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Eddie: “You took everything from me”
Peter: “I don’t even know who you are?”
@@princecharlesmd7503 lmao i know right
basicly every villian that somehow manage to connect every problem to spider-man
I love the fact that venom says sorry after killing may
venom didnt kill her tho. but yes I love the fact that they said sorry. It's a real disappointment when non human characters, specially the symbiotes, are written as shallow evil incarnates
@@gshsingt8856 it was fine with carnage, because that was his whole shtick, but when its copied every symbiote.. yeah i agree
Less killed her, more was too afraid of the fire to save her
@sebastianfontanez1081 no they would have died if they tried. Spider man has no resistances for fire and venom is weak to it.
I don't like it when venom is treated like a villain
Peter Parker: *puts on a villain suit*
*becomes a monster*
*kiIIs Reed Richards*
*takes his job*
Just short of stealing his girl.
*refuses to elaborate*
*leaves*
I know i can't be the only one who has said this, but some guy with a mustache must be some group with a mustache cause your media taste is broad my friend.
sigma-man gridnset
Venom kills Reed Richards because he is too smart while Iron Man is still outside.
"When he feels more... neighborhood."
Oh. I didnt know spiderman got down like that.
Mess with him and you catch that Parker Smoke.
27:57
LOVE this version of Mary Jane, supportive to the very end, even after Peter's made mistakes he can't come back from. Very ride or die, this is the kind of emotional anchor Peter needs.
This was MJ before Slott run. Always supportive.
@@rachitmittal448 What about after the Slott run? Is she back?
@@cyrusseyrafi5316 Yeah. She is in Spencer run as major character again.
I recommend you to definitely read the Spencer run.
Spencer Run is on peak currently.
@@rachitmittal448 Hoorah!
“Go get em tiger” - MJ when she was good
This story could've easily taken the "Spiderman becomes a killer and it ends up with everyone ganging up and killing him" route, but it showed that even in the lowest of lows, Peter's hopeful and that hope is what drives his will to do good. This is a pretty good story.
Finally someone that understands the character in these comments
Spider-Man: *Kills villains who keeps breaking out of prison*
Everyone: "Boo!"
Spider-Man: "Why are you booing *me,* I'm right!"
Yeah he is right
Spider-man: _Does anything that is 0.00001 % not pure_
Everyonr: *I FUCKING KNEW THAT GUY WAS HORRIBLE!*
Peter: _Bruh_
Same for every Super Hero honestly
@@limitbreaker6937 except punisher that guy never had a strict moral code to never kill his enemies or be a upstanding public figure sure he gets critizsed and and condemed by majority of the super hero community but in a way hes right
i really dont get that. If a police officer killed a serial killer who keeps breaking out of prison, everyone would call that cop a hero but it's wrong when super heroes do it?
I like how during story Peters suit becomes more and more wild, eyes more sharp, more shapes and he becomes more muscular and monsterous
and ı loved last phase of the suit ı liked better then venom version.
Because it is cooler even it gets muscular it is still slim enough to be acrobatic and fast like how peter in his old suit
@@bluescience9022 agreed
One of best and darkest What If comics i really enjoyed it how it showed Venom Symbiote cares and loves Peter he is like a baby just needed someone take care of him and teach him how to be good like how Flash made him a hero with his choices
Hello Venom lol.
😎👌🏼
You know in comic venom say that " Peter Parker is my soulmate💜
That cute tho
@@kingshadow8782 yes
A
“It sounds like the suit made him into some sort of monster.
But that doesn’t explain the previous 10 years of him being a wall-crawling menace.”
🤣
this comic has been the only comic in a while that kept my attention and hype and the Venom parker suit is my favourite.
Yeah, really knocked it out of the park.
I actually genuinely thought it wasn't going to be good due to the recent comics. But I read that panel where peter kills kingpin so I knew I had to watch this.
It's pretty close to superior spiderman comic
@@HellGod67 I honestly like this more because it was Peter dealing with his own decisions, instead of dealing with Doc Ock's decisions. Also, became kind of an over saturation/exposure of Superior Spider-man. Similar to Harley Quinn or The Batman who laughs.
@@toastaddict2799 Kingpin didn't die in this short comic series. He managed to live but was badly hurt.
This Spider-Man would have joined Superman regime.
U bet!!!! 💯💯💯💯
he would.. he would
oh boi they are gonna have fun time
That would be a interesting thing to see
You mean omniman?😊
17:49 I know it's not meant to come across this way, but this part is unironically cool. I like it when villains get cut off during their clichéd schtick.
Honestly, I think it might BE intentional. The writers were aware that it was a cliché and played off of it. =)
The coolest part of this comic is that we can slowly see peter’s descent into murder. Instead of him going straight to being a cold hearted killer, the symbiote slowly influences him to kill and put down villains for good
So long as he does NOT lay his hand on innocent
This was actually a pretty good read, I had written it off at first when it seemed to be setting up a bog-standard edgy dark ending, but what it did instead was much more creative. It avoided falling into the common What If trap of making characters behave OOC to facilitate tragedy - instead here everybody really pulls through in ways that would surprise you.
Yeah, this book surprised me with that ending.
I think it should have had a dark ending tbh
@@siijon0353 That's been done literally hundreds of times in other books you can go read. It actually trying to do something different is what kept it from being one more forgettable rag.
@@WhoTookPlockrock got any recommendations? Don’t get me wrong though, it’s still a good story. That reed richards part was ‘oh damn’
I disagree the book had me until about halfway through and just felt like an absolute cop out after Peter lost the suit.
Everyone always asks what if the symbiote currupted peter, nobody ever asks what would happen if the reverce happens, what if peters life experiances taugth the simbyote how to be a hero
it will be like Agent venom
honestly, this was a way better take on the symbiote, better than the original 616 storyline
way more interesting than basically just making Peter emo and bad cause of the symbiote, especially when the symbiote actually genuinely loves Peter for who he is and wants to bond with him and wanting to help do better, like a kid wanting to help a hero, but because of how naïve and sensitive the symbiote is + how Peter's life has been going, this was the outcome we ended up getting in Spider's Shadow, Peter's dark thoughts and emotions influenced the symbiote and they morphed together into a monster.
Imagine if Peter was in a good state and better circumstances when the symbiote bonds with him. Like what someone said, it be like Agent Venom.
Hard agree
@@kendrick5501 hmm
I think that's what happened, thats why venom would take over peter's body while he slept to fight crime
Chip Zdarsky is so good man, I want to see him get a shot at the main Spider-Man title once he's all done with DareDevil
27:32, this really hits the homerun to describe Spider-Man and his life
With his backstory, life events and powers, he could easily become one of the greatest villain or the biggest hero. Yet for most of his life, he kept his name small and helped people, living up to his name as the friendly neighbor, the small people's hero
and this is why ı love spider-man ı like difference with other hero because other heroes are more like soldiers that would say "call me only in a serious problem"
but spider-man gives feeling more like a friend that would say "ı dont care what it takes no matter what ı always protect your back call me whatever you need ı will be always here"
Honestly, that one simple panel showing Pete resting in that symbiote air cocoon really accentuates how it's taking him over. A common action like sleeping, now so radically different, appears to be normal and comforting. Cool.
That play on words at the end, * chef's kiss * Also loved the hinting at the fact that Spidey could join the Fantastic 4.
SPOILER
He did join the fantastic 4 in the end but i guess he didn’t show that part in this video
@@monkeman3228 oh sh... that's cool. I know there is a version where he does, but didn't think it would also happen this what if.
@@monkeman3228 hmm
Hmm
I love this Spiderman he's not for the BS. I would say they need to give him his own comic but the problem is that it'd only last a few issues because he'd kill everybody that crossed him.
Nah not really, only person he would probably kill is Norman.
What is BS?
@@johnwayne8051 bull shit
@@sulaiman-8 Thanks! I'm trying to write in English informally and like to learn these expressions.
@@johnwayne8051 you an alien?
I like how Spider-Man let himself descend into darkness for a while and then found the will to rise up again. I'm kind of excited for a sequel, but I think the writer was better off leaving the symbiote dead at the same time, and maybe introduce him into another spider-verse event or something.
The symbiote doesn’t make spider man kill. It’s a internal debate that’s been going on since he was found his uncle killer and he dropped out the window.
Fuckin' _love_ the mask design.
Same
I think it’s meant to symbolise how he’s now more of a spider rather than a man. A SPIDER-man
Honestly I would’ve preferred to see Peter help turn the symbiote more heroic like Flash did and then be the Black Suited Spider-Man permanently
Yeah i always hate that whenever peter has the symbiote its always potrayed as being inherently evil when thats untrue the host defines who or what the symbiote is not the other way around unless the symbiote had a previous host who was malevolent which will influence its personality on future hosts.
The only version of peter we see where he kept the symbiote without any problems was in the venomverse storyline but now that peter is dead when he got consumed by a posion.
@@Tywil714 yeah the symbiotes' individuality and sentience is often overlooked. Everyone forgives Peter for being under the influence of the symbiote, but no one stops to consider under what influence the symbiote themself was. the symbiote is a person too. this story was so close, and yet..
@@gshsingt8856 I think the Venom Movie is the only one that actually gives Venom a fair shot at being heroic. People often forget that the reason Venom was rejected by Peter in the first place was because it loved being with him. Venom loved being the Hero and Venom while not Benevolent was going out in Peter's body because it genuinely wanted to help. In a way, being a Hero was what stopped it's rage but when it was rejected it was the dumped person out of a accidentally toxic relationship. Venom getting as bad as he did was just as much Peter's fault as it was his own. Venom with Flash was actually Heroic because he had a good role model. The corruption was still there mind you but because of how Flash was as a person Venom was able to let go.
Of course Venom would have his relapses but Venom is not and has never been inherently evil. Morally Grey, clingy and a little possessive but never actually full evil. While this What If is great at a lot of things it makes the misconception that Venom is inherently evil and there is no changing that. Carnage is Evil, no way around that but Toxin with Pat is a good example of what Venom could have been.
@@Zeromaru42 I fully agree. Well said and worded, was a pleasure reading. Though it would be interesting to see Carnage getting redemption. Because they were sorrounded by Kleatus Cassidy from their birth, it makes sense why their behavior is like that so perhaps given another point of view and a better role model they too could improve
@@gshsingt8856 I'd love to see a What If branching out from what if Spidey kept the Symbiote into what if Venom and Peter had the relationship that Eddie and Venom have in the Film. It really is funny how different their relationship could have been if: 1 Spidey knew Venom was alive from the start and 2 if Peter had taken the opportunity to set ground rules and teach Venom like Eddie did in the Movie over time. If Peter had just treated Venom like a Living Being and taught it that Malice wasn't the answer maybe the Dark Spider-Man could have been a Hero instead of a Villain. Lines have to be set because Spider's Shadow is what happens when they aren't. Even Peter has gone or nearly gone over the edge before, but together they can stop each other from jumping off that cliff.
Peter is stated to have the intellect levels on par with reed richards so it would be fitting for him to take his place
This has something that's cool beyond logic.
Like...I remember a character saying this and it just made it cooler in my opinion.
"You have no idea how many times I have wanted to kill this bastard,for all the deaths he has cost...but...if I allow myself to go there....that low...I may never come back."
And this comic just shows that what happens when heroes break their code and it's also true..like people have some restrictions to themselves and when they break those restrictions once....they never stop breaking them...OMG this is so cool that I don't even know how to explain myself
That Character is Batman
@@JFlip27 thanks
I believe that quote is from the original Red Hood event. Batman said this to Jason Todd to explain why he never took the Joker’s life after everything. Unlike Jason Todd, if Batman ever took a life, he would pretty much go on a killing rampage. The “No Killing Rule” is Batman’s greatest restraint in never becoming a monster.
I hope this suit shows up in the new Spider-Man game, it looks badass.
If I were mj and saw Peter sleeping like a possessed person or alien from a horror movie, I would've ran out of his apartment.
It’s quite a nice story. It really reflects what it means to be a broken Spider-Man. He’s complex. I love it.
Nice reference to the 90's show with Spidey following through on his promise to rip shocker limb from limb.
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OK the moment where JJ discovers that Spiderman is Peter Parker and switches sides because he knows Peter Parker might be one of the best moments in comics I have ever seen..
Fun story. Every since venom came on the scene. Every handlefull of years marvel goes"Venom" crazy and it spices things up. Few characters can do that
Jonah was the real hero here. He might had been blinded with bias but he cared for his subordinate.. The Venom was really written and executed here. Sounded very believable. But honestly it could had been better if it “Followed” the video game ending route where he ends with Cat. But this is a lot better then the game I think, just don’t like the ending
This was a what if that I've been wanting since I've heard of Marvel's What If. I love the Black Suit Saga and to see Spidey get his black suit back with a new look is just awesome. Its a pity that at the last two issues 4 to 5 that it sorta drops the ball. Mr. Fantastic's symbiote form at 31:11 looks absolutely awful, it doesn't even look like a Venomized Reed Richards and I Google what he should look like and its a million times better than this. He'll even the heroes who are in theory infected by the Symbiote don't even look like Venomized versions of themselves. Legit, what happened? We saw in issue 3 that the Venom Symbiote actually made what looked to be Riot, Scream, Lasher, Agony and Carnage but they aren't used at all. Did marvel put a stop to it? Maybe saving them up for a future comic? Idk. But what i do know is that I really had fun with this comic, I was so eager to read it that I had to check daily for the release schedule. Despite the last two issues being duds, the rest of the comic series was great and I look forward to whatever else the writer does.
There's an Epilogue of this story where you could see Wilson Fisk again, alive, talking about his displeasure that Spiderman haven't paid for his crimes. Then, after his scientists brought him a red symbiote, it ends in a cliffhanger.
Carnage Fisk?
Fantastic Spiderman vs. King Carnage sounds awesome
Survived getting his head smashed, eh
I was WAITING for either you or Rob to do this. And I will be watching both 😍
Glad to see another fellow comics explained fan 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
I love how these stories portray how dangerous some heroes can be if they really decided to let loose. They usually win when they are only trying to incapacitate. Its nice to see it sometikes.
I love the part where Thor slams Invisible woman's force field. Don't think i've seen that in other comics since they don't usually fight.
First The Batman Who Laughs, Who successfully Ended the world, and was successful at being the Scariest character other than the Joker.
And now The Spider's Shadow, who didn't get to end the world, but was successful at being a scary Spider-Man Variation.
*epic.*
It’s kind of wholesome that the suit actually kind of cares for Peter in a way but it wanted to live
10:35 “With Great Power also comes great opportunity”-Edge of Time Peter Parker.
haven't watched this channel in a while, thanks for the good content, damn
I would LOVE to see this adapted for the new animated What If? series...
Venom hades even been introduced in the mcu yet
The What If cartoon was cool but only based on the movie stories.
Actually symbiote here is actually good and kind, he is actually caring about Peter and saying even sorry when he canted go into fire and save May.
Your grammar is appalling.
I love this story. The symbiote saga is my favorite Spider-Man story arch about overcoming your worst side and as a metaphor for addiction. Plus, it lead to the creation of my personal favorite Spider-Man villain. And this story really boosts those subjects. Although, I am going to be *that guy* here. In the original symbiote comics, the suit doesn't make Peter angry or violent. It basically takes him out for joyrides whenever he sleeps and wears him out like crazy until he got rid of it. This is much better.
This version of spider-man may not be the hero that the world wants but this is the hero that the world definitely needs; Punisher spider man, assassin spider man and spider man noir are the top best versions of the character simply because they don't hold back against their enemies and as a result of that they don't suffer severe consequences from the aftermath of their villain's reprehensible deeds and their loved ones tend to stay alive a lot longer!💯🔥😁😉👍
this what if story was freaking dark and very nuts especially as a Spider-Man fan
This gives me the same vibes of that one episode of Spectacular Spider-Man where peter destroys the sinister 6 in a night and while he's asleep.
I love this story, goes a long way in showing how peters choice to remove the symbiote was a hard and strong decision not easily made by most. Love the suit too, hope it’s in the second spider-man game
The best one yet, i enjoyed it enormously.. I think its the brutality that gets me lol you guys are doing an amazing job. All best!
Would love if web of shadows ever got a remake or remaster they should definitely include this in the game it as many aspects from it
I freaking love these videos adds so much more suspense to it :)
I mean, the conversation between them at 12:00, the symbiote is right. Prison and letting insane killers live makes you the killer. They forfit the right to live if they do not respect life.
Great start, same old ending with peter splitting from the suit.
I bought this book weeks ago. It's pretty good. I love your voice in these videos. This story is dark and epic.
Fucking beautiful. I loved that "Flame on!" Cause it was like a plot twist in a manga but also not a manga.
Just like injustice superman this spiderman is one of my favourite....seeing a superhero snap and being an antihero is kinda satisfying tho
That ending was amazing I'd like this to be continued.
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Woulda been cool for him to not even become good again but to see a montage of him taking out all these supervillains and then no superheroes would anybody to fight cause everyone would be too scared to even rob an old lady
There should be another issue of this where SpiderMan goes to Dr Strange instead of Reed Richards to get tested.
Along analysis Dr Strange could teach SpiderMan how to astral Project and active his psychic abilities so that way he could protect himself from the Symbiotic life form in dream worldly “astral plane” and then eventually dominate such space.
In the end, SpiderMan would overcome the problems of the and defects of having the suit while simultaneously retaining the benefits and other Strengths.
Just finished this story yesterday! Such a sick story unfolded through 5 issues!
Finally a really good spiderman story after a long time
I got the whole miniseries and loved it. I kind of hope they do more with it
With this and Insomniac's Spider-Man 2, it really makes me wish for a what-if story where Peter actually manages to control and live in unity with the Venom Symbiote. Only calling upon it's power when he really needs it, like Web of Shadows.
This would be such a good storyline to follow in Spider-man 2 PS5
There's something we missing, kingpin survived and he's going to unleash Carnage in New York City
Damn this voice over is really awesome, and this story is aswell
This story always reminds me of the decision system in spider-man web of shadows
14:33 damm Jonna gotta do us like that
Lost and discarded again, poor symbiote.
Why are we all ignoring the fact that Peter has one hell of a beard in this story
Man I see so much of Web of Shadows in this it’s awesome!!
I thoroughly enjoyed this
Spider mans as the new leader of fantastic 4. After reeds death ?. Now thats a story
Reading this comic made me miss the feeling and thrill I had reading Spiderman comics in the past...
Gotta love lunch break to a brand new video
I love this series
It's honestly getting tiresome just seeing the symbiote as something that corrupts heroes, and that the solution is just to kill it. The plot begins arguing that the symbiote is a living being, but then just throws it all away in favor of making it a senseless bad guy. It could talk about a complex relationship between Peters moral self and the symbiotes love combined with its lack of morals, but the story just strays away and makes it into a one sided obsession thing..
This new version is interesting. This is what makes Marvel the best.
Thank you for the vid man , story is good , but i can't help but think that ALL of it could have been avoided if Peter had just a tad bit more willpower and self-control and we could have gotten a venom spider hero ( think this would be the ultimate form for spider-man )
Was searching your channel for this video this morning...
This comic was amazing, I’m so glad it had a happy ending! Great story
Wow that was amazing Spiderman becoming one with venom keep up the good work
This is how a "What If" should be like.
“he was found not guilty” WAIT WHAT?
This was really good.
26:26 GIGA CHAD Peter.
Amazing
Thanks, you are awesome!!!
Basically if Spider-Man became The Punisher
Dope concept
My main issue with these dark stories is that they don't fully commit to there premise that often and this is no exception.
Honestly the moment Peter lost the symbiote my interest went down and i just didn't care anymore. Maybe I'm alone in this but honestly feel they could have handled this better by commiting full to this honestly cool premise because otherwise it just feels like another story to me
Exactly i couldnt care less what happened in the story after the symbiote started taking over the fantastic 4 and shit i wished we got a comic story for omce where peter works in harmony with the symbiote but the only versio. Of him who does that was the peter parker from the venomverse storyline but that one is dead now since he got co sumed by a poison
This was a great story.
When the whole team got infected they looked more like poisons then symbiotes
This is an amazing story
THIS WAS A FIREE COMIC
Wow that was a good one
Thanks for telling ❤️ 😊 and I love what if comic's, your really good 👍 ❤😊
Definitely great story with lots of twist