Pretty sure Genechiro still cuts your arm off. It’s just an arrow from his henchman that distracts your MC…it’s been a while since I’ve played this so I could be wrong.
Yeah genichiro cuts wolf's left arm off, but it wasn't an arrow that wolf deflected, it was a ninja star coming at a curve, as soon as wolf deflected the two ninja stars, then genichiro cuts the arm off.
This is like accidentally killing the main villain of a dnd campaign with a poisoned drink or a nat 20 and the DM needing to find a reason why you didn’t succeed
@@shadowraith10 Most DM's know their players well enough to not put their BBEG in such a spot, or are willing to take a bathroom break afterwards to figure out what to do next, lol.
if the DM truly had no out for the BBEG, they could at least try slyly swapping in a new BBEG. Granted, DnD has a lot of tools for failsafing BBEGs. I'd just set up a Soul Jar. Suck it, players. Mwahahahaha.
*Later In the story* Right Hand Man: "I truly regret having not gone In my lords place, as repentance, I will fulfill his mission myself. And get revenge while I'm at It!" *or* Right Hand Man: "Truly Incredible you succeeded In killing my lord, fortunately however, we had a contingency to bring him back. That said, I won't give you a second chance at him!" There are more, like a rival villain with their own mission Instead, though that would mean different motivation and other things.
Had expected at least one Disgaea game on this list. That series has multiple instances where you're supposed to lose to a boss and you get a non-standard game over if you grinded so much you win anyway. The fight with Laharl in Disgaea 2 comes immediately to mind.
I like games that make unwinnable fights properly unwinnable. Like, they have an obnoxiously high damage, or block all your attacks. The game that makes you think it's just a difficult fight, and then beats you in a cutscene makes me rage.
@@eddthehead123 Agreed, especially if it's one of those situations where you couldn't just grind for levels and had to win with pure skill, since if you already ground all those levels, you prolly don't need whatever the reward was.
About that even on a NG+ run 4x EXP I fought Gades then at lv 30 and STILL had his opening move hit the ENTIRE party for OVER 300 damage KILLING them INSTANTLY so trying to win that fight is NOT worth it.
Rise of the Rōnin kinda does this. Beating Blue Demon in level 1 just gives a different cutscene that eventually loops into the scene where you'd (most likely) lose. Great underrated game btw
Tales of Symphonia, the first fights against Kratos and Yggdrasil. Kratos gives you a different cutscene, Yggdrasil just ignores you trouncing him to run the post fight cutscene anyways.
Beatrix in FFIX actually must be defeated in order to progress her boss fight and force her to do the AoE attack that takes everyone down to 1 hp and brings it to a close. This only happens if you can survive for 10 turns, or if you get her HP down to 0. If she wipes your party before either one of these conditions are met, it's game over... So you still have to be good enough to survive and/or do enough damage!
Well for those fights she doesn't have 9999 max HP BUT when you use the do 9999 damage cheat on the PS4 remaster I believe her HP is still infinite and can't ever hit zero since you never get any AP/item drops from those battles against her.
You did Baldur's Gate 3 dirty to put them on this list. In contrast to all the other unkillable bosses mentioned in the list (except Helldalf), the game actually lets you go through with killing the Emperor and lets you reach an alternative ending with its own cutscene. It's not as if you beat the Emperor and then the game ressurrects him and forces you to play on as if you had lost the fight, You instead die of the consequence of killing the Emperor and get a bad ending (Because it turns out he was actually telling the truth about him helping you out to prevent your transformation, so fighting him at that point was simply the wrong call. But that's not disrespecting player agency/skill, it's quite the opposite. Of course almost all players will reload and make a different choice to see the rest of the game, but they don't have to. You are perfectly free to take the bad ending and end your playthrough there because you decided your character would never have trusted a mindflayer.).
Holy Essaying "No a game over screen forcing you to reload is super duper different!" Dude, it's just a game over screen and a different way of forcing the game back on the rails. You beat something you weren't supposed to fight+win against, and you got reset in some form or another. There's just some set dressing for your scripted game over.
@@jaeusa160 Only if you are the kind of gamer who pays no mind to the story at all and always skips dialogue and cutscenes to get to the next fight. It's a totally different story outcome, based on your decision to attack an NPC who was vital for your survival at that point in the story. Games that railroad the player usually just don't give you the option to attack such an NPC. Also, it's not a boss fight that you have to lose because you have two options to play on: Decide to either not trust him and lose the fight OR decide to play along with his scheme for now and not attack him at all.
Agreed. People can try and fight me for it, but forcing a loss on a player who otherwise would have won is just bad writing/bad use of in-game mechanics imo.
Sekiro does it great. Getting a henchman to distract you so the boss can take advantage. It's not him beating you even though you won, it's him getting outside help to turn the tables.
Biggest gripe was NOT KNOWING, RPGS on PS1 were notorious for this annoying trope. So you’d waste half your inv (not you elixir, you stay for the very real post credit boss) thus making you lose a bunch of items that were either rare drops or stupid expensive and since the save points were few and far between you had to just give up and roll with it, that or hope you get o that annoying part again with minimal losses, again. Wait the original reason for my rant, be me start playing PS1 /2 games again last year, assume every battle where I’m getting rekt must be scripted. ☹️😬
Totally agree. "Wow, this fight is tough. Better use those potions I've been saving." *Scripted loss.* "Wow, this fight is tough. Maybe I'm supposed to lose." *Normal boss that you need to defeat.*
Jules, you beautiful egg, Goku is the only Saiyan in that Dragon Ball game unless they timeskip to fighting Raditz, Vegeta and Nappa. If that's the case, someone let me know.
The game ends before Goku even reaches his teens. Saiyans dont exist in that universe yet. And he's the only playable character through the story mode. Whoever wrote the script has beef with Jules lol
I had way, waaaay too much fun seeing how many bandits I could spawn before I went down in Blood Omen back in the day... which feels weirdly in character for Kain.
Fullmetal Alchemist: Curse of the Crimson Elixir has two of these boss fights back-to-back. First is against Scar and you still get your arm and Alphonse busted, then you have a sparring fight against Major Armstrong when you're still recovering so you're only half as strong to get another scripted beatdown because why bother having fun
Disgaea (and for some reason Melty's Quest) does this a lot, to the point that you can fill this whole list with NIS game. Make you fight Etna or Laharl or some other overpowered demon that is like level 5000 while your strongest unit is level 10. But on New Game+, or if you abused random dungeons, you can win those... which will give you a bad ending and send you on a new cycle. That said, I think there was at least one NIS game, where winning that battle led to a whole new route. A short one, where you're basically a conqueror, but still, an actual proper route. Also, Langrisser punished you for beating the unbeatable in a different way. On a second stage, you are supposed to run away. You can somehow beat the cavalry captain (which greatly outlevels you) chasing you, but doing so will make his commander hate you. While he is supposed to offer you to join them later, an offer you can accept (and probably should, since your side sucks in their misguided heroism), defeating that captain will rob you of that option.
Do you guys not fact check your videos? There are numerous errors in the video/script. The henchman doesn't cut Wolf's arm off, Goku doesn't fight any other Saiyan in DragonBall, and that's just the first ones I noticed. If there are more I'll try to remember to edit this post and add them when/if I finish this video.
It's not really a "you lose if you're too good" deal, but I remember in the og Tales of Symphonia, you couldn't beat Yggdrasill (The Main Bad Guy) in any of the battles you fought against him other than the last ones. Because, as soon as you dealt enough damage to him the battle would end and he'd pull a cutscene attack that would instantly move the plot as if you'd lost to him. What's funny is that, in the first encounter you have with him, you can actually beat the two bosses you fight before him, who can also be scripted losses, and they'll trigger alternate cutscenes. But, of course, this is easier said than done and is usually much more possible in a New Game + run than in a new run, at least the second boss.
Lunar, Eternal Blue's first battle with Ghaleon (though you do cut him which he's impressed a little) -Looking forward to it coming out on steam assuming they don't alter it beyond sharper graphics and QOL menu's and stuff.
I've always wondered what would happen if someone managed to hack Red Dead Redemption 1 (spoilers for a PS3 game) to make Marston invincible, and then clear the ambush that's supposed to canonically kill him
It's not really an ambush, those guys are clearly visible and I still find it stupid that Marston walks out of the barn and faces them instead of staying in cover and picking them off.
@5:00 I thought the PSP Crisis Core always sent you to the final 3 regardless of victory in the prior large battle so it could finish the DMW cutscenes and end the game. I don't recall ever having triggered a skip despite 300/300ing Missions and Minvera as a kid with a stupid materia setup that just kept spamming maxed Aeris for full heal, invuln, and auto-revive.
Why the hell wouldn't you just make an alternative ending cutscene for beating the bbeg right away? What would be the downside? No one is gonna do it the first time around anyway, the game simply ends, danger is averted, congrats, you got the secret ending.
The description of Advanced Adventure is false. You do not "like any other DB game" fight other saiyans, as this game take place during Goku's young years.
While triggering the auto loss cutscene in the 1st fight against Tao Pai Pai in Dragon Ball Advanced Adventure is kinda hard, it is by no means the hardest enemy in the game. There is a 2nd, much harder unwinnable fight, against old Piccolo. While against Tao Pai Pai 1st encounter you still have 1 full HP bar against 3 HP bars, against old Piccolo your health is equivalent to 7 hits (less than 1 full combo from Piccolo), while he has 4 HP bars (about 16-20 times your HP), crazy unfair hard CPU, insane stance damage, and more. Triggering this forced loss cutscene is crazy hard, harder than completing the entire boss rush.
A case of this is remeber specially is the 1st apparition of Lagiacrus in Monster Hunter Tri. Is somewhat traditional that MonHun lets you fight the cover monster early, the idea is that you flee and then take the monster when you are stronger, but they can be beaten, is grueling and hard, but you can kill them... Except Lagiacrus, because in that particular first quest, is inmortal and can't be hunted nor captured
Vampyr. Want to lvl up quickly? Do an evil run and kill everyone. HOWEVER the more characters kill, the stronger the final boss gets and she scales faster and harder than you do, so even if you max out your character...GOOD LUCK. Yes, its still technically possible to beat her but you've gotta play the fight pretty much flawlessly
I used save wizard so I can max out without the guilt, I also used save scumming to get the platinum in one play through. You're technically not supposed to be able to do this since there is no manual saves, but you can back up your auto save to the PS cloud and redownload it.
In Sekiro, to me, it's not about how he cheated to cut your arm off. It's the fact that he *needed* to cheat in order to win. It's a video game, yeah. But just understand with me for a moment. Imagine how someone like Genichiro must feel every time he fought you in a 1v1 and lost every single time. Taking into account what his character throughout the game is like towards you.
I'm still a little pissed off about the first Kahn fight in Ghost of Tsushima. Of course I didn't know it was scripted when I first played it when it came out so I ended up wasting so much time trying to beat him, in the very first encounter alone I spent over 40 mins kicking his arse with his health totally empty and I just couldn't figure out why he wouldn't die. I thought it was a glitch or something, so I restarted my PS4 then I tried again and I got him to the same point and he wouldn't die, so of course I tried again and again and again. It was only after restarting the game for the 5th or 6th time and spanking him but not being able to beat him that I finally got so pissed off that I tossed my controller aside and just let him win, it was only when the cut scene kicked in that I had a gigantic face palm moment and I realized it was scripted. It was a total let down that SuckerPunch didn't think to do something like an early alt ending where you stop the invasion and the games end if you happen to beat the Kahn in your first encounter or they could've at the very least given us an Achievement/Trophy for it. I mean if they would've at least given us a Trophy I wouldn't have wasted like an hour and half replaying the mission bc I would've realized when it trophy sounded that was scripted as I would've paused the game and looked it up.
It's not one of Genichiros henchmen that throws his weapon at Sekiro. It's Owl. In fact, when you beat Lady Butterfly the same weapon is thrown at you in the cutscene. That was to let you know that Owl and Genichiro are working together.
if you manage to kill Kain when protecting the crystal in FF4 the cutscene plays out the exact same way with Cecil getting knocked out by Kain and Golbez absolutely dominates all your other party members with one attack. Also if you cheat to get Tellah's magic above 99 you can cast the meteor spell after he learns it whenever you want instead of the one time with the scripted battle with Golbez.
No. 1 actually should've been the boss fight against Doku in the first mission of Ninja Gaiden 1 (2004). You can beat him easily enough, but he still successfully kills Ryu Hayabusa anyway whether you win or lose, and a hayabusa aka peregrine falcon (the clan's patron deity) perched on a nearby overhead branch revives him from death. The Dynasty Warriors franchise also has quite a few enemy officers and commanders who get to retreat from battle instead of falling. Lu Bu is king, but Meng Huo has to be beaten a whopping 8 times in the Nanman campaign with the Shu forces to win him over as an ally - which is the highlight of his place in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms story.
The biggest one I've faced and won in the past was Bhrams, in Valkyrie Profile, for PS1. Simply because although you can upgrade your characters for a strategic defense, you also need to be lucky enough so "GUTS" works almost everytime. He kills a character with 1 attack and you do 1hp damage per hit. So, it took me several times until this "lucky" happened! hahahaha Nothing changes, but the satisfaction is true!!!
To add another list to your error Heildalf in Zestiria are CURSED with immortality. Only another shepherd can purify the curse but the MC is too weak to do that at the beginning. Heidalf LITERALLY wished to die.
I can’t play Ghost of Tsushima without shouting, “KHAAAAAAAAAANNN!!!!!!!” whenever Kotun does something evil xD THANK YOU, also, FOR MENTIONING TALES OF ZESTIRIA!!!!! It’s such a good game that doesn’t get as much love as it should IMO. And while I’m thinking about bosses your suppose to lose to, the Tales of series is a bit notorious for having these kinds of fights at some point in the run. Symphonia had MANY fights against a boss you’re meant to lose to, but if you’re doing a New Game+ run (or are just really good/have enough items/have the AI setup correctly), it’s possible to win. Hell, I did that when I did a New Game+ run the first with in Tales of Symphonia Knight of Ratatosk, and because I had bought a certain item exp item from the grade shop, Emil went from level 1 to level 50 instantly after I won xXlD
I believe in the original mega Man x game, you have to fight someone towards the beginning of the game that they won't allow you to beat. Then another character comes in and saves you.
Gades (1st encounter) in Lufia 2. He has the same stats as when you fight him toward the end of the game, so you typically lose within a few turns. Nevertheless, he's kinda weak for an endgame boss, and he can be legitimately beaten if you grind a bit, have a good strategy, and have enough attrition to whittle his large HP pool. Doing so will earn you a huge chunk of EXP, and you even win his unique sword! That doesn't stop him from knocking out your party in the cutscene afterward, and the game proceeding like normal.
It wasn't that Heldalf beat you bigger in the bad end. The interaction between Seraph and Vessel is at play; you learn Heldalf's Vessel is pretty significant. Killing him killed him; what happens after involved the vessel.
Zephkiel in Star Ocean 2 - I haven’t heard of anyone else defeating him, but I managed it by timing the % damage items you can craft ^^’ takes a very long time, get a teeny bit of dialogue then it’s as though you lost
Second story has 4x BLOODY armor users to be immune to ALL damage BUT for like the FIRST battle against him in at least the version that is NOT the current R version he takes NO damage AT all during the FIRST encounter so while 4x Bloody armor users makes it so that you can't DIE from Enemy damage using it on can't win bosses 2nd story/evolution only is useless.
another one is Deimos in ac odyssey, at some point in the story you'll have a fight againts which is unwinable where they will simply stop taking damage if you get their life low enough, the problem is this fight is really easy so you have let them win or you're stuck, really frustrating
Queen of hatred from library of ruina COULD fall into this category,with histeria bar felling out as you win clashes,she turns into a snake and heals fully AND gets much stronger,althrough thats still winable.
I think the mailman from Ocarina of Time should be here, too 😂 Also: Redo the list, if cheating infinite damage/always one-shot + invincibility cheat, still doesn't make you win.
no its just a nightjar ninja, the Owl at this point would have the incentive to work with genichiro but that specific projectile is only used by the short stubby guys with the masks that fly at you
My favourite unwinnable boss fight is the one from Jedi: Fallen Order. Unlike these ones you dont get "punished for being too good" you just cant win in any way. The boss is too powerful. This seems like it wouldnt be fun nor interesting, but after defeating the final boss seeing Vader himself come to fight you and you realizing he cannot be defeated is a perfect way to showcase his strength in terms of the lore AND the game. (half of this "battle" is literally you running away as he ravages the entire base with his mind)
Here's another: Space Marine 2 the Carifax fight can't be beat. As soon as you hit the 3rd (red) health bar it will automatically have the Carifax gets a "Lucky" and the fight is over going into the cutscene
You know, I'm not all that upset when if you're winning the game goes to a cutscene showing you lose. At least with that there's an explanation, and like in the Sekiro one they even give you an alternate cutscene to take into account your win. The ones that really irritate me are the ones like Khotal Khan and the guards that arrest Bayek in the beginning of AC:Origins that stop losing health once they get halfway down. I absolutely hate it when they don't even bother to take into account that you might win so they just make the enemy immortal until you get frustrated and just let them kill you. Honestly that happening just turns me off of the whole game, I never got further than an hour or so into Ghost of Tsushima because that annoyed me so much. I think it's because when that happens I kind of just go "Oh well if I'm throwing a fight this soon into the game then what's the point of me putting an effort into beating any of the other bosses."
Being forced to lose isn’t annoying. It’s only annoying in situations like the magic knight rayearth game where in the fight your supposed to lose every time you win there is some dialogue and then you start the fight over without being able to heal, but that game was so easy that I could have probably won that fight a hundred times before losing by attrition.
Funnily enough, I always got hit by Beatrix's climhazzard. So... What are you saying? That it's not just a cinematic that signals the end of the fight and that, all that time, it would have been possible for me to just throw it and still move on with the plot?
In Dragonball, you literally are never fighting another Saiyan. Also even the show itself has only had Saiyan Saga and after that they fight nonsaiyans majority of the time.
Does Gades from Lufia 2 count? The first time you fight him it's meant to be a forced loss, but it's possible to beat him. You even get experience, money, and a weapon that's stronger than most of the rest you can get outside the roguelike bonus dungeon. The reason I'm not sure it counts is because when you beat him, it's the whole kit & kaboodle where his battle sprite fades away like in any other fight you win against him or his ilk and you get the battle results screen. You get the weapon outside of battle, and then Gades flexes his full power for a moment to instantly put your party in the same condition that losing the fight would.
It does but EVEN at lvs over 30+ NG+ runs via 4x EXP I still didn't survive his OPENING attack it still hits for like 350 damage and a lv 30 party has LESS MAX HP then that.
Atelier Iris 3. During your first encounter with him, Ash will not drop his health past 1Hp as well as will have his shockwave attack become an instant kill.
Iris 3 has really BRUTAL bosses ie the time guardian boss at low HP will keep on Making CLONES of itself and since you won't SURVIVE 4x Meteor spells even at its MAX lv of 50 in 1 turn if you can OFF that OPTIONAL boss before it makes even 1 clone DO so. Every time the boss clones itself the REAL boss gains ALL of its lost HP back to 100% and starts to clone itself as soon as it and its clone lose HALF of its HP it by default and its clones RESIST physical hit damage and its resists ALL SPELL damage at the same time sadly Iris 3 doesn't HAVE a skill/spell to completely remove BOTH its physical and magic resistence.
Unwinable Fight is now a Cliche but it's still a very cool narrative device, I don't get that people would "hate it" , if it works narrratively it's good storytelling through gameplay.
I remembered that I've fought Tao Paipai in DBZ Advanced AND wins the First fight. The aftermath is Just I passed ALL the Tower part in game. I can be forgetful, but I'm pretty sure that happens
In Legends of dragoon, if you beat the trainer at the start, which is impossible unless you use a cheat, the game just stops working and you have to reset 😂
This is true in ng too tho it takes a bunch of skill or an early bug that prevents him from doing any damage to you. Either way you have to die to progress win or lose
The boss in Tales of Zestiria wasn't that bad compared to the optional boss who's realm you have to go too (sorry can't remember its name) & fighting 2 of your team mates later on sigh.
I wonder if the four Black Knights in Final Fantasy 2 count? I'm not sure it counts as a boss since it's the first enemy encounter in the game, happening before you even gain control of your party, and uses the regular battle music. However, a lesser version of the Black Knight enemy serves as a mini-boss in the dungeon where you fight...I think it's the penultimate boss? Well it's a stretch either way given you have to hack the game to give at least one of your characters end-game stats to beat them, but if you do the game basically rage quits. It spits you back out to the title screen. I'm sure there's something going on with not having a field position set or whatever if you want to seriously discuss the fine details of what happens here, but the general consensus among those who discuss this little peculiarity is that the game is like 'f*ck it, you win'. It's funnier that way, too.
I completely forgot about that. Thanks for the memories. God I miss my copy of Radiata Stories; gotta fish it out of the junk drawer one of these days.
About that Iselia Queen/G Celeste are cameo bosses in Radiata stories and BOTH of their limit break moves still do 9999 damage OR more so it still 1 shots a maxed out party and unlike SO2 Radiata stories doesn't HAVE a bloody armor/take no damage from everything effect.
Yes even when using the always do 9999 damage cheat she still can't die since she will still leave the party with 1 HP left then run away from the fight leaving you with 0 AP and gold bosses in FF9 however don't give out exp I believe.
Mugen souls Z comes into my mind. First time u play u will loose no matter what. However the game has new game + in which u can take ur op characters and kill some of the scripted invisible enemies " some with charm ability" resulting into.... "Spoilers below" A new game plus or game over :D
Pretty sure Genechiro still cuts your arm off. It’s just an arrow from his henchman that distracts your MC…it’s been a while since I’ve played this so I could be wrong.
Yeah genichiro cuts wolf's left arm off, but it wasn't an arrow that wolf deflected, it was a ninja star coming at a curve, as soon as wolf deflected the two ninja stars, then genichiro cuts the arm off.
This is like the second time they mentioned the henchman being the one to cut off sekiro's arm
Its in another video on forced lose or something
@@jackdraconiayou beat me to it. The henchmen throws a couple shurikens (ninja stars) that Wolf deflects.
I just watch this and i was about to hop on and say the same thing
This. Bro didn't do his research.
This is like accidentally killing the main villain of a dnd campaign with a poisoned drink or a nat 20 and the DM needing to find a reason why you didn’t succeed
If I were a DM and the party actually found a workaround for the BBEG I would more than likely either try to find my own loophole.
@@shadowraith10 Most DM's know their players well enough to not put their BBEG in such a spot, or are willing to take a bathroom break afterwards to figure out what to do next, lol.
if the DM truly had no out for the BBEG, they could at least try slyly swapping in a new BBEG. Granted, DnD has a lot of tools for failsafing BBEGs. I'd just set up a Soul Jar. Suck it, players. Mwahahahaha.
*Later In the story*
Right Hand Man: "I truly regret having not gone In my lords place, as repentance, I will fulfill his mission myself. And get revenge while I'm at It!"
*or*
Right Hand Man: "Truly Incredible you succeeded In killing my lord, fortunately however, we had a contingency to bring him back. That said, I won't give you a second chance at him!"
There are more, like a rival villain with their own mission Instead, though that would mean different motivation and other things.
"Sayans fighting other sayans." Except there's only one Sayan in Dragon Ball
Came here to say that. The other Saiyans and even the fact Goku is one aren't revealed until Z.
Def a script written by someone that knows nothing of the game
@@Trvgicx its a script written by someone who never watched or read DB
They probably don't do enough research
Yamcha is my favorite Saiyan lol. The fact they said that hurts
leon in kh1, even if you win, sora passes out from exhaustion
Yeah, but at least you get a reward for beating him.
Yep I barely starting playing again and this happens but i think you get an item
@@sonikz9033
And exp.
“A shinobi would know the difference between honor and victory”
Had expected at least one Disgaea game on this list. That series has multiple instances where you're supposed to lose to a boss and you get a non-standard game over if you grinded so much you win anyway. The fight with Laharl in Disgaea 2 comes immediately to mind.
I like games that make unwinnable fights properly unwinnable. Like, they have an obnoxiously high damage, or block all your attacks. The game that makes you think it's just a difficult fight, and then beats you in a cutscene makes me rage.
Yeah, either make it properly unwinnable, or make it INCREDIBLY difficult but winnable and reward you for winning.
@@LucianDevine A reward for winning where you were meant to die is also cool. Eases the stress of getting killed in a cutscene
@@eddthehead123 Agreed, especially if it's one of those situations where you couldn't just grind for levels and had to win with pure skill, since if you already ground all those levels, you prolly don't need whatever the reward was.
this reminded me of Lufia 2. you are supposed to lose fighting Gades the first time. If you happen to win, you actually get rewarded.
See, now that's doing it right.
Maybe I should scrolled through the comments before making my post about Gades as well 🤣
About that even on a NG+ run 4x EXP I fought Gades then at lv 30 and STILL had his opening move hit the ENTIRE party for OVER 300 damage KILLING them INSTANTLY so trying to win that fight is NOT worth it.
Rise of the Rōnin kinda does this. Beating Blue Demon in level 1 just gives a different cutscene that eventually loops into the scene where you'd (most likely) lose. Great underrated game btw
tell me you NEVER played or watched dragon ball without telling me you never played or watched dragon ball "Sayans fighting other sayans."
Wrong answers only It's about space monkey that likes Kung Fu right 😂😂😂
That really annoyed me. The game is set before saiyans were even a known quantity.
Tell me you never read the manga, with out saying you never read the manga: Saiyans*
Tales of Symphonia, the first fights against Kratos and Yggdrasil. Kratos gives you a different cutscene, Yggdrasil just ignores you trouncing him to run the post fight cutscene anyways.
Beatrix in FFIX actually must be defeated in order to progress her boss fight and force her to do the AoE attack that takes everyone down to 1 hp and brings it to a close. This only happens if you can survive for 10 turns, or if you get her HP down to 0. If she wipes your party before either one of these conditions are met, it's game over... So you still have to be good enough to survive and/or do enough damage!
She can't DIE the PS4 remaster has a always do 9999 cheat with it ON her HP will still NEVER hit zero for ANY of those battles.
@veghesther3204 you still need to reach for a specific damage threshold though.
Well for those fights she doesn't have 9999 max HP BUT when you use the do 9999 damage cheat on the PS4 remaster I believe her HP is still infinite and can't ever hit zero since you never get any AP/item drops from those battles against her.
You did Baldur's Gate 3 dirty to put them on this list. In contrast to all the other unkillable bosses mentioned in the list (except Helldalf), the game actually lets you go through with killing the Emperor and lets you reach an alternative ending with its own cutscene. It's not as if you beat the Emperor and then the game ressurrects him and forces you to play on as if you had lost the fight, You instead die of the consequence of killing the Emperor and get a bad ending (Because it turns out he was actually telling the truth about him helping you out to prevent your transformation, so fighting him at that point was simply the wrong call. But that's not disrespecting player agency/skill, it's quite the opposite. Of course almost all players will reload and make a different choice to see the rest of the game, but they don't have to. You are perfectly free to take the bad ending and end your playthrough there because you decided your character would never have trusted a mindflayer.).
Holy Essaying "No a game over screen forcing you to reload is super duper different!"
Dude, it's just a game over screen and a different way of forcing the game back on the rails.
You beat something you weren't supposed to fight+win against, and you got reset in some form or another. There's just some set dressing for your scripted game over.
@@jaeusa160 Only if you are the kind of gamer who pays no mind to the story at all and always skips dialogue and cutscenes to get to the next fight. It's a totally different story outcome, based on your decision to attack an NPC who was vital for your survival at that point in the story. Games that railroad the player usually just don't give you the option to attack such an NPC.
Also, it's not a boss fight that you have to lose because you have two options to play on: Decide to either not trust him and lose the fight OR decide to play along with his scheme for now and not attack him at all.
@@jaeusa160 also you can kill him just get help from the prince and make him transform easy then kill the emp so not unwinnable.
It’s still valid, the game tried to kill you instead of ending the fight as soon as you choose not to do what the story wanted and died for it.
Great games add an alternative ending for those type of battles.
Agreed. People can try and fight me for it, but forcing a loss on a player who otherwise would have won is just bad writing/bad use of in-game mechanics imo.
Sekiro does it great. Getting a henchman to distract you so the boss can take advantage. It's not him beating you even though you won, it's him getting outside help to turn the tables.
DMC5
Vile in Megaman X was the first “invincible” boss that I remember
Biggest gripe was NOT KNOWING, RPGS on PS1 were notorious for this annoying trope. So you’d waste half your inv (not you elixir, you stay for the very real post credit boss) thus making you lose a bunch of items that were either rare drops or stupid expensive and since the save points were few and far between you had to just give up and roll with it, that or hope you get o that annoying part again with minimal losses, again.
Wait the original reason for my rant, be me start playing PS1 /2 games again last year, assume every battle where I’m getting rekt must be scripted. ☹️😬
Totally agree.
"Wow, this fight is tough. Better use those potions I've been saving." *Scripted loss.*
"Wow, this fight is tough. Maybe I'm supposed to lose." *Normal boss that you need to defeat.*
Jules, you beautiful egg, Goku is the only Saiyan in that Dragon Ball game unless they timeskip to fighting Raditz, Vegeta and Nappa. If that's the case, someone let me know.
The game ends before Goku even reaches his teens. Saiyans dont exist in that universe yet. And he's the only playable character through the story mode. Whoever wrote the script has beef with Jules lol
@@XannolcZ im pretty sure you can play as kuririn at some point, well maybe in some extra mode.
@@dark-xh7fs 100%. You can play as him after you clear the story once but it has no cutscenes.
I had way, waaaay too much fun seeing how many bandits I could spawn before I went down in Blood Omen back in the day... which feels weirdly in character for Kain.
Fullmetal Alchemist: Curse of the Crimson Elixir has two of these boss fights back-to-back. First is against Scar and you still get your arm and Alphonse busted, then you have a sparring fight against Major Armstrong when you're still recovering so you're only half as strong to get another scripted beatdown because why bother having fun
Winning the fights get you a truckload of EXP, some different dialogue, and a special accessory each.
Its still genichiro that cuts your arm. It just that one of those nightjar guys distracts you.
Makes sense you can't really skill dif a sneak attack
what a cheater
There was also that first fight against Saturos and Menardi from Golden Sun.
Ah, I see you're also a gamer of culture.
Disgaea (and for some reason Melty's Quest) does this a lot, to the point that you can fill this whole list with NIS game. Make you fight Etna or Laharl or some other overpowered demon that is like level 5000 while your strongest unit is level 10. But on New Game+, or if you abused random dungeons, you can win those... which will give you a bad ending and send you on a new cycle.
That said, I think there was at least one NIS game, where winning that battle led to a whole new route. A short one, where you're basically a conqueror, but still, an actual proper route.
Also, Langrisser punished you for beating the unbeatable in a different way. On a second stage, you are supposed to run away. You can somehow beat the cavalry captain (which greatly outlevels you) chasing you, but doing so will make his commander hate you. While he is supposed to offer you to join them later, an offer you can accept (and probably should, since your side sucks in their misguided heroism), defeating that captain will rob you of that option.
Shoutouts to Heishin 1 from Yugioh Forbidden Memories. He was my first scripted loss in gaming.
First one I thought of 😂
Do you guys not fact check your videos? There are numerous errors in the video/script. The henchman doesn't cut Wolf's arm off, Goku doesn't fight any other Saiyan in DragonBall, and that's just the first ones I noticed. If there are more I'll try to remember to edit this post and add them when/if I finish this video.
It's not really a "you lose if you're too good" deal, but I remember in the og Tales of Symphonia, you couldn't beat Yggdrasill (The Main Bad Guy) in any of the battles you fought against him other than the last ones. Because, as soon as you dealt enough damage to him the battle would end and he'd pull a cutscene attack that would instantly move the plot as if you'd lost to him.
What's funny is that, in the first encounter you have with him, you can actually beat the two bosses you fight before him, who can also be scripted losses, and they'll trigger alternate cutscenes. But, of course, this is easier said than done and is usually much more possible in a New Game + run than in a new run, at least the second boss.
Lunar, Eternal Blue's first battle with Ghaleon (though you do cut him which he's impressed a little)
-Looking forward to it coming out on steam assuming they don't alter it beyond sharper graphics and QOL menu's and stuff.
I've always wondered what would happen if someone managed to hack Red Dead Redemption 1 (spoilers for a PS3 game) to make Marston invincible, and then clear the ambush that's supposed to canonically kill him
It would create a paradox that could destroy the entire universe. I'd still like to try it, though.
It's not really an ambush, those guys are clearly visible and I still find it stupid that Marston walks out of the barn and faces them instead of staying in cover and picking them off.
@5:00 I thought the PSP Crisis Core always sent you to the final 3 regardless of victory in the prior large battle so it could finish the DMW cutscenes and end the game. I don't recall ever having triggered a skip despite 300/300ing Missions and Minvera as a kid with a stupid materia setup that just kept spamming maxed Aeris for full heal, invuln, and auto-revive.
Why the hell wouldn't you just make an alternative ending cutscene for beating the bbeg right away?
What would be the downside?
No one is gonna do it the first time around anyway, the game simply ends, danger is averted, congrats, you got the secret ending.
The description of Advanced Adventure is false. You do not "like any other DB game" fight other saiyans, as this game take place during Goku's young years.
The CC ending reminded me so much of Reach's ending. You can't change the past, even though you feel like you earned it
While triggering the auto loss cutscene in the 1st fight against Tao Pai Pai in Dragon Ball Advanced Adventure is kinda hard, it is by no means the hardest enemy in the game. There is a 2nd, much harder unwinnable fight, against old Piccolo. While against Tao Pai Pai 1st encounter you still have 1 full HP bar against 3 HP bars, against old Piccolo your health is equivalent to 7 hits (less than 1 full combo from Piccolo), while he has 4 HP bars (about 16-20 times your HP), crazy unfair hard CPU, insane stance damage, and more. Triggering this forced loss cutscene is crazy hard, harder than completing the entire boss rush.
A case of this is remeber specially is the 1st apparition of Lagiacrus in Monster Hunter Tri.
Is somewhat traditional that MonHun lets you fight the cover monster early, the idea is that you flee and then take the monster when you are stronger, but they can be beaten, is grueling and hard, but you can kill them... Except Lagiacrus, because in that particular first quest, is inmortal and can't be hunted nor captured
Vampyr. Want to lvl up quickly? Do an evil run and kill everyone. HOWEVER the more characters kill, the stronger the final boss gets and she scales faster and harder than you do, so even if you max out your character...GOOD LUCK. Yes, its still technically possible to beat her but you've gotta play the fight pretty much flawlessly
I used save wizard so I can max out without the guilt, I also used save scumming to get the platinum in one play through. You're technically not supposed to be able to do this since there is no manual saves, but you can back up your auto save to the PS cloud and redownload it.
In Sekiro, to me, it's not about how he cheated to cut your arm off. It's the fact that he *needed* to cheat in order to win. It's a video game, yeah. But just understand with me for a moment. Imagine how someone like Genichiro must feel every time he fought you in a 1v1 and lost every single time. Taking into account what his character throughout the game is like towards you.
I'm still a little pissed off about the first Kahn fight in Ghost of Tsushima.
Of course I didn't know it was scripted when I first played it when it came out so I ended up wasting so much time trying to beat him, in the very first encounter alone I spent over 40 mins kicking his arse with his health totally empty and I just couldn't figure out why he wouldn't die.
I thought it was a glitch or something, so I restarted my PS4 then I tried again and I got him to the same point and he wouldn't die, so of course I tried again and again and again. It was only after restarting the game for the 5th or 6th time and spanking him but not being able to beat him that I finally got so pissed off that I tossed my controller aside and just let him win, it was only when the cut scene kicked in that I had a gigantic face palm moment and I realized it was scripted.
It was a total let down that SuckerPunch didn't think to do something like an early alt ending where you stop the invasion and the games end if you happen to beat the Kahn in your first encounter or they could've at the very least given us an Achievement/Trophy for it.
I mean if they would've at least given us a Trophy I wouldn't have wasted like an hour and half replaying the mission bc I would've realized when it trophy sounded that was scripted as I would've paused the game and looked it up.
It's not one of Genichiros henchmen that throws his weapon at Sekiro. It's Owl. In fact, when you beat Lady Butterfly the same weapon is thrown at you in the cutscene. That was to let you know that Owl and Genichiro are working together.
if you manage to kill Kain when protecting the crystal in FF4 the cutscene plays out the exact same way with Cecil getting knocked out by Kain and Golbez absolutely dominates all your other party members with one attack. Also if you cheat to get Tellah's magic above 99 you can cast the meteor spell after he learns it whenever you want instead of the one time with the scripted battle with Golbez.
FYI: The main antagonist of Ghost of Tsushima is the shackles of tradition, not Khotun Khan.
No. 1 actually should've been the boss fight against Doku in the first mission of Ninja Gaiden 1 (2004). You can beat him easily enough, but he still successfully kills Ryu Hayabusa anyway whether you win or lose, and a hayabusa aka peregrine falcon (the clan's patron deity) perched on a nearby overhead branch revives him from death.
The Dynasty Warriors franchise also has quite a few enemy officers and commanders who get to retreat from battle instead of falling. Lu Bu is king, but Meng Huo has to be beaten a whopping 8 times in the Nanman campaign with the Shu forces to win him over as an ally - which is the highlight of his place in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms story.
The biggest one I've faced and won in the past was Bhrams, in Valkyrie Profile, for PS1. Simply because although you can upgrade your characters for a strategic defense, you also need to be lucky enough so "GUTS" works almost everytime. He kills a character with 1 attack and you do 1hp damage per hit. So, it took me several times until this "lucky" happened! hahahaha
Nothing changes, but the satisfaction is true!!!
To add another list to your error
Heildalf in Zestiria are CURSED with immortality. Only another shepherd can purify the curse but the MC is too weak to do that at the beginning. Heidalf LITERALLY wished to die.
Amazing video and I love that game hi fi rush it’s a totally blast to play love every minute of it too.
I can’t play Ghost of Tsushima without shouting, “KHAAAAAAAAAANNN!!!!!!!” whenever Kotun does something evil xD
THANK YOU, also, FOR MENTIONING TALES OF ZESTIRIA!!!!! It’s such a good game that doesn’t get as much love as it should IMO. And while I’m thinking about bosses your suppose to lose to, the Tales of series is a bit notorious for having these kinds of fights at some point in the run. Symphonia had MANY fights against a boss you’re meant to lose to, but if you’re doing a New Game+ run (or are just really good/have enough items/have the AI setup correctly), it’s possible to win.
Hell, I did that when I did a New Game+ run the first with in Tales of Symphonia Knight of Ratatosk, and because I had bought a certain item exp item from the grade shop, Emil went from level 1 to level 50 instantly after I won xXlD
I believe in the original mega Man x game, you have to fight someone towards the beginning of the game that they won't allow you to beat. Then another character comes in and saves you.
Gades (1st encounter) in Lufia 2. He has the same stats as when you fight him toward the end of the game, so you typically lose within a few turns.
Nevertheless, he's kinda weak for an endgame boss, and he can be legitimately beaten if you grind a bit, have a good strategy, and have enough attrition to whittle his large HP pool. Doing so will earn you a huge chunk of EXP, and you even win his unique sword!
That doesn't stop him from knocking out your party in the cutscene afterward, and the game proceeding like normal.
It wasn't that Heldalf beat you bigger in the bad end. The interaction between Seraph and Vessel is at play; you learn Heldalf's Vessel is pretty significant. Killing him killed him; what happens after involved the vessel.
This list could also be titled "10 games where developers were too lazy to write a win scenario."
In Yugioh Forbidden Memories if you beat Heishin in the first duel you will continue to play rematches.
Zephkiel in Star Ocean 2 - I haven’t heard of anyone else defeating him, but I managed it by timing the % damage items you can craft ^^’ takes a very long time, get a teeny bit of dialogue then it’s as though you lost
Second story has 4x BLOODY armor users to be immune to ALL damage BUT for like the FIRST battle against him in at least the version that is NOT the current R version he takes NO damage AT all during the FIRST encounter so while 4x Bloody armor users makes it so that you can't DIE from Enemy damage using it on can't win bosses 2nd story/evolution only is useless.
another one is Deimos in ac odyssey, at some point in the story you'll have a fight againts which is unwinable where they will simply stop taking damage if you get their life low enough, the problem is this fight is really easy so you have let them win or you're stuck, really frustrating
Queen of hatred from library of ruina COULD fall into this category,with histeria bar felling out as you win clashes,she turns into a snake and heals fully AND gets much stronger,althrough thats still winable.
Iirc, Demifiend in Digital Devil Saga throws double middle fingers and destroys you if you have null damage passives equipped
Maybe, but so does Elizabeth of SMT Persona 3 (Who is defeatable, but requires a specific setup to clear).
@rprealist4869 I thought of her too haha. SMT and its cheese bosses.
No demon souls, if you are good enough to beat the first boss you go in the next room and get torched by a dragon you have to fight WAAAAAY later
I haven't played the dragon ball game but if Tao is the final boss then Goku won't have even encountered another saiyan yet lol
I think the mailman from Ocarina of Time should be here, too 😂
Also: Redo the list, if cheating infinite damage/always one-shot + invincibility cheat, still doesn't make you win.
Was it not implied that it was the Owl who cuts off your hand if you win the first Isshin battle in Sekiro?
no its just a nightjar ninja, the Owl at this point would have the incentive to work with genichiro but that specific projectile is only used by the short stubby guys with the masks that fly at you
Genichiro does cut off your hand if you win it's just an assassin throws something which distracts you
My favourite unwinnable boss fight is the one from Jedi: Fallen Order. Unlike these ones you dont get "punished for being too good" you just cant win in any way. The boss is too powerful. This seems like it wouldnt be fun nor interesting, but after defeating the final boss seeing Vader himself come to fight you and you realizing he cannot be defeated is a perfect way to showcase his strength in terms of the lore AND the game. (half of this "battle" is literally you running away as he ravages the entire base with his mind)
dmc 5 is built different
Get punished for cheating - Ok. Understandable.
Get punished for being too good - Umm...sorry?
I mean the story has to move on somehow, and if theres a legitimate explanation as to how you lose narratively like in Sekiro then its fine
Here's another: Space Marine 2 the Carifax fight can't be beat. As soon as you hit the 3rd (red) health bar it will automatically have the Carifax gets a "Lucky" and the fight is over going into the cutscene
You know, I'm not all that upset when if you're winning the game goes to a cutscene showing you lose. At least with that there's an explanation, and like in the Sekiro one they even give you an alternate cutscene to take into account your win. The ones that really irritate me are the ones like Khotal Khan and the guards that arrest Bayek in the beginning of AC:Origins that stop losing health once they get halfway down. I absolutely hate it when they don't even bother to take into account that you might win so they just make the enemy immortal until you get frustrated and just let them kill you. Honestly that happening just turns me off of the whole game, I never got further than an hour or so into Ghost of Tsushima because that annoyed me so much. I think it's because when that happens I kind of just go "Oh well if I'm throwing a fight this soon into the game then what's the point of me putting an effort into beating any of the other bosses."
Being forced to lose isn’t annoying.
It’s only annoying in situations like the magic knight rayearth game where in the fight your supposed to lose every time you win there is some dialogue and then you start the fight over without being able to heal, but that game was so easy that I could have probably won that fight a hundred times before losing by attrition.
Funnily enough, I always got hit by Beatrix's climhazzard. So... What are you saying? That it's not just a cinematic that signals the end of the fight and that, all that time, it would have been possible for me to just throw it and still move on with the plot?
In Dragonball, you literally are never fighting another Saiyan. Also even the show itself has only had Saiyan Saga and after that they fight nonsaiyans majority of the time.
Its still genichiro who Cuts of his Arm, its only that got distracted by a shuriken Wolf had to deflect
"You play as sayians fighting other sayins"....in the og db...whoever wrote thst didn't play the game
Does Gades from Lufia 2 count? The first time you fight him it's meant to be a forced loss, but it's possible to beat him. You even get experience, money, and a weapon that's stronger than most of the rest you can get outside the roguelike bonus dungeon. The reason I'm not sure it counts is because when you beat him, it's the whole kit & kaboodle where his battle sprite fades away like in any other fight you win against him or his ilk and you get the battle results screen. You get the weapon outside of battle, and then Gades flexes his full power for a moment to instantly put your party in the same condition that losing the fight would.
It does but EVEN at lvs over 30+ NG+ runs via 4x EXP I still didn't survive his OPENING attack it still hits for like 350 damage and a lv 30 party has LESS MAX HP then that.
Atelier Iris 3. During your first encounter with him, Ash will not drop his health past 1Hp as well as will have his shockwave attack become an instant kill.
Iris 3 has really BRUTAL bosses ie the time guardian boss at low HP will keep on Making CLONES of itself and since you won't SURVIVE 4x Meteor spells even at its MAX lv of 50 in 1 turn if you can OFF that OPTIONAL boss before it makes even 1 clone DO so.
Every time the boss clones itself the REAL boss gains ALL of its lost HP back to 100% and starts to clone itself as soon as it and its clone lose HALF of its HP it by default and its clones RESIST physical hit damage and its resists ALL SPELL damage at the same time sadly Iris 3 doesn't HAVE a skill/spell to completely remove BOTH its physical and magic resistence.
5:58 Hmm...that might be the first editing error I've ever heard in a WhatCulture video. Still a great listen though.
Honorable Mention:
Vanguard Demon - Demon's Soul
Unwinable Fight is now a Cliche but it's still a very cool narrative device,
I don't get that people would "hate it" , if it works narrratively it's good storytelling through gameplay.
I remembered that I've fought Tao Paipai in DBZ Advanced AND wins the First fight. The aftermath is Just I passed ALL the Tower part in game.
I can be forgetful, but I'm pretty sure that happens
In Khotun Khan's defense, he is known for cheating and mischievous acts
In Legends of dragoon, if you beat the trainer at the start, which is impossible unless you use a cheat, the game just stops working and you have to reset 😂
See, I do like a scripted loss, but not when it's not obvious. Like, don't let me use my precious elixirs if it's unbeatable.
THANK YOU!!!
Also include grafted scion in elden ring, even if you manage to defeat him in ng+,you cannot progress the story without dying somehow
This is true in ng too tho it takes a bunch of skill or an early bug that prevents him from doing any damage to you. Either way you have to die to progress win or lose
The boss in Tales of Zestiria wasn't that bad compared to the optional boss who's realm you have to go too (sorry can't remember its name) & fighting 2 of your team mates later on sigh.
I wonder if the four Black Knights in Final Fantasy 2 count? I'm not sure it counts as a boss since it's the first enemy encounter in the game, happening before you even gain control of your party, and uses the regular battle music. However, a lesser version of the Black Knight enemy serves as a mini-boss in the dungeon where you fight...I think it's the penultimate boss? Well it's a stretch either way given you have to hack the game to give at least one of your characters end-game stats to beat them, but if you do the game basically rage quits. It spits you back out to the title screen. I'm sure there's something going on with not having a field position set or whatever if you want to seriously discuss the fine details of what happens here, but the general consensus among those who discuss this little peculiarity is that the game is like 'f*ck it, you win'. It's funnier that way, too.
They do their MEANT to be unkillable and its the FIRST battle of the game.
I’ve one shot beatrix in FF9 with mods on ps1 then the game slows down then the game slows down but somehow she survives and does her ultimate attack
The Tales of Z fight got me raging, the first time after I won I lost anyway, I was not impressed.
Radiata Stories ps2 Ridley beats your ass in the 1st hour and pulls a 1 shot even in new game+
Lmao right 😂😆😭😭 I still love tht game though
I completely forgot about that. Thanks for the memories.
God I miss my copy of Radiata Stories; gotta fish it out of the junk drawer one of these days.
About that Iselia Queen/G Celeste are cameo bosses in Radiata stories and BOTH of their limit break moves still do 9999 damage OR more so it still 1 shots a maxed out party and unlike SO2 Radiata stories doesn't HAVE a bloody armor/take no damage from everything effect.
Personally, I'd rather take a scripted boss fight that makes you lose in the end, such as the first Bowser fight in Paper Mario.
would've been nice to watch the actual gameplays/cutscenes
YO TALES OF ZESTERIA MENTIONED!? LETS GOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont like Dragon Ball but still i know that you know nothing about Dragon Ball
Ah Beatrix.. even with cheats you'll never beat her haha
Yes even when using the always do 9999 damage cheat she still can't die since she will still leave the party with 1 HP left then run away from the fight leaving you with 0 AP and gold bosses in FF9 however don't give out exp I believe.
I kept fighting in Hellblade - Senua's Sacrifice - last level... but they just kept spawning...
Great video Great videogame Great youTube player
Khotun kahn was easy
Big pidge is unkillable
I'm a simple man hear Jewel's voice like video
Mugen souls Z comes into my mind.
First time u play u will loose no matter what. However the game has new game + in which u can take ur op characters and kill some of the scripted invisible enemies " some with charm ability" resulting into.... "Spoilers below"
A new game plus or game over :D
Not gonna lie the mistakes in the script make me question this whole video... better research needed.
Having just beaten Sekiro, Genichiro is easy tbh. Fun fight though
Scripted losses are bullshit.
Cool list 🎮
Youre absolutely insane to think ima sit through 4 unskippable 5 minute ads. Dislike
BG3 Part doesnt make any sense to include in this list