Will this motorcycle mod make my Harley Davidson run better? | Feuling Parts Vented Oil Dip Stick
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- Have you heard about the Feuling Parts: Vented Oil Dip Stick? We hadn't heard about this mod until today & so glad that Brian shared a little bit about this new product! When we say new... this is a new product to US! We have heard that several riders had this dipstick installed last year & it isn't particularly NEW but we are just hearing about this Vented Oil Dip Stick.
We are heading to the 80th Sturgis tomorrow & will definitely be looking for Feuling Parts booth to check out their Vented Oil Dip Stick for the M8 Harley Davidson Touring motorcycles!! We reached out to Feuling Parts & they were only in Sturgis for a few days & we weren't able to meet up but definitely look for a future collaboration!!
We want to know... do it work? The price tag is a bit steep so... is it worth it? How much of a difference can be felt? Wonder what the dyno numbers would show??
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By all means pay almost $300 to try to remedy the problem with H-D’s lax tolerance issues. We already pay a premium for these bikes, quality should be built in.
EPA regulations create these problems. The vent is suppose to go into the intake according to the EPA. Harley is attempting to avoid another huge penalty. It’s a tight rope most would not want to walk.
NOA Performance & Design another $15 millions of fines for a small manufacturer is no small hit .
duane howard no, it’s not. Which is why they have made the changes they have. We, as owners, riders, builders, can then do what we need to. This vented dipstick is a high-quality fix. There are cheaper vented caps that work great but are clearly made from cheaper materials and don’t have the dip-stick.
Trask and Horsepower Ink make excellent external breather bolts that work with their Air Cleaners.
There never is a downside to relieving Crankcase pressure.
NOA Performance & Design why do the other brands have this issue figured out? Once again , I gues you pay for the Harley lifestyle of “ buy out bike, and make it functional at owners expence”🤷♂️
@@trucker-d4161 I don't know that other brands have this figured out. Hell even in HD Trucks, there are devices that alter the air sensors and the truck runs more efficiently. Since I am an admitted Harley Brand Whore, I don't really have a direct knowledge of other brands and the issues or non-issues.
The pressure built by a Square Bore 45 degree V-Twin is unique, would be my best guess. More Harley Buyers Mod there bikes from Stock? What other bikes make the leap in Mods? From Aircleaner to Exhaust, and a high percentage of Cams. Harley's slap down by the EPA, pushing them to vent from the heads into the throttle body. Oil cooled vs Liquid Cooled, meaning a higher Oil Volume may be necessary.
A stock Harley M8, Oil level at the correct level doesn't have this issue. Once we make a change, like better airflow, removing the Cat, it alters the pressure within the Crankcase.
Again, even stock, relieving pressure helps the engine run better. That is not specific to HD. But, it isn't a necessity on a properly maintained stock bike.
I have the A1 Ventilator for under 100 and it does the same job. It does make a difference for sure!
@@BeardedBavarianBiker. Quality is just fine and no drilling required.
The A1 cycle dipstick is just fine you don’t need a high-end dipstick! I just need one that works and A1 cycles I’ve had no problem with it and I’ve been running it since it came out!
So Ornery, meet this morning at Denny’s. Yes I got this vented dipstick and put it on today. Saw a great improvement in the spooling off the line in 1st gear. Love it!
Have this on my m8 heritage. Put it on 5k ago. Great product. Have noticed less blowby and a little less oil usage. Not sure if the less oil usage is from it but definitely worth it.
I have a 2017 M8 FLHTK, I took off my Gearbox Top-Cover, drilled a hole in the right upper corner pointing forward next to the rear exhaust, cut a thread with a 1/8 NPT tap, bought a 90 degree brass fitting at ACE (3$) and screwed it in with a bit of Teflon tape. Then mounted a rubber hose (1$) and routed it up under the seat and then finally gave it a black rubber-coated crank case filter (6$)to breath through. For 10bucks I had made my own Breather and it has been working EXCELLENT with no issues at all for more than 35.000 miles now.
You could by a Feuling Kit or a Trask Cover of’course,..I probably just ol’school and like solving s… myself ! 😉😜👍🏻
I’m looking forward to you all doing a dyno pull afterwards and see if it increased power due to less stress on the engine !
They have, it was minimal at best 1 horsepower increase but I must say I'm running a vented cap from bad monkey and the engine seems to just rev free....er? You have to reduce oil by approximately ½ quart.
We have these on our Performance Bagger and our 124HP Breakout 114 for over a year, it makes a huge difference. Incredibly high quality product.
How difference are you talking about? Can you be more specific please?
@@paulson9616 the biggest difference is Blow By through the Breather. This is all due to EPA Bullshit, that Harley has to vent these monster cylinders back through the intake. Once you raise the amount of air pumping, it causes too much oil into the vent system and there is valve train noise from the pressure. You can reduce oil volume and that helps but, oil is the coolant.
This vent completely relieves Blow By as a main factor. Secondary factors are; the valve train is quieter, you don’t have to lower oil volume and there is almost no oil going into the throttle body.
Installing exterior Breather Bolts fixes that completely. We use Horsepower Inc Breathers and they have a great solution.
@@TheNuckinFutts k. Thanks for the info. I currently rock with 20 m8 softail low rider s and on stage 2 set up with HD. I do not have an oil bypass( blow- by) issue so do you recommend to install vented dipstick? Second, i have installed Arlen ness inverted air cleaner kit when s2 is done so you are saying also recommended to do air cleaner breather kit as well?
@@paulson9616 on Stage 2, you should be fine with a Crankcase Vent. The dipstick is a great option, simply because the install is easy and Feuling has some features, like Butterfly Valve and pre-filter to keep oil from running out of the breather.
If you’re not getting oil Blow By on the filter, check your throttle body. I am not familiar with your Breather (I know the Breather but haven’t used it). If you don’t see excess oil, check your oil level, make sure you’re not running ½ qt or so low. Dealers have learned that trick to keep from having future issues.
Venting the Breather isn’t critical at Stage 2, unless you are crazy, like we are and don’t want any oil running through the combustion chambers. We started running these Dipsticks on every bike that vents the crank into the Oil Tank. The bikes seem to just run smoother.
@@TheNuckinFutts thank you so much on your professional opinion. I ll ck out the fueling vented dipstick. One question though, with catch can(small filter), where do you recommend to terminate n to secure? Under body right behind front tire- mid frame undercarriage vs at rear?
This is another compelling video to do this, I was unsure of it's worth but seen too many people explaining it properly now, cheers.
Makes sense , need to check on the warranty stuff. I feel the need for one.
No warranty issues with these.
Iam telling you guys when I pulled my plastic intake off my 114 and threw it in the trash I couldn’t believe how much oil was gummed up in the combustion chambers of the head I could take my finger and wipe it out and it was just covered with oil this should be coming UPS in the mail tomorrow and I can’t wait to see the difference it’s going to make because oil laying in the ports cannot be a good thing only two things should be in the heads air and fuel and my bike is a 2020 with 1500 miles on it.I will put a review on here in a week to see if this dipstick works
Hey, did it help you?
@@anthonyWiHDM8 yes worth the money
this is insane, a vented dipstick giving you gobbs of gains. the only thing i would recommend with the new motors is the wide band closed loop o2 sensors from screamin eagle for these bikes, even stock they ride smooth with a crisp throttle but they need a street tuner but worth the doe, throttle response is nice
This is one of the very first things im buying for my Fat Boy when I get it.
Just get the real fix instead, an external breather.
@@rebel_ltz This is actually a better solution because it stops the issue before it ever gets to the breathers. Meaning the breathers never need to be vented in the first place.
Oh Harley has a 4th generation oils pump . Had it installed when I had the stage 2 installed.
You would have to be a dipstick to pay 280 plus labor for a “ dipstick “
I would argue that you would be a dipstick to not pay for a high quality part like this. Feuling does not fuck around when it comes to quality.
@@TheNuckinFutts fucking drill and tap your stock dipstick
@@TheNuckinFutts were talking about a dipstick worth $280... just think about that for moment. Part that’s not even a necessity...
@@kitdman5749 and it’s installed on every bike we own. Once you start adding power, venting the crank case is very necessary.
The best option before this was by T-Man and required drilling into the dip-stick portion of the Trans-Case.
Feuling skips nothing in quality. Builders have vented their head vents back to the case and used this dipstick to vent it all.
Value is relative, we don’t do anything without thinking about it.
@@TheNuckinFutts i did my own venting on my 103 SG for less than $20 by tapping and bypassing the intake... i know fueling does not skip around on r&d but my issue is the price justified? How much raw materials they have to use and manufacturing in mass quantities which will save you a fuckton money to arrive in that price point? Cmon man...
If i am gonna buy a high priced vented oil dipstick from this feuling, at least they can supply either ss braided hose or black braided hose for cosmetic puropse.....
Oh stop!
If you want a steel braided hose go get one made up for it.
It’s there to serve a function.
Braided hoses just hold more dirt and are really meant for higher pressures.
i re did the breather tubes on my 2016 RK externally, just some tubing and a catch filter, there are videos, bike runs great, no more hot oily air going into motor cheep fix, the epa will ruin your motor if you let them
Hmmmmmm. My 111 makes tons of power, and doesn’t need all this to do it. Not diggin on Harley at all, they build good bikes, but damn man. It seems Harley, (and other big twin brands) are almost relying on the overpriced aftermarket parts market to make up for their sub par tolerances. We pay enough for our bikes, why not give us a bike that runs perfect from the start? Love your vids bro.
$280. That’s a joke. A1cycles. $100 all day. Same thing.
A1 is probably made in China. Does anyone know for a fact that, if the A1 product is made in China? And Fueling's product looks a little more intricate.
Does Fueling sell replacement filters? Is it worth $180.00. More?
Pan M8 everything is made in China.
@@tax905972 the Feuling one is made in China?
@@PanM8 nope!
Not sure about this dipstick but Denny’s Harley is the best place to buy a bike and I’m an hour and a half away from there.
You should try the Trask transmission Chase Cover with vent check them out it's about the same Cost and I think it's a better product that is what I am going to install on my 2017 road glide
I've done some research on the vented dipsticks and have found nothing but positive feedback especially for the m8s
I feel like the motor runs a tad bit cooler as well. Feel less heat.
The dipstick with the breather on cap what's the water proofing on that I imagine bike running pressure blowing out when bike not running out in rain will water gravity it's way down
Maybe Harley should just start buying their engines from S&S if they are that badly engineered. ARCH motorcycles does.
Small manufacturers can avoid the EPA on their ass better than an International Brand.
Mine doesn’t sump and I don’t over fill it.
duane howard great. I don’t believe over filling it causes sumping as much as it causes blow-by.
I'm watching thousands of late model Harleys on the Sturgis webcam.
I can't see all the broken down sumped bikes... maybe they drag them off the road when the camera isn't looking.
candlstudios We have 5 M-8’s, with no sumping issues in Stock and Stage 1. Bigger Cams add pressure, venting fixes it. It was always a very small minority of bikes impacted and very few has a serious issue. Most were discovered during fluid changes when the owner had no idea.
I have been to several rallies, including the World Record Parade, have yet to see Harleys being dragged off the road broken down. I would doubt it is being seen or covered up at Sturgis.
The power the M8 makes?😂😂😂
Can the hose from this be "T"ed into a breather intake catch can set up rather than having the filter at the end? That way if you are running both systems, you only have one, bi-functional outlet. What are your thoughts on this?
279 dollar dipstick. That shit better be magic !
Hmm $280 not sure about. Doesn't seem worth it to me. I've had a Pan, a Shovel, an EVO and 3 Twin Cams, never had a problem with my oil.
It's an M8 problem. I've seen people's pistons that are caked with carbon under 10k miles. Harley will say it's normal but it is absolutely not good for the pistons and heads to be covered with that much carbon. The reason HD will not recall is due to EPA regs. So vented to the heads it is
any government agency can screw up a one car funeral going down a one way street. EPA is no exception. the EPA engineer for motorcycle motors probably has a college degree in Theme park engineering. (and yes you can get that degree at Cal state) Epa said he is a engineer.
I have installed the A1 Cycles one, very similar but not that much fancy and not having the dipstick attached, so you need to keep the stock dipstick with you for oil checks. The A1 model is just a vent with a hose and filter at the end. Nevertheless, its no brainer and both work very well. I constantly check the blowby at the throttle body and see no excessive oil but just a little mist. HD can not put it stock b'coz of EPA. This setup MIGHT also be helpful to avoid oil sumping.
I just did the USD to AUD and that little baby will cost me $415.00 not counting shipping or Sunshine Coast HD installing it. The only night an day difference I can see is the gap in my wallet if I bought it. Once again great vblog TJ from Down Under.
There are cheaper ones made. The only difference is this one is authorized to be sold at HD so they put the HD markup on it.
Not likely it will. Just drill our the breather bolts ar the air cleaner a little. Or fix the issue properly not jus bandaid it.
It is not brand new. Have had one for over a year. Does it do any good ? Hell I don’t know but it looks good lol.
It’s a brand new product to us 😆 we are back in the woods 😂
The Ornery One lol yeah you are definitely in the woods.
Does this help prevent sumping?
Good stuff, thank you
What a salesman 😂😂ran so much better because I changed the dipstick. If you buy this, look in the mirror, now you will have two dipsticks.
lol
No sh%t.
I just installed one. Instant noticeable difference. The relief of pressure definitely helps.
Imagine someone paying $40K for a CVO, never mind that a special after taxes, plates could run around $30K and than you find out your engine has flaws and part of the remedy is a $300 dipstick. Don’t forget to hop over to DK Customs for a breather kit 😂
Not so much a defect as an EPA regulation making it so that Harley is not allowed to vent their crankcases as they did on models manufacture years ago. It’s spendy but I will for sure be adding one to both my FLSTC and FLHTK. Basically an expensive PCV valve for your Harley. I’m toying with the suggestion from a previous comment of running a line from the head breathers to the dipstick vent line. Kill two birds with one stone that way.
Nice unit but insanely high price for what it is. $150 range is much more realistic.
Totally agree.
A brand new bike you shouldn’t have to spend $280 on a vented oil dip stick because the motor make a lot of negative pressure wake up Harley and fix all the issues with your bikes your selling ppl this is your problem Harley your charging ppl $22k /$50k for these bikes that are failing 🤬😖
Paid 230.00 just ordered mine from fuel moto I was getting too much oil in my combustion chambers after adding a s&s 475 cam. If it works Money well spent.
We feel the same way... if it works than it is money well spent!
How'd you assess? I also added a 475 cam. Oil level would decrease? Black smoke from exhaust? Removed exhaust and visually inspected? Thx
mine didn't do anything as far as stopping blow by. truth is excessive blow by is the result of improper engine break in.
I have a 2020 heritage 114. Are these beneficial on a dry sump harley? seems as if there is the windage on the dry sump as the wet sump.
where is the white paper, the engine is designed to remove excess CC pressure and suck it into the Intake?
280? Nuts. This is like a catch can . I just bought one for my SHO . But, with tune, we’ll over 400 horsepower. But paid $140 for the SHO catch can.
This price is silly.
Harley and parts are becoming? Crazy prices. Maybe this is why they are in trouble?
Ok I call sht here as Denny rep, Brian says at 1;30 minute mark... It's not vent negative pressure, it's positive pressures that it is suppose to vent.. Nice the aftermarket (and better than A1's vented stick) is bringing products, quality for the item, but I don't see this as the best aftermarket product for the task it is designed for..
If I use a vented dipstick, would they oem head breathers be sufficient or do you also suggest ebs for heads too?? My dealer said anything not hd on bike could void warranty, and sc hd dealer said better to wait until warranty is over???? Can't imagine either part made by a quality supplier should void, only tune is downloaded to moco??? Thx!
The end would remove the hot air from the intake and some oil. I’d do both.
Actually the Consumer protection act states to void your warranty the manufacturer has to prove that a mod or part you installed on your bike CAUSED the problem. Hashed this all out when i asked my HD service manager if putting non hd stage one on my fatbob would void the warranty. At first he was yes it would (specifically the V&H fuel pack tune) when they hooked it up to thier computer and is reported to HD. When pressed he admitted what i said before. Now would you have to get a lawyer to fight it? Possibly, but thats the way it is.
@@rtritt4427 wrong post?
@@danfecke nope, i was referring to Kelly's statement that any non HD parts could void a bikes warranty.
Thank you all for replies, moco denied my 2017 transmission warranty when tuner was flagged, didn't have time/$ to hire lawyer, but I admit my fault but now have foul taste in me for HD and local dealer, more $$ now goes elsewhere!! Thx, ride safe and thank God for quality aftermarket vendors!!!!!!!
Putting oil in a catch can / breather tube under the motorcycle, in front of the rear wheel is a horrible idea.
Perfect, how would you design it? 😀We are no engineer.... clueless!
If u drop your bike, because u rode over a few drops of oil,u need a trike.
I too have A1Cycles Ventilator! Has some good videos on his website explaining the excessive blow by on the M8’s and has gauges showing the difference in pressure after installing
When Stage 2 installed, Dealership installed HD fix for Pressure/Vent Tube (overflow hiccups out via tube) - guessing this does same job as this DIP STICK?
Yes
Yes ,,, have had all my harleys Dyno by the best at his job ,, and never have i heard need a better dipstick
is the filter cleanable
The filter is stamped K&N on the metal top piece of the filter. So it is serviceable. I have the dipstick, I will say it's a pain to check oil with a bassani 2 into 1 exhaust.
I like the concept, But 280$ WTF.
Meh. Got 10,500 miles on my M8 so far and it runs great...without that pricey gimmick.
ChadYvette Heiman, just turned 12,200 miles yesterday on a 2019 RGS. No problems either. The only thing done to mine was, the breather on the primary. I had oil migrating from the transmission to the primary. The dealership put the vent in, at about 4000 miles.
Stock motors,?
@@brianmaclennan561 my bike is still stock. And plenty of power two up. I am almost out of the two year warranty. No problems so far. Only the trans. oil moving to the primary. The vent installed in the inner primary, seems to have fixed that issue. I have about 8000 plus miles since they installed the vent. If I keep the bike, I am planning to install the D&D 2 into 1 exhaust, 468 Redshift cam, plate and oil pump. Don't know which tuner to go with yet. Or I might just leave it alone.
I bet if you look at them pistons they are fucked up with carbon buildup. HD fucked up with this blowby issue and they are passing the buck to us. They don't want to take responsibility but it will come back around. You can get a vented dip for way less than these clowns.
mine has 20,000 with a stege 3 runs great
If you are porting or punching out your mill, have your machinist open up your head drain holes
* "Anything non- complaint" to the EPA stipulations "voids" the warranty.
compliant
@@MrPAULONEAL
Even if it were, I would not opt in using.
What a joke! You pay 30k for a motorcycle. Then you have to buy a special dipstick to prevent oil blow by.
Did you ever get one?
Ran one for two years I don’t know if it works . Side of my bike was still covered with oil and the other day I put the Trask on hopefully that works . 🤷
$300 no thanks ! Just put an External Breather from heads and be done with it for $50.
Harley Davidson R&D should watch this...
Funny thing is that Harley USED to vent their dipsticks!!!
@@steveo7767 you would think they would revert back to venting them or at least find a solution. But thanks for sharing the video and I have just placed an order for one. 😁🤙
@@This_is_My_Story Harley can't vent the crankcase to atmosphere anymore. The EPA stopped that sometime back in the early 90's. The late Evos through today have to vent crankcase pressure back into the intake. And theoretically, it gets burned. But usually it just makes a mess of the filter. Or drips after the rubber flaps get weak in the rocker boxes.
He sounds just like James Yeager.
Brian at Denneys?? 😂
You sound just like James Yeager. He is the owner/operator of Tactical response. Alas, he rides a street glide.
@@sammully0321 yes he does, only he doesn't cuss so much lol.
No, no he doesn’t. Haha 😆
Venting crankcase to the air does not make EPA happy. Harley needs to design their motors properly so customers to not have to fix all the bugs. GM use this state, americans buy everyone with make and let the public find all the bugs,”.
All motors are designed this way dumbnuts.
I understand that the EPA is the culprit and has put all internal combustion engine companies in a world of hurt, but in all seriousness why doesn't Indian have these problems? They seem to have worked it out.
Should be a recall from HD and fix this blowby problem. Or just wait for the Class Action lawsuits
It is a warranty item. The dealer drills a hole inside the primary and instalsl a vent system.
Bandaid . HD build it right the first time
Harley builds it right under strict regulations. The EPA is a monster on their back.
@@TheNuckinFutts 100% correct, but it seems people do not want to accept that, just want to bitch and blame Harley. With all of HD's problems (real or conceived) they still build a very high quality motorcycle if maintained properly.
HD Dynarider45 thank you. I never understand the bitching without a full thought process. This is an International Brand attempting to build some of the largest displacement bikes that recognize the heritage and design culture instilled decades ago, while balancing every regulatory requirement of nearly every Criminal, Extortionist Governments on the planet. The bike, off the showroom floor, vents the crankcase through the throttle body with little issue, if you maintain it. My wife’s 2020 CVO SG, is bone stock, she loves the power, no complaints. My bikes are all performance modified to some degree and I know I have to vent the crank case better. This product makes it really easy, it is built with excellent quality. The Cats at Feuling are some of the best machinists on the planet. They are in an area with abundant aircraft and spacecraft grade experience.
@@TheNuckinFutts Nailed it! Off topic however, Fueling recommends using conventional oil. I bought new a 2018 HD Ultra Limited and at the 1000 mile service I switched to Lucas full synthetic. The bike runs great no problems at all with 25,000 miles now, I service it myself exactly to the HD service manual. Would using the vented dipstick cause a problem with using this oil? I'm not changing oil types or brands, too many miles to be doing that. I can't think of a reason other than putting synthetic oil into a fresh motor could cause the rings to not seat properly. BTW the way just subscribed to your channel.
HD Dynarider45 appreciate you subscribing. I run synthetics without any problem, at all. I am calling Feuling later today on an unrelated matter. It could be that because their oil pump and cam plate push so much more oil volume through the system, the expense of synthetic isn’t necessary. I am also curious if synthetic has the same thermal conduction properties as high grade oils. I know synthetics are more resilient to high heat. But, do they cool better, being that these engines are oil cooled? Testing my bikes from engine temperature to oil temperature, I find a 60 to 80 degree difference from Engine Temp to Oil Temp, using S&S oil pump and cam plate. I have it on good authority, Feuling is even better.
how much horsepower does it add?
No what it's for.
7:48 in the video. This guy can "feel" the performance difference? Can't wait to see the dyno numbers.
Harley will not warranty if they don't know you put it in the dealer shouldn't even be able to sale them not EPA approved.
What is this witchcraft!
A $280 dipstick. Seriously.
They can't even show any proof if solves any problem. It's all "just makes sense".
Sounds like epa is gonna go after Harley again.
If Harley Davidson knows this why didn’t they add this why do I have to add it to my bike
EPA...
NOA Performance & Design what does epa have to do with a filter breather oil cap
Jaime Arceo the EPA designated the venting through the heads into the intake. Venting the Crankcase directly is not allowed by the EPA.
The video mentioned it, in part.
Your intro is way too long
This video shows you nothing diagnostic….
no crankcase testing proving crankcase pressure or vacuum……
just a sales video.
It’s funny how all the Harley guys have so many ways to make a Harley function the way all other brands work out of the factory. It’s the “Harley lifestyle “ make the owner, get the bike to run, because we couldn’t get it right at the factory “ and you guys fall for it every time. You just par and pay to make a bike function properly. Isn’t that why you overpaid for your Harley?
To pricey for harley brother's, the dude is a thief.
Looks like a scam sorry folks. This is not needed if you take care of your bike per owner manual. Period. Ride Safe all!
Are you get a bike as well don’t you for that
🤣😂🤣😂🤬🤬🤬
This makes absolutely no sense. Say you have a water pipe leaking from the faucet, instead of fixing the faucet, you drill a hole in the pipe to lower the pressure.
Relieves crankcase ventilation in the bottom of the motor.
Brian MacLennan , I know the purpose, I’m saying it shouldn’t need it if it’s operating properly.