The real answer here is that at all official tournaments, every player must announce every play they do in an over the top way as one does in the anime. It won't actually fix anything in the game but people will get annoyed reiterating rulings and announcing their boss monsters being summoned every single time.
I feel as though the video would have been more concise if that were the title. It's too bad that Doug is as considerate as he is to peoples sensibilities. He knows that people are sensitive and fucking stupid and does as much as he can as to not offend anyone.
“Haha you just activated my trap card. See, I placed Mirror Force face down on the D6 square, so, when your queen goes to attack my queen, she reflects her attack right back at herself instead.” “What?! That’s not possible!!!” “Isn’t it, Kaiba?” “No like.. literally this is not how chess works, Yugi.”
I will say the Special Summon "fix" can feel like a pretty tempting option. One of the things I feel kinda gets overlooked in the discussion of the modern state of the game - and really for all of Yu-Gi-Oh's history - has been the dominance of one playstyle over all others from format to format. In the early stages of the game, with such a small pool of cards, Beatdown strategies were pretty much the only strategy worth playing. Then, Control decks began to take over for a while, all the way to the modern era where players are heavily encouraged to play Combo stategies or get steamrolled. It's this lack of variety in strategies - the fact that competitive play can be so heavily dominated by one style of play - that seems to get overlooked in these kinds of discussions.
I dunno if this would "fix" gemini monsters, but it could be a "buff" if they made it that they're treated as normal mosters everywhere (hand, deck, field and graveyard) until they're normal summoned again on the field as usual. Then they could at least take advantage of more normal monster support, unlike their current state.
I quite like this, when I played hieratics I used to think if the hieratic seal of the dragon king could be searched as a normal monster from the deck this would be far far stronger.
Yes, i couldn't agree more. Konami has given Geminis a few cards over the years, some are really good like catalyst field but still they're so so terrible. You can't really play a full Gemini deck because Geminis are a brick basically without any other specific cards that support them. So imagine having an Archetype where there is literally no monster that can do something on its own.
The chess timer one is spot on imo. What I want konami to do is what Pokemon TCG has been doing with Pokemon TCG Online where whenever you buy actual yugioh products, be it structures, boosters, etc., you get a code for a yugioh game where you get the exact same booster, structure, etc. in the game as well.
i just hope they don't do that bullshit where they replace one of the cards with a "UR" card or something getting a V card when opening a pokemon pack is just a big "fuck you, go play online"
I think adding a duel links style "limited X" style section to the banlist would be really interesting, just because it would allow people to use cards like the Dragon Rulers as semi-generic extenders, without bringing all four back at once
It's absolutely not viable, but I actually really like the idea of the cost system from the GameBoy Colour era YGO games. You have 400 "points" to build a deck and all cards are fair game, most cards are worth 10. Something like Pot of Green is worth like, 70. You could, say, run 3 copies of all 4 Dragon Rulers but that puts you at 350 points so your remaining 28 cards have to be complete and utter garbage. It's too much work to ever implement but it could open up a lot of interesting deck-building options.
@@sailorplanetmars6103 Konami just would have to print an extra number on the card, not like there aren't enough words and numbers on the cards these days
@@mr.moonthegoon4178 the printing isn't the hard part - the calculating is, not to mention the constant readjusting to shifting meta states. How else do you handle something like, for instance, Neo Spacian Aqua Dolphin suddenly and randomly exploding in power in the early Link era due to Isolde and 0 ATK handtraps? It goes from a totally useless 1-cost card to a moderately useful 4 or 5-cost card. The sheer number of cards that are technically available to deck builders in YGO (and having to assign costs to them all) is where the issues come in, and balancing around cards that are only powerful in very particular contexts.
New set: Forbidden Memories Includes errata'ed reprints of those 20 cards on the forbidden/limited list which only need their effects made into hard OPTs
It also features retrains of a whole bunch of old-school vanilla fusions to give them effects. Most notably, Sanwitch now has a retrain that does either pre-errata Sangan or pre-errata WotBF, with the exception of still being a hard OpT.
Once per turn on some and once per duel on others. It is far better than them reprinting a card, adding an additional paragraph of text, and then making the card basically unplayable or play nothing like it did before.
Just give us some Good Pyro/Volcanic Support. That should fix the game :) Day 779 of waiting for Good Pyro/Volcanic Support to arrive in the OCG/TCG..........
We need more weird formats that use cards in ways never done before, at least for fan-based online tournaments. Examples: 1# You can only build your deck with cards released on Odd or Even years 2# You must build your deck with cards only from Duel Links but must play on a standard TCG field 3# Only 1 copy of a card per deck (basically MTG Highlander) 4# Flip the rules of normal and special summoning (all the normal summons you want, 1 special summon per turn) It'd be a chaotic exercise in futility, but a fun one!
The first two formats are kinda meh. Firstly, knowing the years when a card came out isn’t going to draw in any new players. That’s going to push them away. Second, Duel links format is constantly changing, when do you consider something legal or not? The other two sound interesting tho, and many, including myself, want to see tag duels and even 3v3s come into an official format.
Amen. And GOAT is fun. I'd just love If there was a larger group for other historic formats, like Reaper or TOSS. Hell, just proper rules for Double Duels would be nice.
@@tootsie_ I've tinkered with this a lot and it would be hard to figure out things like commander tax for yugioh but im sure if we get enough great minds working on the issue, it could totally work. Honestly just the 1 card limit already sounds really cool and a larger deck to slow down the format.
@Christian Landa I think the issue with that is that they use entirely seperate cards, stuff like pauper (common cards only) and commander (1 card limit, 100 card main deck build around one creature/monster) would build all new demand for the cards and create unique play experiences
Duel Links style banlist? It would have to be scaled, of course, but the theory of limiting using different cards together as opposed to focusing on limiting cards individually is good, I think.
Limiting cards being used together is a horrible idea It is one of the most impractical suggestions I’ve ever heard - In an online environment it works, but in real life, being forced to remember cards not being able to be used together is just a massive headache
@@palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 It's not like every single YuGiOh Player has Internet access, right? And I mean, of course every player remembers the current banlist
@@rodrigoandrade256 It is a much bigger headache than the banlist we currently have It is much easier to view the cards that are banned, rather than the interactions they can do
@@palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 Okay, one of us doesn't understand how the duel links banlist works, and I stopped playing Duel Links a long time ago so there's a very real chance that it's me. But I THINK what Zero356 is saying is not what you're thinking, and a very cursory googling seems to back me up. It's not a case of "Okay, you can use three copies of Butterfly Dagger Elma if you want, but not with Gearfried the Iron Knight". Instead, the way it works is besides the very few cards that are just banned, you have a limited list where instead of 1 copy of each limited card, you get 1 limited card TOTAL. As in you can have one Cyber Stein OR one Dark Grepher OR one Speedroid Terror Top but not all three. Obviously the existing ban-and-limited list would need to be reworked to accommodate this. The Exodia pieces alone break it unless you had a traditional limited list along with this deck-limited list. But I could see some value to it. Pot of Greed, Graceful Charity, and Delinquent Duo suddenly become less of a no-brainer when you can only have one of them instead of one of each.
One of the ways to fix Yugioh is for Konami to make more sets like Duel Devastator. Another way is for Konami to stop cherry-picking reprints and have them be equal regardless of the cards being recently released or expensive like for example with the Freezing chains structure deck instead having the replacement for Crossout designator be Eisbahn the card could be Ice Dragon’s prison and have it be a super rare while Raigeki is a common.
The great thing about collectible card games is that you can implement any of these fixes for your own casual games with your friends. Outside of official tournaments, as long as everyone playing is in agreement, you don't actually need to adhere to official ban lists.
The main problem is that Yu gi oh had exponentially made its most basic interactions and mechanics obsolete or unintuitive. Normal Summoning is the most rare for of summoning, while Special is the most common. Setting a monster is useless unless it's for a very VERY specific function that brings enough advantage with enough speed to circumvent such action. Face-down for monsters has become a way of deactivating them and an undesirable condition except for, again, very specific situations. The graveyard has so many living effects that it's more like a purgatory or a standby area waiting for effects to trigger or do something. Banishing was going pretty much the same way until they made it banishing face-down, which in combination with regular banishing face-up shows how much of a mess the game is. Yu gi also has a problem that since all cards from the very beginning are also legal, they cannot really introduce any major change or solution without having to pretty much update everything that came before them. I love and hate this game so freaking much. The problem is that they might not make any changes at all, because in the short term any change is scarier than no change at all. No change means everybody is on the same page as they've always been, and changing anything too radically may alienate the player base, which is an extremely high risk move.
@@TheKaijudist if they rebooted the game, I’d prefer it if they started at around early DA format levels of strength. A lot of earlier formats often had turns where nothing happened and those after were often too explosive.
@@TheKaijudist Nah, that just kills one of the main draws of Yugioh. I know I wouldn't have gotten back into the game in 2017 if I couldn't update and play my Blackwings like I did as a kid.
The should start making cards that effect card economy. They don't destroy, they don't negate but the do offer a way to effectively check your opponent and give u a chance to play. And it's all control, combo is control going first, and the others go second. Unless your extremely lucky you never have an absolute perfect hand and that's why we have searchers. They've been making a lot of search cards forever and no real checks or balances against them. Maxx c was probably the first true check against them and they trash that by banning it, but if they start producing more cards with the idea of card economy in mind then we would have better duels and phase out this age of going first or die
The last one you mentioned gets thrown around a lot and nobody ever believes me whenever I say it’s just going to be the same format over and over again
@@andresraffler can't forget into the void because who needs a hand when you're gonna FTK, and every deck literally needs to main deck Droll too, and Maxx C to draw into droll, and then called by to counter those two, also sentry, confiscation to get hand knowledge before you combo. Oh man, YuGiOh is dumb.
Yeah, if you want to make everything a 3 of, you need to eratta literally everything on that list, and there is no way Konami is wasting time and money on making Pot of Greed viable when they've already printed 10 Pot of Greed alternatives... That said, I am partial to the effect "Your opponent can discard 1 Spell Card and draw 2 cards, otherwise draw 2 cards."
They just wanna be in their own little bubble, you can’t force them out. Also the sheer power of some of these cards are infuriating. And I guarantee you that if those players were on the receiving end of a gumblar hand loop, they’d change their mind instantly
I don't see how chess timers are more confusing than our current system of "ummms" and "hmms" and "uhhh hang on thinking" If anything tapping a chess timer would be far less ambigiuos.
I think Doug was stretching a little when he said that it would just be confusing. Upon playing a card, you would have to tap the button on your timer. If the opposite player doesn't have a response, he can just tap his timer and you can continue your turn normally. Sure it would fucking suck to have to press it every 5 seconds because of the game itself, but the cards on their own don't make the game. It's the players at the end of the day.
As someone with social anxiety around people I don't know, having a chess timer sounds like a really good idea. I always stop after every play to ask if my opponent is ok with my play in fear that if I just keep playing I'll play beyond where they wanted to play a card and by constantly stopping to ask if they're ok with my play I end up in fear that I'm annoying them by asking for confirmation after every play. ...It'd be really nice if it was just a standardized "make play, press button, wait for opponent to press other button, repeat"
Even on an empty turn, the timer is being hit 8 times for priority passing. Almost every action adds 4 more hits for the card to resolve and the resolution window. Entering and exiting the battle phase is another 4, and one battle would have 12 for attack declaration, battle step, start of damage calc, before damage calc, after damage calc, and end of damage step. And then finally 2 more hits for an empty MP2. Chess clocks for IRL Yugioh just would be extremely tedious if your trying to play the game properly. I would just play online if that's my experience playing Yugioh IRL
I think just clicking it when you want to think on opponent turn would be better, otherwise you would take top much time to click it for every singe thing
@@GiantCaliber you would only have to click if you have a response or want to view their cards, otherwise it would be just like normal each player has 15 minutes total to play (or whatever time limit you select at the start)
Saw you mention making this on stream and I patiently awaited it. Excellent work. Chess Timers are my favorite idea that I know full well is terrible and would be impossible to implement. I personally like the idea of rapidly passing the timer between myself and the opponent but, I can see how that’s not for everyone.
Its extra terrible in digital mediums due to how often the game will ask if you have a response, and obviously you can't just hold Chain Off all the time of you'll miss timings when you need them
That last argument is weird too, indeed every deck is the same right now not in the cards but in the style of play. Back then we had a smaller card pool that's why not only style but cards were the same, with the amount of cards we have right now that should be something of the past and sort of is, but the goal of every deck now is to fetch a negator from the extra as quickly as turn one, the only difference is how and who is summoned, that is a design flaw with so many decks with different play strategies now
@@DudeHunder functionally it's the same (actually slightly better bc it has more features) as DN, but it's not nearly as popular as DN was, which was a big reason DN was so great
I love it when ppl think that limiting summons "fixes" the game. Like bro, normal summon Aleister set 4 wouldn't be a meme anymore. Jokes aside tho, Konami would just start printing monster that are more powerfull on their own and don't need multiple steps to be summoned.
having a static special summon limit would probably break stuff, but a dynamic one perhaps wouldn't. Like for instance a limit on special summons equal to the turn count + 1
Honestly, I feel the general comment/complaint about limiting Special Summoning is less about just limiting the pure combos themselves, and more about limiting the ridiculous end states modern YGO first-turns have a tendency to end on. We've all seen the examples of people burning through half their deck or more on their first turn, and then ending that turn with so many negates and blocks that the other guy practically can't even play the game. Now I'm by no means an expert, far from it even, but I still feel safe to say that that's a serious problem.
You just described Dragon Link. Which is awful to watch in Replay on fast forward and I can't imagine how awful it is in person. Upside is, if they ban Elpi the deck dies.
And there is a bigger problem. In old Yu-Gi-Oh there were shorter turns, but one game could take minutes with just "I draw, your turn" "I draw, your turn" "I draw, set, your turn". To find a balance between infinite first-turn duels and infinite draw-do nothing duels is, i'll say, impossible, it's something you can't make, just happens, that why the Game reached something like that around synchro era, but lost it time later. The balance between broken game and broken power creep it's just too hard to find. Best thing You can do is play chill duels with rougue decks with friends
Ah-em *The banlist* - This issue does come up in yugioh from time to time, but,n general, the banlist ends all of these issues somewhat efficiently And Gouki/Dragonlink formats weren't the most fun formats to play, but in general, if you look at the current format, and if you look at many other formats in yugioh - You'll begin to notice that atm, the banlist has ended degeneracy very well Most people don't seem to have a problem with the current format, nor did they have a problem with Virtual World format, nor did they have a problem with Shaddoll-Spyral format, nor did they have a problem with TOSS format, for the reason that, because of the banlist - People don't make the ludicrous endboards they used to
And then every competitive Yu-Gi-Oh player will have to become a master of wing chun just to get the most out of those slaps so they hopefully can otk their opponent irl
They'd lose enough brain cells to forget how their combo works on the spot! They'd either make a really subpar board or have to use control/stun decks. Lol
About #2... just change by default every effect in *soft* opt, kinda like in Rush Duels, where the opt is implicit. It fixes most broken cards, and if the design of a card is intended to be activated multiple times with a cost (like, for example, Decode Talker) you can just add "This card's effect can be activated multiple times" (basically the opposite of what's now)
I've also said this a lot before, but adding a section to the forbidden and limited list that works like the "legend card" mechanic in Rush Duel would be excellent. You could move a lot of forbidden and limited cards to this section no problem, and it'd basically just work like Duel Link's limited list. Also, i think as a whole that Duel Links just has a better limited list system than the OCG/TCG. Why doesn't normal Yugioh operate like this? It clearly works.
I am surprised you didn't mention that in a limited special summoning format there would be still powerfull floagates and trap decks that are decent modernly and would be overpowered in that type of format.
Well Konami wrote about why they created the ban list a long time ago it was because there where a number of Cards that were just better than the cards they were creating and because the cards people already had was just flat out better than what was being created there was little to no real demand for the new cards so to increase sales they created the ban list banning some of the best cards in the game of which the 1st ban list almost entirely comprised of spell and trap cards with Chaos Emperor Dragon and Yata bieng the only monsters with the rest bieng cards like Ragaki, Harpie's Feather Duster, Change of Heart, ect. I don't remember the exact list as that was 16 years ago. So what did players do well they replaced those cards in thier decks with the next best options and adjusted thier play. Dark Hole replaced Ragaki, Heavy Storm replaced Harpie's Feather Duster ect. So the cards people replaced the ban Cards with were already released into the game so within the next ban list or 2 those cards started hitting the ban list as well. And to help make sure newer cards were staying in high demand they started making effects stronger and stronger and also making cards more and more themed decks where more and more Monster, Spell, Trap, and Extra Deck Monsters and thus the power creep that was clearly in the game but wasn't outrageous yet got kicked into hyper overdrive. Thus cards that originally got put on the ban list because they were just better than the cards they were making but at the time weren't actually broken but became broken if they had been allowed to be played in combantion with the newer more powerful cards and effects bieng created.
It's like a weird case of REVERSE power creep. Basically started out by making incredibly powerful cards, to the point that anything they made with a similar effect would be inherently worse. Though, in a vacuum with JUST some of the earliest sets those cards aren't THAT overpowered. Like, what's POG gonna get you in LOB format? A Summoned Skull or Swords of Revealing Light? A raigeki will likely destroy a tribute/La Jinn, or a face-down MEB. A HFD could destory a Swords of Revealing Light or a Trap Hole.
@@kyuubinaruto17 okay let's set up a little scenario. Your opponent has a Summoned Skull, a Mechanical Chaser, and a Rainbow Fish, along with a Mirror Force and a Magic Cylinder in his back row. You have no field and 2 1800 Atk monsters and a Summoned Skull in your hand and your life points are almost gone. Your draw you top deck Graceful Charity you play it and draw a pot of Greed, Change of Heart, and a Harpie's Feather Duster, you discard the 2 1800 point monsters to the graveyard you play Harpie's Feather Duster destroy your opponents back row you play Pot of Greed what does that do you ask? That let's you draw 2 cards from your deck (lol couldn't help myself) so you draw Ragaki Monster Reborn. You play Change of Heart on any of there monsters you sacrifice there monster for your Summon Skull play Ragaki destroying thier Field and play Reborn on there Summon Skull (assuming no one has Blue Eyes in there Graveyard. Attack for 5000 and if that wasn't enough to win the game then you are primed to barring a miracle top deck on there count. Yeah I know I picked some choice draws for both Graceful Charity and Pot of Greed. The point is there was a time where bieng able to have both Ragaki and Harpie's Feather Duster in your hand at the same time meant a complete board wipe for your opponent and depending how much stuff they put in there back row that could potentially be a back breaker. Heck if you had a Axe of Despair or 2 along with a Maha Vilo and a Monster Reborn and a Premature Burial that alone could potentially be enough to 1 shot your opponents 8000 life points. While they may not create cards that by themselves may not be as strong as those older cards were they often create cards that synergies with other cards in themed decks so well they can create almost infinite loops within those decks making them exponentially more powerful than anything created in early Yugioh.
Anyone who says that decks are totally the same these days is just looking at the very top tier meta decks that are getting tops the most consistently. Even then, the variety in tech options and just how much you can do with siding is miles better than looking at the first YGO World Championship deck profile and even Yata-lock and then Teledad years. The game is in a really good spot in my opinion; even among the legal staple cards there are choices and variations depending on how certain picks interact with the current meta and even synergize in your deck.
I think the answer is definitely formats designed to be slower or open up the card pool some. Somewhat like the Battle Packs. Make it like: -Can only play a single copy of any card (unless it requires dupes to work) -50 card deck -double the life total Something like that. Either that or revisit Battle Packs but make them more worthwhile to play for advanced players by including actual high value cards. Even if not meta, Battle Packs seemed like a great place to do alt-arts, or some of the weird unimported OCG monsters. And instead we got the somewhat bland shatter/mosaic rares.
The way to fix Yugioh is to shift back to Duelist Kingdom rules. Every card has specific interactions with every other card in the game, and the rules and effects for most cards or interactions come down to whoever comes up with the cooler effect.
It would be interesting if you would give your thoughts on how to make yugioh a better game in general. I've tried introducing people into the game but they always say its too complex or the rules change to often and its confusing.
Whoever says the rules change too often are idiots. Master rules are years apart, and while daunting at first, the basics get you through pretty well. Judges are the ones who need to know all the rules, not the players. The more a player knows, the better they might perform against worst players, but with equal knowledge, it’s not gonna make a difference. He gave some thoughts at the beginning of the video (Lower card prices, online simulator).
I feel like Duel Links is currently the game's best hope. A fully digital platform where instead of a banlist cards can just be eratta'd as need be. The problem is that if the physical version stops production, a massive amount of players won't jump over to the digital version. Also Konami seems to have a policy that Duel Links' cards and their TCG counterparts be at least somewhat similar, which really limits what erattas Duel Links can make. Also, if they effectively utilize erattas to prevent power creep, no one will be forced to keep buying card packs to keep up with the meta.
Yugioh is probably one of the toughest games for a new player to get into. I first started playing when there were only a couple of basic types of monsters (normal, effect, fusion, toon, etc) and mostly simple card text (with a few exceptions), and I was able to watch the game expand and grow, from a simple numbers game, to an archtyepe-focused game, with a new summoning mechanic added every few years, with lots of time to adapt to the new cards and archtypes. I can't imagine coming into the game now with literally hundreds of different archtypes, and nearly a dozen monster types. At this point in time, the only way to make Yugioh a more approachable game is to start over completely, which is what Duel Links (and now Turbo Duels) has done. They shaved off almost the entirety of the extra deck mechanics, and removed a ton of problem cards, while keeping the archtype and combo driven aspects of the game, as well as massively limiting the card pool. Duel Links introducing new summoning mechanics every few years allowed all the new players to learn and adapt, just as we did back in the olden days.
@@1sdani Whats funny to me is that Sangan is still in his pre-errata form where you can play the monster he fetchs immediately, but Witch of the Black Forest that released recently has her "can't activate the card or its effects the turn you fetch it" errata
There’s definitely a high barrier to entry, and such a high skill wall (as well as needing a card index with intricate knowledge of interactions) that it really does seem overcomplicated for someone who just wants to sit down and play a game. For instance, I’ve been out of Pokémon TCG since... Gym Challenge, or so. I opened the app, set up, and I’m 100% comfortable playing any deck I’m handed by the game, and I think I want to actually get back into it beyond that. I try EDOPro, or look at Duel Links, and I’m completely lost, because even core mechanics have changed - hell, I got out before 5Ds, so I didn’t even know about Tuners for a while. They even changed the shape of the playfield twice! Once for Pendulum (though now that’s back to normal) and once for Links. So I don’t know what’s going on. I understood (vaguely) Synchro, didn’t even know about Dark Synchro until I heard about the new Ursarctics and people mentioned their mechanic was similar. I figured out Xyz. I can get some of what’s happening otherwise, but the point is I just don’t know enough of the cards, the mechanics, or the archetypes to make the game enjoyable.
@@elementalherosparkman168 Anyone whose competent with the combo won’t take ten minutes. And online makes it a lot slower, so try it in person when you can
@@NewtBannner that's what the discussion is about. How long is too long? If the player is taking too long, maybe there should be a penalization (not really for now since we all agree the chess timer wouldn't work).
I always felt like normal monsters need a buff because they are worthless compared to effect monsters. I would really like to see normal monsters being normal summoned without tributing and more than once a turn. I mean they are literally NORMAL monsters. that way you would be able to normal summon multiple big normal monsters or special summon multiple effect monsters to kinda balance them in deck building.
I like your idea but multiple summons of any normal monsters creates problems. Maybe just one extra summon per turn if the second summon is a normal. AND... Skill Drain to 3. But I'm in favor of a limit to special summoning. 3 - 4. Maybe 5.
@@jeffjordan1242 damn yall jeffs are pushing the mystic mine agenda. Skill drain is one of those you dont get to play cards like mystic mine, summon limit, tcboo, inspector boarder, etc... you already have the tools for the unfunny, skill drain to 3 would just be more unfun
An idea I've been kicking around, what if instead of banning certain cards, we just ban certain combinations of cards in decks? That way we can bave less cards on the banlist overall. Like, make it illegal to have all the dragon rulers in one deck. Or having specific tuners in the same deck with problematic link monsters
The normal summon + tribute summon every turn would probably work better as part of a field spell than as a master rule 6 addition. And instead of a special summon limit, more cards that work like nibiru (similar to the variety of ghost girl hand traps) could be pretty cool.
@@mauritiusblackwell3990 And that's how Dogamtika and Eldlich become the best deck in the game, i mean in my Eldlich Dogmatika deck on my best tour1 board i only do 4 special summons.
6:42 Broke: Implementing a special summon limit is a good way to nerf combo decks Woke: Implementing a special summon limit is good because it'll convince Konami to put Aleister on the banlist
Yu-gi-oh! was born broken. You can't bring something to a not-broken format if it never had one. Since the beggining decks that should work don't work and those that shouldn't just work, and there is no reasonable explanation for such. In other words, just play the game and have fun.
Issue is, when trying to start the game, especially as someone without knowledge of other card games, getting into yugion was frustrating, boring, and rage inducing as i would start a game, wed draw, and the ither player would quit because they sisnt get the perfect hand. And i absolutely agree that playing the gane ti have fun is the way to go, BUT this doesnt work if the community only ever gives hyper comvos as basic advice
@@pablocruz5613 If your problem is about getting bad hand all the time or you need perfect hand to play though, then the problem is the deck you are playing
But that would hint at and actual good anime, like season 1. Season 1, despite not following consistent rules with the card game, was a well-paced anime. In Season 2, it sort of got too invested in itself, having the drab city tounament last far too long, so much so it needed a filler arc to give viewers a time to breathe 100+ episodes of wishy-washy stakes. Season 1 had a clear villain Pegasus, who straight up kidnapped Yugi's Grandpa unannounced with no reason other than being an asshole. What's Yugi's drive in season 2? Oh, stop some guy from getting 3 cards. Yes Mokuba will generally get kidnapped for a few episodes, but other than Kaiba getting some cool cards and revenge he desperately deserves, there's not much passion in the art style or story. And it got worse from there
I think the first thing to start a big change in the game is to have the ocg an tcg have the same pool of cards at the same time there isnt a good reason to have that separation
The problem comes with that releases are a lot harder to plan in that regard. We have two different ban lists too so it'd be hard to get a world wide release for everything, especially cards that are supposed to be exclusive at first
@@ConductorElcrest yeah but wee could easily have one banlist its what they do every year for the world tournament Secondly it isnt that hard a worldwide release its the same they didnt have to change anything maybe have traductions being a little bit quicker but the fans already do that And for the exclusive cards the point of having the same card pool is to have the same game here or there so exclusive tcg or ocg card archetypes wouldn't exist
While they do do it for worlds it’d done far differently than most banlists. Let’s take into account that both have their own limits and unlimits. With worlds it’s easy because you just take the lowest number a card is at and boom, you got it on there. That is FAR different when combining lists as you have to consider what’s more healthy for tcg, ocg, what shouldn’t and what should, how timing should be done. At face value it sounds good but it creates too many problems. Second, world wide releases are harder to do than you think. While having a set in stone world wide release for a game is easy that is because it’s only one product and they’re not doing multiple products within a short time span. With Konami, it would be multiple products in that time span, if something gets messed up that costs a lot of money. I agree that releasing cards faster should happen but world wide releases add more problems for konami than solutions sadly.
@@ConductorElcrest Okey fist for the list they wouldn't need to consider the ocg or the tcg because the reason that we have different banlist amd formats its because we have differents card pools so if we manage to have the same card pool the idea would be to make one banlist because everybody will have the exact same tools to play Second konami already do releases in a big scale thats why they have 2 company's that print cards for the tcg one in the US and one in Belgium and one in differents parts in Asia, the process wouldn't change they will only need to organize but it doesn't change that much because if we get the same cards we would need extra sets so their would be any sort of time we're they will be overwhelmed The biggest problem would be the beginning of this process were only in the tcg part they will have to print bigger sets or give us a special set In the ocg would be a lot easier because they get almost every tcg exclusive card by the end of each year that card was printed
@@mathibell5236 For the banlist point you're not getting what I'm saying- I'm saying even if we had the same card pools how people play is entirely different. Upstart is at 3 in the OCG but it's at 1 in the TCG. Our meta's are different to the point where two banlists are needed. That's why the split happened in the first place, cards that were having no results here were having results in the ocg and caused them to be hit instead of the actual meta in the tcg. Same card pool seems like it solves this idea but it doesn't and all it does is make the banlist more bloated. The players and the way they think are just completely different. Yes, Konami does releases on a big scale- We all know this... But world wide releases are REALLY different from a business standpoint. Also yes, if we get the same cards we would need extra sets or a really big set. I'm glad you agree with that but it feels like you're going against your point seeing as it's very easy to be overwhelmed in that regard. OCG does get every tcg exclusive by the end of every year, true. Due to being manufactured in Japan OCG will always have the leg up on cards and getting sets first as it's far easier. However you must take into consideration multiple things, there would need to be a translation for all these cards, then they would need to get production set up, and then would need to make sure worldwide everything is good. However it moreso seems like this is an easy cause of misprints and the like. So from a business stand point I personally don't think it would be as good for Yu-Gi-Oh.
I still think they should do a low-key reset on the banlist, moving everything up that could semi-reasonably come off just to see what’s still broken today. Things like trap dustshoot, the infernities, divine wind of mist valley, night assailant, etc. come to mind
I feel duel links has the right idea for a ban list or 'limited' list might be better. How many people would choose pot of greed over any other single card in the ban list for example
You know what was fun? Ever wanted Yu-Gi-Oh with a mana system? Yu-Gi-Oh World Championship 2011: Over the Nexus had Turbo Duels which had a permanent field spell Speed World 2. Spell Cards other than "Speed Spell" Cards cannot be activated. During each player's Standby Phases, each player places 1 Speed Counter of their own on this card (up to 12 each). You can remove Speed Counters of your own and reveal 1 "Speed Spell" Card in your hand to apply the following effects. ●4 Counters: Inflict 800 damage to your opponent. ●7 Counters: Draw 1 card. ●10 Counters: Destroy 1 card on the field. With spells being made generally slower by requiring an amount/cost of speed counters to activate, it does promote the use of trap cards.
And if you have ever played by those rules you know that just means people play with fewer spell cards. There are plenty of decks that can full combo with very few spell cards. This just slightly shifts the meta.
In order to close the gap between combo and control decks, I think that konami should make either make backrow more "faster" and more recursive. Or make really strong blow out cards that specifically work against combo. There's like 8+ ways to get rid of backrow and only 2 or 3 good ways to break strong board of negates. Or make a handtrap that's really strong against combo as well. Maybe like a handtrap that does what summon limit does but only lasts until the end of your next turn. (Decided to include end of next turn to prevent combo decks from using it as many cards that are intended to be used against combo decks are usually used in them.) Also, I think missing the timing should not be a thing. All card effects should not be able to miss timing. Missing the timing is one of the most confusing mechanic/ rule in the game and probably has the most potential for misplays and for people to forget it.
Haven't watch the video yet but a idea I had was have ritual cards in the extra deck. Now ritual cards have effects in hand. So maybe make there placement optional. You can either add them to your deck or extradeck
The biggest fix for me would be to stop making Archetype boss monsters too generic. It causes too many situations where the archetype the monster is a part of gets invalidated because another deck can abuse its monster better and can lead to a decks best monster getting banned because another unrelated deck was abusing it. This can sometimes lead to the archetypes those boss monsters belong to being unplayable. Generic bosses should be kept separate from archetype bosses for this reason. This would allow for the increase in the power ceiling for those bosses since they are locked into the archetypes and allow more archetypes to be competitive because they have these stronger bosses at their disposal even though they may not be as flexible as the weaker but still powerful generic bosses. Also this would possibly reduce the number of bannings and create a wider variety of meta strategies in the future.
Yo Dzeeff, while I agree with you for the most part, in the sense that, implementing some of these changes will have unintended side effects that the person suggesting them did not see. In the light that some cards will instantly become broken if you do X and other will become worse if you do Y. However, what I do not think you're seeing is that, if you truly want to fix the game, you need to fundamentally change how the game is played. There isn't anything you can realistically change about the game that'll make everyone happy, but also keep the balance of power currently in the game. And konami isn't against this idea either, links are probably the best example of this. And before people say "Konami never said, links were intended to fix the game / slow it down", yes I know that. But you can't deny, that links did change how the game is played and also had the same effects on the game that you just described. When links were introduced to the game 2 major things happened. The first is that the pendulum summoning mechanic instantly became the worst main summoning mechanic in the game. You could not realistically play any pendulum deck and expect to win without getting seriously lucky. And that's still the case for 98% of pendulum decks. In the entire life span of links, we have only had 2 pendulum decks have competitive success, that being pendulum magicians and Endymion. Despite the fact that pendulums just a few master rules ago were always some of the best strategies to play. Hell even some deck strategies became worse than they already were. Ghostricks being the first thing that comes to mind. Summon a link monster and you instantly counter ghostricks. The other major change to happen to the game when links were introduced was any token generating effect was now busted despite prior to links, tokens were entirely useless. Grinder Golem, Scapegoat, Gofu, Steam the cloak, etc. If a card could generate a ton of tokens for free, you were instantly a god tier card and would lead to some busted combos or insane advantage. Those two examples you gave for some cards becoming overpowered and others becoming worse, has already happened. Pendulums and ghostricks being volcanics. And Tokens being vanity's ruler, majesty's fiend, etc. If people truly want to fix the game, as I said in the beginning something fundamentally will have to change. And if that's case, people are just going to have to accept that, some decks, cards, and strategies will be useless or garbage afterwards and some will be really busted. That's just the way it is. So at this point why not? I personally think the limitation of special summoning would be the fix this game needs. Because the one of the biggest complaints about the game is that boards are too oppressive. And the only reason they are that oppressive, is because people are able to special summon an infinite amount of times to get to that oppressive board. Yea, some decks will be useless and wouldn't be able to play effectively, but again, it's not like that already hasn't happened. Also another thing you didn't mention in your video, specifically for the cards that will become overpowered is that, yea they will become instantly, but they won't be in the game forever. That is what the banlist is for after all. Anyways, hope I don't sound angry or anything I am just giving my opinion, love your content though :3c TLDR: The things you said why some of these fixes wouldn't work has already happened in the game in someway due to a change, so why not.
THIS right here, Special summon limit i think is mandatory at this point, Special summons are esssentialyl just unlimited normal summons at this poitn with how easy they are to fullfill, and since so many links also has a Resurrection effect that special summons a monster from the GY. Remmeber Special summons didnt need a limit in the old days because 1 they were limited to Extra decks summons, and 2 any main decks that can specila summon have very niche requirements, ( Discard 1 then special summon, Can only be special summoned if you control no monsters, special summon if youre opponant controls 2 or more monsters of the same attribute) they were very ew of them and they werent easy to bring out in mass, you had to meet certain conditions for each one, so they were inherently limited in how many you can special summon do to those factors. now theres just so much i special summon this, then Bing bang boop i have 4 monster sont he field, i Link 4 summon my Boss. oh now i special summon 4 more and anouther link 4. because its so easy to do and way too many decks have revival effects build in. and yet Monster reborn is banned xD
You're missing his point entirely. Sure, limit them to 5. Then the best deck would be the one to get the most Omnegates on the board with 5 special summons. It wouldn't change anything. Also, players weren't the ones who introduced Links to the game. Konami was. This was done on purpose. They have created a game that has lasted over 20 years and is arguably more popular than ever. They know what they are doing. If they come down with a special summon limit, then so be it. I'd trust them. But I doubt the limit would be 5. It'd probably be 8 or 10. Let the professionals do their work.
Okay so maybe not “Unban all cards” but how about a *Conditional* Ban List? You can run any one Dragon Ruler, but only the one. You can have EITHER Gearfried the Iron Knight OR Butterfly Dagger Elma, but not both. Lots of cards are banned because of how they interact with specific cards, so maybe just keep them separated and it could open up more diversity in deckbuilding.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention people who play decks that are dead to 1 hand trap wanting all handtraps banned because "back in my day, there were no handtraps!" Even though there totally were, they just weren't as popular. (Heck, ever heard of Gorz? Lol. Completely changed the way we attack in battle phase)
I don’t like how the game has progressed heavily to hand traps. Yes, Gorz, Veiler, etc were still used in the game but you can still kind of work around it and decks weren’t entirely dead when they were played hand traps nowadays literally are designed to say nope to whatever your opponent is doing. The problem is with the speed of the game and hand traps are not the answer to it. Back in the day, hand traps were optional and did help. Now it is mandatory, or you’ll be steamrolled.
@@xXRagingInfernoXx and in master duel for example, they fucking limit the counter handtrap cards like designator and called by the grave while having all the handtraps known to man unlimited, it's fucking infuriating cause the chance i start with called by the grave is so low, so even tho i put it in my deck is still just won't help against things like ash cause ash shows up 50% more often and if you don't start with a counter handtrap, and you're running a deck that doesn't "🗿" at negations, then there's absolutely nothing you can do but play and hope they don't have them
This wouldn't be a solution in itself, but I do believe Negates brought a game to a worse state - Not negate's fault, but design's. 1. Negate should be a really OP effect. The fact it isn't anymore, makes not only the decks stronger (A deck that can play over 3 interruptions is really bad - And the fact that any deck has 3 interruptions on turn 0 is also bad) but creates the need for more and more negations, one thing feeding the other 2. It has been limiting the card design. Seems like EVERY SINGLE end-board monster has a negation. If you end with 2 monsters, you'll have at least 2 negations. The fun of YuGiOh is the diversity or archetypes and card effects, and now we have a diversity of archetypes but the diversity of effects is really low.
@@rodrigoandrade256 Yeah, Dzeef made a good video on what he calls 'negation fatigue' which is why I thought he'd cover it. I agree that negation is way overused, it should probably be saved for terrible decks like War Rocks or Krawlers to give them SOMETHING lol
The power scaling has got out of hand. With certain combos you can literally prevent you opponent from playing the game. The game needs to be slowed down and cards need to be nerfed.
I hear this but I disagree. I think now going second is as strong as ever with cards like DRNM, nibiru, Super poly and kaijus. While boards are strong you have a lot of cards available that can break them these days
What does "fix yu-gi-oh" really means? Make it slower? Make it more accessible to new players? I think everyone has a different way to describe "fixing" in his own mind. But, I will give my crazy idea: Master Rule 6: Each player MUST include at least X number of non-effect monsters in his deck and/or extra deck. And let's see how this will change the game dynamics :P
Every single deck would play 9 of the same cards, 3 Pot of Greed, 3 Charity, and 3 Droll. Now, even the most inconsistent of FTKs became stupidly more consistent.
@@ShiaSpirit Don't forget Dark World Dealings, and you know there's people who would still run Pot of Ava or Duality or Extra, regardless, the draw power would become absurd, even 1 Graceful Charity is wildly powerful
Also a good solution to restrict Special Summoning too much would be that a monster cannot be sent to the graveyard/banished in order to summon another monster if it was Special Summoned this turn. And we could make an exception for Tribute Summon (as it is the only advanced summon method considered to be Normal Summon) to give it the significant boost it needs.
They should fix Ritual Summoning and allow players to Ritual Summon a Ritual Monster from the hand OR deck (instead of from the hand only) with the appropriate Ritual Magic. Let's be honest: Ritual Summoning was supposed to be THE best way of summoning boss monsters at the very beginning of Yu-Gi-Oh (and the mechanics make sense from a logical point of view), but then they made Ritual Summoning useless to favor, instead, other Special Summon mechanics that DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE from a logical/historical/magical point of view (Synchro, Xyz, Pendulum, Link). Very sad that modern Yu-Gi-Oh lost all its charm and taste...
I've had this idea floating in my head. It probably (actually, most likely) won't work, but basically: A contextual banlist. i.e. Cards that are banned only if you're running other kinds of cards. This way, you can ban cards from certain decks but not others, because so often certain players will lose vital key pieces of their decks due to other decks that are leeching off their cards. Remember when A-Assault Core was Limited just because of Firewall Dragon? A contextual banlist could say: "A-Assault Core is at 1, but only if you're playing Firewall Dragon too." Same with something like Dragon Buster Destruction Sword that only got banned because of a fucking truck.
Tbh, the tribute summon one isn't a terrible idea. But the issue isn't stuff like vanity's (which, yeah, it's broke), but it would also full everything up with the tribute summon extendrs. Lie the psychic lad that just special summons 2 level 3 psychics from deck for free. Literally a double E tele on a normal summon body
Yeah, nutty stuff like that. But tbh, I would love to see what a format would look like if a few tournaments were run with this rule. Would it just be stuck with vanity's being broke, and maybe we are overblowing it? Or would it be lots of crazy shit happening? We can talk about theory all we want, I wanna see it happen at a larger scale to see what it would be like. It's 100% not a good idea, but it sounds fun
@@beybl7869 Your philosophy reminds me a lot of what you can sometimes see in competitive Pokémon (the video games not the TCG, specifically the community lead singles format) where sometimes people just decide "Hey, wouldn't it be fun to like ....... throw shit at the wall and see if it sticks or not ?" Like in gen 5 when they unbanned every legendary with 600 Stats (and later on Kyurem Black as well) just to see what would happen. It was a chaotic mess, most of it got banned again very quickly, some of it stayed for a long while before being deemed unhealthy and others just stuck and were just fine, even though most people prior would probably not have guessed it. I think that this philosophy is actually very good and healthy, sure it may lead to bad metagames and some unhealthy things, but it teaches way more than doing nothing and can sometimes prove that "shit's actually fine". So yes, I am all for single formats (probably some alternative side formats that aren't enforced everywhere) where this type of experiment is carried out
8:40 this is very noticeable in duel links! If you have a chainable effect, the game flips to your controll during your opponents turn. Not only does that actually slow down the game, it also gives the opponent the information that you have a chainable effect, even if its face fown or in your hand. Or more, it tells your opponenent when you DON'T have a chainable effect! Which is very valuable! As most disruptions are chainable effects.
I think special summoning restrictions might at least be interesting in an alternate format design for beginners. I think ygo's gotten a lot harder to get into for both new players and returning players, so just having a slower format exist for them to ease into would be cool. Of course it would still have its own meta and problems, but as long as it "looks easier," then I think that's the important part. That being said, I don't know how much work would have to go into constructing and managing that format. I imagine it would need its own banlist depending on what rules are implemented.
Long comment here. I used to play the game from when it came out to about 2014. Coming back recently has been like returning to an entirely different game. I think Yugioh's core problem is also what makes it interesting compared to other popular card games. The fact that any card ever printed can still be used in tournaments as long as it's not banned. This seems like a fun rule at first but looking at the game overall the different formats a major pattern appears. The game keeps getting faster and the cards keep becoming more and more powerful. Konami has to keep printing newer and better cards to sell products or else people will just keep their old strategies. There's a reason people aren't playing tournaments with glad beasts or teledad anymore, and it's not the ban list. Compare the amount of text on cards now to say 10 years ago. Every single card is packed to the brim with effects to make it as good and strong as possible. Dragoon is possibly the best example of power creep I've ever seen, the card has packed as many broken effects on it as they could think of. I don't see an easy solution to this issue. The game will just continue to get faster until it's just completely not fun. For me, it's already reached that point. Sure there is variance between formats, but the rule of large numbers certainly has shown a pattern here. There isn't an easy fix to this either. When thinking of any solution to fixing yugioh you have to think about it from a business perspective. Konami absolutely will not make any decisions that hurt its sales and revenue. I think creating a new format where only certain sets can be used could help, but again that would just take away what makes the game interesting. Another idea I had going on your first idea regarding rule changes would be a player ability mechanic similar to duel links. Each player would choose a player ability which allowed them to do something extra. Your example was being able to tribute in addition to a normal summon. The drawback here would be the player would have to forego using any other ability so it wouldn't immediately break vanity's fiend ect. I don't see anything changing tbh, yugioh is as big as ever and Konami isn't going to change a thing until thats reflected in their sales.
Agree with everything except the point about power being relative. While thats true, it is not a justification for unchecked power creep. Most people would agree there is a point where power level and interaction complexity (this was in response to a point about limiting special summons) are too low that the fun factor suffers. Also, there's a point where it's too high. Even if there are decks/cards of relatively higher and lower power in either of these paradigms, it doesn't follow that there's a golden mean somewhere to be found. I haven't really thought about it enough to have a position on the possibility of limiting special summons, just a logical point.
As an old player that tried to return to YGO and failed several times, there is a big gap in the old and new playstyles. Looking at new decks over the years, it felt like you had to play Synchros or you couldn't win shortly after they came out, same happened for XYZs later, and Link monsters now. And as someone that learned to play when Rituals and Fusions were fairly rare, its hard to really understand how the new stuff works and really feels like you have to use the new stuff to beat the new stuff. Even when Synchros were brand new, it felt like any new Fusion monsters were just as useless as old ones and you had to use Synchros to keep up. Otherwise, turn three you were hoping to get out a 2 tribute monster while your opponent had something like Stardust out already. Its not an easy thing for older players that didn't keep up with it to get back into it as a result, you pretty well have to forget what you knew about the game and relearn everything from scratch. That's the closest issue I've seen to "everyone uses this card", aside from it being because they haven't updated the ban list yet and it deserves to be there because its broken and everyone is riding the "guaranteed win" train.
I want a full power graceful charity format just to see what kind of decks it could actually break I think it would be so much fun if only for a few weeks.
That kind of format has been workshopped to death, assuming both players are trying to win the result would be you and your opponent playing RPS, and whoever wins RPS wins the match. There are so many FTK decks in YGO history that had to be banned, that unbanning everything would just make the game "who can build the most reliable FTK deck".
- do a hard reset (i don't think there is not a other way to "balance" the game) - limit the quanitity of special summons or "limit" the way how easy the special summons is - don't give every theme deck or generic card a "i negate stuff" element - make decks not play by themself so you just have to learn combos kinda easy xD
Step two: remove links they are dumb to make a change in the very structure of your game is borderline insane,even now they are kinda broken since they are way less restrictive than other summoning methods
Amazing video, would love to see more of those. Time to give my suggestion: Over the course of the first two turns, each player can only activate up to 5 cards in total. So for example if the player that goes second chooses to activate a handtrap, they can now only activate up to 4 cards when their turn comes around. Similarly the first turn player can only activate cards on his opponents first turn if he did not activate all 5 cards during the first turn. From the third turn onward the game would just be normal yugioh, so you can still combo off and everything. The change just ensures that both players can make some sort of setup. Would love to know what the flaws of this idea are.
Let me put one suggestion that came to mind. Restrict Negation. A lot of the problems ive been seeing in modern YGO is the boards always end in 9+ negates on near unbreakable monsters. So what if we just restrict negations? Like, you get one card type negation per turn. LIke for example, your pot of extragevence gets ashed. Thats the "Spell" negated. So now your opponent cant negate any more spells that turn. Likewise for Summon, Mon-Effect, and Traps. That way its only 4 negates and your opponent has to figure out what to negate on your combo.
I dont think there is a way to fix YuGiOh. The changes needed to address the common issues with the game, and it's accessibility, would result in essentially an entirely new card game. Maybe that is what YuGiOh needs though, a spinoff with substantially different mechanics. (Not just scaled back mechanics like we see in speed duels. )
I don't mind the banlist, but I do kinda wish that they'd rotate in some of the forbidden cards to be limited for a format or two, just so that those cards could see a little bit of use again.
That's a silly reason to unban cards. Oh please konami could you unban colossus for a format so I can play my thunder dragon deck? Like you can play with banned cards in casual duels if everyone agrees. But the list is for competitive formats and there are reasons konami won't just put delinquent duo back at 1 or even 3 for a format
@@iBenjamin1000 I think it would be good for competitive formats because it would give the game a way to routinely check the power on certain cards to see if they're still a problem (and no, casual play is not a good enough way to check this). As it is, a ton of cards are just permanently on the banlist and some of them could probably come back to 1 or even 3 but we'll never know because Konami refuses to test it.
@@InvaderWeezle They bring back what won’t be a problem and helps sell product. And I think they were testing things when they gradually made the burning abyss monsters the had limited semi then unlimited (I think they semied them first). Some stuff just needs to stay banned or limited. But I do think they should test some stuff. Tribe infecting virus was on the list for way too lonh
my response to these suggestions: 5)well....I kinda have to agree with this one.if the game started like this then it could have worked,it is too late to implement this. 4)as about making all soft once per turn to hard once per turn I don't see many things wrong with it,sure some cards will become underpowered or even useless,but the benefit will outweight the harm. konami can just print new better cards. as about turning all the effects to once per turn.....well I don't mind that either. naturia beast can go fuck itself. 3)I don't see anything wrong with that,the turns get shorter,the game becomes more accessible fun and balanced. the decks you mentioned where they "can special summon a lot in a single board but their end board isn't that good"are probably decks that are underpowered and underused,destroying the combo decks is more important. 2)okay I agree,the chess timers will never happen. 1)I agree with the existence of the banlist too,it may not always be enjoyable to see a card getting banned/limited but unfortunately we need it.
The argument of limiting special summons harming some decks isn't a strong one. There will always be decks that are stronger than others. The benefit of shortening turns and reducing degenerate opening boards far outweigh that small downside of harming some decks. If a deck has 20 special summons a turn and lasts 5 minutes, it should be harmed, even if it isn't that good.
The whole point of archetypes like mayakashi, T.G and code talkers, is that they climb, restricting the amount of summons per turn leaves their board in an unplayable and underwhelming state, despite these decks not often seeing play, they still have a following of people trying to innovate and maximize the potential of these strategies. The argument in the last sentence just doesnt make sense.
I've been playing some online CCGs and a lot of them have a format of bring 3 decks opponent bans 1 and you have to win with the other 2 in order to win the round instead of the main deck side deck format of most physical TCGs. I wonder if having every card unbanned and inmplementing a format like that except no cards can be used in multiple decks would make things more intresting and ballenced. if you wanna run 3 pot of greed and 3 graceful charity, sure. but only in one of the 3 decks you bring. or maybe up it to 5 decks with 2 bans who knows. that'd be a cool format.
I've been using a couple fun fixes with my friends and wanted to know what everyone thought. Essentially they are extra deck power limiters because at the end of the day in modern yugioh that's where every play is trying to get to. Fix 1 - your extra deck must be made up of all cards from a single archetype OR all be the same color. This basically makes it impossible to abuse cards outside of their intended purpose. Fix 2- limiting the extra deck to 5 or 10 cards. This greatly restricts the combo and extender pieces you can play.
@@AlphaSquadZero Those are fair points but I'm not talking about attributes when I say color im referring to the idea that you can ONLY have synchro OR xyz OR pendulum OR link OR fusion but not a combination of them. The one exception would be if you commit to a single archetype. For instance Red Eyes has fusion monsters and xyz within it's archetype. So if wanted you could play both of those as long you commit to playing a Red Eyes extra deck, button then every card in your extra deck would have to be a Red Eyes.
As someone who plays Warhammer 40k, chess clocks sound totally doable from someone who plays a game with constant back and forth. You shoot me? I have dice to roll and abilities to use, I use my timer for it and you use yours for yours or we both agree that our whole turn is on our own time responses and all Edit: Clock opinion aside, keep up the good work
it sounds doable but in practice, if you think about all the cards you have it gets a bit silly especially if you don't know all your effects, cause its not just field. its monster zone, spell trap zone, graveyard,hand, extra deck(?)
@@likky1 In exchange, this applies as well in 40k. If you need to look up your rules; its on your time. Units, army, rulebook, mission, campaign book. It asks players to learn their own rules in a competitive setting
yes, you can also add some restrictions, like you only get your additional tribute summon per turn if the monster(s) it uses is a level lower, for example if you were level 4, you can summon an additional tribute to a level 5. in this ways you can balance the mechanic and don't happen nothing crazy like vanity's fiend or use low level monster easy to summon.
@@valdesdanielh6253 oh i didn't even mean something balanced i meant i wouldn't mind seeing it unrestricted just cause it sounds like a cool concept on the side, but i suppose if the format is too cancerous you could do that
When he was talking about how crappy tribute summoning has become I thought people were starting to suggest going full Duelist Kingdom rules where you don't need to tribute to bring out high level monsters. Glad it was something more reasonable.
exclude cards from each other so you cant play card x and card y together but can play just card x or card y. could be useful for problems like crystron Halquifibrax so that people could play certain tuners but not crystron Halquifibrax or the other way around. would probably still be a lot of effort to have something like this due to deciding what cards can and what cant go together.
Ok here’s another one I 100% stand by: they should just throw out “missing the timing”, it’s so broken and messy, it still makes no sense to me (when and if, mandatory, fucking really?) and some archetypes like Gustos would be WAY better with this ruling deleted. Fuck missing the timing and fuck when/if, it’s an archaic ruling and should have been phased out of the game a long time ago.
I still and always will stand by that the Extra Deck number should be ticked up to 20--with how tight the space is now between Fusions and Xyz and especially Links, more space to play extenders or boss monsters would be really appreciated.
I disagree. If you want to play some combo that requires 10 extra deck slots, then you should have to sacrifice some versatility to do that. If you can have everything you want, the choice is meaningless.
Honestly I think adding in new formats or different ways to play would help a ton. Like a Standard format. Limiting players to only the last 2 years of sets. It’s hard playing with a eternal format all the time. Sometimes it’s great to play with a limited card pool and not have to worry about over 10,000 cards. Worrying about cards you made a decade ago. Also a singleton format like magic sounds fun. Maybe limit everything to 1 and have a larger deck of 60 or 80 or something. That would add a lot of randomness to games. I don’t think a commander tax would work in yugioh. But working with singles and a larger deck size would suffice.
I want to see a change that encourages having different deck sizes other than 40 main deck cards/15 Extra deck cards Like for every 2 cards(over 40) you have in the main deck you get 1 more extra deck slot
@@tootsie_ I used 2 for 1 as an example because I thought 4 for 1 was a little much, but either way it would encourage different main deck sizes. Of course this would have to be tested out first, but at least it's an easy thing to test in most simulators
Maybe a counter solution to limiting special summon to 5 is to keep track which single monster zone has been occupied in the same turn, my idea is that no newly summoned [special ou normal] monster in a turn can occupy the same single monster zone previously occupied, at the start of your turn, in this same turn more than once, or more than twice for non occupied ones. An example of this rule: at the start of a duel, you can summon up to 10 times (not accounting for extra monster zone), 2 for each singular monster zone, but in the middle of the duel if you already have 4 monster in your monster zone side of the field at the start of your turn, you can only summon in this turn up to 6 monsters in your monster zone (4 for each already occupied singular monster zone plus 2 for the non occupied one). For this idea to work you would need to keep track which singular monster zone has been occupied and for how many times a turn, this would require an external apparatus, like a dice or a slideable gadget which you would have to remember to set and reset at the start of each ones turns. This rule would require a lot more strategy from the player than just summoning monsters to summon more monsters and attention to how you use your monster zone in order to keep sinergy with your link monsters. Also I can see meta changing to revolve around cards that occupy your opponents monster zone or block them from use. Also this rule wouldn't punish that hard long combos since with a clean monster field you can summon up to 10 monster + unlimited summons in your extra monster zone a turn, but it will limit you more if you already have lots of monsters on your side of the field. I can also see some interesting interactions since this rule would not limit your summons if you do them in your opponents turn, so more reasons to keep ultimate offering banned but we could see new archtypes which could focus on that.
The real answer here is that at all official tournaments, every player must announce every play they do in an over the top way as one does in the anime. It won't actually fix anything in the game but people will get annoyed reiterating rulings and announcing their boss monsters being summoned every single time.
"I activate Pot of Greed, which allows me to ... *reads card* .... Draw 2 cards!"
imagine doing that for pendulum spam decks :D
Their voices will crack before they end their turn.
I think you meant to title this "commenters don't understand how to fix yu-gi-oh"
Let this be the best comment
Yep
Do you?
@@israeldelarosa5461 no
I feel as though the video would have been more concise if that were the title. It's too bad that Doug is as considerate as he is to peoples sensibilities. He knows that people are sensitive and fucking stupid and does as much as he can as to not offend anyone.
"On your opponent's turn in chess, you can't really make any plays"
We'll see about that
Lol, clearly the opinion of someone who never learned to ask their younger siblings "Are you sure?" when they were about to make a good play.
@@DeiUmbrarum Found the Crystron Player
“Haha you just activated my trap card. See, I placed Mirror Force face down on the D6 square, so, when your queen goes to attack my queen, she reflects her attack right back at herself instead.”
“What?! That’s not possible!!!”
“Isn’t it, Kaiba?”
“No like.. literally this is not how chess works, Yugi.”
@@m0002856 This... Is just Yugi and Joey vs the Paradox bros
I will imperm the pawn to negate its effect
Red cards ofc
That's tough man, I can't read
Who actually reads cards nowadays I just activate cards and hope it works out
@@mimimikail2603 yeah i just ask my oponent what my cards do
I don't know if you are suggesting a new type of cards with red borders or telling people to read their cards
@@lucasscalcon7024 New Summoning Mechanic. Because who's gonna start reading this late into the game
So first we ban ALL the tuner monsters... oh wait a sec!
Bring my back the tuners
Ban all non tuners
Halqifibrax beatdown 💖
Wait what happened???
@@melaniew7187 But banning all non tuner would also include Halq
@@derfeuerdrache395 limited to 1 for balance 😇
I will say the Special Summon "fix" can feel like a pretty tempting option. One of the things I feel kinda gets overlooked in the discussion of the modern state of the game - and really for all of Yu-Gi-Oh's history - has been the dominance of one playstyle over all others from format to format.
In the early stages of the game, with such a small pool of cards, Beatdown strategies were pretty much the only strategy worth playing. Then, Control decks began to take over for a while, all the way to the modern era where players are heavily encouraged to play Combo stategies or get steamrolled.
It's this lack of variety in strategies - the fact that competitive play can be so heavily dominated by one style of play - that seems to get overlooked in these kinds of discussions.
I dunno if this would "fix" gemini monsters, but it could be a "buff" if they made it that they're treated as normal mosters everywhere (hand, deck, field and graveyard) until they're normal summoned again on the field as usual. Then they could at least take advantage of more normal monster support, unlike their current state.
I quite like this, when I played hieratics I used to think if the hieratic seal of the dragon king could be searched as a normal monster from the deck this would be far far stronger.
Dragon spirit of white has something similar and it made it usable back in the day, They would still suck, but at least they would get some support.
Yes, i couldn't agree more. Konami has given Geminis a few cards over the years, some are really good like catalyst field but still they're so so terrible. You can't really play a full Gemini deck because Geminis are a brick basically without any other specific cards that support them. So imagine having an Archetype where there is literally no monster that can do something on its own.
I'd love this
@@benjaminsmith8377 And like that you turned an idea I loved into one I loathe.
The chess timer one is spot on imo. What I want konami to do is what Pokemon TCG has been doing with Pokemon TCG Online where whenever you buy actual yugioh products, be it structures, boosters, etc., you get a code for a yugioh game where you get the exact same booster, structure, etc. in the game as well.
I would love that
i just hope they don't do that bullshit where they replace one of the cards with a "UR" card or something
getting a V card when opening a pokemon pack is just a big "fuck you, go play online"
I think adding a duel links style "limited X" style section to the banlist would be really interesting, just because it would allow people to use cards like the Dragon Rulers as semi-generic extenders, without bringing all four back at once
Speed Duels:
Am I a joke?
It's absolutely not viable, but I actually really like the idea of the cost system from the GameBoy Colour era YGO games. You have 400 "points" to build a deck and all cards are fair game, most cards are worth 10. Something like Pot of Green is worth like, 70. You could, say, run 3 copies of all 4 Dragon Rulers but that puts you at 350 points so your remaining 28 cards have to be complete and utter garbage.
It's too much work to ever implement but it could open up a lot of interesting deck-building options.
@@sailorplanetmars6103 Konami just would have to print an extra number on the card, not like there aren't enough words and numbers on the cards these days
@@mr.moonthegoon4178 the printing isn't the hard part - the calculating is, not to mention the constant readjusting to shifting meta states. How else do you handle something like, for instance, Neo Spacian Aqua Dolphin suddenly and randomly exploding in power in the early Link era due to Isolde and 0 ATK handtraps? It goes from a totally useless 1-cost card to a moderately useful 4 or 5-cost card. The sheer number of cards that are technically available to deck builders in YGO (and having to assign costs to them all) is where the issues come in, and balancing around cards that are only powerful in very particular contexts.
New set: Forbidden Memories
Includes errata'ed reprints of those 20 cards on the forbidden/limited list which only need their effects made into hard OPTs
This... Could work actually.... 🤔
Agreed, but don’t screw up cards by completely changing them
It also features retrains of a whole bunch of old-school vanilla fusions to give them effects. Most notably, Sanwitch now has a retrain that does either pre-errata Sangan or pre-errata WotBF, with the exception of still being a hard OpT.
FMR is already a game promo set. New name please.
Once per turn on some and once per duel on others. It is far better than them reprinting a card, adding an additional paragraph of text, and then making the card basically unplayable or play nothing like it did before.
Just give us some Good Pyro/Volcanic Support. That should fix the game :)
Day 779 of waiting for Good Pyro/Volcanic Support to arrive in the OCG/TCG..........
Keep up the journey
Volcanics r so much fun to play
They actually did make new support cards. They were so powerful they got banned before they were even printed.
2:15-2:21
Well that just sounds like brilliant fusion with extra steps
We need more weird formats that use cards in ways never done before, at least for fan-based online tournaments.
Examples:
1# You can only build your deck with cards released on Odd or Even years
2# You must build your deck with cards only from Duel Links but must play on a standard TCG field
3# Only 1 copy of a card per deck (basically MTG Highlander)
4# Flip the rules of normal and special summoning (all the normal summons you want, 1 special summon per turn)
It'd be a chaotic exercise in futility, but a fun one!
The first two formats are kinda meh. Firstly, knowing the years when a card came out isn’t going to draw in any new players. That’s going to push them away. Second, Duel links format is constantly changing, when do you consider something legal or not? The other two sound interesting tho, and many, including myself, want to see tag duels and even 3v3s come into an official format.
Alternate formats would help a ton, look what that does for Magic
Amen. And GOAT is fun. I'd just love If there was a larger group for other historic formats, like Reaper or TOSS.
Hell, just proper rules for Double Duels would be nice.
Imagine YuGiOh commander. Every card in the game at 1. 20 extra deck, and the extra deck is public knowledge? That sounds crazy fun
@@tootsie_ Wait... wouldn't Yugioh EDH just be the Deck Master system?
@@tootsie_ I've tinkered with this a lot and it would be hard to figure out things like commander tax for yugioh but im sure if we get enough great minds working on the issue, it could totally work. Honestly just the 1 card limit already sounds really cool and a larger deck to slow down the format.
@Christian Landa I think the issue with that is that they use entirely seperate cards, stuff like pauper (common cards only) and commander (1 card limit, 100 card main deck build around one creature/monster) would build all new demand for the cards and create unique play experiences
Duel Links style banlist? It would have to be scaled, of course, but the theory of limiting using different cards together as opposed to focusing on limiting cards individually is good, I think.
One thing to say about that :
*Dragon Rulers*
Here, my argument has been given, you can carry on with your day
Limiting cards being used together is a horrible idea
It is one of the most impractical suggestions I’ve ever heard - In an online environment it works, but in real life, being forced to remember cards not being able to be used together is just a massive headache
@@palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 It's not like every single YuGiOh Player has Internet access, right?
And I mean, of course every player remembers the current banlist
@@rodrigoandrade256
It is a much bigger headache than the banlist we currently have
It is much easier to view the cards that are banned, rather than the interactions they can do
@@palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 Okay, one of us doesn't understand how the duel links banlist works, and I stopped playing Duel Links a long time ago so there's a very real chance that it's me. But I THINK what Zero356 is saying is not what you're thinking, and a very cursory googling seems to back me up. It's not a case of "Okay, you can use three copies of Butterfly Dagger Elma if you want, but not with Gearfried the Iron Knight". Instead, the way it works is besides the very few cards that are just banned, you have a limited list where instead of 1 copy of each limited card, you get 1 limited card TOTAL. As in you can have one Cyber Stein OR one Dark Grepher OR one Speedroid Terror Top but not all three.
Obviously the existing ban-and-limited list would need to be reworked to accommodate this. The Exodia pieces alone break it unless you had a traditional limited list along with this deck-limited list. But I could see some value to it. Pot of Greed, Graceful Charity, and Delinquent Duo suddenly become less of a no-brainer when you can only have one of them instead of one of each.
One of the ways to fix Yugioh is for Konami to make more sets like Duel Devastator.
Another way is for Konami to stop cherry-picking reprints and have them be equal regardless of the cards being recently released or expensive like for example with the Freezing chains structure deck instead having the replacement for Crossout designator be Eisbahn the card could be Ice Dragon’s prison and have it be a super rare while Raigeki is a common.
The great thing about collectible card games is that you can implement any of these fixes for your own casual games with your friends.
Outside of official tournaments, as long as everyone playing is in agreement, you don't actually need to adhere to official ban lists.
konami can stop the tournaments if they wish
The main problem is that Yu gi oh had exponentially made its most basic interactions and mechanics obsolete or unintuitive. Normal Summoning is the most rare for of summoning, while Special is the most common. Setting a monster is useless unless it's for a very VERY specific function that brings enough advantage with enough speed to circumvent such action. Face-down for monsters has become a way of deactivating them and an undesirable condition except for, again, very specific situations. The graveyard has so many living effects that it's more like a purgatory or a standby area waiting for effects to trigger or do something. Banishing was going pretty much the same way until they made it banishing face-down, which in combination with regular banishing face-up shows how much of a mess the game is.
Yu gi also has a problem that since all cards from the very beginning are also legal, they cannot really introduce any major change or solution without having to pretty much update everything that came before them. I love and hate this game so freaking much. The problem is that they might not make any changes at all, because in the short term any change is scarier than no change at all. No change means everybody is on the same page as they've always been, and changing anything too radically may alienate the player base, which is an extremely high risk move.
Yeah, it needs a complete reboot
@@TheKaijudist if they rebooted the game, I’d prefer it if they started at around early DA format levels of strength.
A lot of earlier formats often had turns where nothing happened and those after were often too explosive.
@@TheKaijudist Nah, that just kills one of the main draws of Yugioh. I know I wouldn't have gotten back into the game in 2017 if I couldn't update and play my Blackwings like I did as a kid.
@@TheKaijudist There are speed duels, rush duels and duel links, what more could you possibly want
The should start making cards that effect card economy. They don't destroy, they don't negate but the do offer a way to effectively check your opponent and give u a chance to play. And it's all control, combo is control going first, and the others go second. Unless your extremely lucky you never have an absolute perfect hand and that's why we have searchers. They've been making a lot of search cards forever and no real checks or balances against them. Maxx c was probably the first true check against them and they trash that by banning it, but if they start producing more cards with the idea of card economy in mind then we would have better duels and phase out this age of going first or die
The last one you mentioned gets thrown around a lot and nobody ever believes me whenever I say it’s just going to be the same format over and over again
Plus 3 pot of greed, 3 graceful charity, 3 upstart, 3 chicken game, etc. doesn't sound too fun
@@andresraffler can't forget into the void because who needs a hand when you're gonna FTK, and every deck literally needs to main deck Droll too, and Maxx C to draw into droll, and then called by to counter those two, also sentry, confiscation to get hand knowledge before you combo.
Oh man, YuGiOh is dumb.
Yeah, if you want to make everything a 3 of, you need to eratta literally everything on that list, and there is no way Konami is wasting time and money on making Pot of Greed viable when they've already printed 10 Pot of Greed alternatives... That said, I am partial to the effect "Your opponent can discard 1 Spell Card and draw 2 cards, otherwise draw 2 cards."
@@1sdani that actually sounds like a super cool card for a format where a deck like Superheavy Samurai is played
They just wanna be in their own little bubble, you can’t force them out. Also the sheer power of some of these cards are infuriating. And I guarantee you that if those players were on the receiving end of a gumblar hand loop, they’d change their mind instantly
You know what would really fix yugioh? Another pendulum zone Right in the middle column!
Why?
@@smore9831 tell me that wouldn't fix pendulums
“So you can have 3 pendulum effects, instead of 2 dog shit ones”
@@bighonkies no, the probem is avout the pend escales, like, maybe it coud work, but from a design perspective, don't sound good enough
That would be expensive space wise eatting up 3 spell zones
I don't see how chess timers are more confusing than our current system of "ummms" and "hmms" and "uhhh hang on thinking" If anything tapping a chess timer would be far less ambigiuos.
I agree with this completelt
I think Doug was stretching a little when he said that it would just be confusing.
Upon playing a card, you would have to tap the button on your timer. If the opposite player doesn't have a response, he can just tap his timer and you can continue your turn normally.
Sure it would fucking suck to have to press it every 5 seconds because of the game itself, but the cards on their own don't make the game. It's the players at the end of the day.
"I've figured out how to fix the game. First, we ban all the tuner monsters."
Underrated comment
I think that konami should ban all cards, launch a structure deck with 40 new cards and limit them all
@@ericmendesspada8960 they should all be retrains of cup of ace
Nuuu leave my fabled alone
What if after that we'll ban all level 4 monsters?
As someone with social anxiety around people I don't know, having a chess timer sounds like a really good idea. I always stop after every play to ask if my opponent is ok with my play in fear that if I just keep playing I'll play beyond where they wanted to play a card and by constantly stopping to ask if they're ok with my play I end up in fear that I'm annoying them by asking for confirmation after every play.
...It'd be really nice if it was just a standardized "make play, press button, wait for opponent to press other button, repeat"
Even on an empty turn, the timer is being hit 8 times for priority passing. Almost every action adds 4 more hits for the card to resolve and the resolution window. Entering and exiting the battle phase is another 4, and one battle would have 12 for attack declaration, battle step, start of damage calc, before damage calc, after damage calc, and end of damage step. And then finally 2 more hits for an empty MP2. Chess clocks for IRL Yugioh just would be extremely tedious if your trying to play the game properly. I would just play online if that's my experience playing Yugioh IRL
I think just clicking it when you want to think on opponent turn would be better, otherwise you would take top much time to click it for every singe thing
It's still a bad idea.
Yeah
Social anxiety sucks with strangers
But you don't need to say anything
Just wait a moment for them to respond.
@@GiantCaliber you would only have to click if you have a response or want to view their cards, otherwise it would be just like normal each player has 15 minutes total to play (or whatever time limit you select at the start)
The reason why it wouldn’t work is because they would create new problems
Pretty much. It's like trying to expand your house.
@Vinicius Viana Deniz the purpose of the video is not to offer fixes, but to show why common ones don’t.
Saw you mention making this on stream and I patiently awaited it. Excellent work.
Chess Timers are my favorite idea that I know full well is terrible and would be impossible to implement. I personally like the idea of rapidly passing the timer between myself and the opponent but, I can see how that’s not for everyone.
Its extra terrible in digital mediums due to how often the game will ask if you have a response, and obviously you can't just hold Chain Off all the time of you'll miss timings when you need them
That last argument is weird too, indeed every deck is the same right now not in the cards but in the style of play. Back then we had a smaller card pool that's why not only style but cards were the same, with the amount of cards we have right now that should be something of the past and sort of is, but the goal of every deck now is to fetch a negator from the extra as quickly as turn one, the only difference is how and who is summoned, that is a design flaw with so many decks with different play strategies now
Yesss
"5 Ways To Fix Yu-Gi-Oh!"
Number 1: Bring back Dueling Network
What's that
@@Anzorious something stupid
@@birtheusthayo4235 Nah, DN was awesome
Isn't duelingbook literally the same?
@@DudeHunder functionally it's the same (actually slightly better bc it has more features) as DN, but it's not nearly as popular as DN was, which was a big reason DN was so great
I love it when ppl think that limiting summons "fixes" the game. Like bro, normal summon Aleister set 4 wouldn't be a meme anymore.
Jokes aside tho, Konami would just start printing monster that are more powerfull on their own and don't need multiple steps to be summoned.
Why normal Aleister when you can just activate red eyes fusion XD
The "Normal Summon Aleister" actually takes 4 summons to get to Mechaba. And if you're playing Dogmatika it's one more Ecclesia and maybe a Maximus
@@rodrigoandrade256 I never said that I want to summon Mechaba
@@drak5860 Fair
having a static special summon limit would probably break stuff, but a dynamic one perhaps wouldn't. Like for instance a limit on special summons equal to the turn count + 1
Honestly, I feel the general comment/complaint about limiting Special Summoning is less about just limiting the pure combos themselves, and more about limiting the ridiculous end states modern YGO first-turns have a tendency to end on. We've all seen the examples of people burning through half their deck or more on their first turn, and then ending that turn with so many negates and blocks that the other guy practically can't even play the game. Now I'm by no means an expert, far from it even, but I still feel safe to say that that's a serious problem.
Indeed, win/loss in one turn is problematic.
You just described Dragon Link. Which is awful to watch in Replay on fast forward and I can't imagine how awful it is in person.
Upside is, if they ban Elpi the deck dies.
And there is a bigger problem. In old Yu-Gi-Oh there were shorter turns, but one game could take minutes with just "I draw, your turn" "I draw, your turn" "I draw, set, your turn". To find a balance between infinite first-turn duels and infinite draw-do nothing duels is, i'll say, impossible, it's something you can't make, just happens, that why the Game reached something like that around synchro era, but lost it time later. The balance between broken game and broken power creep it's just too hard to find. Best thing You can do is play chill duels with rougue decks with friends
Ah-em
*The banlist* - This issue does come up in yugioh from time to time, but,n general, the banlist ends all of these issues somewhat efficiently
And Gouki/Dragonlink formats weren't the most fun formats to play, but in general, if you look at the current format, and if you look at many other formats in yugioh - You'll begin to notice that atm, the banlist has ended degeneracy very well
Most people don't seem to have a problem with the current format, nor did they have a problem with Virtual World format, nor did they have a problem with Shaddoll-Spyral format, nor did they have a problem with TOSS format, for the reason that, because of the banlist - People don't make the ludicrous endboards they used to
@@namelessanonymous2913
Better idea - *The banlist*
Unban maxx c but change its effect to allow you to slap your opponent once fir each SS
Concussion rates skyrocket.
And then every competitive Yu-Gi-Oh player will have to become a master of wing chun just to get the most out of those slaps so they hopefully can otk their opponent irl
@Rodrigo Ferreira Ribeiro like the opponent's jaw by the time they go through their turn 1 plays
They'd lose enough brain cells to forget how their combo works on the spot! They'd either make a really subpar board or have to use control/stun decks. Lol
Handss "C"
The "C" of course stands for _catch_ _these_ _hands._
About #2... just change by default every effect in *soft* opt, kinda like in Rush Duels, where the opt is implicit. It fixes most broken cards, and if the design of a card is intended to be activated multiple times with a cost (like, for example, Decode Talker) you can just add "This card's effect can be activated multiple times" (basically the opposite of what's now)
that...doesn't really fix the issue
that just means a lot of cards would lose extra space for card text to clarify that they can do the do
I've also said this a lot before, but adding a section to the forbidden and limited list that works like the "legend card" mechanic in Rush Duel would be excellent. You could move a lot of forbidden and limited cards to this section no problem, and it'd basically just work like Duel Link's limited list.
Also, i think as a whole that Duel Links just has a better limited list system than the OCG/TCG. Why doesn't normal Yugioh operate like this? It clearly works.
Have ERA duels where you can only use cards from a certain part on yugioh or older like a synchro ERA or XYZ ERA formats for example
I am surprised you didn't mention that in a limited special summoning format there would be still powerfull floagates and trap decks that are decent modernly and would be overpowered in that type of format.
Well Konami wrote about why they created the ban list a long time ago it was because there where a number of Cards that were just better than the cards they were creating and because the cards people already had was just flat out better than what was being created there was little to no real demand for the new cards so to increase sales they created the ban list banning some of the best cards in the game of which the 1st ban list almost entirely comprised of spell and trap cards with Chaos Emperor Dragon and Yata bieng the only monsters with the rest bieng cards like Ragaki, Harpie's Feather Duster, Change of Heart, ect. I don't remember the exact list as that was 16 years ago. So what did players do well they replaced those cards in thier decks with the next best options and adjusted thier play. Dark Hole replaced Ragaki, Heavy Storm replaced Harpie's Feather Duster ect. So the cards people replaced the ban Cards with were already released into the game so within the next ban list or 2 those cards started hitting the ban list as well. And to help make sure newer cards were staying in high demand they started making effects stronger and stronger and also making cards more and more themed decks where more and more Monster, Spell, Trap, and Extra Deck Monsters and thus the power creep that was clearly in the game but wasn't outrageous yet got kicked into hyper overdrive. Thus cards that originally got put on the ban list because they were just better than the cards they were making but at the time weren't actually broken but became broken if they had been allowed to be played in combantion with the newer more powerful cards and effects bieng created.
It's like a weird case of REVERSE power creep. Basically started out by making incredibly powerful cards, to the point that anything they made with a similar effect would be inherently worse.
Though, in a vacuum with JUST some of the earliest sets those cards aren't THAT overpowered. Like, what's POG gonna get you in LOB format? A Summoned Skull or Swords of Revealing Light? A raigeki will likely destroy a tribute/La Jinn, or a face-down MEB. A HFD could destory a Swords of Revealing Light or a Trap Hole.
@@kyuubinaruto17 okay let's set up a little scenario. Your opponent has a Summoned Skull, a Mechanical Chaser, and a Rainbow Fish, along with a Mirror Force and a Magic Cylinder in his back row. You have no field and 2 1800 Atk monsters and a Summoned Skull in your hand and your life points are almost gone. Your draw you top deck Graceful Charity you play it and draw a pot of Greed, Change of Heart, and a Harpie's Feather Duster, you discard the 2 1800 point monsters to the graveyard you play Harpie's Feather Duster destroy your opponents back row you play Pot of Greed what does that do you ask? That let's you draw 2 cards from your deck (lol couldn't help myself) so you draw Ragaki Monster Reborn. You play Change of Heart on any of there monsters you sacrifice there monster for your Summon Skull play Ragaki destroying thier Field and play Reborn on there Summon Skull (assuming no one has Blue Eyes in there Graveyard. Attack for 5000 and if that wasn't enough to win the game then you are primed to barring a miracle top deck on there count. Yeah I know I picked some choice draws for both Graceful Charity and Pot of Greed. The point is there was a time where bieng able to have both Ragaki and Harpie's Feather Duster in your hand at the same time meant a complete board wipe for your opponent and depending how much stuff they put in there back row that could potentially be a back breaker. Heck if you had a Axe of Despair or 2 along with a Maha Vilo and a Monster Reborn and a Premature Burial that alone could potentially be enough to 1 shot your opponents 8000 life points. While they may not create cards that by themselves may not be as strong as those older cards were they often create cards that synergies with other cards in themed decks so well they can create almost infinite loops within those decks making them exponentially more powerful than anything created in early Yugioh.
Give us a Duel Devastator every other year to keep the secondary market down.
Anyone who says that decks are totally the same these days is just looking at the very top tier meta decks that are getting tops the most consistently. Even then, the variety in tech options and just how much you can do with siding is miles better than looking at the first YGO World Championship deck profile and even Yata-lock and then Teledad years. The game is in a really good spot in my opinion; even among the legal staple cards there are choices and variations depending on how certain picks interact with the current meta and even synergize in your deck.
I think the answer is definitely formats designed to be slower or open up the card pool some. Somewhat like the Battle Packs.
Make it like:
-Can only play a single copy of any card (unless it requires dupes to work)
-50 card deck
-double the life total
Something like that. Either that or revisit Battle Packs but make them more worthwhile to play for advanced players by including actual high value cards. Even if not meta, Battle Packs seemed like a great place to do alt-arts, or some of the weird unimported OCG monsters. And instead we got the somewhat bland shatter/mosaic rares.
Just summon dark magician when there are no monsters on the field.
The way to fix Yugioh is to shift back to Duelist Kingdom rules. Every card has specific interactions with every other card in the game, and the rules and effects for most cards or interactions come down to whoever comes up with the cooler effect.
It would be interesting if you would give your thoughts on how to make yugioh a better game in general. I've tried introducing people into the game but they always say its too complex or the rules change to often and its confusing.
Whoever says the rules change too often are idiots. Master rules are years apart, and while daunting at first, the basics get you through pretty well. Judges are the ones who need to know all the rules, not the players. The more a player knows, the better they might perform against worst players, but with equal knowledge, it’s not gonna make a difference. He gave some thoughts at the beginning of the video (Lower card prices, online simulator).
I feel like Duel Links is currently the game's best hope. A fully digital platform where instead of a banlist cards can just be eratta'd as need be. The problem is that if the physical version stops production, a massive amount of players won't jump over to the digital version. Also Konami seems to have a policy that Duel Links' cards and their TCG counterparts be at least somewhat similar, which really limits what erattas Duel Links can make. Also, if they effectively utilize erattas to prevent power creep, no one will be forced to keep buying card packs to keep up with the meta.
Yugioh is probably one of the toughest games for a new player to get into. I first started playing when there were only a couple of basic types of monsters (normal, effect, fusion, toon, etc) and mostly simple card text (with a few exceptions), and I was able to watch the game expand and grow, from a simple numbers game, to an archtyepe-focused game, with a new summoning mechanic added every few years, with lots of time to adapt to the new cards and archtypes.
I can't imagine coming into the game now with literally hundreds of different archtypes, and nearly a dozen monster types. At this point in time, the only way to make Yugioh a more approachable game is to start over completely, which is what Duel Links (and now Turbo Duels) has done. They shaved off almost the entirety of the extra deck mechanics, and removed a ton of problem cards, while keeping the archtype and combo driven aspects of the game, as well as massively limiting the card pool. Duel Links introducing new summoning mechanics every few years allowed all the new players to learn and adapt, just as we did back in the olden days.
@@1sdani Whats funny to me is that Sangan is still in his pre-errata form where you can play the monster he fetchs immediately, but Witch of the Black Forest that released recently has her "can't activate the card or its effects the turn you fetch it" errata
There’s definitely a high barrier to entry, and such a high skill wall (as well as needing a card index with intricate knowledge of interactions) that it really does seem overcomplicated for someone who just wants to sit down and play a game. For instance, I’ve been out of Pokémon TCG since... Gym Challenge, or so. I opened the app, set up, and I’m 100% comfortable playing any deck I’m handed by the game, and I think I want to actually get back into it beyond that.
I try EDOPro, or look at Duel Links, and I’m completely lost, because even core mechanics have changed - hell, I got out before 5Ds, so I didn’t even know about Tuners for a while. They even changed the shape of the playfield twice! Once for Pendulum (though now that’s back to normal) and once for Links.
So I don’t know what’s going on. I understood (vaguely) Synchro, didn’t even know about Dark Synchro until I heard about the new Ursarctics and people mentioned their mechanic was similar. I figured out Xyz. I can get some of what’s happening otherwise, but the point is I just don’t know enough of the cards, the mechanics, or the archetypes to make the game enjoyable.
I know the chess timer is an awful idea, but I would love to see it used against Dragon Link and Drytron players. God that would be so satisfying
Yeah so annoying i just quit on dueling nexus rather than sit there forever while they go ofd
I know patience is a difficult thing to have, but I love to see it used with Dragon Link and Dryton players. God that would be so satisfying.
@@theonethathungers5552 hard to have patience when one turn takes more than 10 minutes
@@elementalherosparkman168 Anyone whose competent with the combo won’t take ten minutes. And online makes it a lot slower, so try it in person when you can
@@NewtBannner that's what the discussion is about. How long is too long? If the player is taking too long, maybe there should be a penalization (not really for now since we all agree the chess timer wouldn't work).
I always felt like normal monsters need a buff because they are worthless compared to effect monsters. I would really like to see normal monsters being normal summoned without tributing and more than once a turn. I mean they are literally NORMAL monsters. that way you would be able to normal summon multiple big normal monsters or special summon multiple effect monsters to kinda balance them in deck building.
I like your idea but multiple summons of any normal monsters creates problems. Maybe just one extra summon per turn if the second summon is a normal. AND... Skill Drain to 3. But I'm in favor of a limit to special summoning. 3 - 4. Maybe 5.
You'd probably have to go back and ban or errata a lot of normal monster support. Heart of the Underdog springs to mind but there are probably others.
You could try vanilla pendulums with heart of the underdog to add consistency.
@@jeffjordan1242 damn yall jeffs are pushing the mystic mine agenda. Skill drain is one of those you dont get to play cards like mystic mine, summon limit, tcboo, inspector boarder, etc... you already have the tools for the unfunny, skill drain to 3 would just be more unfun
An idea I've been kicking around, what if instead of banning certain cards, we just ban certain combinations of cards in decks? That way we can bave less cards on the banlist overall. Like, make it illegal to have all the dragon rulers in one deck. Or having specific tuners in the same deck with problematic link monsters
That...could actually be interesting.
The normal summon + tribute summon every turn would probably work better as part of a field spell than as a master rule 6 addition.
And instead of a special summon limit, more cards that work like nibiru (similar to the variety of ghost girl hand traps) could be pretty cool.
Or we could limit the amount of special summons for each player's first turn.
@@mauritiusblackwell3990 That doesn't address any of the concerns Dzeeff laid out about limiting special summoning.
@@mauritiusblackwell3990 And that's how Dogamtika and Eldlich become the best deck in the game, i mean in my Eldlich Dogmatika deck on my best tour1 board i only do 4 special summons.
@@mauritiusblackwell3990 What a horrible idea
@@mauritiusblackwell3990 Just because you can't counter a Card combo player doesn't mean you have to ruin their fun.
6:42 Broke: Implementing a special summon limit is a good way to nerf combo decks
Woke: Implementing a special summon limit is good because it'll convince Konami to put Aleister on the banlist
Its big brain time.
Aleister is perfectly fine
If you really want to hit invoked, maybe lemtdown to 1, but not more than that
Yu-gi-oh! was born broken. You can't bring something to a not-broken format if it never had one. Since the beggining decks that should work don't work and those that shouldn't just work, and there is no reasonable explanation for such. In other words, just play the game and have fun.
Issue is, when trying to start the game, especially as someone without knowledge of other card games, getting into yugion was frustrating, boring, and rage inducing as i would start a game, wed draw, and the ither player would quit because they sisnt get the perfect hand. And i absolutely agree that playing the gane ti have fun is the way to go, BUT this doesnt work if the community only ever gives hyper comvos as basic advice
@@pablocruz5613 If your problem is about getting bad hand all the time or you need perfect hand to play though, then the problem is the deck you are playing
What we really need is another Yugioh Soundtrack.
I'VE GOT DUEEEEEL MADNESS
INNNNNN MY BRAIN!
Monster influence in your veins.
You keep on playing those dark shadow games and all this time I prayed my friend.
But that would hint at and actual good anime, like season 1. Season 1, despite not following consistent rules with the card game, was a well-paced anime. In Season 2, it sort of got too invested in itself, having the drab city tounament last far too long, so much so it needed a filler arc to give viewers a time to breathe 100+ episodes of wishy-washy stakes.
Season 1 had a clear villain Pegasus, who straight up kidnapped Yugi's Grandpa unannounced with no reason other than being an asshole. What's Yugi's drive in season 2? Oh, stop some guy from getting 3 cards. Yes Mokuba will generally get kidnapped for a few episodes, but other than Kaiba getting some cool cards and revenge he desperately deserves, there's not much passion in the art style or story. And it got worse from there
Remember when Yugi was dueling the rapist, Panik, and that "I'm not going to Panik and that cool beat came up? Cool times.
@@Goblin_Hands I won’t give up! I won’t give in! I’m not gonna panic!
Trinity format has an interesting Special Summoning limit mechanic, and overall, i think it works well.
I think the first thing to start a big change in the game is to have the ocg an tcg have the same pool of cards at the same time there isnt a good reason to have that separation
The problem comes with that releases are a lot harder to plan in that regard. We have two different ban lists too so it'd be hard to get a world wide release for everything, especially cards that are supposed to be exclusive at first
@@ConductorElcrest yeah but wee could easily have one banlist its what they do every year for the world tournament
Secondly it isnt that hard a worldwide release its the same they didnt have to change anything maybe have traductions being a little bit quicker but the fans already do that
And for the exclusive cards the point of having the same card pool is to have the same game here or there so exclusive tcg or ocg card archetypes wouldn't exist
While they do do it for worlds it’d done far differently than most banlists. Let’s take into account that both have their own limits and unlimits. With worlds it’s easy because you just take the lowest number a card is at and boom, you got it on there. That is FAR different when combining lists as you have to consider what’s more healthy for tcg, ocg, what shouldn’t and what should, how timing should be done. At face value it sounds good but it creates too many problems.
Second, world wide releases are harder to do than you think. While having a set in stone world wide release for a game is easy that is because it’s only one product and they’re not doing multiple products within a short time span. With Konami, it would be multiple products in that time span, if something gets messed up that costs a lot of money. I agree that releasing cards faster should happen but world wide releases add more problems for konami than solutions sadly.
@@ConductorElcrest Okey fist for the list they wouldn't need to consider the ocg or the tcg because the reason that we have different banlist amd formats its because we have differents card pools so if we manage to have the same card pool the idea would be to make one banlist because everybody will have the exact same tools to play
Second konami already do releases in a big scale thats why they have 2 company's that print cards for the tcg one in the US and one in Belgium and one in differents parts in Asia, the process wouldn't change they will only need to organize but it doesn't change that much because if we get the same cards we would need extra sets so their would be any sort of time we're they will be overwhelmed
The biggest problem would be the beginning of this process were only in the tcg part they will have to print bigger sets or give us a special set
In the ocg would be a lot easier because they get almost every tcg exclusive card by the end of each year that card was printed
@@mathibell5236 For the banlist point you're not getting what I'm saying- I'm saying even if we had the same card pools how people play is entirely different. Upstart is at 3 in the OCG but it's at 1 in the TCG. Our meta's are different to the point where two banlists are needed. That's why the split happened in the first place, cards that were having no results here were having results in the ocg and caused them to be hit instead of the actual meta in the tcg. Same card pool seems like it solves this idea but it doesn't and all it does is make the banlist more bloated. The players and the way they think are just completely different.
Yes, Konami does releases on a big scale- We all know this... But world wide releases are REALLY different from a business standpoint. Also yes, if we get the same cards we would need extra sets or a really big set. I'm glad you agree with that but it feels like you're going against your point seeing as it's very easy to be overwhelmed in that regard.
OCG does get every tcg exclusive by the end of every year, true. Due to being manufactured in Japan OCG will always have the leg up on cards and getting sets first as it's far easier. However you must take into consideration multiple things, there would need to be a translation for all these cards, then they would need to get production set up, and then would need to make sure worldwide everything is good. However it moreso seems like this is an easy cause of misprints and the like. So from a business stand point I personally don't think it would be as good for Yu-Gi-Oh.
I still think they should do a low-key reset on the banlist, moving everything up that could semi-reasonably come off just to see what’s still broken today. Things like trap dustshoot, the infernities, divine wind of mist valley, night assailant, etc. come to mind
I feel duel links has the right idea for a ban list or 'limited' list might be better. How many people would choose pot of greed over any other single card in the ban list for example
You know what was fun? Ever wanted Yu-Gi-Oh with a mana system?
Yu-Gi-Oh World Championship 2011: Over the Nexus had Turbo Duels which had a permanent field spell Speed World 2.
Spell Cards other than "Speed Spell" Cards cannot be activated. During each player's Standby Phases, each player places 1 Speed Counter of their own on this card (up to 12 each). You can remove Speed Counters of your own and reveal 1 "Speed Spell" Card in your hand to apply the following effects.
●4 Counters: Inflict 800 damage to your opponent.
●7 Counters: Draw 1 card.
●10 Counters: Destroy 1 card on the field.
With spells being made generally slower by requiring an amount/cost of speed counters to activate, it does promote the use of trap cards.
Riding Duel, Acceleration!
And if you have ever played by those rules you know that just means people play with fewer spell cards. There are plenty of decks that can full combo with very few spell cards. This just slightly shifts the meta.
In order to close the gap between combo and control decks, I think that konami should make either make backrow more "faster" and more recursive. Or make really strong blow out cards that specifically work against combo. There's like 8+ ways to get rid of backrow and only 2 or 3 good ways to break strong board of negates. Or make a handtrap that's really strong against combo as well. Maybe like a handtrap that does what summon limit does but only lasts until the end of your next turn. (Decided to include end of next turn to prevent combo decks from using it as many cards that are intended to be used against combo decks are usually used in them.)
Also, I think missing the timing should not be a thing. All card effects should not be able to miss timing. Missing the timing is one of the most confusing mechanic/ rule in the game and probably has the most potential for misplays and for people to forget it.
Haven't watch the video yet but a idea I had was have ritual cards in the extra deck. Now ritual cards have effects in hand. So maybe make there placement optional. You can either add them to your deck or extradeck
Hmm
The biggest fix for me would be to stop making Archetype boss monsters too generic. It causes too many situations where the archetype the monster is a part of gets invalidated because another deck can abuse its monster better and can lead to a decks best monster getting banned because another unrelated deck was abusing it. This can sometimes lead to the archetypes those boss monsters belong to being unplayable. Generic bosses should be kept separate from archetype bosses for this reason. This would allow for the increase in the power ceiling for those bosses since they are locked into the archetypes and allow more archetypes to be competitive because they have these stronger bosses at their disposal even though they may not be as flexible as the weaker but still powerful generic bosses. Also this would possibly reduce the number of bannings and create a wider variety of meta strategies in the future.
Yo Dzeeff, while I agree with you for the most part, in the sense that, implementing some of these changes will have unintended side effects that the person suggesting them did not see. In the light that some cards will instantly become broken if you do X and other will become worse if you do Y. However, what I do not think you're seeing is that, if you truly want to fix the game, you need to fundamentally change how the game is played. There isn't anything you can realistically change about the game that'll make everyone happy, but also keep the balance of power currently in the game. And konami isn't against this idea either, links are probably the best example of this. And before people say "Konami never said, links were intended to fix the game / slow it down", yes I know that. But you can't deny, that links did change how the game is played and also had the same effects on the game that you just described.
When links were introduced to the game 2 major things happened. The first is that the pendulum summoning mechanic instantly became the worst main summoning mechanic in the game. You could not realistically play any pendulum deck and expect to win without getting seriously lucky. And that's still the case for 98% of pendulum decks. In the entire life span of links, we have only had 2 pendulum decks have competitive success, that being pendulum magicians and Endymion. Despite the fact that pendulums just a few master rules ago were always some of the best strategies to play. Hell even some deck strategies became worse than they already were. Ghostricks being the first thing that comes to mind. Summon a link monster and you instantly counter ghostricks.
The other major change to happen to the game when links were introduced was any token generating effect was now busted despite prior to links, tokens were entirely useless. Grinder Golem, Scapegoat, Gofu, Steam the cloak, etc. If a card could generate a ton of tokens for free, you were instantly a god tier card and would lead to some busted combos or insane advantage.
Those two examples you gave for some cards becoming overpowered and others becoming worse, has already happened. Pendulums and ghostricks being volcanics. And Tokens being vanity's ruler, majesty's fiend, etc. If people truly want to fix the game, as I said in the beginning something fundamentally will have to change. And if that's case, people are just going to have to accept that, some decks, cards, and strategies will be useless or garbage afterwards and some will be really busted. That's just the way it is. So at this point why not? I personally think the limitation of special summoning would be the fix this game needs. Because the one of the biggest complaints about the game is that boards are too oppressive. And the only reason they are that oppressive, is because people are able to special summon an infinite amount of times to get to that oppressive board. Yea, some decks will be useless and wouldn't be able to play effectively, but again, it's not like that already hasn't happened. Also another thing you didn't mention in your video, specifically for the cards that will become overpowered is that, yea they will become instantly, but they won't be in the game forever. That is what the banlist is for after all.
Anyways, hope I don't sound angry or anything I am just giving my opinion, love your content though :3c
TLDR: The things you said why some of these fixes wouldn't work has already happened in the game in someway due to a change, so why not.
Pretty sure the whole point of the links master rule was to kill pendulums tho
THIS right here, Special summon limit i think is mandatory at this point, Special summons are esssentialyl just unlimited normal summons at this poitn with how easy they are to fullfill, and since so many links also has a Resurrection effect that special summons a monster from the GY.
Remmeber Special summons didnt need a limit in the old days because 1 they were limited to Extra decks summons, and 2 any main decks that can specila summon have very niche requirements, ( Discard 1 then special summon, Can only be special summoned if you control no monsters, special summon if youre opponant controls 2 or more monsters of the same attribute)
they were very ew of them and they werent easy to bring out in mass, you had to meet certain conditions for each one, so they were inherently limited in how many you can special summon do to those factors.
now theres just so much i special summon this, then Bing bang boop i have 4 monster sont he field, i Link 4 summon my Boss. oh now i special summon 4 more and anouther link 4. because its so easy to do and way too many decks have revival effects build in. and yet Monster reborn is banned xD
You're missing his point entirely. Sure, limit them to 5. Then the best deck would be the one to get the most Omnegates on the board with 5 special summons. It wouldn't change anything.
Also, players weren't the ones who introduced Links to the game. Konami was. This was done on purpose. They have created a game that has lasted over 20 years and is arguably more popular than ever. They know what they are doing. If they come down with a special summon limit, then so be it. I'd trust them. But I doubt the limit would be 5. It'd probably be 8 or 10. Let the professionals do their work.
Okay so maybe not “Unban all cards” but how about a *Conditional* Ban List? You can run any one Dragon Ruler, but only the one. You can have EITHER Gearfried the Iron Knight OR Butterfly Dagger Elma, but not both. Lots of cards are banned because of how they interact with specific cards, so maybe just keep them separated and it could open up more diversity in deckbuilding.
That actually would be a great idea imo
I'm surprised that you didn't mention people who play decks that are dead to 1 hand trap wanting all handtraps banned because "back in my day, there were no handtraps!" Even though there totally were, they just weren't as popular. (Heck, ever heard of Gorz? Lol. Completely changed the way we attack in battle phase)
I don’t like how the game has progressed heavily to hand traps. Yes, Gorz, Veiler, etc were still used in the game but you can still kind of work around it and decks weren’t entirely dead when they were played
hand traps nowadays literally are designed to say nope to whatever your opponent is doing. The problem is with the speed of the game and hand traps are not the answer to it. Back in the day, hand traps were optional and did help. Now it is mandatory, or you’ll be steamrolled.
@@xXRagingInfernoXx and in master duel for example, they fucking limit the counter handtrap cards like designator and called by the grave
while having all the handtraps known to man unlimited, it's fucking infuriating cause the chance i start with called by the grave is so low, so even tho i put it in my deck is still just won't help against things like ash cause ash shows up 50% more often
and if you don't start with a counter handtrap, and you're running a deck that doesn't "🗿" at negations, then there's absolutely nothing you can do but play and hope they don't have them
Surprised you didn't cover the 'limit to 1 negate per turn' fix I've seen thrown around
"fix"
This wouldn't be a solution in itself, but I do believe Negates brought a game to a worse state - Not negate's fault, but design's.
1. Negate should be a really OP effect. The fact it isn't anymore, makes not only the decks stronger (A deck that can play over 3 interruptions is really bad - And the fact that any deck has 3 interruptions on turn 0 is also bad) but creates the need for more and more negations, one thing feeding the other
2. It has been limiting the card design. Seems like EVERY SINGLE end-board monster has a negation. If you end with 2 monsters, you'll have at least 2 negations. The fun of YuGiOh is the diversity or archetypes and card effects, and now we have a diversity of archetypes but the diversity of effects is really low.
@@riccardomartina9517 Never said it was a good one lol
@@rodrigoandrade256 Yeah, Dzeef made a good video on what he calls 'negation fatigue' which is why I thought he'd cover it. I agree that negation is way overused, it should probably be saved for terrible decks like War Rocks or Krawlers to give them SOMETHING lol
@@armorelarmadura7807 yeah ikik
The power scaling has got out of hand. With certain combos you can literally prevent you opponent from playing the game. The game needs to be slowed down and cards need to be nerfed.
I hear this but I disagree. I think now going second is as strong as ever with cards like DRNM, nibiru, Super poly and kaijus. While boards are strong you have a lot of cards available that can break them these days
@@luxray4911 Not to mention the banlist has done a pretty good job at ending that
Even "The best deck" ends on 1 hieratic, borreload and tidying
an alternative is to play rush duels, games last more than 3 turns
@@dogsarec001 Pretty ironic, given the name.
@@dogsarec001 I find the only time normal duels last less than 3 turns is when my opponent sees a specific card and rage quits.
What does "fix yu-gi-oh" really means? Make it slower? Make it more accessible to new players? I think everyone has a different way to describe "fixing" in his own mind. But, I will give my crazy idea:
Master Rule 6: Each player MUST include at least X number of non-effect monsters in his deck and/or extra deck. And let's see how this will change the game dynamics :P
My god, if there were no banlist and Graceful Charity was at 3 would be amazing and terrible to behold. Kind of wanna see it.
It would be beautiful
Pend Best deck. Like actually tho- in that format it would be
Every single deck would play 9 of the same cards, 3 Pot of Greed, 3 Charity, and 3 Droll. Now, even the most inconsistent of FTKs became stupidly more consistent.
Exodia meta
@@ShiaSpirit Don't forget Dark World Dealings, and you know there's people who would still run Pot of Ava or Duality or Extra, regardless, the draw power would become absurd, even 1 Graceful Charity is wildly powerful
Just like Mark Rosewater (lead game designer on Magic) said : the audience is very good at pointing out problems, and very bad at solving them.
Also a good solution to restrict Special Summoning too much would be that a monster cannot be sent to the graveyard/banished in order to summon another monster if it was Special Summoned this turn.
And we could make an exception for Tribute Summon (as it is the only advanced summon method considered to be Normal Summon) to give it the significant boost it needs.
They should fix Ritual Summoning and allow players to Ritual Summon a Ritual Monster from the hand OR deck (instead of from the hand only) with the appropriate Ritual Magic. Let's be honest: Ritual Summoning was supposed to be THE best way of summoning boss monsters at the very beginning of Yu-Gi-Oh (and the mechanics make sense from a logical point of view), but then they made Ritual Summoning useless to favor, instead, other Special Summon mechanics that DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE from a logical/historical/magical point of view (Synchro, Xyz, Pendulum, Link). Very sad that modern Yu-Gi-Oh lost all its charm and taste...
Hmm
I've had this idea floating in my head. It probably (actually, most likely) won't work, but basically: A contextual banlist.
i.e. Cards that are banned only if you're running other kinds of cards.
This way, you can ban cards from certain decks but not others, because so often certain players will lose vital key pieces of their decks due to other decks that are leeching off their cards. Remember when A-Assault Core was Limited just because of Firewall Dragon? A contextual banlist could say: "A-Assault Core is at 1, but only if you're playing Firewall Dragon too."
Same with something like Dragon Buster Destruction Sword that only got banned because of a fucking truck.
Tbh, the tribute summon one isn't a terrible idea. But the issue isn't stuff like vanity's (which, yeah, it's broke), but it would also full everything up with the tribute summon extendrs. Lie the psychic lad that just special summons 2 level 3 psychics from deck for free. Literally a double E tele on a normal summon body
And tongue twister! Its practically Pot Of Greed on legs after being Linked away for something
Yeah, nutty stuff like that. But tbh, I would love to see what a format would look like if a few tournaments were run with this rule. Would it just be stuck with vanity's being broke, and maybe we are overblowing it? Or would it be lots of crazy shit happening? We can talk about theory all we want, I wanna see it happen at a larger scale to see what it would be like. It's 100% not a good idea, but it sounds fun
@@beybl7869 Your philosophy reminds me a lot of what you can sometimes see in competitive Pokémon (the video games not the TCG, specifically the community lead singles format) where sometimes people just decide "Hey, wouldn't it be fun to like ....... throw shit at the wall and see if it sticks or not ?" Like in gen 5 when they unbanned every legendary with 600 Stats (and later on Kyurem Black as well) just to see what would happen. It was a chaotic mess, most of it got banned again very quickly, some of it stayed for a long while before being deemed unhealthy and others just stuck and were just fine, even though most people prior would probably not have guessed it.
I think that this philosophy is actually very good and healthy, sure it may lead to bad metagames and some unhealthy things, but it teaches way more than doing nothing and can sometimes prove that "shit's actually fine". So yes, I am all for single formats (probably some alternative side formats that aren't enforced everywhere) where this type of experiment is carried out
8:40 this is very noticeable in duel links!
If you have a chainable effect, the game flips to your controll during your opponents turn.
Not only does that actually slow down the game, it also gives the opponent the information that you have a chainable effect, even if its face fown or in your hand.
Or more, it tells your opponenent when you DON'T have a chainable effect!
Which is very valuable! As most disruptions are chainable effects.
2:38 And that's how Rush Duels were born.
I think special summoning restrictions might at least be interesting in an alternate format design for beginners. I think ygo's gotten a lot harder to get into for both new players and returning players, so just having a slower format exist for them to ease into would be cool. Of course it would still have its own meta and problems, but as long as it "looks easier," then I think that's the important part. That being said, I don't know how much work would have to go into constructing and managing that format. I imagine it would need its own banlist depending on what rules are implemented.
Konami basically acknowledged hard once per turn is necessary as they did it with rush duels
Rush Duel is soft once per turn.
In Rush Duel there are soft once per turns.
Long comment here. I used to play the game from when it came out to about 2014. Coming back recently has been like returning to an entirely different game. I think Yugioh's core problem is also what makes it interesting compared to other popular card games. The fact that any card ever printed can still be used in tournaments as long as it's not banned. This seems like a fun rule at first but looking at the game overall the different formats a major pattern appears. The game keeps getting faster and the cards keep becoming more and more powerful. Konami has to keep printing newer and better cards to sell products or else people will just keep their old strategies. There's a reason people aren't playing tournaments with glad beasts or teledad anymore, and it's not the ban list. Compare the amount of text on cards now to say 10 years ago. Every single card is packed to the brim with effects to make it as good and strong as possible. Dragoon is possibly the best example of power creep I've ever seen, the card has packed as many broken effects on it as they could think of. I don't see an easy solution to this issue. The game will just continue to get faster until it's just completely not fun. For me, it's already reached that point. Sure there is variance between formats, but the rule of large numbers certainly has shown a pattern here. There isn't an easy fix to this either. When thinking of any solution to fixing yugioh you have to think about it from a business perspective. Konami absolutely will not make any decisions that hurt its sales and revenue. I think creating a new format where only certain sets can be used could help, but again that would just take away what makes the game interesting. Another idea I had going on your first idea regarding rule changes would be a player ability mechanic similar to duel links. Each player would choose a player ability which allowed them to do something extra. Your example was being able to tribute in addition to a normal summon. The drawback here would be the player would have to forego using any other ability so it wouldn't immediately break vanity's fiend ect. I don't see anything changing tbh, yugioh is as big as ever and Konami isn't going to change a thing until thats reflected in their sales.
This is the reason why i subscibe to dzeef
Agree with everything except the point about power being relative.
While thats true, it is not a justification for unchecked power creep. Most people would agree there is a point where power level and interaction complexity (this was in response to a point about limiting special summons) are too low that the fun factor suffers. Also, there's a point where it's too high.
Even if there are decks/cards of relatively higher and lower power in either of these paradigms, it doesn't follow that there's a golden mean somewhere to be found.
I haven't really thought about it enough to have a position on the possibility of limiting special summons, just a logical point.
I think an Extra Free Tribute summon could be ok in an archtype
Vanity ruler: *heavy breathing*
“In an archetype”
You know, because monarchs and true dracos don’t have in archetype ways to get extra tribute summons?
As an old player that tried to return to YGO and failed several times, there is a big gap in the old and new playstyles. Looking at new decks over the years, it felt like you had to play Synchros or you couldn't win shortly after they came out, same happened for XYZs later, and Link monsters now. And as someone that learned to play when Rituals and Fusions were fairly rare, its hard to really understand how the new stuff works and really feels like you have to use the new stuff to beat the new stuff. Even when Synchros were brand new, it felt like any new Fusion monsters were just as useless as old ones and you had to use Synchros to keep up. Otherwise, turn three you were hoping to get out a 2 tribute monster while your opponent had something like Stardust out already. Its not an easy thing for older players that didn't keep up with it to get back into it as a result, you pretty well have to forget what you knew about the game and relearn everything from scratch.
That's the closest issue I've seen to "everyone uses this card", aside from it being because they haven't updated the ban list yet and it deserves to be there because its broken and everyone is riding the "guaranteed win" train.
I'd recommend playing older formats for someone like yourself
I want a full power graceful charity format just to see what kind of decks it could actually break I think it would be so much fun if only for a few weeks.
That kind of format has been workshopped to death, assuming both players are trying to win the result would be you and your opponent playing RPS, and whoever wins RPS wins the match. There are so many FTK decks in YGO history that had to be banned, that unbanning everything would just make the game "who can build the most reliable FTK deck".
- do a hard reset (i don't think there is not a other way to "balance" the game)
- limit the quanitity of special summons or "limit" the way how easy the special summons is
- don't give every theme deck or generic card a "i negate stuff" element
- make decks not play by themself so you just have to learn combos
kinda easy xD
nope nope nope nope
Okay step one we remove all the tuners
are you the one whose shape was snatched?
@@occultproponent4632 no this everyone favorite war criminal Ojama Lime
Step two: remove links they are dumb to make a change in the very structure of your game is borderline insane,even now they are kinda broken since they are way less restrictive than other summoning methods
But my stardust dragon...
@@foserk7063 and my clear wing synchro dragon
Amazing video, would love to see more of those. Time to give my suggestion: Over the course of the first two turns, each player can only activate up to 5 cards in total.
So for example if the player that goes second chooses to activate a handtrap, they can now only activate up to 4 cards when their turn comes around. Similarly the first turn player can only activate cards on his opponents first turn if he did not activate all 5 cards during the first turn.
From the third turn onward the game would just be normal yugioh, so you can still combo off and everything. The change just ensures that both players can make some sort of setup. Would love to know what the flaws of this idea are.
Konami is working on Shapesnatch's idea of banning all the tuner monsters.
A true classic
I hate how this is true
Let me put one suggestion that came to mind.
Restrict Negation.
A lot of the problems ive been seeing in modern YGO is the boards always end in 9+ negates on near unbreakable monsters. So what if we just restrict negations?
Like, you get one card type negation per turn. LIke for example, your pot of extragevence gets ashed. Thats the "Spell" negated. So now your opponent cant negate any more spells that turn. Likewise for Summon, Mon-Effect, and Traps. That way its only 4 negates and your opponent has to figure out what to negate on your combo.
"ways to fix yu gi oh"
1: ban all tuner monsters
Also ban all card effects which change non-Tuners into Tuners.
@@pickyphysicsstudent201 then noodlefiber becomes the only card you are allowed to play at 4 copies
I dont think there is a way to fix YuGiOh. The changes needed to address the common issues with the game, and it's accessibility, would result in essentially an entirely new card game.
Maybe that is what YuGiOh needs though, a spinoff with substantially different mechanics. (Not just scaled back mechanics like we see in speed duels. )
I don't mind the banlist, but I do kinda wish that they'd rotate in some of the forbidden cards to be limited for a format or two, just so that those cards could see a little bit of use again.
That's a silly reason to unban cards. Oh please konami could you unban colossus for a format so I can play my thunder dragon deck? Like you can play with banned cards in casual duels if everyone agrees. But the list is for competitive formats and there are reasons konami won't just put delinquent duo back at 1 or even 3 for a format
@@iBenjamin1000 I think it would be good for competitive formats because it would give the game a way to routinely check the power on certain cards to see if they're still a problem (and no, casual play is not a good enough way to check this). As it is, a ton of cards are just permanently on the banlist and some of them could probably come back to 1 or even 3 but we'll never know because Konami refuses to test it.
Collosus can come back easily
@@palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 no
@@InvaderWeezle They bring back what won’t be a problem and helps sell product. And I think they were testing things when they gradually made the burning abyss monsters the had limited semi then unlimited (I think they semied them first).
Some stuff just needs to stay banned or limited. But I do think they should test some stuff. Tribe infecting virus was on the list for way too lonh
my response to these suggestions:
5)well....I kinda have to agree with this one.if the game started like this then it could have worked,it is too late to implement this.
4)as about making all soft once per turn to hard once per turn I don't see many things wrong with it,sure some cards will become underpowered or even useless,but the benefit will outweight the harm.
konami can just print new better cards.
as about turning all the effects to once per turn.....well I don't mind that either.
naturia beast can go fuck itself.
3)I don't see anything wrong with that,the turns get shorter,the game becomes more accessible fun and balanced.
the decks you mentioned where they "can special summon a lot in a single board but their end board isn't that good"are probably decks that are underpowered and underused,destroying the combo decks is more important.
2)okay I agree,the chess timers will never happen.
1)I agree with the existence of the banlist too,it may not always be enjoyable to see a card getting banned/limited but unfortunately we need it.
The argument of limiting special summons harming some decks isn't a strong one. There will always be decks that are stronger than others.
The benefit of shortening turns and reducing degenerate opening boards far outweigh that small downside of harming some decks. If a deck has 20 special summons a turn and lasts 5 minutes, it should be harmed, even if it isn't that good.
Yessir
The whole point of archetypes like mayakashi, T.G and code talkers, is that they climb, restricting the amount of summons per turn leaves their board in an unplayable and underwhelming state, despite these decks not often seeing play, they still have a following of people trying to innovate and maximize the potential of these strategies. The argument in the last sentence just doesnt make sense.
I've been playing some online CCGs and a lot of them have a format of bring 3 decks opponent bans 1 and you have to win with the other 2 in order to win the round instead of the main deck side deck format of most physical TCGs. I wonder if having every card unbanned and inmplementing a format like that except no cards can be used in multiple decks would make things more intresting and ballenced. if you wanna run 3 pot of greed and 3 graceful charity, sure. but only in one of the 3 decks you bring. or maybe up it to 5 decks with 2 bans who knows. that'd be a cool format.
Remove “missing timing” easy
I wish they would fix some of the more egregious ones. Like half of Gusto
The distinction between if and when is really unintuitive and needs to go.
I've been using a couple fun fixes with my friends and wanted to know what everyone thought. Essentially they are extra deck power limiters because at the end of the day in modern yugioh that's where every play is trying to get to. Fix 1 - your extra deck must be made up of all cards from a single archetype OR all be the same color. This basically makes it impossible to abuse cards outside of their intended purpose. Fix 2- limiting the extra deck to 5 or 10 cards. This greatly restricts the combo and extender pieces you can play.
Most of the current top decks are just one attribute and limiting the extra deck mostly just benefits Eldlich.
@@AlphaSquadZero Those are fair points but I'm not talking about attributes when I say color im referring to the idea that you can ONLY have synchro OR xyz OR pendulum OR link OR fusion but not a combination of them. The one exception would be if you commit to a single archetype. For instance Red Eyes has fusion monsters and xyz within it's archetype. So if wanted you could play both of those as long you commit to playing a Red Eyes extra deck, button then every card in your extra deck would have to be a Red Eyes.
@@ryanwallace59 Oh that color, yea that would definitely kill most rogue decks by taking away dragoon.
As someone who plays Warhammer 40k, chess clocks sound totally doable from someone who plays a game with constant back and forth. You shoot me? I have dice to roll and abilities to use, I use my timer for it and you use yours for yours or we both agree that our whole turn is on our own time responses and all
Edit: Clock opinion aside, keep up the good work
it sounds doable but in practice, if you think about all the cards you have it gets a bit silly especially if you don't know all your effects, cause its not just field. its monster zone, spell trap zone, graveyard,hand, extra deck(?)
@@likky1 In exchange, this applies as well in 40k. If you need to look up your rules; its on your time. Units, army, rulebook, mission, campaign book. It asks players to learn their own rules in a competitive setting
Have we considered that maybe Yugioh as a game is fundamentally designed toward endless powercreep?
a normal and tribute summon per turn format would be cool as an alternate format like goats or something
yes, you can also add some restrictions, like you only get your additional tribute summon per turn if the monster(s) it uses is a level lower, for example if you were level 4, you can summon an additional tribute to a level 5.
in this ways you can balance the mechanic and don't happen nothing crazy like vanity's fiend or use low level monster easy to summon.
@@valdesdanielh6253 oh i didn't even mean something balanced i meant i wouldn't mind seeing it unrestricted just cause it sounds like a cool concept on the side, but i suppose if the format is too cancerous you could do that
When he was talking about how crappy tribute summoning has become I thought people were starting to suggest going full Duelist Kingdom rules where you don't need to tribute to bring out high level monsters. Glad it was something more reasonable.
@@kyuubinaruto17 god could you imagine? that'd be busted as hell
exclude cards from each other so you cant play card x and card y together but can play just card x or card y. could be useful for problems like crystron Halquifibrax so that people could play certain tuners but not crystron Halquifibrax or the other way around.
would probably still be a lot of effort to have something like this due to deciding what cards can and what cant go together.
Ok here’s another one I 100% stand by: they should just throw out “missing the timing”, it’s so broken and messy, it still makes no sense to me (when and if, mandatory, fucking really?) and some archetypes like Gustos would be WAY better with this ruling deleted. Fuck missing the timing and fuck when/if, it’s an archaic ruling and should have been phased out of the game a long time ago.
When they started demanding I pay attention to if the card uses a : or a ; in their card text, that was the last straw
"...get the most out of those 5 summons"
That would kind of be the point. I think that is what people actually want on top of avoiding solitaire.
I still and always will stand by that the Extra Deck number should be ticked up to 20--with how tight the space is now between Fusions and Xyz and especially Links, more space to play extenders or boss monsters would be really appreciated.
I think that would further increase power creep problems you want to limit someone from having too many boss monsters or extenders.
How about extra deck size increasing with main deck size? Eg: 40 Main & 15 Extra, 50 Main & 20 Extra, 60 Main & 25 Extra.
I disagree. If you want to play some combo that requires 10 extra deck slots, then you should have to sacrifice some versatility to do that. If you can have everything you want, the choice is meaningless.
If anything it should be ticked down to 10 slots
Honestly I think adding in new formats or different ways to play would help a ton.
Like a Standard format. Limiting players to only the last 2 years of sets. It’s hard playing with a eternal format all the time. Sometimes it’s great to play with a limited card pool and not have to worry about over 10,000 cards. Worrying about cards you made a decade ago.
Also a singleton format like magic sounds fun. Maybe limit everything to 1 and have a larger deck of 60 or 80 or something. That would add a lot of randomness to games. I don’t think a commander tax would work in yugioh. But working with singles and a larger deck size would suffice.
I want to see a change that encourages having different deck sizes other than 40 main deck cards/15 Extra deck cards
Like for every 2 cards(over 40) you have in the main deck you get 1 more extra deck slot
But now you have the opposite problem. Having 25 extra deck slots would be too broken, everyone would always run 60 card.
Buffs dragon link :)
What if the side deck had 5 extra cards and those extra spots were now dedicated to swapping with the extra deck?
@@tootsie_ I used 2 for 1 as an example because I thought 4 for 1 was a little much, but either way it would encourage different main deck sizes.
Of course this would have to be tested out first, but at least it's an easy thing to test in most simulators
@@OutlawStar26ep 4 for 1 sounds a little more reasonable I think. 60 20 is a nice balance
Maybe a counter solution to limiting special summon to 5 is to keep track which single monster zone has been occupied in the same turn, my idea is that no newly summoned [special ou normal] monster in a turn can occupy the same single monster zone previously occupied, at the start of your turn, in this same turn more than once, or more than twice for non occupied ones.
An example of this rule: at the start of a duel, you can summon up to 10 times (not accounting for extra monster zone), 2 for each singular monster zone, but in the middle of the duel if you already have 4 monster in your monster zone side of the field at the start of your turn, you can only summon in this turn up to 6 monsters in your monster zone (4 for each already occupied singular monster zone plus 2 for the non occupied one).
For this idea to work you would need to keep track which singular monster zone has been occupied and for how many times a turn, this would require an external apparatus, like a dice or a slideable gadget which you would have to remember to set and reset at the start of each ones turns. This rule would require a lot more strategy from the player than just summoning monsters to summon more monsters and attention to how you use your monster zone in order to keep sinergy with your link monsters. Also I can see meta changing to revolve around cards that occupy your opponents monster zone or block them from use. Also this rule wouldn't punish that hard long combos since with a clean monster field you can summon up to 10 monster + unlimited summons in your extra monster zone a turn, but it will limit you more if you already have lots of monsters on your side of the field. I can also see some interesting interactions since this rule would not limit your summons if you do them in your opponents turn, so more reasons to keep ultimate offering banned but we could see new archtypes which could focus on that.