The selling out of the working class in developed nations by executives in the search for short term growth which is causing long term decline is an alarmingly important matter!
Neoliberal/laissez faire capitalism is the root cause. These shitlibs at NS are blind to this, they are fully blue filled There Is No Alternative thatcherites. Pray for some trickledown.
@@EarlofSalop Welcome to the new American Empire starting 2025. The old one tried to cover its actions in morality and democracy - “the fight for freedom”. Now the USA will openly conquer who its wants to and impose its will on whomever it chooses. If you don’t believe me Google Project 2025.
Wow I’m glad Andrew hit the nail 100% on the head with disability benefits. He is spot on and I totally agree with his assessment. Once the word got out during the pandemic and people realised they can stay at home with their families and be the same financially (if not better in a lot of cases) as if they were at work it would soon get out of hand and be totally unsustainable. Well done for the guys on here to be brave enough to come out and say it. It’ll be a very tough job for the government to sort out however.
It's definitely a plague in our system. We did not do enough post pandemic to help make young people become resilient to isolation and should have helped equip and build those bridges when we come out of the pandemic. I do agree with the comments that I think that work has become less desirable because rent is so expensive for young people, they don't feel they get a good deal, productivity has decreased across all deciles even though employment has gone up. We need to help improve mental health services and access (as someone who suffered months of long waits for my BPD diagnosis, I know how it feels) but also make what you earn go beyond just surviving but make it living for people.
@lestrem11 Well it should be pretty self evident in my comments right? We need to have a robust mental health services, these need to get into schools, we need Job Centres and health services to be working together and collaboratively, we need to be funding mental health with the same piarty as physical health, and of course we need to correct things within our economy. Rent needs to be looked at but I don't think that can be achieved with rent controls we need a competitive market where social housing can compete with the private sector. I could go on but I am not here to give a list of policies. Can I ask what you would suggest since you so quick to make judgements. But judging on your comment history, you are just here to sit on your ivory tower to pass comment and be hostile rather than to inform or present ideas. So pot kettle black much?
The decline is permanent. The U.K. is a poor country with a few rich people. Our per capita purchasing power used to be roughly equal to that of the U.S. in 2001. Now, the average American is so much wealthier than the average Britain, it's tragic.
There's an easy and existing solution. It's called Taxation. Our aristocrats aren't moving to Monaco, and they certainly aren't taking 1 million acres of land with them. There is plenty of money to go around, it's just not going around!
1-term is looking increasingly likely… they had a very small share of the vote in the GE and have since annoyed pensioners, farmers, the well off and business which is hardly a good start as all these types of people vote
working is not worth it for many young people, rents are too high and the UK has an acute Feudal problem with barely any housing going around. It takes away upto 60% of someone's income, add bills and there is barely anything left to even eat...easy for younger people to conclude that working isnt worth it in low paid, low productivity Britain.
I bought my first house in the 1970s, after all my expenses(food, utilities etc)I had £3 a month spare. I worked in pub 2 nights a week to help finances, sat in dark some nights and cried when someone gave me an old tv and I had to buy a license. Times were different then. I knew it would get better but it was hard going at first. I feel sorry for young people now, there’s so much to spend their money on.
@@susannewton3757with all due respect but you can’t compare what you went through to what the youth of today are going through. You lived through Thatcher’s right to buy scheme for example which propelled many people out of poverty, which in turn helped to put more families kids in Universities . Parents were able to get their children on the property ladder by helping out with deposits which for obvious reasons isn’t happening to the same extent now. While there will always be a section of society that will always try the easy route, we need to be much more understanding of a generation that will lead our country in the future.
@ I do understand what you’re saying but it does seem to me too easy to say things are different now, of course they are but I came from a poor background and had to work, my parents couldn’t afford to keep me. I don’t remember anyone I knew not working, parents would simply not have allowed it. Also getting dole was no easy option and it wasn’t spending money, it was for your keep.
I personally feel that the Cameron government and it's atrocious austerity policy, it's manifest failures on immigration, Europe, and defence is probably the single most important reason that Britain is in such a mess !
I think something of note is how shockingly bad the mental health services in this country can be. We see absolutely shocking examples of people falling through the net and ending in disaster constantly. I'm surprised it didn't get a mention.
14 years worth of cuts. Closed hospital institutions before the pandemic. Many parties have ignored those with mental health issues. Police are not trained to deal with people with mental health. Often treated with contempt.
Fixing our nation will take time. The medicine we need will be extremely bitter, almost like weening us off an addiction to decline. We need to be patient, get active in your community and be a part of making the changes we need instead of sitting and complaining about the government all the time
You guys should listen to yourselves. All labour do is tax & spend other people's money. If you voted Labour I have no sympathy. Enjoy your "medicine" I call it just being poorer.
@@garybradley2171 so people are happy to be worse off & potentially lose their jobs given 100k jobs are potentially at risk for "public services"? Seriously!?
A major government study was commissioned to understand this phenomenon. That is, people not wanting or not being able to work. It was discovered that they were sick and not idlers. That study was in 1842. This lead to the 1848 Public Health Act. Successive Public Health advances, continued to improve the situation. So, we have been here before. Public Health has been largely abandoned in the UK over the last 15 years. Nevertheless, the results are the same as in 1842. Our bodies have not changed in that time. It has resulted in people being too sick to work.
I had a life changing stroke at 61. I also have cancer and chronic prostatitis. I was almost in despair before receiving PIP. And I've had to reapply which is extremely stressful. I just don't get how so many are on sickness benefits unless they are entitled. People in the media have no idea how the process works. The Party formerly known as the Labour Party say they are the Party of "Working People" I no longer fit into this category. Before anyone says I qualify as I worked most of my life I would mention my brother. He's been disabled since birth. Where does he fit in? He's not "Working People" Pensioners and children don't fit the bill either. I got someone to write this. To say otherwise could jeopardise my benefit. “The whole world's in a terrible state of chassis”
In what way is this a personal attack at you or your brother? Labour aren't talking about forcing people into work, they are talking about giving people better chances to get back into the workplace, improving physical and mental health outcomes so people who are able to take advantage of them can get back to work and an independent productive life. The more people in work, the more productivity and the more facility to help those of us who aren't able to engage in the workplace. Do we really believe a third of the working age population are forever more incapable of work? If that's true then society and a welfare system are probably unworkable in the long term.
I had a life changing accident aged 31, we are a special category of lower than the lowest rung on the ladder. Socialism has become a dirty word, looking out for those unable to look out for themselves is alien to all of the capitalism loving America wannabes until they realise just how grim life is over there with their chlorinated chicken eating antics. Incapacity benefits aren't easy to get so I don't know how some can blag it unless it's genuine that so many people are sick.
The Tories have been in power for 32 of the last 45 years, do you seriously think this country is in the state it is because we haven't had enough Toryism?
In January-March I was signed off for 7 weeks with mental health issues. I went to my GP asking for support to get back to work. I was told that because I’m autistic, have ADHD, and other mental illnesses that it would be unwise for me to work. I changed GP and got support to return to work. Then in May took the decision to return near enough full time to the office. Arguably the best decision I made for my mental health. My social skills have come back to near pre Covid levels, my physical health was improving until I go and tear a ligament in my ankle 😫 but even at its worst I still took the decision to go into the office everyday. This hasn’t gone unnoticed by higher ups. Even my boss has noticed. I chose to give up a sport I love to prevent me having more sick as there’s a chance I’ll need surgery on my ankle at some point
0:52 I’m an experienced teacher who’s worked in education for 10 years and I can tell you now the teachers aren’t coming. Very lazy journalism from Andrew Marr
He rea6is a left wing muppet, these people don't live in the real world, He's on 300k a year & thinks he can tell normal people where they're going wrong 🤦♂️ The country is a complete mess, I work in construction & we have a huge short of tradesman but nobody leaving school wants to join the tradesman I dread to think where we'll be in 10yrs time,
Why would you want to be a teacher ,when some spotly little Herbert could get you the sack ,when you call him a boy,and he wants to called something else
The difficulties for someone with chronic illness and disability in being able to sustain work is what makes it so hard. He's basically implying it's some feckless lifestyle choice.
Why do you media people continue to refer to what was once called, rightly Social Security, as 'benefits'? You're playing the neoliberal game and I for one despise you for it.
Fyi Mr. Marr, I started feeling the benefit the moment I knew Labour had won. Every morning now I wake up with a sense of wonderment and joy that the spiv party aren't in the driving seat anymore.
Labour have upset quite a broad sector of the electorate. Considering how long they have been in power.Pensioners,Employers (who are voters too ) farmers .Who is next on the list??
I used to suspect Marr was a leftie when he was with the BBC. There's no doubt now and it makes you realise how biased against the Tories he really was. Disgusting and despicable.
Young people come out of UNIVERSITY and can't find a job related to their degree or they have to start at a company at the bottom and it makes them depressed and stressed out so go on the sick. Once you are tagged with that companies won't touch you and it's a death spiral.
Thank goodness the ‘adults are back in charge’ 🤔🙄🙄🙄 The whole country doesn’t revolve around the NHS and the fact the government thinks it does shows how closeted and parochial the Labour Party is. I don’t work just to keep the NHS in funds
They do have, and are working towards, other policy goals. You might want to check them out then you'll be in a better position to judge if they're making a success of their ambitions or not. Failure to do so just makes you appear to be a rosette voter who in reality cares little about the country or its people and is more concerned about their team winning. In other words, a typical voter.
The health issue in the UK has just been made far worse by Labour - Stress is the number killer and Labour have just turned this up to 11. The UK was desperate for a bit of calm especially for business owners and this has been made very stressful. Stress erodes the body in every way you can think and makes people chronically ill.
I’m fascinated by where these “6,500 teachers” are going to come from… it takes years to train them and at the moment far more are paving the profession than are joining… and most of those that do join leave after a very short time.
and FWIW I also feel it shows a shocking lack of journalistic questioning that this figure and the means by which it will be met have not been adequately integrated.
@ yes, you’re right. It’s for the same reasons as well… the system that builds houses needs to be built up. It’s completely unrealistic to think throwing money at a problem will instantly solve decades of neglect.
If straightening out the country's economy, to improve growth and fix our public services doesn't do it for you, what exactly do you want? What's your big plan?
I think the point they're making is there is likely a large number of people who are claiming for things like anxiety for example or ADHD and are absolutely over-egging how bad it actually is. I have no doubt that's happening on a large scale. However that doesn't mean that people who ARE really crippled by these conditions shouldn't be getting benefits. Similar story in the NHS with the ridiculous amount of people who call for ambulances when it's not a life or death situation. Or who go to A&E with minor injuries. Unfortunately I'm not sure any of these problems is going to be easy to "fix".
@@stuontwo677 How exactly do you know? Because the Daily Mail told you? It couldn't just be that many people are giving up, that there aren't enough jobs or that they look at the way the world is going and despair? Google the total number of job vacancies (840,000) and then look at how many are unemployed / off sick. It's a difference of about 4 million.
The UK is done. It’s very sad but Brexit was the final nail in the coffin. I have 7 years left here before I escape. Such a shame but the great nation that educated me, provided so many opportunities is over . Such self inflicted misery
What did people that voted Brexit expect? 😅 The UK won't ever recover to that it once was until the public wake up and start reading and understanding world politics!
You are wrong to blame Brexit it is high debt high taxes high rents and a stupid government that thinks to tax more and spend more will solve this.....when this governments policies destroy the £ and create more debt and probably higher unemployment...then the lefties will still cry...it is because of Brexit
Allow people to work self employed up to 10k a year on top of benefits for x years - but taxed in full no personal allowance, will help people get back into work, good cv etc, and break the mental i cannot work link (and raise money from the tax/ increase the rate of start up businesses) not the full solution just an idea?
Back into which jobs exactly? No one ever looks at how many actual vacancies that there are and notices that they are less than the total number of unemployed and sick people
@Phil-n7c I think an example might be- someone goes long term sick due to mental health, picks up a craft, let's say making coasters, then decides to sell them on etsy or something, mental health improves as they have more going for them and then they can come off benefits eventually.
Well articulated by Marr. Sickness means economic salvation for many families and individuals. If someone can be paid to stay in bed, why would they get up in the morning? No-one dares question the sickness of another. Parents are queueing to get children diagnosed with ADHD and mental issues on the autistic spectrum - it prepares the child for an illness career. The UK is a long way down a slippery slope.
Marr's a nutter, I do not choose to describe myself as disabled, but I'm paralysed down the left side! if I were put to work would the right side need to do twice as much work?If I do not work am I rotting?
He’s not talking about all disabled people. Of course there are people like yourself who genuinely need and deserve financial support. There are however lots of people on the margins who should be getting support finding work rather than being paid without proper assessments in place.
@@BlueTomBlue He's being political. No one ever looks at how many actual vacancies that there are and notices that they are far less than the total number of unemployed and sick people
Not sure if you are trolling…You do know Andrew Marr works pretty hard in spite of a pretty serious stroke and resulting disability? Obviously some people cannot work, but for the benefit of individuals and society we should help as many people as possible to contribute.
Britain won’t feel any benefit because they’ve killed off growth and there’s not enough money coming in via tax to make things better. One term Government 💯
Restricting Right to Buy is a good idea as so many ex-council flats have ended up being rented out for silly money. Also, for many council tenants in London and the south east, it will have minimal effect as their homes are now too expensive for them buy anyway. My small one bed flat is worth around £400k so there's no way I'd be able to get a mortgage on my salary.
No, not a chance. The economy and living standards are stagnant. If the UK applied to join the EEA 3rd pillar and the customs union after implementing inward checks (which is a legal requirement due to the TCA and WTO rules) for good in via Northern Ireland and the EU, fixing EU citizens rights and alignment to EU rules and standards (which Labour don't want for some crazy reason) then the population should start to feel the change after the two or three years of implementation and after a few years of operation. So, maybe by the end of the 2020s, early 2030s.
Starmer's authoritarian appearance is a very big part of the problem for the voters, that and the fact migration is through the roof, the people voted for Brexit because of immigration, the Tories won their elections on the promise of reducing immigration, the current level of dissent and dissatisfaction will continue until the political elite stop, listen and implement what the majority want
@garyh1572 I'm a remainer, it may well be that Brexit was never going to change immigration, but that was the reason a lot of people voted for it, but those who voted for Brexit due to their concerns over immigration had no other option because no government will listen to their concerns and nothing seems to be changing.
The problems of fixing the UK economy will take the best part of this parliament. The Gt. British electorate are unlikely to show the appreciation of that and in their righteous anger will boot the incumbent Government out and return the other cretins back to power. But you can never be sure. We can never be certain of outcomes in an unstable world.
I remember IDS changing the benefits system to encourage people to go to work and paying them their benefits as unemployment benefits as well. This seem to work very well.
Sometimes Andrew Marr talks sense, but other times he reveals a profound ignorance of the Unfortunates in our Society. For instance, he ignores the fact that basic state pensions in this country are the lowest in Europe. Try surviving on one - it's impossible without another source of income. The Triple Lock is essential to keep up with the cost of living and heating costs.
We have created a perfect storm for young people. We think as a society that the way to love children is to make their lives easier. So no part time jobs, no individual sports events, no smacking, no policemen clipping you round the ear for misbehaving in public. They are all driven to school, god forbid they should walk two miles in the rain. Schools have eliminated any sort of failure. Just say the word fail in front of a teacher and they twitch! The pandemic did absolutely nothing to children, that was done by Parliament. The way you create resilient, mentally tough adults with a work ethic is to test, stretch, challenge and pressurise children mentally and physically. I don’t mean abuse, but be tough on them. My dad’s generation lived their very young years through the blitz, spending every night in bombs shelters. Rationing, hunger, death and proper hardship. What was the result - a generation of tough, strong, hard working people who rebuilt our shattered country, working 6 day weeks. Their one week off a year was spent hop picking from dusk till dawn. We will never solve this, society is not tough enough, and if anyone suggested such strategies they would lose their jobs.
Failure was only tolerable back in the day because society had unionisation, churches and communal support networks. Thatcher binned all that and cast us all as (sovereign) individuals and heaven help the failures because nobody else will anymore. The work ethic is a joke. All the work-your-way-to-success stuff has proven to be as big a lie as Trickle-Down Economics. Our faith in the neoliberal world is gone - the only success we see is from Nepobabies who had a massive leg-up and an enviable support network. And the idea of working for the common good ... well, see point one. Thatcher got rid of that spirit, we're individuals now. Why work hard when half your money goes to your landlord to buy the house you live in? It's ridiculous, and will get worse as long as the core problem of inequality remains off-limits for politicians. By worse I mean we'll get ever-more-extreme politicians like Farage and Corbyn as people grope around for a solution further and further away from the centre.
This is what happens in a ‘nanny-state.’ The public takes advantage of the ‘freebies.’ Grow up and work. Stress? Like no one else in the world doesn’t experience that daily, but still shows up to their job everyday.
How long are we going to consider the impact of the pandemic? Are we to let it destroy the rest of people’s lives allowing them to just be sick, perceive themselves to be sick and force those that do work to support them forever? As Andrew says, other countries do not have the problem of a million young people going straight onto sickness benefits. Looking away from this problem will destroy the Labour party, and do enormous harm to the whole of society.
How long are we going to ignore the fact that the total number of job vacancies is far less than the total number of unemployed and sick people? The sickness benefit system is ALREADY very tight as I discovered myself
@@Phil-n7c according to the podcast, people on sickness benefit receive up to £100 a week more than those actively searching for work, and are not reviewed much when on it. Why is that ok? Of course, it is always hard when anyone is really sick or even unemployed when they really want to work, but we also know employers are bemoaning the lack of workers - does that mean everyone can get a job, of course not, but those that are able should try. The telling evidence that something more than just genuine sickness is going on in many cases is that the number of sick people has only exploded in Britain, but nowhere else. The long term effect of young people going straight on to either benefits long term will be catastrophic on their mental health in itself, and catastrophic for working people who have to support them.
@@MCDONALD6969 except the reality is the People became much poorer once the numpties in society voted for Brexit - so vote Brexit? Then you had a hand in making people poorer.
@Pobotrol really? May I kindly remind you that we now have record high taxes & every statistic is saying we are all worse off & that's before the 100k jobs that the CBI have mentioned are potentially at risk.
Things are going to get worse, a lot worse. People have gotten use to things just ticking along, not going up but not really going down either. With the budget just past we’re going to see a repeat of the latter half of the 70s, possibly worse.
How about the extra costs imposed by the in work and living with disability? I'm paying hundreds in medication alone, while PIP is near impossible to navigate for someone with mental health issues.
I remember saying to a guy that it would be great to be(the previous) crown prince: 50 years of job training and still a useless ah person. Or remember Hunt saying how hard it was to scrape by on £100k a year? You're in charge of the economy: give everyone a tax credit.
Not whilst that tyrant is running the show. Letting dangerous criminals out of prison, but arresting and jailing people for their online opinions. He's a joke, and so far removed from what the people expect from a Labour PM
The panel have no idea what they are talking about. None have mentioned Public Health once. They probably have no idea what it is. I studied Public Health at college. Lots of people did. Why aren't any of them discussing this problem.
Given the exdodus of landlords from the market , expect rent to rise c 10pc a yesr for the next 5yrs AND a big increase in families living in temporary accomodation. Labour havent thought this one through
Why keep saying pension triple lock cannot continue, too expensive?. They did not exactly get a massive pension rise this April did they or am I missing something?
The pandemic was traumatic for everyone, children, adolescents significantly more, yes! These are different times AI will build into this & the 2 current wars, Orwellian!
The answer is never. Taxes too high, spending to high (and on the wrong things) so no surprise you end up with an economy with anaemic growth and declining living standards.
No ever asks, why so many on the sick, it's a mixture of things, to many for me to text,another thing, the people on the sick ,know more the system than the people who work in the benefits offices,and most of them know how to play and beat the system
I wonder how much is neoliberalism to blame for the social decline and spiking inequality of the last decades on developed countries
The selling out of the working class in developed nations by executives in the search for short term growth which is causing long term decline is an alarmingly important matter!
All of it
Neoliberal/laissez faire capitalism is the root cause. These shitlibs at NS are blind to this, they are fully blue filled There Is No Alternative thatcherites. Pray for some trickledown.
@@EarlofSalop Welcome to the new American Empire starting 2025. The old one tried to cover its actions in morality and democracy - “the fight for freedom”. Now the USA will openly conquer who its wants to and impose its will on whomever it chooses. If you don’t believe me Google Project 2025.
I asked AI to tell me if Thatcher's policies had benefitted the ordinary citizen using RIGHT WING sources, and it said no.
Wow I’m glad Andrew hit the nail 100% on the head with disability benefits. He is spot on and I totally agree with his assessment. Once the word got out during the pandemic and people realised they can stay at home with their families and be the same financially (if not better in a lot of cases) as if they were at work it would soon get out of hand and be totally unsustainable. Well done for the guys on here to be brave enough to come out and say it. It’ll be a very tough job for the government to sort out however.
It's definitely a plague in our system. We did not do enough post pandemic to help make young people become resilient to isolation and should have helped equip and build those bridges when we come out of the pandemic. I do agree with the comments that I think that work has become less desirable because rent is so expensive for young people, they don't feel they get a good deal, productivity has decreased across all deciles even though employment has gone up. We need to help improve mental health services and access (as someone who suffered months of long waits for my BPD diagnosis, I know how it feels) but also make what you earn go beyond just surviving but make it living for people.
@@FilmNerdy You don’t suggest how?
@lestrem11 Well it should be pretty self evident in my comments right? We need to have a robust mental health services, these need to get into schools, we need Job Centres and health services to be working together and collaboratively, we need to be funding mental health with the same piarty as physical health, and of course we need to correct things within our economy. Rent needs to be looked at but I don't think that can be achieved with rent controls we need a competitive market where social housing can compete with the private sector. I could go on but I am not here to give a list of policies. Can I ask what you would suggest since you so quick to make judgements.
But judging on your comment history, you are just here to sit on your ivory tower to pass comment and be hostile rather than to inform or present ideas. So pot kettle black much?
The decline is permanent. The U.K. is a poor country with a few rich people. Our per capita purchasing power used to be roughly equal to that of the U.S. in 2001. Now, the average American is so much wealthier than the average Britain, it's tragic.
Before COVID there were 78 billionaires domiciled In this country. Today that number is 168 ! I wonder why that is. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
You’re right, but the US is the same tbh, some extremely rich people, but also some very poor people, loads of countries are realistically
wrong... its 2010. also france and germany are in the same boat
There's an easy and existing solution. It's called Taxation. Our aristocrats aren't moving to Monaco, and they certainly aren't taking 1 million acres of land with them. There is plenty of money to go around, it's just not going around!
@jonathancorbyn8203
Not sure the very comfortable and affluent middle class would agree with you.
1-term is looking increasingly likely… they had a very small share of the vote in the GE and have since annoyed pensioners, farmers, the well off and business which is hardly a good start as all these types of people vote
working is not worth it for many young people, rents are too high and the UK has an acute Feudal problem with barely any housing going around. It takes away upto 60% of someone's income, add bills and there is barely anything left to even eat...easy for younger people to conclude that working isnt worth it in low paid, low productivity Britain.
Add University bill of £ 30,000
I bought my first house in the 1970s, after all my expenses(food, utilities etc)I had £3 a month spare. I worked in pub 2 nights a week to help finances, sat in dark some nights and cried when someone gave me an old tv and I had to buy a license. Times were different then. I knew it would get better but it was hard going at first. I feel sorry for young people now, there’s so much to spend their money on.
So do young people expect tax payers to pay for them?
No wonder no one wants to set up business in a work shy nation.
@@susannewton3757with all due respect but you can’t compare what you went through to what the youth of today are going through. You lived through Thatcher’s right to buy scheme for example which propelled many people out of poverty, which in turn helped to put more families kids in Universities . Parents were able to get their children on the property ladder by helping out with deposits which for obvious reasons isn’t happening to the same extent now.
While there will always be a section of society that will always try the easy route, we need to be much more understanding of a generation that will lead our country in the future.
@ I do understand what you’re saying but it does seem to me too easy to say things are different now, of course they are but I came from a poor background and had to work, my parents couldn’t afford to keep me. I don’t remember anyone I knew not working, parents would simply not have allowed it. Also getting dole was no easy option and it wasn’t spending money, it was for your keep.
A.Rayner employment reforms could result in less people being employed in the first place.
I personally feel that the Cameron government and it's atrocious austerity policy, it's manifest failures on immigration, Europe, and defence is probably the single most important reason that Britain is in such a mess !
Is Cameron austerity different to Labour austerity? It feels the same to me.
I think something of note is how shockingly bad the mental health services in this country can be. We see absolutely shocking examples of people falling through the net and ending in disaster constantly. I'm surprised it didn't get a mention.
14 years worth of cuts.
Closed hospital institutions before the pandemic.
Many parties have ignored those with mental health issues.
Police are not trained to deal with people with mental health.
Often treated with contempt.
They are bad, but don’t think it is so much better elsewhere. Try to mental health help in Germany.
Fixing our nation will take time. The medicine we need will be extremely bitter, almost like weening us off an addiction to decline. We need to be patient, get active in your community and be a part of making the changes we need instead of sitting and complaining about the government all the time
Ii agree but we need to make stop people milking the systerm and they will always be a small minority that do this
You guys should listen to yourselves. All labour do is tax & spend other people's money.
If you voted Labour I have no sympathy. Enjoy your "medicine"
I call it just being poorer.
@@MCDONALD6969isn’t that exactly what people voted for… improved public services?
@@MCDONALD6969 And your vote went to.......?
@@garybradley2171 so people are happy to be worse off & potentially lose their jobs given 100k jobs are potentially at risk for "public services"? Seriously!?
The Tories created a “hostile environment”.
A major government study was commissioned to understand this phenomenon. That is, people not wanting or not being able to work. It was discovered that they were sick and not idlers. That study was in 1842. This lead to the 1848 Public Health Act. Successive Public Health advances, continued to improve the situation. So, we have been here before. Public Health has been largely abandoned in the UK over the last 15 years. Nevertheless, the results are the same as in 1842. Our bodies have not changed in that time. It has resulted in people being too sick to work.
I had a life changing stroke at 61.
I also have cancer and chronic prostatitis.
I was almost in despair before receiving PIP.
And I've had to reapply which is extremely stressful.
I just don't get how so many are on sickness benefits unless they are entitled.
People in the media have no idea how the process works.
The Party formerly known as the Labour Party say they are the Party of "Working People"
I no longer fit into this category.
Before anyone says I qualify as I worked most of my life I would mention my brother.
He's been disabled since birth.
Where does he fit in?
He's not "Working People"
Pensioners and children don't fit the bill either.
I got someone to write this.
To say otherwise could jeopardise my benefit.
“The whole world's in a terrible state of chassis”
In what way is this a personal attack at you or your brother? Labour aren't talking about forcing people into work, they are talking about giving people better chances to get back into the workplace, improving physical and mental health outcomes so people who are able to take advantage of them can get back to work and an independent productive life. The more people in work, the more productivity and the more facility to help those of us who aren't able to engage in the workplace.
Do we really believe a third of the working age population are forever more incapable of work? If that's true then society and a welfare system are probably unworkable in the long term.
I had a life changing accident aged 31, we are a special category of lower than the lowest rung on the ladder. Socialism has become a dirty word, looking out for those unable to look out for themselves is alien to all of the capitalism loving America wannabes until they realise just how grim life is over there with their chlorinated chicken eating antics.
Incapacity benefits aren't easy to get so I don't know how some can blag it unless it's genuine that so many people are sick.
@@Pobotrol Get back to work!
They never were Boris Bikes, the scheme was Ken Livingstone's idea.
Which proves their point even moreso.
Proves how bad our journalists are.
Boris buses are a thing and they’re not fix for purpose. Says it all.
"When will Britain feel the benefit of a Labour government?"
The day after it's booted out.
agree lib dem will sort it all out
The Tories have been in power for 32 of the last 45 years, do you seriously think this country is in the state it is because we haven't had enough Toryism?
Searing analysis. Thanks for playing.
And replaced by??? The last lot again? The very WORST Government in the history of this country! Incompetent, Corrupt Liars to boot......
In January-March I was signed off for 7 weeks with mental health issues. I went to my GP asking for support to get back to work. I was told that because I’m autistic, have ADHD, and other mental illnesses that it would be unwise for me to work. I changed GP and got support to return to work. Then in May took the decision to return near enough full time to the office. Arguably the best decision I made for my mental health. My social skills have come back to near pre Covid levels, my physical health was improving until I go and tear a ligament in my ankle 😫 but even at its worst I still took the decision to go into the office everyday. This hasn’t gone unnoticed by higher ups. Even my boss has noticed. I chose to give up a sport I love to prevent me having more sick as there’s a chance I’ll need surgery on my ankle at some point
Well done
0:52 I’m an experienced teacher who’s worked in education for 10 years and I can tell you now the teachers aren’t coming. Very lazy journalism from Andrew Marr
He rea6is a left wing muppet, these people don't live in the real world,
He's on 300k a year & thinks he can tell normal people where they're going wrong 🤦♂️
The country is a complete mess,
I work in construction & we have a huge short of tradesman but nobody leaving school wants to join the tradesman
I dread to think where we'll be in 10yrs time,
Why would you want to be a teacher ,when some spotly little Herbert could get you the sack ,when you call him a boy,and he wants to called something else
The difficulties for someone with chronic illness and disability in being able to sustain work is what makes it so hard. He's basically implying it's some feckless lifestyle choice.
Sometimes it is.
Why do you media people continue to refer to what was once called, rightly Social Security, as 'benefits'? You're playing the neoliberal game and I for one despise you for it.
Fyi Mr. Marr, I started feeling the benefit the moment I knew Labour had won. Every morning now I wake up with a sense of wonderment and joy that the spiv party aren't in the driving seat anymore.
I have to say it's nice not waking up to a constant stream of Tory sleaze, scandals and a weekly staff change.
You are of course being ironic!
Unfortunately we are now poorer to. If you think that is getting better you need medical help.👍
It took the Tories 14 years to do the damage...I'm afraid it's gonna take Labour a little time to fix things.
They never will fix it just make it 10 times worse
You are going to be in for a massive disappointment.
Maybe the government will improve matters by making life in the UK less crap.
“It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.” ― Yogi Berra
The cartoon character? "Smarter than the average bear"
Labour have upset quite a broad sector of the electorate. Considering how long they have been in power.Pensioners,Employers (who are voters too ) farmers .Who is next on the list??
I used to suspect Marr was a leftie when he was with the BBC. There's no doubt now and it makes you realise how biased against the Tories he really was. Disgusting and despicable.
Young people come out of UNIVERSITY and can't find a job related to their degree or they have to start at a company at the bottom and it makes them depressed and stressed out so go on the sick.
Once you are tagged with that companies won't touch you and it's a death spiral.
Bang on the money Andrew
to Marr: it totally insane to reassess people with brain damage. he should know since he has it!
tw@
Thank goodness the ‘adults are back in charge’
🤔🙄🙄🙄
The whole country doesn’t revolve around the NHS and the fact the government thinks it does shows how closeted and parochial the Labour Party is.
I don’t work just to keep the NHS in funds
They do have, and are working towards, other policy goals. You might want to check them out then you'll be in a better position to judge if they're making a success of their ambitions or not. Failure to do so just makes you appear to be a rosette voter who in reality cares little about the country or its people and is more concerned about their team winning. In other words, a typical voter.
For a long time UK has experienced decline. Governements are managing this decline. The general trend is down.
Great point by Rachel about reactions to incumbent governments, makes a lot of sense.
The health issue in the UK has just been made far worse by Labour - Stress is the number killer and Labour have just turned this up to 11. The UK was desperate for a bit of calm especially for business owners and this has been made very stressful. Stress erodes the body in every way you can think and makes people chronically ill.
I’m fascinated by where these “6,500 teachers” are going to come from… it takes years to train them and at the moment far more are paving the profession than are joining… and most of those that do join leave after a very short time.
and FWIW I also feel it shows a shocking lack of journalistic questioning that this figure and the means by which it will be met have not been adequately integrated.
Same thing with housing. The target is completely unrealistic
@ yes, you’re right. It’s for the same reasons as well… the system that builds houses needs to be built up. It’s completely unrealistic to think throwing money at a problem will instantly solve decades of neglect.
Things will never get better under Labour
When? When we are all speaking Mandarin and Beijing is our Capital.
its like being punched in the face, and asking when will I start feeling the benefits.
Never .
F o o l
If straightening out the country's economy, to improve growth and fix our public services doesn't do it for you, what exactly do you want?
What's your big plan?
Never,Starmer,Reeves et al need to be got rid off,by any means available to us.
"There does seem to be over-diagnosis and misdiagnosis going on" says the woman who has no medical qualifications at all!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think the point they're making is there is likely a large number of people who are claiming for things like anxiety for example or ADHD and are absolutely over-egging how bad it actually is. I have no doubt that's happening on a large scale. However that doesn't mean that people who ARE really crippled by these conditions shouldn't be getting benefits.
Similar story in the NHS with the ridiculous amount of people who call for ambulances when it's not a life or death situation. Or who go to A&E with minor injuries.
Unfortunately I'm not sure any of these problems is going to be easy to "fix".
@@stuontwo677 How exactly do you know? Because the Daily Mail told you? It couldn't just be that many people are giving up, that there aren't enough jobs or that they look at the way the world is going and despair? Google the total number of job vacancies (840,000) and then look at how many are unemployed / off sick. It's a difference of about 4 million.
The UK is done. It’s very sad but Brexit was the final nail in the coffin. I have 7 years left here before I escape. Such a shame but the great nation that educated me, provided so many opportunities is over . Such self inflicted misery
ABSOLUTELY NEVER. WILSON,BLAIR,BROWN,STARMER, ALL COMPLETE CLUELESS WASTERS!
Whichever cabinet minister said they’ll be a one term government should be fired. Because they’re not a very good politician!
What did people that voted Brexit expect? 😅 The UK won't ever recover to that it once was until the public wake up and start reading and understanding world politics!
You are wrong to blame Brexit it is high debt high taxes high rents and a stupid government that thinks to tax more and spend more will solve this.....when this governments policies destroy the £ and create more debt and probably higher unemployment...then the lefties will still cry...it is because of Brexit
Allow people to work self employed up to 10k a year on top of benefits for x years - but taxed in full no personal allowance, will help people get back into work, good cv etc, and break the mental i cannot work link (and raise money from the tax/ increase the rate of start up businesses) not the full solution just an idea?
Back into which jobs exactly? No one ever looks at how many actual vacancies that there are and notices that they are less than the total number of unemployed and sick people
@Phil-n7c I think an example might be- someone goes long term sick due to mental health, picks up a craft, let's say making coasters, then decides to sell them on etsy or something, mental health improves as they have more going for them and then they can come off benefits eventually.
UKs been in decline for 40 years not just since 2008.
Well articulated by Marr. Sickness means economic salvation for many families and individuals. If someone can be paid to stay in bed, why would they get up in the morning? No-one dares question the sickness of another. Parents are queueing to get children diagnosed with ADHD and mental issues on the autistic spectrum - it prepares the child for an illness career. The UK is a long way down a slippery slope.
Marr's a nutter, I do not choose to describe myself as disabled, but I'm paralysed down the left side! if I were put to work would the right side need to do twice as much work?If I do not work am I rotting?
He’s not talking about all disabled people. Of course there are people like yourself who genuinely need and deserve financial support. There are however lots of people on the margins who should be getting support finding work rather than being paid without proper assessments in place.
@@BlueTomBlue He's being political. No one ever looks at how many actual vacancies that there are and notices that they are far less than the total number of unemployed and sick people
Every year there are billions in unclaimed benefits, food for thought
@@BlueTomBlue But Marr spoke of "those who describe themselves as disabled", he's a nut job, to keep things simple.
Not sure if you are trolling…You do know Andrew Marr works pretty hard in spite of a pretty serious stroke and resulting disability?
Obviously some people cannot work, but for the benefit of individuals and society we should help as many people as possible to contribute.
FFS Labour have been in power for only 5 months!
Britain won’t feel any benefit because they’ve killed off growth and there’s not enough money coming in via tax to make things better. One term Government 💯
An Irish border poll could be arranged in six months.
When they’re voted out. Full stop
A Labour government restricting right to buy and getting rid the winter fuel for pensioners needs to be assigned to history.
Restricting Right to Buy is a good idea as so many ex-council flats have ended up being rented out for silly money. Also, for many council tenants in London and the south east, it will have minimal effect as their homes are now too expensive for them buy anyway. My small one bed flat is worth around £400k so there's no way I'd be able to get a mortgage on my salary.
'Boris bikes' might have acquired Johnson's name, but the idea came from Ken Livingstone and was announced during his Mayoral term.
No, not a chance. The economy and living standards are stagnant.
If the UK applied to join the EEA 3rd pillar and the customs union after implementing inward checks (which is a legal requirement due to the TCA and WTO rules) for good in via Northern Ireland and the EU, fixing EU citizens rights and alignment to EU rules and standards (which Labour don't want for some crazy reason) then the population should start to feel the change after the two or three years of implementation and after a few years of operation. So, maybe by the end of the 2020s, early 2030s.
Starmer's authoritarian appearance is a very big part of the problem for the voters, that and the fact migration is through the roof, the people voted for Brexit because of immigration, the Tories won their elections on the promise of reducing immigration, the current level of dissent and dissatisfaction will continue until the political elite stop, listen and implement what the majority want
Brexit was NEVER going to reduce immigration. You're a mug for falling for it .
@garyh1572 I'm a remainer, it may well be that Brexit was never going to change immigration, but that was the reason a lot of people voted for it, but those who voted for Brexit due to their concerns over immigration had no other option because no government will listen to their concerns and nothing seems to be changing.
The problems of fixing the UK economy will take the best part of this parliament. The Gt. British electorate are unlikely to show the appreciation of that and in their righteous anger will boot the incumbent Government out and return the other cretins back to power. But you can never be sure. We can never be certain of outcomes in an unstable world.
I remember IDS changing the benefits system to encourage people to go to work and paying them their benefits as unemployment benefits as well. This seem to work very well.
Our inflation rise is a direct response to the Reeves budget.
Defo a one term government, his authoritarian, doesn’t listen, turfs out prisoners to sentence political prisoners. Two tier everything Keir.
Don’t hold you breath they seem identical to the Tory government !
Hilarious premise in the question! 😂
My partner is terminal ill and a Doctor sign the forms. There is no way she can work.
Andrew's comments are quite offensive
The only way of bringing down the health budget… is to increase the health budget. Mend it.
Ah even Marr is questioning Starmer. It’s over
The day after the next election…
Sometimes Andrew Marr talks sense, but other times he reveals a profound ignorance of the Unfortunates in our Society. For instance, he ignores the fact that basic state pensions in this country are the lowest in Europe. Try surviving on one - it's impossible without another source of income. The Triple Lock is essential to keep up with the cost of living and heating costs.
We have created a perfect storm for young people. We think as a society that the way to love children is to make their lives easier. So no part time jobs, no individual sports events, no smacking, no policemen clipping you round the ear for misbehaving in public. They are all driven to school, god forbid they should walk two miles in the rain. Schools have eliminated any sort of failure. Just say the word fail in front of a teacher and they twitch! The pandemic did absolutely nothing to children, that was done by Parliament. The way you create resilient, mentally tough adults with a work ethic is to test, stretch, challenge and pressurise children mentally and physically. I don’t mean abuse, but be tough on them. My dad’s generation lived their very young years through the blitz, spending every night in bombs shelters. Rationing, hunger, death and proper hardship. What was the result - a generation of tough, strong, hard working people who rebuilt our shattered country, working 6 day weeks. Their one week off a year was spent hop picking from dusk till dawn. We will never solve this, society is not tough enough, and if anyone suggested such strategies they would lose their jobs.
Failure was only tolerable back in the day because society had unionisation, churches and communal support networks. Thatcher binned all that and cast us all as (sovereign) individuals and heaven help the failures because nobody else will anymore.
The work ethic is a joke. All the work-your-way-to-success stuff has proven to be as big a lie as Trickle-Down Economics. Our faith in the neoliberal world is gone - the only success we see is from Nepobabies who had a massive leg-up and an enviable support network. And the idea of working for the common good ... well, see point one. Thatcher got rid of that spirit, we're individuals now.
Why work hard when half your money goes to your landlord to buy the house you live in? It's ridiculous, and will get worse as long as the core problem of inequality remains off-limits for politicians. By worse I mean we'll get ever-more-extreme politicians like Farage and Corbyn as people grope around for a solution further and further away from the centre.
I come here for a laugh because it’s clearly where the comedy is a joke
Never. What a ridiculous question!!
Thank you for playing.
Unless they rejoin the single market and customs union, they are fighting an impossible battle.
This is what happens in a ‘nanny-state.’ The public takes advantage of the ‘freebies.’ Grow up and work. Stress? Like no one else in the world doesn’t experience that daily, but still shows up to their job everyday.
I know some people who turn up to their lousy job everyday. They are on borrowed time.
Many are trapped. It needs to be worth going to work!
And I agree with Rachael, nothing has gotten better since Cameron and Osborne 's austerity, but the people have been left behind.
When its gone.
How long are we going to consider the impact of the pandemic? Are we to let it destroy the rest of people’s lives allowing them to just be sick, perceive themselves to be sick and force those that do work to support them forever? As Andrew says, other countries do not have the problem of a million young people going straight onto sickness benefits. Looking away from this problem will destroy the Labour party, and do enormous harm to the whole of society.
How long are we going to ignore the fact that the total number of job vacancies is far less than the total number of unemployed and sick people? The sickness benefit system is ALREADY very tight as I discovered myself
@@Phil-n7c according to the podcast, people on sickness benefit receive up to £100 a week more than those actively searching for work, and are not reviewed much when on it. Why is that ok? Of course, it is always hard when anyone is really sick or even unemployed when they really want to work, but we also know employers are bemoaning the lack of workers - does that mean everyone can get a job, of course not, but those that are able should try. The telling evidence that something more than just genuine sickness is going on in many cases is that the number of sick people has only exploded in Britain, but nowhere else. The long term effect of young people going straight on to either benefits long term will be catastrophic on their mental health in itself, and catastrophic for working people who have to support them.
I would say segment title could be shortened to ‘NS Cope’, but that has basically been the past 4 months anyway.
Do you really think a country can change in 4 months?
You would be depressed if you had to live on minimum wage. Labour likes to imprison people on benefits.
Gloomy atmosphere amongst the Labour cheerleaders 🤣
Vote labour vote to be poorer
It isn't difficult.
@@MCDONALD6969 except the reality is the People became much poorer once the numpties in society voted for Brexit - so vote Brexit? Then you had a hand in making people poorer.
@@MCDONALD6969 Couldn't be much poorer than the Tories made us.
@Pobotrol really? May I kindly remind you that we now have record high taxes & every statistic is saying we are all worse off & that's before the 100k jobs that the CBI have mentioned are potentially at risk.
@@Pobotrolnothing like glossing over that fact - to a Brexiter.
Things are going to get worse, a lot worse. People have gotten use to things just ticking along, not going up but not really going down either. With the budget just past we’re going to see a repeat of the latter half of the 70s, possibly worse.
"When will Britain feel the benefit of a Labour government?" A really good fat joke. 😃
Who do you propose take over?
Some of these reforms will take time. And short termism has been the norm with the Tories. It’s early days. Hold your nerve and don’t be sidetracked.
How about the extra costs imposed by the in work and living with disability? I'm paying hundreds in medication alone, while PIP is near impossible to navigate for someone with mental health issues.
How about never!!!
I remember saying to a guy that it would be great to be(the previous) crown prince: 50 years of job training and still a useless ah person.
Or remember Hunt saying how hard it was to scrape by on £100k a year? You're in charge of the economy: give everyone a tax credit.
Not whilst that tyrant is running the show. Letting dangerous criminals out of prison, but arresting and jailing people for their online opinions. He's a joke, and so far removed from what the people expect from a Labour PM
Simple,never
Why do people say ''impacted'' so much now?
The panel have no idea what they are talking about. None have mentioned Public Health once. They probably have no idea what it is. I studied Public Health at college. Lots of people did. Why aren't any of them discussing this problem.
20 minutes of film-flam…no mention of the petition.
When Britains trial run of Marxism ends.
Oops I'm on the wrong channel.
Never it seems
Given the exdodus of landlords from the market , expect rent to rise c 10pc a yesr for the next 5yrs AND a big increase in families living in temporary accomodation. Labour havent thought this one through
Keep pushing younger generations to their limits while protecting the elders. Guess who pays the pensions of the later ones.
When they have gone
Never
And landlords are going to drop off a cliff so renters won’t have homes. Where are the 6000 teachers coming from ??? Oh yes thin air…..
Why keep saying pension triple lock cannot continue, too expensive?. They did not exactly get a massive pension rise this April did they or am I missing something?
The pandemic was traumatic for everyone, children, adolescents significantly more, yes! These are different times AI will build into this & the 2 current wars, Orwellian!
The answer is never. Taxes too high, spending to high (and on the wrong things) so no surprise you end up with an economy with anaemic growth and declining living standards.
No ever asks, why so many on the sick, it's a mixture of things, to many for me to text,another thing, the people on the sick ,know more the system than the people who work in the benefits offices,and most of them know how to play and beat the system
‘No 6,500 teachers yet’, can’t believe Labour haven’t delivered these in 5 months!
Are you serious journalist or not.
FFS