Love Valerion's VisionMaster Pro 2! I spent a of of time with VisionMaster's Pro 2 at my favorite local dealer, Value Electronics who has the VisionMaster Pro 2 set-up next to Hisense's C2-Ultra, and Hisense's C2 Pro all set-up next to each-other in the same room.
So since you spent time with both in person, do you feel that the C2 Ultra & VPro2 are close in comparison? From not just the spec sheet but actual viewer engagement?
Looks great! I backed the max model and can't wait for CES where Valerion said they will have the dynamic iris working. As for the screen I would love a frasnel from them that is acusticaly transparent and motorized self tensioning. Could you put a word in with valerion for a friand? 😅😉
I'm very curious how long it will take other manufacturers to copy the EBL algorithm (if their hardware is capable of running it) ... this is GREAT news for competition where we as end-users can only benefit 🙂
I dont get it with all the valerion reviews. If the EBL is the best way and not sacrificing anything then why there is the option of ON and OFF? With the early optoma released there was this option of dynamic black on or off, but there is a significant brightness overblown highlights and the annoying dimming and brightening scenes if the background is bright or dark
Do not forget this is not a home cinema dedicated projector,for more light room viewing the ebl is not the best so that why this option exists,my opinion,@@lolkenen6249
I'll have to see it for myself. I'd expect to see more black crush with EBL enabled vs disabled. I can't tell if the color differences are due only to contrast. It may need a different calibration setting for each mode due.
I will recived pro2 21 january... can you share your imput setting... i know that my project do not have this beta firmaware... but the other setting?.... can you write on the top of this discussion?
I m waiting for my valerian pro 2... but i have a problem..😂.... wich type of screen .. fresnel?... only ARL?.... or classic white?.... about 120/150 inch... can you help me?
A Fresnel screen is perfect for a normal living room with ambient light, on the other hand, a white screen is a good choice if you have a bat cave setup.
I do not have a black room... so maybe the white is not a good choise... but usually i see the film in the evenig with very low light...so what fresnel brand ?... chinese brand could a good choise?@@projectorjunkies4152
@@projectorjunkies4152 I was almost sure because the difference at the picture was like much more better, contrast and color but I have to ask to verify that Thank you Ps : Did you notice any speckles increase from your first review with the white matte screen to this fresnel screen? Thank you Heyyy καλή χρονιά κιόλας
@@AmiKxDub I just got one from Alibaba after searching around ,I think is a good idea the fresnel screen even for a long time investment because now days projectors are advancing,for 500$ plus delivery and fees,all depends also the destination delivery
It is clear these points: ebl must on maybe on the low position or high. Depending on the film tipe. The laser power from 0 positon to 6/7 never on the maximum 10... what do you think?
With the new firmware, you can adjust the laser power to any percentage, perfectly tailoring it to your space and your eyes.For example, in my space, I’ve chosen to set EBL to High with the laser power at just 1, achieving an ideal balance for my viewing environment.
At the end, when you say that there is an “upgrade” coming to enable a 30,000:1 dynamic contrast, are you/Valerion referring to a firmware upgrade? Or a newer model?
EBL is a dynamic laser dimming feature that can be turned off, like any other feature in the menu. Additionally, there’s the "Dark Detail" setting, which works perfectly, and the "Active Contrast" feature-both of which can also be disabled if desired. The EBL setting itself offers two levels, "Low" and "High." So how could it possibly stay always on? And at what value?
Laser power 10 is too much on a dark scene. Laser power 0 looks better with ebl high. I think when the max model gets a dynamic iris, and can close the iris down and lower brightness, maybe the max can match the dark capabilities of laser power 0 for dark scenes and bright capabilities of laser power 10 for bright scenes.
Nikos, I'm not sure why you wouldn't watch the Valerion at any setting other than Laser 10 ELB:high. Could it be because the noise increases on the projector. The image quality seems to be the best when Laser and ELB are on maximum setting. You mentioned on you page that you though the Plus 2 may have given the best results. How were the upgrade results for that model or Is this ELB upgrade only for the Pro 2 model? Thanks for this outstanding test.
The camera exposure setting is the same for every scenario. I did this to clearly demonstrate the differences-there was no other way. In reality, even at low laser power, the image is outstanding, with even better blacks! The Plus 2 truly rocks with this new firmware, and a new video will follow soon.
...i m waiting for the pro 2... but from your world i undestand that the plus have much more improvement on the black scene ... 😮😮😮... real?... @@projectorjunkies4152
Love Valerion's VisionMaster Pro 2! I spent a of of time with VisionMaster's Pro 2 at my favorite local dealer, Value Electronics who has the VisionMaster Pro 2 set-up next to Hisense's C2-Ultra, and Hisense's C2 Pro all set-up next to each-other in the same room.
So since you spent time with both in person, do you feel that the C2 Ultra & VPro2 are close in comparison? From not just the spec sheet but actual viewer engagement?
@@cratediggah The images looks very similar. I had a slight preference favoring Hisense's C2 Ultra. Leica's Play 1 was the best.
Looks great! I backed the max model and can't wait for CES where Valerion said they will have the dynamic iris working. As for the screen I would love a frasnel from them that is acusticaly transparent and motorized self tensioning. Could you put a word in with valerion for a friand? 😅😉
I'm very curious how long it will take other manufacturers to copy the EBL algorithm (if their hardware is capable of running it) ... this is GREAT news for competition where we as end-users can only benefit 🙂
I completely agree with you!
The Hisense C2 Ultra is the same hardware. I hope Hisense releases a firmware update with it.
can you please tell me where to get the beta firmware from? I could not find it but I want to use it for an upodate of my review
I dont get it with all the valerion reviews. If the EBL is the best way and not sacrificing anything then why there is the option of ON and OFF? With the early optoma released there was this option of dynamic black on or off, but there is a significant brightness overblown highlights and the annoying dimming and brightening scenes if the background is bright or dark
Some people don't want it on , it's not that hard to comprehend
@@cordcuttercamthe point he’s making is there must be some sort of drawback to it since it’s an optional feature
@@lolkenen6249 it really isn't though , that's the thing
@@lolkenen6249 It most likely adds some latency so you don't want it on for playing games
Do not forget this is not a home cinema dedicated projector,for more light room viewing the ebl is not the best so that why this option exists,my opinion,@@lolkenen6249
I'll have to see it for myself. I'd expect to see more black crush with EBL enabled vs disabled. I can't tell if the color differences are due only to contrast. It may need a different calibration setting for each mode due.
There is no black crash-quite the opposite. Yes, it requires different settings for each scenario, but I wanted to capture it raw.
I will recived pro2 21 january... can you share your imput setting... i know that my project do not have this beta firmaware... but the other setting?.... can you write on the top of this discussion?
sure, i will do that!
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I m waiting for my valerian pro 2... but i have a problem..😂.... wich type of screen .. fresnel?... only ARL?.... or classic white?.... about 120/150 inch... can you help me?
A Fresnel screen is perfect for a normal living room with ambient light, on the other hand, a white screen is a good choice if you have a bat cave setup.
I do not have a black room... so maybe the white is not a good choise... but usually i see the film in the evenig with very low light...so what fresnel brand ?... chinese brand could a good choise?@@projectorjunkies4152
Is there any problem if we always keep EBL high?
Nope, i have the EBL always on!
Niko did you do this new test with the new fresnel screen that you showed at your latest video or you use different screen?
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Yes!
@@projectorjunkies4152 I was almost sure because the difference at the picture was like much more better, contrast and color but I have to ask to verify that
Thank you
Ps : Did you notice any speckles increase from your first review with the white matte screen to this fresnel screen?
Thank you
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To follow I’m searching a screen and hesitated with a fixed fresnel or motorized (who that maybe a better choice for my configuration)
@@AmiKxDub I just got one from Alibaba after searching around ,I think is a good idea the fresnel screen even for a long time investment because now days projectors are advancing,for 500$ plus delivery and fees,all depends also the destination delivery
It is clear these points: ebl must on maybe on the low position or high. Depending on the film tipe. The laser power from 0 positon to 6/7 never on the maximum 10... what do you think?
With the new firmware, you can adjust the laser power to any percentage, perfectly tailoring it to your space and your eyes.For example, in my space, I’ve chosen to set EBL to High with the laser power at just 1, achieving an ideal balance for my viewing environment.
At the end, when you say that there is an “upgrade” coming to enable a 30,000:1 dynamic contrast, are you/Valerion referring to a firmware upgrade? Or a newer model?
a new firmware upgrade!
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Why is there even an option to turn EBL Off ??
Right? There has to be some sort of drawback that these reviewers aren’t mentioning
EBL is a dynamic laser dimming feature that can be turned off, like any other feature in the menu. Additionally, there’s the "Dark Detail" setting, which works perfectly, and the "Active Contrast" feature-both of which can also be disabled if desired. The EBL setting itself offers two levels, "Low" and "High." So how could it possibly stay always on? And at what value?
Laser power 10 is too much on a dark scene.
Laser power 0 looks better with ebl high.
I think when the max model gets a dynamic iris, and can close the iris down and lower brightness, maybe the max can match the dark capabilities of laser power 0 for dark scenes and bright capabilities of laser power 10 for bright scenes.
I think the software is brilliant but I am noticing a colour shift between ON and OFF which is a little concerning.
Yes, there is a color shifting but the final image is impressive. Do not forget that this is a beta firmware.
Thanks for your hard work. What about the differences with the Plus2 please ? Is the Pro2 black level largely better than it ?
a pro2 vs plus 2 video will follow!
is change on plus 2 model also noticeable?
a pro2 vs plus2 video will follow!
Nikos, I'm not sure why you wouldn't watch the Valerion at any setting other than Laser 10 ELB:high. Could it be because the noise increases on the projector. The image quality seems to be the best when Laser and ELB are on maximum setting. You mentioned on you page that you though the Plus 2 may have given the best results. How were the upgrade results for that model or Is this ELB upgrade only for the Pro 2 model? Thanks for this outstanding test.
The camera exposure setting is the same for every scenario. I did this to clearly demonstrate the differences-there was no other way. In reality, even at low laser power, the image is outstanding, with even better blacks! The Plus 2 truly rocks with this new firmware, and a new video will follow soon.
@@projectorjunkies4152 Looking forward to the Plus 2 video. Thanks Nikos!
...i m waiting for the pro 2... but from your world i undestand that the plus have much more improvement on the black scene ... 😮😮😮... real?... @@projectorjunkies4152
Do you have EBL always turned on? What about movies with less dark scenes?
You can keep it always on! It enhances the entire image, not just the dark scenes.
What camera you use
Sony A7CII + Sony 35mm f1.8 lens
Ught, that oversmooth soap opera effect 🫣 Cant believe "a junkie" has these kind of settings on.
hahahaha..everyone has their breaking point
@@projectorjunkies4152 Heheh 🤓