Fertility Doctors Are Bullying Women Into IVF | Guest: Catie VanDamme | Ep 980
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- Today, we're sitting down with Catie VanDamme, contributor to the Federalist. She discusses her experiences with ob-gyn doctors who pushed IVF as the only way to get pregnant due to her diagnosed endometriosis and reveals how one of her doctors even questioned if she really wanted to be a mother at all, leaving her in tears. She also reveals what helped her conceive - charting her cycle with NaProTECHNOLOGY, a holistic and natural method that worked with her body. We give some encouragement for women who might be struggling with infertility and explain God's role in it all.
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Timecodes:
00:00 Intro
00:45 Finding out about fertility issues
12:15 Growing prominence of IVF
18:29 Second and third doctor experience
33:02 NaPro Technology
42:00 Morality of IVF
53:05 Restorative reproductive medicine
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Was diagnosed at 24. Married at 25. Told by a fertility dr that chances of pregancy even through ivf would be futile. A month after that devastating appointment, we found out I was pregnant. Had my first baby at 28, second baby at 29, no interventions either. Had my left ovary removed at 30 because it had been taken over by cysts and endometrial tissue. Was told how lucky i was to have the 2 because conceiving a third time would be very difficult due to my medical history. Had my third at 32. Praise God!
Oh wow! What a beautiful testimony you have here! God is so good.
The doctors told you one thing… God laughed and said, “Watch what I’m gonna do for you!”
Sounds like the doctors were very wrong
I love this! ❤
I swear doctors can be very wrong sometimes. Thankfully in some cases!! Like yours! ❤😇
My husband went through 3 years of chemotherapy for leukemia and after we were told we had about a 1% chance of getting pregnant naturally. Even though we both wanted kids so badly, it was our dream, with the power of the Holy Spirit, we were able to make peace with a (biological) childless future. We knew IVF does not honor God or his plan and design for sex and making a family. 3 years later, we got pregnant with our oldest. Now I am pregnant with #3. Doctors are NOT God and can NOT predict the future. It’s so important for Christian women to keep telling women IVF is not the way. Give your life to God and his timing. Pray for God to give you peace that pregnancy may never happen. You do NOT need to have children to be a valued Christian wife or woman. God loves you no matter your womb.
AMEN!!! 🙌♥
How old were you when you had your kids?
@@Drowning_Girl26 with my first, 28 with my second and giving birth this fall to my 3rd at 29 ❤
@@blossom9881 to God be all the glory. May God bless you and your beautiful family.
Love this.
I was told I’d probably never conceive naturally by 2 different providers. I had PCOS. Yes “had.” I was told the syndrome isn’t curable.
I ate Keto for one year while exercising and going to acupuncture.
I ended up getting a normal period for the first time in my life, and 9 regular cycles later I fell pregnant. I had 3 babies in less than 3 years. I have had no pcos symptoms since. Also no extra or large cysts! Completely gone.
Glory to God!
Yes there’s a fantastic PCOS channel on UA-cam that is by a PCOS dietitian. Things like inositol, keto, gf/df and spearmint tea, sleeping enough and reducing endocrine disruptors in household products can turn it around. So many doctors are uninformed. I can’t imagine how many women are out there heartbroken and feeling helpless when there is so much they could do!
@@jennprescott2757 What is the channel name? I'd love to learn. I'm 21 with PCOS. I haven't had a cycle in a year so I saw a doctor and they said my chances of conceiving are slim to none. I'd like to try to be as healthy as I can so when it's time to have a baby, I can.
My husband is a quadriplegic and we consulted a doctor before getting married. We can be intimate but weren’t sure if his spinal cord injury would affect fertility. They suggested we jump right to IVF because there was no chance naturally. This was before any tests. I got pregnant naturally the first month we were married and now we have three kids…😂
That's awesome ❤
Praise God!! Wow that’s amazing
Wow!!! Amazing!
I love all these wonderful testimonies! God is so good!
God has blessed you immensely 😊
Lots of comments from one side so I wanted to take the time to address the couples who are in a season of waiting. My wife and I are still in that season. Praying for God to be the one who brings you joy and comfort.
“Yet I will rejoice in the Lord. I will be joyful in God my Savior.”
Yes, these are important to hear as well. Praying right now for His nearness and growth for you!
Amen.
Thank you for this. My husband and I have been in waiting for a while and it's hard to remain hopeful but we know the Lord will provide 🙏 thank you for sharing
Husband and I tried over a year after a miscarriage and decided to get some tests done. Everything came back normal but they were ready to start us on IUI and IVF right away. We decided to take the summer to try naturally and committed to start IVF if we weren’t pregnant by the fall time. Found out we were pregnant the first day of fall. God is GOOD! Due June 3rd with our first child ❤
When doctors say there is no other way that means there is no other way that they know of.
I'm 42 and 18 weeks pregnant naturally. I took vitex, folate, and charted my cycles.
I was told as a young women I'd never have children naturally, even recommended to have my ovaries removed at age 18 (insane!). My husband and I just found out we're pregnant, it's truly all in the Lord's timing. I trusted God with that fully, even if I was meant not to be a mom. He has surely blessed us. ❤
Congratulations!!! 🙏🙏🙏
Congratulations mama!! I hope I'm able to have a baby someday. I'm 21 with PCOS. I love all these testimonies of success. Gives me hope!
I know a woman who had her first baby in her late thirties/early forties through IVF. Per doctor recommendation, she made significant diet changes in order to reduce uterine inflammation and increase the chances of implantation. She learned that healthier foods taste better and didn't go back to packaged foods and commercial desserts. She ended up pregnant again 3 months postpartum. What I would want to ask the doctor is: if you knew my diet was impacting fertility, why did you not give me nutrition and lifestyle counseling BEFORE these "treatments"?
I agree that diet is extremely important, but unfortunately, doctors have learned that most of the time, patients want quick solutions instead of long-term lifestyle changes. As a European now living in the US, I am shocked at what people eat here and what is considered "food". It's the entire system and mindsets that would need to be changed, so no wonder that "just" IVF is seen as an easier option.
I’m a grandmother now, but when I was young, and had endometriosis, a precious angel who owned a health food store took the time to teach me about nutrition. She coached me and told me by changing my diet , that I could completely get rid of my endometriosis and avoid the surgery my doctor wanted to perform. She was a Christian, too. It seemed surreal , and it was difficult, but I stuck to it and sure enough, by diet alone and the will of God, my endometriosis was GONE!! I hope someone will be encouraged by this. The “ food” we eat in the USA is junk and is making us sick. It’s difficult to eat healthy, but worth it if we want to have health.
Can you share what diet changes you made and what you eat mostly ?@@elizabethann8228
@@elizabethann8228 Praise the Lord!
@@LykaLo I pray to see a huge shift in our healthcare. I'm a nutritionist (qualified) working with mommas and young children, and I see that mindset every day, even when I'm offering the very simplest solution. It's so sad.
I was told by fertility clinic that I have a cyst blocking my cervix and needed surgery it was a Wednesday, I went home discouraged. MIRACLE, I was pregnant during that doctor visit! My daughter is turning 18 this month! Adopted my second daughter.
As someone who just started seeing a NaPro doctor (because I too was being pushed down the IVF rabbit hole) this story gives me so much hope. It also just affirms my conviction that IVF is not the route for my family planning. I cannot wait to have a testimony like this to share soon!
Thank you for doing this episode. I was told at 25 by a male gynaecologist that I had PCOS and I would be unable to conceive naturally, and I would need his help. He had a terrible bedside manner, and when he went to do a cervical examination, asked if I wanted a female to come and hold my hand while he did so.
Fast forward to present day I’m 32 years old with a healthy one year, and currently pregnant with my second baby after dietary and lifestyle changes. I was able to put PCOS in remission and have conceived naturally and healthy.
A lot of these doctors don’t know what they’re talking about.
I think finding a good nutritionist and reducing stresses in your life has a better impact. Furthermore, it is always God’s timing. ✝️🙏🏻
The problem with PCOS is not ovulating (or at least not every month). That can be solved quite easily with a shot such as letrozole to trigger ovulation and then conceive naturally. IVF is different and not needed in this case.
@@LykaLoThe meds that are supposed to trigger ovulation in PCOS patients often don’t work in which case IVF is recommended. Even if they do work, women who conceive with pcos are at much higher risk of pregnancy diseases like gestational diabetes and preeclampsia because the underlying issue has not been resolved. Not to mention, they are still at a hugely increased risk of uterine cancer.
Treating with a low carb diet and fasting can resolve pcos in a matter of months allowing natural conception. Doctors won’t tell you that though because it doesn’t make them any money.
I learned about insulin resistance and it’s link to pcos after 10 years of doctors saying there was no hope, just take the drugs. Now my pcos is gone and I’ve carried two healthy full-term pregnancies with no fertility treatments.
They don't know what they are talking, they are playing God, and/ OR they are corrupted by money and trying to play on your fear and sell you something.
@@LykaLo that’s only one issue. PCOS is part genetic and part lifestyle and if people can do the lifestyle things - keto for insulin resistance, inositol, spearmint tea, slow weighted workouts rather than high intensity, sleeping enough, reducing endocrine disruptors in products - you can bring health to your body. Artificially forcing ovulation will not help you long term.
@@jennprescott2757 Oh, I 100% agree. Treating PCOS is complicated. But when it comes to having kids and that alone, it's very much possible to do so without treating PCOS at its core and without resorting to IVF. I have more than one friend who got pregnant multiple times, and each time, it was because they were given an ovulation shot. They still have PCOS, but they also were able to have multiple kids despite having the condition. So it's not true that PCOS prevents women from having kids.
I was diagnosed with PCOS at 15. Was placed on birth control at 16. Stopped taking it by 17. Almost lost my left ovary when I was 19. Figured out how to control my symptoms, and even balance my hormones naturally with diet and exercise.
Without fertility intervention, I had our first baby at 22, and am currently pregnant with our 5th baby. My OB says I'm perfectly healthy and could probably keep having healthy pregnancies and babies up until hitting menopause, should I choose.
Could you share what your main diet change was? Or if you had anything that seemed to work better? My sister struggles with PCOS and does all the natural things in the world and her symptoms have seemed to have gotten worse. She is a highly stressed kind of person though so I wonder how that contributes sometimes.
@@chelseabarker2250Read “The PCOS Plan” by Nadia Pateguana and Jason Fung. They explain the underlying cause of PCOS, lay out a low carb diet plan, and recommend a fasting regimen.
I switch out the carbs and started doing daily 23 hour fasts. My severe PCOS has now resolved, I lost 120 lbs, and am pregnant with baby #2. Praise the Lord!
As someone that spent 4 years trying for baby #2 and who went through 2 fertility doctors I couldn’t be more thankful for my reproductive endocrinologist. I never felt pressured at all. It was a blessing. For those who experience infertility it’s a blessing.
It was surreal to watch this conversation because this woman had very VERY similar experiences to me - I believe our story is very common and not talked about nearly enough. IVF truly IS a cash cow and is being pushed on everyone regardless of their actual fertility situation. I got married at 35, started ttc 6 months later and we got pregnant right away but had a miscarriage at 5 weeks, then another, then another, all very early. I went to an reproductive endocrinologist who told us IVF was probably the best option, but it didn't make any sense - my problem was sustaining the pregnancy, not getting pregnant. I took matters into my own hands and did acupuncture/Chinese herbs, changed my diet, took supplements and was pregnant with a healthy baby less than 2 months later. When I wanted to have my second and third babies, my OBs told me I was SOOOOOO old (39 and 41 respectively) and I should go straight to IVF and not even bother to try on my own. I didn't listen and did try on my own. I had a few early miscarriages each time - when trying for my third baby I finalllllly got fed up and was able to track down a NAPRO doctor (not easy - these doctors are hard to find). My doctor told me I was dealing with inflammation and I needed to eliminate caffeine, dairy and gluten. I did and was pregnant with my third baby the following month at age 41 - it took me less than 6 months to get and stay pregnant at 41, which was half the time it took me at 36! I have counfounded my OBs at each pregnancy and saved us a literal fortune, plus the heartbreak of embryo harvesting and going outside of God's design. Praise God. Don't let any doctor who has too much money to make off of you determine how to care for your fertility.
I’ve really thought about telling our story of “Catholic, traditional, yet childless. And why.”
I want women to know there are other options like this convo points out. And that children are a gift, not a right and not a burden. A gift. And there can be peace and joy in being VEHEMENTLY pro family while being childless. For example, I’m so happy for this lady and that God answered her prayers for her child. Even if it isn’t in the cards for me to be a parent. It was His plan for her and her husband, and that’s beautiful. He has a plan for me too, and that’s okay too. Good, even.
This was an awesome conversation. Hope it’s spread far and wide. The Catholic Church has been saying this stuff for a long time, glad to see other Christians also discerning and spreading the good news and joy that God is in control of life. ❤
Such a beautiful post. You are a very gracious lady. ❤
@@lindasteinbrenner8065thank you 😊. The Lord has blessed us anyway. For example, currently my husband is able to take care of his elderly parents in ways I don’t know if he could have if we’d decided not to let God be in control.
I just have to say … you’re awesome! I just love the compassion in your heart for others. Consider me a fan.❤
@@TNJackieyou’re way too kind, thank you ☺️
I'm really glad other Catholics talk about that, thank you for telling your story. I just had a *heated* debate with family on easter monday around contraception and ivf and i found out there is only two people out of family of 10 that agree with me and my husband (and our Catholic church) on these topics. And we are all Catholic, at mass every sunday. I was really shocked, because i thought we would agree.. boy was i wrong 😅
After getting off the depo shot, we had tried for a baby for a year. With no progress, my OB said that I was infertile and noticed that two of my hormones were off. She thought I had a tumor on my pituitary gland and scheduled an MRI. At that time, I started keto and found out I was pregnant the day before my MRI. God reminded me to take care of my body and reset myself before falling into despair!
I’m currently having the same exact problem! My prolactin was in the 200s and my OB thought I had a tumor on my pituitary gland. I did have an MRI and I just found out last week I don’t have a tumor. I’ll be honest, I feel kind of lost. I’m trying extreme diet changes (which I have already been doing for two months before my blood work which revealed I had high prolactin). I’m hoping it helps, but we will see.
'Salvation is a gift for the guilty, not a reward for the Righteous' Rev.Steve Lawson
Since there are so many beautiful birth stories on here ill share my second birth story.
My husband and i had been trying to get pregnant with a 2nd baby for over a year. I wasn't ever worried and never even considered going to a dr about it (i dont trust them, for the most part sorry! God is the Great Physician!). One night i was visiting my friend at her church service and it was a very open and relaxing atmosphere. People were playing praise songs quietly for us all to enjoy and it was an open time for anyone to speak a Word from the Lord or read a verse. I was reading the Bible through chronologically at the time and i had read Psalm 105 as my reading that morning. Well, that night someone read that very same passage and i was praying and when i heard that i thought it was amazing but didnt know what to make of it. Then, toward the end they told us to get into small groups and pray together. I only knew my one friend there, and she knew very few people too, but rather than pray with her i felt the need to stand up and ask who had read psalm 105? A pregnant woman raised her hand. I thought how interesting, but went over and told her i think i may be supposed to pray with her. She was with another man, Grover, from the church who knew her well. The 3 of us circled up. It turned out her name was Rachel. I told her we had been trying to get pregnant for over a year and I wasnt worried, but maybe she was supposed to pray for me. Grover immediately warned me that I'd better be sure of what i was asking for, that Rachel had already prayed this prayer for someone else and within the month they were pregnant. I said yes, so we prayed together. It was such a sweet encounter, and i never saw either of them ever again. The church was just a temporary stop for my friend while she lived an hour away from me for a short time. So we never went back to tell them that within a few months i did end up pregnant, and had a little boy the next year. I now understand why Grover said "are you sure this is what you want?" It was the hardest time of my life, but my son is such a gift to me. God provides ❤
Not an IVF story but I’d like to share how doctors push things on you: I went to my pediatrician (I was 20 at the time) and discussed how when I get my period my anxiety increases and I get loss of appetite which effects my stomach. Immediately she said I need to go on birth control and it would fix everything! I am against birth control so I luckily was strong enough to not trust her. I went to therapy to manage my anxiety and I’ve been doing better.
My husband and I do not agree with IVF. And that was never an option for us. But once we heard of embryo adoption, our hearts were turned towards trying to get those kids out of frozen orphanages and bring attention to their plight.
We were wary of working with IVF clinics but eventually found one that said it was Christian (no selective abortion recommendations, and we were told that they won’t freeze embryos, which we later found out is not true).
Because I had endometriosis, the IVF doctor insisted that I needed to do a surgery to remove endometriosis before transferring the embryos so that my body wouldn’t create a potentially toxic environment for them. The doctor said there’s a possibility that if a fallopian tube was swollen, he would recommend having it taken out, again to prevent possibly harming the embryos we were adopting.
When I woke up from the surgery, I was told they had to remove both fallopian tubes, but I was never given a full explanation as to how swollen they were.
Long story short, we went through with the embryo adoption. Of the eight embryos we adopted, only three survived to transfer (the rest were too damaged by their previous freezing process and died in the petri). Unfortunately, I ended up miscarrying early.
When we followed up with the IVF doctor, he then made the comment that they frequently deliver babies to women with endometriosis, and that he personally doesn’t think that it’s necessary to remove the fallopian tubes, but the head doctor at his clinic requires it.
I was so sick when I heard that. Why wasn’t I told that before. I have been sterilized by the removal of my fallopian tubes to “protect the embryos” only to be told afterwards that there is debate as to whether that even affects the embryos or not.
You seem more upset that you were rendered infertile and thus unable to flash the false virtue of "saving" a snowflake baby than you are by the abomination of convincing people to support the Godless abomination that is the IVF industry. I could be wrong.
😢 I'm sorry 😞 my dr found endometriosis in my right ovary I haven't been able to get pregnant. Infertility is painful 😞
Wow I am so sorry.
I almost did ivf.. The day I had to sign the contract, my pregnancy test was positive -natural twins! Had endometriosis and blocked tubes. But after 1 month of Visan and laparoscopy for endometriosis diagnosis - bam, natural pregnancy! And 12 months later - pregnant again. I am not opposed to ivf in general
Did you have endometrial tissue removed outside of your uterus? I am considering that surgery.
After my second baby was born I needed a uterine surgery to remove the placenta. My surgeon told me the procedure caused scaring that would probably make it hard for me to get pregnant again or carry a healthy pregnancy. I got pregnant with our third after only two months of trying. Ultrasounds have confirmed the presence of scaring but baby is healthy, growing well and due in 8 weeks! Not everything a doctor tells you about your fertility is written in stone.
My fertility doctor couldn't figure out why my husband and i weren't able to conceive, and he was also rude to me, and told us that we would not ever be able to conceive a child and look into adoption. I guess God and my body rebeled against his words and i got pregnant naturally two months later.
I personally do not know anyone who had an IVF baby with zero complications. And I personally know someone who did it shockingly quick. I was surprised they didn’t wait to see what would happen before jumping right in. I’m soo against it, even though I love all the littles I’ve met who have life because of it.
I got one and I would do it again. Zero complications. But we had low egg count. Only got 3 embryos and only one worked. I'm not saying everyone should get it for any reason, but low egg count people who've tried for many years should look into it.
My second baby is an ivf baby and there were no complications. So thankful for ivf. We waited four years before undergoing it.
I was born via i f 33 years ago due to zero motility sperm. Perfectly healthy and mother of 5 children all conceived naturally.
Hello, Allie and team. I’m a brazilian sister in Christ who loves to watch you. I always learn, laugh and leave encouraged. May God bless you all and continue to enable this wonderful work.
Ps: Brazil is also living crazy times. Would you consider talking some day to conservative journalist Paulo Figueiredo about what’s going on around here? That would be great.
Do these doctors not understand that we only release ONE egg (generally) per month? So even if your reserve is “low” you’ll still have a period until those eggs are done, Or thereabouts.
I had mine tested last year at 44 and I was “low” but I got pregnant after going Keto for three months and using progesterone suppositories after my positive test.
I’m 28 weeks now and he’s doing so well! The doctors were amazed!
The way the medical industry gaslights, lies about and straight up mistreats women's health is absolutely baffling to me. So many women, including myself, have suffered needlessly for so long.
Drs really don't know everything...I was diagnosed at 19 with endometriosis after dealing with problems since I was 12 and being brushed off. After I was married, I was told by my gynecologist I wouldn't be able to get pregnant on my own without their help. At my first appt. She delivered my first child a year later, when I decided to go off birth control bc I hated it and why be on it if I can't get pregnant? I went on to have two more children, before the endo got so bad i had to have a hysterectomy.
Struggling with infertility for 2 years now. I’m about to turn 36 and it’s so stressful. We’ve done 4 rounds of IUI and my doc told me after 6 I would need to do IVF. I don’t agree with IVf so there isn’t a chance I’ll do it. I don’t fully understand why I can’t keep doing iui for the next however many years. Please keep us in your prayers. I believe God will bless us with 2 kids- I can’t explain it but I have peace I’ll get pregnant. It’s just difficult waiting
I will pray God gives you a baby!!
Try going carnivore. Eat fatty red meat and water. There have been so many stories of people conceiving at older ages after going carnivore. And I pray the Lord blesses you with children. My sister got married at 34 and has since had 5 beautiful, healthy children so it is very possible in your 30s and 40s.
I second an animal based diet for both men and women. I’m an acupuncturist and deal with infertility almost every day in the clinic. Can’t tell how many times I’ve seen women with ‘unexplained’ or explained infertility due to all sorts of causes get pregnant within months after going very low carb animal based, carnivore+lots of full fat (ideally raw) dairy + most cases adding berries with fruit. Other cases resolved after fixing underlying background chronic stress that people initially weren’t even aware they had. Best of luck to you 🙏
Diet?
Have you looked for a NaPro Technology doctor?
The thing I don’t understand is why these fertility doctors would jump into IVF for a patient that had not yet tried or ruled out other reasons after actually experiencing infertility.
Why would they not have advised her to go home and try? Also was her husband examined to check sperm count and motility?
It doesn’t make sense to me.
I was shocked by this too. I know several women who have gone through IVF. It took several years of trying on their own before a doctor would agree to start the process of IVF. And it lead to devastating results anyways.
The more people who do IVF and have IVF babies, the easier the narrative that it's ethical and fine to do so will spread. I think that, and of course making as much money as possible by going for the most expensive treatment for a problem first.
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@@RCGWhofor who. All these procedures cost the patient a lot too so many doctors realize this and with IVF having the greatest outcomes, they will recommend that. If someone has $25k to spare then they could either try a bunch of random stuff or do a cycle of ivf and have much greater odds at a live birth. It’s all a numbers game in the ivf world.
These doctors aren't crap. I was in my 30s with all four of our children. They told me it was never going to happen and my last baby was at almost 40, and all we did was download the Flo app and were intimate during ovulation and boom. We got pregnant every single time we tried. Our first baby has Down syndrome, when I went for my 20 week ultrasound, they told us and offered a abortion before telling me congratulations. After a traumatic birth at the hospital, I never went back and had our next three at home.
Good for you sister! It's unbelievable the arrogance of some doctors. God bless you and your family.
Was told having kids would be difficult if it was possible after I lost my left ovary due to endometrial tissue and ovarian cysts that burst my ovary (severely painful), had bad endometriosis, fast forward 12 years...today I'm 39 weeks pregnant with my 5th baby.
God is in control, that's all I can say! 😅❤
Did you have any endometrial tissue removed? I'm considering that surgery after 8 years of infertility.
@lulumarie7 yes I did, when they removed my left ovary (when it burst), they also removed the endometrial tissue that was all over the place.
@lulumarie7 I'm so sorry for your journey. I am certain you've researched everything but I just want to say I did switch to a more hormone friendly diet and drank red raspberry leaf tea and supplemented with magnesium glycinate, maca root, and ova-inositol I think it was called. But things really did improve when they removed my ovary, I have to say.
@@jennadasch thank you for responding and sharing your experience.
I found out I have endometriosis and PCOS AFTER having four kids. So anyone telling women they for sure can't get pregnant with those conditions does NOT know that for sure.
Yup! My mother in law accidentally got pregnant. She was told she was infertile with endometriosis. It happens more than people think! Just because you have PCOS or endometriosis doesn’t necessarily mean you can’t get pregnant or are infertile.
When I was in my 20’s, we tried to get pregnant. After a year, my doc gave me the fertility pill called Clomid. I took one pill and was pregnant immediately (I wonder if the pill even made a difference). It was a difficult pregnancy with pre-eclampsia and hospitalization, but it was successful. Our daughter was born 4 weeks early. A few years later we were ready for a second child so we looked into adoption. We had a friend who had a daughter that wanted to give up her baby for adoption. We met with her and she was struggling to decide between us and another family and I said choose the other family. I’m Pregnant!! Another very risky pregnancy but she was only two weeks early. I was warned another pregnancy could kill me. I didn’t want my two girls being without their mom so I made the hard choice to have a tubal ligation. A few years later we ended up adopting two more babies, both boys. I really feel God brought our 4 children to us. They are now all adults and two are married with children of their own. I never in a million years thought I would be a grandma to six. I wasn’t supposed to ever have children. I’m on dialysis now because of kidney damage from both pregnancies, but it is all worth it. God works miracles. ❤ PS, I take a test tomorrow to see if I can qualify for a kidney transplant. Please pray for me that God’s will be done. (No matter what that is). Thank you!
I needed to hear this video tonight! I have been going through infertility for 4 years this year. I have been battling on if I should start ivf. I just haven’t been able to make the first testing appointment. I have chosen to not do ivf. I am trusting God through my process and I feel at peace now with my decision. This video has confirmed my decision!
Definitely checkout the Creighton method and NAPRO technology to conceive naturally, the guest mentioned that the worked for her in the end.
We had 3 miscarriages last year all under 8 weeks. We went to get tests done and knew going in we didn't want to do IVF. The Dr said the same thing to me that my egg health was lower than they'd like but ALL the other tests came back great. He started discussing the IVF process and I said we don't want to do IVF. He had the audacity to say "most women come in to see me and start IVF after 2 miscarriages. Isn't 3 enough?" 😡 we are taking measures to better our chances at home naturally. I'll be praying for all of you in the comments waiting on your miracle baby like we are ❤
It’s crazy how much doctors are pushing it. When we were struggling 11 years ago, IVF was never brought up by the fertility specialists. At least for me.
After a few years of unsuccessfully getting pregnant, my husband and I worried that IVF would have to be our answer despite everything looking good “on paper.” After listening to many of your IVF and surrogacy episodes, I started praying fiercely to God that I wanted to get pregnant naturally. And lo and behold, He answered our prayers. For such a miracle as this, I thank God every day for my healthy baby girl. I am living a dream ❤
I am thankful for my Catholic marriage preparation that provided resources for NaPro technologies and required my husband and I to complete natural family planning courses. There are several methods out there - Creighton, symptothermal, Billings, etc!
Love Creighton.
Got pregnant really easily with my first pregnancy and had a loss 9 weeks later. No OB could give me answers. Saw a functional doctor and did extensive lab work. I have low progesterone caused by hypothyroidism. Second pregnancy I took progesterone from the beginning and successfully carried my baby to term. Progesterone supplementation is standard at the beginning of IVF. I hate to think what would’ve happened if I hadn’t seen a functional doctor. Would’ve continued to miscarry and probably would’ve done IVF back then. Not knowing that all I needed was some progesterone. If you’re dealing with infertility advocate for yourself!
It has taken hubby and i 6 months average to get pregnant everytime(4 pregnancies, 3 births) its just how our bodies seem to work together. Ibremember being terrified i would need assistance after 4 months with my first. So not true. God just knew which little babies He wanted to give us, so we had to wait around a little bit lol
6 months is pretty normal , I think most people think it happens fast like teenagers in the back of a car ..
Catie is such a pleasant gal!! Would love for her to be a show regular. She has such a calming, encouraging, joyful demeanor.
IVF seems to be the opposite extreme of abortion. The "healthcare" systems exploit the woman's desperation both ways. I desperately WANT a baby! OR I desperately DON'T WANT a baby.
Both give the option of not having to rely on God.
I was told at 18 that I had endometriosis and a double uterus(didelphic) double cervix…..that most likely I wouldn’t be able to have kids. If I did get pregnant I would most likely miscarry. Or have a very preterm baby. Fast forward, I married at 21 and we started trying and a year went by…nothing. My obgyn did a laparoscopy and lasered out the endometriosis and made sure my tubes were open and not blocked by the endometriosis. Surgery was successful and I started clomid after a few months of taking ovulation tests and finding out that even though I was having periods every month I wasn’t ovulating or I was ovulating too late in the cycle. Took 4 months of clomid and I got pregnant with number 1. Delivered at 37 weeks because of preeclampsia. When she was 9 months we started trying again. After a year on clomid and nothing we did another laparoscopy and kept trying but nothing. Saw a specialist and was told IVF was my only option of getting pregnant again 🙄🤔. I knew I could get pregnant without IVF since I had one already. We decided against it and trusted the Lord. A few weeks after my daughter turned 3 I found out I was pregnant with number 2! carried him to 38 and 6 days. We started trying for number 3 when number 2 was 2 years. Had a couple of early Miscarriages and so we tried clomid again and got pregnant the first month. Fast forward I was told by my current doctor since we had a hard time getting pregnant with the others and took either a long time or having to use clomid not to worry about getting pregnant if I was exclusively BF. I got pregnant 4 months post partum no meds. Exclusively BF. Fast forward I am not carrying number 7 and am due in 4 weeks! no meds with any other kids. I changed my diet ate healthy and exercised. I was always thin so weight wasn’t an issue but I definitely believe how we eat and exercise makes a huge difference. God is good and I’m so blessed to have 6 healthy babies and one more coming soon. Also I only carry to 37 weeks after baby 3 because of the double uterus and there being risk for uterine rupture if I go into labor. Baby number 3 I had a tear in my uterus when the doctor performed my csection. So for safety of baby and I …I deliver at 37. And they are all Csection babies! Myth that you can’t have more than 2/3 csections. Obviously it’s case by case but I have a wonderful obgyn.
This really helped me thank u! 7 months trying atm and ivf will never be an option..
Ya, I had a conversation with my mom about this trying to explain that surrogacy and IVF are both wrong it's us looking to man to make a woman's dream come true. She didn't agree because a friend of hers tried 9 years and suddenly became successful with a son through ivf. Thanks for sharing. I shall explore this on my own. It is wrong its not from God, but if children do come out of it, they are still a gift from God. ❤
This was so encouraging and enlightening. Thank you for speaking so honestly and tenderly especially to other women walking thru infertility. Bless you both for the God glorifying conversation!!!
I was told by a doctor at 24 that I would never get pregnant due to low AMH. I started looking into to different options in 2020 and I was 28. I found a NaPro doctor and I’ve been pregnant 5 times but I keep miscarrying 😢 they haven’t been able to find the reason why since my follicles grow to the appropriate size and my low progesterone was addressed. Upon recommendation of my NaPro doctor, I even started to see a reproductive immunologist since my immune system was high and I have two clotting disorders. I underwent two biopsies and surgery to remove polyps. I am losing hope and may consider IVF. It is not my first option but the pain of recurrent miscarriage is difficult 😣 I am well aware that I am not the rule when it comes to NaPro and it might work for others.
I was diagnosed with endometriosis just last year and I had to have surgery because of the pain I was having and my doctor told me I have to be on birth control basically forever in order to control my endometriosis but I refused. Now I feel like God healed me but I haven’t gone to the doctor to confirm but I am slightly scared I won’t be fertile I’m married and I do want a child but this is definitely a real topic and very common.
Love how bold graceful women are speaking TRUTH! So encouraging
Dear Allie, thank you for this conversation! You both shared with so much love and care, with so invaluable insights and with the sensitivity of the Holy Spirit. Listening to the testimony gives me hope! And it helped me remember, yes God the almighty is God and I can trust him with what ever He plans for us! Thank you for the work you do and for blessing your audience with such important conversations 🙏♥️
Thank you for this information ladies 💕It help me tremendously!
This is important information. THANK YOU.
I love reading all these stories. Prayers for Gods will and full glory in our journeys ❤❤❤
Amazing story, thank you for sharing! This is why it is so important to explain the stages of our cycles to our young girls so they (and we) can start knowing their baseline/what is normal for each girl from a young age. Empower them with the knowledge of the inherent intelligence of our God-given natural rhythms. Then when we do need a doctor’s help, we are armed with knowledge of our own bodies. Blessings!
If I may… I see a lot of my friends going through IVF . I’ve recommended all my friends to seek a Mexican healer that can massage their cervix through their stomach. Those that listened to me got pregnant within 60 days. Those that didn’t spent 40k in IVF. A Mexican healer charges on average 40 to 80 dollars. Please explore other options that are not found on western medicine.
Love this video. I'm super passionate about this topic right now as my husband and I experienced two miscarriages last year and are currently 12 weeks pregnant. ❤ We don't have any children yet. We went to an RE and he was very helpful, ruled out some bigger issues like bad AMH (although it did come back low for my age), thyroid (had already started taking a low dose medication for this), and an endometriosis cyst that they decided was worth just watching. He also recommended trying progesterone the next pregnancy. All this gave us way more peace of mind, he also reassured us that we WOULD have our baby.❤ So I'm thankful overall for that experience. However, in the last session with him, he DID say that if we continued to have miscarriages and any attempt to treat the endometriosis cyst with medication didn't work, we could always try IVF. He detailed the process of creating 5 to 10 embryos and seeing which ones would be viable, pretty much mentioned discarding the others. It seemed like IVF was his last resort instead of trying to treat anything naturally. My husband and I knew that was not on the table and kindly moved away from that part of the conversation and didn't go back. In the end, it's been my naturopathic doctor who has helped me continue on the journey. He recommended supplements for egg quality and prescribed the progesterone suppositories. I can't say enough good things about how much hope our ND has given us in the journey. He didn't end at IVF but said there is ALWAYS something more we can try to help the process naturally happen for us. 🙏
Scripture is true, it's the Lord who opens and closes the womb
100%
I agree. I haven't been able to get pregnant and I wonder what I have done? I mean I don't think I am a saint nor a perfect woman but I believe in God's grace. But still infertility is very painful and shameful 💔
@henrythecat3094 It can be so many things, not a punishment. It could be timing, it could be do you can see a miracle, it could be so you can adopt. You could fast and pray like Hannah and ask a few people to join you. I've heard so many testimonies of people who adopt and then suddenly get pregnant. Maybe you could foster adopt. My aunt had 7 or so miscarriages, 1 live birth, 1 adoption. Years later she learned what her condition was that caused her to miscarry at 12 weeks repeatedly. I need to ask her again what her condition was called so it might help others. Praying for you.
@@RCGWho thank you.
@@henrythecat3094people asked Jesus “did this man sin or his parents that caused him to be born blind?”, and Jesus answered that no one’s sin caused the blindness but God had allowed it for His glory to be shown. Your body has something going on inside it that isn’t working correctly. There should be no shame from others for that. In fact, as you suffer you join Christ in suffering not for sin but because you are bearing suffering that God allowed to show His glory in your life. It is the opposite of shameful for a Christian to suffer innocently and bravely. Jesus cares very much and carries it with you. All your tears are precious and stored in a bottle in heaven as it says in Revelations. God bless you! ❤
It actually is an HSG.
Hysterosalpingography, or HSG, is an X-ray test to outline the internal shape of the uterus and show whether the fallopian tubes are blocked. In HSG, a thin tube is threaded through the vagina and cervix. A substance known as contrast material is injected into the uterus
I REALLY needed to hear this... such a hard road. I will commit to memorizing that verse, it touched my soul so deeply. Including the statement that "Motherhood and a child isn't God. God is God." Thank you!
Thank you for sharing! Question for Catie- did you find a local doc specializing in NaproTech, or was it something you did via telemedicine?
Thank you.
Please consider having a Napro Technology doctor on the show. Dr. Naomi Whittaker is amazing, and has a wonderful Instagram platform. Your guest here touches on Napro, but it would be so beneficial to have a doctor on to go more in depth, because this problem with the mainstream fertility doctors pushing IVF without investigating any further is SO prevalent. Not just for women trying to conceive, ALL women deserve better health care.
i never dealt with doctors much growing up just typical yearly visits so i didn't really have an opinion on it but man i had/am having 3 kids back to back and going to the first ob appointments during covid right after the vaccine coming out and my ob practically trying to shame me and tell me i'm harming my baby everytime i saw her because i refused to get the vaccine and then the care my first son got at hospitals (soooo many pointless painful things he had to go through) then i had two different paediatricians with him and am planning on looking for a different one soon, and also all the stuff i've gone through with my second son (nothing bad but i had a different ob and it's interesting seeing how i'm having two babies and it seems like the information is just dependant on the doctor you're seeing) it is just obvious how they're basically just experimenting on you again and again and again and again. like with my first doctor wanting me to get the covid vaccine probably 3 months after it had been approved and she told me it was 100% safe and effective and i was just thinking in my mind ok but if it isn't are you going to be held liable for trying to force me into getting this? she literally shamed me and was so rude to me everytime she saw me because of it. whether it was because she truly thought i was hurting my child or she needed the information , ok x amount of pregnant women got covid vaccine during 1st trimester and we have a 20% incline in miscarriages. that's how i believe they're getting there information theyre just testing on you and give you some info to get you to take or do whatever and then what your outcomes are in 5 years they will change there recommendations
If it helps encourage you, I think you are making the right decision. I took my ob at her word and got the vaccine in the first trimester like she recommended. It did nothing to protect me from getting covid.
I still got covid twice while pregnant. The second time was at 39 weeks. That same doctor refused to give me in-person care for 2 weeks after a positive test. I came back into the office after 41 weeks for an ultrasound and baby was in terrible shape. No movement, very low fluids, heart-rate decelerations. Apparently covid is linked with placental inflammation and can cause these issues along with still-birth, but getting the stupid vaccine didn’t prevent any of it. Thankfully we were able to get him out safely with an emergency c-section. These doctors don’t really care about us.
Great conversation
Dr. Robert Kiltz would be a great follow up to this interview!
I’ve heard great things about acupuncture and infertility. I’ve done it for acne and hormonal regulation and it worked wonders! I’m 10 months post partum and am going to start it again to help with PPA/PPD and to help with hormones. I haven’t been diagnosed with infertility but I could see it being very useful for that too.
When I was at UC Irvine, there was a scandal at the medical center -- doctors selling women's frozen eggs.
Is there going to be a similar scandal in the near future, with doctors selling frozen embryos?
Good interview. I quibble with calling NaProTech holistic, though. It's actually reductionist in the same way as other diagnostic methods. Observe details of symptoms, deduce underlying contributing factors. It's just, y'know, more comprehensive and accurate.
Wife had low egg count. We were not pushed on IVF but we did it after 2 years of trying. We got three embryos and only one was successful. Now I got a beautiful daughter.
There is a time and a place for everything. But I would do it all again and encourage other with low egg counts to do it.
We have had two IUI procedures. Will not be pursuing IVF. More IUI, sure, but not IVF. Couldn't do it financially even if we chose IVF!
My sisters and I all used NAPRO technology to heal our hormone imbalances as teenagers and young adults. I personally know many women who saw our same Napro doctor and got pregnant within months of using the Creighton method.
I believe IVF can be done morally.... just sadly most of the time it is not.
I seriously thought IVF started out with the troubleshooting & more detailed testing, like hormones.
And ESPECIALLY progesterone. It's so widely known that hormone sustains pregnancy.
But obviously not as well known to those not in Mom groups or seeking this info.
I only found out about it after hearing other people's stories of miscarriage etc, when in Mom groups after my 1st at 28yo.
Well and maybe a little before, because Arbonne had a progesterone product that was widely used & loved. So it was talked about a little there.
So strange the more natural doctor had to come along to do this BASIC stuff, after 3 other professional fertility docs 🥴
Excellent video, beautiful ladies 💗🌸✝️
- God Bless all the little ones
This is so important at as a newly married women this all is so scary
There have been several times lately that your You Tube episodes have been too quiet. Hope this can be fixed 😊
I’m finding the new set background so distracting every time they zoom out. The different walls and shelves look so bizarre to me. I miss the old set!
I don’t understand why your doctor told you that you would need to do further testing or whatever after trying for six months. EVERY resource I have ever looked at - online or otherwise - has said that the benchmark for seeking fertility assistance if you’re under 35 is 1 year. Not 6 months. It takes the typical healthy couple an average of 6 months to get pregnant naturally. 4 months is literally no time at all.
I was concived via narural ivf 33 years ago due to male factor infertility. My mother had me at 40 years old. I am healthy as can be and went on to conceive 5 children naturally. I held my mother 5 years ago as she passed. My sister and i were her greatest joy in life. Ivf is a gift of life. I thank God everyday I'm here and my children are as well. This ivf bashing needs to stop. There are beautiful souls meant to be mothers through ivf.
Thank you. Currently pregnant with IVF baby due to male factor. God allows for all things to happen including IVF. God obviously didn’t want my husband to have a good sperm count. Lol.
I feel bad for all the infertile couples praying to god to magically fix their fertility issues. While many people do get lucky after a long time of trying, a good percentage of these people will not have any children and will wake up when they are out of time looking to try IVF.
@@Jennifer-fk8kb Congratulations on your beautiful baby. 33 years ago my mother received death threats from devot christians just because she was pregnant with an IVF baby and was in the news because of it. Supposed followers of Christ told her we were the doing of Satan and whatnot. Judgmental and full of hatred just like this woman. She did IVF twice to get my sister and I. Not once did she regret it. She loved us with her entirety. She as meant to have her own children. Just like you. Don't ever let anyone preach these lies to you. Your baby was meant to be here and you did nothing wrong.
@@SK-ut6tw thank you so much! Sorry you and your family had to go through that.
I don’t understand why people don’t see IVF as a medical intervention just like anything else. If everything that happens naturally was God’s intent than why go for chemotherapy when you have cancer? Why wear contacts to fix your vision? Maybe God intended for some to die of cancer or for some to have poor sight. Just something i’d like people to think about.
There are certain ethical things that CAN come up with IVF. I don’t deny that. Such as creating excess embryos just for gender selection, selecting embryos based on gender, implanted many embryos with the intent of selective reduction, etc. but often these conservatives miss the mark on what actually needs to be addressed in IVF to make the practice more ethical and just turn to bashing it completely.
Allie Beth, I want to get your take on the new Netflix series, “Testament: the Story of Moses”. I would really love to hear you give a breakdown of what they got right and any ways they were misleading. Love your show and thank you so much for your impactful content!
That’s not a natural pregnancy, I’ve been through fertility treatments and currently pregnant with an IUI baby. I also had follicle scans took some medication and tracked ovulation then and IUI. I also want ovulating properly and I needed to track it with ultrasound.
IVF is different.
Fertility treatment isn’t linear.
IUI is a fresh transfer, it works.
There are options don’t fear your fertility clinics they all aren’t pushing IVF. Some are sure but they aren’t all the devil.
I did not have IVF experience but I truly believe this story relates to the whole medical field. We have put doctors, medicine, and science above God. God says he has provided everything we need. Not that he has provided everything we need through what men can do.
Loved this episode, thank you so much for all you share on this topic!
21:21 Allie talks about the “authority” or the voice that’s louder in your head. I think something that isn’t talked about much is also the pressure that comes from the “motherhood is the highest calling”/motherhood should be your goal, you are wrong if you are married and not trying to have children…. That is a strong voice that I think drowns out the Holy Spirit sometimes too. A feeling like if I don’t do everything I can then I’m not doing my duty. Obviously this is only pertaining to the people who don’t understand what really happens. But doctors and nurses will flat out tell you that they are pro life and it’s not a baby until implantation.
Why is the audio so strange in this interview?
I was told by multiple doctors that our chances of conceiving naturally are very slim (but not impossible) as we both have issues that cannot be addressed. I refused to give in to their recommendation to go for IVF and changed our lives pretty much overnight - diet, supplements, acupuncture, exercise, therapy etc. and after 2 years without any results, (we spent sooo much money, time and energy) and no change in our tests (we are actually very healthy and we both don’t have any chronic conditions and deficits) we came back to the clinic to look at the options.
The Doctors were happy we tried our own natural way and were very sympathetic to our situation. Proceeded with IVF which was a great experience for me personally and got blessed from the first try ❤️ We now have a chance at building a bigger family and never been happier in my entire life.
God bless the doctors! I will be forever grateful for giving us the gift of IVF, a tool for life creation.
I will not be using IVF. I’m trusting God b/c if He used Mary who is a virgin to conceive how much more will he do for me with the amazing man that He has blessed me with
What do you think of embryo adoption? I know a couple who have adopted two sets of twins.
Literally the opposite of IVF isn’t it? You’re taking a bad situation and redeeming it.
Through surrogacy? Or wait until they mass produce artificial uterus..
25:00
Sounds like the third doctor was being honest about IVF's common results
Also.... Our Republican governor in TX
seems dedicated to keeping us the 'wild west' of IVF experimentation🙁
I don’t agree the fertility doctor Catie saw that asked her if she wanted to go through this was wrong. Shouldn’t a doctor make sure that a patient is mentally prepared for what might happen if they proceed with an elective procedure? He was speaking from experience and can at this point probably tell if someone is truly serious or just looking.
I think the 3rd doctor isn’t so terrible. It sounds like he’s heard and seen some sad stories. Maybe he’s weary and broken.
What do you think about women who do IFV because of cancer? They learn they have cancer and feeeze their eggs before starting chemotherapy since chemo can make you infertile. Then they do IVF with their husband in order to have children? I personally think that IVF can be a blessing in those kinds of situations, especially if it's done ethically (one embryo at a time, no embryos destroyed).
No one does one embryo at a time, do they? I imagine that would get incredibly expensive and excessive with procedures…
@@salty7602 It is the minority, yes. But it's possible. Maybe if we had more people (Christians?) willing to do things ethically, even if it means making less money, it would become more common.
@ElizabethThatcher-hf2hp interesting!
@@LykaLoone can certainly hope
Right? If only everyone was bitter, then we wouldn't be challenged to confront our own bitterness. So annoying.
"Having a child is not your God, God is," Amen! Let us remember this ❤
Interview Dr Teresa Hilgers from the Pope Paul VI institute in Omaha!
Alley… I wish this podcast would have happened before my ivf journey. I now have a beautiful daughter and am pregnant with my second after ivf. since the beginning of my husband and my journey, I always felt like the whole process was wrong and often said it out loud to my family. I was so tunnel visioned on being a mother and giving my husband a child that I ignored those feelings. I don’t regret my beautiful babies, but now I find my self asking God to forgive me for what I have done and now I have 2 embryos left that were abnormal and still being stored. I have to come to a decision on what to do with the other 2 embryos and it’s killing me to possibly have them destroyed… 😢 idk what to do.
I’m praying for you! Remember they are children. The Lord is the one who causes the spark of life to happen in conception, wherever it takes place. Please don’t destroy your precious children even if they aren’t normal. Give them a chance at life, even if they don’t make it. ❤ To discard people who have disabilities or aren’t normal genetically is eugenics and sadly it’s been pushed on everyone, but it’s wrong. Your babies that are currently frozen are real and they matter! ❤
God gives doctors the knowledge and technology of help us... remember infertility is a medical diagnosis- which requires medical treatment- you wouldn't tell someone with cancer to "pray more" and avoid treatment. These posts are all so ignorant- and really based on false information. Your babies would not be created without God... and remember "abnormal embryos " are ones that aren't dividing regularly- which happens all the time in the natural process- people just don't know because often they don't implant or even read as a chemical pregnancy yet. You could always transfer both if you felt like you should- chances of them sticking is probably impossible but if you felt better about that might help with your peace of mind.... ❤
DR. SPACEMAN😂😂😂
I had a very similar experience with Drs trying to have my first child and experienced multiple miscarriages and my answer came through a dream. Where the name of a supplement was repeated over and over when I woke up I learned it was a supplement that helped balance hormones mostly in men but some info was found on it doing the same for women. I took this supplement as instructed through prayer and personal revelation for a single cycle and the very next cycle I was pregnant with my child who is now 2. I know God listens to our prayers and I was so grateful that my prayers were answered in the way I had hoped I know sometimes they aren’t always answered how we want but God does listen and answer. It sounds like this woman and I had a very similar journey I can’t help but to think she was lead to the natural remedy because of those awful experiences. God really does consecrate our trials to in the end be a positive
Supplements take a minimum of 3 months to get into the system.
@@SK-ut6tw tell that to God
@@plantlady8349 Uh.... Sure ... Science is a thing to ya know. probably just timed.the sex right that month.
Bodies are amazing who better to get directions from then asking God himself. It was my personal miracle. And you are incorrect about it taking 3 months on this particular supplement. I have searched it out it only takes 30 days of daily use to see effects of this particular supplement or substance. But even if science said it was impossible I know it’s not cuz nothing is impossible with God. Not to mention I experienced it working haha so you’ll never convince me otherwise.
@@plantlady8349 I consider myself a miracle as well. Conceived through IVF when it was brand new 33 years ago first try to an older woman . God is wonderful yes.
I just get such an odd feeling watching people’s sponsored content about their IVF journey