Are you sure those Boletes you're harvesting are edible? A look at toxic Boletes
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- Опубліковано 3 тра 2021
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Interesting video. Living in Germany, there are only few boletes here that can make you seriously ill even after cooking them well, and those are easily identified. Of course I wouldn't suggest to anyone to pick and eat random boletes in Germany, you always better know what you are doing when you eat any plant or mushroom or whatnot you found in the wild. Found yesterday a cluster of sheathed woodtufts in the forest, which were my parents most favorite mushrooms to pick and dry. But I was only like 95% sure it were the right ones and not their poisonous lookalikes, so I'd rather not risk it. But we found some nice scarletina boletes and saw a beautiful old man of the woods mushroom that we didn't pick but only made a photo of.
Thanks for sharing your experiences in Germany!
Butyriboletus primiregius is what the species was believed to be and it was most certainly not "Boletus sensibilis" which I see is the common mixup.
This is helpful and sensible. I think folks interested in foraging mushrooms should first learn to identify their local deadly toxic and seriously toxic species. From there, one’s in a much better position to begin learning and eating the edible species. Being confident that you’re not holding something that will kill you is a good feeling when eating your first wild mushroom. Thanks for the video. Cheers
Thanks for watching, Carey, and for your comments!
I grew up hunting for Boletes and others as a child in Latvia. Now living in Northern VA with many blue-staining "Bi-color Boletes" 'questionable' beauties all over my mossy yard - yellow sponge with ink-staining bruising. I won't chance it. I read that in Switzerland (?) one may take mushrooms to a pharmacy to have them tested for toxicity. Years ago a European "expert forager" visited New York with his family. He was delighted to find lots of mushrooms all over Central Park on a Fall stroll. He collected and cooked them for his family, poisoning himself, his wife and children. My parents and I considered ourselves experienced, but understood that continents do make a difference. I spent many times in Central Park and yes, there were many suspicious Boletes in addition to the clearly poisonous ones.
Great comment. I also don't trust myself to decide which red-pored, blue-staining boletes are edible and which are not, even after 25+ years of foraging. Plenty of our local edible boletes that are easier to distinguish. Great point on the cross-continental picking of mushrooms. This is where a lot of the severe poisonings and fatalities come from. Something that looks like ones favorite mushroom back home...
There is only one bolete to worry about "Satans bolete" and it is extremely easy to identify as it is solid red, no bolete is actually fatal though , 99% of boletes in America are edible but some are bitter or cause digestive problems , they are the best foraging starter shroom as the danger level is nearly non-existent 💯💊
I agree that the leccinum is not that great tasting cooked fresh but I dry them and add to soups through the winter. They turn black and are very crunchy when rehydrated and cooked. I also like them rehydrated and fried with onions and garlic in an omlete or scrambled eggs. It's the most commom edible mushroom in the Fairbanks AK area where I harvest. A friend had stomach upset when eating them uncooked. The prized king bolete is less common, unfortunately. I prefer them fresh cooked.
Thank you for sharing!
My father died of bladder and liver cancer and had eaten tons of agarics and wild boletes. He was super experimental and had eaten a lbs of amanita muscaria once and slept for 4 days. So take the mushrooms seriously. People honestly don’t really know for sure how toxic most mushrooms are. Don’t play around unless you want to risk liver death, bladder cancer, insanity etc….
I'm sorry for your loss : (
Do you know if he kept a notebook or took any notes during these experiments? Could be interesting rip to your pops.
Current thought is there are no toxic Boletes in Florida.
Good to know! Though I wouldn't stake my health on it and would want to eat only the ones I've been shown by a local expert.
Great info thanks
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Miss Anna what is your opinion on bicolor bolete that stains rapidly blue...very common here in Florida, seems 50/50 to what people think...?
Hi! I actually don't know anything about the boletes in Florida. You might look up your local mycological society. These are a great source of information for one's area : )
Thanks Anna.
Hi Dr Anna, there is a kind of Boletes in China call Boletus luridus(Chinese in见手青), Is it safe to eat a small amount when made it into dry mushroom? Basically Im asking is this kind of mushroom has a same effect as the magic mushroom like golden teachers? Thank you !
Hi Alex. Boletus luridis (now Suillus luridis) is not hallucinogenic. This species is edible only if well cooked. But, it can it can easily confused with seriously toxic boletes, so not one I recommend people mess with unless they know the mushroom really well.
@@annamarijaheltphdherbalist800 Thank you for the answer! And I just learned that this kind of mushroom does not contain psilocin.
I was introduced by a forager to some boletes with yellow flesh that oxidizes blue up in Northern California on Month Shasta. We enjoyed them for weeks until we started to stumble across some that were varyingly bitter. Some so bitter it was distinctly inedible and one would not be inclined to swallow it. But the more mildly bitter ones we just went ahead and included multiple times when we came up with smaller harvests. And each time we made these exceptions we felt sick. Usually proportionally to how bitter they were. I was curious if we'd encountered a contaminated patch, a species that is toxic at only certain points in it's development, or perhaps a hybridized species between the edible ones and another inedible ones. I know such things have made folks sick where I live now in central California.
Wow, that's fascinating! We have several poorly defined Leccinum species here in the Rockies, and some folks get quite sick (a couple days of nasty digestive distress) eating them. Others don't. It's not clear if some people simply react to them. Or if there is a toxic Leccinum here. (Or both.) I wonder what's going on with the ones you encountered. If growth stage or specific location is altering chemistry or if they are different but, perhaps, closely related species. Thanks so much for sharing.
The Bitter Bolete (Tylopilus felleus). Not poisonous but certainly not one for the cooking pot, especially if you get a very bitter one …
Any consensus on the edibility of 'butter-foot boletes' B. auripes? I'm finding lots here in western Quebec.
I've not seen much on it with respect to edibility. I see 1 reference saying it's edible (not counting wikipedia, which I wouldn't stake my health on). Your best bet is to reach out to a mycological society in your neck of the woods. For example: www.irbv.umontreal.ca/recherche/collections/fongarium-du-cercle-des-mycologues-de-montreal?lang=en
I'm in New Brunswick and those happen to be one of my favorites. I call them lemon boletes cuz they're yellow and have a bit of tartness to them. They're really firm, kinda crunchy, when they're young.
Good to know. I thought that poisonous boletes just cause a bad stomach ache.
That may be the case much of the time. But there are a handful of pretty toxic Rubroboletus species (and others) to be aware of. A number of the so-called red pored boletes are edible, but some are dangerous. I don't trust myself to tell the difference and will stick with the species I know : )
I harvested some of the orange leccinum mushrooms . The ones you said you’ve tried and brides kind of blue . I was too scared to eat them because I heard that all mushrooms that bruise blue can induce trips . Is this true ? Everyone that has tried this type have said that they aren’t that great . So I think I’ll just avoid eating these 😅
Hi Anna! There are some boletes that stain blue that are toxic (not all of them, but enough of them that it's a good rule of thumb to avoid them unless extremely well versed in boletes). The blue doesn't indicate a hallucinogenic fungus. In terms of Leccinum, some folks get a not so great gastrointestinal reaction to them. Not clear if there are toxic Leccinum species out there of if it's that some folks simply don't react well to them. I don't think Leccinums taste that great...
Most Psilocybin mushrooms do stain blue "liberty caps" but blue is not a rule of thumb for any mushroom to have psilocybin , also many mushrooms are hallucinogenic that are not psilocybe shooms "Death Caps=amanitas" are extremely hallucinogenic when prepared correctly but have ZERO psilocybin
I've eaten the orange capped leccinum with no problems. They turn an off putting black when you cook them though.
I've eaten a local Leccinum though it wasn't very good. My student had a good friend who developed severe diarrhea and vomiting for 2 days after eating one. Not clear if different folks have different reactivity to them or if one of the species here in the Southern Rockies is toxic.
what is the name of the last one? there was no picture
The very last ones mentioned were Boletus huronensis and a Leccium (scaber stalk) species
I once saw Leccinum boletes for sale at my local farmer's market. Should I let the person selling them know that they are poisonous?
Good question. I've eaten them with no problem but others have gotten nasty GI stuff. It's not clear if there's a toxic species here in the Rockies amongst safe ones, or if some folks simply have a nasty reaction to this genus. You could mention this. They might be someone who's eaten the species they harvest for years, and have not had anyone report a problem. (Safe species? Lucky person?)
Does it make you hallucinate yes or no
My mother is one of those "never eat a mushroom that isn't bought from the store" people. She seems to be sort of receptive with my information about chantarelle, morele, and bolete mushrooms though. And I thought that there were no deadly poisonous boletes - that the worse that would happen is that your digestive tract would hate you for awhile. I do know how to identify chantarelle and morele mushrooms, and I heard that the lion's mane has no deadly look-alikes in the US. Is this true?
If you're properly identifying it, I'm not aware of any toxic/deadly Lion's Mane lookalikes. It's such a distinctive looking mushroom. Of course pay attention to where you're finding it (meaning, is this a habitat where it grows), and all the other stuff that goes into IDing... Thanks for watching!
@@annamarijaheltphdherbalist800 Thanks! I do wish that people wouldn't subscribe to this blanket restriction on all wild mushrooms since there ARE ways to tell if a wild mushroom is safe. I mean, a mushroom hunter can lower the risk by 90% just by avoiding amanitas - the worst mushroom death offenders.
@@DollyNipples Yah, aside from children randomly sticking stuff in their mouths, most poisonings are from a lack of careful identification. A mushroom might bear some resemblance to one you eat, then... There is a vid on my channel that goes through multiple steps that go into making a proper ID. Even then, people still make mistakes!
@@annamarijaheltphdherbalist800 That's true. But with chantarelles, I think there's a more foolproof way to identify them - the false gills branch out, while mushroom gills don't branch out.
In Europe we don´t have deadly poisonous boletes and there are only a few toxic boletes at all. In my area I´ve never seen one of the toxic ones, as they are really rare. But we have a bolete which is reacting to oxygen and it´s flesh is turning blue - the scarletina bolete. It is one of the best boletes in terms of flavor.
what about the red bracket bolete?
Hi, Nick! I don't know that one...what's the botanical name?
Scientific names please, stop using common names.
blessings
Thanks for watching, Travis!
This wasn't helpful. What average people need to know is how to rule out all the poisonous boletes so they can forage correctly. Going into the symptoms and the particular mushrooms is not helpful for knowing how to rule out toxic boletes.
Thanks for your comment, Valthirian. The reality is that a youtube video is woefully inadequate to be used for successful mushroom identification. It serves as a jumping off point to go learn more before picking your local boletes. Identifying a mushroom involves not just what it looks like under different conditions, but whether it bruises, spore color en masse, where/when it grows, and many other properties. Hence the purpose of the vid was not mushroom ID.
Stay away from bright red pored boletes and blue staining is the rule I have always followed and so far I have never gotten sick after eating many varieties that I could not positively identify. Maybe I am just lucky so I caution anyone else to follow this rule as there is bound to be an exception.
Yes, I avoid those for sure. Though there are other seriously toxic boletes that don't fit pattern, such as B. huronensis. Not red pored, but does have some faint blue brusing. Has been mistaken for a King B: namyco.org/boletus_huronensis.php
To my students, I recommend strongly against eating anything you can't ID, as even stuff that tastes good can be deadly (Amanita phalloides). Glad you've never gotten sick! Be well :)
@@annamarijaheltphdherbalist800 Thank you for the link! I thought until now that there was not one single Bolete that will kill you, but many that will make you sick!
@@charronfamilyconnect You're so welcome! Thanks for watching and commenting.
In eastern North America, there are definitely red pored, blue-staining “boletes” that are choice edibles. The apple bolete, exsudoporus frostii, is one such example. It’s a fabulous edible, with a tart citrus flavor, and it grows all over these oak-beech forests. I highly recommend it. :)
@@careyjamesmajeski3203 Yup! And we have one here in the Rockies as well. But for a general audience such as here, I am deliberately not getting into the fine details of distinguishing between the nasty ones and the edible ones. Too dicey for so broad of an audience. Lots of other great edibles out there that are easier to distinguish
Latin wasnt a spoken language anyway 🤯
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I meet some people in woods asking me if I know if it is poisonous or not. I just asked, i can guess since my father told me what is what, but let me ask you .. are you prepared to test try and see if you poison yourself. They dumped those mushrooms back to forest. If you are not sure what is what, do not pick it. This is for all those who are begginer pickers. Advanced ones should keep in mind that there can be mistakes too. Food safety is more important.