'Jordan Peterson, censorship and the left', with novelist Tim Lott
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Tim Lott was the first mainstream UK journalist to profile Jordan Peterson, in the Spectator magazine. A novelist and storyteller, he also describes himself as an 'old lefty'.
In this, he discusses with Rebel Wisdom's David Fuller how the 'left' has changed in his lifetime - what the current left could learn from Jordan Peterson's thought, and the effect that a new ideological thinking is having on art and literature.
Tim's Spectator piece about Jordan Peterson: life.spectator...
Tim's brilliant novel, 'The Scent of Dried Roses': www.amazon.co....
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I am grateful that Jordan Pererson's involvement with regard to Bill C16 occurred and it was this political involvement that drew my attention to him. I love all of his lectures and have purchased his books and watched his lectures. Peterson is neither alt-right or all-left. I have been worried about the issue of identity politics and the harm it does to our democratic values for some time but could not articulate clearly the reasons why until I discovered Peterson. I have been a staunch atheist most of my life and still am but his lectures on the Biblical stories are brilliant as they draw from literature, psychology, art, history, politics, philosophy and more thus opening my mind and rejuvenating my desire to learn more. At 72 I am going back to school in a way, using the best of the You Tube vehicle for disseminating these inspiring lectures and debates.
Well, that was an excellent conversation. Thanks to you both, really glad I've found Rebel Wisdom.
"You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me."
-- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Thank you. That was a great conversation. It's so exciting that many people all over the world are thinking as individuals about the things Jordan Peterson is saying. It's so great to be a part of these troubling but, at the same, time hopeful times.
Listen. Get this Tim Lott to do more. He thinks as he speaks just like Peterson. He could catch the same wave Peterson did. We need more people speaking out. Collab with him. Tell Tim to take on the establishment in this reasoned way.
Phillip Rowe - Check out the interview Tim did with Peterson. I think there are a bunch of short clips on UA-cam. Probably Peterson’s channel.
Echo the last comment...what a wonderful warm humble moving interview . I love this channel so much. There IS hope with great people like you guys around. keep it up. Its important work you are doing.
Thank you so very much for getting such amazing information like this out there for all to hear!!
I've enjoyed Tim Lott's column for many years (until it ended), super insightful guy. First time I've heard him talk - excellent.
Fantastic interview, thank-you for posting. This guy's a confident thinker. Old lefties still have something to say, it seems!
The working class has lost any support from mainstream media and politicians, it's a very bad situation and a quite dangerous one in the long-term. Peterson is currently the greatest voice for the working class. Much needed indeed
Outstanding interview. Rebel Wisdom, Dr Peterson and Tim Lott need much more exposure to mainstream peoples. So utterly fatigued of being force fed by polarized media sources (Right and Left). Refreshing and spot on.
Excellent interview!
Absolutely brilliant interview, Mr. Lott very perceptive in his assessment of Peterson. Just curious why it is unlisted.
What do you mean "unlisted" - that it is not shown when you put the title into the UA-cam search box? (I just tried that and it did turn up there.)
It was unlisted by mistake - now live!
Jordan rejected the role of a victim
The victim is a poor creature, not even cause of being a victim, more of seeing itself as victim which sucks down, sucks out, sucks out our self-respect, self responsibility, dignity and wholeness. And the declarers of victims sucks the victim down-and-out by feeling as non victim, as superior, by looking down, by not being dependent and above the on the ground laying victim, by posing the humanist, hence a real humanist helps and supports the victim to shoulder the burden, to get friend with the burden, which is part of the victim anyway, to get strong by carrying the burden, so the burden is not as heavy anymore, and the victim becomes a hero broadly accepted and cherished by all not seeing the victim but the hero, the role model for all, who reject the poisonous offer of victim hood. JBP is a deep thinker and a deep diver, bringing up the essences of meaning, and he is one, together with his daughter, who rejected the role of a victim, carrying his darkest moments of depression, becoming a hero in knowing and acting.
@@j.h252 I get what you're saying. Life works in the positive. Even if one IS a victim, there's no benefit to playing the victim. Stand up. Set an example, rather than letting others make you an example of something you don't wish to be. Responsibility is a way of life...of living positively.
There's a strange logic on the far left. It says that if you're neither a victim nor someone "helping" victims, you must indeed be a victimizer. There is no allowance for life.
Great interview. Never read Mr. Lott's books, but must look them up.
I was born and brought up in the Soviet Union, in an occupied Baltic State. To me the similarities between the post-modernist/neo-marxist developments in the West and what was the order of the day in the Soviet Union in the 1970-80s are chilling indeed. And the episode about the betrayal by the Western artists reminds so much of how the artists in the Soviet Union engaged in collaboration with the totalitarian authorities - now they write memoirs and try to wash themselves clean. The former 'Eastern Block' has not forgotten anything. Those born in the Soviet Union or the Warsaw Pact countries in the 1945-1960s could tell the post-modernists a lot. And it's not the Soviets who got the marxist ideas wrong (according to Chomsky and others), it's the nature of these ideas that make you shudder.
I follow this true Renaissance of common sense, the debates among the conscientious intellectuals, left and right, I follow the channels like Rebel Wisdom and I dare to believe that more and more poeple will join in the discussion.
God bless you all, atheists an believers :) , in the search of truth.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment Loreta. We love the phrase 'renaissance of common sense' - can we borrow it?
@@RebelWisdom Definitely! I'll be honoured! 😊
Great chat.
Out of all of your interviews, I think this one is the most impressive and illuminating. Keep up the good work!
Wonderful discussion. Seems these are real issues for a lot of people.
I would disagree with one thing, responsibility is very important today for the youth. They are not being taught personal responsibility,and that message has proven to ring the truest with young men in particular! Intense personal responsibility is the first step to shedding the baggage of victimhood that is so prevalent today with young people. Stop blaming outward and look instead inward.Stop making excuses for your short comings and take personal responsibility for your current situation. Jordan says Clean up your room!,that's a great place to start, next move on to committing to something worthwhile and see it through!...And you are on your way!
Black Knight Fool, Different definition of "Responsibility". That definition is a result of the PC climate and this Idea of a male patriarchy and all males are somehow responsible for this Oppression.It's bullshit of course. What I am talking about is Personal responsibility and the way forward. Responsibility for your own thoughts and actions. Not the other version of being responsible or say accountable for this other, most destructive ideology .
Makes me wonder if its connected to the depression epidemic hitting the younger generation...
Jordan rejected the role of a victim
The victim is a poor creature, not even cause of being a victim, more of seeing itself as victim which sucks down, sucks out, sucks out our self-respect, self responsibility, dignity and wholeness. And the declarers of victims sucks the victim down-and-out by feeling as non victim, as superior, by looking down, by not being dependent and above the on the ground laying victim, by posing the humanist, hence a real humanist helps and supports the victim to shoulder the burden, to get friend with the burden, which is part of the victim anyway, to get strong by carrying the burden, so the burden is not as heavy anymore, and the victim becomes a hero broadly accepted and cherished by all not seeing the victim but the hero, the role model for all, who reject the poisonous offer of victim hood. JBP is a deep thinker and a deep diver, bringing up the essences of meaning, and he is one, together with his daughter, who rejected the role of a victim, carrying his darkest moments of depression, becoming a hero in knowing and acting.
@@julianw6604 Almost certainly. It's disempowering. It sets control outside of the individual. A loss of agency.
Fantastic Interview, very thought provoking.
Great discussion, thanks guys
Fascinating, brave, honest, open. Thanks again Rebel Wisdom.
There is tremendous pressure to put JP into the Christian box too. I heard a Christian commentator say “Don’t listen to him,”. Ridiculous.
I love it when people call you sexist when you say that men and women are different. Because in order for it to be sexist, they have to acknowledge that there's some form of distinction between the two.
Making others responsible for your problems disempowers you and empowers
those you blame. Taking responsibility for yourself is the first step to empowering
yourself to change your lot in life.
Bob Beckel excellent comment. Giving groups that complain they're oppressed special treatment, is pretty much oppression in itself. Keeping them in a victim mentality
Great interiew from a perspective I can so relate too, can I ask, please try & find some female voices out there looking at all this, I'm starting to wonder if we have any voices of the female experience out there, and we are different in some ways that means we do need a mixture of perspectives. Thanks as ever RW.
Despite Peterson’s iconoclastic and seemingly divisive public persona he still has instilled the idea of «Sapere aude!» in lots of people as evidenced by the many #WalkAway testimonials directly referencing him as one of their inspirations for reevaluation and change of their political beliefs.
"Walk away". How interesting. Precisely the phrase I associate with the Yellow Integral meme in Spiral Dynamics.
Great interview :)
Thanks guys 👍
Could listen to this guy all night👌🏾 Top shelf, his novels probably are as well, will check them out 🙏🏾
Excellent work, congratulations and well done . Keep up the good work.
"Violence can only be concealed by a Lie, & the Lie can only be maintained by Violence. ... Any man, who has once proclaimed Violence as his Method, is inevitably forced to take the Lie as his Principle."
--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
When you find yourself in agreement with someone, just move on (there’s little to learn, especially about yourself); conversely, when you find yourself in disagreement with someone, move in, all in (for there’s potentially a great deal to learn, especially about yourself). Why??? The one you disagree with is very likely ½ right, because you are very likely ½ wrong; taking the time to figure out how-and especially why-the one you disagree with is indeed ½ half right will reveal to you how-and especially why-you’re indeed ½ wrong. Although it takes time to do this, it’s not time wasted (ask a lot of questions, and listen, really listen, to the answers); in the end, you won’t likely find that you’ve changed your mind (almost no one ever changes one’s mind), but you will likely find that you’ve opened it.
Ryan Cronin, I just Google searched "entp"; although I'm usually quite skeptical of much of psychology, what little I read on "ENTP" seems pretty apt - thank you for the comment/lead!
Excellant talk, thanks. Still miss Tim's column's in The Guardian, cos there ain't much else in there to read these days at all.
mark kavanagh apart from Owen Jones terrifying people into silence.
Great interview, great content. Thanks for doing what you do.
Are you aware this video is unlisted?
I really think M. Peterson, is using the minimum force to awake people and to defend against hostile act or hostile intent.
Excellent interview and discussion, you've won me over as a subscriber
Excellent interview. Thanks.
Great guest. I wouldn’t mind seeing him back to talk more about his work
11:14 This is a point that I worry about the culture wars having an effect on people. There is a phenomenon called the inner judge effect, where indigenous peoples ended up having higher rates of suicide as they felt they were not needed or it was their fault. This applies to both sides.
19:40
I believe Tim may be interested in looking a little closer at his (I presume he's from the UK) government. You already have judges openly proclaiming that it's them that decide the context of a crime, you already have police that proclaim that laws are discrecionary. For the former look no further than the famous case of one Mike Meechan, who was prosecuted for making fun of Nazis (thanks to the bunk Communications Act of 2013), the government's general call for censorship of the internet, for the latter look at the countless cases of child abuses and grooming-gangs, including the woman (I forgot her name) that was complaining to the police that they let people of a certain ideology pray at Speaker's Corner, where it's strikly forbiden to hold prayers, and the next day she was dragged out of her home by police for "disturbing the peace". The UK government already manifested symptoms of a rot, the plurality of the UK's society is shaking in the name of political correctness.
Very good interview. I am a little perplexed by the brief discussion of 'god' at the end and may need to listen to that again. My understanding of what Peterson is getting at by 'god' is more easily accessed in the Susan Blackmore/Peterson discussion that can be accessed via youtube. I think Peterson's approach to the concept of 'god' is very much a psychological one and is rooted firmly in the individual's hierarchy of values. This view is very much not consistent with the anthropomorphic 'god' encountered in mainstream dogma.
There are a lot more options than a God who is a master you must grovel before and "everything you don't know". My guess is that Jordan is very open to a personal God, but not one that is some prayer answering "master". To speculate deeper, I'd guess that Jordan has a strong inner connection with a personal God, but since he cannot convey the experience to others and so doesn't "assert" this, why drag that into the discussion? That's pretty much where I'm at as a non-religious theist (or a religious non-theist, take your pick), and the way he skirts these issues is very much like mine. I will answer if I am directly asked that, "I am open to my experience of God, but that is not a believe, it is an experience".
Kon Berner Hi Kon, yes I agree It seems a truncated idea of God. For me, the most important aspect of Faith is a trust in the deep nature of things, and particularly in your own deep nature. You may not understand what's going on, you may feel confused and anxious, but don't let that overwhelm you into fighting a purely reactive battle. That battle tends to produce hair-trigger responses that propagate problems, and feeds a constant lurking sense of threat. We have to get out of the grip of existential peril in order to be rational, and that can be done by trusting that existence itself is eternal and self-redeeming. Then you are empowered by the weight of its success, as embodied both in yourself and in the endlessly evolving chain of living and dying. And your deep appreciation of that is the source of a helpful intuition that takes it all forward.
This was a fascinating conversation with 2 very clever men with no agenda to push. Hopefully they can chat again as this was gold.
Both left leaning guys but exposed the radical lefts crazy stance on things. Loved it 👍
Acceptance & Commitment psychology agrees that meaning is a major problem, - but deal with it by trying to identify what values we have that are emotionally/mentally significant. Also the notion of "flow" ...see Marvin Seligman work. Excellent interview - sadly miss Tim's column in The Guardian.
"Cultures are like people. Some are better than others. Some are nicer than, some are crueler than others. Some are more noble than others...they're just like people." -Tim Lott
How do we feel about this?
The thought, "He's humble" came up a couple of times, long before I heard it on the video. I never, ever think that of people so I think it's rather strange. that I would think it and them it would come up. I guess you really are humble - which is nice.
you're 100% right Mr. Lott
I think there is room enough for both the authoritative and the creative type and more, both must hold a proper place in our social dynamics if they are to function well. But when either identity determines there is only room for their "side", we start to individually dissolve into a state of conflict and irrational imbalance. Worse, the creative becomes unconsciously authoritarian to make up for their imbalance and the authoritative becomes unconsciously captive to the overwhelming powers of the denied creative which, out of necessity, erupts through too rigid authoritarian boundaries totally out of control. When and if these too sides consciously include each other as equally valuable, and make peace, we can expect to solve the problems we collectively face.
I'm very supportive of Jordan Peterson but I think he could evolve in some ways, along with the IDW. I've been a solid liberal my whole life, at 56 yo. The ideology of 'the left' has collapsed in my own psyche over the last few years. The IDW has helped me to understand that it's because social justice movements are no longer reality based, at the same time, I know in my gut that I haven't been wrong all of these decades and I don't see myself converting to conservatism.
Jordan Hall framed it well in his essay 'Situational Assessment 2017', he says that 'the left' won the culture war of the 1950s through the 1990s. It's during this period that my politics were formed, naturally I've grown very distrustful of the opposition. They've lied so much over the decades, that I became resistant to anything they had to say. There was always some anti-LGBT, anti-civil rights motive behind so much of their propaganda. Trust is earned and they never earned it. That's partly why we see so much intolerance for different POV. Milo isn't a tolerant person just because he's gay and is in an interracial relationship. He's a provocateur just like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh. He uses sexist and transphobic language to get a rise out of liberals. That's fine when it comes to free speech, he has exposed the insanity on the left by doing so, but he's also a reflection of what is wrong with conservatism imo.
That cannot be emphasized enough, the roots of social justice movements should be honored for all they have accomplished. From that perspective, more liberals might be willing to engage in debate the way the IDW is moving. The changes have been so extensive, so systemic if you will, that we take it for granted in 2019. We really did live in an oppressive society in the mid-20th century imo, relative to today.
Now we're trying to figure out why they''ve gone off the deep end, they're becoming like the very real oppressors that they claim to rally against. Its partly because conservatives haven't been capable of civil debate since probably the 1990s. In a way, forcing the left to remain in its bubble.
Right-wing and left-wing identity politics are two sides of the same coin. They feed off of one another, they need each other to remain relevant. Republicans in the US have understood this fully, all of their power today stems from their very successful Southern Strategy started during the Nixon years. Today we call it he Culture War and it's national.
Conservatism has a tendency to be just as oppressive to individual freedom as liberalism when given too much power. They are participating in this culture war fully. I think it's a great thing that the IDW is deconstructing left-wing identity politics. Having the conversations we need to have, but the right-wing will have to do some serious self reflection if we ever hope to see the divisions in society heal. I see almost no willingness on the conservative side to do this. The IDW may become just another right-wing echo chamber. Not because there are no liberal voices in the IDW, it's because they are almost singularly focused on criticizing liberalism and giving the conservative movement a free pass most of the time.
Discrediting the left empowers the right. Peterson and his family enjoy universal health care in Canada while we're struggling in the US against a much more powerful economic conservatism that has made that a pipe dream for we liberals. This guy's criticisms of Peterson are spot on imo. Peterson seems to enjoy his 'F you' attitude a bit too much, without acknowledging his role in empowering conservatism in all of North America and beyond. Peterson bashes the left as 'Marxist' constantly. In the US, that's the same rhetoric used to discredit reforms in health care that are desperately needed. We're fighting once again in the US for fair wages, affordable college and health care. That is what I hate about current day identity politics, it's a major distraction from what we should be talking about.
Christ! the Virgin may bless both of you. This was just too much stuff for an already old man, but I fear the story is not finished, btw. I have no clue who St Jordan rly is, but this gentle gentleman seems to be like a pneumatic hammer. I am thankful we are all together in this safe space!
"A man is but the sum of his tears. Too few and it as if he were a barren land; infertile,where nothing of value can grow.Too many and even the strongest among us will be washed away." I think that was G'Kar from Babylon 5 and I may be somewhat paraphrasing but it is apropos.
Great conversation, I loved it all! Thani you for still speaking out.
The saddest and hardest part of the political shifting is that the Democrats have been hijacked by the cultural Maoists. Even the populists aren't crazy about the Republicans...so how do we work in the middle. Anytime there is a third party candidate everyone screams about "You're making THEM win !" Liberals don't kinow what to do. We need a liberal party and a populist party in this middle ground. (Then the liberal party will be hijacked by the greens and the populist will become the Trump party??!!)
I really LOVE the Jordan Peterson and Stephen Hicks postmodernist .the history and the diagnosis. They were, to me, the extreme upper reaches of knowledge and even how postmodernist (Maoist thinking) is now getting tough and how to fight it, even, if you can, if it's not too late.
ua-cam.com/video/oyzSrtr6oJE/v-deo.html
Good stuff!
"The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. One word of truth outweighs the world."
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Brilliant interview. So nice to see a non religious leftist, although I do not doubt that there a lot of them around. But I think what you both seem to be missing, is that it is not so much
WHAT Peterson says, although that is deep and profound, and for the non indoctrinated the most worthwhile contribution, it is that he says what amounts to common sense, and people are listening. The culture has forgotten what a free thinker looks like. He provides the model of the fearless intellectual who actually likes people and does not look down on them. He is building his own hierarchy in public, with the highest value being intellectual freedom. I hope it is a virus that will spread to the academy and to the society at large. We need more fearless people who don’t just want to manage people.
Shout out for the shout out to Paul vanderclay, what do you know about that eh!
Much quiet wisdom here from Mr Lott!
This is what I came to realize after I guess about 6 months after I found Jordan Peterson... the reason why he's hard to contend with is because he talks about real issues that for the majority of the time he's been around on this Earth, the issues he raises we're not political issues. In fact for the longest it was quite the opposite, but now they are political issues which they should not be PERIOD!
Fascinating incisive analysis. "Totalitarian thought mindset is on the march!"
Excellent stuff
Great interview. I found it amusing that they began bemoaning the politicization of JP....and the conversation ended up being political.
I often find that Joseph Campbell is unfairly characterized when he is quoted as talking about "following your bliss". I have personally interpreted this (correctly I believe, to mean follow your personal passion in life. Bliss is not merely happiness or simply the longing for a good life. Bliss is a transcendent state, induced by passionate commitment, not unlike Peterson's suggestion to take on responsibility. Those who are passionate, automatically take on responsibility in the service of their passion. People do Campbell an injustice by trivializing the word "bliss".
We should continue to explore the idea of "integralism" as, I think is being developed by the so called intellectual dark web.
Are all your interviews on Apple’s Podcast?...If so I cant find it...if not why not?
Please advise
It is good that there exists a level of uncertainty about his definition of god among his audience because it compels them to argue about it, which requires them to think about it.
To provide them with a more certain and defined declaration of how he uses the concept “god” risks pacifying that part of his audience who most need to be active in their own pursuit of truth.
Are we not all guilty of being an imposition? Not only to all of creation, which creates chaos, but especially to ourselves, which creates an intense sense of desperation. Our search for identity and possession with reward becomes a futile exercise in self justification, which again, is an imposition. I believe that this is the very essence of tribalism......Simply gravitating to those who support not only our views and beliefs, but, offering us a way to deal with ourselves through confirmation. Right or wrong...good or bad , all become irrelevant as long as the mind and body find appeasement.
Great I interview
Jordan rejected the role of a victim
The victim is a poor creature, not even cause of being a victim, more of seeing itself as victim which sucks down, sucks out, sucks out our self-respect, self responsibility, dignity and wholeness. And the declarers of victims sucks the victim down-and-out by feeling as non victim, as superior, by looking down, by not being dependent and above the on the ground laying victim, by posing the humanist, hence a real humanist helps and supports the victim to shoulder the burden, to get friend with the burden, which is part of the victim anyway, to get strong by carrying the burden, so the burden is not as heavy anymore, and the victim becomes a hero broadly accepted and cherished by all not seeing the victim but the hero, the role model for all, who reject the poisonous offer of victim hood. JBP is a deep thinker and a deep diver, bringing up the essences of meaning, and he is one, together with his daughter, who rejected the role of a victim, carrying his darkest moments of depression, becoming a hero in knowing and acting.
I am solidly on the right and I loved this interview.
I just watched it the 4th time, well, at night, and there is every time sth. new, well it's at night, but when I should imagine good ppl, but well, it's at night. *strange world
Well, I'll tell you, and this is where I'll get in trouble with the "atheists", I'm not going to bow my head to the god of humility about knowing what I know if I know through direct experience. Peterson calls it the mystical experience.
I agree with Tim Loft on most everything he says, but when he implies that we must shut our mouths about the religious experience in order to avoid social catastrophe, he's not paying attention to our archetypal stories, the heroe's return.
There is a sense of censorship from atheist types who insist others keep their mouth shut when it comes to any possibility of direct experience of a metaphysical substrate. Atheists are quite intolerant there. We who have experienced DO KNOW, and it's for us not to keep our knowledge under a bushel. It's for those to who are ready to listen to listen, or perish in an atheist soup of sterile reason.
"What is God?" - at 47:00; this is EXACTLY what Hayek said in the fatal conceit... Hayek brilliantly elucidated these ideas throughout his life and through his work as it relates to economics, social philosophy, and psychology...
Tim rambles on, you know.
35:35 Dr Peterson has made these sentiments many times, on the Joe Rogan show would be the first example that comes to mind. Not a legitimate criticism, still love your work though
My dad once told me that your message is as valuable as the quality of the message times the amount of people willing to hear it. In that sense JBP's message would resonate with more people if he explicitly said in every interview that he hates the alt right as much as the radical left and that he's not a rightwinger. Are the people misinterpreting truely the ones at fault? in my estimation yes. Can JBP do something about it eventhough it's not his fault? Absolutely, so why shouldn't he?
God is the Mystery called Life.
Great interview .. thanks.
God is the Author of Life.
Many Things are True at the same Time ..
You say that Jordan Peterson “because of his confessed liberalism needs to be shouting equality of opportunity from the rooftops”, but why should he when we already have that. that’s the point we already have equality of opportunity and the battle now that he is fighting is against the Marxist/leftist/postmodernist who now want equality of outcome, which is the problem from the left . it’s not that the left want equality of opportunity .the left already won that battle .now they’re going to far into equality of outcome, that’s what we’re all saying and speaking out against because we know the type of authoritarian state and unfairness it would require to have such a reality. So I disagree with you on your critique of Jordan in that respect.
Enjoyed that immensely! One objection: I don't think that for Peterson God is the sum total of unknowns, which would be the Female Divine. Peterson's God is rather the fine balance struck between the male orderly known and female chaotic unknown, all this within the individual, within the process of individuation.
Anyone know where to find the "Alan Watts vs Jordan Peterson" video?
It's a member exclusive - available on our website
Ahh I see. Thank you. @@RebelWisdom
Interesting how "I don't know, let's work it out" comes from the same mind that says the government should do X
You fall into the trap in believing what things get named...be it "left" "right" "liberal" " conservative" "national health" "equality"
Peterson doesn't attempt to define God (at least in part) because as soon as he does, he will get caught up in a hundred unproductive arguments with people who define God differently. No good can possibly come of it and it won't move him a step closer to any of the goals he is attempting to achieve.
Even though I am not a fan of the left, if we are to have left, I hope that they are like Tim.
Good definition of God. Very useful.
All Leftists stories revolve around big brother.
Finally a sane, open-minded leftist.
Peterson doesn't make it clear that God is just being a way of describing the unknowable rather than a divine being, because the figure of God the father is a bulwark of patriarchy, and he not against patriarchy at all, indeed he sees all inequality as natural and inevitable.
Funny thing wondering who or what God is. God is religion and comes about through a belief in a particular religion. God is anything you worship but do not understand, and as mentioned in the video and is a statement of fact, what we don't know is 99.9% bigger than what we do know. So anything, be it a political, economic, or even idol worship of one sort or another is taken on faith as you have no clue , just a hope,of what the future based on these beliefs, even if enacted, will actually do because you have no way of measuring all the consequences, thus it is your God. Its is the aim and even postmodernist worship at this alter.
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The new left is nothing like the old left.
I don't think Jordan Peterson knows what he means about God. Maybe after he takes his sabbatical that he mentioned needing in the Irish TV interview.
The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Forget religion. Remember Jesus.
Please don't use the word 'religion' to describe ideology. My 'religion' has no dogma - absolutely none.
Matt Spinto Smith you seem very dogmatic on this point Mr Smith
Emphatic is the correct word. I can't invent it if it isn't there.....