Ram 1500 3.0L HURRICANE Twin-Turbo I-6 Engine | Pros Vs Cons of DUMPING the 5.7L Hemi V8
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- The 2025 Ram 1500's are coming with the Stellantis 3L inline 6 Twin-Turbo charged Hurricane engine and I Highlight the pros and the Cons of leaving behind the Iconic 5.7L Hemi. I discuss the Benefits of the smaller displacement 3L Hurricane engine like better towing, more power, better fuel economy (MPG) and less emissions. Lastly I talk about some Negative aspects of this new twin turbo charged engine in the ram 1500 truck platform as a Heavy duty mechanic.
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The first benefit of this inline 6 twin turbo charged engine and what I actually really like as a heavy duty mechanic is that RAM went with an inline-6 engine design. I think this type of engine design is highly advantageous for pick up trucks because it allows for great torque generation with a naturally long stroke.
an inline-6 engine design is also wonderfully naturally balanced and leads to very nice linear power delivery. it is also much simpler then a v6 deisgn so I'm really happy to see ram go this route.
the second benefit is towing and power, this hurricane 3L inline 6 engine with its turbos will give this ram 1500 so much more power and ideally lead to much better towing and power.
the third benefit is the lower emissions going to be produced as well as the lower fuel economy especially around town with the smaller displacement.
on the flip side the first con or dis-advantage of this inline 6 hurricane engine is the sound. you can't beat the sound of the 5.7L hemi and I'm going to miss it.
the second disadvantage is simplicity, I think any turbo charged engine is going to be much more complex then a Naturally aspirated V8 like the 5.7L hemi and this added complexity could lead to worse reliability and longevity. especially with the price of trucks these days. buyers want to make sure they are getting a quality product and engine.
the third disadvantage was a little shocking to me and that is max towing capacity has taken a large hit with these smaller 3L turbo charged engines in comparison to the 5.7L hemi. the High output version of the 3L hurricane engine is slotted to tow 2,000lbs less weight then the older v8 hemi which does not make much sense to me.
let me know what you guys think!
Buy your V8 till they completely disappear and keep em in shape for the next decade to prove that it was the right thing
I predict fuel economy for the I6 will be less than or equal to the v8. Turbos are great for power. Not so much for MPG.
According the EPA, the I-6 HO 4wd gets literally the same mpg as a 1500 4wd. The non-HO I6 gets 2-3mpg more than both of those. Insanely negligible difference if its true.
Also factor in the premium gas you’re supposed to run with those engines and now you’re paying more for fuel
@@JohnRayAllDay absolutely
Not that much better MPG to be honest
@@c4t-tp238 well we’ll see what the numbers are using regular gas. Probably the same as the hemi
Wish the 5.7 was the base, the pentastar can kick rocks
Why? It is a super reliable workhorse that does its job. Sure its no v8 but when all you need is a basic truck its perfectly adequate
Pentistar is more reliable.
Id rather have a pentastar with lower gears than be a guinea for the hurricane
I do think the pentastar is a solid engine
I like my Pentastar, great fuel economy, smooth and quiet. I don't tow anything heavy. My boat is 4000# an it does fine.
Chop off 2 cylinders add immense complexity take away standard features charge 20+k more. Great idea.
Immense complexity?? lol turbos are not complex 😂😂
@bryanmiller5692 depends on how far they bury them. But your right kind of maybe
@@bryanmiller5692it means higher maintenance and more frequent oil changes
The reduced towing & payload tells you all you need to know about the tiny overstressed V6’s reliability! 😂 I recently picked up a new leftover 2023 Ram 2500 6.4 truck & a 2022 Dodge Scatpack 485HP Challenger 6 speed ! I’m Hemi for life ! 💪
Its a head scratcher indeed, especially since the HO will be running 3.92 gears and the same 8 speed. Say what you want about fords 3.5 Ecoboost engine but at least they intended on it being put to work.
Its because of cooling limitations of the turbo engine in hotter conditions
Not a V configuration. Straight 6 much better.
Me too! New Power Wagon with 6.4 Hemi. I also have a Challenger with 6.4 Hemi with six speed standard. Love em all!!
Could it be possibly that FCA is taking a page from the Toyota playbook and severely underrating this power train for longevity? Just a thought?
Buy a used V8 from the South without rust and keep it running. I think there is a reason why people are keeping old trucks longer and potentially replacing the engines if the body is sound. In the North, unfortunately, the body and frame will go before the engine no matter what rust protection you do.
the salt and de-icer they now use is just so tough on the vehicles. I get my truck undercoated twice a year and get under every oil change to spray down surface rust. but its a losing battle.
@@TheGettyAdventures Definitely helps though and from what I have seen can save frames for 20+ years. Fenders and cab corners maybe not as well. But that's much easier to replace
live in snow belt mountains of pa and get krown rust proofing done for the past 5 years and my ram looks great so far. I take it once a year and get it done. I am doing it to the wife's subaru accent since 2020 and it looks great also. I recommend krown rust proofing if u want to keep something.
A dodge without rust? Thats funny
@@ctfan1486 it is a ram without rust thanks to Krown!
The 5.7 Hemi has one fatal flaw--idling destroys it way ahead of its time. Law enforcement where I lived used Ram 1500s with the Hemi. Because of all of the radios, computer equipment, emergency lighting, etc., those trucks, by necessity, were left running for hours at a time--with a lot of idling. Those Hemi engines rarely lasted 100K miles in that application--the lack of adequate oil lubrication at idle caused the engines to wear excessively and fail early, even with good maintenance and frequent oil changes. To be fair, no current generation GDI gas engine will tolerate extended idling very well at all. The only reason that so many current generation vehicles are going to smaller displacement turbocharged engines is because the smaller displacement uses less fuel at idle and low RPM, and the EPA fuel economy test regimen is biased toward "city" driving cycles, where idling and low RPM operation are common.
I think I seen somewhere hemis have to be around 1500rpm for everything to be lubricated correctly.
Idling doesn't hurt the hemi, it's changing the oil based on miles instead of hours when it's idled for long durations. The ones we see with cam/lifter issues all have a lot of hours yet still getting oil changes every 6000-7000 miles. The owners get an oil change message on the cluster but ignore or reset it. By the time a service is performed the oil is worn out and can't provide sufficient lubrication. If the guage cluster tells you to change the oil it's not wrong.
Ya agreed I think its very fair to say idling the Hemi's were an issue. it was not a perfect engine. that being said I would much rather idle a hemi then a twin turbo engine for 8 hours. Very interesting about the EPA testing, I want to look more into that. thank you.
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I will say that where i am, our fleet garage mandates oil change every 4k miles. Zero excuses, suspension is a likely disciplinary action. But even at 4k mile oil changes, we have so many issues with any hemi. The pentastar v6 is holding up much better.
I will agree to a degree. No matter how soon the intervals of maitenance, those hemis have been nothing but trouble. I recall my 2012 charger needing two new engines and one top end job. The ford v6 in the explorer has been the most reliable in years. But no matter what, those long hours of sitting on the job at idle is detrimental on all of them.
Honestly, 1/2 ton trucks are mainly for hauling your butt around…or smaller trailers, 4 wheeler trailers, etc. When you get to 10,000 pounds on a half ton, it can be a little scary. If you want to tow 10k or more safely and without worry, you’ll want the 2500 anyway.
Agree, a 1/2 ton pulling 10k lb trailers is really kinda out of its league
IMHO, 1/2 ton is safe to pull a trailer to 5,000 lbs. 5K-10K a 3/4 tin pickup. Over 10K, get a 1 ton or larger. Not because of the power train, but brakes and the heft of the frame and suspension.
Should still offer it as an option instead of entirely getting rid of the v8
They can’t.
@@rj3075 Then why does Ford and GM still offer the 5.3 and 5.0 in addition to their boosted smaller displacement motors?
Ford was smart enough to keep the 5.0 available for customers who gotta have a V8. But the 5.0 is much more advanced than the HEMI so I guess it doesn’t have problems with emissions.
@@mcmehlen The coyote and GM engines are much more advanced and efficient engines than the hemi so it’s easier for the those to pass emissions.
@@khakiswag .. Copy That ..
Everyone wanting V8s that had actual reliability, remember that when you vote this November.
Exactly mate, Trump 2024!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shut up with you politics. I'm voting for Biden and I still will keep my ram with the 5.7 and will still purchase the new ram 1500 with the inline 6 cylinder.
@@matthewdievendorf9609 Perfect liberal response, "Shut up".
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Why not offer both. The loyal traditional v8 engine guy can get a simpler to work on engine and the new engine can break in over time with newer truck buyers who never had a hemi with that wonderful sound. Ford figured it out and as far as I know, Ford offers both. Guess that is why they outsell everyone.
No replacement for displacement... Fiat and quality lol...good one
did you come with that phrase all by yourself?
Well balanced video, appreciate the honesty for both pros and cons. Going to miss the HEMI, no doubt about it. Looking forward to the next video, good stuff!
Thank you sir! lots of pros for both engines would of been nice to see both as options for the 2025 trucks. sort of like what ford has done. given both options to buyers.
I just bought a Ram Rebel GT (defected from ford). Love the Hemi!
The hemi is easily one of the engines of all time. Love mine more every day!
Definitely one of the engines of all time 😆
Yep most recognizable at the shop for ticking sound
I'd argue it's the most engine of all time.
The 6.1 sure.
Not only that, it's the engine ever. A truly
Love how digestable your videos are. New shop looks great!
Thank you Lindsay, you should come by sometime and check it out
I'm so sick of anything with less than 8 cylinders. 👎👎👎👎
Dude , I hear ya but I bought a 3.5 ecoboost and got it tuned. There is no v8 out there, in a pick up, that can keep up
@@sbenn6917what do you mean keep up? Go fast? I thought trucks were supposed to be trucks not race cars
All this bitching about less cylinders. Do you want carburetors back too? Technology is the replacement for displacement, you damn boomers.
These new turbo engines run good but id say you tune the 6.7 powerstroke and or the 6.6 duramax will probably out run you. @@sbenn6917
@@jza80king not always and not in this case. It has more to do with the EPA than anything else.
The V8 is dead. Long Live the V8 ! climate con by the EPA, Battery trucks LOL Good video Alex
I don't have a problem with a new turbo engine from Ram. Other companies are doing it, so why not. I just don't want one.
Having owned multiple Hemi Rams, I admit I love the 5.7.
Why can't they keep it and give the consumer the choice, similar to Ford with the 3.5 vs 5.0 Coyote.
I'm not opposed to new technology, I just wish Ram would make it as an option.
when the waranty expires on these Direct injected turbo inside no dipstick engines.. good luck
As the owner of both a '23 Ram 1500 5.7 and a 2025 Ram 1500 SST 3.0, I can tell you that it sounds like a sewing machine, but that engine has GUTS towing. No more maddening downshifts to 4,500 rpm towing a heavy load on a grade. The torque curve is super flat, from 1800 rpm, you have massive pulling power compared to the 5.7. The sound is not there, but the engine screams compared to the 5.7. My '23 4x4 has the 3.21 axle ratio and the '25 turbo has the 3.55. Fuel economy has been just about identical with a slight edge going to the Hemi. It's just harder to keep your foot out of it with the turbo, which is a road rocket.
Both Toyota and Ford went with a larger 6 cylinder. 3 liters is still a little small.
I really wish Ford had used the straight six in their new F-150s instead of a V6 as well...😊 I've had a few different cars and trucks with straight sixes and they were always the most reliable/smooth running engines for me.
So now the Ram is i6 also Mercedes and Mazda using it. I6>v6.
The ecoboost is already pretty good as is, but it could probably be so much better with an I6
@@zBPS I think ford went with the v6 instead of an inline 6 is because it is a dimensionally smaller engine. Possibly the in-line wouldn’t fit in the current engine compartments. Who knows, only ford does I guess
Thanks Alex for another freaking good truck video. 👍
I’m going to hold onto my Ram 1500 Hemi Classic as long as possible. I just like how it purrs and how simple it is to modify and work on. It does everything I need the truck to do while getting decent mpg. Can’t ask for anything more, and I even managed to pay it off early when they were going for $32k.
the fourth gen rams are great trucks.
The issue with the H/O Inline 6, is Ram is locking it behind premium trims. If they were to offer it on a base work truck, then it would likely tow more. The biggest negative for towing is content, the more you load up a truck, the less it can tow. As all those creature comforts and luxury items, add weight to the frame, which in turn takes away from capacity. The 2025's towing overall being lower, is likely due to all the new features being added, including autonomous driving, all those new modules/computer systems add weight.
That’s about like gm and the 6.2. I would like a rcsb with a 6.2 or even a 5.3. You can only get the 2.7 or what ever the 4 cylinder is in short box.
I feel like if that added weight noticeably detracts from your engine's performance, then your engine is too small to begin with
thats probably all very true, but Its a tough look.
I heard that this motor that also comes in the wagoner has 24 pounds of boost. My prediction is that these motors will not last. My 15 liter Cummins will max out around 25 pounds. 25 is too much for this little dodge
@@dylanbailey2812it not that it takes away performance it's all about gvwr. If the gvwr is 12k the added d.features weigh more and take away from that 12k. A tailgate with the convenient step is rough 1k by itself so options weigh more unfortunately
The new 3L has me getting the eco diesel vibes, I wonder how narrow the mains and rod bearings are gonna be😅
I hope my PW lasts me forever! Hasn’t seen a winter yet since “17. Central Ontario. Great stuff keeper going
I would love the keep the PW off the road in the winter but the roads get nasty up here and it warms my heart knowing I have the best truck for the job when the snow flies.
Whats a PW
If you can only get the high output on the top trim levels then that explains the lower tow rating and payload. Those trucks are heavier so naturally the payload and towing goes down.
it does make some sense but you see fords big boy 3.5L ecoboost offered in almost every trim level and a tow rating of like 14k. I don't understand why they wouldn't at least make it an option for someone looking to tow in a lower trim.
@@TheGettyAdventures good point. That’s a huge difference. That’s going to be sending people to ford for sure. I’m surprised the difference.
@@TheGettyAdventures it’s all about the $$$🙂 unfortunately
My biggest thing is mpg. The 1 or 2 gain isn't worth the eventually breakage. I mean keep it simple stupid. Over complicated systems are always bound to have more issues than a pushrod v8. I'm really disappointed and saddened by dodge killing the v8. The 6.4 is on borrowed time now. They say there is a 6.7 gas cummins coming but I'm not too sure it's going to be that much better in terms of fuel economy. Long live the v8 and bring back the manual trans.
Im already seeing deealer tech complaints about overheating issues with these on the Jeep forums (Grand Cherokees etc.)
RELIABILITY !!!! That is the only thing that REALLY matters with this new engine. I would not touch one of these engines for at least 3 years. I have a 2011 F150 but I like Ram also. Can't afford a new truck at these prices, so hope I can keep mine going.
Nice, is you're F150 a 5.0 or an EcoBoost?
5L so far been a decent truck other than 3 broken springs, driveshaft, and a lack of heat in the winter. Think it’s better now but still doesn’t put out a ton of heat
@@rickkent4367what springs broke? How'd the driveshaft break and at what mileage? Are you referring to the u-joints? Any idea what's wrong with the heater? All very interesting
Then again doesn’t Ram have a 3 yr bumper to bumper warranty?
Maybe by next year then as it has been out in the Wagoneer already.
We all know how inherently reliable an inline motor is… it’s all the other stuff they put onto it. I love my V8 but after owning a 4.0 inline 6 and a 5.9 Cummins I do have first hand knowledge of the reliability, smoothness and torque that the inline motors can generate. Just hope these don’t flop, here’s to hoping Ram did it correct the first time! I’ll still keep my v8 Tundra for as long as I can!
Working in a professional auto shop, the hemi tick is not overblown. It was not only v8 but also v6 plagued with that. We repair at least 1 a week
Yeah mixing VVT with MDS really borked the Hemi engines. Yeah they gained both power and fuel economy, but I would always trade both for reliability. Glad I have a 2005 model. One thing I recommend is swapping out the oil pump to a high flow pump. That eliminates most of the issue because it is typically caused by poor oil flow at idle. You can put the original pressure spring in there to prevent getting too much oil pressure, but still have better oil flow at idle. Which protect the lifters and cam from the dreaded "hemi tick".
Your spot on from the duty cycle perspective. The new 3.0 Hurricane will not reject heat as well as the 5.7 Hemi. That is a topic a RAM engineer discussed in a podcast I listened on Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk. Guess we'll see in a year or two from now how it performs when being worked. Could be just one of those "designer" type of engines made for short towing trips... IDK?
Inline 6s are awesome, especially turbo ones. I have a V8 dodge Ram now, and seeing as everyone is upset about the hurricane powered rams, I might score a deal on one
great video. good coverage of the pros and cons of the hurricane. I think it will work for the 1500 trucks. The lower towing is not a big deal, over 7K towing should be using a hd truck.
Wondering what you think about the future of HD trucks. Cummins has the same block with gas, diesel, hydrogen, etc. for their next gen engines. Could that be the replacement for the 6.4 hemi?
Love my hemi in my 11 jeep GC, in getting a used new to me rear diff, limited slip clutches wore out (215,000kms) I have a 2024 GMC Sierra 5.3L rental, engine is so quiet, good power. But lacks the v8 growl
Get the Trutrac LSD. The Trutrac is a gear type and work very well. If you stick with the clutch type, use Lucas Synthetic gear Lube. The performance difference is quite good. My '03 Ford Explorer has the clutch type LSD. The Lucas Synthetic gear Lube has it running strong at 227,000 miles. My '96 ZJ has a Dana 44 with the gear type LSD. It is my most capable 4wd out in the desert. My '23 Jeep JLU will get Trutracs front and rear.
I am enjoying the video so far. The only discrepancy is where you've made reference to the ability for the new ram 1500 to tow less weight than the newer ram with a bigger displacement of horsepower and torque. The rated towing capacity of any vehicle has absolutely nothing to do with the engine, or the displacement of the engine or the amount of torque. It has everything to do with the building for the vehicle to stop by using the breaking system in the vehicle in order to safely tow a load at the maximum rated capacity. Some of the heavier duty models with larger breaking systems. Have your suspension will be able to tow more than a standard RAM REBEL would be able to based on the building for the vehicle able to come to a stopping position safely within a certain distance. A vehicle is up to speed. Vehicles in motion in order to stay in motion it needs very little engine displacement and that's where the 3 L comes into effect where once the ram 1500 with in-line 6 cylinder is up it doesn't need much to keep it going to keep momentum. Getting up to speed that's where the turbo chargers come into play. so often people are interpreting or misunderstanding what the rated tow capacity of any vehicle. It's so based on the ability for that vehicle to come to a stop safely with maximum rated towing hall in the back of the vehicle and also in the bed of the truck. We've all done it put too much weight in the back of our pick up truck and noticed how much longer it takes to get up to speed and back down to speed when breaking. This is clear evidence of a vehicle, needing more breaking ability on the weight being towed or loaded in the back of the pick up truck directly over the rear axle. This is why people are having a lot of difficulty understanding how vehicle with more rated horsepower and more rated torque can actually tow less than the original ram 1500 platform. Hope this helps everyone but it's just that simple how rated the rated capacity of any vehicle is calculated. Keep in mind that in order to meet the EPA standards for missions. The vehicle also needs to be lighter, and could be at the sacrifice of suspension, steering and breaking components of a vehicle. Steering and stopping are the two most critical systems in any vehicle for safety but Could come at a loss of vehicle performance in a towing situation. 90% of pick up truck owners with myself included do not need all that horsepower and torque on a daily basis. 90% of the vehicle sales are too non-commercial drivers of the ram 1500. That being said, I think this is what Stellantis was banking on, and then the commercial pick up truck portion could be compensated with the diesel option which is better suited for towing capacity loads based on the amount of torque, a diesel engine is able to produce given power band compression ignited or TDI ENGINE ON THE ABILITY FOR THE FUEL INJECTORS TO START INJECTING FUEL BEFORE TDC & well after TDC of the engines pistons. Diesel engines are much an electric motor, except for the responsiveness of diesel engines, but once under load quickly compensate for the power lag Once underload. Great video I enjoy the content.. keep up the great work!
Heat soak from power density on long, steep grades is what's at play.
Towing over 9500 lbs. with a half ton truck is asking for trouble . The ratings are a paper war.
I noticed the e torque system is gone in the SST. Seems strange after all the effort to develop the 48v system.
I dont think there was really that much effort put into that system.
That was a gimmick to begin with, it basically helped out their ridiculous stop/start system
Even though my '04 durango (5.7l v8) gets only ~14 mpg mixed, its less costly to fill her up than to make a monthly payment while getting 2-3 mpg better (presumably). Especially after having a magnaflow 3" in/3" out exhaust installed, that v8 rumble is amazing. My only real gripe with the "hemi" is having 16 sparkplugs, but she works. Just my $0.02. :)
No, we all are not going to miss the rumble.My neighbor has the same truck as your test rig,dear Lord,I can hear that every morning on startup! I wish he'd get rid of it lol. I think the Hurricane is going to be a winner for Ram.As for dropping 1000lbs ,I think that's a non issue because most 1/2 ton tow ratings are inflated,especially with Ram and its coil springs.The Hurricane will make the Hemi a thing of the past.I'm a Ford Ecoboost guy,kudos to 🐏. I'm excited to try one.
I drove this new I6 yesterday. Extremely smooth and quiet. Definitely more power than the Hemi. Really it's only the sound to miss. And I'm driving a Hemi now.
It does not have anywhere near the power of the Hemi.
@@AN-jz3px and how did you come to that conclusion?
@@Bradimus1 driving it. Just bought another Hemi yesterday when it was down between this one and the V8.
@@AN-jz3px I frankly don't believe you. The I6 ditches the hemi even the SST that's only 420 HP and 469 lbsft. It has way more power and everyone but you that's driven it agrees. Noise isn't power, but the hemi does make nice noises. I can only imagine you had it in 2wd and traction control intervened much sooner.
@@Bradimus1 I frankly don’t care what you believe. I drove both and the I6 sucks ass, so I bought a Hemi. They are selling like wildfire. Idc what the paper performance says, the actual facts are the i6 is a dog and turbos ruin engines. A look at the towing capacity is all you need to read.
Very happy with my 2020 Rebel and it's 5.7l Hemi. 🥰
They are nice trucks.
I’ve never owned a truck, but snagged a 23 1500 limited night with Hemi. Plush. Love it.
Are we going to see more videos of your power wagon?
TFL. Ask a Ram engineer about the lower tow ratings. He said it was due to heat dissipation.
Yeah my guess would be too much torque generation at low RPM from high load spooling the turbos like crazy means lots of risk of pinging and trying to bend rods.
@802Garage the way he explained it was more to do with duty cycle. Basically if you pulled the same load as the hemi and the driver controlled himself at the same speeds as the hemi. There wouldn't be an issue. But because the 3.0L will pull harder if the driver pushed it harder with the heavier loads. He would see operating Temps that while "safe" would make most drivers uncomfortable. So they backed off the tow rating for a more "controlled user experience".
I'm guessing it has alot to due with a greater safety margin on a new engine until they have more data to ramp the tow ratings up in the future.
@@rmkscrambler Right makes sense. I would just think the highest risk would be when you're trying to get moving with the heavier load vs when there's momentum. At the same time, sudden and prolonged acceleration or towing up long hills for example could cause similar problems. Makes sense.
You should be able to test one soon we have a lot of the 2025 1500 standard output units on the lots here in grand rapids MI.
My guess is cooling related. You can't put that kind of power out with high compression and turbos and keep it cool enough while towing. The 5.7 survived in the 2500's for years, it's a beast. Try that with these turbos, they are basically glorified car engines wound up to level 11. Not good.
From the ST helm.... Mr. Scott, I need more cooling ..... or the other way around .... Had better have a Top Shelf ZF gearbox behind it. ....
Agreed, too much temp and cylinder pressures for extended time is going to make something go boom. but looking at ford they somehow have made it work with the ecoboost.
Modern half tons are basically family cars. These will do fine for the average use case which is mostly daily driving with a bit of towing thrown in.
Very informative video. How many people tow over 11k pounds with a 1/2 ton truck? If I had the need to tow that much weight I would have a 3/4 ton truck. All the new trucks have exceeded what I would be willing to pay so my old 2010 4.7L Dakota won't be replaced anytime soon.
I've owned a few Hemi Ram 1500's and currently have a 2022. A friend of mine is the GM at our local Dodge dealer. I took my 2022 in last week for an oil change and he loaned me his demo Rebel 1500 hurricane for the day. I'm in my 50's and am a gear head for sure and I love large displacement engines and I firmly adhere to the philosophy that the only vehicles that shouldn't have a longitudinally mounted engine and rear drive (or rear drive biased for 4WD or AWD) are mid engine super cars and I have never owned a FWD vehicle so no surprise that I was skeptical about the new twin turbo small displacement replacement for the Hemi. In all fairness its a beautiful engine to drive. Silky smooth and quite powerful. I didn't really notice it being any more powerful then my Hemi but maybe you would notice the extra 60lb/ft of torque if you are towing? I drove a loop of about 100miles that I drive regularly with my truck and the hurricane used slightly more fuel than my truck. In fairness it was a brand new truck with offroad tires and higher ground clearance than my Laramie sport so I'd say mileage is probably about the same. Exhaust note obviously not even close to the Hemi sound. The hurricane sounds like a typical turbo 6 (ie not very good). Durability is obviously still an unknown. So would I buy one?? I'm sure its a lovely engine to live with day to day but it costs more and it doesn't get better mileage and its not noticeably more powerful so I'm going to buy a 2024 Hemi and see ow the durability of the hurricane shapes up over the next few years. To me the only advantage to the hurricane or any turbo truck is if you tow heavy trailers at high altitude. Having said that if you don't care about the lovely v8 rumble you'll probably love the hurricane as long as it doesn't break after the warranty is up.
i had the new tundra 3.5 and blew it after 13k miles. Bought a ram and never looked back. the 5.7 is legendary, the transmission is definitely the weak link of the truck though
The ZF8HP70 is one of the best transmissions every built?
@benderman55 I haven't had that experience with it. I have 10k miles on my 1500 and the upshifts and downshifts are rough I'm guessing due to synchros which would get worse over time I'm assuming
@@quicksilverb1 Not sure what your talking about, there are no synchrows as you would say inside this transmission, and if there are only 10k miles on it, why would you not take it in for warranty. This is the only good transmission that dodge has ever had, because it was designed and built by ZF
5.7 is a joke. Legendarily a cam and lifter muncher. More like Nopar
@@benderman55 All automatics have synchro mechanics
Only time will tell if the Hurricane will be good. I say bring back the 4.0 inline 6.
Nice I6 . I've been a turbo guy since the 80s. I never blown the turbo in my turbo vehicles. Nothing wrong with a turbo.
I saw a video where this engine did not have a dipstick. This was in a jeep but that be very disappointing.
What do you think of having a aluminum engine block? Instead of a graphite iron block like in a diesel.
lighter first of all, but for a forced induction engine in a pick up truck meant for "work" you would like to see an iron block something like what ford did with the 2.7L ecoboost. granted the 3.5L ecoboost which has been around for years seems to run just fine with aluminum block.
My 07 ram 2500 has 379k. OG drivetrain. It tows everyday. It a single vehicle short haul (within 300 miles 1 way) transporter. Even if a drivetrain component goes bad I will just replace it versus buying a new truck these days. Does have a little rust forming on the bed but I have a friend that's a body guy and we are currently completely stripping it down to bare metal and repainting it and fixing all the rest.
It'll be just Like the Eco 6 Diesel. A big.🎉
Ecodiesel was a bit of a stain indeed.
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she's small but mighty! still playing around with some stuff but really looking forward to making it my own.
I have a 2013 ram 1500,R/T 395 hp 6 spd 4.10 gears & 22in wheels
All factory, maintenance is key &
I use all synthetic in everything .
I am an avid hemi person ever since they came out even before
With the max-wedge ,I think it will
Hurt the brand going total 6cyl
They will definitely loose customer base
11:51 Did just this, with my ‘14 with the 345, five people in the cab, 200# in the bed and pulling 5000# going south on 87 from Payson, AZ to Phoenix, AZ. 6% grade for about 5 to 10 minutes, in second gear, about 4500 rpm and keeping at 50 mph. Coolant was about 220, don’t recall what the oil and trans were at. Either way, no sweat. Thanks for the great content!
I^ are notorious for head gasket leaks and exhaust leaks unless they split the out in two. In saying that some of my favorite engines are strait 6's in the past but they were never as reliable for work in my experience as far as needing repairs per mile
Cat used to split them in 3 lol but all the modern big diesels use a single head.
What if they installed the Speed Of Air dimpled/thermal coated pistons? I believe that would be the greatest investment to keep the Hemi engine around. A torque cam would help too and getting rid of the displacement on demand junk which has been an intense bone of contention with these engines. I'm putting more efficient injectors in as well for greater fuel atomization which leads to ultra vaporized air/fuel mix which lowers emissions and increases output/fuel economy.
Good point.
Interesting point you make, more HP and less towing capacity.
Can’t wait to see you do a tow test with one. Would love to see a test with the standard output and the high output just to see the difference between the two.
As much as I love the 5.7 Hemi I am somewhat optimistic about Dodge’s future. As mentioned this Hurricane straight 6 should be very reliable as inline 6’s usually do have an advantage in reliability and how easily they produce torque. As mentioned an inline 6 is a superior design than a V8 in most applications. I am however skeptical about turbocharged engines from any automaker.
I own a ford with the 300 6 and have been wanting a a turbo inline for years! Ram is the first if you don’t count BMW in their suv ‘s I’ll try one.
I love that you mentioned why I6 engines are better torque monsters. I believe with our technology combined with an old simple work horse engine design, the world can absolutely benefit. I6 for the win!
I drive a Hemi as a work truck and tbh it isn't that great, lots of roar but not really quick and it isn't very easy on gas. I have driven all of the half-ton trucks and the Hemi is by far the worst gas guzzler I have ever driven. 19 litres per 100 kms.
What's the point in even having the HO if you lose towing and MPG, what was the goal there? You gain more HP and torque but if it doesn't go to towing, then I'm confused. Does the engine have to have that much more power to feed the seat massagers and heads up displays? Laramie to Limited Longhorn/Limited can be 10k-20k more, but what's the actual gain besides the nice interior?
Agree. Kinda sad Mopar was always about the most power for less and offered the stronger motor in all trims and configuration. Feel Mopar is going away from their roots.
You gain complexity and the ability to beat a few more people to red lights in your truck 👍
It's all about gvwr. Whatever the gvwr is the more options weigh lbs and take away from the gvwr. Everyone thinks towing only has to do with power. You have to be able to stop all that weight. There are so many other factors. Brakes suspension frame weight etc.... most don't know the parking brake has to hold the entire load on a flat surface when the mfr determines gvwr
Any idea if they'll replace the 6.4 in the HD?
I recognized parents country store you were at the gas station😊 Caswell Maine !!
couldn't ram find a good single turbo that fits their needs.
how are the twin turbos set up on the hurricane anyway?
I was just listening to mine this weekend and that Borla Atack sounds sooo good on it, I'm just not sure I can part with it over an I6.
I love the Hemi and hate RAM doesn’t even offer it as an option but the HO option on the limited trucks is fast AF! Not everyone can afford a 80K base model limited though. That’s the beauty of the Hemi. You can build on a budget.
Long live the inline 6cyl... With a couple of turbochargers? .. What's not to like! .. As much bravado as the Hemi's deservedly gets,,,, it ain't making EPA requirements. .. The manufacturer is paying the EPA through the nose for each V8 sold. .. "Between a rock and a hard place" .. Enter.. the inline 6cly TT. .. Exhaust note? .. Have a listen to a late 1990s MB inline 3.6 6cly; C-Class 3.6 AMG... its exhaust note is F-King glorious. ..
P.S., Are we seeing a Turbo trend with the manufacturers? .. Sure' nuff..
There’s already lots of videos out there of the sound. It’s not an AMG … it sounds like a Tacoma
My 2015 ram sport 1500 5.7 is paid for at 140k and im gonna drive it until she blows lol
Chrysler is pretty much saying they don't have much faith in the engineering they've done. Just dumb/lower down all the weight ratings instead of making something worth a dang for an engine.
Prime example of this is when they did all the same marketing for the eco diesel.
I due for a new pickup unfortunately it's down to two companies Ford and Toyota.
Well I'm a pretty big fan of the 5L from ford but Toyota does stand behind their product so I think either one will serve you well. and exactly the eco diesel was such a disaster but hopefully they learned and put out a good engine. time will tell.
She-it, Stellantis fired 3/4 of its N. American engineering staff recently ...
@TheGettyAdventures I've watched all your videos, even the older ones before I found your channel. So there way a nice back log of vides to watch. Keep up the good work. Thanks
@michaelschneider- doesn't surprise me, nothing really done in the USA or Canada anymore. It's very sad all the work is overseas and with ai and robots becoming better and better time will tell what work is left.
@@TechKnightOne .. Copy that..
Thought they were bringing the hemi back.
True, in line 6 more power. But, I'm not too sure about the turbo. If in line 6 has been around, why do you need turbo? I'm just asking.
This tiny 6 has the Hemis reputation (performance, reliability, service life) to at least equal, no small feat for sure. I’m thinking of some other newer engines including diesels that have less than stellar reputations/service life. The Hemi succeeded while the Pentistar has failed to earn Chrysler a halo status powerplant. A corporations reputation is resting on this lil 6, will it have the Hemi performance diesel ruggedness and longevity to succeed?
I’m excited to see it but I wouldn’t buy the first few years of it.
Thats exactly where I stand as well lol
I'm glad I got my first hemi in 2020, I got lucky. 🙌
With an inline 6, RAM chose to take over a typical BMW engine configuration. I am convinced they could have done better with another typical BMW approach:
SInce more than 10 years, BMW purchases the ZF HP 8speed transmission with a built- in mild hybrid configuration (integrated into the transmission case) . Similar to the Toyota mild hybrids, the (rather small) battery charges when braking, and boosts during acceleration. This results in 10-15% better mileage with the same engine, so they could've kept the V8. The configuration also enables a simple auto start/stop and replaces the separate starter and generator electric devices, and eliminates the need for the large drivebelt for the separate starter and generator. RAM should have been doing this actually since the start of the Gen5! The RAM "solution" for the mild hybrid is a pile of rubbish, adding ANOTHER drivebelt and ANOTHER electric device.
I love the Hemi! Very little gain going to the turbo six. I have the Hemi Etorque. Love it!
Same, I have a 22' Limited with the 5.7 etorque. Love it so far and have 0 issues with it.
Before Stellantis assassinates me. In America at least car manufactured still have to sell parts for their cars for 10 years. Meaning you can buy 5.7, 6.4 and 6.2 hemis and all the necessary parts until 2033. You're welcome.
Have they fixed the rusting issues?
Inline sixes have smooth torque because there is always a power stroke with six separate crankpins
I still say they could’ve easily made a Gen 4 Hemi cause yeah an engine from 2003 is gonna run out of upgrades at some point but an over boosted french designed engine in a truck application is an absolutely terrible idea
Either way you slice it Mopar is getting cooked in truck performance by other makes. Haven't updated the 6.4 bge and now it's the smallest/weakest motor, bye 5.7 and the 3.6 in gladiators has the power same numbers since debut 2013. If all these engines were straight up bullet proof that would be one thing but fca/stellantis or whatever has neutered Mopar.
Did a lot of comparison between the 5.7 and the 3.6 prior to purchasing my truck in January. Ended up with a tradesman with the Warlock package and the 3.6. Perfect truck for my application. Hellcat challenger in m6t incoming. Save the manuals and v8s
I just can’t do 6 cylinders in a pickup. I tow often through the mountains on steep narrow roads. The 6 cylinders scream the entire time. The 8’s just cruise and actually accelerate with little effort especially with a load.
Yep and they market the 0-60 times for these small engine/turbocharged trucks. Who gives a shit about 0-60 in a truck? At this rate I’ll probably keep my 2005 6.0 Silverado until I’m dead.
What experience do you have with a modern turbocharged half ton engine?
@@ALMX5DP I import vehicles, campers, and boats into Puerto Rico. I’ve rented trucks since 2021 because my old f-250 was finally completely clapped out. I’ve driven all the modern pickups available really. Vans too. I wasn’t giving in to the wild prices post covid which is why I rented for a while. I finally settled this year with a 24 ram rebel mainly because it was the best offering available to me that met my needs. The dealer took 13k off then I got the rebates as well which was another 15k so waiting worked out for me. I like the modern comfortable interior and exterior styling. Off-road capabilities, and the proven engine platform.
@@jpete3027666 it’ll likely outlive us both! Great truck. 👍🏼
@@juliocvelez1 just curious what you meant by screaming V6's. Have you driven both a 3.5 Ecoboost and 5.0 F-150 with the same loads and observed what RPM you were running at for a given pull / scenario?
Rams hemi sounded great, but had a crappy powerband (needed to be revved hard to get any real performance). Hurricane will likely be half the rpm towing a load up a grade like the 3.5 ecoboost.
Hurricane should be great as long as it's well engineered and has quality components. Low payload and towing numbers tell me the cheap components were likely used in the new hurricane.
Fuel mileage should also improve significantly. I struggled with my 2014 cc 4x4 3.92 hemi to ever break 20 highway even though the trucks lie o meter would tell me 22 or 23.
My 2015 Limited 1500 w/3.92's has zero powerband problems. Plenty of low end torque and hauls ass when you mash the pedal.
it is sad to see ram is getting rid of 5.7. My 17 ram 5.7 is almost at 80 thousand miles and works perfectly fine. I guess next time I get new truck with hemi in it, I will have to start with 2500 and get a 6.4 instead
I’ve read that the new hurricane will also have MDS. I don’t know why the heck it would. What do you think about that?
I always wondered why they got rid of the bullet proof inline six engines? Wonder if this one will be bullet proof.
I think the HO is only a toy that could technically be used for work. The payload is low because it's only in those top trims loaded with electronics and extra leather and such. RAM sticks to a softer suspension and just assumes it's ride quality will sell over a payload number most owners are probably ignoring on a halfton.
where do i mount the mail box? at those prices i would have to live in it.
Toyota had a lot of issues with their first year of twin turbo V6 and all of the Ecoboost V6’s in the Fords are having oil leaks and breaking exhaust studs.