RANT- The Pantera Reunion...Hell Yeah or F*@%$k No ?
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2022
- Join Pete Pardo for rant about this proposed Pantera reunion tour with Phil Anselmo, Rex Brown, and as yet to be named additional musicians. #pantera
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I think Geddy Lee said it best, "I don't want to play in Rush without those other two guys..."
Well, he played with John Rutsey (original Rush drummer) on their debut album. So there’s that.
Neil Peart wasn't an original member of Rush.
@@Wargasm54 Rutsy had to quit for health reasons, or he would have remained until the end
Yeah but I can live without Rush. Pantera not so much......
2 different situations... Geddy & the Boys played together till the end with no problems. Maybe a few problems but nothing like the guys from Pantera. Vinny said that there is no Pantera without Dime... won't happen/don't ask. But with both brothers gone, I think the brothers would at least now would like for the music to keep living on with the other living members!
I saw Pantera a few times in the 90's and that is how I want to remember Pantera. This is like Ringo and Paul touring and calling it The Beatles! No Abbott brothers = No Pantera!
ringo and paul are at least talented musicians
@@neilbower9052 The Abbots were the talent in Pantera.
@@joepermenter7228 they’re all talented in Pantera. Pantera never would have been Pantera to the levels they reached without Phil as great as Dimebag and Vinnie were.
@@eldenbotting5054 The Abbots launched their own band from their own studio in Dallas Texas. They needed a front man. Nobody really knows why they became a true heavy metal band and thus more popular but the band, but nobody knows who Pantera is without Dimebag Darrell.
A thousand times agree and a million times NO NO NO!!!!!!!
Phil and Rex doing something together absolutely.
Calling it Pantera, absolutely NOT.
It would be like Sammy Hagar, Michael Anthony, Tommy Lee and Brian May calling themselves Van Halen.
How PanterA was big when the two of them were in the band Zakk Wylde in dime's spot is the only way he's got the respect for dime and the talent maybe not he's style
I completely agree, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it either if they stay with the Pantera name just for this one tour. After all, the name will bring in more fans and allow the tour to be more successful.
False equivalence- Sammy Hagar was never part of VH’s classic line up.
Kiss is a better comparison- drummer and axe man replaced.
Call them Panthrax Society. There you go.
When there is no Band-Print on Mr. Pardo's shirt, you know something serious is going on. ;)
In many ways Pantera was the Van Halen of groove metal. The most striking was how both bands had phenomenal drummers who were overshadowed by the guitarist who happened to be their brother.
Exactly
you funny
Vinnie Phenomenal? No. Solid , slightly above average? Yes. Anyone could have been Pantera's drummer. Only Alex couod have been VHs drummer
@@BUCA_BILL Granted, Vinnie wasn’t the flashiest drummer. However, I still stand by my comment because his timing and precision were impeccable. He understood the importance of groove and he had a distinct style to his playing.
@@BUCA_BILL Vinnie was phenomenal, you’re just biased pal 😂
Fuck no with a side order of fuck this.
I agree. A one off tour, but not under the Pantera name. Call themselves Vulgar Cowboys or something in that vein, and bill it as a "tribute" or "celebration " of the legacy. I'd be ok with that
Vinnie would not be ok with Phil using the Pantera name without him
Yeah call the band something else! A little too salty for me. Don’t know if I would be able to handle Phil rallying the crowd in the spirit of Pantera without Dime or Vinny.
Vulgar Display of Southern Cowboy Steel Driven From Hell
You people are such trolls what are u doing with your achievements in life good god
Call it..Cowboys From Hell or maybe even Pantera Revisited..I can live with it and would wanna see it. We know it’s not gonna be anything amazing like if Vinnie and Dime were up there playing and alive..but Zakk and Charlie would make sure it sounded very good and was done correctly.
This is going to be a phenomenal celebration of what Pantera still means to a lot of people. Pantera has been a huge part of my life since my early teens. Their music helped me through many hard, dark times. Unfortunately I never got the chance to see them live. Now with Phil & Rex AND 2 of Dime and Vinnie's best friends rounding it out, I will move mountains to attend this show and take part in celebrating Pantera and what they still mean to me, and to the others attending who had this amazing band touch their lives in some way. Phil and Rex don't owe us anything. They get to call this WHATEVER they want to call it. Stay home if you don't like it.
Fully agree. If one has seen them live or if doesn’t care, then just don’t go.
Hey I love Pantera as much as the next guy and have tons of respect for Phil and Rex but HELL NO. Not without the brothers. IDGAF, Phil and Rex could get Zack Wylde and another great drummer and do a top notch Pantera tribute tour or something It would be great and people would love it but don't dare call it Pantera.
From my perspective (which I know doesn't mean much) but for some of the younger fans like myself, the whole "tribute" idea Pete spoke about could be very interesting, especially since I came to appreciate Pantera after Dimebag's passing (I was about 8 at the time?) Being able to see some form of Pantera live could be really fun. If this comes to fruition, I think Zakk Wylde is almost a no brainer on guitar, and Charlie Benante is a good pick for drums, I was also skeptical of Mike Portnoy being asked to do it as well.
It definitely can't possibly be the same without either Dime or Vinnie, I think most, if not all of us can agree on that point. Labeling it as "Pantera" will be really weird, I think they should do a "Phil Anselmo/Rex Brown & Friends" type of thing. They shouldn't try and sell it as if they'd replace Dime or Vinnie \m/
People tend to forget that Pantera is a big part of their lives and they lost 2 brothers along the way. I wish them all the best and I look forward to what they put together.
Yeah, agreed - I think the way Phil has played it w/ the Illegals has clearly been a respectful celebration of THOSE songs. That's the right vibe.
I agree!
I'm gonna look at this as a tribute tour and not as a "Pantera" reunion. That's how they should have announced it.
it's really that simple. Agreed.
Well said ...👍
It's a beautiful thing. Really is. Respectful tribute to close the third act for the kids that dont know YET that they are gigantic Pantera fans and the ones like us that are happy to see phil and rex again. Love it!
I think this is a really interesting story. The closest comparison I can think of would be Roger Daltrey and Pete Townsend continuing as The Who. I know that the spirit of The Who, for many, died with Keith Moon--and definitely after the Ox. With Pantera, the band was obviously the Abbott brothers' creation. But then again, look at the Cavalera brothers in Sepultura. They've left, yet Sep continues to exist and does reasonably well.
How they choose to advertise this iteration of 'Pantera' will tell the tale. If they just announce that they're back, that will rub people the wrong way--it will look like Phil and Rex are capitalizing off the name. If they advertise it as a tribute to their legacy and recognize Zakk and Charlie are guests, and the tour is done tastefully, I see no issue whatsoever, and I'd even pay to see it. The surviving members of Queen have always billed themselves as Queen + Paul Rodgers or Adam Lambert. I know it's not classic Queen, of course, but the show would still be great to see. We're approaching the time where this will become more and more common as classic musicians pass away.
Queen marketed it the ethical way. Almost forgot they did that
Mixed moods. On the other hand, you have to understand Phil and Rex are still here and there are many of us who want to hear those legendary songs live. Will it be the same without Vinny and Dime? Of course not but its something that connects us to that legendary music during which we can raise a toast to the brothers🤘
Good comment
If they treat this as a Pantera tribute tour then I'm on board with it, and I'll probably go see them when they come down here to New Orleans. Aside from it being some sort of tribute, then they should not be calling themselves Pantera going forward.
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As someone who was too young for the original run, I'm down with the lineup you mentioned Pete. Also with you on no albums. If they became a regular tour, again with that lineup, I'm cool with it.
Totally ridiculous, this cannot be Pantera, imagine Robert Plant without Page call his project Led Zeppelin
I'm all about it. I'm 33 I never got to see Pantera live but this gives me the "close as ill ever get" experience
Hi Pete… yes this news came out of no where. The guitar and drums were so distinctive to the sound. I agree with you that a one off tour to celebrate could work and yes it has to be be two other known artists. If anything it’s got people talking about Pantera and I’m sure this will result in an increase in sales of their albums. Thanks Pete. Chez
I agree with you Pete! If the 2 remaining guys wanted to do a "one off" or very limited tour, as a tribute.... great for the fans!!! But without Dimebag & Vinnie -just doesn't feel totally legit. I was never a huge fan & only saw Vinnie's band: HellYeah in concert;but some people are just irreplaceable Ex. EVH, DIO, etc.
I agree with you Pete. If it is a one off tribute to the brothers and the music I am in. Fans who are younger then us may have never seen these songs live. But... New music...no way!
The tribute concert tour for Chuck S. of Death was a great time and a well put together respectful tribute. A little different scenario since Chuck always had a different lineup for each album, so they were able to bring a handful of former members to tour.
The way I understand it, Vinnie was the big obstacle to a reunion, and with him gone, it was just a matter of time. Phil and Rex were on the outs for a while, but are apparently good. And they're both in their mid-50's now, and maybe thinking more about padding their pensions, so to speak. And maybe they want to give the people what they want, while we're all still young enough to get something out of it.
Agree , rex sounded so much better now , his bass sound like always wanted , bolder , filling those empty spaces ,,phil still have some gas left in the tank, benante it is a little above , but tell me ,,phil voice ? Its also no pantera , i am satisfied how this reunion or whatever, i like it just like 90s
That would not be Pantera as we know it, but it will be a great "supergroup". And Zakk is the only guy who can really bring the attitude back. Hope I can see them live again! A new levoooool...!
good rant, and as with any reunion as of the last how many years now already, with bands that has logo's that many people love sooo much that it's validates it, apparently, because when you look around all the reformed bands from the golden days of metal/hard rock as in the 70's & 80's, and regardless to all the fallen ones, which happens more and more to everyone these days, usually by the real virus; namely cancer, but the point is as with this "reunion" as with soo many other ones with THAT logo, many of the are mere TRIBUTE bands for crying out loud, but do people care about that, i''ll give an example, a couple of weeks ago Omen played here in Oslo, with original guitarist Kenny Powell and with a line up that has been with the band since 2017, NOW , if let's say i or anyone knew how Kenny looked like today, sporting his mohawk, which is cool, and they didn't have the Omen banner in the background, how many would know that they where seeing wasn't a tribute band? which i call Omen today, and many other bands too, and it's usually those semi cult or really obscure or has been bands, that has 2 main members that can under NO circumstances be in the same band anymore, so hence 2 versions of the same band, oh great, how's that for integrity, huh? love for the music, is it? BAH , now i've seen this happen for decades know, and i do NOT believe anymore when ANY band will claim, this is our final tour, right, sure....well, prove it then! and as for these feeble attempts at making a comeback or a tribute by USING the band name/logo or BRAND is a better word for it, now, Pantera were never my kind of band, to put it polite, but that's not the point either, it's just another, here we go again, now i'm guessing Kerry King might be the guitarist, as there's been rumours that, since Mr King REALLY wants to continue with Slayer as he has admitted that he really regretted or more to the point, wanted to keep Slayer going, and i will NOT be surprised if he would some day soon anyhow, and there was talk of Anselmo doing a project together, now that could be just a project in it self of course, but either way, if Kerry were to be the guitarist in "Pantera" or if Anselmo would join Kerry in a "Slayer" reunion, i woul NOT be surprised, but more importantly i wouldn't care even how much i love old Slayer
This is probably the last chance to hear these songs live with any original members at all, so enjoy it for what it is.
And this lineup as a Pantera tribute band is probably better than 95% of bands touring today, so, there's that also.
Even if billed as Pantera, it's still a tribute. Everyone knows the deal.
1000%
Phil and the illegals already play these songs, how many times have u seen them?
@@bannedmadmike4234 None, they haven't come here and they won't compare to Zakk and Benante.
@John Anthony you’re right. We the little people have no say about ‘the band’s’ direction. We also don’t have to spend our fucking money on Phil’s money grab.
IMO I don’t see this as a money grab. They be making music with there own bands and side bands. They have plenty of money. Don’t see that at all.🤷🏻♂️
It’s tough for me bc I saw them multiple times over their career. That said, if they go out as a tribute to Pantera but not as a THE Pantera. Now, for those criticizing this so harshly, look at all the bands touring with one member or NO members. Phil’s been doing Pantera songs for years with the Illegals etc. Also, Vinny refused to do it while he was alive so, I’m all for it as a tribute
It’s good. All those complaining will be at the show. Take it with a grain of salt.
Doesn't Sepultura record and tour with no original members?
Saw them live at their best in the '90s. Have to say "no" to seeing only Phil and Rex. It is not truly Pantera to me without Dimebag and Vinnie!!
Yep, it'd be closer to Pantera without Phil and Rex and with Dime and Vinnie.
@@independenceltd. Someone suggested just call themselves Cowboys from Hell. That would sit better with me.
Saw them open for Sabbath in 99. One of the best concerts of my life.
@@SuperStrik9 Saw the same tour. And since it was in Dallas the fans were really jacked for Pantera. Black Sabbath was awesome, but Pantera was on fiyah.
@@independenceltd. Awesome. Saw them in Toronto and it was the same thing. As much as I love Sabbath and they put on a great show, Pantera were even better. Pantera were incredible that night and Dime shredded his ass off. I still have the ticket stub.
Phil’s been doing pantera songs for a while when touring his solo band.
Rex is a decent bassist but 🤷♂️ could be any bassist to be fair.for me it just won’t be pantera without the brothers so please call it something else…but would i still go🤔…..probably 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Decent bassist??? Suck elderly hard on Clark.
I came into Pantera, as one of those maligned Metal fans suffering through the early throes of Alternative and later Grunge. When CFH hit...it was the jolt I needed at the time I needed. Having met Rex, Dime and Vinnie...you knew what genuine down to earth guys...no doubt about it. They were fans just like you. They carried the Metal banner through that tumultuous time the way a metal band should. Everyone for the next five years knew they had to go hard and heavy to keep up! I would love to see the remaining guys do a tribute tour, with taste...and then stop. Form a new band with a new sound and new material? Yes. Play the old tunes live? Of course. Tour endlessly as Pantera 2.0 ? Nope!
This was inevitable. They've been talking about it for years. As far as being an exercise in legacy-tarnishing/exploitation it is far from the most egregious example us rock fans have had to endure over the years. That being said I would have so much more respect if they did it under the name 'Mouth For War' or 'Cowboys From Hell' for example, similar to bands like 'Last in Line' or 'Death To All'. Overall I'm not that invested or interested in the project.
Now get Sydney on the show for another rant about the Nita Strauss/Alice Cooper situation
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They should do what the Doors did. Granted, there was some legal stuff with John Densmore that contributed to what they called themselves but they did basically a Doors reunion playing strictly Doors turns and toured together for a little while under the name “Manzarek-Krieger” and sometimes “Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger of the Doors”. Rather than just “The Doors”.Dead and Company is the same thing. Rather than reforming the Grateful Dead and touring under that name, Weir, Kreutzmann, and Hart formed Dead and Co. Queen is the same way with their whole “Queen + Adam Lambert”. Pantera should do something similar to those three. I feel like that would be a good way to pay homage to Vinnie and Dimebag, as well as maybe make it a little easier for fans to accept. Instead of being Pantera without Vinnie and Dimebag, it’s a new Anselmo and Brown offshoot band that’s playing Pantera songs
Agreed
I'm totally with you in this Pete. If it is a tribute tour, then i'm in. :)
I agree with all your points in respect of how this might work, but have the same reservations, especially with regard to Dimebag. It's not just the playing - it's the attitude that existed then and cannot be replicated.
The Abbots were Pantera. Imagine Van Halen without Eddie and Alex.
I agree, could see a tribute, one off tour and I think that is respectful and would be appreciated but all fans. Also, starting a band under a new name if they wanted to continue touring and new music. I think that would be interesting
You mentioned Lynyrd Skynyrd, and compared their situation to this, and I gotta say I agree pretty strongly… *but I agree because Skynyrd is the example of what happens when you go beyond just reunion and tribute to what the band was, and go to full blown NEW BAND making new studio albums under the OG band name, despite absolutely essential members of that band being gone.* To me, Skynyrd is the perfect example of how, as you rightfully put it, “watered down”, that the band’s music and history can become, and I absolutely don’t want to see that happen to Pantera. I cringe at the thought of Dime’s memory and legacy being basically (imho) disrespected, the way that Ronnie’s was in those later years when “Skynyrd” 2.0 (now like 4.0) released an album like ‘God & Guns’ (sorry, but Ronnie did write “Saturday Night Special”, and I don’t buy his little brothers attempt to square that albums lyrics with Ronnie’s lyrics from the Trve Skynyrd).
ANYWAY, I’m getting carried away… I’m just saying, that band was brought up and they’re THE example imo, of how reunion tours can go wrong, and water down a bands legacy (if not for 70s Skynyrd’s prowess, it’d be a drowning), even if they are incredible as a live force many years on (and they were, perhaps still are, and I’m sure Pantera can be too). Just please, let’s not dis the true OG’s of Pantera, and let’s keep it classy and respectful and have fun with it, and not make it about the money. If they do want to make new tunes, cool! But don’t call yourselves Pantera. Respect your fallen brothers! 🤘✌️
Skyward was never Skynard after 1977.
Couldn’t agree more. One off Tour, bill it as a tribute to Pantera, Tribute to Dime and Vinny. AND THATS IT. Anything more, my eye brows start raising. I agree the way they announced it and the timing is suspect. But I can get down with it if they start billing it as a Tribute or Celebration, and not just Pantera back on tour.
Edit: also NOT using the Pantera name for the tour. Also just classic material, NO BRAND NEW MATERIAL with Pantera name, if they do go with that ( which I ABSOLUTELY HOPE THEY DON’T). The Abbot brothers started that band, and knowing how Dime and Vinny felt toward Phil and Rex not wanting to go one as Pantera and do their own thing, when Dime and Vinny’s heart were still in it, would be a slap in the face.
I've never seen them live. I'm a definite YES on this.
I wish they did the rumored 3 piece tour while Vinnie was alive. I agree with a lot of the comments, I would hate to see them using the Pantera name. While this is great for a lot of people, it really makes you wonder what if....
I totally agree. I think they'll do it right. They'll call it something else, and keep it to a tour or a tour every few years. They just want to play their stuff and see the fans I'm thinking.
My view is wait to see. It does sometimes work - Queen (+ Adam Lambert), AC/DC, The Who for instance but not always.
anybody know where i can get one of those guitar stands he has in the back ??? that looks dope AF
Last night I went to Nick Mason’s A saucerfull of secrets gig here in Portugal. Cool to see Nick and Guy Pratt (the bassist who came to Pink Floyd to replace Waters) playing songs from the beggining of Floyd. Great concert, with great musicians having fun with themselves and the audience. They didn’t gave the name Pink Floyd and that’s fair. So I think Anselmo and Rex should do the same with Pantera, but with a different name.
Had the luck to see 'em live in like 2001 or so, during the Reinventing The Steel tour. Right before the end. Phil was completely out of it. But I'm thankful for having been able to see 'em. Reunion tour...I'll probably pass.
Hard Pass. Its a stupid ass idea
@@jayteesgear I know I'll probably go, in the end. Thinking about it, it's only a tribute. I think you're right 😂 who cares.
I only saw Pantera once and it was on the same tour in 99. When I heard the news last night, I was thrilled. Dime's girlfriend seems to be on board with the idea. I texted my friends in NY this morning and tried to gauge their responses. I got a lot of positive responses so far. I am with Pete on this one. I would fly to NY to see their show honoring Dime and Vinnie. I do not, however, agree with making more albums without the brothers; it will not be Pantera in my opinion. Let them do a blistering set with Zakk and Charlie, and put Pantera to rest.
To me it doesn't matter what Dime's girlfriend says either way. She was never in the band but I'm sure she will be collecting money from the Pantera sales on old records and merchandise at least. I'm all for them playing Pantera songs, just not using the name without an asterisk.
@@scottashe984 I only mentioned the girlfriend's opinion because up and until recently she violently hated Phil. Now that she's given her blessing, I can see no reason for the tour not happening.
Now that Vinnie Paul's out-of-the-way !
(Which he said no to the reunion) I could see the reasons for Vinne saying no, but God bless him too see ya on the other side soon! Anyway It's time to do the re-group thing and to do new material as well keep Pantera saga alive
the show must go on! HELL YEAH
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It will be a great tribute. I'll go see it for sure.
Hey Pete what are your thoughts on Charlie Benante as a person and a drummer? I can’t remember you talking about him before.
I agree with a one-off tribute tour with Zack and Charlie filling in. Or even with a few different guests filling in. But yeah, it has to be about the Abbott bros.
I'm torn because there has been so much of this in the hard rock/metal/rock scenes. Slayer, Blue Oyster Cult, Alice In Chains, Overkill, Megadeth, Rolling Stones, the who, Lynrd Skynrd, etc. have all gone out with 1/2 or more of the original band gone.
Phil already does Pantera sets with his band, if it becomes a tribute and packaged with Slayer reunion and some other bands , like BLS and Anthrax and at the end they do a pantera encore that could work
As a fan since 1992 I think they should leave it alone.. But if they decide to go ahead and proceed with it at least they got Zakk and Charlie to fill those shoes and from my understanding it's a tribute celebration not a reunion. My only beef with this project is that Phil and the brothers never resulted their differences so it feels very weird
Having watched Phil & The Illegals twice a few years ago, i give it a go, sure, they'll probably do the same setlist n stuff but for one, Phil is healthy and sounding great for what he can do, and Rex is a killer bass player and would be cool to see them together after a while. I agree with the tour but not with the "Pantera Reunion" name, maybe change the name and thats ok. Hopefully they get kick ass musicians to join em, either Zakk or OLA Englund are fit to take the axe spot, as far as the drums go, hopefully they get a drummer that toured with Pantera back in the day or something. Phil's drummer in the Illegals is a beast but the man gets the job way better done when he's playing deathmetal stuff, so hopefully they can get someone killer behind the kit.
So u know Phil has already been doing these songs w Rex, how many songs on the set list that night were pantera as opposed to Phil and the illegals music. Haha
@@bannedmadmike4234 First time He played half and half, 6 Illegals tunes that, to be honest, both Illegals albums are fucking killer, and 7 Pantera. Second time it was fully Pantera driven, tho he did squeezed through 1 Illegals tune, both shows rocked and he was sounding great on both. I was impressed he actually played 2 songs from Reinventing The Steel, only thing the show was missing was some Trendkill tunes but hopefully they play some during this one, after all, when he opened for Slayer's farewell tour he did play Sandblasted Skin and in a live stream he did Suicide Note 1.
The reunion is a good thing. I see it like this. Consider it as a great pantera cover band that has the benefits of seeing the original singer. If you want to hear that music live why not go an enjoy it. Especially the younger ones thAt never saw them. It’s the best that can be done under the circumstances
Good talk. Thanks.
Pete, hi.
Slightly off topic. Any news or updates on the SOT gathering In October? Thank you.
Coming soon!
@@seaoftranquilityprog thanks. I want to make arrangements since I am coming from FL.
I say if Phil and Rex wanna do this, great. Name it something from a Pantera song: Flood, Walk, Cemetary Gates -F**king Hostile -whatever but do NOT call it Pantera nor a reunion. It would NOT be Pantera. Pantera the band WAS both Abbott brothers TOGETHER. They formed the nucleus of Pantera and the core sound. This is not to say Phil wasn't the best vocalist the band had nor Rex a solid and grounded bass player, sorta like what Cliff Williams is to AC/DC. And if they wanna get Zakk and Charlie or others, fine. But no guitarist, not even an accomplished studio musician could recreate Dime's sound because it wasn't merely Dime's equipment that produced his iconic sound: it was his feel on the instrument -it was him. Vinnie, yeah you could get away with it a bit more but he still had a very unique sound and feel to his playing. You cannot match either brother in that. They are UNIQUE. Take Alex Van Halen, who plays like no other drummer on the planet. He has a unique sense of portion and feel in the way he put his beats and sounds together. He and Eddie also fed off each other's vibe when playing. So, going back to the Abbott brothers, Vinnie FED off Dime and Dime off Vinnie. They could feel what each was gonna do. They had that sense. They were unique, one of a kind. As a few other commentators stated: this would not be Pantera. Name it after a favored Pantera song (like I stated above), and do it as a tribute to Dime and Vinnie. But do NOT call it Pantera. Pantera, the band, was disbanded by its owners the Abbott brothers when it fell apart and died with Dime and then, sadly, Vinnie. Calling this a "Pantera" reunion is doing a disservice to the name as well as the Abbott brothers.
Pantera's first official concert was on February 12, 1981 and their last official concert was on August 26, 2001 (20.5 years of touring). Throughout those 20+ years, Dimebag and Vinnie were present. Without Dimebag or Vinnie, I just don't see it happening. I think we should just preserve their 20-year career as we remember it (1981-2001) and not try and resurrect something without 2 key players that weren't only pivotal in the bands sound, but ESSENTIAL in creating and playing it.
I would go if they got 2 quality name players for guitar and drums. (And first suggestion for drums, Lombardo)
I saw Pantera in the late 90’s a couple times at OZZFEST . They were excellent and this tour in 2023 if it’s happens I will definitely be there . I am a big fan of ZaKk and it’s going to be hard to fill Dimebag shoes but Zakk is very capable of doing just that .
Like many others have said already, Rex and Phil working together, no issues. But if this tour is a "Pantera reunion"... then we've technically been getting these reunions for years with Phil's band Down.
Also, it's been well documented that Dime and Vinny wanted nothing to do with Phil and were on record saying they'd never reunite with him. Seems like this is also a slap in the face to the brother's wishes too.
However, I never got to see any of the members of Pantera play their songs live so, even though this seems a bit odd, I'd likely go check out the show any way just out of curiosity. Maybe that's what Phil and Rex are banking on?
I agree with everything you said but I won't go see this. Saw them in 92. I got my fill.
I wish they were doing it with a few multiple guitarist and drummers that were influenced by Dime and Vinnie, so it could bring attention to those musicians who were influenced by Dime and Vinnie. Like Ola Englund and Wes Hauch on guitar or any others I can not think of and Chris Adler and Mike Wengren on drums or any other I can not think of. Love Zakk and Charlie but I wish they were doing with people who were influenced by the Abbott Brothers.
I would be there, for sure! Especially if Zakk Wylde is involved. Just a shame that these great songs aren't being performed live.
DOWN just played at Hellfest
My biggest issue with this is that I don't think Phil has the voice that could sing anything close that would be listenable. Even if the rest of the band played songs perfectly, I think he's long gone from any decent singing, with all due respect. He destroyed his voice with booze, drugs, screaming, health issues, etc. I mean, he's trying, but nowadays everything is kinda just screaming, and it's not very good, a lot of struggling. There's no way he could sing anything melodic. I mean, who knows, maybe he proves me wrong but for the last 10+ years everything I heard from him was not so good, I mean vocally.
to be honest dude the fact of the matter is Phil has been getting a ton of PRAISE by fans specifically for how good his voice has sounded recently.
Das Phil with down in Dallas not too long ago and he sounded great lmao
Yeah I have the concern about Phil as well. He still sounded pretty good in 2010 singing Pantera stuff and seemed to be really well at the time and not so strung out. The last couple years I've seen on UA-cam he hasn't sounded very good singing Pantera and the guitars had to be tuned a full step down
This is from 2021 and he actually sounds pretty good here and it's in the original key as well ua-cam.com/video/mbTYbeZlOlU/v-deo.html
Agreed
No Abbott Brothers equals no Pantera, but that being said, I would pay to see another Texas-based band, Power Trip, who lost their vocalist Riley Gale. Do it with Rex Brown on bass backing up Phil Anselmo doing Pantera songs exclusively. The youth would help them slap hard!
I saw an interview recently with Blake Ibanez and he said that the remaining Power Trip guys had something in the works. I'm pretty psyched for that.
@@gwts1171 That's very good news!
I'd go and see a mostly acoustic Phil and Rex set, where they just throw in a couple of Pantera songs. Also, they should follow it up with a box set release of all the pre-Cowboys albums.... include a CD of this live thing if they must *sigh.
As long as it's a tribute tour, I'm fine with using the Pantera name. There are younger folks who never got the chance to see Pantera back in the day. They've only heard the stories or seen videos, and all of that does not do justice to how much a force of nature that band was on stage. So yes, let us celebrate this legendary band and give the kids a taste. But anything beyond a tribute tour should be called something else, because it won't be Pantera.
When the Thin Lizzy tribute band decided to make new music together, they had the decency to call it Black Star Riders, and it was awesome.
from what i heard was dimebags and vinnies widows gave the ok. but in my mind it should billed as a tribute like the music of pantera. it's zakk wyde and Charlie benate.
Tribute Tour under the name Cowboys From Hell. Def hope to see them if they come around.
We now know who are filling the guitar and drum roles, and they’re great. I’m happy Pantera fans are going to be able to get close to experiencing the band live again. The plus side is I don’t see Zakk or Charlie leaving their main gigs, so this will certainly be a one off. For me personally, I never had the inclination to see Pantera live when they were together and even less now, even if the brothers were still alive. Just too aggressive for me to get through an entire concert. When I’m in the mood, an album does me just fine.
Your name is “darkageofchaos” yet Pantera was too “aggressive “ 🤣. Buttplug
Well what you are doing here? Respectfully
I’m kinda torn. I like Phil but not sure of Pantera without the brothers. I’d go because Pantera was the band I have seen the most.
Agree. Hell yeah. And this is more like a tribute as I understand watching the Zakk interview.
My late brother's favorite band. As a tribute, I would love to see Phil and Rex.
The only viable reason I see is the 40th anniversary of the debut release , potential cashgrab notwithstanding.But they seem to go out of their way to not acknowledge that era, even Phil's first album pre Cowboys is hardly mentioned.(which I like and have all four pre- Cowboys releases on cd.)
I saw Pantera on April 2, 2001 at the Hard Rock Live in Orlando, and it was awesome. As far as this "reunion" goes, I think they should go under a different name. I'm curious about how Rita feels about this!
If it was announced A Pantera Tribute Tour i would go. But a Pantera reunion????? R u fucking kidding me?? Hell no!!!#
Well i think that it woud be fun to see Phil and Rex on tour as Pantera because i want to hear those songs live one more time but with out Vinny and Dimebag that is not Pantera .
Phil has been doing Pantera sets for some time now with his band The Illegals.
It's like Paul Bostaph and Gary Hold doing a Slayer reunion.
As soon as I heard Charlie was in, I got interested. This guy won't be there just to take a check. They picked the two guys that had to be apart of this for it to work , so they're off to a very good start
I think I'm with Pete with this, I saw Pantera in '98, if is just a one off (with Zakk and Charlie) I could be interested, but a new album and that I would find it unnecessary...
I'm going for sure, I've seen Dime 4 times in the Cowboys and Vulgar era but it's about the music. Even your favorite band, Deep Purple, doesn't have the 2 main members and you still buy into their new music.. Long term I'd be into a name change if they kept it going, but Axl did GNR forever without the original band and sold a shit ton of tickets so people will be pumped for this no matter who's up there. But, it will be high quality people for sure because this is more than just a cash grab. IMO
I wrote that band of a long time ago. Love the band and their legacy but it's been such a long time. Good songs? Yeah, phenomenal songs actually. But am I interested as of today? Not really. I love Phil's solo projects. Every single one of his projects.
I WOULD go to a show. Just to see Phil and Rex play together again. I saw them on their Down tour in 2008. I think people hold on to much to dead people. Don't mean to sound cold or anything. It's a shame they died but man, people die.... We all are gonna die one day. It was a big deal when it happened but today, nahhh..... Time to get over it.
I'm more for new stuff. But I would love to see Rex and Phil perform again together.. Doesn't matter if it's Pantera though...
Zack said years ago if asked it would be to honor Dime.
The families have given blessings for this.
Zack WILL match Dimes music. Charlie is a beast . Quite possibly the best candidate . Plus he was close with the Pantera guys . This will not be half assed, I'm sure.
The brothers will be honored tremendously during the live shows I'm sure. I plan on going to a few shows on this tour.
Nah, I couldn't careless anymore tbh. Hope they have fun though.
I've never been a huge Pantera fan, but I'm hearing so much about them lately that it makes me want to listen.
I would actually much rather see a thorough well-produced Pantera documentary ... basically a "Get Back" for Pantera.
I saw Pantera at least 20 times. Like many have said, thats the way I want to remember them. No Dime, no Pantera. This "reunion" is all about making money. If it does happen they will make money for sure. We can discuss and give our opinions all day long but they will make their money. Phil has alot of fans. He is the main attraction and of course still the voice of Pantera. Hopefully if it does happen it would only be for one tour. For years after Dimebag died I always thought that Zakk Wylde would be the best option to play guitar if there was ever a reunion. But I used to think that before Vinnie died.
Anyways, I read that Zakk does NOT want to do this reunion thing, so who knows who's going to do it at the end...
As long as they bring the heat I’m ok with it. If it’s 4 old dudes loitering onstage it’ll be pretty bunk and won’t live up to the Pantera name. And I have nothing against old dudes. I am one. I’ve seen Pantera live a few times back in the day. Even had backstage passes in 94 FBD tour. Epic times.
I'm good with the idea of a Pantera tribute tour with Zak and other special guests in honour of the band but it can't be called a Pantera tour. Dimebag was the heart and soul of Pantera and he is not replaceable. It would be like Fates Warning without Jim Matheos or Nightwish without Tuomas Holopainen. It just can't work. Dimebag was like EVH or Randy Rhoads; his playing was so distinctive and overflowing with his own personality that anything else would be a pale comparison (regardless of how great a player anyone else would be).
Fates warning 😂😂. Not even come close in this conversation
They're talking Zakk but Ozzy is still supposed to start up a tour next year. That's a stretch though considering his health so it probably will be Zakk on guitar.
Pete, I have an opinion on why now...2019 would have been too soon then two years of covid-19... plus zakk had to be available,he plays in two other bands
Saw them on cowboys,vulgar,ozzfest tours. What a beast they were! There's nothing after them ,lineage wise. That's were metal died.
Rex and Phil have been playing in 3rd tier bands in clubs and as an opening act for decades. They deserve to go out on top.
I guess I don't buy into the idea that a band's certain lineup is somehow sacred and once someone passes or leaves that band can't continue or get back together at some point. As a big Rush fan, I am certainly in support of Alex and Geddy's decision to retire the band after Neil's passing, but if they ever decide to perform as Rush in the future, I will support them.
100% sir. I was lucky enough to see the real Pantera eight times. Dime and Vinnie was Pantera. All of what you said with also the fact that the two brothers passed without ever settling their differences with Phil makes this leave a very bad taste in my mouth. I won’t be seeing this as much as I would love to see Zakk Wylde play some Pantera riffs. RIP Abbott Brothers. Arlington Texas representing.
Down did a great set at Hellfest. Phil on fine form. Watchable officially on UA-cam. I can see this working as Phil & Rex... do Pantera.
I saw them open for Skid Row that's enough much like this "Stadium" tour
My personal interest is like directly on the fence, depends on how interesting the openers are. Give me something like EyeHateGod and Indian, I’ll be there. If it’s like Obituary and another band that tours the entire country every 3 months I’ll save my money lol