The Problem With D&D Video Games

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  • Опубліковано 2 сер 2023
  • Happy Launch day everyone!
    Baldur's Gate 3 looks to be the weirdest D&D game in ages - and that's a great thing! But for all it's polish, it's quality and it's embodiment of the 'soul' of D&D - BG3 will NOT save D&D video games.
    To explain why, we need to understand D&D games not as they are, but as they WERE before the first Baldur's Gate.
    We need to talk about the missing legacy of the Silver Box games.
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  • @hartthorn
    @hartthorn 10 місяців тому +80

    While watching this I had the best joking but not really joking suggestion: Imagine a city management sim in D&D for something like Waterdeep or Neverwinter. Just slapping the player with being on the OTHER side of adventurer shenanigans while trying to manage the needs of your citizens in this increasingly absurd world.
    Feel like it would work best with having advisors and agents who are entirely trope-savvy to really get at the humor. Like, getting told the advice of "Either you pick the cult or the cult picks you. There's no such thing as a city without a nefarious cult presence lurking in the shadows. So it's best to pick one that you can tolerate and let them think they're actually in control."

    • @StarshadowMelody
      @StarshadowMelody 10 місяців тому +9

      gdi I wanted to go "so what you're saying is, we need a D&D citybuilder" but like, here you are. Anyway the cult thing is funny, but I feel like we already have enough tounge-in-cheek within the "fantasy citybuilder" area.

    • @XenosImplyer
      @XenosImplyer 10 місяців тому +7

      I want one in the style of Majesty: The Fantasy Kingdom Sim.

    • @ErikWarhammer
      @ErikWarhammer 10 місяців тому +8

      There IS one... "D&D Stronghold: Kingdom Simulator".

    • @hartthorn
      @hartthorn 10 місяців тому +2

      @@ErikWarhammer Intrigue: Peaked.

    • @Zectifin
      @Zectifin 10 місяців тому

      that sounds great. Would love that.

  • @ShadowMage
    @ShadowMage 10 місяців тому +21

    A survival horror game set in Ravenloft would be cool as heck.

    • @jayocaine2946
      @jayocaine2946 2 місяці тому

      fantasy horror doesn't really work, we've already established that creatures and monsters in high fantasy are trophies to be slewn not to be scared of.

  • @ohuckabee
    @ohuckabee 10 місяців тому +35

    Spelljammer fleet management game. Melee-heavy old-school FPS. Another dragon flight sim but with slathered with so much doofy dialogue that people call it "Drake Combat" as a term of praise. A Dungeon Keeper tribute where you play as an evil artificer and conjure up a work force of specialized golems.

  • @williampalmer8052
    @williampalmer8052 10 місяців тому +6

    Forgotten Realms has been done to death, and does no justice to the huge range of possibilities available in the D&D game system. At this point (as someone who started playing long before Greenwood's fun park came along), I loathe everything about Faerun and its insipid menagerie of played-out tropes.

    • @Kriizikaan
      @Kriizikaan 10 місяців тому +1

      I'd love an Eberron or dragonlance game. With their own mechanics or constraints. Kinda like those Dark Sun games from long ago. Honestly forgotten realms is my least favorite setting in all of DnD

    • @GM_Darius
      @GM_Darius 10 місяців тому +1

      Hell, Eberron, Dragonlance, Dark Sun, Ravenloft --RAVENLOFT in particular! It's not just Barovia! They have so many different settings in those mists that focus on so many other kind of horror genres!! I've said before, but I'll happily say it again: It should rebrand off of being called "Forgotten Realms" cause it's all about people seem to remember anymore.

  • @DieJG
    @DieJG 10 місяців тому +8

    God, i love Slayers so much. Since the movies weren't announced yet, when i read the Lord of the Rings i tended to image everyone through the lenses of Slayers, like Aragorn looked like Zangulus and Merry sounded like a girl's name so Amelia was already covered.

  • @megad7060
    @megad7060 10 місяців тому +7

    Having not played a DnD game before BG2 and having only played CRPG adaptations of the license since, I was kind of lost on how having a mountain of weird and not so great games was *better* than the current situation. But I completely understood once you compared it to how the Warhammer license is handled.

  • @Sammo212
    @Sammo212 10 місяців тому +60

    I think I am in a minority here but the "druid has sex in bear form" bit sounds more like a TTRPG horror story/cringe than anything I really want to ever experience.

    • @HaplessOne
      @HaplessOne 10 місяців тому +17

      But it's funny cuz the squirrel dropped his nut.
      In all seriousness though at least it's purely optional, and mainly for those who have some weird druid fantasy or will find it funny. I think all rpgs should gave plenty of wacky options to explore.

    • @Cruddyhorse
      @Cruddyhorse 10 місяців тому +4

      That's true, but keep in mind lots of people look back and laugh about those kinds of things, I mean there's several successful channels here on UA-cam that only consist of reading them so there's enjoyment to be had from it. It's also entirely optional and you have to talk the Druid into it, it's not forced on you. It's good that the game embraces the absurd stuff that comes with D&D.

    • @Sammo212
      @Sammo212 10 місяців тому +11

      @@Cruddyhorse Sure, it not being forced is one reason why I don't actually freak out about it but I've seen lots of outlets tout this as something positive for D&D in general and I just don't get that at all. To each their own.

    • @Snyperwolf91
      @Snyperwolf91 10 місяців тому +10

      Tbh , fantasy-settings that are more serious and more grim are underepresented nowadays and should comeback .
      Settings like in the Elric of melnibone stories or conan the barbarian are to this days very beloved because it has a consistent tone and wonders/magic that are grand in its effect and mysterious because its not an often used art on itself which has more significance to it instead of settings where magic is in every corner which turns it into shallow Disney-land attractions . But this can only go well when the writing is good .
      And especially CRPGs should start getting more setting-focused instead being always character-focused .
      Sometimes characters dont need to be exhaustingly deep to give a great story because especially in videogames the player is in the forefront and should deepen his character through the settings and situations where the own character could change the outcome for himself and the world through his actions instead because the story said so .

    • @dr.strangelove9815
      @dr.strangelove9815 10 місяців тому +9

      @@Snyperwolf91 @Sammo212 I agree with both of you.
      The sexual frustration of some D&D players, insisting that D&D PC games need to accommodate their personal fetishes, is definitely off-putting, as most people just want to play an RPG. Sure, D&D can be "quirky", as a large minority like to parrot, but I think most people who play D&D are not looking for a venue to express their pint up issues in a group of other people experiencing their choices. Not everyone wants to "go down the rabbit hole" of the slippery slope, if a player does, whatever, that's their problem, but others should have a choice to optout, like BG3.
      I think Pathfinder, Rogue Trader, Warhammer Fantasy RPG, Dark Heresy, Dark Sun, Planescape and Ravenloft offer a more serious adventure to those who are interested. Base D&D though... unless you have a group of people who are really into the lore, it generally becomes a circus, especially with more people who've entered into the hobby from Stranger Things et al.

  • @ashwinnmyburgh9364
    @ashwinnmyburgh9364 10 місяців тому +27

    Absolutely love this channel. I adore the Forgotten Realms and absolutely agree that more varied DnD games would be amazing.

    • @kirbyjoe7484
      @kirbyjoe7484 10 місяців тому +1

      Sadly,, the old experimental era of D&D was probably lost forever the moment TSR was bought up by a larger corporation. The only reason we have a the shining example that is BG3 is because it was actually a smaller but high-quality independant studio known for its CRPGs that got its hands on the rights to make it. Had the rights ended up in the hands of EA, Ubisoft, or even Bethesda, then we would not be getting the masterpiece that was just released.

  • @RPGFort
    @RPGFort 10 місяців тому +8

    Great video dude. Great channel actually. You're doing good work reviewing all of these old D&D games. I'd love to see you do a video on Warriors of the Eternal Sun for the Genesis. It's a weird, janky, huge, messy, fun, frustrating game that I love but I'd love to see you take it to task. Cheers, keep up the good work!

  • @alderic
    @alderic 10 місяців тому +6

    Amazing video and the chart looks fantastic!
    I played a lot of Birthright and Blood & Magic (my version of Blood & Magic even came with a short novel, which I think was meant to be part of trilogy books). There was also a City Builder, based on D&D (for some weird reason it as not AD&D, but the old edition), called Stronghold (1993, SSI).

  • @Sprinkknot
    @Sprinkknot 10 місяців тому +25

    100%. Those niche, B-tier games are where I increasingly find games that I love and play repeatedly. I'm excited for BG3 since CRPGs are one of my favorite genres, but I'd love it if there were ten cheap, swing and a miss games, if it produces one home run. Even those games I don't like are something someone else likely adores.

    • @Zectifin
      @Zectifin 10 місяців тому

      they should take the games workshop approach and just let anyone make anything. we've definitely gotten a bunch of shit games, but also a bunch of cool ones that are out of left field. like vermintide/darktide. what if we had a DND coop horde melee/shooter (it works with bows/guns/magic in vermintide)

  • @annabella1650
    @annabella1650 10 місяців тому +3

    I honestly love BG3...but I’d like a game where you have to play the DM.
    You’ve got an adventuring party and your job is to plan dungeons, keep them on course and try to keep the villains alive long enough to reach the grand finale. A bit like Dungeon Keeper, but you’re trying to strike the balance of challenge and entertainment.

  • @planescaped
    @planescaped 10 місяців тому +6

    A D&D grand strategy game set in Faerun sounds amazing.
    Why doesn't this exist?

    • @ashwinnmyburgh9364
      @ashwinnmyburgh9364 10 місяців тому +1

      I know, right!? Imagine Total War, or Crusader Kings but set in Faerun! That would be so amazing.

    • @dropkickpiper3204
      @dropkickpiper3204 9 місяців тому

      @@ashwinnmyburgh9364I'm pretty sure there was a Medieval 2 Total War Forgotten Realms mod in the olden days. No idea if it's still out there or not.

    • @microwaveenthusiast7410
      @microwaveenthusiast7410 7 місяців тому

      @@ashwinnmyburgh9364there’s already a crusader kings 2 mod set in Forgotten realms lol.

  • @TheBayzent
    @TheBayzent 10 місяців тому +5

    3:52 Hell, if you manage to find any place where you can get a Birthright copy that works on Win10 without constsntly crashing, you'll be my personal Bahamut.

    • @Demiurge13
      @Demiurge13 10 місяців тому +2

      I was gonna say this exact same thing.

  • @sinisterdesign
    @sinisterdesign 10 місяців тому +7

    Interesting video. I'm not sure it works to compare the D&D and Warhammer 40K properties directly like that, though. WH40K just has *way* more strange and imaginative setting details to use in mechanically-unrelated genre spin-offs than most of the D&D settings do.
    Every one of those genre-bending video games you mentioned, I sat and thought to myself: "Does this need to be in an officially licensed D&D universe to work?" And each time, the answer was "absolutely not." Tbh, the only D&D settings unusual enough that they aren't closely reproducible through generic fantasy scenes a faire (e.g. Planescape, Dark Sun) are simultaneously so unpopular that I have to question whether it would be worth the cost to license them from a business perspective.

  • @johnyf.q.8043
    @johnyf.q.8043 10 місяців тому +19

    Neverwinter Nights was a game changer in the RPG market for its engine alone! Moreover, Planescape: Torment (Running on Baldur's Gate Infinity Engine) was as out of the box as one can get! D&D has been fine because its older late 90's to early 00's games have tons of replayability. Honestly, the big tragedy in RPG video games is the fact that Warhammer fantasy roleplay never got a game made based on its rules and setting, D&D has been, on average, very good since the mid 80's! In direct opposition to your point: It's an RPG property, it's supposed to follow that line, in fact every time they tried to venture away from it, it has yielded mediocre to unremarkable experiences with the exception of the sidescroller games from Capcom.

    • @StarshadowMelody
      @StarshadowMelody 10 місяців тому +1

      good thing total warhammer revived warhammer fantasy so there's slightly more of a chance now

    • @joearnold6881
      @joearnold6881 10 місяців тому +2

      Absolutely. I totally disagree with this video.
      You don’t need a pile of bad shovelware just because you might find a gem in there.
      Good B-tier games don’t only come out of piles of trash.
      Mechanicus doesn’t exist because a bunch of bad warhammer games exist.
      More often the pile of shovelware hurts peoples’ view of the license until you stop getting hardly any games in it at all, let alone high quality ones.

    • @autographedcat
      @autographedcat 10 місяців тому

      Warhammer Fantasy did get one game. It was...sadly, pretty terrible. (In my opinion. I remembrer writing a very cranky Livejournal review of it at the time)

    • @johnyf.q.8043
      @johnyf.q.8043 10 місяців тому

      @@autographedcat Warhammer Fantasy RPG, it shares the universe with fantasy battles but has its own ruleset appropriate for an RPG (D100 system) and a whole different flavor. I don't know any RPG game using any of the rulesets for WFRPG.

    • @autographedcat
      @autographedcat 10 місяців тому +1

      @@johnyf.q.8043 ah. I may have misunderstood then.

  • @autographedcat
    @autographedcat 10 місяців тому +3

    You won't get it, though. Too many people are paying attention, and Hasbro/WotC aren't nearly *desperate* enough to go wild. TSR in the early 90s would have given you and me a license if we offered them $20 and promised not to do anything that would embarass them. And then they'd cash the $20 check and never look to see whether we kep thte promise.
    Best bet is probablly to look for indie games that are taking the basic concept of a D&D like TTRPG, filing the serial numbers off so they don't get sued, and then hyping the heck out of them in the hopes that one of them breaks out and someone makes a higher-budget version of it.

  • @Modern_Robot
    @Modern_Robot 10 місяців тому +10

    Agreed, Baldur's Gate 3 will be the best possible version of that kind of D&D video game, but as you've shown, why not a D&D flight sim, or something out of the ordinary? 40k is really throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks in terms of expanding what you can do with the brand.

  • @Grimbop
    @Grimbop 10 місяців тому +2

    To be fair Mandalore wont come out with a video on BG3 for like the next 2 years, im sure Mortismal is already uploading his somehow though.

  • @velwein
    @velwein 9 місяців тому +2

    I agree with some points, I wouldn't mind seeing more D&D games. I'd also love for instance a Bethesda style Drow focused game, where you're having to navigate the politics of the game on your own.
    I disagree on the impact BG3 has, though I have the benefit of hindsight now that it's out, and we've seen the massive impact and numbers of it being played.
    BG3 has become a true successor to the originals with its level of success, BG1 (and from its lineage of Gold Box Games) has shaped Western RPGs for decades. I suspect, that BG3 will do the same again.
    I'm hoping to see more games made with the BG3 engine, I do agree with Swen, making content past lvl 12 is 5E is just a pain. It's not even good in the tabletop, and it's why Wizards has released so few modules that go that high. What few we've gotten, tend to be subpar dungeon crawls that become rather tedious.

  • @tutompop
    @tutompop 8 місяців тому

    Oh you mad man! You made rethink warhammers licensing to all the things.
    Now I need to make a rimworld esque colony game set around the collapse of the golden age where humans face off against indigenous Xenos and possibly raiding alien infestations while trying to survive or thrive using standard template constructs, golden age technology and psychers.

  • @morikf1691
    @morikf1691 10 місяців тому +2

    I need a survival hex crawler set In Athas.
    I then need a telltale murder mystery game set in Ravenloft.
    I then need a first person magical adventure game set in Zakhara with plenty of flying carpet riding.
    Finally I want a railroad tycoon game with resources management and politics in Eberron.
    I’m cool like that.

  • @snakes3425
    @snakes3425 3 місяці тому +1

    An open-world Skyrim esq game set in Kyrnn or Ravenloft is something I would enjoy.

    • @KS-PNW
      @KS-PNW 3 місяці тому

      Absolutely!

  • @cpunching
    @cpunching 5 місяців тому

    I'm more than happy to wait for more indepth stuff from you compared to mandaloregaming and his weird callout on vinesauce.

  • @Rexcarsalot
    @Rexcarsalot 10 місяців тому +1

    I just want a new Dark Sun game so bad.

  • @falselogic
    @falselogic 10 місяців тому +1

    Where can I find the flowchart that is referenced multiple times in this video? I'd love to look at it in its entirety? Or is it a private resource?

    • @WilliamSRD
      @WilliamSRD  10 місяців тому +2

      Hey! I made it for the video. I'll post it on my Twitter tonight. Fair warning though, it's not a fully complete timeline as I mainly included titles that were relevant to the video. There are a pair of MMOS and 2 other isometric CRPGS that aren't on the chart

    • @falselogic
      @falselogic 10 місяців тому

      @@WilliamSRD Thank you so much! It is appreciated.

  • @LegalKimchi
    @LegalKimchi 10 місяців тому +1

    i Agree, those sound like great fun

  • @marccram6584
    @marccram6584 10 місяців тому

    I was a writer on the Eye of the Beholder series and DragonStrike.

  • @fearjunkie
    @fearjunkie 10 місяців тому +1

    NGL, a Resident Evil style game set in Ravenloft would KICK ASS.

    • @GM_Darius
      @GM_Darius 10 місяців тому

      Base it out of Lymordia and you'd be right on the rails for that!

  • @Demiurge13
    @Demiurge13 10 місяців тому +1

    never heard of birthright before now, and you know what? That looks dope. Sure, it's old but it doesn't look bad and dnd crusader kings? hell ya

  • @MrCanceleo
    @MrCanceleo 10 місяців тому

    An Underdark Dishonored game sounds like a wish a genie would grant as a favor

  • @StarshadowMelody
    @StarshadowMelody 10 місяців тому +1

    "SURVIVAL HORROR RAVENLOFT-"
    _Where souls, where dreams the sands do keep, our dead speak of my blessed son_
    _Shrouded in dark and endless sleep, in vaults lost near the rising sun_
    _Sweet sounds, my child played, before the ancient pharoah king_
    _In innocence and ages past, when all life great Ra did bring_
    _Yet Ra of Light, one heart denied, our pharoah's will grown grim and cold_
    _Thief of Life, he tried to steal endless life from the god's hold_
    _So many died, so few survived, in lands lost to the Mummy King_
    _My son and others lost their lives, where in sorrow no voices sing_
    _Tekhen my son, in darkness lies, in vaults lost near the rising sun_
    _Lo beneath the giant's eyes, Tekhen's music forever done_
    _Age after age, the statue stands, unmoving bound fast with shame_
    _There above our restless sands, awaiting my sweet son's name_

    • @StarshadowMelody
      @StarshadowMelody 10 місяців тому

      ... unrelated but god I hate Baldur's Gate 3 marketing itself as Baldur's Gate _Three_ when it has nothing to f*ckin' do with the Bhaalspawn. **grumbles** Call it Baldur's Gate Illithid or something.

    • @Kriizikaan
      @Kriizikaan 10 місяців тому

      @@StarshadowMelody maybe you should play the game. Because bhaal and his spawn are pretty important.

  • @Arcboltkonrad13
    @Arcboltkonrad13 10 місяців тому +2

    HUNTER THE RECKONING FOR THE GAMECUBE YES YES YES

  • @KS-PNW
    @KS-PNW 3 місяці тому

    Creative Assembly has said they're looking at possibly doing additional fantasy total war titles. I REALLY hope we get a DnD one.
    It's a long shot but how awesome would Dark Sun Total War be? Playing as one of the sorcerer Kings or a preserver? I feel like that could be AMAZING !

  • @Seer_Xaeo
    @Seer_Xaeo 10 місяців тому

    chronicles of mystara still to this day is my favourite beat-em-up

  • @samaranthae9671
    @samaranthae9671 10 місяців тому

    i want that chart. where can i get the chart you used

  • @Dexter037S4
    @Dexter037S4 2 місяці тому

    Petroglyph are out there y'know
    Spelljammer: Empire At War

  • @elowin1691
    @elowin1691 10 місяців тому +1

    Gimme HUNTER THE RECKONING baybee
    its basically Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance but with a thin veneer of being set in the World of Darkness, very silly times

  • @GodzillasaurusJr
    @GodzillasaurusJr 10 місяців тому +1

    I think BG3 is pretty awful, but other than that I guess I agree with you. A Facebook/Mobile Dark Sun business sim where you trade slaves, wine and iron, or an ambitious open world game like Cyberpunk 2077, Saints Row or Grand Theft Auto, only set in flying Serraine would be cool. SEGA Rally, but with Goblin Wolf riders, and between races you have to raid for resources.
    Defender of the Crown! Ah, no, that already exists... But maybe if we updated the mechanics of it and added magic users and assassins, it would be different enough to be interesting.

  • @GM_Darius
    @GM_Darius 10 місяців тому

    Honestly, I love those B-Tier ideas that come out of no where. I've not been in the TTRPG pool until around 2005 during 3.5, and getting into the other wierd, awesome games was a hecking TREASURE. 4 player hack n' slash arcade, the RTS based in Eberron, the REALLY bad fighting game based in Ravenloft, just so many wierd titles. That's where I think Paizo's Pathfinder is really damned great with what they're doing. They have the massive CRPGs, sure, but they also have a Survivors and Diablolike Hack n' Slash coming out too! Like they say in Lords of Magick, variety is the spice of life. i look forward to playing BG3 with a friend, but I'm just not that into massive 80+ hour CRPG again.
    Also, holy heck, yes, please talk about the Hunter: The Reckoning games. Those were a blast and the closest thing I ever had to a positive World of Darkness experience.

  • @013wolfwarrior
    @013wolfwarrior 10 місяців тому

    If we'd get a daro messiah set in dnd Id be happy

  • @Merlynn132
    @Merlynn132 10 місяців тому +1

    It doesn't matter if it's weird,so long as it's good.

  • @Lcirex
    @Lcirex 10 місяців тому

    I await your The Dark Eye and Pathfinder video game vids once you get the D&D backlog taken care of.

  • @CircleOfTheSeptagram
    @CircleOfTheSeptagram 6 місяців тому

    What's the game at 3:05?
    Can you put a list of games featured somewhere in your vids or description?

  • @Zectifin
    @Zectifin 10 місяців тому

    would love you to do a video on hunter reckoning for Halloween. I played that game ages ago with my friends and didn't realize it was a world of darkness game (because I had no idea what that was) until years later when I played bloodlines and started looking up the world of darkness when I was bored, eventually learning it was a take on the hunter game, with almost nothing to do with it. Still fun (Except that one boss that was basically unbeatable).

  • @chrisdiokno5600
    @chrisdiokno5600 9 місяців тому

    I remember my first D&D game was a Diablo esque RPG for the Xbox

  • @bodyrumuae2914
    @bodyrumuae2914 8 місяців тому

    What's that I see in the chart? Westwood Studios? I want it.

  • @ErikWarhammer
    @ErikWarhammer 10 місяців тому

    I've been looking for "Birthright - The Gorgon's Alliance", thank you for reminding me of its name!
    ...Now if only GoG sold it...

  • @destroso
    @destroso 5 місяців тому

    2:42 I loved playing this game as a kid! What’s the name of it?

  • @jamiesnow8190
    @jamiesnow8190 10 місяців тому

    Thanks for the content!

  • @chrisdiokno5600
    @chrisdiokno5600 9 місяців тому

    For Halloween, I'd like to see either Werewolf the Apocalypse Earthblood, or maybe a look at one of the VNs

  • @mcgahey82
    @mcgahey82 8 місяців тому

    I never see anything about Gateway to the Savage Frontier, my introduction to DnD, any plans for that one?

  • @dextrodemon
    @dextrodemon 10 місяців тому +2

    i dont know about that. fun video but i think it's probably the right thing now to focus on the core 'dungeons and dragons' experience, the "as seen in stranger things" d&d that baldur's gate 3 is doing. the IP is very very big, too big to start of scattering the focus to the four winds right off the bat. i'm sure your weird games will come, just in a few years, if wotc's current push to monetize d&d a lot more works out that is.

  • @anthonyambrose7830
    @anthonyambrose7830 10 місяців тому

    The Dragonborn pepe in character customization caught me off guard

  • @disasterqueer
    @disasterqueer 10 місяців тому

    Clearly, what we really need is Descent to Undermountain 2.

  • @DerRotSpassvogel
    @DerRotSpassvogel 10 місяців тому +1

    3:03 WILLIAM!

    • @WilliamSRD
      @WilliamSRD  10 місяців тому +2

      WWIIIIIILLLLIIAAAAAAMMMMMMM

  • @Jidarious
    @Jidarious 10 місяців тому

    Wait, what was that anime looking thing at the beginning? I don't mean the western 80s cartoon, we all know what that is, but the one after.

  • @AFnord
    @AFnord 10 місяців тому

    I never knew there was a Wraith game. Colour me interested in hearing more about that one for when you cover a WoD game (and heck, I would be interested in hearing more about other WoD games as well)

  • @snakeplissken111
    @snakeplissken111 7 місяців тому

    Re: Variety or lack thereof. To be fair, there haven't been that many games since, hugely likely also due to licensing issues, considering how long it took for BG3.... What SSI put out was just massive in terms of quantity.
    HOWEVER: If you take a look, the games that DID come out, they were all from either the same developer, or those immediately connected. For instance, Obsidian's NWN2, well they basically used to be Black Isle, back then also directly linked to Bioware, which in turn provided the engine for Icewind Dale... you get the idea.
    Whereas Eye Of The Beholder or the Ravenloft games may have been published by SSI. But where all from different developers to begin with. Also damn, it's been 20 years since Bloodlines and THIRTY Years since anything Ravenloft. That marks three decades with no major gothic/horror RPG whatsoever, D&D or otherwise.
    Absolutely bonkers. (The 2nd act of BG3 is really nice and just reminded me again recently, sigh).

  • @kylehalpern6695
    @kylehalpern6695 10 місяців тому +1

    I get the take. But baldurs gate 3 is what I want out of the brand. Not 3rd person action games or flight sims. I play dnd because I want more of DNDs gameplay. So I think this focus is good

  • @jasonsaddison
    @jasonsaddison 10 місяців тому

    Halloween related: There aren't a ton of reviews for the Wraith Game so imma put a word in for it.

  • @mercaius
    @mercaius 10 місяців тому +4

    I do agree that too many people only see D&D for the system to be emulated, and not enough see the very unique worldbuilding around its settings that can be explored in other shapes.

  • @geberlan
    @geberlan 10 місяців тому +1

    It's not gonna EVER happen but we all wish my man... OR they can just give us Neverwinter Nights 3!? :D

    • @dropkickpiper3204
      @dropkickpiper3204 9 місяців тому +1

      Don't give me hope.

    • @geberlan
      @geberlan 9 місяців тому +1

      @@dropkickpiper3204 I'm sorry man, my bad...

  • @yellowtheyellow
    @yellowtheyellow 2 місяці тому

    Its a shame 4e never really got a crpg. Im glad 5e has one now though.

  • @herpderp9774
    @herpderp9774 10 місяців тому +3

    It would be great to see truly different settings with incredibly thought provoking conversations and ideas like Planescape Torment again as well and obviously more mad max Darksun too!

  • @blissband3601
    @blissband3601 6 місяців тому

    Id love a modern 5e dungeon hack

  • @idnyftw
    @idnyftw 10 місяців тому

    d&d fighting game where everyone comes from the different campaign settings

  • @lendrigangames
    @lendrigangames 10 місяців тому

    Heads up on Blood & Magic: it's disappointingly bare-bones. Spamming resource generators and then top-tier units will win every battle against the computer.

  • @Doshirrosden
    @Doshirrosden 10 місяців тому

    Thank you so much for saying all of this, I couldn’t agree more.

  • @Zectifin
    @Zectifin 10 місяців тому

    I think a cool non CRPG take on dungeons and dragons would be to copy remnant. like good dark souls style combat. exchange guns for bow and magic. instead of a set kinda story, use the random generation of the worlds of remant and instead they are "adventures" that you go on that culminate in the ending of a campaign, and you can roll individual adventures. Remnant has somewhat randomized worlds and the bosses have a couple different loot. DND could make the stuff more randomized since there is a sense of progression of the weapons, or they could keep remnants upgrade weapons and keep them forever system. Would work great for DND. its literally just taking X melee or gun and giving it a +1, +2, etc. already do that in DND. just have an enchanter that upgrades your weapons and have some kind a way to upgrade your magic spells. remnant 2 has a dual class type system and that would work amazingly well with DnD. just pick a class at start and at some point you can get a second. friends can join whenever they want.

  • @TheMandalp
    @TheMandalp 10 місяців тому +1

    i fully agree let dnd try oug things. like a hitmen style game.a citybuilder. or why not giving me date sim. embrace the sillyniss

    • @GM_Darius
      @GM_Darius 10 місяців тому

      Hell, you'd think they'd have some sort of Mage's Guild based dating sim. Could have tied into that Stryxhaven book they released.
      Disclaimer: I've not so much as looked into Stryxhaven cause I think the Wizard class gets enought attention as it is. I just remember it being described as "Like HP, but D&D!" and going "I'm out."

  • @nifftbatuff676
    @nifftbatuff676 9 місяців тому

    We need more Planescape games.

  • @2HeadedHero
    @2HeadedHero 10 місяців тому +1

    Yoooo lemme get a new Dark Sun or Spelljammer game, just sayin'

  • @LarsOfTheMohicans
    @LarsOfTheMohicans 10 місяців тому

    The reason why your vision is bound to fail is because it would produce more iterations of Daggerdale and Idle Champions of the Forgotten Realms. Those aren't good for business, they don't sell and produce bad press. The spirit of the Silver Box games might've been a product of its time, much like the Mortal Kombat knockoff games that everyone has forgotten about. In spite of my sheer disgust for WotC/Hasbro, I can understand their strategy of being very nitpicky to what studios they allow their IP rights

  • @boi9842
    @boi9842 10 місяців тому +3

    i don't know, DnD is pretty generic fantasy, probably the most generic, it's not a bad thing, it was intentional to make the setting as broad as possible, like a fantasy sandbox. But really there are hundred of fantasy games in every genre, in different gameplay styles and all, with a setting not much different than what you would see in DnD, and then there others with a more unique setting as well. Btw, have you tried Dark Messiah of Might & Magic, it's a first person action game with fluid and dynamic combat system, could easily pass as a DnD game, same with its cousin Heroes of Might and Magic 3, a strategy game sharing 95% of DnD DNA.

    • @yellowtheyellow
      @yellowtheyellow 2 місяці тому

      Those other games don't have beholders, illithids, displacer beasts, and all of the dope named characters of dnd, though. There's plenty unique about the various official dnd settings.

    • @boi9842
      @boi9842 2 місяці тому

      @@yellowtheyellow Heroes of Might and Magic 3 have a Beholder like monster called Evil Eye.

  • @jesfest
    @jesfest 10 місяців тому

    This is funny for reasons you might not know, but, "like Pathfinder?"
    Pathfinder has a bullet heaven game coming called gallowspire survivors, and they are also coming out with an arpg called abomination vaults. That's all on top of two great crpgs, too.
    The reason this is funny to me, is because there were a ton of 5e videos where people were complaining about 5e mechanics, balance, what have you.
    The point is, many, many people were suggesting Pathfinder as the bandaid solution to the problem, enough that there was some pushback, anyway.
    It's pretty funny how it's still happening across different formats now too.
    Maybe give those games a shot when they come out. Could be some interesting videos.

    • @yellowtheyellow
      @yellowtheyellow 2 місяці тому

      I just wish there was a crpg based on Pathfinder 2e, honestly

  • @SaturmornCarvilli
    @SaturmornCarvilli 10 місяців тому +1

    I'm always wary of IP licensed games. Because a good game probably doesn't have to attach itself to a 3rd party IP that can become an albatross. More often than not, they're cash grabs using the name to hook fans that wouldn't buy it without the name.
    The prime reason 40k has all those lesser titles is the developers bought the IP license to better sell a bad game. Sure, there are a few games in there made by developers with a love of the setting. Space Hulk: Deathwing was clearly one of them. And even that I think befitted more by have the 40k IP than being part of the developer's semi-knockoff setting of E.Y.E.: Divine Cybermancy. But sure, there are a few decent games based on 40k. Even those, benefitted from the IP more than innovated or improved the game genre they were. My favorite is Space Marine, but it's semi-accurate to just call it a Gears of War clone. And push-come-to-shove, I think Gears of War did it better.
    I also think Sci-Fi inherently benefits more from an established setting. Since, the genre's conventions are nearly as concrete as fantasy has become. And D&D is one of the major pillars of the solidification of generic fantasy genre conventions/tropes.
    I honestly can't think of any benefit of spending money on the D&D IP if my fantasy game is halfway decent. The IP elements are either basically public domain at this point or so niche (such as owlbears) that they can't be dropped with little effect. And as someone that played a lot of D&D decades ago, but has been out for a long while; I don't see much gained in the D&D specific settings to what is lost in paying for the IP and being beholden to WotC for approval. It's easier, cheaper and safer to create your own fantasy setting whole cloth than get involved with anything D&D specific. Pathfinder did just that in direct competition with D&D in TTRPGs. I think it gets worse moving into video games.
    Unless your game isn't likely to be good or popular, and you just want the D&D name on the tin to tap into the fan base that wouldn't otherwise spend money on it, I just don't see the benefit of acquiring the D&D name these days.

  • @Edrobot7
    @Edrobot7 10 місяців тому

    I want Iron and Blood 2, except it's made by Capcom or Bandai-Namco; a ravenloft fighting game where the dark powers have decided in their ineffable mystery something something darkness something something fighting tournament.

  • @nathannavarro1177
    @nathannavarro1177 10 місяців тому

    awesome video

  • @jashloseher578
    @jashloseher578 10 місяців тому

    Spitting mad facts, man.

  • @THESLICKNESSEDM
    @THESLICKNESSEDM 10 місяців тому

    Looks pretty good to me and is selling fast and comes out of PS5 in September I’m sure it’s gonna do fine might even get a goty nomination

  • @stormsurge2103
    @stormsurge2103 10 місяців тому

    Am I the only one who wants to dogfight a Pherexian power-armoured Nichol Bolas using a modded Spelljammer?

  • @teapotdome
    @teapotdome 10 місяців тому

    i played death knights of krynn for ages back in the day.

  • @CanonThought
    @CanonThought 3 місяці тому

    Hear me out... Curse of Strahd, done as a point and click adventure story game

  • @DarkwyndPT
    @DarkwyndPT 10 місяців тому +1

    I agree with this video but I remember the failure that was the most recent Dark Alliance game. And Idle Champions of the Forgotten realms is more of a niche title.

  • @lunatantric6060
    @lunatantric6060 10 місяців тому +1

    SLAYERS REFERENCE T HANK YOU!!!!

  • @mementomori771
    @mementomori771 10 місяців тому

    A video on hunter the reckoning could be cool game had neet ideas for but lacked the execution imo

  • @JimPanzeeEsq
    @JimPanzeeEsq 10 місяців тому

    I really liked this video, I agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly. I love 40K Inquisitor and Warhammer Chaosbane and what you're saying here makes me really want a Diablo clone set in the D&D universe.
    But what's with the title, man? D&D videogames need saving? Too much hyperbole for my tastes.
    Keep up the good work 😊

  • @level9drow856
    @level9drow856 10 місяців тому

    Screw Hasbro/Wizards of the Coast, imagine a Shadow Dark videogame.

  • @Akuretarie
    @Akuretarie 10 місяців тому

    The reason why BG3 is spot on when it come to humour and ambiance, it's because Larian made games this way for decades.

  • @joearnold6881
    @joearnold6881 10 місяців тому +5

    I’d far, far rather they put all their effort into making great crpgs, a genre that needs all the support it can get, than them using the license to make random platformers or whatever, but go off.

  • @danielcornwall1585
    @danielcornwall1585 10 місяців тому

    Looking forward to you covering the Birthright video game and you not being able to cross that border.

  • @WorentFelix
    @WorentFelix 5 місяців тому

    Wait the Moment, Slayer Anime is part D&D franchises?
    IDK... But like you i prefer have a refer new sequel of Dark Sun series that's anothers D&D universe, I'm not a big fan, but believe me, I need to know more about the world of Dark Sun than another D&D game, apart from the fact that it has the content like Connan, and more dark edgy atmosphere and it had an interesting lore even though it only had 2 games, and the obsidian and daggers are the most powerful weapons in that world.

  • @CallMeDean97
    @CallMeDean97 10 місяців тому +4

    I'd like to see a D&D action RPG in the style of Dragon's Dogma. Anyone ever heard of that game?

    • @Snyperwolf91
      @Snyperwolf91 10 місяців тому

      Yeah . A sequel is coming too. Best caocom game nowadays.

    • @communistcomputergod6449
      @communistcomputergod6449 8 місяців тому +1

      Dragons Dogma was great. Hope the sequel delivers

  • @Drakon0Blade
    @Drakon0Blade 10 місяців тому

    I vote for Hunter The Reckoning for Halloween, dear lord was it a jank fest yet it was a fun one for me and a few friends.
    BTW D&D Blood & Magic was apparently so memorable that someone remade it in a modded map for Warcraft 3, only one map was made but it works for up to 6 players.

  • @Grambo58
    @Grambo58 10 місяців тому

    Preach!

  • @octosalias5785
    @octosalias5785 10 місяців тому

    Because of the failed mmos and assorted games that fumbled I didnt even look at this game...until I found out its Divinity engine using 5E. I am hoping at least that anyone copying it will improve their own releases

  • @gamersinger5118
    @gamersinger5118 5 місяців тому +7

    I'm sorry but we are talking about BG3? polish? That is the exact opposite of what I got when I played the game after several patches. It is a buggy, glitchy, unfinished mess and it doesn't seem to be just me either. and quality? That made me laugh. BG2 was quality. Disco Elysium was quality. This game is more quantity than anything.

  • @johneman9553
    @johneman9553 10 місяців тому +6

    Think I'm one of the few people not really looking forward to BG3; just like its trying to do too much.

    • @Snyperwolf91
      @Snyperwolf91 10 місяців тому +2

      True . Im not into BG3 either because 3 reasons :
      1. Forgotten realms (BORING!)
      2. While the game is full of content, its still locked into this rather lame Mindflayer mainplot instead giving a huge world with many different mainplots that can end up into very different Endings on each mainplot .
      3. Its way too wacky and the "romantic" stuff is right now waaaay too much that it turns into a dating-sim that is made as CRPG.
      The Bear-thing is maybe overblown but for me its just the icing on a full pass . Im here for badass sword&Sorcery adventures and not for a overwacky Marvel Avengers in fantasy land.

    • @yellowtheyellow
      @yellowtheyellow 2 місяці тому

      ​@@Snyperwolf91larian studios focuses on all of the best parts of the setting, honestly.

  • @g4manhere553
    @g4manhere553 10 місяців тому +3

    As someone who started with 4e, I’ve always been devastated that the game everyone calls video-gamey didn’t get an adaptation that looked and played like XCOM. Let me play a tactics game where I run an adventurer’s guild and save the world.

    • @GM_Darius
      @GM_Darius 10 місяців тому

      Shit, 4E would have been PERFECT for a X-Com like adaptation! And the only game we got out of it was, what, Daggerdale?