@@DespianGrimmPaldea idk, pfft, maybe if you guys started to voice your critique a little bit louder and seriously we wouldn't see any cheats and can have a normal duel. Its been the SAME THING every time. Cimo/Gage/MBT cheats. Commenter points it out. No improvement on cheating. Cimo/Gage/MBT cheat again. And repeat. Why even bother pointing it out when they are NEVER going to improve on it.
@@megamanfan220x That's less a callout and more a statement about how many people don't realize this series, moreso than the others, is just about having fun with your friends instead of winning at all costs, as MBT himself as said in the past. Misplays happen and complaining about it as much as everyone does just annoys the rest of us and wastes everyone's time.
@@dosbilliamThis isn't a misplay. Goyo being summoned is an illegal move. I dont care about misplays, misplays are part of the game. It's when they break the rules that ruins the quality. You claiming just that "they're friends its fun' further incentivizes the lack of improvement. They still CHEAT, not misplays, CHEAT. I care about quality. Wouldn't you want a video where there is no cheating? Or are you okay with them illegally summoning, illegally drawing, or whatever rule they break next. Again, these are not misplays!
proper summons sure is a trackable and intuitive thing so i wonder how mbt could have immediately seen that that goyo can't be summoned with soul charge
20:59 missed lethal, Su has an effect to Tribute a Hieratic from hand/field to blow up backrow, so it can tribute the Su from hand to summon the second Labradorite, then the two Labs = Gauntlet Launcher
You play 2 labradorite because if you draw 3 hieratics you can overlay both for Atum. I usually play 3 or 4 normals, labradorite + wattaildragon + a 1 and 2 tuner.
yeah if its hieratics wouldn't you want more targets for the effect?...like if you tribute more than one monster god forbid it'd be nice to have more than one target for at least 2 of the effects to summon....its really not hard to see why its there
Imagine getting voluntary upset and annoyed over the bad plays. To all who do, chill the hell out, and get a sense of humor. It is the history of jank. What isn't more jankie than two friends enjoying time together and forgetting about aspects of a casual children's vard game. If you get upset at this, then you're most likely the type of person who gets tilted in unranked overwatch, and it doesn't get sadder than that.
Banishing Dragar would have meant that he wouldn't be able to do the Labradorite/Leo play, and left no other real options except Summon exactly 1 other monster and pray.
no because he builds the decks so the ninjas never work, im a die hard ninja fan and i cringe everytime he says he will play them, not once he played a good build that was made so it could work, it's like he is trying to piss off every ninja player in the world
I remember facing Laval Artifact, I don't remember how the duels went, just was very confused as to what was happening with all the graveyard dumping (especially since they never seemed to have anything like soul charge 😅 )
Fun fact: Laval's playmaker card, Laval Volcano Handmaiden *can miss timing*. You haven't played jank until your Handmaiden has been forced to miss timing by your opponent's interruption.
since i didnt play tcg in 2014, im curious about something here. What if i just activate ignition with no artifacts in deck? how can they prove i dont?
Looking at the text if artifact ignition, you have to set an artifact after destroying a spell/trap otherwise the card is not legally able to activate if you cannot set an artifact, otherwise people would of used it as more copies of mst
"This deck doesn't have drakossack?" This is jank! That is still at least a $100 card at this time! Why would, in the name or concept of reality, this deck have that?
To be fair artifact Laval did top a arg back in the day piloted by James chow to decent success the finals mat h was best of 5 against Mike albanese with infernity. Mike ended up winning by 5th match tie breaker so I won't quite call it Jank as such just a not quite explored strategy
Yes, rekindling is kinda a bad soul charge BUT Rekindling still allow you to attack while soul charge not. This ninja decklist at least is better than the slifer one's at least, kinda cool see a laval deck in action ngl.
Not even ignoring summoning conditions, it's ignoring game mechanics. If ignoring summoning conditions worked like that then dark flattop wouldn't have been such a terrible card.
@@blahmaster6k Then they should simply Errata Dark Flattop to say “ignoring game mechanics“ because I'd love to see that on a card even if I know that if you want Flattop to work that way you realistically had to change the text to “return Sky Fire to the deck, then special summon it ignoring summoning conditions.“
Laval needs a new wave of support. That synchro looks awesome but is frankly very bad. Why couldn't they at least have made salamander's book effect a quickie? Explore isn't bad, but you gotta hate cards that require destruction to trigger their effects in grave. It's not 2014 Konami, it should at least say "if this card is sent to the GY"
Hey you ever consider doing a matchup game where you get list from your patreon or whoever of just random random list on there and tweak them and then play them and see if they're good
Honestly, I don't think the Ninja engine is that bad of an idea on Heiratics as a form of extra removal, but this list really needs some fixing up. 2 Labrodorite Dragon is incredibly cringe and that sidedeck is a mess
I really wish Lavalval would get legecy support. The deck is so cool and with good modern support some of the old cards like lakeside lady could really shine.
Here is an idea. How about we make Cimo and MBT play using automatic yugioh simulator like eco pro so players cannot cheat. Anyone else like this idea?
Guys you gotta set the field to Master Rule 3. I know these decks don't use pendulums so it's not a problem but in the future you gotta make sure you got those dedicated pendulum zones
@Ryan San Agustin ah right I was running under that assumption since they were at post duelist alliance in the regular history of Yugioh. I can see why it's become difficult for Alex to keep track of when to set everything at.
@@SirGrimLockSmithVIII Understandable. They’ve also been in this post dragon ruler pre-duelist alliance period for a while now so the confusion makes sense. There’s just a lot of decks to see in Fire-Water/ HAT format. They said they’re basically finished with this format tho so next episode should certainly be duelist alliance and master rule 3
I swear I'm experiencing a mandala effect with Maxx C. Every time I see it in lists from this time I always wonder how it's not banned. In my memory, Maxx C was limited during Wind-up Inzektor format, and fully banned by the time Dragon Rulers came out. I stopped playing/following the game in 2015, when dimension of chaos came out. I didn't have an LGS to play at, but I played a lot of dueling book/netowork and YGO pro. Why don't I remember ever seeing Maxx C despite it being at 3 the entire time I was playing? So strange.
@Comment your Social Security details true, trap cards were still a viable card type, but even still most decks, competitive or casual, just normaled a guy who searches for something. Then use a free special from hand, overlay for a rank 4. That was every deck for like 5 years.
*Please respond so I know you've seen it & can stop copy & pasting this comment.* 1. We need a history of Tier 0. Can you do a video covering the tier 0 formats? ex. Tele-dad vs Zoodiac or Nekroz vs PePe. 2. Can you do a game of modern Yu-Gi-Oh with everything at 3? I don't think some cards are as busted as people think! 3. Can you bring back Sealed Saturdays?
We WILL let you know if you're cheating. And MBT, you're cheating. Goyo was warninged, you cant Soul Charge it. And PLEASE, when Pendulum get here, use the MR3 field. You've messed up the field multiple times in HoY because you don't use the right field consistently.
Lava Girl Sleeves. Ah, Taylor Dooley. Life and times of her being known for the famous Lava Girl herself. Side note: Is the Lava Girl sleeves was because of the Laval Ladies? 😏😏😏
The Ninja-Hieratic deck is just an accumulution of newbie thinking deck building: Let's play two Laborite, so you always have one in deck! You will never draw it, trust me, bro!
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I get not reading cards but even to forget something as standard as game mechanics is insane, goyo guardian cannot be summoned from the grave as it was solemned, its been making these series unwatchable, immediately clicked off
13:14 Goyo Guardian can't be Special Summoned off of Soul Charge because its Synchro Summon was negated by Solemn Warning
But of course, professional cheaters at their finest. Glad to see nothing's changed.
@@DespianGrimmPaldea idk, pfft, maybe if you guys started to voice your critique a little bit louder and seriously we wouldn't see any cheats and can have a normal duel. Its been the SAME THING every time. Cimo/Gage/MBT cheats. Commenter points it out. No improvement on cheating. Cimo/Gage/MBT cheat again. And repeat. Why even bother pointing it out when they are NEVER going to improve on it.
@@cybzer0560 because at 13:31, Cimo literally called us out to do that exact thing
@@megamanfan220x That's less a callout and more a statement about how many people don't realize this series, moreso than the others, is just about having fun with your friends instead of winning at all costs, as MBT himself as said in the past.
Misplays happen and complaining about it as much as everyone does just annoys the rest of us and wastes everyone's time.
@@dosbilliamThis isn't a misplay. Goyo being summoned is an illegal move. I dont care about misplays, misplays are part of the game. It's when they break the rules that ruins the quality. You claiming just that "they're friends its fun' further incentivizes the lack of improvement. They still CHEAT, not misplays, CHEAT. I care about quality. Wouldn't you want a video where there is no cheating? Or are you okay with them illegally summoning, illegally drawing, or whatever rule they break next. Again, these are not misplays!
“The comments will let us know we’re cheating” correct! But for something else at that time and not on how Scrap Dragon resolves 😅
Goyo Guardian: Turn 10... They still suspect nothing...
Lmao
0:55 "We're just about done with this format" NOT UNTIL BLIZZARD BURN IS FEATURED!! 😭
Oh YES! I want to see this!
Blizzard like Blizzard the Far North? or more like Blizzard Princess?
@@WolfEntertainment No, what the fuck, those are actually passable cards.
We're talking underground jank, Blizzard Falcon burn baby
@@Carlet_S That does sound very janky. Only knew about that card from Duel Links when Rio came out.
13:15 You can't summon Goyo back since the synchro summon was negated
Oh boy, I sure do LOVE seeing "when you can" printed on a card!
The fact they made a TUNER that MISSES TIMING on a SYNCHRO SUMMON ticks me off to this day. #PleaseRemoveMissingTimingAsARule
proper summons sure is a trackable and intuitive thing so i wonder how mbt could have immediately seen that that goyo can't be summoned with soul charge
Finally someone recognizes that people can forget lol.
well this man wants to cook hero guu and plays locals so yes this is pretty bad all things considered
ok but like they cheated in several other ways too....can it all be chalked down to just convenient forgetting or do we call the bs at some point?
@@metalmario1231 No, it's inconvenient forgetting lol.
20:59 missed lethal, Su has an effect to Tribute a Hieratic from hand/field to blow up backrow, so it can tribute the Su from hand to summon the second Labradorite, then the two Labs = Gauntlet Launcher
I can't wait for this series to hit the modern era so Cimo can be forced to play all those jank experiments Joseph made TMTs for.
Turbo Tuesday Era of decks like Darkness Neosphere turbo or Air Pods Dragoon.
1:15 Deck List / Breakdown
9:23 Duels
To be fair, I never remember "Properly Summon" shit either
You play 2 labradorite because if you draw 3 hieratics you can overlay both for Atum. I usually play 3 or 4 normals, labradorite + wattaildragon + a 1 and 2 tuner.
Are you talking about 1 and 2 star tuners?
@@locklhan1938 yes, usually its flamvell guard and galaxy serpent
yeah if its hieratics wouldn't you want more targets for the effect?...like if you tribute more than one monster god forbid it'd be nice to have more than one target for at least 2 of the effects to summon....its really not hard to see why its there
15:10 Maybe im missing something but why couldn't Cimo normal summon Dragard and then special summon the RE-DMD?
Yup that was a misplay on his part. It might have bought him a turn.
I would love to see Laval Quaser! That deck was so sweet
They already did that.
9:40 nice sleeves MBT great movie!
Jerry beans man was the all important 15th side deck card...
0:54 MBT's Deck: Laval / Artifact 4:37 Cimooooo's Deck: Ninja / Hieratic
8:23 Game 1
16:44 Game 2
22:48 Game 3
I watch these just to see MBT's sleeves, they never disappoint
Imagine getting voluntary upset and annoyed over the bad plays. To all who do, chill the hell out, and get a sense of humor. It is the history of jank. What isn't more jankie than two friends enjoying time together and forgetting about aspects of a casual children's vard game. If you get upset at this, then you're most likely the type of person who gets tilted in unranked overwatch, and it doesn't get sadder than that.
Lava Girl Sleeves😂
Not a single super transformation resolved 😅😅
What a ninja deck.
"plan was to draw any Dragon that I can normal summon because I had REDMD in hand"
Says after Setting dragar face down lmao
Banishing Dragar would have meant that he wouldn't be able to do the Labradorite/Leo play, and left no other real options except Summon exactly 1 other monster and pray.
@@elijahpadilla5083 Still better than set Dragar and pray imo
Game 1 8:22
Game 2 16:43
Game 2 22:48
Did the Ninja part of Cimo's deck do ANYTHING other than thin the deck a bit?
Yes. The cards Hanzo grabbed were bait for MBT to destroy. Imagine if they were good cards that MBT was destroying.
well he said heraldics do not need the ninjas
Brick him to high heaven, as any hieratic deck worth its salt should
no because he builds the decks so the ninjas never work, im a die hard ninja fan and i cringe everytime he says he will play them, not once he played a good build that was made so it could work, it's like he is trying to piss off every ninja player in the world
I don't know who made that laval extra
Yeah, they missed the lv7 synchros from the deck
I remember facing Laval Artifact, I don't remember how the duels went, just was very confused as to what was happening with all the graveyard dumping (especially since they never seemed to have anything like soul charge 😅 )
Jaaaaaannnnnnnnkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. With one of my favorite Jank archetypes Laval.
Love that guardian is properly summoned 😂 13:15
Goyo was Forbidden in HAT format, I don't know where are they getting those lists, lmao
@@3DSpaceCadet_ Didn't they say in the Nekroz video ARG had a custom banlist?
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Yes, but that was in late 2015, in Jank they're currently on Hat format (around April 2014)
Game 1: you can't special summon Goyo guardian from GY with Soul Charge, because it wasn't Synchro Summoned
So, there was a good chance Alex had game 1, clearing Scrap wouldn't have been an issue without the illegal Goyo.
I wish they'd use a different simulator with automation that enforces rules. Maybe Omega?
I've been thinking about this for a long time
Do any of them have the pre-errata versions of all cards?
@@nigerianprinceajaniYes, edopro even has anime formats and anime only cards.
@@x100-j5r I wasn't asking about anime bs, I was asking about the actual game.
@@nigerianprinceajani I answered your question with "yes" I was using the anime cards as an example to show just how much other simulators have.
This series became an adult version of "swiper no swiping" as mbt and cimoo cyclically cheat their way to victory
I played Yugioh last in 2010. How is emptiness still legal this long after player realized how good it is?
Same reason Soul Charge is legal for MUCH longer than it deserved to be: Who fucking knows?
Oof, that opening hand from Alex game 1. We’ve all been there
Fun fact: Laval's playmaker card, Laval Volcano Handmaiden *can miss timing*. You haven't played jank until your Handmaiden has been forced to miss timing by your opponent's interruption.
Yeah, it doesn't miss timing off of Scrap Dragon though, so they didn't mess up that part.
Fun fact: Laval Stennon can also miss timing on its targeting protection.
@BlindOracle00 no it can't. It can be chainblocked so it can't negate the targetting but that's has nothing to do with missing timing.
since i didnt play tcg in 2014, im curious about something here. What if i just activate ignition with no artifacts in deck? how can they prove i dont?
Looking at the text if artifact ignition, you have to set an artifact after destroying a spell/trap otherwise the card is not legally able to activate if you cannot set an artifact, otherwise people would of used it as more copies of mst
This is the 10th time we see Lavals in this channel.
"This deck doesn't have drakossack?" This is jank! That is still at least a $100 card at this time! Why would, in the name or concept of reality, this deck have that?
Was goyo able to be brought back since it was warninged?
Nope, since it was never successfully summoned
To be fair artifact Laval did top a arg back in the day piloted by James chow to decent success the finals mat h was best of 5 against Mike albanese with infernity. Mike ended up winning by 5th match tie breaker so I won't quite call it Jank as such just a not quite explored strategy
Game 1 Alex probably should have just held the trap card turn 1 so he could discard the labradorite to hand size.
It would be awesome if you can review some of my deck builds that I have
Yes, rekindling is kinda a bad soul charge BUT Rekindling still allow you to attack while soul charge not. This ninja decklist at least is better than the slifer one's at least, kinda cool see a laval deck in action ngl.
Every hand with 2x Labradorite Dragon is great
Good to know Soul Charge can just ignore summoning conditions
Not even ignoring summoning conditions, it's ignoring game mechanics. If ignoring summoning conditions worked like that then dark flattop wouldn't have been such a terrible card.
@@blahmaster6k Then they should simply Errata Dark Flattop to say “ignoring game mechanics“ because I'd love to see that on a card even if I know that if you want Flattop to work that way you realistically had to change the text to “return Sky Fire to the deck, then special summon it ignoring summoning conditions.“
Laval needs a new wave of support. That synchro looks awesome but is frankly very bad. Why couldn't they at least have made salamander's book effect a quickie? Explore isn't bad, but you gotta hate cards that require destruction to trigger their effects in grave. It's not 2014 Konami, it should at least say "if this card is sent to the GY"
***YOU CANNOT SOUL CHARGE GOYO GUARDIAN AFTER SOLEMN WARNING NEGATED ITS PROPER SYNCHRO SUMMON***
Warning on the goyo so the soulcharge couldn’t be summoned
I love opening a new history episode and immediately going to the comments to see what the boys fucked up today
Ah yes laval the deck with a really nice aesthetic.. for its tuners the rest of the archetype looks like children's toys
Hey you ever consider doing a matchup game where you get list from your patreon or whoever of just random random list on there and tweak them and then play them and see if they're good
Honestly, I don't think the Ninja engine is that bad of an idea on Heiratics as a form of extra removal, but this list really needs some fixing up. 2 Labrodorite Dragon is incredibly cringe and that sidedeck is a mess
Meaphys in Yugioh Jank When.
I really wish Lavalval would get legecy support. The deck is so cool and with good modern support some of the old cards like lakeside lady could really shine.
It actually did get support a couple years ago in the form of Laval Archer and Salamander. They just suck ass.
@@astercat49 Ah then I have to correct myself: I wish for the deck to get actually good support ^^
IT'S THE LAVAL EPISODE! FINALLY!!
MBTs lava girl sleeves lol
Joseph can’t win with lancer, Alex can’t win with ninjas. It’s all good.
7:18 you have no idea...
oh goyo. mbt still wants hero guu too.....
VOLCANIC SUPPORT LETS GOOOOOOOO
I didn’t know Joe was Italian
Wow never been this early lmaooo😂
Here is an idea. How about we make Cimo and MBT play using automatic yugioh simulator like eco pro so players cannot cheat. Anyone else like this idea?
Come on, we need blue blooded oni ftk
I see no one yet has realised Cimo couldn't make gauntlet laucher because Dragard made the monster it brought back as an level 8 in game 2. 😂
No it does not.
@@LuigisLegend My mistake, took a quick reread and I did in fact initially misread the effect. Thank you for the correction.
Guys you gotta set the field to Master Rule 3. I know these decks don't use pendulums so it's not a problem but in the future you gotta make sure you got those dedicated pendulum zones
We are in fact not in duelist alliance format yet so switching master rules doesn’t make sense yet. It’s very clearly HAT format still
@Ryan San Agustin ah right I was running under that assumption since they were at post duelist alliance in the regular history of Yugioh.
I can see why it's become difficult for Alex to keep track of when to set everything at.
@@SirGrimLockSmithVIII Understandable. They’ve also been in this post dragon ruler pre-duelist alliance period for a while now so the confusion makes sense. There’s just a lot of decks to see in Fire-Water/ HAT format. They said they’re basically finished with this format tho so next episode should certainly be duelist alliance and master rule 3
It's LaVALVAL Chain.
I swear I'm experiencing a mandala effect with Maxx C. Every time I see it in lists from this time I always wonder how it's not banned. In my memory, Maxx C was limited during Wind-up Inzektor format, and fully banned by the time Dragon Rulers came out. I stopped playing/following the game in 2015, when dimension of chaos came out. I didn't have an LGS to play at, but I played a lot of dueling book/netowork and YGO pro. Why don't I remember ever seeing Maxx C despite it being at 3 the entire time I was playing? So strange.
It's not as good if it goes 1 for 1 and your opponent sets 3 backrow afterwards.
It only became completely broken in DUEA format.
@Comment your Social Security details true, trap cards were still a viable card type, but even still most decks, competitive or casual, just normaled a guy who searches for something. Then use a free special from hand, overlay for a rank 4. That was every deck for like 5 years.
methinks there should be a judge on call every game
JK who cares these games don't matter at all.
How many times has Cimo played Ninja? It's time to stop. Ninja will NEVER work
oh they do work, just not the way he builds them
Blizzard Burn when?
another episode of "if its not meta its not yugioh" I love that line of thinking
calls it ninja hieratic....is running 5 total ninja cards.....its ghostrick all over again
*Please respond so I know you've seen it & can stop copy & pasting this comment.*
1. We need a history of Tier 0. Can you do a video covering the tier 0 formats? ex. Tele-dad vs Zoodiac or Nekroz vs PePe.
2. Can you do a game of modern Yu-Gi-Oh with everything at 3? I don't think some cards are as busted as people think!
3. Can you bring back Sealed Saturdays?
Goyo guardian has its errata at the moment right? Not sure how MBT is supposed to summon it.
No, the Goyo erratum came out in 2017, long after the card was even viable in competitce. You can blame the OCG branch for that one.
ah yes cheating... but at least it wasn't cimo who cheated this time
Dragard lolol
We WILL let you know if you're cheating. And MBT, you're cheating. Goyo was warninged, you cant Soul Charge it.
And PLEASE, when Pendulum get here, use the MR3 field. You've messed up the field multiple times in HoY because you don't use the right field consistently.
Lava Girl Sleeves.
Ah, Taylor Dooley. Life and times of her being known for the famous Lava Girl herself.
Side note: Is the Lava Girl sleeves was because of the Laval Ladies? 😏😏😏
This is why yugioh is mainly for casuals. Still entertaining though 😊
Ltgo ok letgo
Mbt didn't draw for turn
The Ninja-Hieratic deck is just an accumulution of newbie thinking deck building: Let's play two Laborite, so you always have one in deck! You will never draw it, trust me, bro!
Let's play only 1 of the bricks so you can lose to a single D.D. Crow.
I’m getting annoyed with the cheating…
galactic god made a triple 12 lvl synchro monster combo
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Ninja engine starts to annoy me. It doesn't do anything good or fun and it is the third time we're watching that. Why?
Buuuu a Laval deck with soul charge and rekindling without quasar or some other real boss to end on 😂
I get not reading cards but even to forget something as standard as game mechanics is insane, goyo guardian cannot be summoned from the grave as it was solemned, its been making these series unwatchable, immediately clicked off
You can't soul charge goyo back solemn negates the summon so it was never properly summoned
That laval extra deck needs work.
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