Nice clear and concise info thank you! After watching your video it gave me the confidence to get my timing set replaced on our 2003 Expedition it turned out great thanks again!
When swapping out the cams ( just cams nothing else) do you need to take the tension off the chain? If not will the timing jump? or is it just a simple popping off the cam bolt from the gear and swapping cams? Thanks in advance.
If only swapping cams you need a timing wedge, wedge the chain so the bottom dont get out of time then mark the tops then you can remove cam bolt and cams, replace cams, put it back in time according to your marks then tighten the cam bolt and remove wedge. You can do 1 side at a time this way as well
Ford nailed it this engine in my opinion. Really considering changing my LT1 with a 5.4L 2V. I am not a person who cares about Brand(Ford/Chevy), I care about engineering and specific designed things and the Modular Ford has everything I like. Love it even not even driving or working in one. Awesome video, simple and objective. I still need to study more about it, but so far I love it.
Nice video man! The best one I have seen yet. However, I have a question and I was hoping you can guide me in the right direction. I want to replace the head gaskets on my 1997 f150 4.6l. If I remove the heads using the cam tools and install the heads back exactly as removed, do I have to degree the cams? Thank you.
No you wouldnt. The only important thing is making sure that the timing marks line up exactly how they came off or starting at tdc and going back that way so you can use new chains and there marks
hey man great video - I'm about to do this job for the first time on my 2011 Crown Vic Police Interceptor. I watched a ton of videos and many say once you lock the cams with the cam locking tool to not rotate them again with the chain off, or it could mess up the timing. but then most videos end up rotating them slightly with the tool off, to line up the chain properly? little confused by this
Ok so to answer the question I will do so in 2 ways. 1 do not over rotate on a 2v motor. Slight rotate in either direction is fine. 2 the chain will have links as shown in this video and sometimes to get those lined up properly you have to rotate some one way or the other. Now if the cam is sitting on a lobe and lets say rotates violently to the left, don’t freak out because unless you put a ton of force on it by hand it shouldn’t bend the valves, just rotate it back toward your mark in the opposite direction of the way it spun. So if it spun 1/4 turn < that direction then turn it 1/4 back > direction so that your not rotating the cam 360 degrees in one direction which would result in bent valves on the 2v engine. Ps ive never owned a cam holding tool EVER for any engine but specifically ford
I have a 07 f150 4.6 2v blowing black smoke rough idle i change the oil smelt like gas changed the injectors new spark plugs still same thing when i bought the truck number 3 cylinder had a striped plug hole i took head to get fixed put new gasket cut head timing on what could be wrong
Help!! I was doing timing and after installing and checking by hand crank. I feel interference so I stopped. How do I find TDC with engine in the expedition? Or how do I check TDC for left bank camshaft??
Doing head gasket on 4.6 what do I do for timing chain I don’t want to replace the timing chain just the head gasket what can I do besides getting the cam holder tool and making sure it’s tdc
Well to do the head gasket timing cover had to come off as well as chain/cams so personally i wouldnt use a holding tool. Id get it at tdc then pull everything. Id also atleast replace guides and tensioners
I just did a timing chain, guides, and cast tensioners on a 5.4 2v. Started right up, but there is vibration in the engine. No codes. Almost like most of the cylinders are missing. I am fairly confident I put the "tone" ring on correctly. I did see the front mark on it. Anything else I should look for that would cause these issues?
Right off the bat there is a couple things id go over first. Make sure all the wiring is plugged in even if you think it is go back and check by putting your hand on every single sensor. Make sure there is no vac leaks
@@MrMelvinkennedy1 thanks for the reply. I felt like I triple check the timing marks and colored chain links. I have gone over all the connectors several times and I have been searching for a vacuum leak but I can't pin point one. Plugs look lean.
When I put my crankshaft to tdc the cams where totally off and my engine ran smooth as heck it's weird I just replaced a headgasket in my 4.6l 2v and reinstalled the heads, tried to turn the camshafts to the timing positions recommended and I feel valves hitting pistons so I don't force anything, the only thing I can think of is I need to take the heads back of to rotate the cams in place ?
It’s 3:30am here. When I get up in a few hours I will try to see what I can do to help you out. I may have to have a phone number I can call to do so but will try to help you figure out what’s going on
@MrMelvinkennedy1 just had a question if the crankshaft is at top dead center should the camshafts spin freely? And if so does the timing chain need to be connected to spin with the cams to avoid the valve to piston interference? I'm 21 and don't got mechanical experience just researched everything to come this far
I would prefer cast but im not particularly against the nylon style in general. Ive seen both fail and ive seen both go 200k plus so its either in my opinion. I do like the idea of cast over plastic though for “toughness” aspect
@@MrMelvinkennedy1 I tend to agree and I appreciate your insight. I have a 2001 Mustang GT that runs like a top but I am getting ready to do this job as preventative maintenance. Did you have any trouble removing the camshaft sprokets i.e., the cam's didn't try and rotate? I assumed that you used the camshaft holding tool. I am watching your other videos and you have some cool stuff.
@@BlueOvalEdge ive never used the cam tool, if you are at TDC already the cams should move very little and if so then rotate them back easy so you dont over rotate
@@BlueOvalEdge yes Ive always been good with keeping cams from rotating however at times they will some you just have to rotate the back. If you are replacing the timing chain guides, tensioners etc… you should be fine with not removing the cam sprockets. They are typically in great shape however some go ahead and replace them while they are in there
Can you do this job without taking the intake manifold off while in the truck ? I can see taking the valve covers off. I have a svt lightning 5.4 2 valve 2004
It can be done but honestly removing the intake is the easiest part of the job as well as its a ton easier to remove the valve covers once it’s off and out the way
@@texaspete817 if its a 2v and its off, pull the heads. Trust me it will save you a lot of time in the end. If you can tell its off its enough to bend the valves on a 2v
Well if you are referring to reusing a chain then mark it with paint prior to removing it as long as it hasnt jumped. Otherwise I have not seen a new chain that wasnt marked yet. Some are just a lighter color that the other links which makes them harder to notice but otherwise never seen these chains with out marks
I’m gonna do this job on one of my crown Vics. Thank you for the video, straight to the point. Any tips other than what you mentioned in video would be much appreciated
@@TearItUpFixItTV if you removing the heads also the don’t worry about lining anything up until your going back together. Otherwise if it’s in good running condition line the crank up as showing in the pic and see where your marks are on the cams if it’s 180 out they will be the opposite of where they need to be but if the crank and cam marks line up like this video then your lined up
No experience doing a 2V timing job..any timing job for that matter, but after following TDC steps my marks look just like what's in this video. Here's an e-high five 🙋♂️
@@MrMelvinkennedy1 can I use a cam holder tool and then just dig in on replacing timing components without removing followers? Read somewhere that said have the key way at 9oClock before removing timing chains. Is this true?
@@Logistican518 never used a cam holding tool in all my years, sometimes the cam can rotate but just rotate it back so the colored links are lined up. keyway meaning woodruff key then its more like 10-11 as you see in this video
@@MrMelvinkennedy1 how do I get the gears at the top to turn in the spot where it need to be and I took everything off only the bottom 1 is right ,the other 2 👇
@@michaelbrooks2741 the cam has to be turned for the gears to line up. Do not try this on a 2v without unbolting the head first unless its only like 1/4 turn
dear LORD get rid of those plastic timing tensioners those things are EVIL. they don't have ratchets in them so during cold starts the timing chain runs slack and it eats into its guides until oil pressure reaches them which can take way too long when its cold out. The iron ones have ratchets in them so they stay tense even without oil pressure. also check your pan and pick up tube for plastic bits from the timing guides being carved into.
Thanks for the comment. This is what i do for a living and the customers get what they pay for. Yes i always check for debris during any tear down. The plastic dont ratchet because they are spring loaded if i recall correctly so there is always a certain amount of tension even on cold starts.
@@MrMelvinkennedy1 ok sorry, it would seem I spoke from ignorance. also do you have any idea when ford started using plastic timing tensioner? Do you think my 99 grand marquis has them or are they iron?
If im not mistaking ford never used plastic, the plastic is aftermarket. i would say yours if factory is not plastic. i dont recommend using aftermarket parts but i give the customers the price difference and more times than not against my advice they go aftermarket and warranty reflects that.
Some good tips on the timing and the zero clearance motor! Looks like you are doing a good job on it! Have a good week !!
Great video I love them Ford engines I haven't got to working on my 3v engine yet been busy keep the video coming
Just wanted to double check timing marks. Quick and straight forward. Great video!
Nice clear and concise info thank you! After watching your video it gave me the confidence to get my timing set replaced on our 2003 Expedition it turned out great thanks again!
Awesome, im glad it helped you
Ok
That was good information first video i seen talking about the gear position ..
Thank you so much bud this helped out a lot
Great video
Good shit my boi
Great vid new sub
Thanks. Should be posting new videos soon. Having new shop built, should be rolling by march
When swapping out the cams ( just cams nothing else) do you need to take the tension off the chain? If not will the timing jump? or is it just a simple popping off the cam bolt from the gear and swapping cams?
Thanks in advance.
If only swapping cams you need a timing wedge, wedge the chain so the bottom dont get out of time then mark the tops then you can remove cam bolt and cams, replace cams, put it back in time according to your marks then tighten the cam bolt and remove wedge. You can do 1 side at a time this way as well
Great video thanks
@@lordjonmagnus absolutley
Ford nailed it this engine in my opinion. Really considering changing my LT1 with a 5.4L 2V. I am not a person who cares about Brand(Ford/Chevy), I care about engineering and specific designed things and the Modular Ford has everything I like. Love it even not even driving or working in one. Awesome video, simple and objective. I still need to study more about it, but so far I love it.
Yes ford definitely had a decent engine here. I love the 3 valves as well but they were a little more complicated
Nice video man! The best one I have seen yet. However, I have a question and I was hoping you can guide me in the right direction. I want to replace the head gaskets on my 1997 f150 4.6l. If I remove the heads using the cam tools and install the heads back exactly as removed, do I have to degree the cams? Thank you.
No you wouldnt. The only important thing is making sure that the timing marks line up exactly how they came off or starting at tdc and going back that way so you can use new chains and there marks
Now if the chain or guide doesn’t replacing. Can u just only install the tensioners only?
Yes you can. However even if i didnt replace the chain which i would recommend id atleast replace the guides with the tensioners
hey man great video - I'm about to do this job for the first time on my 2011 Crown Vic Police Interceptor. I watched a ton of videos and many say once you lock the cams with the cam locking tool to not rotate them again with the chain off, or it could mess up the timing. but then most videos end up rotating them slightly with the tool off, to line up the chain properly? little confused by this
Ok so to answer the question I will do so in 2 ways. 1 do not over rotate on a 2v motor. Slight rotate in either direction is fine. 2 the chain will have links as shown in this video and sometimes to get those lined up properly you have to rotate some one way or the other. Now if the cam is sitting on a lobe and lets say rotates violently to the left, don’t freak out because unless you put a ton of force on it by hand it shouldn’t bend the valves, just rotate it back toward your mark in the opposite direction of the way it spun. So if it spun 1/4 turn < that direction then turn it 1/4 back > direction so that your not rotating the cam 360 degrees in one direction which would result in bent valves on the 2v engine. Ps ive never owned a cam holding tool EVER for any engine but specifically ford
I have a 07 f150 4.6 2v blowing black smoke rough idle i change the oil smelt like gas changed the injectors new spark plugs still same thing when i bought the truck number 3 cylinder had a striped plug hole i took head to get fixed put new gasket cut head timing on what could be wrong
Sorry im just seeing this. If you havent figured it out yet please let me know and ill do my best to help.
Yes I'ma kinda late too but the problem was a vacuum leak on under the radiator.
I forgot to put mine at tdc and the passenger side doesnt line up without a bunch of slack on the side its not supposed to have slack on
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Help!! I was doing timing and after installing and checking by hand crank. I feel interference so I stopped. How do I find TDC with engine in the expedition? Or how do I check TDC for left bank camshaft??
Are you ok with me calling you to talk with you over the phone. This can get really technical discussing by text
@@MrMelvinkennedy1 can you message me your number?
Doing head gasket on 4.6 what do I do for timing chain I don’t want to replace the timing chain just the head gasket what can I do besides getting the cam holder tool and making sure it’s tdc
Well to do the head gasket timing cover had to come off as well as chain/cams so personally i wouldnt use a holding tool. Id get it at tdc then pull everything. Id also atleast replace guides and tensioners
I just did a timing chain, guides, and cast tensioners on a 5.4 2v. Started right up, but there is vibration in the engine. No codes. Almost like most of the cylinders are missing. I am fairly confident I put the "tone" ring on correctly. I did see the front mark on it. Anything else I should look for that would cause these issues?
Do you think you could have maybe got it a tooth off on timing ?
Right off the bat there is a couple things id go over first. Make sure all the wiring is plugged in even if you think it is go back and check by putting your hand on every single sensor. Make sure there is no vac leaks
@@MrMelvinkennedy1 thanks for the reply. I felt like I triple check the timing marks and colored chain links. I have gone over all the connectors several times and I have been searching for a vacuum leak but I can't pin point one. Plugs look lean.
I focused more time on the connectors on the injectors and coils than the sensors. I'll spend some time validating the sensor connections.
@@danporter643 is it a possibility you bent a valve, unlike the 3v the 2v is very tight tolerance wise
My timing chain broke and I have no broke vales so how would I aline the cams up nowi need to turn them but I'm not sure where to aline them
Is it a 2v motor or 3v?
When I put my crankshaft to tdc the cams where totally off and my engine ran smooth as heck it's weird I just replaced a headgasket in my 4.6l 2v and reinstalled the heads, tried to turn the camshafts to the timing positions recommended and I feel valves hitting pistons so I don't force anything, the only thing I can think of is I need to take the heads back of to rotate the cams in place ?
It’s 3:30am here. When I get up in a few hours I will try to see what I can do to help you out. I may have to have a phone number I can call to do so but will try to help you figure out what’s going on
If your still having trouble I’m available just let me know
@MrMelvinkennedy1 just had a question if the crankshaft is at top dead center should the camshafts spin freely? And if so does the timing chain need to be connected to spin with the cams to avoid the valve to piston interference? I'm 21 and don't got mechanical experience just researched everything to come this far
@@kevinedwards8330 what model and year
@@kevinedwards8330 if your able to leave a number it would be way easier to call you, especially considering you have no experience
Nice work Melvin. Do you prefer the nylon or cast iron tensioners?
I would prefer cast but im not particularly against the nylon style in general. Ive seen both fail and ive seen both go 200k plus so its either in my opinion. I do like the idea of cast over plastic though for “toughness” aspect
@@MrMelvinkennedy1 I tend to agree and I appreciate your insight. I have a 2001 Mustang GT that runs like a top but I am getting ready to do this job as preventative maintenance. Did you have any trouble removing the camshaft sprokets i.e., the cam's didn't try and rotate? I assumed that you used the camshaft holding tool. I am watching your other videos and you have some cool stuff.
@@BlueOvalEdge ive never used the cam tool, if you are at TDC already the cams should move very little and if so then rotate them back easy so you dont over rotate
@@MrMelvinkennedy1 Interesting, so at TDC, you had no trouble removing the cam sprokets without the cams rotating? Keep up the good work buddy.
@@BlueOvalEdge yes Ive always been good with keeping cams from rotating however at times they will some you just have to rotate the back. If you are replacing the timing chain guides, tensioners etc… you should be fine with not removing the cam sprockets. They are typically in great shape however some go ahead and replace them while they are in there
Can you do this job without taking the intake manifold off while in the truck ? I can see taking the valve covers off. I have a svt lightning 5.4 2 valve 2004
It can be done but honestly removing the intake is the easiest part of the job as well as its a ton easier to remove the valve covers once it’s off and out the way
have you done a svt f150 lightning with the super charger same procedure? Thats what i have to do. are you close to north west Indiana ? 46373
@@itsmeray01 oh yea I didn’t catch the lightning. Timing would be same procedure but you have more to deal with as far as intake removal
I believe my chain jumped a few teeth and got out of time, not by much. How do i clock the cams back in position? 🤔
2v or 3v
2v
Its not off by alot but i can tell its off
@@texaspete817 if its a 2v and its off, pull the heads. Trust me it will save you a lot of time in the end. If you can tell its off its enough to bend the valves on a 2v
How to add chain without marks? What’s the best way to mark a unmarked chain?
Well if you are referring to reusing a chain then mark it with paint prior to removing it as long as it hasnt jumped. Otherwise I have not seen a new chain that wasnt marked yet. Some are just a lighter color that the other links which makes them harder to notice but otherwise never seen these chains with out marks
I have one im building now that i can count the link distances if needed to help you out
I’m gonna do this job on one of my crown Vics. Thank you for the video, straight to the point. Any tips other than what you mentioned in video would be much appreciated
Be patient, take it slow and reach out if you need any help.
@@MrMelvinkennedy1 will do! I’ll be getting started Saturday morning. Thank you again 🫡
@@TearItUpFixItTV absolutely
How do I line everything up to REMOVE old timing components??
I’m gonna be doing timing and head gaskets
@@TearItUpFixItTV if you removing the heads also the don’t worry about lining anything up until your going back together. Otherwise if it’s in good running condition line the crank up as showing in the pic and see where your marks are on the cams if it’s 180 out they will be the opposite of where they need to be but if the crank and cam marks line up like this video then your lined up
Sorry I forgot to say it's agt mustang gt 4.6 2v
Have you ever ran into a right side timing chain guide that doesn't fit right?
I have not
What kit did you use?
I always recommend ford oem products
Please More explanation about camshaft position timing
Nvm I took a screenshot… marks are 29 links apart
Ok awesome
No experience doing a 2V timing job..any timing job for that matter, but after following TDC steps my marks look just like what's in this video. Here's an e-high five 🙋♂️
Awesome. You got this!!!
@@MrMelvinkennedy1 can I use a cam holder tool and then just dig in on replacing timing components without removing followers? Read somewhere that said have the key way at 9oClock before removing timing chains. Is this true?
@@Logistican518 never used a cam holding tool in all my years, sometimes the cam can rotate but just rotate it back so the colored links are lined up. keyway meaning woodruff key then its more like 10-11 as you see in this video
@@MrMelvinkennedy1 Rd o
How do line up the dots
What do you mean?
@@MrMelvinkennedy1 how do I get the gears at the top to turn in the spot where it need to be and I took everything off only the bottom 1 is right ,the other 2 👇
@@michaelbrooks2741 the cam has to be turned for the gears to line up. Do not try this on a 2v without unbolting the head first unless its only like 1/4 turn
dear LORD get rid of those plastic timing tensioners those things are EVIL. they don't have ratchets in them so during cold starts the timing chain runs slack and it eats into its guides until oil pressure reaches them which can take way too long when its cold out. The iron ones have ratchets in them so they stay tense even without oil pressure. also check your pan and pick up tube for plastic bits from the timing guides being carved into.
Thanks for the comment. This is what i do for a living and the customers get what they pay for. Yes i always check for debris during any tear down. The plastic dont ratchet because they are spring loaded if i recall correctly so there is always a certain amount of tension even on cold starts.
@@MrMelvinkennedy1 ok sorry, it would seem I spoke from ignorance. also do you have any idea when ford started using plastic timing tensioner? Do you think my 99 grand marquis has them or are they iron?
If im not mistaking ford never used plastic, the plastic is aftermarket. i would say yours if factory is not plastic. i dont recommend using aftermarket parts but i give the customers the price difference and more times than not against my advice they go aftermarket and warranty reflects that.