Driving the new Hurricane Twin Turbo 6.. Is it better than the V8 Hemi?
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
- I finally get to drive the 2023 Jeep Grand Wagoneer equipped with the brand new Hurricane twin turbo inline 6 cylinder to see how it performs against the current V8 hemi engines in the Mopar lineup. This new engine makes more power, it's more fuel efficient, and it's more tunable, but is it really better? What do you think about the Hurricane?
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Nothing can replace a V8 HEMI, nothing and never. Sound, vibrations, etc. This is a total work of art. It's not a question of how fast the 0-60 acceleration is.
A HEMI for me is the finest honest American engine construction.
And I bought my 21 Challenger Scat Pack precisely because the car is what it is. Of course, all dealers will now praise the Hurrican 6 cylinder, after all, they have no other choice. HEMI forever. Greetings from good old Germany 😎😀
Perfectly stated!
Amen Brother
You might have a loud car. But it’ll be a loud slower car 🤣 I’d take this engine in a charger challenger over a 6.4
@nicholasnelson3791 Have fun in you're overpriced Hurricane vehicle till it breaks and costs you thousands in repairs mate.
@@CJColvin why would this engine be more prone to breaking than any other engine ? You can’t just say that without and factual info.. I already have a DI twin turbo car and it’s not bad at all
No twin turbo can compare to a HEMI V8. You can’t sugar coat it
Especially when you have a twin turboed 392 Hemi.
30lbs of boost can't be made for longevity.... I forsee many problems with the hurricane
I own a Grand Wagoneer with the 6.4L V8. I was thinking to upgrade to the Grand Wagoneer L for the extra room. When I was in Florida recently I rented a Grand Wagoneer Series II with the HO Hurricane engine. I was disappointed. Drove it for a week. My notes were that compared to my 6.4 the Turbo six was:
1) Smoother than the V8 for sure. The Hurricane was VERY smooth and buttery.
2) The sound was not as good as the V8. But I never expected it to be and I do not own the GW for sound anyway. I own it for luxury and because my family fits in it well.
3) The Turbo Six was a serious disappointment in fuel economy. IF it got any better than the V8 at all, it was perhaps 0.3 MPG. So what is the point? The MPG was basically the same.
4) The V8 response is solidly better than the turbo six. The Turbo from the start need a second to come on spool. The V8 launches instantly. But not a meaningful difference. - The BIG difference was in highway speed passing power. In the HEMI if I need to blow past someone and this is an 80+ mph passing, the Hurricane would run out of steam where the HEMI just keeps pulling hard. Especially if you are approaching 90 in a highway passing. Some will say that is too fast in these big rigs anyway, but to me, when you are passing a car (or two) in an open section, you want to rip by and not hang out in the wrong side. The HEMI was hands down without question superior in this way. I thought it would be the Hurricane that would be better in this with the turbos, but nope. The HEMI was clearly stronger in this instance.
Based upon my experience, while I think the Hurricane is a lovely, smooth engine. I decided to keep my HEMI for now. There was no clear advantage in MPG to the turbo six and the passing power was not as strong. I can see either being a fine engine for these big, heavy SUV’s - but the HEMI is still just a little better in my opinion.
Nice comparison. I'm not sure what the hurricane is rated at for mpg but I'm not surprised that it's not much different from the 6.4 at least in those big heavy wagoneers. Just out of curiosity if the hurricane did yield a noticably better mpg over the 6.4 would that be enough for you to trade up?
@@chetmanley610 If the MPG was meaningfully improved over the HEMI, then yes, I would trade up. The reduced passing power on the top end is something I could live with. But not if there are no other benefits to the Hurricane. I think to see any real world MPG improvement I would need to drive the GW with a VERY light foot. The turbos basically are always feeding during normal acceleration or highway driving in the GW because it is a heavy vehicle, so the MPG suffers. This combined with the reduced top end passing power removes any benefit. If the MPG was 2+ or more better, then I could see perhaps moving up.
I own a GW with a hurricane engine and own 2 Hemi and you’re dead wrong on the power … it is very noticeable ( it does take 1 second of lag to wake but it flies in comparison to Hemi that wakes instantly but is slower) I drive sport mode 24/7 … the gas consumption is like you said almost identical 14 Hemi 14.8 hurricane, and I have a very heavy foot
@@RVForLife365 Good to know. Hope you have better luck than I did with the GW. I really love them, but the reliability is horrible. We built up to having 3 of them in our business, but the problems were so bad we had to dump two of them and the third is now going through the lemon law process - it launched a piston in the HEMI. Very surprising, but just too many issues. Changed over to all Escalades now. If Jeep got these right on the reliability, they would crush the Escalade, but unfortunately, Jeep did not do so. I was extremely surprised that the engine had an issue given that they have been building the 6.4 for so many years.
Superior in emissions to the hemi, thus fewer carbon credits for the company to buy.
I love that they are bringing back an actual inline 6 engine and I think we will see some decent reliability from these, however, dodge is making a huge mistake by getting rid of their pushrod V8’s. They need to have both of these engines available simultaneously. Also, maybe make a naturally aspirated version of the new hurricane and put it in the wrangler? Just a thought…
They are getting charged hundreds of millions of dollars a year in penalties because they can't meet the CAFE mileage standards. Of course, these may not even end up getting better mileage in the real world since people will be boosting them all the time compared to MPG test conditions. I'm impressed with the power of these, but also realize it will take them 5 or 6 years to fix whether inherent issues they have. That seems to be the average to fix things like the Ecodiesel, the Pentastar and so forth. Ford does the same slow roll and I think GM just doesn't bother to fix things.
I will always have a hemi. Having said that I have owned a Grand National. With a few mods those cars were wicked fast. So I'm up for anything with a turbo on it.
Just leave it boosted in the wrangler, why deny the fun?
Yes in-line 6 in a Jeep wrangler sounds good.
CAFE and EPA regulations is why the HEMI is about extinct new. Stellantis wisely went inline Turbo six over GM's stupid turbo 4 banger used in inappropriate applications.
Looks like a thousand ways for something to go bad to me. Those hurricane engines are going to be EcoBoost style headaches.
@kskip4242
I was thinking the exact same thing
Yes. but 10x worse cuz quality is something FIAT is not known for on any degree.
@@nytrackrider2600 Sounds like a sure train wreck. You take a chrysler corporation product that has generally always had poor quality and make it worse
Probably worse😂
Certainly not spending a 100K+ for the first year model until the bugs are worked out and/or known. It seems a big problem with modern engines is that they eat a little oil and no one checks their oil. Ever. Watch I Do Cars tear apart modern engines. Almost everything that he gets has oil starvation as at least a contributing factor.
It will never ever ever replace the Hemi. Love from JUD brother!
Watched you grow from the beginning, every upload I see is better and better. Love the content X supporting from VA🥂🤝🏽
Great assembly quality control as evidenced by the improper installation of the door weatherstrip trim over your left shoulder.
This engine is going to be tuners dream!! With a downpipe intake and exhaust and a tune these will see 700 crank hp watch!!! People need to give these a chance I know it’s no 6.4 hemi but these are going to be awesome!!
I like it. I have a 2006 subaru sti making 500whp. This twin turbo inline 6 has ALOT of potential! Your right with the right tune and maybe a few mods it could possibly make 700 ish hp.
I am excited to see what comes out of these. People are so disappointing. I love my 392 hemi but that doesn’t mean I don’t love other engines or cars. I love many types of vehicle and power plants for different reasons and in different contexts. Nobody wins any points for misplaced brand/product loyalty, we all just lose a little bit of togetherness. All by way of saying; I totally agree!
I'm accepting of everything accept a rotary. The 6.4 hemi is a orgasmic exhaust note for my ears that no other engine can replicate. But ive never owned a v8 so it can live without it. I'm chasing speed rn
@@JeremyAndersonBoise Agree 100%
Idk how much you wanna take their word for it but they claim the engine can handle 1000hp, and their currently working on a crate engine that's 1000hp and emissions compliant.
No doubt these will be a force to be reckoned with
I'm a slant 6 nut from way back and been loving the vids on the Vortec 4200 from the trailblazer. You could say i'm a fan of straight 6's, i have been waiting for an actual review of these new 6's, nice to see they appear to be worthy. can't wait to see them hot rodded
I have a Wrangler TJ with a 4.0 inline 6 and a Ram Cummins 6.7 inline 6 they are just so simple and reliable. Would love a new jeep as mines at 190k but don't want that V6
Some other youtubers that reviewed the wagoneer hurricanes several months ago tested them back to back with a 5.7 hemi and it annihilated the hurricane in fuel economy.
Probably because the hurricane was attached to a huge ass SUV and the 5.7 wasn't.
@@freddybell8328 no it was the same model
@@registrationaccount1034 Might be a case where fuel economy of a smaller engine is better in very specific manufacturer controlled scenarios for testing but in real world usage the larger engine is more efficient. Be common with 4-cylinder and 6 cylinder comparisons.
Going a 150 in a demon I get 21 mpg not to bad! It's the stop to start kills your mpg.
I will keep my hemi
0-60 time on the Grand Wagoneer with this engine is only 4.7 seconds, that's impressive!
I think for car folks, the answer will always be no!!!!
I think it will feel stronger then the 5.7 . Aswell as get better economy , and it will be just as or more reliable. The downside is sound, for sure but these modified will make way more power then the hellcats.
The inline 6 is mostly plastic and plastic doesn't hold up well in high heat environments.
The V6 was known for having an oil cooler that cracked because it was in the valley that was plastic and this motor is completely plastic with twin turbos to make sure that everything gets a thorough heat soaking.
I thought it was bad in the '90s when they put plastic hinges knowing that you would have to replace them😅 now the whole power plant. 😂
Don't speak for us, a lot of us are interested in the Hurricane engine and what it could possibly do.
Speak for yourself my boy. A true car enthusiast doesn't care about the cylinders. I hate Hondas but I respect them in a different way . And i give props to their 4 banger
Agreed 💯 majority of TRUE gearheads want that BIG V8 Supercharged sound & performance.
Can't get excited about this V6 or straight 6 stuff.
Trouble is a 6 cylinder still sounds like a 6 cylinder even with twin turbos on it. It sounds like crapola. Think 1st Gen Raptor, same problem! I know, use to have one, hated the sound no matter how exhaust was modified.
NO THANKS!
However, I can get excited about if Trump gets re-elected. He's already said he's bringing back drilling for oil at home & be energy INDEPENDENT again with low gas prices & low inflation everywhere, just like before.
He said Americans should have choices, not just have mandated green energy climate change BS vehicles shoved down our throats, so he's removing the hundreds of strict Government regulations off of the American Auto manufacturers so they can build the cars and vehicles that we love. I can see the hemi & even better V8 ICE engines coming our way if he gets in there.
If he don't, then kiss all your V8's goodbye!
He Has My Vote 💯 !! He works only for We The People Not the Washington Deep State Bureaucrats & their big money backers oF RINOS & DEMS candidates & politicians.
I Want my Supercharged Big V8'S!
Hang in there America! I think the American manufacturers are waiting to see who gets elected, so they can adjust accordingly, building the big V8's that we all love under Trump in office or have them die under anyone else.
Just sayin......
Would love to know what those mean and peak cylinder pressures are on that heavily boosted inline 6, sure you can get a bunch of power and torque with boost but how long will that little 6 last?
If it's anything like the 2j rb26 or barra ..we're in good shape
An inline 6 will always be infinitely more reliable by design than any American pushrod
Probably as long as a cam eating hemi
@@aternateus5835and we don't know remotely if it is...no more than the 6.4L had the legs of an LS3
It's nothing like those, doesn't even rev past 6K rpms. Seems like that the elephant in the room that everyone is missing. @@aternateus5835
Love the reviews man. Keep up the great content 👏
RacerX, I like that your reviewing more then just the muscle cars. Thx!
Yes the Grand Wagoneer is nice looking but with the MSRP listed at $109,145, it's too much for most....I'll stick with my SRT-10 and T/A 392...but like always a nice video.
As a bmw owner, I love a straight 6 bi turbo. Loving this engine so far.
😊I get a kick outta seeing how much fun you have driving these cars. It put a smile on your face. I'm looking at what's out there for my wife's next car. As much as she loves her Journey, it just doesn't have the oomph to get out of it's way on the interstate. 13:41 14:07
Got $100K saved up?😂
That going into the wranglers will be really nice
No replacement for displacement, the tone of a V8 exhaust cannot be duplicated!!!
There definitely is. It's called "forced induction". You know, the same way most of the pros make big power. At some point, you're going forced induction, be it supercharger or turbocharger. Dont forget racing gas and nitrous all play a part. Displacment is nice and all, but it's not everything. People who think like that are stuck in the past, and wont be winning much.
No, there is no replacement for displacement. Proven everyday at NHRA tracks around the country. Forced induction works just fine on big motors and makes huge gains.
@RacerX While I'd rather have a Hemi V8, it'd be cool if they did a Hemi variation of this twin turbo inline 6. They used to sell a HEMI-6 (HEMI Slant 6) back in 60's and 70's in Australia.
Excellent review Racer! You make me excited for the Hurricane! I would love to see that engine in a revived stealth. Come on Dodge! Bring back the Stealth!
The weatherstrip on the drivers door is driving me nuts! 😂
The minute these become available at junk yard I'm getting one to stuff in my Dakota RT.
The boom boom boom of my 6.4 scatty is what's its about. Don't get me wrong, speed is great and so is power and torch. Driving is an experience, the vibration, sound and rumble is what it is. Idk, we'll see when the engine is in a Challenger/charger platform
I agree but when all you see is the taillights getting smaller and then you find out you got whipped by a 6 banger that may make you re think things.
Racer X friend keep up the great work 😃😃💪💪🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍👍👍
I want to learn about this engine but don't know if I can make it trough this this guys Rambles on and on teases it out for ever he really loves the sound of his own voice
A shame to not offer a V8 or diesel in a vehicle that big.
Oh shot they do;)
price tag on it is even bigger. 6 figures for a Stellantis product? Someone musta bumped their head....
and Inline 6 diesel would offer more power than anyone would ever need. Just a 3 liter inline 6 too. Nowadays Honda has the DTEC diesel, it's 1.6 liters, has150hp at 6000rpm (the highest revving diesel ever made) and like 260ft/lbs of torque. That's a lot of muscle for a Honda Microcar. And Volvo Penta has a 7.7 liter inline 6 diesel that has 600hp and like 1500ft/lbs of torque. They now have integrated exhaust gas cooling into the head so they can push turboboost higher without having the high exhaust gas temps that burn out turbos. Even mercedes is using this trick where they have a 2liter four now with 450hp and 450ft/lbs of torque. There is such thing as having too large of a motor.
Love the hemi and don’t like the hurricane just because it’s going to kill the hemi. But I am excited for it. I think I could be a blast. Just won’t sound as good. A light challenger with the high output could kill so many cars
Well done sir. Well explained and shown. Thats a nice lookin rig too.😛
As much as I love my '21 scatpack, I gotta admit these engines are going to be NASTY once tuners get their hands on them. I'm almost 100% sure there is a ton of performance left on the table here.
Yeah just think what a simple piggyback tune and some downpipes could make some easy power
Going to be even nastier once they start showing up at sideshows and insurance stops covering them like they've started doing in certain markets thanks to the Kia Gangbangers. 🤡
@@boboso7238you think kias be at slideshows ? 😹🤦♂️ it’s usually a 5.7 or a G35 😂
Or maybe they will place the top ring right up top and tightest possible ( the primary issue people don't squeeze much out the 6.4l) for emissions with just enough heat tolerance for stock boost...its hella assuming different because don't they have 2 different blocks.for this engine based on 75hp differences?
Not if they are built like the 5.7L and the 6.1L hemi's. They have no room for upgrades, without handgrenading the engine.
I don't mind the hurricane. I just hope Dodge makes a smaller, light car to put it in and compete with the new Supra that is beating everyone because they are small and light. ALSO, I'm curious how they handle mods?
Yes them BMW ain't no joke
Car manufacturers are making it harder and harder to mod engines due to Draconian government requirements. It's probably not easy, especially on the computer side of things.
@@johncarter1137 There will never be a computer lock that won't eventually be hacked.
BMW has been building exciting models for years, no surprise Toyota just gave them the job
Dodge engines below the TOP Trim have never been THAT mod-able, Compared to other manufacturers
Looks like a very capable engine, I’m an ICE guy especially a V8, I’m just glad it’s not another damn EV, great video 😁👍
ANYTHING is better than an EV, give me a 3 cylinder Japanese K class car instead on an EV
RacerX what if you engine swap hurricane engine in the dodge challeger SXT & can you modify the engine too
What a freakin beast!
I'm looking forward to the new Hurricane engine, however I do have one major concern & that is reliability with turbo charged engines in general. Turbo technology has greatly improved in recent years, especially with the Ford EcoBoost family of engines, buyers are generally very pleased with results, so long as the owner keeps up with proper maintenance. I hope this new direction that the brand is taking will be a success.
I've been driving turbo cars for decades now. Modern turbo engines are highly reliable.
@@Japplesnap Yes that's true, so long as people do proper maintenance they should hold up.
In gas (spark-ignited) engines, correct. These engines are pressure and temperature limited, where diesels are not. This fan-boy worship of BMW engine architecture in a truck is uninformed.
The main key with turbo engines is to do oil changes every 3-5k miles, NOT 10k. Deposits build up in the oil and can block the filter in the oil line to the turbos. You can imagine what happens next
Turbo engines have been incredibly reliable for decades. Simply keep up with the oil changes and you will not have any issues.
Pay 70 to 90 grand for a jeep and after 50,000 miles pulling the head to clean the valves due to direct injection. All those plastic tubes and the heat will also be a problem. Wait till a turbo blows out of warranty and you get the price for two ouch. I really hope this is a great engine or its something the after market can bullet proof. I would defiantly wait a few years and see how they hold up before I would buy one.
They learned everything on the 80's 2.2
The 4 cyl that can make 500 hp on stock internals.
LOL yea I see them all on the road today still pulling hard. NOT!@@kenik2023
Can you get a grand wagoneer without turbo charging???What is the wear and tear on the engine because of the turbo boosting???
How about internals any forged crank rods or pistons?
I was excited for the next generation chargers and Challengers that would have this engine, til I found out the Hurricane engine is DI only.
Now if you don't plan on keeping the car for too long, that wouldn't be a problem for you. But when I play, I play for keeps. And I don't want the costly headache of a DI engine down the road. Dodge needs to make it dual injection for me to bite.
Carbon buildup :(
You can switch to port injection easily. BMW Twin turbo in-line 6s can be switched from DI to port injection pretty easily.
@@aimxdy8680 My BMW N55 is 8 years old, I just had the intake off to fix the oil filter housing leak, very minimal carbon build up. Someone is running on very old info.
@@aimxdy8680 yea, I know ppl do it all the time to run e85 and what not but I do have some concerns: I don't know that kind of work so I would have to hire a professional to do it for me, at that point how much is it gonna cost? Does it need a tune after that? (Probably, most likely), is it gonna void my warranty? (I'm guessing absolutely). Grand total, how much did I spend on this Hurricane Challenger/Charger, hypothetically? (A crap ton of money this poor guy doesn't have.)
I just wish I didn't have to go through all that trouble from the start.
If you put a hydrogen generator on your car it will clean the cylinders and exhaust and improve your fuel economy about 50%. Plus the combustion temp will go down so you can increase boost or advance timing
Another fantastic video!! That Wagoneer is more extravagant than I ever imagined! That interior is unlike anything I've ever seen before! Once again, like I've stated before, I am a big proponent to the HEMI. The HEMI going away is a sting that I am not sure if I'll ever recover from. That said, with regard to its successor, I am very excited about the new Hurricane I6 engine! I can't wait to see what new platforms that engine will be featured in. Here's hoping for the return of the 'cuda! Stay strong, fellow Mopar brothers and sisters! On behalf of Racer X, I thank each and every one of you for being awesome subscribers and supporters of Racer X's channel! You all are awesome!!
I think the new cars with the inline 6 will be bette perhaps. I like inline 6's. Chrysler has a good history with 6's. 6's are more exotic motors that can be pushed harder than V8. They have more torque, and you can rev them out more, and they're better at sustaining high speed operation. With that said, that whole era with the 300, the challenger, and the chargers with the hemi was a great era. Those cars are going to be loved for a long time. The Lincoln town car was a very good car too and when dodge got the mercedes W211 technology and applied it to an American car. These cars have turned out being some of the most loved cars in modern times because of their looks, their performance and the sound they make, People love these car and fortunately there's been a lot of them made. I drive a 2006 Mercedes E320 CDI, and it's a great car, it's a better car, it has a better motor, it's more aerodynamic, it's a better car but I can understand from the W211 it's great chasis and dodge did a great job dropping a modern HEMI V8 in it. But to tell you the truth, if you really want to go fast, the turbodiesel is the really high performance option. I'm surprised nobody has figured to hot rod a Chrysler charger with the V6 turbodiesel. But then the thing is you can't get the power out of the V6 turbodiesels as you can from the Mercedes inline 6, so that should say something about the merrit of going to a inline 6 in general, but even the V6 turbodiesel will the leave the V8 behind on the open road above 80mph.
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for a 100k vehicle it better be
How often does the intake ports have to be cleaned of the carbon deposits? All direct injected gas engines have issues with it. Only Toyota has a somewhat effective dual injection setup.
Is a subscription needed to use the car lock device? Can I use the app and get the notifications without having a subscription? How much is an average subscription fee?
Great video, thanks for the real time review on how this engine feels. The new Charger and Challenger should get it as a cool circle since you could get an inline 6 in those cars in the 60's.
What I'm excited for is WHEN Chrysler makes the Hurricane 6 a crate engine. I'd install one in a classic Charger/Challenger/Dart that originally came with a slant 6!
The question is will that Hurricane Inline Six outlast the Hemi V8?
@@CJColvin We'll just have to wait and see, that's one question I'm intrigued about.
I've been a Mopar fan since childhood and the real Hemi stopped being produced! Owned all kinds of them powered by a host of various engines from four bangers to 440's! Dodge and Ma Mopar always figured out a way to put something fast out when the odds were stacked against them! Whether it was the Little Red Truck towards the end of the 1970's, the Shelby Turbo cars of the eighties, Viper in the 90's, and the return of the Hemi name and Challenger and Charger in the 2000's.
Not only did they build fast cars they built some of the toughest engines ever built by anyone! We don't even have to talk Cummins diesel to talk about Mopar related engines that could put some miles on! Little slant six and 318's! The beatings I've put on them!
I have faith even under Stellantis they will figure out a way to deliver unique and fun vehicles to own! It's going to take getting people past the one trick pony Hemi mentality! Got to see Dodge as more than a two or three vehicle Hemi only car company! I personally think they made a mistake going down that rabbit hole and were limiting their customer base to much and tarnishing their image in doing so! Invited to many hoodlums and thieves and crybabies to the party.
Just a shame that they allowed Fiat to do the engineering on the new engines. I won't touch them now. I can't go to another manufacturer either, as the EPA is killing the V8 engine. Everyone is going with the Twin-Turbo V6 route and it's depressing. I don't want to be replacing turbo's every 30-60K miles.
@@PatientXero607 Just a shame you don't know what you are talking about!
"Despite having common cylinder spacing and bore and stroke as the FCA Global Medium Engine, as well as valvetrain similarities, "less than 5% of content on the new Hurricane is shared with existing engines."[2] The engine was developed at their technical center in Auburn Hills, Michigan over the course of three years."[
@@PatientXero607 The inline six has proven advantages over V-6 engines! The first and most important is the inline six has far superior balance and you can add to that torque output!
@brianellis3402 I agree 100% brother
You're too foolish to realize the Hemi was damn near the last remnant of Dodge left in this shell of a company. As soon as they're gone so is Dodge. My family has always owned Dodge and Chrysler products. We even love the turbo 80s cars. But the reality is that Dodge died when Fiat took over. At least Fiat kept products of Chrysler engineering around such as the Hemis, Rams, Viper, Jeeps, ect. Now that the Hemi is gone so is the brand. Its that simple. The Hornet is literally an Alfa Tonale with hardly anything changed. The SRT team doesn't even exist anymore. So real fans are going to understand that what ever comes out of Stellantis wont be a Dodge.
I fell in love with this truck at the NYAS , my son wants a Trackhawk of course..
I’m surprised the “But it’s not a manual transmission 😢” guys haven’t chimed in.. They literally want to shift EVERYTHING lol
most of them dont even know how to drive a manual lol 😂
@@RSJerelle_ No manual I pass. And yes, I know how to drive one. My daily driver is a three on the tree, which probably would mystify the both of you.
@@yourolddad6407If your daily is a three on the tree, I doubt you can afford a new vehicle. 😂
Last time a had one, it was in the 80’s. All were shit cars then. Econloline. I would be depressed if I was stuck driving those still.
It's a good thing when you are offered options, different strokes for different folks. I would like to see them also offer the exterior wood trim panels like the classic Grand Wagoneer had.😊
Racer X, as a 6.4 L challenger owner, you are really selling me on the Hurricane. I think it can be a great modern engine. I’m excited about the future.
I doubt it'll outlast the 392 Hemi V8 though?
Assuming it can get past 100,000 miles without any major repairs
❤Thank you for sharing God bless you
Whether it succeeds or fails I'm excited to see this engine in new Dodge cars.
Tell me what Dodge cars I can find this engine.
Why?
115k? Oh hell no… I realize it’s top of the line with all the bells and whistle‘s, but even a midpoint offering is probably going to be 85k+ and then you probably don’t get the TwinTurbo Hurricane. Hard pass here.
thoughts on 2 twin vs series turbos like whats found in the mk4 supra? i say that for because yes it is complicated but you get the low end grunt that you currently have but more linear power.
RacerX. I don't recall you giving the price of your test vehicle.
2023 Grand Wagoneer Series III: $107,995
2023 Grand Wagoneer L Series III: $110,995
From Motor Trend. The Huracan in that vehicle has an EPA estimates. 14 mpg city, 19 mpg highway. The base 5.7 Wagoneer starts at $70,845.
Basically more expensive than a Lincoln Navigator or Cadillac Escalade. Maybe compare those two vehicles
You can definitely get power more easily out of a turbo engine. For example, you can get 500 plus horsepower out of a 2.3-liter Mustang Ecoboost engine. All you need are downpipe, intercooler, turbo, and fuel pump upgrades along with a flex fuel tune. Burn 93 during the week and fill it with E-85 on race day. This car will smoke stockish Scat Packs, Camaro SSs, and Mustang GTs. The total cost of the upgrades is about $7k. The nice thing about turbo engines is that they are highly tunable. With my Taurus SHO, I cut over a second off my quarter mile ET with just a tune. The cost of the tune was about $600. You can make good power for a relatively small investment. Once you own a turbo car, it is easier to get past the sound of a V8.
Why not just turbo the v8 best of both worlds you get the sound of a v8 and plus the boost
@@johntron1237 - Three letters E-P-A (Environmental Protection Agency). It is getting more and more difficult to meet government standards for fuel economy and emissions. The Hemi can't meet these standards and have to pay a penalty for it. Small displacement engine meet these standards more easily. To get the power out of small displacement engines, boost is added. The era of the V8 is dying and will eventually be dead.
@@hu3.789 oh I thought meant like in general like modding your own hemi but you right out of the factory the epa is making it really hard so it makes sense for the switch in engines
@@johntron1237 - There are 2 problems you'll run into with adding a turbo to the 392 or the 5.7. The first will be space. With all the plumbing involved, there is very little room in the engine bay for turbos. Four- and 6-cylinder engines are smaller allowing the turbos to be placed in the engine bay. The turbos will probably have to be place under the car in the 8 cylinder. That could pose a problem during rainstorms or driving through standing water. The other is that HP70 transmission used in the 392 and 5.7 probably won't stand up long term to the additional torque. Either the HP70 has to be replaced with an HP90 that is used in the Hellcat or the HP70 will have to be rebuilt and strengthened.
The question is will those turbo engines outlast a NA V8?
These 4 and 6 turbo motors are nice options but they have to work harder then a v8 in a larger vehicle and it makes fuel milage go down and over all wear tear go up . I don't see the v8 going anywhere and if it does it won't stay gone
It’s actually the opposite. The V8 has to work harder. It needs to rev so much higher to gain max torque.
Straight 6 makes full torque under 2000k rpm. Hemi does that in triple the time at 5k rpm. Plus straight 6 doesn’t need to rev high. Turbos do all the work.
Straight 6 turbos are so powerful, they are found in every 18 wheeler. Tons of them with 5 million plus miles on them.
These new engines will be the closest to a diesel without having to go diesel. This will close the gap.
v8!is definitely going away for good. Won’t pass emissions. Plus these new 6 engines will last longer and make tons more power.
Great video
that is a good project 99 single cab Dakota rt with that hurricane engine swap and a 6 speed transmission.
Great content, as always. But I'm just not seeing it. The smart way to integrate these engines would've been while SRT was up and running. They could've put these out in the Chargers and challengers to show people that they could make at much hp as the V8s.
The issue I think is that these are not forged internals that can handle tunes to boost them to 700 hp.
Will people get them and play with them? Sure. Just not seeing the same enthusiasm. Especially when Ford and Chevy are continuing their V8 muscle.
Sad to say, but I am done with Dodge after 20 plus years.
Ditto.
I would think that HEMI fans wouldn't hate it so much. The 2JZ engine is inline TT. Those cars rule the streets.
Real Hemi fans perhaps, or better yet, actual car guys in general.
The online community on their trumpets tend to be more basic and "paper spec" folk than anything.
I definitely hear "i6" and "associated Chrysler" and instantly went "well Jeep, we found your new engine" lol
I have 2022 Grand Cherokee 4XE and love it. I hope the new GC SRT comes with the TT I6 and hybrid combo to make 610HP and 675TQ respectfully... I totally buy one
Wood grain is a genuine pine 2x4, coated in clear deck stain. Outstanding 👍
Like the old saying, 6 in a row - ready to tow. Glad the Hurricane engine name is back! Thanks as always for the review ~ Chuck P.S. - like you said, in a newer/smaller chassis - this would be wicked!
Raw output, yeah, it:s a little more the hemi at around 400hp standard output ant 500hp high output. But when it's squeezing those numbers out of just 3 liters of displacement, "better" has to be carefully considered. Getting 200-300 thousand miles out of a gen III hemi isn't unheard of. They remain pretty stout and strong throughout that lifecycle. Fuel economy can be surprisingly good with manual transmission Challenger r/t's easily able to beat EPA highway mpg ratings by 10-20%. With the hurricane, my bet would be real world fuel economy will be no better than the hemi while durability and longevity and reliability get cut in half. So even if it's a little faster and even if certain situations offer better fuel economy than the hemi, for what the hurricane is, and for how their owners will want to use them (not to mention when considering has designed them and who will be building them), they will be a bad choice
I agree 100% brother
@@CJColvin Only time will tell, Fiat isn't known for long term relibility.
How many camshafts does it take to go 2-300,000 miles?
@Patrick-xd8jv almost none mate unlike the EcoBoost engines.
Hurricane engine generates effortless power and torque
Simply amazing
What did they do to prevent carbon buildup on the valves with it being DI only? That's been an issue at Ford and GM with their DI engines...which is why Ford added FI back to their Ecoboost 3.5TT.
The 3.5 EB has been DI/FI forever . Even the 2009 - 2011 Lincoln had both. Probably why Daimler Mercedes asked Ford if they could use their system in 2011. Ford said NO>
@@SilverRaven1959 Wrong, Ford didn't add PI back to the 3.5 EB until 2017 with the 2nd Gen version. Before then...carbon buildup on the valves was possible.
Goodbye Dodge, no more Hemi, no more business from me. It’s what made Dodge so unique. 2 Chargers, 2 Challengers and a Jeep and over 25 years of business and they lost me with getting rid of Hemi and not fighting back, regardless of cost. So much for the free spirit they once had.
Time to switch to Mercedes.
True
I was thinking Chevy tbh
Dodge Hurricane engine, is basically a more modern 2jz motor. Not sure what size turbos they come with, but with a tune, intake, and downpipes I'm sure they can put out close 700whp pretty close to stock maybe more depending on the size of the turbos and fuel used.
Hell no 😂it’s more a ford v6 eco boost
@@darrylrichardson1997 but its a inline 6 lol
You’re right a I6 has 7 main bearings to a V8’s 5 mains plus they are inherently balanced. I’m sure the 2JZ was looked over and used as a benchmark to beat. I’m curious how well the engine will do after tuners get a hold of it!
@@pauldiesel4582not good considering the fact dodge loves to cut corners
@@8dtuneess342 That’s a broad statement. Are you talking about their engines?
When the power comes in I could see the rear end squat. Denis from Santa Rosa CA.
Can't wait to see it in the RAM brand
These things aren't selling well at all be some heavy discounts at end of year❤
They are around 100k give or take! Lot of money no matter the engine under the hood.
@@lisam4503 Wow! Now that is absurd
@@manher4335 As he explained in a past video they've had to jack the prices way up to offshoot emissions related penalties and to stay profitable with less sales.
@@lisam4503 Well. Needless to say that tactic is gonna come at a disadvantage as tough as it is. Affordability clearly won't be a benefit. Few will justify the price unless they have money to burn. I feel they should pinch a penny here n there to make it more applicable to their target demographic.
@@manher4335 Some of the youtubers are contributing to the problem! They think everyone has money like they do! I won't name them, but I was totally shocked by one of their responses to me over this issue!
It wasn't Racer X but someone he knows! It's like they live in a totally different economic world than most everyone else and can't see it! Really stuck up about it!
Can you just imagine the out of warranty costs with 20 screens on the interior only?
That's why this vehicle is meant to be leased. It's a Stellantis product...not meant to keep long term.
Nothing us peasants will have to worry about 😂
Does the power come in like the Grand National from the late 80's?
Car and Driver got a 4.7 second 0 to 60 in the L or long version. That is very impressive. I have always loved straight 6's.
Definitely better than the 5.7 at a minimum, about time dodge brought in a replacement for their engines, and will probably blow the doors off of previous gen dodge cars, better launching and better top ends, which dodge so desperately needed
I think this will be an awesome sporty engine for the coups and sedans but I'm having serious second thoughts about this in a work truck. The towing on these new engines is lower than the stock Hemi and I don't want to even think about the maintenance of a boosted inline-six that has less displacement than the old 4.0 inline-six AMC engines. The metallurgy and engineering are impressive and no doubt the compression ratio is high. Face it, a performance inline 6 with these kinds of numbers look great for an exotic sedan but impractical for a work vehicle that is going to see hundreds of thousands of miles. The main question is -- who is standing up to the EPA and CAFE and telling them that this low-to-no carbon footprint isn't ideal for all consumer and business needs?
I disagree with the statement of "Hemi's don't take to mods well". You can force induct, stroke, or cam a Ram V8 and get some sizeable HP numbers. It's hard to do because Ram/Dodge isn't open to tweaking an engine that was built to be reliable.
Then buy a bigger RAM with the V8 which is an option for now. Just won't be able to do it until you get to 3500 level.
@@user-cd8ri1mc6s That might be awhile. My '19 Warlock just broke 30k. 🙃
@@user-cd8ri1mc6sSo they’ll put this engine in the Power Wagon? That was gonna be my next truck but if this engine is in it I’m not sure
@@cpdrumming The Hemi is history. Cost $2500 out the door each sold in Carbon taxes.
@@user-cd8ri1mc6s jeez
Is it bad I kinda want to see it in a wrangler and see how it will do off road.
Inline sixes ... inherently balanced, not needing counterweights like a V8. Past experience has shown that the long crankshafts can be problematic in high rpm, and other high stress situations. So I'm curious about how well these things actually would handle "upgrades".
And, 6700 lbs?! My old Yukon was only 5300 lbs. What a porker! Admittedly it's not just this thing. I'm amazed at how heavy cars, trucks, and SUVs are getting.
Seeing how (un) well the Dodge Hornet did on the TFL channels test, furthers my belief to stay far away from anything FIAT or their partner Peugeot/Citroën engineers or are behind the development or building of...While they run, they might be fun- but then as they age they just are constantly "Crapping the bed"
It kind of depends, the FIAT multijet motor is one of the most successful modern engines ever built. Almost everybody uses these engines, they're cheap, quiet, powerful, reliable, efficient. They also have the twin air motor, inline 2 turbocharged and it doesn't have a throttle body, it uses the intake valves to control the air flow. I'm impressed.
@rainbowwarrior2635 nah, highly doubt it. Watch the TFL test of the Alfa- built Hornet. It literally massively fails (dash lights up and it cripples itself- massively hilarious) on the wheel slip test. No consumer group recommends FCA/Stellantis product.
@@olikat8that was a pre production car and it had only some small problems that every pre production car has
@dennisdragomirescu3824 so they hand those out, full well knowing they're going to be put on an episode & totally trashed? Smart people running that place.
Alfa has been making that vehicle for a while. All this is? A re-skin & badging.the chassis & powertrain should've been sorted out. But let's face it- Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep, and "Mopar" are just brands owned by a Franco-Italian conglomerate that, between them, haven't made durable, reliable vehicle in how many decades?
🍀Racer X 😎✌️
Ive heard inline 6 motors with split headers an duel exhaust sound better then v8s. Dont know if you can do that to this motor or not.
I was thinking of putting a jz1 in my 73 charger I’m building but if I can get my hands on one of these instead. That would be awesome.
Only issue is tuning them….. I have an acquaintance who blew his trans on his hellcat and was not covered as his car was tuned (which they found by scanning PCM). I’m sure this will carry over so be careful anyone who chooses to go down the sticky path.
If you want to flush your factory warranty. Tune your new vehicle. A simple diagnostics scan will determine if your vehicle was tuned voiding your warranty.
Maybe get a junkyard pcm to play with, keep factory box on shelf
I have mixed feelings. I am a muscle guy and nothing satisfies my automotive urges save an NA or super charged V8. However, am I still excited to see this engine in a car and to see dodge explore new performance avenues? HELL YES! Personally I’d feel it more fitting to bring back the stealth name. A turbo six just doesn’t fit a challenger as well for what it’s been. Regardless be it a challenger, stealth or something entirely new, I am excited to see this motor in a car!
That would be awesome to bring the stealth back!
Doesn’t take much to excite you does it?
@@tomdavis3038 a twin turbo i6 with loads of power potential isn’t at least marginally interesting to you?
My boss just bought a new Wagoneer Series 3. and it is gorgeous inside and out. That said, it had an MSRP of $113,000.00. WOW! They have a long horse trailer and classic car trailer they pull with this new Grand Wagoneer which is the reason they bought the vehicle. This vehicle replaced a RAM one-ton pickup and a GMC Yukon, so I guess this is a deal?
Our jeep / ram dealer isn't moving cars. They had a big banner with employee pricing for everyone and some other discount and I still wasn't seeing anything move off their lot. Will be interesting if they can survive the economy situation. Hopefully the Ram Rampage comes out in time to soak up some of the maverick demand.
This motor is going to be great in the Grand Cherokee!
i mean if the sound isnt the same but if dodge decided to put the hurricane into new challengers to make them faster, then id be ok with it.
Me 2, cause a 10 speed mustang beats us every day
I drove the wagoneer with inline I-6 ,had the ZJ grand cheokee with the 4.0 , the magic is back , now will it go 200,000 miles ? like the short wb like the org wagoneer/grand wagoneer/SJ cherokee owned or drove all of them also if I can get over the look s and nice if it was a 2 two model for us who have no need , want ,or will ever have a use for a 3rd row, I want payload cargo space and towing in my wagon
I wish the next Grand Wagoneer is the same size as the Ford Excursion that would be " Awesome "
I'd love to see this engine in a Charger or next gen Challenger. I bet it'd be much faster than a Scat Pack and certainly faster than the 5.7.
It’s going to smoke it. what the hell are you talking about? I own the 3.6, the 5.7 and a 392 and my 3.6 is just as fast as my 5.7. The 5.7 is a joke.
@@williamrose7184well if you knew your history you would know the 5.7 is a truck motor from 2003. It’s old it definitely ain’t slow. Damn car weighs 4000 plus slap that in a Honda or fox body that motor will fly.
The hurricane is going to be a sick addition to the mopar lineup, imo. I do, however, hope stellantus co tinues with the hemis as an option for those purists who prefer the v8 burble. I saw racer x's video on the why the v8 is on the chopping block. Financially, for a corporation, it makes sence. I do hope they find a way to offer the v8, at least in limited editions or specialty offerings... just a thought...
The V8 will be for sale as a crate engine for a long time.
I just don't buy that they are eliminating the V8 HEMI options strictly because of the carbon tax they pay. That is easily offset by the customer who wants it and is willing to pay that tax to get it by making the HEMI engine option cost proportionally more. They are doing it to look politically correct. Outside of that, I don't have any problem with the HURRICANE twin turbo inline 6. If you're going to offer a performance 6 cylinder they got the blueprint correct.
How does it compare to the b58/s58 of the bmw?
My question is this. If dodge gets rid of the hemi is a version of this engine going to be what replaces it in the Ram pickups? If so it should prove verrrry interesting.😁👍
Ho hum most of us don’t care
These V6’s are getting worked harder than the V8 for those #’s. I know you said Dodge stated that these power plants are not getting pushed to the full capability, But I would worry about reliability issues especially when the warranty is up. bottom line you have two less cylinders to play with
The hurricane is an I6, not a v6.
These turbocharged engines create torque at the lower end of the RPM range.
U say that with no mechanical proof just the fact that it’s down w cylinders and has turbos Yu say it’s working harder .. it’s v10s that don’t like boost blah blah blah ,, I love v8s but when u get smoked by this motor I’m sure u won’t write that comment telling everyone
Inline 6's are stronger and more reliable than V8's. They are also natraully balanced and very smooth. Just look at the Cummins diesels.
And more work on the engine. 6.4l hemi for me. I won't get it unless it has the 6.4l hemi
Fiat designed engine built in Mexico by a French owned company. What could possibly go wrong wrong?
I am getting more and more interested in seeing if this engine is something I can do for my 2018 Challenger. I'm sure a new tranny will be required, but also wondering what else would be required to do the swap.
I've commented on other videos that I hope Jeep puts this in the Wrangler. Some say it won't fit...but it looks like it can.
An in-line 6 twin will outrun a 392 everytime . It’s just facts. An inline twin in a smaller challenger chassis would be insane. I prefer an inline 6 over a v6 , dodge or stallantis did it right.
and the I6 won’t blow up at 5 Lbs of boost like 392
@@aimxdy8680 the 392 can handle 7-8 psi well, I’ve done it , I know
1. It doesn't handle the 392. Look at Car & Driver's test. The 392 is faster both 5-60 and passing times.
2. If Dodge was really about it, it would have made a turbo version of the 6.4. I have a new motor with the BGE block and it can easily handle 1,000 hp with the right pistons and crank.
3. The 6.4 sounds much better and will be more durable than a twin turo 6b
@@jtc1964x you’re wrong but ok
@@seanem7261 But will it handle it and not just last like 5 pulls on the stock motor? It really depends on the tuner, had a guy 392 blow up with a 7 psi pro charger before he forged the new engine completely and Inline 6s are known to be bulletproof motors with boost like the 2JZ and S58 which can make 1000+ WHP on Stock bottom end (Yes I know it won’t last that long at that power, I’d keep it under 900 wheel for reliability)