@@haroldveatch3159 the referecne footage is displayed on YOUR display. Like the other 2 also. It is the original video stream data put into HookUp's video. The other 2 are camera recordings.
Bruh, you are doing the most! I'll bet there are more than just a few of us that wanted to see this type of comparison but didn't want to look goofy asking for it. 😁 Extra 🏅🏅 for the hardest working projector reviewer in the business! Thanks Bro!
Another great video. I also found the Valerion very impressive (again). Can't wait to see a comparison with a calibrated Max model. Thanks for this great job.❤
Pro 2 held up well, better black levels on the jvc but the pro 2 to me was close to reference on a lot of scenes. Thanks, glad I backed the max version.
please add a "thanks /tips" button please. I'll leave one on your other channel for now, but great coverage like this which really helps people out deserves a tip. Thanks again!
The software on the Valerion must be crazy good, to do this. For me it just confirmed that i'm not going to spend 5 figure amounts. The new guys on the block has truly done their homework.
I bought a LOT of JVC projectors back in the day for various cinema's (including my own). When BenQ first launched their budget 4k projector I bought one for the games room. I kept running back and forth between the cinema room and the ghetto games room and really was hard pushed to see the difference. The JVC projectors are high end and quality items, BUT I cannot justify the X9 prices especially when projectors are "fashion" and will be out of cool in 2 years. I just upgraded my DLP to laser and I am very happy with the results. Uk prices for the Benq 7100 are £1300 from Richer Sounds with a 6 year warranty. Bye bye JVC.. too little too late.
These lifestyle projectors are kicking butt!!! I got the Dangbei DBOX02 a couple months ago and I'm happy with it, but this Valerion and the tech coming is just amazing! The fact that retail consumers can now get a great 4k movie experience for $1-3k is great!
Can you make a comparison just like this but with the Valerion vs Epson 5050ub? They are kind of close in price, awesome video by the way, keep up the good work, your channel for projectors is like what Rtings is for TVs!!
Wow. I'm going to be in the market for a 4k very-high-quality projector in the next year and I'll have to say that the Valerion is performing unbelievably beyond its price class. The JVC has undoubtedly better color accuracy (the Valerion is notably red-shifted to me) but I found myself preferring the Valerion image in a lot of the dark scenes! Also, at no point does the JVC completely embarrass the Valerion, which you'd expect with this level of price difference. So yeah, this is a lot to think about. I do have a dedicated theater and noise, speakers, OS, etc simply don't matter at all and thus I wouldn't naturally be even glancing at "lifestyle" projectors. But that Valerion -- wow.
Actually if you go on their kickstarter now, you can get it for 40% off of the retail price. I know it is a bit of a gamble but every review I have seen speaks very highly of the Valerion projectors.
@@Fluterra right but it's a sister company of AWOL who focuses on UST projectors and they wanna make this their lifestyle projectors and The Hook Up amongst others had their review unit. It is legit.
Well. There are multiple screnes where I liked the valerion more, which is unexpected. Overall I like the JVC picture more. But maybe $2k more, not $14k more. And thinking about everything except the picture, I have no use for the JVC and the Valerion perfectly fits my needs.
🤣😂🤣 After 4 minutes into watching i noticed that the video is actually in the OPPOSITE of what was show on the table 😱😱 Oh my…Valerion is crazy good ❤️❤️❤️ It blows JVC away !!!!!
You are the man!!! Crazy how well it holds up against the JVC beast. Pro 2 even looked better in a couple scenes. Hope the Max will close that gap even more!
So glad I ordered a pro2. This video and the review you did on main channel confirms that it absolutely prison dates the competition at its pre order price
I guess it should be noted that the Kickstarter price listed at $2100 is a 40% discount because of the Kickstarter project, so regular MSRP would be about $2940.
Very interesting comparison - thanks for taking the time to do it. Two questions: 1. What is the source for the 'Reference' video? 2. What were the HDR settings on the JVC? It would also be interesting to feed both of these the output from the madVR Envy, to eliminate tone mapping differences, and concentrate on other aspects of the image. Regardless, thanks again.
@@thehookupextras Thanks. What display is the ripped raw file being played on, and how is it handling or tone mapping the HDR? It just looks a little flat, although viewing all of this on UA-cam is likely quite a bit different from in-person. And the HDR Level on the JVC - Auto or another setting?
@@dlcphoto I think you're misunderstanding something. The reference video isn't playing on a display at all. You're simply watching the actual movie clip for comparison. It would be like searching up a movie trailer on youtube, and watching that. The only display in that scenario is the one you're looking at. :-) The better question to ask would be what color space conversions / file format conversions did the reference file see in the production pipeline.
@@ryankramer Thanks for the reply, and yes, this gets towards what I was thinking about. "Reference" would ultimately be seeing what would be seen on the calibrated display used by the film's technical people, capable of fully showing the color space, dynamic range, etc. I understand that. I'm trying to understand how the 'Reference' shown in the video compares with what was seen on that original calibrated display, and how it got from the digital file to an image in the video. And to be clear, this is not intended as a criticism of the video; just trying to fully understand more about the 'Reference' image that is shown.
@@dlcphoto Once the file is locked and 'blessed' from the mastering sessions, the video file is what it is REGARDLESS of that original display that was used to create it. It's entirely possible to have a MORE accurate and BETTER display to view the file than what was used to grade and master the original one used in production. (Pricey though! ^_^) That's why thinking about what the original display was that it was mastered with doesn't really gain you anything and one should focus on the importance of finding the highest quality footage file (with no mastering errors) instead. As for pipeline, speaking generally, the original footage would probably be ripped from a disc. You'd take that footage and bring it into a NLE (Non linear editor) like Davinci Resolve. When you set up your project in your NLE, you want to be matching your project to your file's specs. Things like bit depth, color space, resolution, frame rate, etc. should all match. You would want to have any footage of the projectors shot also lined up with the same specs if possible. Now, it's almost impossible to do perfectly in practice,. Frame rates, shutter speeds, exposures for one display vs another, etc. make it very tricky to match everything. In reality, you're left with approximations of what you see in person, which is why people can't get too carried away with what they watch here in this video and why The Hook Up even said it's a little silly. ^_^ To be sure though, it sure looks like this video was made to do a good job of matching what was seen perceptively, and I applaud the work that went into it.
Some fairly rampant Rainbow Effect clearly visible on the Valerion there. That, along with the poor DLP black levels will make this one a no-go for many people, but overall it looks like it could offer a relatively decent image for the money.
Important question: does it flicker? JVC and Sony use PWM dimming and for sensitive people watching their output causes issues like eye strain, nausea etc. You can check that withslow mo feature in any modern smartphone camera.
I'll take the reference footage projector 😂😂 Makes you wonder if my guy is getting any of that $5 million after watching this one. Your opinions matter heavily in the projector market especially in the forums.
I haven't seen valerion in person but I tried other triple laser ust (even been to a showdown event), an Epson 5040, a benq 3550 and even a jvc np5 in a dark room clearly wins. The contrast makes a huge difference in image 3d pop. Valerion is native 3000:1. Jvc np5 only appears dim in some instances at 1800 lumens. I enjoy watching jvc on 120" more than I enjoy watching a 77" oled. Oled doesn't get as bright as lcd but oled's image just pop so much more. It's the same as jvc compared to other projectors I mentioned.
Not that I would ever even consider the JVC to buy. But looking at these two side by side they look very similar to my eyes. there were only a few scenes where I "just" prefered the JVC, but overwhelmingly I prefered the Valerian, in fact I found myself just drawn and watching the Valerian for long periods and forgetting to look at the JVC at the same time to compare, I had to watch it all again and force myself to make sure I looked at both.
the blacks are definitely decently better on the JVC. Would love to compare with another projector I know or at least that is considered a good projector like Epson 5050UB or LS11000 or LS12000. Seems like the color temp is consistently a bit too blue in the Valerion in this comparison.
You are awesome. This review is excellent which clearly shows its not always the well-known brand that produces excellent quality of images. I have not seen anyone surpass your quality and standard of review of projectors. You are the best reviewer of projectors on UA-cam.
Two quick questions regarding the Valerion Pro. 1. What models of Screens would you recommend for day & night time viewing? Do you think it's worth to buy for it the Fresnel ALR Screen offered in bundle pack at Kickstarter? 2. Is there a menu in it's OS, which you can use to calibrate color accuracy below delta 3?
I believe I can answer 😉: 1) No one knows about their ALR. Valerion claims a new de-speckle tech but those who got the screen can't share a lot of details. Long throw ALR Fresnel screens are being sold for around 3 years but they are not very popular, as you won't even find reviews on them, just occasional mentioning on AVS. According to one reviewer from Australia on the Valerion screen there is still a bit of a laser speckle but it's not clear whether it's because the screen was not positioned properly as he was testing ceiling mount and might not have flipped the screen upside down - said reviewer packed the PJ up and has no time to test it again. One thing for sure - the minimal laser speckle and the best sharpness is going to be on a decent white screen, if you have the dark room ready for it. Alternatively you can consider 0.6-0.8 gain matte gray screen (not ALR) if you have a light bleed somewhere or reflections in the dark, but still forget about day viewing with it. I gambled and ordered their Fresnel 100" - I figured if it fails I'll still sell it for a couple hundred and the total loss wont be too high for me to worry about. I consider it a learning experience, a very typical thing in the PJ world 🤣 2) For sure there is everything in it to calibrate it properly. You can find the results on YT, avg. accuracy is well below 3. Question is whether you have access to required equipment (costs like several projectors like this) or a company which can do it for you. Personally I'll just use reference images to balance RGB. I'll mostly watch HDR on it anyway (real and RTX HDR through MPC Video Renderer).
@@Fiztex553 Thanks for sharing your comprehensive opinion about the Fresnel ALR Screen. I still wonder - what kind of screen and brand would The Hook Up recommend for Valerion...
I think the Valerion's colours were a little off in some scenes, but overall I think I actually preferred it to the JVC. The one area that it seemed to fail was in the very bright HDR scene where the guy is looking down into the camera, with a lit sky behind him. The clouds were completely blown out on the Valerion... but is that worth paying $14k more for the JVC? I don't think so.
Thanks for the great video, appreciate all the hard work you had to do to make it happen; carrying that JVC around alone must have been a back breaker, hope the cart was close! As for the video, there were definitely scenes where I preferred the Valerion and some scenes where I preferred the JVC; they seemed to trade blows occasionally on which matched reference better. The JVC did seem to crush black details in a lot of scenes though, so I would in a majority of cases prefer the Valerion's image.
haha considering the price diff, youtube compression this is actually quite mindblowing. Let's throw in the size diff as well :D The darker stuff on the Pro 2 seems to be showing better, specially looking at stuff in the background in the first scenes. On many scenes the Pro 2 is very similar to the reference
@kennysughiarto2780 🤦♂️ The vision master. Do you actually believe you're going to get an amazing projector for 2K? You're not! It'll be okay at best.
Damn Valerion looks great. I have an NX5 and was thinking of upgrading to the NZ500 to get more modern tech, less noise and heat while being brighter(small room), and faster HDMI sync times. I’m seriously considering the Valerion Max now… I also have a Lumagen I could pair with it. How is motion compared against the JVC? I like the motion on my JVC FWIW so just curious if we can expect similar performance from the two in that regard.
I don't think I would be looking at that upgrade that way. Valerion has good blacks for lifestyle DLP but in general blacks have been bad with this class of projectors. Like worse than classic 1080p DLP projectors with larger DMD. I highly prefer my really old JVC HD350 to several 4K DLP lifestyle projectors I have tried for movies. Older DILA models don't have low latency for gaming. I am expecting to get passable blacks for Valerion but not inky blacks.
Your awesome thanks for doing this… I’m amazed at the performance of the Valerion… and from my untrained eye looking through my iPhone screen I actually prefer the Valerion on the brighter scenes… maybe it’s just because it’s brighter looking and harder to distinguish on a smaller screen… also it seemed more juddery. But what was your take?
Thank you for doing this. Would have likes some variation in scene lighting vs mostly very dark. Dark scene are very valuable but also bright scenes to see how it handles those. Looks like the NZ8 was not calibrated as skin tones were far off vs reference and just a little too dark. The Pro2 looked to have oversaturated Red. Maybe calibrate them and re-run the test? Comparing to an NZ5 or NZ500 would be a closer match to what someone may make a buying decision with... NZ8 is a cool comparison, thank you.
@@drcasper 1:37 - "this isn't calibrated, straight out of the box". So are both calibrated or just the JVC? Not sure with his wording, sorry no native speaker.
@@drcasper he says 'its very well calibrated' but he didn't say and he was quoting specs but he did not say it was manually calibrated (like from a pro). JVCs are very good direct from the factory. ... an example of where the JVC looks bad and the Pro2 is far closer to Ref is at 17:35 ... look at the skin tones. JVC is far from Ref, especially when the dark scene they are walking together in the parking lot.
This just proves the theory of diminishing returns is a real thing!! I’m sure when you get up to the big boy screen sizes the JVC shows its chops!! But anything 120 and below….. well brightness and pixel blow out would be less also of a factor. I’m sure in person the JVC must have preformed better than this lol!!
From 4:20 when the camera pans to the right and left it seems the footage from the Valerion has some lag, the JVC a little less. Would this be because it is recorded?
This was not recorded on a splitter, each had its own source to ensure the correct EDID and tone mapping info was sent. The sources were just ever so slightly out of sync.
Looks like the Valerion is looking slightly desaturated / less contrasty? I think the white balance might be slightly too blueish (although to my eyes that actually looks more natural, but we do want it to match the color grading)
To me the valerion looked better across most scenes, brighter, smoother, finer edges, all watching this on my tcl 98" and pixel peeping. This is an insane performance from a sub 3k projector
@thehookupextras is there any way you could make a video comparing ALR Screen vs White Matt Screen, Ceiling Mount vs Non Ceiling Mount comparisons? I feel many people are curious about this, especially people like me who are new to the Projector world but excited to be a part of Valerion. Thank you!!
The NZ8 is last gen and as such I imagine would not cost the same as the current gen JVC NZ800 at $15-16k. The JVC black levels are appreciably better in real life and comparisons like this without level calibration mean nothing. In real life I imagine the grey blacks of the Valerion would irritate me and DLP rainbow (although appears to be minimized) probably a major issue. There are positives and negatives on both sides, but I would strongly recommend anyone looking to buy any projector to demo it in person first.
But Valerion stuff can be fixed by going for a Grey Screen without ALR, since it's brightness is higher than JVC you will get better black bars with slight sacrifice in brightness that will still be higher than JVC, and the rainbow issue is usually only visible in ALR screen or poor quality ones, I bet a regular Matte Grey or White won't be visible.
Yes it's an unfair comparison, the JVC was fully calibrated and the Valerion was just out of the box with NO calibration. The JVC is supposed to beat the competition, no doubt.
I would like to know if the Visionmaster Pro 2 would be a significant improvement over my Optoma GT1080 Darbee projector in terms of contrast, colors, and level of detail, or would it just be an okay improvement?
Can you share what the best screen is for the Valarion? I hear and read very contradictive info what is best to use is a medium lit room without getting laser speckle. THNAKS!
Yes the JVC colour is a bit better definitely the native contrast is better,,on the other hand the valarian is better on the dark details which is surprising 😮 But the price gap is not justified at all . The Valarian wins🎉
For me, the choice of Valerion. The color accuracy in relation to the reference was different. Sometimes Valerion was better, sometimes JVC. But the HDR brightness was much better in Valerion. Regarding black. Very high black in JVC often caused loss of detail in black. JVC often had darker black than reference. I don't know if it should be like that. However, despite the fact that in dark details Reference and JVC had similar colors (scenes on a boat in the port), the great tonal balance of colors in Valerion convinced me more.
@@dominus519 and if you think it won't ,then what are you doing here? The whole video is about trying to show the difference between those. Or did you just come to offend people? Video shows valid difference in tone mapping and great EBL of Valerion which can definitely lead to that impression. Obviously, those are completely different projectors with different goals. JVC is trying hard to show an image close to reference via classic approach through hardware brute force (much bigger static contrast), while Valerion achieves very likable picture through amazing tone mapping and EBL. And if are going to like both pictures, then why pay at least $14000 more? Only a few are going to choose to spend so much extra to achieve that little. The whole home cinema with construction, sound and furniture can come close to that difference if you DIY.
So the Valerian did not have your (Robert's) usual color correction done? We're seeing the OOTB color on the Valerian??? If so... "Wow! Crazy Impressive!"
Also any chance you could share your calibration numbers that you used for the Valerion. I know it’s subjective but when you did it for the JMGO it made a noticeable difference for me… Thanks again!!
Hey hook up, do you think that the Nexigo Aurora Pro beats the visionMaster Pro 2? also you should make a comparation between the best UST and this vision master pro 2.
Based on this Comparison is totally dumb to spend 13.000 more for the JVC !!! Thats my thoughts !!! 😮😮😮 The Valerion is top notch for around 2000 bucks.
Call me crazy but on my monitor the Valerion looks better more often than not. Maybe it's the tone mapping or just the settings on my monitor but the performance of the valerion is outstanding for it's price.
What is your overall personal impression of this comparison? Judging from this video alone, the Valerion should be the value king of kings. It even seems to have more pop and shadow detail. The only way to truly gauge how different, though, is to see both side by side in person.
I didnt see any rainbow effect though something in the quick pans on the edges of the display. looked like a clear vertical wave for a moment. will have to watch it again. Dont know if its possible to see rainbow if not watching it live? cant believe how close it is to the jvc, the colors on the jvc seem oversaturated in the blue/green?
People trying so hard to put down the JVC simply because of the price difference. No need for that, you can compliment the Val without trashing the JVC. If the VAL looks good and fits your budget then good.
It begs the question though, is the massive leap in pricing truly justifiable? Yes its native 4k, yes the black levels are superior, but you're looking at triple the price.
I have yet to evaluate any of the new standard throw ALR screens. The advantage of the PX3-Pro and USTs in general is how efficient the ALR screens are at rejecting ambient light.
@@thehookupextras Will you receive the Valerion Fresnel ALR screen? And have you tried pairing the Valerion with the Nothingprojector black series ALR screen? I've seen reviewers use that screen with standard throw laser projectors, and they were quite positive with the results
Based on this I’ve just preordered a Reference Footage - thanks! 🤩
Me too. At 4:45, the reference footage displays two people.Both projectors display two black blobs. What i the reference footage displayed on?
@@haroldveatch3159 the referecne footage is displayed on YOUR display. Like the other 2 also. It is the original video stream data put into HookUp's video. The other 2 are camera recordings.
Haha🎉😂
I wish youtube had gold like reddit
This is exactly what is asked for! You're nuts! The best reviewer on UA-cam as always.
I was thinking that if he would do it, it Will be the Best compare ever. Now ebook readers please :).
Bruh, you are doing the most! I'll bet there are more than just a few of us that wanted to see this type of comparison but didn't want to look goofy asking for it. 😁
Extra 🏅🏅 for the hardest working projector reviewer in the business! Thanks Bro!
I just realised that this is your second channel. Didn't realise you had one! Subbed!
SAME!!!
Another great video. I also found the Valerion very impressive (again). Can't wait to see a comparison with a calibrated Max model. Thanks for this great job.❤
Bro you taking it now to another level!!!! You actually made me buy projector while I don't even need one
Pro 2 held up well, better black levels on the jvc but the pro 2 to me was close to reference on a lot of scenes. Thanks, glad I backed the max version.
please add a "thanks /tips" button please. I'll leave one on your other channel for now, but great coverage like this which really helps people out deserves a tip. Thanks again!
That's the ridiculous comparison I was waiting for! Thank you sir! 🎉
Like many have said , thank you for doing this, I’m actually gonna view it on my OLED TV instead of just a smart phone or computer screen
The software on the Valerion must be crazy good, to do this. For me it just confirmed that i'm not going to spend 5 figure amounts. The new guys on the block has truly done their homework.
I bought a LOT of JVC projectors back in the day for various cinema's (including my own). When BenQ first launched their budget 4k projector I bought one for the games room. I kept running back and forth between the cinema room and the ghetto games room and really was hard pushed to see the difference. The JVC projectors are high end and quality items, BUT I cannot justify the X9 prices especially when projectors are "fashion" and will be out of cool in 2 years. I just upgraded my DLP to laser and I am very happy with the results. Uk prices for the Benq 7100 are £1300 from Richer Sounds with a 6 year warranty. Bye bye JVC.. too little too late.
These lifestyle projectors are kicking butt!!! I got the Dangbei DBOX02 a couple months ago and I'm happy with it, but this Valerion and the tech coming is just amazing! The fact that retail consumers can now get a great 4k movie experience for $1-3k is great!
Can you make a comparison just like this but with the Valerion vs Epson 5050ub? They are kind of close in price, awesome video by the way, keep up the good work, your channel for projectors is like what Rtings is for TVs!!
Yeah this guy is nuts, but always on point, is it just me or the Valerion is brighter..? Wow
Would love to see a side by side with the NexiGo Aurora Pro next.
Wow. I'm going to be in the market for a 4k very-high-quality projector in the next year and I'll have to say that the Valerion is performing unbelievably beyond its price class. The JVC has undoubtedly better color accuracy (the Valerion is notably red-shifted to me) but I found myself preferring the Valerion image in a lot of the dark scenes! Also, at no point does the JVC completely embarrass the Valerion, which you'd expect with this level of price difference.
So yeah, this is a lot to think about. I do have a dedicated theater and noise, speakers, OS, etc simply don't matter at all and thus I wouldn't naturally be even glancing at "lifestyle" projectors. But that Valerion -- wow.
Actually if you go on their kickstarter now, you can get it for 40% off of the retail price. I know it is a bit of a gamble but every review I have seen speaks very highly of the Valerion projectors.
@@jordirappera “bit” of a gamble?! Hahaha. You have zero recourse if they go under. You lose everything.
@@Fluterra right but it's a sister company of AWOL who focuses on UST projectors and they wanna make this their lifestyle projectors and The Hook Up amongst others had their review unit. It is legit.
Thank you for the great reviews and comparisons you do on all of your vids.
You are amazing thank you for all of your hard work. This empowers us in making better choices.
Well. There are multiple screnes where I liked the valerion more, which is unexpected. Overall I like the JVC picture more. But maybe $2k more, not $14k more.
And thinking about everything except the picture, I have no use for the JVC and the Valerion perfectly fits my needs.
Thanks for that , very interesting.
I run a Sony HW 55 , can’t stand the rainbows on DLP.
But oh my , i might have to take another look around .
This earned a subscribe.
🤣😂🤣 After 4 minutes into watching i noticed that the video is actually in the OPPOSITE of what was show on the table 😱😱 Oh my…Valerion is crazy good ❤️❤️❤️ It blows JVC away !!!!!
You are the man!!! Crazy how well it holds up against the JVC beast. Pro 2 even looked better in a couple scenes. Hope the Max will close that gap even more!
This is why you are the best! Thank you for doing this!!!!!!!
So glad I ordered a pro2. This video and the review you did on main channel confirms that it absolutely prison dates the competition at its pre order price
I would be interested in a comparison like this against the Epson LS series
Can you do the Epson LS11000 vs the Valerion Pro 2?
Epson 11000 is most likely not as good. Valerion seems to be the better PJ.
I guess it should be noted that the Kickstarter price listed at $2100 is a 40% discount because of the Kickstarter project, so regular MSRP would be about $2940.
I kind of like dark scenes showed by Valerion more than reference or JVC. Looks like great tone mapping and EBL.
Very interesting comparison - thanks for taking the time to do it. Two questions:
1. What is the source for the 'Reference' video?
2. What were the HDR settings on the JVC?
It would also be interesting to feed both of these the output from the madVR Envy, to eliminate tone mapping differences, and concentrate on other aspects of the image. Regardless, thanks again.
The source for the reference video is the raw ripped video files. JVC set to Frame Adapt 1 Mode 1.
@@thehookupextras Thanks.
What display is the ripped raw file being played on, and how is it handling or tone mapping the HDR? It just looks a little flat, although viewing all of this on UA-cam is likely quite a bit different from in-person.
And the HDR Level on the JVC - Auto or another setting?
@@dlcphoto I think you're misunderstanding something. The reference video isn't playing on a display at all. You're simply watching the actual movie clip for comparison. It would be like searching up a movie trailer on youtube, and watching that. The only display in that scenario is the one you're looking at. :-) The better question to ask would be what color space conversions / file format conversions did the reference file see in the production pipeline.
@@ryankramer Thanks for the reply, and yes, this gets towards what I was thinking about. "Reference" would ultimately be seeing what would be seen on the calibrated display used by the film's technical people, capable of fully showing the color space, dynamic range, etc. I understand that.
I'm trying to understand how the 'Reference' shown in the video compares with what was seen on that original calibrated display, and how it got from the digital file to an image in the video.
And to be clear, this is not intended as a criticism of the video; just trying to fully understand more about the 'Reference' image that is shown.
@@dlcphoto Once the file is locked and 'blessed' from the mastering sessions, the video file is what it is REGARDLESS of that original display that was used to create it. It's entirely possible to have a MORE accurate and BETTER display to view the file than what was used to grade and master the original one used in production. (Pricey though! ^_^) That's why thinking about what the original display was that it was mastered with doesn't really gain you anything and one should focus on the importance of finding the highest quality footage file (with no mastering errors) instead.
As for pipeline, speaking generally, the original footage would probably be ripped from a disc. You'd take that footage and bring it into a NLE (Non linear editor) like Davinci Resolve. When you set up your project in your NLE, you want to be matching your project to your file's specs. Things like bit depth, color space, resolution, frame rate, etc. should all match.
You would want to have any footage of the projectors shot also lined up with the same specs if possible. Now, it's almost impossible to do perfectly in practice,. Frame rates, shutter speeds, exposures for one display vs another, etc. make it very tricky to match everything. In reality, you're left with approximations of what you see in person, which is why people can't get too carried away with what they watch here in this video and why The Hook Up even said it's a little silly. ^_^
To be sure though, it sure looks like this video was made to do a good job of matching what was seen perceptively, and I applaud the work that went into it.
Why does it look like the valarion is running 24 or 30 fps vs 60 on the jvc and reference? It kind of looks like stuttering🤔
More like 12fps. Something is way off there.
Valerion have a dedicated Cinema mode with 24fps. You can change to higher fps if you want.
The Valerion was running at 60hz instead of 24 so he could take proper video (from his camera) of it, that's why the panning was jerky
@@beinleif524 this
DLP chips can’t produce natural motion blur. He talks about that in his other video where he tests it out.
Some fairly rampant Rainbow Effect clearly visible on the Valerion there. That, along with the poor DLP black levels will make this one a no-go for many people, but overall it looks like it could offer a relatively decent image for the money.
Important question: does it flicker? JVC and Sony use PWM dimming and for sensitive people watching their output causes issues like eye strain, nausea etc. You can check that withslow mo feature in any modern smartphone camera.
I'll take the reference footage projector 😂😂
Makes you wonder if my guy is getting any of that $5 million after watching this one. Your opinions matter heavily in the projector market especially in the forums.
Can you share what was the JVC NZ8 laser dimming mode in this comparison video? Thanks!
I haven't seen valerion in person but I tried other triple laser ust (even been to a showdown event), an Epson 5040, a benq 3550 and even a jvc np5 in a dark room clearly wins. The contrast makes a huge difference in image 3d pop. Valerion is native 3000:1. Jvc np5 only appears dim in some instances at 1800 lumens. I enjoy watching jvc on 120" more than I enjoy watching a 77" oled. Oled doesn't get as bright as lcd but oled's image just pop so much more. It's the same as jvc compared to other projectors I mentioned.
Not that I would ever even consider the JVC to buy.
But looking at these two side by side they look very similar to my eyes. there were only a few scenes where I "just" prefered the JVC, but overwhelmingly I prefered the Valerian, in fact I found myself just drawn and watching the Valerian for long periods and forgetting to look at the JVC at the same time to compare, I had to watch it all again and force myself to make sure I looked at both.
the blacks are definitely decently better on the JVC. Would love to compare with another projector I know or at least that is considered a good projector like Epson 5050UB or LS11000 or LS12000. Seems like the color temp is consistently a bit too blue in the Valerion in this comparison.
where white balance issue is calibratable I would assume
What backpack would you recommend for the NZ8 if I want to bring it to my friend’s house for mario party?
😂
Just an average womans handbag as these take everything + one more.
One extra large ikea bag
You are awesome. This review is excellent which clearly shows its not always the well-known brand that produces excellent quality of images. I have not seen anyone surpass your quality and standard of review of projectors. You are the best reviewer of projectors on UA-cam.
Why not any feedback on the comparison like always?
Two quick questions regarding the Valerion Pro.
1. What models of Screens would you recommend for day & night time viewing?
Do you think it's worth to buy for it the Fresnel ALR Screen offered in bundle pack at Kickstarter?
2. Is there a menu in it's OS, which you can use to calibrate color accuracy below delta 3?
I believe I can answer 😉:
1) No one knows about their ALR. Valerion claims a new de-speckle tech but those who got the screen can't share a lot of details. Long throw ALR Fresnel screens are being sold for around 3 years but they are not very popular, as you won't even find reviews on them, just occasional mentioning on AVS. According to one reviewer from Australia on the Valerion screen there is still a bit of a laser speckle but it's not clear whether it's because the screen was not positioned properly as he was testing ceiling mount and might not have flipped the screen upside down - said reviewer packed the PJ up and has no time to test it again. One thing for sure - the minimal laser speckle and the best sharpness is going to be on a decent white screen, if you have the dark room ready for it. Alternatively you can consider 0.6-0.8 gain matte gray screen (not ALR) if you have a light bleed somewhere or reflections in the dark, but still forget about day viewing with it. I gambled and ordered their Fresnel 100" - I figured if it fails I'll still sell it for a couple hundred and the total loss wont be too high for me to worry about. I consider it a learning experience, a very typical thing in the PJ world 🤣
2) For sure there is everything in it to calibrate it properly. You can find the results on YT, avg. accuracy is well below 3. Question is whether you have access to required equipment (costs like several projectors like this) or a company which can do it for you. Personally I'll just use reference images to balance RGB. I'll mostly watch HDR on it anyway (real and RTX HDR through MPC Video Renderer).
@@Fiztex553 Thanks for sharing your comprehensive opinion about the Fresnel ALR Screen.
I still wonder - what kind of screen and brand would The Hook Up recommend for Valerion...
I think the Valerion's colours were a little off in some scenes, but overall I think I actually preferred it to the JVC. The one area that it seemed to fail was in the very bright HDR scene where the guy is looking down into the camera, with a lit sky behind him. The clouds were completely blown out on the Valerion... but is that worth paying $14k more for the JVC? I don't think so.
Thanks for the great video, appreciate all the hard work you had to do to make it happen; carrying that JVC around alone must have been a back breaker, hope the cart was close! As for the video, there were definitely scenes where I preferred the Valerion and some scenes where I preferred the JVC; they seemed to trade blows occasionally on which matched reference better. The JVC did seem to crush black details in a lot of scenes though, so I would in a majority of cases prefer the Valerion's image.
haha considering the price diff, youtube compression this is actually quite mindblowing. Let's throw in the size diff as well :D
The darker stuff on the Pro 2 seems to be showing better, specially looking at stuff in the background in the first scenes. On many scenes the Pro 2 is very similar to the reference
I think Jvc has just been put on notice The The Vision Master Pro 2 has just changed the game. Ready to put my pre-order in! Great Job💲
That thing is junk, don't buy it.
@@Jacob-ed1bl wwhat
@kennysughiarto2780 i don't think my comment is difficult to understand, lol.
@@Jacob-ed1bl need to know which thing
@kennysughiarto2780 🤦♂️ The vision master. Do you actually believe you're going to get an amazing projector for 2K? You're not! It'll be okay at best.
my observations:
JVC > valerion in color accuracy and black floor
Valerion > JVC with dynamic range
I would go with the cheaper quieter one
Your reviews are A+
Damn Valerion looks great. I have an NX5 and was thinking of upgrading to the NZ500 to get more modern tech, less noise and heat while being brighter(small room), and faster HDMI sync times. I’m seriously considering the Valerion Max now… I also have a Lumagen I could pair with it. How is motion compared against the JVC? I like the motion on my JVC FWIW so just curious if we can expect similar performance from the two in that regard.
I don't think I would be looking at that upgrade that way. Valerion has good blacks for lifestyle DLP but in general blacks have been bad with this class of projectors. Like worse than classic 1080p DLP projectors with larger DMD. I highly prefer my really old JVC HD350 to several 4K DLP lifestyle projectors I have tried for movies. Older DILA models don't have low latency for gaming. I am expecting to get passable blacks for Valerion but not inky blacks.
2k vs 14k...easy decision for me. I'd need the JVC to be much, much better to choose it over the Valerion!
Your awesome thanks for doing this… I’m amazed at the performance of the Valerion… and from my untrained eye looking through my iPhone screen I actually prefer the Valerion on the brighter scenes… maybe it’s just because it’s brighter looking and harder to distinguish on a smaller screen… also it seemed more juddery. But what was your take?
Any chance for comparison VALERION with some close priced UST?
Thanks For this video. Useful video.
Thank you for doing this. Would have likes some variation in scene lighting vs mostly very dark. Dark scene are very valuable but also bright scenes to see how it handles those. Looks like the NZ8 was not calibrated as skin tones were far off vs reference and just a little too dark. The Pro2 looked to have oversaturated Red. Maybe calibrate them and re-run the test? Comparing to an NZ5 or NZ500 would be a closer match to what someone may make a buying decision with... NZ8 is a cool comparison, thank you.
Bruh did you not listen to the man ? It's calibrated . This guy can calibrate
@@drcasper 1:37 - "this isn't calibrated, straight out of the box". So are both calibrated or just the JVC? Not sure with his wording, sorry no native speaker.
@@drcasper he says 'its very well calibrated' but he didn't say and he was quoting specs but he did not say it was manually calibrated (like from a pro). JVCs are very good direct from the factory. ... an example of where the JVC looks bad and the Pro2 is far closer to Ref is at 17:35 ... look at the skin tones. JVC is far from Ref, especially when the dark scene they are walking together in the parking lot.
Looks interesting, especially at the kickstarter price, but I think I'll stick with my Epson LS12000.
Great video! Will you do another one with measurements?
At 4:56+ the Valerion has more details and JVC went darker and lost the image
This just proves the theory of diminishing returns is a real thing!! I’m sure when you get up to the big boy screen sizes the JVC shows its chops!! But anything 120 and below….. well brightness and pixel blow out would be less also of a factor. I’m sure in person the JVC must have preformed better than this lol!!
How good is the contrast of the Pro 2 compared to the Nexigo aurora pro? I would be very interested in such a video.
I wonder if a bit more calibration of the Valerian they would look a lot closer.
From 4:20 when the camera pans to the right and left it seems the footage from the Valerion has some lag, the JVC a little less. Would this be because it is recorded?
This was not recorded on a splitter, each had its own source to ensure the correct EDID and tone mapping info was sent. The sources were just ever so slightly out of sync.
I don’t understand the technical specifications but I just loved the footage from Valerion. You did great as always. Cheers 🥂
Looks like the Valerion is looking slightly desaturated / less contrasty? I think the white balance might be slightly too blueish (although to my eyes that actually looks more natural, but we do want it to match the color grading)
I have the AWOL 3500. Love it but seeing the Valerion black levels on your other comparison videos has me wondering if I should switch…
To me the valerion looked better across most scenes, brighter, smoother, finer edges, all watching this on my tcl 98" and pixel peeping. This is an insane performance from a sub 3k projector
@thehookupextras is there any way you could make a video comparing ALR Screen vs White Matt Screen, Ceiling Mount vs Non Ceiling Mount comparisons?
I feel many people are curious about this, especially people like me who are new to the Projector world but excited to be a part of Valerion. Thank you!!
Interesting video, what were your camera settings?
The NZ8 is last gen and as such I imagine would not cost the same as the current gen JVC NZ800 at $15-16k. The JVC black levels are appreciably better in real life and comparisons like this without level calibration mean nothing. In real life I imagine the grey blacks of the Valerion would irritate me and DLP rainbow (although appears to be minimized) probably a major issue. There are positives and negatives on both sides, but I would strongly recommend anyone looking to buy any projector to demo it in person first.
I completely agree!!!
But Valerion stuff can be fixed by going for a Grey Screen without ALR, since it's brightness is higher than JVC you will get better black bars with slight sacrifice in brightness that will still be higher than JVC, and the rainbow issue is usually only visible in ALR screen or poor quality ones, I bet a regular Matte Grey or White won't be visible.
Yes it's an unfair comparison, the JVC was fully calibrated and the Valerion was just out of the box with NO calibration. The JVC is supposed to beat the competition, no doubt.
Exactly. This video definitely doesn’t show the DLP grey blacks
Thanks for the video, what is that cool music that accompanies the video?
Thanks for that video. Subscribed.
Valerion is very impressive. What would you say the throw distance is for say a 120" screen?
Honestly if you change the blue green tone it would be so incredibly similar
Valerion is a small projector with beastly characteristics
На Valerion картинка более дерганая против JVC. Такое ощущение что на JVC надо добавить яркость и будет близко к референсу
I would like to know if the Visionmaster Pro 2 would be a significant improvement over my Optoma GT1080 Darbee projector in terms of contrast, colors, and level of detail, or would it just be an okay improvement?
Can you share what the best screen is for the Valarion? I hear and read very contradictive info what is best to use is a medium lit room without getting laser speckle. THNAKS!
@thehookupextras Thanks again for doing this!
Wondering if the Color Filter is engaged on the JVC?
if you haven't before this would be interesting with the JVC against USTs awol 3500 / hisense px3 pro / nexigo aurora pro, morbid curiosity :P
JVC, Sony and Epson prices are now 100% in an audiophile network switch level BS category.
facts
Do I need to have a pitch dark room to watch this projector or can a illuminated living room have this projector?
Interesting video but why haven't you commented on the comparison? Thanks
Yes the JVC colour is a bit better definitely the native contrast is better,,on the other hand the valarian is better on the dark details which is surprising 😮
But the price gap is not justified at all . The Valarian wins🎉
what would explain the color differences here if both have such low delta e and wide color spaces?
Tone mapping.
For me, the choice of Valerion. The color accuracy in relation to the reference was different. Sometimes Valerion was better, sometimes JVC. But the HDR brightness was much better in Valerion. Regarding black. Very high black in JVC often caused loss of detail in black. JVC often had darker black than reference. I don't know if it should be like that. However, despite the fact that in dark details Reference and JVC had similar colors (scenes on a boat in the port), the great tonal balance of colors in Valerion convinced me more.
You really think video's like this can show the differences? Wow.
@@dominus519 and if you think it won't ,then what are you doing here? The whole video is about trying to show the difference between those. Or did you just come to offend people?
Video shows valid difference in tone mapping and great EBL of Valerion which can definitely lead to that impression. Obviously, those are completely different projectors with different goals. JVC is trying hard to show an image close to reference via classic approach through hardware brute force (much bigger static contrast), while Valerion achieves very likable picture through amazing tone mapping and EBL. And if are going to like both pictures, then why pay at least $14000 more? Only a few are going to choose to spend so much extra to achieve that little. The whole home cinema with construction, sound and furniture can come close to that difference if you DIY.
Amazing!
So the Valerian did not have your (Robert's) usual color correction done? We're seeing the OOTB color on the Valerian??? If so... "Wow! Crazy Impressive!"
Thanks. Valerian seems a bit laggy (choppy). Is that also in person?
Also any chance you could share your calibration numbers that you used for the Valerion. I know it’s subjective but when you did it for the JMGO it made a noticeable difference for me… Thanks again!!
As mentioned, this unit is not calibrated.
Hey hook up, do you think that the Nexigo Aurora Pro beats the visionMaster Pro 2?
also
you should make a comparation between the best UST and this vision master pro 2.
Is the Valerion permanently changing the black bars in the black level? Looks like at the scene of Wakanda Forever in the garage.
Based on this Comparison is totally dumb to spend 13.000 more for the JVC !!! Thats my thoughts !!! 😮😮😮 The Valerion is top notch for around 2000 bucks.
Call me crazy but on my monitor the Valerion looks better more often than not. Maybe it's the tone mapping or just the settings on my monitor but the performance of the valerion is outstanding for it's price.
What is your overall personal impression of this comparison? Judging from this video alone, the Valerion should be the value king of kings. It even seems to have more pop and shadow detail. The only way to truly gauge how different, though, is to see both side by side in person.
oh you forgot the star wars dark scene. that one was the best for me!
I didnt see any rainbow effect though something in the quick pans on the edges of the display. looked like a clear vertical wave for a moment. will have to watch it again. Dont know if its possible to see rainbow if not watching it live? cant believe how close it is to the jvc, the colors on the jvc seem oversaturated in the blue/green?
People trying so hard to put down the JVC simply because of the price difference. No need for that, you can compliment the Val without trashing the JVC. If the VAL looks good and fits your budget then good.
It begs the question though, is the massive leap in pricing truly justifiable? Yes its native 4k, yes the black levels are superior, but you're looking at triple the price.
@ I don't mean this as an offense but If you think it's too expensive it's not for you. I'm not saying this with projectors but everything in general.
Wow! THANKS mate! Would you still prefer the Hisense PX3 pro? Comparable? Best YY
I have yet to evaluate any of the new standard throw ALR screens. The advantage of the PX3-Pro and USTs in general is how efficient the ALR screens are at rejecting ambient light.
@@thehookupextras Will you receive the Valerion Fresnel ALR screen? And have you tried pairing the Valerion with the Nothingprojector black series ALR screen? I've seen reviewers use that screen with standard throw laser projectors, and they were quite positive with the results
this is good, might force Sony and JVC to lower their prices, but DLP is not for me.
The Max will have a dynamic iris. You should review the 3D?
I reviewed 3D performance in my main review.