I'm going to do this with a few small changes...I will use clear silicone tubing and make a larger vent hole in the cap, this way you can visibly see any oily build up in the tube. Not riding season here yet but when I get it done I will leave some feedback...Thank you for the video...Very helpful...
Hi ,Very similar to what I have done but what you must remember is that the black turn cap is just clipped on ,now that you have made a hole in the bottom to release pressure in to the dipstick body .pressure/oil mist can seep under the black cap. I sealed mine so the pipe is the only place for pressure to get out. Keep up the great work my friend. If it doesn't work a new dipstick is only 20 quid.
Thanks for the video but I think that the hole of tle ball pump pin is way to small if you consider the volume the piston are expelling. High flow in a small hole yield higher speed hence higher pressure that with a bigger hole.
Great video, I'll say one thing you do a good job showing people how to do things themselves and a hell of alot cheaper,if you go and buy all the aftermarket parts to fix the oil problems on HDs your talking thousands of dollars, keep up the good work 👍
Top work, great shout. I looked at all the options available to us in the UK from US and to your point, only really the fueling 1 that will post to the UK and the price is just crazy. Appreciate your vlog.
I know the fueling has a 1 way check valve and I know you mentioned this in your video. The A1 ventilator (not for softail) has the theory the engine breaths both ways to best to have it free flowing.
Cut the stick’s O ring off and carry a rag to wipe off oil as necessary! I had this on one of my old Honda Fours back in the day. Of course, it was laziness that allowed it to stay that way, I didn’t realize I was an early adopter in the crankcase ventilation world!
Thanks for the video. From the limited information I know any m8 engine stage 2 or higher recommend having a vent due to higher compression and possible dry sumping issues. Great cheap fix!
Thank you so much for this mod ! I'll wait a little bit to hear what your feelings are about this. The Feuling parts have been confusing a lot people lately :-)
I was gonna buy the Feuling one, but realized I could easily make one myself and save over 200$ doing so. My design is fairly similar to yours but the air passage is much larger. That air hole tube you used however is not large enough for pass through. The line needs to be 1/4th inch or larger. Demonstrate this by trying to breathe through that tiny tube, then go grab a juicebox straw. You can't breathe at all through that little tube, you'll pass out. You can almost breathe properly through the juicebox straw. Get a regular straw and you can breathe just fine. Same with the engine. That hole wont be large enough to let pressure pass through properly and will allow oil to channel up into the breathers. You arent going to notice much of a difference trying to let the engine vent through a hole meant to fill up soccerballs and basketballs slow enough that kids dont pop them.
Oil pump on 2020+ M8 bikes is supposed to take care of sumping issues. Oil transfer issue was mainly with hydraulic clutches on touring bikes. 2021 Softails have a vented transmission cover. No oil transfer on my FLSB that I've been able to discern, but, i've not taken her on a long run yet.
I have a 22 Road Glide Special I was doing 80 miles an hour for long periods Of time all of a sudden I felt like something was pulling my bike back like an anchor was attached. This happened two weeks ago this is a very weird feeling. So apparently sumping is definitely an issue.. I'm definitely going to get vented dipstick... The sumping issue was not resolved totally... You'll see when you do high speed for a long. Of time.
Thanks for watching. Let me know what you think in the comments below. More videos like this here: ua-cam.com/play/PLmgCmljtdCzWrLg62oZxo0laIsmq4j67P.html As an addition: You may experience oil seeping from the base of the black cap. This is because it isn't a sealed cap. So you can either put on o ring or gasket sealer or what I have done is place some cloth on the inside of the dipstick shaft after removing the black cap. This still allowing airflow but stop the oil coming out.
Cheers Neil. Yep it worked really well. It went through some variations but an inexpensive way to do it. I did some follow up vids I think too on it. Cheers
I'm still not sure what I'm going for, DK customs in the US make the EBS, still waiting for a reply on the total cost, they want $44 just for the catch can without any of the hose or attachments, once I hear back I'll let you all know. I've got to admit that you've done something that will do just the same job, Yeh not fancy but that gives you £300 to spend on something nice for your bike or the missus, depending what means more to you lol, but good fix Alf, at least you've got the confidence to try it for the rest of us, I just don't agree with having to spend over £300 on the bike, yes the feuling vented dip stick looks the part and is very well put together, but its one or the other, vented dip stick or the EBS, there's arguments for both options, I'm definitely going to be looking out to see how you're getting on with it and see if it actually does help, a very simple, cheap remedy and looks like it will work, excellent video Alf👍.
Great vids Alf, but u should mention that some of those football valves only work one way. So if u push it in to inflate ball the air won't expel back out. Therefore not what u would use for this application.
The first thing you may notice is that the dipstick will be easy to remove after a 40+ minute ride; prior you may have noticed it was hard to remove because of the pressure building in the crankcase!
@@RevelatorAlf For the past 18 months until last week, every time I went out on a 45+ min. ride I’d check my oil level but realize at least half the time the dipstick was difficult or even not able to be moved by hand. I assumed the plastic expanded and forced the oil out from the grooves in the stick and was hung up from expanding. Instead, pressure pushes up on the stick and makes it hard to turn.
Thanks for Sharing ,,,Just an idea ,, You can cut a Thin piece of Cigarette Filter and place it into the Top of Inflatable Head / Oval part to Stop anything Entering and just to provide a a Filtering Barrier.. Great Idea Alf..
Brilliant, only flaw I can see is that if for some reason you did get excessive oil through that system you could oil the rear tyre. Although I couldn’t see the exact routing on the video
But this venting is only required on the Touring range with hydraulic clutch which suffers from oil transfer from the gearbox to the primary. It’s not required on the Softails with a cable clutch
@@RevelatorAlf You miss this Revelator, the poster thinks his crankcase is vented already.. Yep Tom, your transmission was already vented at factory.. Revelator is talking CRANKCASE ventilation (though I don't think the dipstick method is the better way to do it)
I am trying to gather more data on this. I am producing another video for a homemade fix too and then determine whether it has any benefit or not. But I'll have to put some mile on it before there's any results. Cheers
So heres a lesson learned…I have a 2018 Road King M8 107ci. I routed my upper breather hose out of the stock air intake mod. When i screwed the cover back on, the vacuum hose i used got pinched between the cover & the air filter by accident. Well, went for a ride & it was running weird, oil light came on. Stopped at a gas station & decided to check the oil, unscrewed it & oil exploded all over me, the pump & the side of the bike was covered in hot oil. It blew half a quart out. I refilled it, removed the air filter & saw where it was pinched. I feel lucky that the head gasket didn’t blow. The pressure in the bottom end was unreal. It just shows how important it is for this engine to breath.
I $pent too much already on the H-D oil level/ temperature gauge dipstick. Someone should use your DIY vent technique on the super expensive temp/oil level dipstick. I want to add venting to mine. But I don’t want to drill my holes in the wrong places and destroy the electronics.
On ur video from a month ago , u r saying that there is no data that supports about the carbon build up , so u r giving an impression that don’t vent the cap because of sensors and data . But from other videos the vent pipe was add on because of back pressure in the crank case .
Yes, I clearly state in all of these videos that I am sceptical and I'm trying to generate some data and am only experimenting with these modifications to see if they work or not
@@RevelatorAlf can you do a how to external breather using a screaming eagle elite air cleaner. There's alot out there for other air filters but none for this application.
@@RevelatorAlf thanks for the reply Alf! Alot of guys and girls here in Sydney Australia have this set up but hard to find anyone here that want to help. Look forward to it when you get around to it.
Engine's and transmissions need to breath. The Greenies think you can just seal them up. Well you can't do that and not expect the norman venting action to take place somewhere and the current design is causing problems because it's venting through the intake and exhaust ports via the engine case. That's very bad in a dry sump engine design. Venting through the oil tank is not the best way to do it but it's better than no venting at all. The primary needs to be vented as well. If I had a new Harley Davidson (which I never will) I would install fittings on the engine, transmission, oil tank, and primary case with vent hoses attached to a proper breather box and filter.
Personally, I think the price of the store bought vented dipstick is ridiculous. A person truly has more money than common sense if they feel they must have one.
I put a fueling on my 2017 M8 bagger. I can assure you, the bike runs better.
You need to release the positive pressure. I am a believer .
I'm going to do this with a few small changes...I will use clear silicone tubing and make a larger vent hole in the cap, this way you can visibly see any oily build up in the tube. Not riding season here yet but when I get it done I will leave some feedback...Thank you for the video...Very helpful...
Hi ,Very similar to what I have done but what you must remember is that the black turn cap is just clipped on ,now that you have made a hole in the bottom to release pressure in to the dipstick body .pressure/oil mist can seep under the black cap. I sealed mine so the pipe is the only place for pressure to get out. Keep up the great work my friend. If it doesn't work a new dipstick is only 20 quid.
Yep cheers. I added that point to my pinned comment as forgot to mention it in video. I'll be doing a follow up video soon. Dipstick Mark II. cheers
Planning on watching the update video next. Incredible job with the explanations and examples. Thanks.
Thanks for the video but I think that the hole of tle ball pump pin is way to small if you consider the volume the piston are expelling. High flow in a small hole yield higher speed hence higher pressure that with a bigger hole.
Great video, I'll say one thing you do a good job showing people how to do things themselves and a hell of alot cheaper,if you go and buy all the aftermarket parts to fix the oil problems on HDs your talking thousands of dollars, keep up the good work 👍
Thanks so much Dj Cheers
Top work, great shout. I looked at all the options available to us in the UK from US and to your point, only really the fueling 1 that will post to the UK and the price is just crazy. Appreciate your vlog.
Cool, thanks. Glad you enjoyed
I know the fueling has a 1 way check valve and I know you mentioned this in your video. The A1 ventilator (not for softail) has the theory the engine breaths both ways to best to have it free flowing.
Yes could be right too. Cheers
Cut the stick’s O ring off and carry a rag to wipe off oil as necessary! I had this on one of my old Honda Fours back in the day. Of course, it was laziness that allowed it to stay that way, I didn’t realize I was an early adopter in the crankcase ventilation world!
ok cheers
Thanks for the video. From the limited information I know any m8 engine stage 2 or higher recommend having a vent due to higher compression and possible dry sumping issues. Great cheap fix!
Thanks so much. Yes that's the case I believe too. Cheers
Stage 2 is just a new cam ... I don't think it modifies the compression.
Thank you so much for this mod !
I'll wait a little bit to hear what your feelings are about this.
The Feuling parts have been confusing a lot people lately :-)
thanks so much Simon. Yes I'll be interested in the results too. Cheers
How is it confusing?
I was gonna buy the Feuling one, but realized I could easily make one myself and save over 200$ doing so.
My design is fairly similar to yours but the air passage is much larger.
That air hole tube you used however is not large enough for pass through. The line needs to be 1/4th inch or larger.
Demonstrate this by trying to breathe through that tiny tube, then go grab a juicebox straw. You can't breathe at all through that little tube, you'll pass out. You can almost breathe properly through the juicebox straw. Get a regular straw and you can breathe just fine.
Same with the engine. That hole wont be large enough to let pressure pass through properly and will allow oil to channel up into the breathers.
You arent going to notice much of a difference trying to let the engine vent through a hole meant to fill up soccerballs and basketballs slow enough that kids dont pop them.
Can always drill a bigger hole I suppose
@@RevelatorAlf I plan on using 12mm stuff for mine.
Are you selling this mod on line for a M8
Regards D
@@davidledward9820 I actually didnt go with this.
I went with the Trask CheckM8, and a Temperature Dipstick instead.
Much better combination.
Spacious gratitude. 🌸
You're welcome 😊
Another great Vlog Alf. After watching this, Ive just placed orders for parts to see if I can put together something. Let you know how I go.
Great stuff. Cheers
Oil pump on 2020+ M8 bikes is supposed to take care of sumping issues.
Oil transfer issue was mainly with hydraulic clutches on touring bikes.
2021 Softails have a vented transmission cover. No oil transfer on my FLSB that I've been able to discern, but, i've not taken her on a long run yet.
yep
I have a 22 Road Glide Special I was doing 80 miles an hour for long periods Of time all of a sudden I felt like something was pulling my bike back like an anchor was attached. This happened two weeks ago this is a very weird feeling. So apparently sumping is definitely an issue.. I'm definitely going to get vented dipstick... The sumping issue was not resolved totally... You'll see when you do high speed for a long. Of time.
Thanks for watching. Let me know what you think in the comments below. More videos like this here: ua-cam.com/play/PLmgCmljtdCzWrLg62oZxo0laIsmq4j67P.html
As an addition: You may experience oil seeping from the base of the black cap. This is because it isn't a sealed cap. So you can either put on o ring or gasket sealer or what I have done is place some cloth on the inside of the dipstick shaft after removing the black cap. This still allowing airflow but stop the oil coming out.
I have just subscribed. I'm combing through your vids trying to find your follow-up.
Help!
cheers
Class nice one Alf will wait on results before i do mine
Cheers David
Hi Alf, great idea mate. I appreciate this is probably an old video but I am interested in how effective the mod was. All the best mate.
Cheers Neil. Yep it worked really well. It went through some variations but an inexpensive way to do it. I did some follow up vids I think too on it. Cheers
great ideas, Alf. Appreciated!
Thanks so much Charles
can I get a video on the garage opener, you faithful subscriber
I'm still not sure what I'm going for, DK customs in the US make the EBS, still waiting for a reply on the total cost, they want $44 just for the catch can without any of the hose or attachments, once I hear back I'll let you all know. I've got to admit that you've done something that will do just the same job, Yeh not fancy but that gives you £300 to spend on something nice for your bike or the missus, depending what means more to you lol, but good fix Alf, at least you've got the confidence to try it for the rest of us, I just don't agree with having to spend over £300 on the bike, yes the feuling vented dip stick looks the part and is very well put together, but its one or the other, vented dip stick or the EBS, there's arguments for both options, I'm definitely going to be looking out to see how you're getting on with it and see if it actually does help, a very simple, cheap remedy and looks like it will work, excellent video Alf👍.
Thanks so much Sarge. Hopefully there will be some clear results one way or the other. Cheers
Great vids Alf, but u should mention that some of those football valves only work one way. So if u push it in to inflate ball the air won't expel back out. Therefore not what u would use for this application.
Yes great point actually although mine isn’t like that. Cheers
Love the fettling.....
ha ha Thanks Walter
What happens when you check your oil and you rotate the dip stick.
The first thing you may notice is that the dipstick will be easy to remove after a 40+ minute ride; prior you may have noticed it was hard to remove because of the pressure building in the crankcase!
Yes I've noticed it slightly but nothing major to be fair
@@RevelatorAlf For the past 18 months until last week, every time I went out on a 45+ min. ride I’d check my oil level but realize at least half the time the dipstick was difficult or even not able to be moved by hand. I assumed the plastic expanded and forced the oil out from the grooves in the stick and was hung up from expanding. Instead, pressure pushes up on the stick and makes it hard to turn.
Thanks for Sharing ,,,Just an idea ,, You can cut a Thin piece of Cigarette Filter and place it into the Top of Inflatable Head / Oval part to Stop anything Entering and just to provide a a Filtering Barrier.. Great Idea Alf..
Great idea! Yep that could work great
Brilliant, only flaw I can see is that if for some reason you did get excessive oil through that system you could oil the rear tyre. Although I couldn’t see the exact routing on the video
No risk of that as it is not near the rear tyre and the filter housing also acts as a catch can too. Cheers
@@RevelatorAlf excellent stuff 👍 does this breather issue happen on the 1200’s ?
@@daveb1242 I really don't know but this has been a growing issue with the M8s especially ones that have been upstaged. Cheers
Great stuff Alf, Do you think you could block the pipes in the air filter just to be on the safe side?
Block no, but bypass them yes. I am producing a video to cover this hopefully soon. Cheers
@@RevelatorAlf you’re top bloke. 👍🏻
Are you getting any oil leakage where the two halves of the dipstick snap together?
You’ll need to watch the update video. Cheers
I’m not mechanical RA at all, so forgive the niave question. The valve you used is one way, I.e, air in, is the problem not letting pressure out?
Actually in the end I just used an open valve. The long tubing allows for oil to drain back down too
But this venting is only required on the Touring range with hydraulic clutch which suffers from oil transfer from the gearbox to the primary. It’s not required on the Softails with a cable clutch
This has nothing to do with that Tom. Cheers
My 2021 streetglide trans. is already vented
ok great stuff
@@RevelatorAlf You miss this Revelator, the poster thinks his crankcase is vented already.. Yep Tom, your transmission was already vented at factory.. Revelator is talking CRANKCASE ventilation (though I don't think the dipstick method is the better way to do it)
Would like to know if it helps any
Wouldn’t we all
Life hacks baby
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT EXTERNAL BREATHER SYSTEMS
I am trying to gather more data on this. I am producing another video for a homemade fix too and then determine whether it has any benefit or not. But I'll have to put some mile on it before there's any results. Cheers
@@RevelatorAlf i've done this to my 07 fatboy. sing out for info.
Can you do a how to for external breather with screaming eagle elite air cleaner.
You have circle k stores in england?
We used to, not sure if any are left these days
So heres a lesson learned…I have a 2018 Road King M8 107ci. I routed my upper breather hose out of the stock air intake mod. When i screwed the cover back on, the vacuum hose i used got pinched between the cover & the air filter by accident. Well, went for a ride & it was running weird, oil light came on. Stopped at a gas station & decided to check the oil, unscrewed it & oil exploded all over me, the pump & the side of the bike was covered in hot oil. It blew half a quart out. I refilled it, removed the air filter & saw where it was pinched. I feel lucky that the head gasket didn’t blow. The pressure in the bottom end was unreal. It just shows how important it is for this engine to breath.
have you come across any temp.gauges for the dipstick? either analog or digital.
I do believe there are some on the market but I haven't really looked to be fair. Happy hunting
Fantastic 😍💋 💝💖♥️❤️
I $pent too much already on the H-D oil level/ temperature gauge dipstick. Someone should use your DIY vent technique on the super expensive temp/oil level dipstick. I want to add venting to mine. But I don’t want to drill my holes in the wrong places and destroy the electronics.
It's working so far, well my updated version is at least. Cheers
On ur video from a month ago , u r saying that there is no data that supports about the carbon build up , so u r giving an impression that don’t vent the cap because of sensors and data . But from other videos the vent pipe was add on because of back pressure in the crank case .
Yes, I clearly state in all of these videos that I am sceptical and I'm trying to generate some data and am only experimenting with these modifications to see if they work or not
6:56 ... 'a decorative one' = Willie G skull :)
ha ha perhaps
@@RevelatorAlf can you do a how to external breather using a screaming eagle elite air cleaner. There's alot out there for other air filters but none for this application.
@@alfiestory8011 I'm sure it could be done quite easily but I haven't looked at it in particular as of yet. Cheers
@@RevelatorAlf thanks for the reply Alf! Alot of guys and girls here in Sydney Australia have this set up but hard to find anyone here that want to help. Look forward to it when you get around to it.
@@alfiestory8011 OK cheers
Engine's and transmissions need to breath. The Greenies think you can just seal them up. Well you can't do that and not expect the norman venting action to take place somewhere and the current design is causing problems because it's venting through the intake and exhaust ports via the engine case. That's very bad in a dry sump engine design. Venting through the oil tank is not the best way to do it but it's better than no venting at all. The primary needs to be vented as well. If I had a new Harley Davidson (which I never will) I would install fittings on the engine, transmission, oil tank, and primary case with vent hoses attached to a proper breather box and filter.
Yep that seems the way to go for all around protection. Cheers
The same thing for the breather into the air filter....it isn’t a good thing....take a look
Yep got a video coming out soon to deal with that too
After paying $30,000 and then you have to use a vented dipstick… BS I will sell it in a heartbeat before I do that Harley get your shit together
Yep people been doing it for ages
Personally, I think the price of the store bought vented dipstick is ridiculous. A person truly has more money than common sense if they feel they must have one.
I tend to agree
The guys at fueling are good salesmen. That, & people are dumb
I think people just get convince that these things will make massive differences but reality is they are usually negligible. Cheers