The Pomson 6000: Engineer's Worst Item
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
3:18 Pomson History
6:58 A Brief Overview
11:07 The Projectile
20:13 Damage
28:20 Class Matchups
43:42 Strategies and Tips
49:52 MVM
53:04 Fixing the Pomson
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Songs Used (in order of appearance):
Dust Devil - D-Code (Adult Swim 2001 Pools Theme song) - Extended Version
Dearly Beloved - Kingdom Hearts II OST [Extended]
Honeyhive Galaxy - Super Mario Galaxy
Miami Hotline Vol.3 - Demonicity
Super Mario World Game Over LoFi Hip Hop Remix
Terraria Calamity Mod Music - "Guardian of The Former Seas" - Theme of Desert Scourge
Donkey Kong Country 2 - Stickerbush Symphony
Chrono Trigger OST - Secret Of The Forest
Epic Pomson Frag Montage Music - Cetto~ on my Discord server
Wario Land 4 music- 40 Below Fridge
Kingdom Hearts II OST - Sinister Sundown
Terraria Calamity Mod Music - wasteland - Theme of The Sulphurous Sea
Animal Crossing New Leaf OST - Kicks
Kanye West - On Sight (for like 2 seconds)
HOME - Tides
Pomson Anime OP - Cetto~ on my Discord server
Donkey Kong Country 2 - Forest Interlude [Restored]
Machinarium Soundtrack 09 - The Black Cap Brotherhood (Tomas Dvorak)
Undertale OST - Spear of Justice
Team Fortress 2 Soundtrack - More Gun (Version 1)
Volcano Theme (New Super Mario Bros.) - Paulygon Remix
Donkey Kong Country - Aquatic Ambience [Restored] OLD MIX
Creo - Sphere - Ігри
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It decreases 20% cloak not 10% this video is literally unwatchable
Reupload it or i will cry in the shower
How dare you
I want a 5 minute video going into detail on this stat alone as compensation.
Smhing my head how could you
I am shaking and crying rn how could you
Imagine how bad the other 5999 pomsoms were before they settled on the 6000th model
Cow mangler must've been hell if so
The first 1000 just exploded the second you used them
@@RedHasDied Ullapool caber moment
i wonder how good pomson 6001 is then. i bet it has 1201HU projectile speed
all the previous pomsons were actually OP so the 6000th one was a big nerf
Years back I unlocked this in a MVM server and everybody spammed the chat telling me how I had unlocked the best weapon in the game... _and I believed them._
Pure evil..
It was me
@@loganc1586i did it like this!
@@loganc1586"IT WAS ME BARRY"
@@twinzzlers “Lightning speeds”
The fact that there's a timeline not far from ours where a weapon called "the mule molester" was added to the game is kind of hilarious to me.
Tbh it fits scout's personality, he is a molester after all (according to some cosmetic).
tc2.
@@WosatoTheMoronTeam Counter 2????
@@epikberman7756 typical colors 2
@@WosatoTheMoroneww roadblocks
gotta love how the rescue ranger almost matches it in damage, is easier to hit, and its utility is actually useful
Heavydeath.mp3
But does it have infinite ammo???
@@bawower474 Doesn't matter how many bullets you fire if none of them hit the target
@@hazeltree7738but it has infinite ammo
@@pissthrower4477 but it doesn’t matter how many bullets you fire if none of them can hit the target
I think the reason for a number of "hidden stats", like the Pomson doing less damage than the shotgun, is that it doesn't have 20% decreased damage. because it isn't a shotgun, it's an "indivisible particle smasher". the Pomson is not a shotgun that does 80% the damage of a normal shotgun, it's an IDS that does 100% damage for an IDS
the name of the weapon type is often viewed as just flavour but i think that historically Valve has taken it seriously
same is true for the shortstop
@@ralphthejedimaster exactly. there's no place in the game to look up what a "peppergun" exactly is because there's no way to look up what a shotgun does
will they add more pepperguns? who knows. but there's a basic model of pepperguns to follow now, should they ever want to make more
@@Kjellbot Exactly right
Just like for the flare guns, which also replace a shotgun
yeah that is definitely a bit of an issue with how the devs approached these tooltips. Some of these alternative weapon choices like the Huntsman don't have any descriptions to this day, even though a lot of attributes can still be pretty directly compared to stock. Listing every difference might indeed be too much, but a basic summary of the weapon "type" up top wouldn't hurt. Including for loadout options like the buff banner which sacrifice the weapon slot for other tools.
47:15
The best weapons to use with the Pomson is the ALT pistol and the F4 Wrench
F10 pistol and Enter wrench is better
I love using those weapons in servers with furrys
This video was so well made that the whole experience felt like 20 minutes despite it being just over an hour!
this video is 1 hour long yet it felt like 10 minutes idk how
Honestly! I was sorting mtg cards while this played in the background and it made my sorting go faster lmao
because its 82% padding
i mean seriously how does one even produce an hour of content about a pea shooter without cheating
totally
@@takatominemoto7703 anime is also 82% padding
@@takatominemoto7703
1 - what proof do you have about him cheating
2 - even if he was cheating that wouldn't have made the video feel shorter or longer
Let us all pay respects to our tf2tuber friend Fishtank, who got a whopping 24 KILLS IN A ROW with this shit weapon! He did well!
To be fair, he got a godlike with even the liberty launcher. But at least thats a functional weapon.
salutes to funni doug man
Whit kritz med but still epok
@@alargeredlizard3003 I always thought what would have happened if they just removed the damage reduction from the liberty launcher.
@@coolguyamron it would be the straight upgrade and the fuckin meta
The random Crits bit was incredible padding. Legendary padding even, this entire video is so padded it's crazy. You are the padding master.
Here’s a rebalance ideo for the pompson:
-remove the -10%uber charge
-remove the +22% damage penalty against buildings
-add the ability to remove sappers on hit
rescue ranger but anti spy
As if spy doesnt have enough shit to deal with
@@stars_world139 Yeah ik but It would give the engineer an alternative to the rescueranger.
I really like this idea, as the lower self-defense capabilities of the pomson would allow spies to take down the engineer with their revolver, making spy/engineer interactions more interesting instead of just harder for the spy in every way
It needs the 22% building damage to make sense with the other laser weapon
I'd give the pomson reverse damage falloff on top of increased projectile speed as a way to secure its place as a longer range primary. Also one good thing about the pomson is that its great aim training for hitting direct stock rockets, since it has almost the exact same projectile speed with no splash damage.
But isn't the point of the stock rocket launcher is taking advantage of splash damage as much as possible? Sure directs are useful but the direct hit is far better for that.
@@thunderspark1536 anytime people are mid air or even just have high ground on you, you need to hit a direct or you do no damage. If want you want to play soldier at his max capacity with the stock rocket launcher or anything other than the direct hit and liberty launcher you need to know how to hit directs.
Heres my solutions
Increase base firing speed to match stock
Increase projectile speed to match the direct hit
Make base damage 70, make maximim rampup 150% (105 damage) and maximun falloff 80% (56 damage)
And remove the cloak and uber drain
Boom its basically the direct hit for engineer now, it could be a good battle engineer weapon
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 I think the problem here is that maybe the engineer shouldn't have a good long range weapon, with the addition of his sentry. I agree with the projectile speed buff, but if the engineer can fire upon a soldier spamming out his sentry from afar, it would make it even harder to drop a well guarded sentry nest. So I say the damage is fine, we just need the projectile speed buff
@@thatcreepykid123 Ultimately "engineer shouldn't have a good long range weapon" is why Valve broke the Pompson and never looked back.
They're so nervous about the Engineer getting decent range that the Wrangler is your best option, and using the Wrangler requires not only shutting off your sentry's auto-aim, but the player being occupied at all times they're using it.
I think even improving projectile speed would be a leap too far for Valve just based on how it works, not without matching the average DPS of the shotgun at longer ranges (spread AND falloff). If they're going to ever buff it again, they'd probably increase falloff to counterbalance any buffs and keep it useless.
He actually did it. What a legend
Man... I remember when this gun first came out. Pierced enemies, was fun to shoot at choke points, did alright damage for what I wanted from it... I miss that old baby
Pomson used to actually Penetrate buildings and friendlies.
But they changed it because the pomson's projectile become invisible after colliding with a friendly hitbox, whether it is a player or a building.
This, guys, will 100% be a masterpiece.
Already a masterpiece
@@smorf1385 in what way exactly? Because it is an hour long? The video itself is just him saying something, then repeating what he just said in a different way. It could have been much shorter. And it's not even funny or clever. Overall just a waste of time.
@@jachymhajek9700 :(
@@jachymhajek9700 might be news to you but that's the whole point
@@-mako-6018 to waste time and be boring?
You need just two measly adjustments to make this weapon work.
1: Make the projectiles penetrate multiple enemies like Bison.
2: Add a special condition where projectiles deal mini-crits to overhealed players.
Done. You have a weapon that is extremely better against medics and their targets but sucks against other classes.
Crits are a bit much, but mini-crits on overhealed targets would be pretty cool, though.
@@marflepop1745 yeah that'd be cool. 126 hp scout = H A H A H A, O K T O B E R F E S T
@@alargeredlizard3003 nobody would use it cause the projectile would still be too slow lol
@@marflepop1745 true, but it would be better
Yeah let’s fuck over the few people that pick medic for no reasons. This change is dogshit
the "audio jungle" at 25:10 knocked the wind out of me
I love how you can hear the SOS in morse through out the intro.
"The Mule Molestor 600"
Finally, my kinda gun!
Also respect to the Calamity music, they're real bangers.
"The bull fucker 500"
Why should i use a gun to do what i can do with my bare hands?
Calamity OST goes crazy
@@TSFCParodies the bison smasher 400
@@kk2862 "the cow diddler 700"
8:36 funny thing that happened to me once, my friend and I were doing a stupid gimmick, where I was a permanently revved up heavy, and he would follow me around and whip me, and during our shenanigans, he random crit a spy that was about to backstab him, right before I could warn him about it.
It does weird crap like that, but i cant hit my team mates 30% of the time with it lol
That’s funny.
I haven't played TF2 for over a year, but this was still a fascinating listen! I put it on in the background while working on a custom prop for a map I -will never make- hope to make in the future.
*The Pomson* - *The Movie*
We are witnessing history in the making, many years down the line we will tell stories about TheWhat Show’s Pomson video and we will pass it onto the next generations beyond us.
You know you’re a mad man when you listen to a whole hour of a guy ramble about a bad gun in a game and know the music that plays in the background without a need of an description
Whats the music
@@alargeredlizard3003
It’s been almost a month, I’m assuming you looked at the description at this point.
i did it twice!
if the pomson still passed through teammates it would at least be a support fire option for chokepoints
BRO HEAL YOUR BUILDINGS YOU'RE GIVING ME ANXIETY AHHH
15:38 that projectile FF bug also applys to medic's base syring guns as well you can bet body blocked by allies
Ive a personal record as of writing these 166 kills on my pomson
Thank you for allowing me to add my well documented points to such a big project
Also love the kh theme lmao
Surprised next to no one saw this.
I adore your editing, it’s just so.. hard to describe. It feels like I’m being let in on several inside jokes. It’s wonderful.
Its almost the anniversary of thewhatshows 20k Pomson special. Yay!
Fun fact: I spent my first 300 hrs with Pomson, Short Circuit and Southern Hospitality, cause they were respectively my first unlocks, and I loved Engineer! Still am an Engi main!
Somehow...
On second thought, maybe this fact wasn't fun...
I would have quit within the first 10 hours with that loadout, you have way more resilience then me
At least the short circuit and southern hospitality is good
as engi you dontreally use shotgun that much so its not that crazy
thewhat called it the worst loadout for engi LOL
This made me look back at my old notes for TF2 weapon ideas/fixes, so here’s what I basically had for the Pomson:
- Remove uber/cloak draining effects
- Bring back player penetration (rebalance damage accordingly)
- Increase projectile speed
- No reloading required when next to a dispenser
I’ll admit that last one is kinda bizarre and might even be overpowered while pushing a payload cart. I can’t remember my reasoning behind that attribute. These notes are literally years old lol
I made a 4000 word document with tf2 weapon rebalance ideas
Heres what i wrote for the pomson
Increase base firing speed to match the stock shotgun (0.625 second interval instead of 0.8)
Increase projectile speed to 2000 hammer units per second
Increase base damage to 70
Increase damage ramp-up to 150% from 120% (105 max damage)
Reduce damage fall-off to 80% from 52.8% (56 minimum damage)
Remove cloak and uber drain mechanics
Update the projectile to make critical shots distinct
I honestly forgot it didnt penetrate. So bring that back and make the damage fall off in percentages whith each player it hits or something? Idk why theyd give a gun meant to originally meet a medic through a crowd of people into whatever it is rn
I've always wanted there to be some interaction from being close to a dispenser.
Like a super weak sentry that doesn't need to be replenished if within a radius of the disp
Definitely one of my more favorite tf2 videos now and it was really enjoyable to watch, plus I like the voice and humor a lot so that also adds to it.
I loved the little edits in the video footage you were talking over
Great video! One critique: I think you glossed over the history section of the pomson too much, and why it was changed/nerfed into the gun it is now. Pomson at launch wasn't a particularly great weapon, but it was definitely a threat to medics/spies with both penetrating projectiles and no fall off on the drain.
Yeah, I vaguely remember it actually getting some play back before it went to shit
Same for the Bison, people really liked the attempt at something truly different.
i remember it was just unfun to loser uber and cloak from such a spammy weapon.
@@overxgaming7948 medic main can confirm. Your pocket couldn’t body block it and ten percent Uber drop can be a death sentence. Still remember it and I haven’t played in years.
personally i think the speed should be buffed to 6000 hu/s. because. you know.
Lmao
Pov: funni hitscan
Fun Fact: thats actually 2x faster than the Manmelters proj speed
@@alargeredlizard3003 Fuck, why even make it a projectile at all at that point?
It's basically fuggin hitscan anyways at THAT speed
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 yes, that was indeed the joke
I unironically love the pompson, I have fond memories of sentry jumping behind enemy lines and spamming the pomson
Your editing style is so cool :)
Cant wait to see the waves of pompson users when this comes out
I don't have a Pomson, but I could try to ask TheWhat Show for like ehh 3 Pomsons 5999.
both of them are going to be very happy
My friend scrapped a lot of items to make an engineer primary. He was aiming for the widowmaker or the rescue ranger. He got the pomson.
oof
Nice growth man :D
Damn. Kinda wish Scout and Medic got their own Dr. Grordbort weapons.
Just imagine if Scout was the one that got a jetpack. As if he has enough mobility already.
The legend of the Pomson 6000.
37:45 WTF the uber drain has falloff??? thats fucked. spamming it down chokes at medics was like the one thing I thought it was good at...
it is great at dustbowl last as the choke is so far away you get to spam it from far and deal 32 damage from relative safety
when I've had a bad day i come back to watch this video, thank you for making this piece of comfort.
I enjoy that you put in a song frequently used by Fish after playing his video clip.
If you can make a 1 hour long analysis of the POMSON interesting, which you certainly did, that's how you know you're good at this.
This is honestly one of the best recommended videos that has ever appeared in my feed. I will definitely be checking out the rest of your uploads later.
darn, your channel has grown quite a bit, considering that a year ago you made a 20k sub special. keep it up gamer.
Subbed because your a man of your word, pretty rare for a UA-camr
i fully trust you to make the best tf2 video on the planet rn
This weapon has never made sense to me with it's gimmicky stats outside of 2 uses.
1. When this thing used to be a discount bison, it functioned like one, and was actually relatively good for the lazier or more chore-focused engineer. The damage was fairly good for what you could get at that range for Engi and what made it work was the piercing projectile, since Engi will more often be amidst or behind the majority of his team in most situations.
2. The cloak drain is a neat idea, I enjoy a weapon that makes Engi's job an easier one. It assists dealing with 1 specific nuisance to the class (like the southern hospitality) while being more different to other primaries. It being a projectile alone helps hit cloaked spies too.
Didn't it used to be that the Pomson was Engineer's most BUSTED weapon? I swear it used to be godly before it was nerfed into the dirt.
Flew too close to the sun I suppose.
The Pomson was a mediocre against most classes but its drain mechanic made it annoying for medics and spies to fight, so it got nerfed into the ground.
@@muddashucka9743 you mean balanced they definitely balanced it right we should let them rework the weapons again cause they definitely don't nerf all the weapons to fuck with us cause y'all are big cry babies welcome to generic shooter #323774
@@jackingwads7513 It's unclear what your point is
@@muddashucka9743 you could've just said "Bison activity" and he probably would have understood
That spin move you pull on the scout has me in tears. What an epic Pomson ENGINEER moment!
It's an honor to have my fanart featured as the first in the credits.
With one tweak of literally just a speed increase of the projectile, this would be not bad, but no.
Omg I actually REALLY wish those Scout and Medic crossover packs would have been added, they look really cool, especially the medic one I think
3:53 New memory unlocked.
Of course now that we have the pompson covered it’s best we head to the bison and man-melter soon.
It was a pleasure providing art and the animation bit for the video, it was worth the wait, congratulations Thewhat
This seems like an extended bad weapon academy episode + some background lore
This was the best hour of my life I want back
Out of all of the weapons in TF2, you decide to make an hour long video on the pompson?!?! Perfection.
Loved every single second! I can’t believe how much time you got to analyze one weapon. You are amazing man!
I would like more 1 hour weapon reviews pls. much love was gr8 m8
I love how you can spot every aspect in this video used to extend it, from the unnecessarily long pauses to the random side tract rambles he goes on here and there.
For me it comes at 11 pm so i will have to watch it up to midnight. But i know it will worth it.
Could you imagine if somehow by some miracle Valve releases an update and somehow makes the Pompson the new best weapon for engineer with TheWhat going..
_all that work.._ *ALL THAT WORK?!*
The guy behind the +70,000 pomsons meme here, great job with collecting
To be fair, they could bring back the bullet penetration property, just making it so the weapon's effectiveness is halved per enemy target penetrated (so you cannot just mow down chokes with a Kritzkrieg, and it would still allow regular friendly penetrating)
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO
For my personal rework of the pomson, I always thought it could be more like a shotgun, make it shoot three lasers at once, all dealing about 30 at max rampup(making it about 90 for a meatshot) and a small speed buff. I’d remove the Uber and cloak drain mechanic, and make falloff still applicable but take twice as long as it does now to come to max falloff.
The fact most of the current issues would be completely resolved if it was just made hitscan is just crazy
This is actually a really good video essay, even if it was made because of a meme.
Also I love your use of the terraria/terraria calamity soundtrack. Amazing, keep it up
Imagine if Valve suddenly updated the game and buffed the Pomsom. Making this entire video irrelevant.
Finally a review for the best weapon in the game
The kingdom hearts intro made me sub, can’t believe I didn’t start watching this channel sooner
25:11 That "audio jungle" scared the life out of me
I think I remember that the pompson also used to pierce through buildings, even your own, I remember just staying behind a dispenser and just spamming left click, making the projectile invisible and people getting vaporized
I await for this masterpiece to be revealed
I first watched this cchannel at 400 subs its amazing to see how fast its grown
The pomson when the pomfather comes in
The question is: would the projectile be faster or slower? Older pomson would suggest either an upgrade or an increase in height, but older age could also mean slower movement.
4:45 laughed out loud the comedic timing on the wot wot coming back xD
So excited to watch the rest thank you!!
idc how bad it is it has one of my favorite designs so i love it for that and i love how janky it is. its a love to hate it kinda weapon, just gotta respect how bad it actually is sorta like how you love to watch that one terrible movie cause its so bad its fun to watch.
I finally understand now why the righteous bison is in the background of a panic at the disco music video
Ad mortem sic vita fluit, velut ad mare flumen. Vivere nam res est dulcis, amara mori. Restituunt furtum fures, vi rapta, latrones. Omnia mors aufert, restituitque nihil. Latus ad occasum, unquam rediturus ad ortum. Vivo hodie, moriar cras, here natus eram.
Such a great video! Awesome editing! Perfect! *Get this man to 30k!*
Would be cool if he made something like this on 30k. *Wouldn't it?*
Now hopefully the pomson will have some light spread onto it, now we must flood servers
Great now for 100k I want a 24 hour long video about the Pomson
Never thought that while watching a random hour long video of the pomson I'd see me and my friends at 18:00 Good video
I can in fact confirm this is my worst item
Nah the worst item is the passer of gas owned by the pyromanic class
@@susragejr477 the horse piss canister is for pyro, I am the engineering character class from team defense fort the sequel
@@justvacuumingaround9309 ah yes, the pompson model 6000 owned by the engineering class from squad fortification the continuation made by the valve company
Just the way god wanted
This dude milks watchtime with those transitions
It brings me back to those 2 am school nights where an essay was due tomorrow
Fire in the hole? nah. Buff. The. SPEED!
I really like this idea on how to buff the Pomson! However, I feel like we should shoot for getting the projectile speed to 900HU :)
With a pomson 6000
A good (in my opinion) point to balence from is damage, compared to stock, how much damage does it do, more? Does it’s downsides counteract that? Less? Do it’s upsides compensate? The family business does less damage, but fires faster and has a larger clip, being able to aim more shots means more max damage, but it’s not overpowered!
Love how you can hear a “audio jungle” sound in the music at 25:10
That =3 transition took me back