If I didn't know any better, I'd have thought this was the season finale already. I can't wait to see how the next episode sets up the future of Vinland Saga! You can watch my reaction to the finale episode right now on the $5 tier on Patreon, where we've also started watching Jujutsu Kaisen S2 every week as it airs!: www.patreon.com/posts/vinland-saga-84816397
Canute has been under the worst stress of his life. He's literally suffering under all that oppression. Thorfinn showed him that there's another way, and Canute realized that. This conflict began because Canute needed funds. But because of his conversation with Thorfinn, he realized he could just remove the army in Denmark to get the nobility and the people's trust instead, rather than secure them by force with his armies like he intended. This has a bit of risk, but it paid off. Conqueror and conquered became more friendly. And Canute finally did something he can be happy about himself for, which is something he's never done since Ragnar's death. It goes to show one of the core lessons of Vinland Saga: Pacifism is a risk, but it's a risk worth taking. And it feels good afterwards. Canute's goal has NOT changed. He just modified his methods a bit to make room for Thorfinn's methods, which made him a better king in the process.
That speech at the end was the same one from the beginning of the season. The only difference was that this time, instead of the words being linked to images of warriors carving their enemies. They were linked to farmers carving the earth.
They're not in competition, and that's what they figured out together. Both want to create a better future for people. The thing is by what means. Canute has gradually been tapping into the oppressive side of being a king and hence seeing his father more and more. He understands that to do the things he wants to do, there will be collateral damage, because war is just a tool in Canute's toolset, and people are assets. These people are who Thorfinn want to help, those that refuse war. Thorfinn made him realize he was exaggerating and would eventually have gone too far.
It's interesting that Thorfinn managed to persuade Canute so quickly in this encounter, like how he also was the one who made timid Canute speak up in season 1. 😂 For the longest time Canute felt alone, and it was a huge relief for him to know that an old friend shared the same vision (he's still that same cunning person tho, he still plays a significant role in the next arc).
Basically in season one canute stops worshipping god because he comes to the conclusion that the vikings cannot be saved by the trials and tests that gods sets before them, the bible says “through much trial and tribulation , will you enter into the kingdom of god”, canute in his awakening realises that the way the Vikings live, it will never be possible for them to enter the kingdom of god/paradise, so in contempt and disgust, he is set on a mission to create heaven/paradise on earth, by any means necessary
About Canute change being so sudden, here's my thought on a long essay but simple version is he doesn't change his goal. He basically just toned down his aggressive method and break free from his "father curse". Thorffin at this scene (where he thought he failed the peace talk) doesn't try to convice Canute, he just simply shown his philosophy and Canute got inspired and most of all relived. Ofc, slowly it becomes a negotiation again. Canute is someone who pretty much live in a family where most of the members try killing each other for the sake of the crown. The amount of stress and paranoia pretty much affected him into a crybaby then a cold king because of Askellad killing Ragnar. He think he is alone in his vision because no one except wulf want or understand his paradise vision. Then he met Thorfinn declaring he has the same goal, but most importantly this goal came from someone who is a viking kind filled with violent hungry people. He saw love within a group who he sees deemed to be abandoned and unloved by God because of their cruelity. Naturally, it inspired him. This is from emotional PoV. From logical PoV, Canute think he and wulf are alone at this goal. With the help of new allies, he will get that goal much quicker. If he keeps killing innocent in Ketil's farm, he will makes Thorfinn job harder and making it harder to achieve their same goal via different method. Hence why he said this is the most difficult peace negotiation. Thorfinn's argument may be not be convincing to some viewers and a lot of people in Vinland Saga world but this is Canute who has the same goal as Thorfinn. He can be convinced despite how cold he is. He is still reasonable. Thorfinn doesn't change Canute's philosophy, he made him control his cold method way more from getting out of control. Thorfinn breaks him from the curse of the crown (or schizophrenia ig) that is hunting him.
I wish they change it a little bit in the anime. I wish Canute watch how Thorfinn is being punched 100 times and the whole no enemy line thing. Wathcing this, he began to be moved and question his decision. Then he just give one last test to thorfin, and after thorfin say that he would run away, he truly convinced that they have the same goal. I think this will make his decision to leave to not be that sudden. It at least show the viewer that he has been thinking about it for some time.
@@jamesjaya6744 I think the whole season did more than enough that he has always been thinking about it. If he didn't then he wouldn't have those illusions of his father trying to convinced him to just straight up become a tyrant or let Einar talk shit about him being a hypocrite king.
@@yup7380 Yeah I guess. The more I think about it, it does make sense. But I have to read multiple time to feel satisfied about the reasoning of his decision. And I see that it is a common complaint that this moment feel so sudden and just 'talk no jutsu'. I hear the same complaint with canute in S1, although personally I feel S1 moment is more natural to me.I don't have issue with that one. They did change the order of Einar and Thorfinn oath to make it feel more natural, so I tought why not change this moment a little bit, since i believe many people already feel this is so sudden in the manga. When I don't see any complain about the timing of that oath. It does turns out better to delay the oath until Canute leave though.
I love that they gave Sverkel a chair and a farming tool and had him sit with them as they worked at the end, so he could feel like he was still taking part in the farming that had been his life. Also, I think this was the conclusion of Canutes part of the Vinland Saga. The events they went over as he sailed off was taking part over many years so it was a bunch of time skips rounding out his story.
I adore now Olmar says that he wants to be a strong man like Thorfin. He really overcame his societies view of men who need to be brutal and fight all the time. Olmar gets that true strength is enduring and not to fight, to stand up for your own believes even if it goes against what everyone else thinks. That this is what a real men is about. Also that church-music that is playing as Thorfinn and Einar say goodbye to Olmar and Sverkel is absolutely beautiful! Captured my attention the first time I heard it and still does. And Thorfin at 20:36 sounds soooo young again, it was adorable. As if a lot of pressure finally lifted from his shoulders. This poem you see at the end is indeed also at the very beginning of this season („Engrave it …“) and it is actually a poem from one of the Sagas that VinlandSaga is based on. You can search Philip Chase here on yt, he has a whole playlist „Discussion of Vinland Saga Book * with Merphy Napier“ and these two discuss many interesting aspects of this manga. Mr. Chase actually studied old Norse history so he knows a damn lot and itś very interesting to see him drawing parallels and positioning out things you would have never recognized without background knowledge. The only thing I found weird was that we see Thorfin and Einar stand on the ship at 19:00 just to have a flashback to like 10 minutes before. Why not just show this scene right away? That extra few seconds on the ship didn’t add anything. We see them waving again after they sail away
the king actually needs a true friend to talk with him even they wont see much more time。its so importent that there is a person not treat him as a king。 and this epsoild is he first know what friend is
What always struck me about this confrontation, even back when I read it in the manga, was just how little I was able to argue with Canute's (And King Sweyn's) logic. Common sense would say "The people deserve an explanation for your actions as a leader" however King Sweyn makes a point. Canute is a shepherd and his people are sheep. "How could the sheep understand the work of the Shepherd." The shepherd raises and slaughter's sheep to feed his community, harvest their fur for clothing and sell them off to support himself. It's a brutally unfair system for the sheep but it's essential to the Shepherd's survival as well as his community. It's just an argument of "Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" and the answer to that question changes depending on what you value as a person. For a king, his values unfortunately need to be with the majority.
If I didn't know any better, I'd have thought this was the season finale already. I can't wait to see how the next episode sets up the future of Vinland Saga! You can watch my reaction to the finale episode right now on the $5 tier on Patreon, where we've also started watching Jujutsu Kaisen S2 every week as it airs!: www.patreon.com/posts/vinland-saga-84816397
Canute has been under the worst stress of his life. He's literally suffering under all that oppression. Thorfinn showed him that there's another way, and Canute realized that.
This conflict began because Canute needed funds. But because of his conversation with Thorfinn, he realized he could just remove the army in Denmark to get the nobility and the people's trust instead, rather than secure them by force with his armies like he intended. This has a bit of risk, but it paid off. Conqueror and conquered became more friendly. And Canute finally did something he can be happy about himself for, which is something he's never done since Ragnar's death.
It goes to show one of the core lessons of Vinland Saga: Pacifism is a risk, but it's a risk worth taking. And it feels good afterwards.
Canute's goal has NOT changed. He just modified his methods a bit to make room for Thorfinn's methods, which made him a better king in the process.
Whoever composed the music deserves a fuckton of appreciation.
This episode was so damn emotional. Hell, this season was so damn emotional.
Anime of the Year for me. This was so good
The score and colors amplified all the feels in this episode. It really felt like a movie 😂
Yutaka Yamada is a legend. Seriously, I keep replaying the whole Vinland Saga OST on Spotify it's so good for so many occasions.
Robin will probably be dreaming about Sverkel dying lmao.
Lmao I was just so convinced this whole season they were working up to it that I guess I still couldn't let go of the idea 😂
@@RobinoyoReactsdude went straight up AoT mindset, this can't be that happy and so many characters surviving it lol 😂😂
This indeed felt like a season finale. The messages, the dialogue even the thought process behind all this. Vinland Saga is TRULY special.
That speech at the end was the same one from the beginning of the season.
The only difference was that this time, instead of the words being linked to images of warriors carving their enemies. They were linked to farmers carving the earth.
Bro really wanted Sverkel to die already😂
This episode felt like some Christopher Nolan shit. Truly amazing storytelling, the best anime I've watched.
Lower the damn background music Nolan I can't hear what Thorfinn is saying
They're not in competition, and that's what they figured out together. Both want to create a better future for people. The thing is by what means. Canute has gradually been tapping into the oppressive side of being a king and hence seeing his father more and more. He understands that to do the things he wants to do, there will be collateral damage, because war is just a tool in Canute's toolset, and people are assets. These people are who Thorfinn want to help, those that refuse war. Thorfinn made him realize he was exaggerating and would eventually have gone too far.
It's interesting that Thorfinn managed to persuade Canute so quickly in this encounter, like how he also was the one who made timid Canute speak up in season 1. 😂
For the longest time Canute felt alone, and it was a huge relief for him to know that an old friend shared the same vision (he's still that same cunning person tho, he still plays a significant role in the next arc).
Basically in season one canute stops worshipping god because he comes to the conclusion that the vikings cannot be saved by the trials and tests that gods sets before them, the bible says “through much trial and tribulation , will you enter into the kingdom of god”, canute in his awakening realises that the way the Vikings live, it will never be possible for them to enter the kingdom of god/paradise, so in contempt and disgust, he is set on a mission to create heaven/paradise on earth, by any means necessary
This show was beautiful😭. I've never felt this much emotion watching a show. Vinland Saga is a real work of art
Thorfinn really got that talk no jutsu.
About Canute change being so sudden, here's my thought on a long essay but simple version is he doesn't change his goal. He basically just toned down his aggressive method and break free from his "father curse".
Thorffin at this scene (where he thought he failed the peace talk) doesn't try to convice Canute, he just simply shown his philosophy and Canute got inspired and most of all relived. Ofc, slowly it becomes a negotiation again.
Canute is someone who pretty much live in a family where most of the members try killing each other for the sake of the crown. The amount of stress and paranoia pretty much affected him into a crybaby then a cold king because of Askellad killing Ragnar. He think he is alone in his vision because no one except wulf want or understand his paradise vision.
Then he met Thorfinn declaring he has the same goal, but most importantly this goal came from someone who is a viking kind filled with violent hungry people. He saw love within a group who he sees deemed to be abandoned and unloved by God because of their cruelity. Naturally, it inspired him. This is from emotional PoV.
From logical PoV, Canute think he and wulf are alone at this goal. With the help of new allies, he will get that goal much quicker. If he keeps killing innocent in Ketil's farm, he will makes Thorfinn job harder and making it harder to achieve their same goal via different method. Hence why he said this is the most difficult peace negotiation.
Thorfinn's argument may be not be convincing to some viewers and a lot of people in Vinland Saga world but this is Canute who has the same goal as Thorfinn. He can be convinced despite how cold he is. He is still reasonable. Thorfinn doesn't change Canute's philosophy, he made him control his cold method way more from getting out of control. Thorfinn breaks him from the curse of the crown (or schizophrenia ig) that is hunting him.
I wish they change it a little bit in the anime. I wish Canute watch how Thorfinn is being punched 100 times and the whole no enemy line thing. Wathcing this, he began to be moved and question his decision. Then he just give one last test to thorfin, and after thorfin say that he would run away, he truly convinced that they have the same goal. I think this will make his decision to leave to not be that sudden. It at least show the viewer that he has been thinking about it for some time.
@@jamesjaya6744 I think the whole season did more than enough that he has always been thinking about it.
If he didn't then he wouldn't have those illusions of his father trying to convinced him to just straight up become a tyrant or let Einar talk shit about him being a hypocrite king.
@@yup7380 Yeah I guess. The more I think about it, it does make sense. But I have to read multiple time to feel satisfied about the reasoning of his decision.
And I see that it is a common complaint that this moment feel so sudden and just 'talk no jutsu'.
I hear the same complaint with canute in S1, although personally I feel S1 moment is more natural to me.I don't have issue with that one.
They did change the order of Einar and Thorfinn oath to make it feel more natural, so I tought why not change this moment a little bit, since i believe many people already feel this is so sudden in the manga. When I don't see any complain about the timing of that oath.
It does turns out better to delay the oath until Canute leave though.
This is the best episode of television I have watched to this point in my life. Peak story telling.
I love that they gave Sverkel a chair and a farming tool and had him sit with them as they worked at the end, so he could feel like he was still taking part in the farming that had been his life.
Also, I think this was the conclusion of Canutes part of the Vinland Saga. The events they went over as he sailed off was taking part over many years so it was a bunch of time skips rounding out his story.
I adore now Olmar says that he wants to be a strong man like Thorfin. He really overcame his societies view of men who need to be brutal and fight all the time. Olmar gets that true strength is enduring and not to fight, to stand up for your own believes even if it goes against what everyone else thinks. That this is what a real men is about.
Also that church-music that is playing as Thorfinn and Einar say goodbye to Olmar and Sverkel is absolutely beautiful! Captured my attention the first time I heard it and still does. And Thorfin at 20:36 sounds soooo young again, it was adorable. As if a lot of pressure finally lifted from his shoulders.
This poem you see at the end is indeed also at the very beginning of this season („Engrave it …“) and it is actually a poem from one of the Sagas that VinlandSaga is based on. You can search Philip Chase here on yt, he has a whole playlist „Discussion of Vinland Saga Book * with Merphy Napier“ and these two discuss many interesting aspects of this manga.
Mr. Chase actually studied old Norse history so he knows a damn lot and itś very interesting to see him drawing parallels and positioning out things you would have never recognized without background knowledge.
The only thing I found weird was that we see Thorfin and Einar stand on the ship at 19:00 just to have a flashback to like 10 minutes before. Why not just show this scene right away? That extra few seconds on the ship didn’t add anything. We see them waving again after they sail away
the king actually needs a true friend to talk with him even they wont see much more time。its so importent that there is a person not treat him as a king。
and this epsoild is he first know what friend is
What always struck me about this confrontation, even back when I read it in the manga, was just how little I was able to argue with Canute's (And King Sweyn's) logic.
Common sense would say "The people deserve an explanation for your actions as a leader" however King Sweyn makes a point. Canute is a shepherd and his people are sheep.
"How could the sheep understand the work of the Shepherd."
The shepherd raises and slaughter's sheep to feed his community, harvest their fur for clothing and sell them off to support himself. It's a brutally unfair system for the sheep but it's essential to the Shepherd's survival as well as his community. It's just an argument of "Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" and the answer to that question changes depending on what you value as a person. For a king, his values unfortunately need to be with the majority.
this ep was beautiful
I've read the manga and since season 3 has already been confirmed, imo it will be the best season yet. CRAZY things happen i can not wait!!!!
PEAKLAND SAGA
This was the best fake finale I've ever seen
It's great because the season finale is a catharsis for us to finally feel joy of reunion and to be excited for the next arc in the series.
this forgiveness christianity thing that focusses on charity is quite new.
by then they were more into the fear of god and final judgement