The first caller doesn't get it, when people donated to Captain Tom or bought his book or merchandise, they didn't do it to enrich his family or pay for their building extensions and holidays. Talking about criminal acts is a red herring. It's about integrity and trust
They very litterally did do it to enrich his family. That’s what happens when you buy someone’s merch or books. They get paid. Then they die, family scopes the money.
@@mrbubbles6468you aren’t really this ignorant are you? Everything Tom did was to enable the health and safety of people. He walked for the nhs not to line his pockets, he agreed to these other things in order to continue that goal, and instead of honouring his wishes his family pocketed millions and lied to these charities, and most like Tom himself.
First caller is a Tory. The Tory moral code is to do everything they can to make money at all times, and pay as little in tax as possible, as long as it doesn't cross the line into criminality. That's why he doesn't see anything wrong with their behaviour.
@@coppershark1973it’s possible but I don’t see someone like Sir Tom who saw such horrors during his time in the army would be a willing participant in something like this. It’s not entirely out of the question but I doubt it. Definitely agree he could have definitely been led down the garden path by family who recognised they could fleece people and pocket money.
The Duchys are businesses and a great part of the profits are given to the country. The bit they keep goes to pay for the clothing staff etc for the working Royals so they can continue to highlight charities and bring them to the public notice. All the accounts can be found online every year. There is no secret about any of it..
Thankyou. The old codger saw a way to make some money and fed his ego. I got a neighbour his age who also served and he would love the attention. Tom was not noble or a hero, a chancer till the very end.
The daughter and husband saw a grift and went all in for whatever they could make from the support Captain Tom had with the general public. How was she suddenly a public speaker commanding huge speaker fees, why didn't she donate any of it to the charity, if it was all above board? Captain Tom started a cause, but then his closest took advantage because of greed. Legally they may not be guilty of theft, but morally they are bankrupt.
I wouldn't be surprised that the first caller is connected with either the family and has benefitted someway, or he also has done the dubious charity sales and benefits from a charity somehow.
First caller talking about 'this country', doesn't sound like he understands the values of the very country in which he lives. And it's these very values that rightly drive the anger and upset towards the actions of Sir Tom's family.
He is missing the point she couldn’t have made a penny if it wasn’t for the charity no one new her otherwise just saying she stole full stop theft all the way
You're aligning a lot of charities, especially small ones. Most operate fairly and contribute a lot more than they take. Some don't but don't condemn so many unfairly.
My grandfather wrote his memoirs including his service in WWII. We as a family find it interesting. If we published it a handful of people might buy it but millions wouldn't unless they thought it was going to charity
This family were living in a 2 Million estate. If they had been struggling for money the public would be ok with them benefiting from his books sales, with SOME of the money. But they were already financially well off. That makes it even more disgusting.
Just shows me how bad some people are and how corupt society is! A lot of these so called charities should be investigated, because not all the money goes to where it should be going! A morale crime against humanity! Quite a few got rich out of a very bad situation as people died, they all should be brought to task, but they won't!
The first guy seems to think that you are either a criminal or an angel. The fact that there wasn't evidence of criminality doesn't mean the family did nothing unethical or misleading, which is what the Commission found.
I always thought there was something off about the way she had her elderly father in front of cameras every minute. What sealed it for me is when they took him in holiday to barbados at his age and after him being ill it takes 9 hours to fly to jamaica so im guessing barbados is similar even for someone younger and healthier its along time let alone him and then when he comes back he dies, who does that. In regards to jack the light is on and no ones home. I agree with barry 💯% they should be prosecuted.
If the books were marketed to directly support the captain tom charity and no money has gone to it, then surely it is a case of obtaining money by deception
There is a similar case in Italy with a famous influencer Chiara Ferragni. She collaborated with a Christmas Cake company to make a special edition with her name on it. They claimed that the sales from it is going to charity instead she cashed 1 million. She did the same thing with a producer of chocolate eggs and she bagged another million. She will be trialed next year.
If any money that was promised to charity didn’t get there, then the crime of fraud has been committed. The police need to do a full investIgation. The whole thing stinks of larceny.
There was a story about a royal charity that was found to have donated around 10% of all the donations and kept all the rest for admin. It's very standard for charities to be donating a fraction of all money raised.
People gave their money to give to charity, not them ,so would people give money knowing that the family would take money from the charity would have given the money
He is not attacked through his family. His daughter is under attack and he is out of the picture. The Guardian quoted the preface of the book, where Tom Moore said he was happy to have another way to add to his foundation.
More BS... Surely whoever drew up the document is at fault for not stating clearly where the monies would go.. Not difficult is it... IMO the family are a bunch of crooks... Endof.. Tony cuenca
The caller is a happy Torrie .... contract, what a nonsense. It is a disgrace and people feel buped. And now this man says they shouyld stop whining as there is no contract. This is about morals and ethics, not about law ... but htan, what would a happy Torrie know about morals and ethics ...
how could anybody ever protect these crooks?? we have been hoodwinked big time!! we as a nation at the time we were on our knees and ready to believe or accelt anything to help our general mood. and let me say this: Tom knew. he knew and did it to help his daughter. he knew
I have some experience with this, its not that Charity is a bad thing its just that as a corporate entity it attracts bad people. My mother worked for War on Want charities for years on a volunteer basis and some people in management would be genuinely horrible in their outlook on struggling people, the reality of most of these shops on the high street with a charitys name on their door is just avoiding taxation through the charity grift.
Imagine defending these grifters....you absolute helmet.
As a non-brit, this makes it straight into my personal top 3 of British insults.
Jack seems to have a personal investment in this... I can't believe he holds this view as a non-interested party.
You have to wonder what connection this guy is to the Sir Tom family, at best contrarian, at worst co-grifter.
Must be a family member
Always one innit.
It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled.
Like Brexit?
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The first caller doesn't get it, when people donated to Captain Tom or bought his book or merchandise, they didn't do it to enrich his family or pay for their building extensions and holidays. Talking about criminal acts is a red herring. It's about integrity and trust
They very litterally did do it to enrich his family. That’s what happens when you buy someone’s merch or books. They get paid. Then they die, family scopes the money.
@mrbubbles6468 no, they did it for charity. Captain Tom was a fundraiser, not a celebrity diva selling "merch"
@@mrbubbles6468you aren’t really this ignorant are you? Everything Tom did was to enable the health and safety of people. He walked for the nhs not to line his pockets, he agreed to these other things in order to continue that goal, and instead of honouring his wishes his family pocketed millions and lied to these charities, and most like Tom himself.
Sociopath's don't see dishonesty as immoral.
That's because they think everyone else is just like them.
The world we have created is awful. That people think this behaviour is OK.
@@pmyumjr planet is crawling with these types
It's not about crime, it's about 'integrity', and that seems sadly lacking.
No crime committed, doesn't make what they did ok.
What they did might be legal but is it moral.
Bet he votes Tory
@@vordman No
@@sjthjsdreadfather4867 Perhaps Deform ? and pro Brexit
Always believed it was a scam.
The commission didn’t ruin his rep, his daughter and her spouse did
First caller is a Tory. The Tory moral code is to do everything they can to make money at all times, and pay as little in tax as possible, as long as it doesn't cross the line into criminality. That's why he doesn't see anything wrong with their behaviour.
Barry is 100% correct.
Jack has no morality, could be a family member.
Nobody is attacking Sir Tom. It's his family who are the dodgy people.
Depends if Tom knew it was all a grift. I think he was manipulated by his own family but who can tell.
4:51 He was so old and his daughter usud the old man, hibe me a break no crime ffs.@coppershark1973 does a jaccuse ring a bell?gtf.
Well said about the trip,taking an old man oversees not on.
Please he didn't have a clue,🤔well i hope not.@@coppershark1973
@@coppershark1973it’s possible but I don’t see someone like Sir Tom who saw such horrors during his time in the army would be a willing participant in something like this. It’s not entirely out of the question but I doubt it. Definitely agree he could have definitely been led down the garden path by family who recognised they could fleece people and pocket money.
Never trust anyone who thinks being shady is ok.
Imagine the royals also clapping for the NHS while making tens of millions of pounds from rent every year.
The Duchys are businesses and a great part of the profits are given to the country. The bit they keep goes to pay for the clothing staff etc for the working Royals so they can continue to highlight charities and bring them to the public notice. All the accounts can be found online every year. There is no secret about any of it..
What an absolute bell end.
Captain Tom kept £10k himself from the awards ceremony so not so sure he would be so ashamed as people think.
Thankyou. The old codger saw a way to make some money and fed his ego. I got a neighbour his age who also served and he would love the attention. Tom was not noble or a hero, a chancer till the very end.
The daughter and husband saw a grift and went all in for whatever they could make from the support Captain Tom had with the general public. How was she suddenly a public speaker commanding huge speaker fees, why didn't she donate any of it to the charity, if it was all above board? Captain Tom started a cause, but then his closest took advantage because of greed. Legally they may not be guilty of theft, but morally they are bankrupt.
The cause he started was unworthy.
Why is Jack so pro the Moores, is it because he is very fair minded, or does he have some connection to the family?
"These innocent people" that isnt what the Charity Commission thought was it.
Why on earth is this trying to excuse outrageous outright greed and deception by the family on technical grounds. He's clueless, isn't he?
Because he would of done the same, but yeh sounds like he's their brief.
Because the Moores are used by the far-right as a poster... nuff said.
If he isnt connected then he sounds deranged
No body bought that book to give his daughter money.
It’s what her father wanted.
Nobody is attacking Captain Tom.
The first caller ‘ is he running a charity’ investigate.
That daughter's actions are absolutely indefensible. LBC Caller Jack: Hold my beer.
I wouldn't be surprised that the first caller is connected with either the family and has benefitted someway, or he also has done the dubious charity sales and benefits from a charity somehow.
This first caller must be a thief himself.
Or someone who benefitted from their dishonesty.
It’s all about the money.
How well does he know this pair of hooligans
This caller just doesn’t get it 🙄🙄😡
Nice of Colin Ingram-Moore (known pre Covid as Colin Ingram) to call in.
How much was the first caller’s fee? 1%, 5%, 10% of the £1.5m Sir Tom’s daughter pocketed?
The sad thing is he more than likely is glazing them for free.
One of those guys who thinks he's being clever but in reality doesn't understand the laws around charities.
This guy doesn’t under contract law at all... embarrassing 🤷🏿
By law not guilty, morally guilty
Someone needs to check this callers hard-drive. Wrong’un.
Uncle Jack is obviously a bit gutted his spa extension had to be pulled down
When is a charity not a charity? 🤦
Definitely speaking on the family's behalf.
Jack goes on about innocent until proven guilty and then finds the charity commission guilty of attacking Captain Tom
They took the old saying too literally - "Charity start at home"
What an absolute prat this guy is, says a lot about his morals! They should all be locked up for fraud!
Jack has definitely been ripping people off for a while and needs to justify his actions to himself.
Or he's a mate of the family of course.
Turning cartwheels trying to defend a scam!
The first caller must be a friend of the family who was excited about using their new spa. Either that or he's had a catastrophic brain injury.
Conspiracy to defraud carries a max penalty of ten years. 1st caller is a mug.
First caller talking about 'this country', doesn't sound like he understands the values of the very country in which he lives. And it's these very values that rightly drive the anger and upset towards the actions of Sir Tom's family.
Is Jack's surname Moore by any chance!
Look at the way the family acted around the "spa" and local planning laws, that should give you an idea of the type of people running that charity.
The Human Fund. Money for people.
He is missing the point she couldn’t have made a penny if it wasn’t for the charity no one new her otherwise just saying she stole full stop theft all the way
No crime, just gross stupidity by anyone who gives to any charity.
They all have huge expense accounts with no accountability.
Wake up people
You're aligning a lot of charities, especially small ones. Most operate fairly and contribute a lot more than they take. Some don't but don't condemn so many unfairly.
Charities help people off the streets, feed children and cure illnesses like Cancer etc. You're advocating not giving them money?
That caller defending the gifters is foolish!
The caller is a bell,
The first one?
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@sspan6086 i really wanted to say that but i got banned before for it. LoL.
pepper?
My grandfather wrote his memoirs including his service in WWII. We as a family find it interesting. If we published it a handful of people might buy it but millions wouldn't unless they thought it was going to charity
This family were living in a 2 Million estate. If they had been struggling for money the public would be ok with them benefiting from his books sales, with SOME of the money. But they were already financially well off. That makes it even more disgusting.
Sounds like embezzlement to me which is a crime
Its not about sir Tom he's legacy is intact its his family who have let themselves down.
"Let themselves down" = THIEVES! 💪
If anyone made money, it was about the money
This geezer is a crook, simple as that. He condones fraud and obtaining monies by deceptive means
What a surprise, this man defending this scam has run his own charity.
It's theft and fraud
It didn't look genuine from the very beginning but the masses are easily taken in.
Tell me you voted Tory without telling me you voted Tory
Just shows me how bad some people are and how corupt society is! A lot of these so called charities should be investigated, because not all the money goes to where it should be going! A morale crime against humanity! Quite a few got rich out of a very bad situation as people died, they all should be brought to task, but they won't!
The first guy seems to think that you are either a criminal or an angel. The fact that there wasn't evidence of criminality doesn't mean the family did nothing unethical or misleading, which is what the Commission found.
How on earth can it NOT be criminal? It was out and out fraud and money laundering!
he knows that..but he just does not agree with them
Someone who cheats on their spouse 100+ times doesn't commit a crime. It doesn't mean they're not morally bankrupt
I always thought there was something off about the way she had her elderly father in front of cameras every minute. What sealed it for me is when they took him in holiday to barbados at his age and after him being ill it takes 9 hours to fly to jamaica so im guessing barbados is similar even for someone younger and healthier its along time let alone him and then when he comes back he dies, who does that. In regards to jack the light is on and no ones home. I agree with barry 💯% they should be prosecuted.
If the books were marketed to directly support the captain tom charity and no money has gone to it, then surely it is a case of obtaining money by deception
Nobody is 'attacking' Sir Tom. It's his greedy family who are being criticised
They were all in it together - Saint Tom included.
Scammers the lot of them
“No crime has been committed” what fraud isn’t a crime?
Tories removed it from the crime figures, so no, apparently.
The first time I saw Tom Moore's daughter on the telly with him I smelt a rat. She was controlling things from the start. Horrible woman.
First caller (Jack) is a complete and utter fool.
It’s basic fraud
This guy clearly works for her Lawyer firm.
This family thought beforehand
Let the old coot walk around the garden and we can make a fortune
The old coot was their partner in crime.
I feel sorry for Captain Tom to have belonged to this family.
Apple does not fall far from the tree.
He was cut from the same cloth.
There is a similar case in Italy with a famous influencer Chiara Ferragni. She collaborated with a Christmas Cake company to make a special edition with her name on it. They claimed that the sales from it is going to charity instead she cashed 1 million. She did the same thing with a producer of chocolate eggs and she bagged another million. She will be trialed next year.
This man is completely barmy it's quite strange that they have these people on air im not sure he is serious .
I doubt if he even walked up and down his garden
If any money that was promised to charity didn’t get there, then the crime of fraud has been committed. The police need to do a full investIgation. The whole thing stinks of larceny.
😂 NHS charities, i donated nothing,not into all this fawning,we have too many charities,and people abuse them
There was a story about a royal charity that was found to have donated around 10% of all the donations and kept all the rest for admin. It's very standard for charities to be donating a fraction of all money raised.
Yes but you have to account for it all and where it went, and any donations have to be spent on the charity otherwise it’s charity fraud
What a fool
People gave their money to give to charity, not them ,so would people give money knowing that the family would take money from the charity would have given the money
He is not attacked through his family. His daughter is under attack and he is out of the picture.
The Guardian quoted the preface of the book, where Tom Moore said he was happy to have another way to add to his foundation.
He lied.
@@taffyterrier He cannot defend himself and this is just your opinion.
The crime committed is using your elderly father to gain money and publicity for yourself.😢
The elderly father was a willing accomplice.
A complete helmut with facemask
6:00 if you are 100 you can drop dead at any moment
This guy sounds like he could defend the sun rising in the west, nobody can prove legally that it didn't actually happen
Perhaps if they had aired their suspicions earlier, they could have aired them as a journalist and kept them in check.
The first callers gotta be a relative
If it was poor people they would have been put in every paper and convicted
What planet is Jack on.
Either a bit dim or has an equally bad moral compass.
Someone needs to look into this caller and what scams he is upto.
More BS... Surely whoever drew up the document is at fault for not stating clearly where the monies would go.. Not difficult is it... IMO the family are a bunch of crooks... Endof.. Tony cuenca
Hands in the till simple as that
The caller is a happy Torrie .... contract, what a nonsense. It is a disgrace and people feel buped. And now this man says they shouyld stop whining as there is no contract. This is about morals and ethics, not about law ... but htan, what would a happy Torrie know about morals and ethics ...
how could anybody ever protect these crooks?? we have been hoodwinked big time!! we as a nation at the time we were on our knees and ready to believe or accelt anything to help our general mood. and let me say this: Tom knew. he knew and did it to help his daughter. he knew
How could anyone have ever fallen for such an obvious grift in the first place?
For Charity as a terminology can mean more than one Charity
how does he see that ? bet they think farmers are getting a rough deal
I have some experience with this, its not that Charity is a bad thing its just that as a corporate entity it attracts bad people. My mother worked for War on Want charities for years on a volunteer basis and some people in management would be genuinely horrible in their outlook on struggling people, the reality of most of these shops on the high street with a charitys name on their door is just avoiding taxation through the charity grift.
Absolutely shocking how they are destroying this mans Legacy
RIP Captain Tom Moore ❤🙏
His daughter you mean.