothole on the dirt roads here would bog down the vehicle immediately. Plus, who is supposed to buy these Robotaxis? Ordinary people? There's a reason why there are "CAB COMPANIES"; The companies buy-say- ten cars and of course pay for the normal upkeep of all ten cars. PLUS gas, plus replacement parts, plus other expenses for all ten cars. These Robotaxis? Who is supposed to buy them? The average family is supposed to buy several two seater cars for their personal use? Why? Why pay for four two seater cars when ONE five seater car is one half of the total price of the four cars? PLUS the maintenance of FOUR electric cars is much higher than ONE standard gas/ diesel car. Especially when the batteries on the Robotaxis have to be changed out: Which with the Tesla is more than the price of the original car. OR are they supposed to buy five of them, and send them out to make money for the family via the taxi fees? WITHOUT considering that this act would require state and federal licensing fees, getting certified as a taxi company, AND sending them off unsupervised by anything.or anyone?... And trusting that it won't be firebombed OR filled with garbage OR having drunks vomiting inside the car? Or not coming back at all? But all this is unimportant anyway; As musk will never market these two "Vehicles" to begin with. Like ... List all locations where the "Hyperloop" is being built ... How many of his "sports cars" are on the roads today? How many of his electric trucks are hauling loads on the highways right now? And how well are his stainless steel cars selling right now? This Robotaxi.and deathtrap bus are the same as the rest.
Self driving has a problem. Every mechanical, electrical, electeonics and mechatronic devices fail, malfunction and at best needs to be reset every now amd than. Now imagine a self driving vehicle. It will be like winning a lottery everytime you get into one.
I do think it's worth noting as much as I think this idea is going nowhere, if it actually took off, in theory a robotaxi would be driving many different passengers while a private zero emissions vehicle would be driving just one, now if we wanted to make the argument regarding a fleet of regular EV taxis as the comparison (which would in theory be more expensive to staff in an ethical way *if* the robotaxis became autonumous enough to not require any human intervention at all) then we are on the same page, but it is an objective truth that a taxi is more efficient use of resources than everyone who might just take taxis and buses buying a car, including EVs.
Elon said that a bus costs $1 a mile to run, while his robotaxi will cost $0.2 per mile. Obviously these numbers were pulled out of his ass. However, let's assume for a moment that they are correct. Robotaxi can carry 2 people. That is 10 cents per mile per person. A bus can carry 60 people. That's 0.166 cents per mile per person. Even if the numbers Elon pulled out of his ass to make himself look good are correct then the bus is still 6x more cost efficient per mile than his toy car.
Well I love my model 3 performance. Saves me 400/month In fuel. Faster acceleration than 99.9% of other cars on the road. And it drives me to work every morning... you guys sound like you have never driven or ridden in one.... go test drive one then come back and comment
@@bobbobbinson1841 I have driven Teslas, my first experience was a Model S P90D, and I loved it. It was fast, comfortable, quiet and practical. But at the time it was about 100k euro (I bought a house for less than that, and even factoring in the renovation work, it'll still be cheaper) and I had no way of making it work everyday because I'd have nowhere to charge it. Besides, what does this have to do with the robotaxi?
As Robotaxis become ubiquitous and as the monthly subscription cost drops to $0.50 per mile or less, people will stop buying cars and use the Robotaxi service exclusively. This will dramatically eliminate the number of cars manufactured each year reducing the mining for all of the raw materials needed to build 5x more cars, while providing a safer, more efficient, cheaper, faster transportation system.
2 quick things. Good job not hitting lit up bicyclists.. what if they had less lighting? Haven't heard any mention of that car cleaning robot.. are they actually a thing and I'm really old? If not, they sure make the taxi setup look so much more luxurious. When your car returns from a night of carousing people around, it parks on a charging pad and a robot detailer sweeps & vacuums up any leftover evidence. No shit, just thought about what if your taxi is involved in a crime? Huh, 3 quick things
Honestly thought it was a weird move to remove the sensors from the car i feel much saver if the car sees more than i do when its driving with autopilot Still i don't trust it on european city streets. But i like the car (model 3) its fast its affordable second hand and its fun to drive
FSD if taken literally means zero interventions per year. An intervention is an Orwellian term for failure and accident. Your insurance company and dmv allow you zero per year. To relate it to reality, when you encounter a driving situation you can't handle an intervention would be an angel reaching down and taking control. Current FSD is lucky to go 30 minutes without an intervention unless it's on a long highway drive. If you listened carefully musk admitted there would be remote operators to takeover when the intervention signal is sent. But they run maybe 4 or 5 cars per remote operator. Waymo hides that they do this but it's the only way to get around failures. Just like remote operatirs were running the optimus bots.
I feel like if we have self driving cars, surely you could make them park in a very standardised way that would allow them to use some sort of automated plugging system instead of using inductive charging. Or you just hire a guy that plugs the cars in as they come in and unplugs them once they are ready. Or have your totally not fake robot do it...
You think Elizabeth Holmes is watching from prison like “oh come on!”
She will regret not having used the promise "by the end of next year" every single year again.
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Elizabeth Holmes made the mistake of ripping off super rich people like the Waltons and the Amway people for a 100M each. That's what got her in trouble.
@@lashlarue59 and promising something she couldn't partially deliver on while finding constant excuses for the promised results being delayed.
@@lashlarue59 elon ripped rich people with twitter. P Diddy for sure got ripped 😂
The problem it solves (or was meant to solve) is Tesla's crashing stock price. Elon himself said if they don't have FSD Tesla is worthless. This was a delaying tactic to hold off the wolves and he hopes time (and a boatload of GPUs from Nvdia) will find a solution to the hole he has dug for himself.
Well said.
Ding ding! Correct answer ☝
Stock price: -9%
Elmo: I don't understand it worked before...
He should be innovating more. EVs need to get better. Sure the higher voltage and steer by wire is cool.
Yet people want better performance. No fires. Actual cheaper maintence. More chargers. Axial flux motors.
Of course more energy density.
They didn't even showcase the Roadster that people spent money on.
Gives us a coup without a steering wheel or door handles, and a 1950s shuttle. Things no one asked for.
@@comcarclubit probably did work. It would be a whole lot worse if it didn’t.
Musk want you to run a fleet of Robotaxis - ie run a taxi company. Yeah, like everyone wants to run a taxi company. There is a reason why people who run taxi companies tend to be very hard-bitten types and often a bit shady too.
Funny how the Cyber Cab is cleaned by a robot arm. I thought Optimus could do everything humans can, except clean Cyber Cabs.
I was just thinking that 💀
Also, they need wireless charging so they don't need someone to plug in the arm, but they need a robot arm to clean the Cyber Cab anyway, so the robot arm cannot plug in a plug.
Like a few crumbs is all that will have to be cleaned out of a taxi of any sort. Why don't the Uber, Lyft and taxi drivers enlighten us on the messes people routinely make in cars. When I drove a taxi, there was at least the ubiquitous college student who drank way too much and emptied the contents of his stomach in my cab. The fee our company charged for this, which I made sure to collect, incidentally, wasn't really enough for both the effort and the lost income. I highly doubt that college students have become more decorous in the ensuing decades.
That is just the opening bid. There are people filthy enough that getting rid of the smell afterward will require disinfectant sprays and forced air fumigation, or the next fare will add to this by puking in the cab. In this case, I really didn't care anymore, and rolled all the windows down in 30 degree weather (Virginia winters are only so brutal). When Optimus or those robot arms are ready for this, I might begin to believe this.
Elon Stans will cheer for anything, because the future is "cool".
They are just rubbing their hands together thinking about those sex robots. They don't realize that they will arrive with Musk's head on them.
Why do you call him Elmo? That’s insulting to Elmo, Elon is enough of a joke his name should be a worse insult
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Hear in the US, many of us have been calling him Leon. This is because Donald Trump mistakenly called him that from the stage, at one of his fascist rallies.
Enron muskanon
My sincere apologies to Elmo, he at least educates kids, instead of siring them, ignoring them and then them hating him
Yeah, we love Elmo.
He invented the bus and the taxi.....what don't you understand....erm...oh...wait a minute......😂😂😂😂😂
Think of it this way. The economics of mass transport with the comfort and standards that Americans expect. This is the only future for transportation in America given current infrastructure. No one else has a plan that could work to fix our broken transportation system.
I still refuse to accept that self-driving has any use whatsoever. Even cruise control requires constant supervision.
Another interresting point Elon didn't talk about.
Who's gonna decide for the fare price? I don't think it's gonna be the owner of the car.
Tesla will have an app like Uber and they will take care of the hiring part, decide the fare price, and take their cut.
In fact you will have to buy the car, take care of it and Tesla will make recurrent money. In fact, you will work for Tesla...
And with the personality of Elon Musk, if it is noticed you have critical opinions about him or Donald Trump he cancels your robot taxi account and you are locked out of the opportunity to make money on your car, I guarantee
And I’m sure whatever terms of service that you sign will include the ability for Tesla to modify them at any time for whatever reason.
Congratulations on your fleet, new owenr of a posittion as manager of taxis for Tesla. It's like a job, but without benefits or legal protections!
The owners have to pay for insurance. It will be or become a stupid amount. Will the owners be liable if the robotaxi hurts or kills people? Will the insurance pay for it? Will Tesla be liable?
I wonder if we will ever find out or if it’s vapor ware like many things before 🤷
I really going to vote Kamala Harris as middle finger to Elon who Trump biggest lap dog
Very good assessment of Musk's BS. Apologies from America for the demented portion of our population.
The space you need on the side and above the cars when the doors are open is ridiculous.
Musk has basically put all his chips on FSD. His company has been riding on hype and exaggerated promises for years and investors are pretty much out of patience because he keeps under-delivering. Semi has been a failure, a new roadster is nowhere in sight, Cybertruck is well... Elonmobile, his pet project, just a niche monstrosity for insane people with money to burn...
The cars Tesla is selling aren't that enticing anymore and competitors, especially chinese BYD can offer a similar quality for the lower price. I honestly think Musk understands that he can't compete anymore in automotive industry, that may have been one of the reasons why he so desperately continues to advertise Tesla as a tech company first and foremost. So Robotaxi, Optimus are just hype things to prove investors that they can deliver, which I highly doubt that they can...
Something similar to this robotaxi has been promised for years by Tesla too... An affordable EV for the middle class. But it seems like it won't happen because unless it actively generates revenue for the use of it, the manufacturing of such a vehicle is unprofitable for Tesla. And that's a biggest red flag imo for this company, after all these years, they cannot offer you such a deal, no matter how much they have expanded, their manufacturing doesn't allow this, so they're forced to keep using hype of a future, creating problems and advertising a solution to it.
@@Sizifus also, we”re headed for a world where fewer and fewer people own their own cars. and this is a good thing in my opinion.
I have posted this same comment several times: "This is a solution to a problem that does not exist." There is no shortage of taxi services in the USA, and I am confident that is the case around most of the world.
IMHO, this is about Tesla making more money. The product owners do not seem to care that Tesla will collect most of the transaction money. The vehicle will eventually become a moveable trash/stench bin, and the insurance company will say, "Show me the money!!!"
Ah the automotive world and bad ideas. An iconic duo. I'm still not quite clear why a circular knob is better than a stick on an automatic. Because I have to look to see where the knob is when I put it into reverse or drive.., but on a stick, I can feel without looking what position I am in. At least car makers have been backing away from touch-sensitive buttons on steering wheels. Wow was that stupid.
@@tambarskelfir modern UI in cars has been on my nerves for years. It really makes me glad to prefer old cars
On thing that is mostly neglected: full self driving: can't communicate with other people on the road. Can't look & interpret other driver's behaviour. Can't remember another driver's behaviour. So, it's lacking quite important basic skills in driving. So, even if it would be flawless, it still would be a danger on the road, or create very weird situations, like the infamous honking robottaxi's in San Francisco that return to the parking lot. That's behaviour can easily be adjusted with a software update: no honking on the parking lot, but it shows the underlying problem: not being able to communicate, interact and communicate.
Common sense would be to simply strip down a model 3 and use that. What sane person would try to sell you a 2 seater as a Taxi
@@OskarHartmannsson 100% agree. You'd think someone as smart as Musk wishes he was would realise that
There are like 3 buttons and a screen in a model 3. What else is there to strip? Make it smaller? Smaller battery? Oh wait, it turns out they did strip down a model 3 with this taxi.
Common sens, Elmo? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!! I agree with you!
90% of taxi rides have 1 or 2 people. What sane person would start by focusing on the 10%?
@@jiggig 2 seats are OK for most taxi rides, but did you miss the part where it is meant to be your personal car too? Your personal car by day, but working away as a taxi in the evening and night. The market for 2-seater personal cars is very small for good reasons.
Yeah, Elmo is the king of "inventing" things that aren't needed or already exist. The main pain point of hailing or hiring a car is the hail or hire, which ride-share apps have already solved nicely. Beyond that, nobody cares if the vehicle drives itself or not; I live in NYC, and have never complained or heard the complaint of the car being driven by a human. The money spent on these could be better used to build out existing public transport in the US. And as far as safer -- most livery rides are in dense, high traffic areas, where, frankly, bicycles are often going faster than cars. And busses and subway trains are very safe. When they crash, it's news.
Everyone seems to forget that we also use hearing when driving, and our sense of balance to get a feel of acceleration. We don't just use our eyes. So relying only on vision for driving is nonsense.
Exactly. Cameras are inferior to the combined human senses and brain capability. Why fixate on them when there is established tech that is superior?
Can people see 360 degrees in any direction? This is such a nitpick. In the future it will be nonsensical that people ever operated cars.
@@tjayythedon3270 Yes, we can move our head and we have mirrors. Do you have any more stupid questions?
@@tjayythedon3270 well, that’s the thing. A Tesla can’t, either. Dirt on the camera, darkness…
Trying to figure out what musk means is kind of like trying to figure out what Trump means. Eventually, you just give up.
I have a Tesla, and they are so confident in the self driving and assisted cruise control that they've trained the internal camera to make sure your eyes stay on the road. If you go into cruise control then not look at the road enough it warns you to do so. I assume the problem they are trying to solve is paying someone to drive a taxi. If these robo taxis can earn so much money then wouldn't Tesla be better off keeping them all and making all that money for themselves.
FSD is good but vision only is good not enough for all scenarios.
Your Q about robotaxis was something I wondered also… $20k vehicle that generates a ton of passive income for owners…Also thought all Tesla models with FSD would have taxi capability. Nothing adds up…
So your at the stadium, the game has finished, so you make your way out and summons your Cyber Cab that you personally own. Because the car parks are gone, now parks, you wait for your cyber cab in a line of 10,000 Cyber Cabs. Genius.
If there only would be something like an underground train......;-)
This was my thought EXACTLY when he was presenting that train wreck. What a dumb use case to use for AV. Traffic would be SO much worse at a stadium in that scenario.
Hey, maybe I want to get on a small bus that couldn't make it over a pothole.
At least people inside will not see this pothole or the next turn coming. Gives the ride some special thrill.
Self driving cars will increase traffic congestion because there is no inconvenience in sending the car on an errand in rush hour.
The key to understanding this is to understand that Phoney Stark, and many other wealthy individuals, are terrified to be near the dirty poors and assume everyone else is too. He will never take a train, or bus, and he explained why in an interview that isn't difficult to find: Because he regards his fellow passengers as potential murderers and criminals, and will not allow himself to be trapped in a box without means of escape. That is why his ideal forms of transport are all based on very low-occupancy vehicles - one person at a time, or at largest a small group of people who know and trust each other. Because America is a country heavily divided by social class, just as is every other society, and many people feel fear or disgust at the idea of being forced into proximity with those they regard as their natural inferiors.
All good points. Thanks.
This reminds me, Robotaxis are useless if you have a child who's 8 or less, as it has no back seat.
Or if you have two children under eight. You’ll need two robotaxis and one child has to travel alone and unsupervised.
The real problem is people manipulating the markets for financial gain; now who could be doing that?
I have a disability which means I have a lack of mobility and I am not allowed to drive. In the future if self-driving taxis significantly reduce the cost of regular taxis, which doesn't seem likely, or if people can own their own fully self-driving cars which do not require an alert driver it would be a game changer for people with disabilities. I'm not holding my breath that Elon Musk will be the one to make this happen.
@@BoiseLou that's been a really good reason for autonomous vehicles. My mum is 86 and can hardly see, so she's very dependant on family to get around. Like you say, I don't think Phony Stark will provide the solution
3:05 correction: if you're losing 40% energy then you don't need 40% more energy to charge it - you actually need 66% more. If your battery capacity is, say, 100Wh and you're losing 40% you are charging it to 60% (60Wh). In order to charge it to 100Wh you need to pump an equivalent of 166 (166 * 60% = 100).
@@JanMichalSzulew hey I'm just quoting what I showed at 2:48 (with an extra 1%)
@@comcarclub ah, I see, I was just listening to it without video. In that case, if you need 39% more energy for a full charge it means the losses are 28% (in my example - 100Wh with a 28% loss would be charged to 72Wh and in order to charge it to 100Wh you'd need an equivalent of 139 (139 * 72% = 100))
Thanks for your honest assessment. I am so tired of all the Tesla stock pumpers just acting like silly teenagers star struck by Musk‘s BS.
Thanks for your good work
The problem it is supposed to solve is the world not being like the movie iRobot. The other problem it is supposed to solve is the share price for Tesla falling due to it being a car company and not AI.
It would seem no Full self driving will ever happen. Something to do with insurance. No manufacturer would take full responsibility. Would our regular auto insurance coverers sell you a policy to cover driverless cars? There's a lot more to it but that covers the bases
I was wondering about the insurance, too. How much would you have to pay to insure your “fleet” of cars that are out there doing their own thing with essentially *no oversight.* There’s no way any insurer would take on that level of liability unless you were paying exhorbitant rates.
You brought up his decision on only including optical sensors and onboard CPUs stealing your data to map out the world in lieu of cutting edge radar, lidar, ultrasonics etc etc. The largest point that our revolutionary messiah is lacking is that of the human brain, the result of millions of years of trial and error.
An utter conman unlike any we've ever seen before, his rise to celebrity spells does not instill the confidence for our human species.
Thank you for the video, from Cork Ireland.
Not everyone in the US is thrilled by Elon’s antics. His hard right political stance is costing him billions as Tesla has been losing it’s loyal customers, who are primarily progressives.
11:25 here i live we have often low sun also, typically spring and autumn, the "FSD" will definitely struggle then also
Yeah, I was a TSLA shareholder since 2020 until just before the event. Took advantage of those buying the rumor to sell my shares at a good profit. It’s become clear that the current approach to AI will not be able to reason like a human, just mimic things it’s already seen. Elon’s desperation is so palpable these days that I had to get out. Glad I did.
Even if the „magnetic part“ of the wireless charging would be free of any loss, you need an inverter to make the 100..200kw at 20kHz. Even these inverters are excellent at 97% efficiency, leaving 3…6kw heat at the parking lot. Times 100 for a small fleet of Cybercrap. If have this in the basement of your residential building, you don’t need heating in winter. But there’s not always winter.
To me all of these self driving vehicles try to put the cart before the horse. They aren’t going to solve issues that exist. The key to even attempting self driving cars is to start at the infrastructure and build for a self driving city. I think it’ll be necessary for the very road network to contribute to a hive of sorts, providing information for self driving vehicles. An entire rethinking of parking from the very ground up with legislation dictating where a vehicle can charge or park. They’re trying to build the crowning achievement, the vehicle itself, without setting up any of the infrastructure to actually accommodate it without just kicking the current problems down the road or onto someone else’s shoulders.
I wholeheartedly agree with all your points and regularly put forward similar arguments. Re your point about an integrated 'hive' road network, I wonder who would own and maintain the IT infrastructure this would require? Will local councils have their local systems that feed into a central government system? What if your local council can't afford it, can you then not have autonomous vehicles in your area? It's ridiculous to even consider. That's why I argue that level 5 automation (no licenced driver required, can drive absolutely anywhere in any conditions) will never, ever happen. The most you will ever get is level 4 which is fully autonomous vehicles only if certain conditions are met.
@@Reprint001 I think it would be a real tough sell but a hive road network complete with silly amounts of camera surveillance to identify risks and hazards the hive of vehicles can’t “see” would have to be a utility. Privacy and government surveillance concerns aside the costs would be high and should be. If a municipality or even state can’t afford the infrastructure it’s another reason not to do a self driving vehicle network. Perhaps in the future costs can be alleviated by way of some game changer technology like fusion, which I think is necessary just to power a fully self driving hive network with adequate charging capabilities. Which would also require a whole new power grid and some kind of as yet none existent transformer technology to move that fusion power around. The grid in America is old and struggles with current demands. If every car on the road were totally electric not only would is collapse the grid as it is now, all that carbon offset by electric cars would fall on power generation, just moving the problem instead of solving it. So even my own idea of building from the ground up isn’t comprehensive enough.
Excellent video critique. One of the thing that might not be know to many of your European viewers is that California Governor Gavin Newsom just signed into law an edict that all electric vehicles sold in the state, beginning in 2027, will be required to have bidirectional charging capability. This is so these cars can act as storage batteries for vehicle-to-grid (V2G) or vehicle-to-home (V2H) scenarios. Tesla has famously avoided bidirectional charging, with Musk stating as far back as 2015 that it would "damage the batteries." But in subsequent years Telsa began manufacturing many of their standard range Model 3s and Model Ys to run on lithium iron phosphate (LFP) cells, which is exactly the same chemistry found in solar battery storage installations. So, bidirectional charging shouldn't have any ill effect on these EVs: basically debunking an old Musk urban myth.
So, for the Cybercab to be sold in California - and we all know that won't happen before 2027 - it's going to have to include some sort of cable charging interface. I don't know if there is such a thing as bidirectional induction charging. But if there is, it's certainly going to be more complex, more expensive and less efficient than what is being used now.
Very interesting, thanks!!!
I’m convinced that Tesla only continues to exist in the way it does because so many people have such large amounts of their personal wealth invested in Tesla. I think this explains why they get so “hyped” whenever he does/says literally anything. Basically they don’t want to be the last fool holding the bag.
Inductive charging is even WORSE: 50% energy loss means DOUBLE (200%) the energy is required to charge. It's a simple inverse (due to shifting "base"). Thus at "only" 40% loss, it takes a THIRD more (166.6%) energy to charge. Any TINY advantage of a BEV over a hybrid or ICE just dissipates as quickly as all that heat energy. Leave it to Elmo to screw up the sole (and I do mean SOLE) possible "advantage" of an EV over other car types - keeping in mind it NEVER beats public transit or ebikes or bikes or jogging or walking...
Even if you are correct in your conclusion, don’t confuse the crappy wireless phone chargers with the ones that would be used for such power ranges. You wouldn’t be able to get rid of 100kw heat for each charger. They are better, but even if they come down to 5% (which is not much for an inverter+magnetic losses+rectifier), what’s the benefit over cable? 1% if the total charging time saved?
@@fromgermany271 Oh, look. Another Tesla stan shows up with bullshyte physics. Impossible to limit induction loss for the same reason Nikola Tesla's tower distribution idea was abject stupidity. Energy is radiated wildly and is not easily or cheaply focused; Even when it can be, there is still massive heat loss in the coils on both sides. There's a reason induction is used for heating pots and pans. That's all it's good for.
Losses increase at least proportionally, and probably logarithmically, with size so bare minimum losses are at least 50%. We are being kind with that number and extraordinarily generous with 40% loss. Go turn on Full-Self-Crashing and point your T-Slow at a brick wall, Stan.
And you just know tesla is going to add a huge subscription fee to keep the AI running.
Tesla= Theranos!!
You also forgot about people who are caught short. Call a Robotaxi and your toilet comes to you.
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What if they add an attendant to each robotaxi?
I used to be a Musk fan, and assumed he was a clever progressive leader, but when I saw him cosying-up to Rupert Murdoch, I realised things were going wrong. Then came Trump - one of the worst people on Earth! I feel sorry for the amazing people at Tesla (who do all the work) having to obey this jumped-up computer games nerd who takes credit for all their ideas. Hopefully he'll have to sell all his Tesla shares to save Twitter, and someone decent can take the reins.
15:25 happened to me. how pathetic are those
The reason he left so many questions unanswered. Like why 2 seats, few details of the robovan aka rubblebin etc. Is he has no real plan is, it's a fake until you make it tactic. The more unknowns, the more his zombie fans will continue to adore him, and buy him time for a hail Mary solution. But time is running out on his showmanship get out of jail punch card and eventually he will have to put up or face the music. I'm American and he is not admired by the majority the opposite is true.
Great video great breakdown
Your regular content is a bit too niche for my interest but I do like your communication style
@@Roger_Smith very much appreciated 👍. I am trying to branch out and make content with more general appeal. We'll see how it goes because I think I suck at this, so thanks for the kind words
well said - very well said ... also - previously - one of the incentives to buy a robotaxi was that it WOULD BE CONNECTED TO electrical network and serve as a Network batery that would charge on cheap price and sell to network (discharge batery) on more expensive price ... so owning a car or a fleet would mean you have an online batery that speculates on network electricity price and makes you money... thats off now with inductive charging...
You could do that, yes. But it has business problems. Firstly, the grid operators would hate the idea. Someone /else/ profiting, at their expense? No, not something they'd allow. And they are in a good place to prevent it because they can do the same thing themselves at a much larger scale. No need to buy cars, they can bulk-buy batteries at a fraction of the price and they have the engineering knowledge to connect megawatts of charge and discharge capacity to the grid.
Because all the taxi drivers of the world can rejoice in the streets now that their lives have been unburdened by employment, allowing them to finally write that book from their tent at the homeless camp. Seriously though, since he’s purposely failed us with the Hyperloop he has no other option then to sell us expensive individual vehicles and keep making Billioms for himself. Remember, completely failing to start a Mars colony will be expensive!
LOL! Jokes about Elmo practically write themselves!
He'll propose a flying wheelchair before ever admitting that more cars don't solve traffic, better public transportations do.
No wheel no pedals so can't go on the road...win
I'm furious Elon didn't introduce electric flying rocket cars! 😠
- Great point about the potential waste of inductive charging. Interesting to see if they address that.
- It seems pretty obvious the thing they're trying to "solve" is how to offer CHEAPER taxi service and make significant money doing it.
- Regarding the $.20 cost - the assumption has been that owners of Tesla cars apparently including Robotaxi could choose to register their vehicles on a future Tesla ride-hailing network and get paid 70% of the fair or so. The price to ride is understood to be set by Tesla & there's been mention Tesla may disallow 3rd parties from using FSD to compete against the Tesla network.
- Regarding use of robotaxi for improper actions - there is an in-cabin camera watching you at all times. Just saying...
Who knows if or when Tesla will achieve any of these things. As everyone including Elon have noted many times, no one should count on Elon's timelines being accurate. However, in the long run, I wouldn't bet against the guy whose other company just landed the world's largest rocket on two chopsticks and whose other company just enabled my six-year-old car to suddenly be capable of driving me around town with often (but not yet 100%) zero interventions and without touching pedals or steering wheel. Will he be on time? Probably NOT. Waymo and others are obviously ahead on polished (enough) autonomy in very narrow, geo-fenced areas but since their solutions don't scale well at all, financially nor technologically, I think Tesla's likely to be first to make actual profit on autonomy and be available at larger scale even if it takes several years longer than Elon would hope.
I love the idea that because it will not park, cities will be empty of cars. What If the robotaxi could work? Well, I took Waymo, it was fine.
However, to put a microphone on a robot, tele operated and then say that was incredible human interaction? such a slimy move even by Elon Captain Fraud standards
Wrote : _"because it will not park, cities will be empty of cars"_
Taxis _are_ cars. They have also been around for a couple of centuries and they have not emptied cities of cars yet. Central London for example is full of taxis and buses last time I was there, in addition to private cars. Robotaxis will _add_ empty ones making transitions.
@@lexlayabout5757 Agreed. I was being sarcastic. Pure Classic Elon BS. He just wants Teslas for the traffic jams instead of Toyota
If energy is cheap enough, operators could avoid parking fees by just setting the vehicles to drive around in endless circles.
@@vylbird8014 these vehicles cause traffic jams. This is why many big cities have trains and subways. That really gets rid of traffic. Having a bunch of autonomous vehicles stuck in traffic is not a solution for anything.
@@pedrosura This is known in business as an "externality." It saves on parking, and the traffic is an expense for other people to deal with.
My god this is an awesome video. You blast straight through musks vapourware. Thank you so much for your legendary commentary on the event. Tesla stock is ridiculously overpriced. I really want to see it get into its rightful place.
Forgot sunset, sunrise
For wireless charging, A big resonant coil will be way more efficient than a phone charging coil.
it will be at around 90% efficiency.
I just do hope that Elon asked to correct questions and correct insights before having this designed.
Hi there. Thanks very much for the comment. Can you point me in the direction of something that explains these big resonant coils better? Not that I'm too lazy to Google it, but if you are already aware of a reliable source instead of me wading through useless results, that would be great
"Corporate puffery" for a gullible American audience..
A very fair and accurate video indeed!
Inductive charging operates on the distance squared
Double the distance, quadruple charging power (similar to lumens with light intensity). Further you introduce inneficiency with transformers needed at both ends. (Don't look like a transformer, more like the windings of a motor) Even at 98% efficiency there is an extra 4% loss on top of the distance from the charging point. Bear in mind this cannot abutt with the induction point as even an induction cooker works. Even though this almost touches it still more than doubles the required power so l would think the car would at least do this...
It is trying to solve the problem of Tesla stock is dropping
Musk spends all his time reinventing the wheel.
Step 1: Summon Robotaxi
Step 2: deploy dog leavings
Step 3: Cancel Robotaxi reservation
I was going to say Tesla's stock prices, but it didn't even solve this. 😅
Rimac has also a robotaxi concept (the verne, really love the design). And they have cameras on the inside, so if you dirty/ruin the interior, they are going to charge you. That seems like an approach to solve that problem. Pretty much the same in a hotel. They check the room after you left and if you damaged it, they will charge you.
While true, it still doesn't stop people from doing stupid things in these cars.
So I get filmed while using the taxi? Good luck with European privacy laws. Not to mention potential risk of data breaches.
@@neodym5809 Public transport in Europe has cameras against vanalism. Don't think that is an issue, espeically since you have to agree to terms and services. I would have to re-watch the video but you would need to have the cameras well visible.
@@gloofisearch Yep, people also trash hotel rooms (trains, trams and probably even taxis). But with the cameras you have proof and because you need an app to book it, they have all your contact info, so they will simply charge you.
And as a concept that is more viable than a robot that cleans the interior.
@@etherealicer public transport is public. Taxis aren’t.
Robotaxi is confusing to me because it takes away the ability to be in a hurry when you are in a hurry.
Sounds awesome on paper, sounds horribly stressful in real life
s-stop asking questions!!!!!
just consume [product] while getting excited for upcoming [new product]!!!!!
The thing about the price per mile is that Tesla are likely to be the ones setting it. The cars will be running off the Tesla system so it seems to me that Tesla will own the booking app. Looks like a Tesla Taxi franchise to me.
You buy the car, you pay Tesla to repair the car, you pay to clean the car, you pay to charge the car... and Tesla gets a percentage on the fees THEY think are competitive.
You pay, Tesla gets the money.
Bingo; that’s the point; that’s why it’s a scam!
Elmo (love it) may just be getting started. With a few slights of hand he can combine the taxi with in road induction systems so it will charge WHILE driving and the road will also have solar panels in them.. oh man, where will it end? A Dyson sphere?
Ok, seems if I just watched the video before commenting you touched on 2 of my "quick things"
Let's see. Musk originally told us that he wanted a $25,000 vehicle. Now he's backed out on that. Another broken promise. The tunnel in Vegas was supposed to have automatic cars. It has to use Tesla's with drivers. He promises a low price to get interested but reality is often different.
A two seater taxi. What could go wrong with that? Induction coils? Really?
@2 seats. I'm actually in favor of this. Most taxi rides are 2 or less people, so it makes no sense to have 4+seats (no one says all of them need to be 2-seater). However, that only makes sense to me, if the vehicle is significantly smaller.
What about states where no child under 8 years old can be in a front seat?
@@John-fz3ij A taxi fleet shoud not and probably will not be consisting of one type of vehicle. Besides, children also need a special seat, so they can't just get into any cab.
Besides, they need to change so many regulations to make these legal, changing the law concerning where children are allowed to seat seems like a relatively small obstacle.
The taxi takes two people so you will be forced to take more taxis or upgrade to the van. Instead of just using the base model 4 seater for the taxi.
This video is my exact thoughts expressed. I literally think the exact same thing. I am also banned from a few Tesla stock pumper UA-cam channels. But common sense and objectivity are no longer popular. Hyperbolic agenda driven content is king. Pump pump pump.
Romantic “spillage” hahahaha
these robothings would need maintenance, high-paid technicians, constant charging, tickets when breaking road laws, updates, updates that make the 'old' robothings obsolete junk, and I wonder if Musk could fight off the urge to shut them down remotely when it suits him?
I love love love the Mount Everest like drop in stock price after his bizarre event
There will be buses and vans for those occasions where larger groups are being transported to the same location, but most of the people will want the privacy, safety of riding with people they know. An inexpensive Robotaxi system will allow the poor and underserved communities to enjoy the same privacy, security, and safety as all of the people driving around today in big cars with only one passenger. The problem with most mass transit systems is that they are relegated to the poor. More affluent people won’t use it. The Robotaxi system will democratize and demonetize transportation the same way the smartphone globally democratized and demonetized communications and access to information and technology.
Tesla owner here. Love the cars not Elon but I think you should be evaluating the potential of these innovations. What will we see after another 10 years of innovation of FSD? Without Elon no other car manufacturers were attempting this. Steve Jobs challenged the status quo and made many enemies along the way. I see Elon in a similar light.
Elons over promising under delivering is very problematic.
Steve jobs delivered.
Budget Tesla model 2 should’ve been coming out the factory by now but he produced the cyber truck instead.
Couldn't believe when you mentioned drug use and sex. I literally made those two points back to back in the same delivery style as yours to my brother last week.
Robotaxis make zero sense. Like zero. Not exaggerating
Imagine the traffic when people instead of renting office space rent a Robo taxi for the day and program it to drive around town probably in an intentionally trafficy route (to pay more for time than distance) while they work away on their laptops and make their phone calls. 8 hours of a car clogging up the streets aimlessly versus that car not being on the road and that individual working in a tower office somewhere. Now multiply that by whatever factor x . RIP people who actually need to get somewhere legitimate in time. During lunch time you can program the car to swing by your mistress' place of work she jumps in for a quickie and then dropped off. No need for a one hour motel.
And if the cost is low the economics of being a robotaxi owner are just not worthwhile at all.
I agree. That "bus" is the worst designed vehicle I've ever seen: I live wayyyyyyyyy outttttttttt in the country and the FIRST pothole on the dirt roads here would bog down the vehicle immediately.
Plus, who is supposed to buy these Robotaxis? Ordinary people? There's a reason why there are "CAB COMPANIES"; The companies buy-say- ten cars and of course pay for the normal upkeep of all ten cars. PLUS gas, plus replacement parts, plus other expenses for all ten cars.
These Robotaxis? Who is supposed to buy them? The average family is supposed to buy several two seater cars for their personal use? Why? Why pay for four two seater cars when ONE five seater car is one half of the total price of the four cars? PLUS the maintenance of FOUR electric cars is much higher than ONE standard gas/ diesel car.
Especially when the batteries on the Robotaxis have to be changed out: Which with the Tesla is more than the price of the original car.
OR are they supposed to buy five of them, and send them out to make money for the family via the taxi fees? WITHOUT considering that this act would require state and federal licensing fees, getting certified as a taxi company, AND sending them off unsupervised by anything.or anyone?... And trusting that it won't be firebombed OR filled with garbage OR having drunks vomiting inside the car?
Or not coming back at all?
But all this is unimportant anyway; As musk will never market these two "Vehicles" to begin with. Like ... List all locations where the "Hyperloop" is being built ... How many of his "sports cars" are on the roads today? How many of his electric trucks are hauling loads on the highways right now? And how well are his stainless steel cars selling right now? This Robotaxi.and deathtrap bus are the same as the rest.
Self driving has a problem.
Every mechanical, electrical, electeonics and mechatronic devices fail, malfunction and at best needs to be reset every now amd than.
Now imagine a self driving vehicle. It will be like winning a lottery everytime you get into one.
I do think it's worth noting as much as I think this idea is going nowhere, if it actually took off, in theory a robotaxi would be driving many different passengers while a private zero emissions vehicle would be driving just one, now if we wanted to make the argument regarding a fleet of regular EV taxis as the comparison (which would in theory be more expensive to staff in an ethical way *if* the robotaxis became autonumous enough to not require any human intervention at all) then we are on the same page, but it is an objective truth that a taxi is more efficient use of resources than everyone who might just take taxis and buses buying a car, including EVs.
Elon said that a bus costs $1 a mile to run, while his robotaxi will cost $0.2 per mile. Obviously these numbers were pulled out of his ass.
However, let's assume for a moment that they are correct.
Robotaxi can carry 2 people. That is 10 cents per mile per person.
A bus can carry 60 people. That's 0.166 cents per mile per person.
Even if the numbers Elon pulled out of his ass to make himself look good are correct then the bus is still 6x more cost efficient per mile than his toy car.
Technology solves a problem by creating 10 more...
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Well I love my model 3 performance.
Saves me 400/month In fuel. Faster acceleration than 99.9% of other cars on the road. And it drives me to work every morning... you guys sound like you have never driven or ridden in one.... go test drive one then come back and comment
@@bobbobbinson1841 I have driven Teslas, my first experience was a Model S P90D, and I loved it. It was fast, comfortable, quiet and practical. But at the time it was about 100k euro (I bought a house for less than that, and even factoring in the renovation work, it'll still be cheaper) and I had no way of making it work everyday because I'd have nowhere to charge it.
Besides, what does this have to do with the robotaxi?
As Robotaxis become ubiquitous and as the monthly subscription cost drops to $0.50 per mile or less, people will stop buying cars and use the Robotaxi service exclusively. This will dramatically eliminate the number of cars manufactured each year reducing the mining for all of the raw materials needed to build 5x more cars, while providing a safer, more efficient, cheaper, faster transportation system.
2 quick things. Good job not hitting lit up bicyclists.. what if they had less lighting? Haven't heard any mention of that car cleaning robot.. are they actually a thing and I'm really old? If not, they sure make the taxi setup look so much more luxurious. When your car returns from a night of carousing people around, it parks on a charging pad and a robot detailer sweeps & vacuums up any leftover evidence. No shit, just thought about what if your taxi is involved in a crime? Huh, 3 quick things
Everybody uses roads, no exceptions. How do you think the goods come to stores?
Great points. As everything Elon proposes it solves nothing.
Robovin, ok whatever,,,lol. He is amusing we’ll give him that…🎉
It is not even an original design, they lifted it from a film.
Honestly thought it was a weird move to remove the sensors from the car i feel much saver if the car sees more than i do when its driving with autopilot
Still i don't trust it on european city streets. But i like the car (model 3) its fast its affordable second hand and its fun to drive
What about the user interface? Capacitive surfaces, no instrument binnacle ahead of the driver? Did you get used to it?
FSD if taken literally means zero interventions per year. An intervention is an Orwellian term for failure and accident. Your insurance company and dmv allow you zero per year. To relate it to reality, when you encounter a driving situation you can't handle an intervention would be an angel reaching down and taking control.
Current FSD is lucky to go 30 minutes without an intervention unless it's on a long highway drive.
If you listened carefully musk admitted there would be remote operators to takeover when the intervention signal is sent. But they run maybe 4 or 5 cars per remote operator. Waymo hides that they do this but it's the only way to get around failures. Just like remote operatirs were running the optimus bots.
I feel like if we have self driving cars, surely you could make them park in a very standardised way that would allow them to use some sort of automated plugging system instead of using inductive charging. Or you just hire a guy that plugs the cars in as they come in and unplugs them once they are ready. Or have your totally not fake robot do it...
Autonomous vehicles can only be safer than human drivers as long as there are no human-driven cars on the roads. Or pedestrians...
Remember: Every dollar that goes to a new Tesla indirectly helps Donald Trump into the White House.
11:10 amen! Why would you make what a human does, but worse, by far! Not just lack other senses but a sensor can always see whats ahead!
Re Elmo's thesis that cameras are good enough, it's interesting that tesla has reportedly been buying up Lidar systems recently....wonder why?