SECRET TO HISTORIC CALVES | Q&A WITH GOLDEN ERA LEGEND TOM PLATZ

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  • @jamescowan1313
    @jamescowan1313 6 років тому +1404

    Tom basically said in the nicest way possible; People got lazy and started relying on drugs more than training.

    • @fatboitino2
      @fatboitino2 6 років тому +66

      James Cowan yeah, true. He's right. People don't enjoy the process anymore- like when youbfirst start training and all you want to do is find new ways to optimize your gainz and progress. A new vein and a new striation was life. Now, people are just trying to master cycles and go half way on everything else

    • @tmozk.
      @tmozk. 6 років тому +4

      well said.

    • @rampageclover9788
      @rampageclover9788 6 років тому +23

      bodybuilders today are drug addicts...only difference between them and the coke/smackheads is that they don't get their high automatically from injecting or popping pills but after doing a certain level of physical activity from an endorphin rush known as "the pump" ...their workouts are momentum-driven, lack form and are generally of low quality....the chemicals are at their vanguard....instead of nutrition and researching human anatomy and physiology...basically understanding what they're putting into their bodies ...Tom Platz on the other hand has a degree in both...so all the years he was crunching out those insane volumes...he absolutely knew what he was asking of his body physically...and always prepped himself for those intense sessions...

    • @sheldoncooper8199
      @sheldoncooper8199 5 років тому +3

      @James Cowan
      He said in the nicest way possible that Bodybuilders dont work hard anymore since 2002 or so. with the exception of Roelley Winklar and Victor Martinez of course and Seth Feroce.

    • @sheldoncooper8199
      @sheldoncooper8199 5 років тому +6

      @@fatboitino2
      There are not shortcuts and cutting corner in Bodybuilding ESPECIALLY if you are a Natural.

  • @AFCAWorldBodybuildingArchive
    @AFCAWorldBodybuildingArchive 6 років тому +697

    There's more *intensity* in his speech than in my entire workout :D

    • @Rudresh101
      @Rudresh101 5 років тому +23

      I avoid watching his videos after returning from gym. It simply makes me wanna get back to the gym again 😂

    • @ordinaryguy815
      @ordinaryguy815 5 років тому +1

      The passion is palpable

    • @Plata0Plomo82
      @Plata0Plomo82 4 роки тому +1

      @@Rudresh101 😂 you ain't dead in the gym! Let's ride again

    • @DespicableBunny
      @DespicableBunny 3 роки тому

      Do u train lmao

    • @dacrucified771
      @dacrucified771 2 роки тому

      🤣

  • @Hellthrasher
    @Hellthrasher 6 років тому +620

    Hail the Golden Eagle! May he appear more often on here. . his interview talks are . . on another level. .motivational speaker all the way

    • @OldSchoolLabs
      @OldSchoolLabs  6 років тому +18

      Rest assured, Hellthrasher! We have MORE to come! ;) 💪

    • @richardsannasardo4026
      @richardsannasardo4026 5 років тому +1

      Definitely speaks in a motivational manner!

    • @firstnamelastname9390
      @firstnamelastname9390 5 років тому +2

      @@Highball-91 -or Kurt Russell sorta

    • @mrtimezone8658
      @mrtimezone8658 2 роки тому

      @@OldSchoolLabs Please work with Tom to build and operate an International Bodybuilding Museum and Hall of Fame. It will be his Legacy. This is overdue. It should include a courtyard rose garden.

  • @sabertomason1421
    @sabertomason1421 6 років тому +351

    There's nothing like the legend Tom platz
    More videos of him

    • @OldSchoolLabs
      @OldSchoolLabs  6 років тому +9

      Hey Saber! Stay tuned & make sure you're subscribed to our channel! We have more videos in our new Q&A series with the legendary Tom Platz on the way! :)

  • @infinite_dynamics
    @infinite_dynamics 6 років тому +442

    Suddenly a huge fan of Tom Platz, excellent advice, well spoken and actually inspirational... to me this is what inspirational looks like, it’s not excessively animated for the sake of attention, it’s not studying social media trends and exploiting hot button topics to fish for likes, it’s not trying so hard it induces cringe, it’s just this, an authentic dude giving you legit advice, this guy is keeping it real and I respect that immensely, would love to see more of this mentality throughout our culture.

    • @MrRuamazed
      @MrRuamazed 6 років тому

      Oleg Very well said

    • @sheldoncooper8199
      @sheldoncooper8199 5 років тому

      @Adam Jensen
      OF COURSE he s an authentic Dude giving you legit advice he s a man of the 1980 ies not a young Guy in his late 20 ies that just wants social media attention like Phil Heath

    • @krane15
      @krane15 5 років тому

      Grew up with TP. Don't think I've ever even heard him speak until now.

  • @reedallyn1767
    @reedallyn1767 5 років тому +60

    I met the Golden Eagle back in the 80's backstage where he was guest posing at a show. To say anything bad about this man would amount to abomination. He was at the top of his game at the time, and the humility, spirit and decency he showed anyone and everyone was unbelievable. He truly was a kind man, and sincere one, at that. I shall never forget that encounter, as he took the time to provide encouragement and the keys to avoid self defeatism. Thank-you, Eagle.

  • @king82ism
    @king82ism 6 років тому +146

    This guy always makes me pumped as hell....

    • @Kasarow
      @Kasarow 6 років тому +6

      Prashant King I just want to workout!

    • @user-gp8tp1di4h
      @user-gp8tp1di4h 6 років тому +4

      It's awesome seeing someone so passionate about their work

    • @MrRuamazed
      @MrRuamazed 6 років тому +3

      That’s how Tom has been his entire life

  • @daryldelp1066
    @daryldelp1066 6 років тому +76

    I can listen to Tom speak all day.

  • @collin355
    @collin355 6 років тому +299

    He's describing what's known as static training. It why gymnasts who don't even lift weights have huge shoulders and arms. I like to do them for biceps.

    • @OldSchoolLabs
      @OldSchoolLabs  6 років тому +40

      Great observation, Collin355!

    • @JohnBradydoesstuff
      @JohnBradydoesstuff 6 років тому +8

      collin355 how do you do that for biceps? Do you mind to share your routine?

    • @collin355
      @collin355 6 років тому +41

      John Brady at the end of my bicep routine I go to the preacher curl machine, and put on as much weight as I can hold for about 30 seconds at the midway point

    • @papaspaulding
      @papaspaulding 6 років тому +7

      I love using negatives. I use them sparingly doing such on only the last set on one exercise per muscle group. mainly as i workout alone so without a spotter pretty hard to do safely on some exercises. I also use static training on my biceps. I tend to favour finishing on conecntration curls and choose a super low weight dumbell and hole each contraction at top and tense the muscle as hard as I can for at least 4 slow seconds each rep then really slowly lower the dumbell to starting position. after 10 reps my biceps are crying like lil bitches

    • @Ownyx
      @Ownyx 6 років тому +2

      collin355 like powerlifters do on bench and overload. Get that muscle group comfortable with real heavy weight. Thats half the problem with compound lifts and body trying to acclimate to it.

  • @chrisballis5312
    @chrisballis5312 6 років тому +75

    He is so inspiring. The thought behind the training of these guys. Old school was about positivity, about having fan and pushing one another beyond their limits. Today's bodybuilding is about social media drama, gurus and bloggers, uploads over uploads, talking, talking, taking and even more talking ( nonsense for the most part). So guys keep it positive, encourage people around you to become better every day, and become better with them, train hard, love, have fan. As Tom said, let's all keep it "old school"!!

    • @milosgrujic9118
      @milosgrujic9118 2 роки тому +1

      Well, looks like I do belong to oldschool. No social media bulshit posts, no talk, just raw workout with my gym partner. We push each other beyond limits, have long recovery time after but man, it just feel great!!!

  • @jdelorenzod2725
    @jdelorenzod2725 2 роки тому +1

    Drinking an espresso while discussing lifting is such a G move. Love it. Now that I think about it, it should be more widespread.

  • @BryanHeyboer
    @BryanHeyboer 6 років тому +30

    He’s a great storyteller. I would love to hear more from him.

  • @chrise.2666
    @chrise.2666 3 роки тому +1

    Tom Platz training and Mike Mentzer's training are complimentary

  • @neldormiveglia1312
    @neldormiveglia1312 Рік тому +1

    The man was a fucking beast. Just watching his training videos makes my body hurt. A beast.

  • @thanos5612
    @thanos5612 6 років тому +90

    "You can do anything at the gym"
    Planet Fitness: Hold my beer

    • @mv1991
      @mv1991 5 років тому +5

      @CC You mean hold me lunk alarm

    • @Maxumized
      @Maxumized 4 роки тому +4

      Planet fitness would lock the doors if they saw Tom drive up

    • @thanos1310
      @thanos1310 4 роки тому +2

      Wait a minute

    • @thanos1124
      @thanos1124 3 роки тому +3

      @@thanos1310 who are you?
      I am you

    • @1308HK
      @1308HK 3 роки тому +1

      Planet fitness is not a gym

  • @SeriousYelder
    @SeriousYelder 6 років тому +1

    Tom Platz is fucking great.

  • @siddhantpandey2000
    @siddhantpandey2000 3 роки тому +1

    The Unsung hero of Bodybuilding. Tom Platz u are remembered.

  • @thekarmafarmer608
    @thekarmafarmer608 2 роки тому +5

    I absolutely love Tom. He represents one of the real old school heroes. Positive and passionate and still that way. I wish Tom a long life. He worked hard for everything he got and never moaned. You`re an inspirational, old school hero Tom. Love ya.

  • @nathanielovaughn2145
    @nathanielovaughn2145 2 роки тому +1

    The Ozzy of bodybuilding. Love the Golden Eagle.

  • @frederikhansen1080
    @frederikhansen1080 6 років тому +9

    I can say it over and over again. This guy is a fantastic legend. One of the absolute favorites through time, with both heart and mentality

  • @philiplindsay225
    @philiplindsay225 6 років тому +19

    I bought Tom's gym training book in 1980. It gave me a lot of inspiration and helped my body building aspirations . After all these years its great to see him still at it with valuable old school advice .

  • @seancarter7798
    @seancarter7798 6 років тому +18

    Unquestionably, Tom Platz is the greatest body builder of all times! Truly a smart man who trains 120% all the time! More from the Golden Eagle please!

  • @ethan4863
    @ethan4863 6 років тому +5

    Being a old timer myself this brings chills, this is what working out is...Tom captured the feeling 100% ..long live the Quad father!

  • @chrismoll6862
    @chrismoll6862 2 роки тому +1

    I love Tom Platz .. he is the ultimate bodybuilder ever

  • @drivn4895
    @drivn4895 2 роки тому +1

    What a legend

  • @marianoquiroz1248
    @marianoquiroz1248 2 роки тому +1

    you are one of the best bodybuilders in the world

  • @ketoking9435
    @ketoking9435 6 років тому +34

    Remember seeing the Tom Plata video 82-83,,, that was the benchmark,,,,what a legend,,

  • @MeteorTesh
    @MeteorTesh 5 років тому +7

    Used to go to an old school style gym. When it opened, it was the first gym I had ever been to (to actually train) it was great, the sound of plates and dumbells clanging, machines moving. Sure there were some supplements, but nothing special. Just variations of protein shakes or bars. I was a mega small guy, 54kg and 5ft 5. Never before did I feel so at home somewhere. I'd be doing my pissy little 10kg dumbbells presses and a big guy was walking past, dropped his 30's, got down and started pushing me on my reps, encouraging me to do a couple more. I'd be trying out squats and a guy who worked there would walk past and watch, then walk over and nudge my feet to a correct position for me or if I was doing something easy, he'd cone over, add weights and say 'you can clearly do that'. One guy would ask me my weight, then work out in his head and tell me how many cals/carbs and protein I should be on and so many more. It was an amazing place, small, tucked away, everyone knew everyone and everyone were friends. Sadly it began to decline a couple years ago under new ownership (the latest owner last year) tried doing all these weird classes for women and it made for a completely different atmosphere. Last month it finally bit the dust and closed down. Everyone split up and have gone to different gyms or have other life things that have to take priority. But my time there was great and I wouldn't change it one bit.

  • @nishantkorlekar1113
    @nishantkorlekar1113 5 років тому +1

    Tom Platz is very intelligent and nice person

    • @velvetplatz1024
      @velvetplatz1024 5 років тому +1

      Well he does have his doctorate in Kinesiseology(SP)...my fiance is a cousin of Tom's.

  • @JonnyVerace
    @JonnyVerace 5 років тому +1

    Tom should be an announcer at the Olympia he has a great voice, delivery and tone when he speaks. His passion about the way he talks about bodybuilding is inspiring in itself

  • @silviafitness9958
    @silviafitness9958 6 років тому +1

    Tom Platz's passion for training is very contagious.

  • @cookieinthewoods
    @cookieinthewoods 6 років тому +20

    The Golden Eagle, what a truly exceptional being, thanks for knowledge you share

  • @danproject5981
    @danproject5981 4 роки тому +2

    I was introduced to Tom by my gym owner and trainer. He has a really old school gym and a painting on his wall of him. I asked who he was and he told me he had the greatest legs of any body builder. I did my research and he’s as inspirational to me as Arnie. Thanks Tom you are amazing for inspiration before my leg workout. Stay cool big guy!

  • @David-lu5tl
    @David-lu5tl 6 років тому +7

    Tom is so awesome that just listening to him speak about training is like a pre energy drink kicking in for his passion is just deep that it speaks volumes!!

  • @jeffsmith3221
    @jeffsmith3221 4 роки тому

    I met Tom back in I think it was '83 as he was guest posing here in MN before another try at the Olympia. I was a nobody, just a low, state level bodybuilder, yet he took several minutes out of his time to individually talk to me and take a couple photos, just me and him. Always idolized Tom for his legs, but I'll never forget how genuine of a person he was in trying to help people with fitness. As I approach 60 now and find it hard to still be as into working out as I did years ago, it amazes me that people like Tom still have the fire in them.....shows the reason they were pros in their prime.....true heart, grit, and determination! Jeff S.

  • @ibbi2206
    @ibbi2206 5 років тому +2

    his charisma is one of a kind

  • @kennethbishop123
    @kennethbishop123 2 роки тому +1

    I love you Tom. The quadfather. Everyone should take a page out of your book for work ethic. True champion 🏆

  • @woooster17
    @woooster17 6 років тому +10

    My era here.. I had a Tom Platz bodybuilding book as a teen back in the 80s.. Old School legend!

    • @Underhills
      @Underhills 6 років тому

      I searched back and forth in that book to see what roids he took, but there was nothing. So I guess Tom was all natty. Good for him.

  • @000fuyt
    @000fuyt 2 роки тому +1

    Love old school, I'm 56 back in the gym I go to the guys I grew up with true legends 💪💪💪💪

  • @ryanbaxley9727
    @ryanbaxley9727 2 роки тому +1

    One of the most underrated bodybuilders, the true 81 O champion 🏆

  • @andrewb8615
    @andrewb8615 5 років тому +39

    Is he sipping an espresso?
    And squats with Converse

  • @superglide6680
    @superglide6680 5 років тому +6

    Saw Tom Platz in seminar in the mid 80's. His calfs blew me away! Obviously expected the huge quads, but the huge calfs were amazing.

  • @promalko7
    @promalko7 6 років тому +1

    Passion in the way he speaks, no fake smiles like other guys.

  • @woooster17
    @woooster17 5 років тому +4

    Shame we got to get old.. Tom still has so much fire and intensity!

  • @cypherzz-_-5804
    @cypherzz-_-5804 2 роки тому +3

    Tom is amazing and such an eye opening inspirational person!

  • @hideitagainSam
    @hideitagainSam 2 роки тому +1

    Wow. That is a very nice message. And in life we have to go back to the basics of living. 👍🏽

  • @matttomlin1024
    @matttomlin1024 5 років тому +3

    I’m thankful Tom Platz is still around spreading wisdom, truly one of the greatest of all time. In every video Tom always says something different but ends up meaning the same things somehow. You just have to admire his passion and kind hearted ness to even share this knowledge. Thank you Tom, I’ll forever be a fan!

  • @johnlsullivan5180
    @johnlsullivan5180 2 роки тому +1

    I'm not even a bodybuilder or super serious just try and maintain muscle in the gym, I can listen to Tom Platz talk about this because you can feel the passion he has for it .

  • @Kivari811
    @Kivari811 6 років тому +8

    One of the big kings of all time. RESPECT! 💪🏻

  • @adnans3222
    @adnans3222 6 років тому +57

    Best legs in history, so u better listen to him

  • @RobertShyanNorwalt
    @RobertShyanNorwalt 6 років тому +1

    This guy is very genuine

  • @DaveO0808
    @DaveO0808 6 років тому +16

    Not holding back mentality! YES!

  • @nickgeorgoulis4579
    @nickgeorgoulis4579 6 років тому

    I could sit all day listening to Tom Platz talking about bodybuilding. I fucking love him!!

  • @gironda11
    @gironda11 6 років тому +1

    I love how much passion he still has talking about training.

  • @geoffreywelsby7434
    @geoffreywelsby7434 6 років тому +1

    You gotta love Tom. I bet he could make a cup of coffee sound exciting and full of enthusiasm.. God love him...

  • @ncy614
    @ncy614 5 років тому +2

    I don’t think anyone has ever had Platz intensity true legend!

  • @EazZiB
    @EazZiB 6 років тому

    Spoken with soul and genuineness. What a fucking guy

  • @noahpavelic684
    @noahpavelic684 6 років тому +1

    What a legend.

  • @georgep9059
    @georgep9059 6 років тому +1

    Platz has never lost his passion for Old School bodybuilding !!! Love it

  • @kindatheist4216
    @kindatheist4216 6 років тому +1

    Tom platz was,he is and will always be our legend

  • @kevindeleon3898
    @kevindeleon3898 6 років тому +1

    It's always amazing to listen to the legend Tom Platz

  • @Flippinpinoy09
    @Flippinpinoy09 6 років тому +1

    The way he talks is absolutely motivational

  • @riskybizkuts5949
    @riskybizkuts5949 6 років тому +1

    Little cup...big dude....massive knowledge! Tom will always be the man !

  • @TheSaldanaFam
    @TheSaldanaFam 6 років тому

    You can hear the excitement, the intensity in his voice, I love it

  • @AGTsakumis
    @AGTsakumis 5 років тому +1

    What a true legend!

  • @davidwicklin9943
    @davidwicklin9943 6 років тому +2

    The Static Rep to finish off an exercise - maximum intensity! Awesome!

  • @brockjms1
    @brockjms1 3 роки тому +1

    0:46
    Tom = "Seated calve machine"
    Editor of this video = Shows image of a seated leg extension machine.

  • @IfbbProRolandcHazard
    @IfbbProRolandcHazard 6 років тому

    I love how he talks about the gym, its just so refreshing to hear how a gym should be, what the gym is to him. Thank you sir.

  • @aaronbrooke-naylor3389
    @aaronbrooke-naylor3389 5 років тому

    Without question Tom is the most inspiring and greatest communicator there has been in the sport. And always will be, it’s infectious! I love it

  • @johnlakatos639
    @johnlakatos639 6 років тому

    You can see his passion still for the sport

  • @sidjones_46
    @sidjones_46 6 років тому +1

    This guy is legend..anyway you look at him. Unbelievable!!

  • @Digow333
    @Digow333 6 років тому +1

    Tom Platz is a legend! Respect from Brazil!

  • @J_Business
    @J_Business 2 роки тому

    Tom is a legend pure and simple

  • @petellouisvanpolanen7516
    @petellouisvanpolanen7516 2 роки тому +1

    I never knew about static reps! Thank you!

  • @loho316
    @loho316 6 років тому

    The legend, what an inspirational guy. Tom platz, although his physique is truly one of a kind and one of the all time best, he has this aura around him and mentality that attracts many people. He's way more than just the physique, and that's how it should be, people always talking about great ambassadors for bodybuilding, tom platz would be on the top of my list. I would go even further, he's a great ambassador for life, the legend, the eagle, the gentleman Tom Platz.

  • @santosmichelena3519
    @santosmichelena3519 5 років тому +1

    Incredibly good speech at the end. The man is 1000% right. You must enjoy going to the gym and just love the process

    • @silvopalfi3038
      @silvopalfi3038 5 років тому

      1000 % right ....hahahah another believer ....jesus...

  • @pgdyankov
    @pgdyankov 6 років тому +39

    Tom seems to be turning into a Sith lord with age... as if it could get any better.

  • @happzy
    @happzy 5 років тому +5

    Platz is a real wordsmith. He could narrate taking a dump and it would still sound great.

  • @ryanlong9265
    @ryanlong9265 6 років тому +2

    Gotta love his passion for training

  • @af6744
    @af6744 6 років тому

    A true legend that speaks clearly and confidently what old school means to him. Keep it old school!

  • @mrjbkap
    @mrjbkap 2 роки тому +1

    Just great to listen to wisdom for a real pro. Ed Corney would drop in at the Golds Gym in downtown San Jose Ca. and work out. He was music in motion to watch him go up and down the bar bell rack doing curls. And Dave Draper would work out at the Iron Works on Bascom ave in San Jose. And many more including a Olympic disc thrower as well back in the day.

  • @tonysuley4306
    @tonysuley4306 Рік тому

    The best part of bodybuilding is when you see the process of your body and it gives you more motivation

  • @ItalianStallionLouie
    @ItalianStallionLouie 6 років тому +12

    It's a fact that everyone with the best body parts (i.e. Tom platz, Dorian etc) all used total failure training. Definitely something to it

    • @kurtvonfricken6829
      @kurtvonfricken6829 6 років тому

      Louis Caputo
      Maybe Arthur jones was correct after all....

    • @zoranallen5205
      @zoranallen5205 6 років тому +5

      Louis Caputo I think total failure training is good, but maybe not frequently for natties without the drugs. Platz has said he’d only do legs every 2 weeks and squats once or twice a month, he’d go to total failure, and that’d require lots of rest to recuperate.

  • @jordangroff8978
    @jordangroff8978 6 років тому +22

    Most intense bodybuilder ever !!!

    • @porkbeast3000
      @porkbeast3000 6 років тому +5

      Jordan Groff don’t tell Dorian Yates that

    • @stellabella6324
      @stellabella6324 6 років тому

      don't tell george leeman that

    • @leart78
      @leart78 6 років тому +1

      fuck Dorian Yates, George Leeman..

    • @soofitnsexy
      @soofitnsexy 6 років тому +1

      DONT TELL ME THAT

    • @effen5931
      @effen5931 5 років тому

      Tom platz himself said that no one reached Dorian Yates' level of intensity

  • @trappinout18
    @trappinout18 3 роки тому +1

    I was guessing static may be worth trying. Thank you Mr. Platz for the advice!

  • @JORDIIMusic
    @JORDIIMusic 5 років тому

    Such a legend!

  • @RussellFitness-Trainer
    @RussellFitness-Trainer 5 років тому +2

    Inspirational when he talks, true og

  • @joeblass
    @joeblass 6 років тому +5

    I appreciate most what tom said about it being about abundance and love not suffering and doin without! Great way to look at it

  • @corporateragnar5940
    @corporateragnar5940 6 років тому +13

    Love this guy

  • @Macklinrk
    @Macklinrk 6 років тому +64

    The God of quads

  • @anthonydigiovanni2218
    @anthonydigiovanni2218 6 років тому

    OMG!!! One of the Gods of bodybuilding, The Golden Eagle was truly "GOLDEN" OH! and he's old school. I will never forget meeting you back in the day. You gave your heart and soul to body building, Thank you for sharing your secrets with the world.

  • @abdultawwab486
    @abdultawwab486 5 років тому +1

    1:07 he sounds like Arnold 😯

  • @matthewstewart5008
    @matthewstewart5008 2 роки тому +1

    Legend

  • @martysimpson4720
    @martysimpson4720 5 років тому

    Nobody has more passion for bodybuilding than Tom Platz.

  • @paulriley6418
    @paulriley6418 6 років тому

    I could listen to him all day

  • @dangerdavefreestyle
    @dangerdavefreestyle 6 років тому

    he delivered this powerful great advice all while maintaining the level and preservation of that small english cup of tea

  • @lamby1022
    @lamby1022 5 років тому +1

    Tom should of won a Olympia he deserves it 💪🏻

  • @doldemenshubarti8696
    @doldemenshubarti8696 2 роки тому +1

    the REALLY old school strongmen and Tom knew the importance of growing tendon strength as well as muscle strength. Lot of slow time under tension and static, isometric heavy weight exercises work out your tendons and ligaments. Those need longer recovery

  • @fastjegr
    @fastjegr 5 років тому +7

    Here's a guy that never lost the passion for bodybuilding one of the guys I admired

  • @gehriggains1258
    @gehriggains1258 6 років тому +1

    I love listening to Tom Platz speak and how he thinks training should be done. Agree with his mentality of train hard and go crazy when in the gym. That the kind of mindset and atmosphere I like to here.