Okay pc. Camera and mics and sound are good. Screen display is good. One will always run into software compatability issues with this even though this will improve over time some people will encounter issues from time to time. Great review.
The downer about these devices running the Snapdragon CPU is that they all have compatibility issues when running certain apps and the graphics performance is rather weak in comparison to Intel. Obviously if you stick to the basics as Andrew noted with Microsoft Office and email web browsing, then you'll be good to go. For $1099.99 however, there are things to like about the ASUS ProArt PZ13 like the battery life which is fantastic, the 3K display even though the refresh rate is only 60Hz, great webcam quality and internal mic audio and the speakers are also impressive. This is not a perfect device but it does have its honorable mentions. Great thorough video once again Andrew!!
Dear Andrew, adore you’re videos. I don’t understand the terminology very well cores, threads etc. However, you’re videos have made me want a Lenovo. 7pro, 7i, 7x. Etc. Would love some kind of explanation in some kind of head to head one day. Thanks for enlightening everyone out here 👍
honestly, instead of being scared of butchering their own sales, just make 1 model or 2 models, theyve got bunch of series and it is ridiculous. Now they release an amazing laptop with a 60hz display, bro everyone's phone runs at at least 90hz these days? It is gonna feel much more unresponsive because of that. They should just have a Zenbook 14/16, an ROG 14/16 and some business model and make them all configurable for the RAM. Ditch all the others like Vivobook and make it cheaper. What a mess. The normal ProArt devices are literally the same as ROG lol.. Thanks for the review Andrew
Thank you. A great review. ❤I like the webcam. Very smooth. I also like you test the display against PWM flicker. I'm OLED flicker sensitive and this info means to me!
Good one. That's fast to see lower end CPU and getting cheaper as Qualcomm was saying. Expecting even more cheaper laptops from non pro line. However we are yet to see how the Intel low power variants perform. Graphics miss on Snapdragon is not deal breaker but it's a big miss :(
Not really, it would be a couple hundred more dollars to have a display of this quality with touch with 120hz or so. Not everything is about specs, it's also about value and target market.
@@AberusugiMinisforum managed to do it for $150 less, with double the RAM and a real GPU. This device, as is, is a total rip off! Wouldn't pay a penny over $700 for it. This will easily be selling for $800 in 6 months or less...
It is sold in India for almost $1700 US dollars. It is a much costlier option when most apps run on emulator mode. High pricing will have low acceptance and thereby forcing developers to ignore the platform for now.
I was surprised by the camera and mic test, but 60 Hz is a big fail in this price range. This should not sell for more than $700. At $800, with a 3:2 120 Hz VRR display, it would be the perfect device, but otherwise, the Minisforum V3 is a much better device for around $930-950. It adds VRR display and 32GB of RAM, and a GPU that can actually do something... In fact, I think it corrects all your negatives (and more) for at least $150 less.
hi :) I have been messing around with Resolve and videography for a while. I have just recently purchased a new FX30 and will take it on a 2 weeks safari completely off the grid to Botswana. Im looking for a light and portable windows tablet to take with me. Use certain mapping apps, some media, some light lightroom, and some Resolve. I dont plan on editing the whole trip there, but more so to organize my files, some rough cutting and maybe some light color correction on the evenings. I cant decide if I should buy this guy or get the surface 11 pro OLED with the ELITE. Where I am, if I shop around, I can actually get the Surface cheaper. I am pretty set on ARM since Im mostly off the grid and the battery life is very important. This TAB also appeals to me with the added benefit of the durability. What would you do in my case? Thank you!!!!
I am looking for a new convertible. The back cover of the PZ13 seems very heavy. My 5-year-old 13" ThinkPad X1 Tablet gen 3 weights 1280g including keyboard (900g tablet with stand, 380g keyboard).
Agree. Kind of blows it out of comfortable travel weight. I'm sure you can get a lighter solution with a generic stand or maybe a future 3rd party option.
Good review as always, i was wordering why can't manufactuers put the pen inside the detachable keyboard? Is it becouse microsoft owns the pattent or something?
I like the Pro 11 but Qualcomm is back to gimping SKUs again. The GPU having less than half the performance of the 10-core X1P is mindbogglingly dumb, you can't game at all on this variant and it might struggle with high resolution external displays. The Surface Pro 11 X1P model with a Signature type cover and Surface Slim pen go for around $1200. That's only $100 more for much better performance than the Asus PZ13.
I know we all have our priorities, but now that I have an iPhone 15 I don't use headphones with jacks anymore on my mobile devices, or even really on anything else than one of my computers, so I don't feel like missing out on this is too big, especially since we get a full-size SD card, which is far more important. I'm wondering about something though, in your cons you said RAM was not upgradeable, but I don't remember if you addressed SSD at all. Should we understand that this was upgradeable? Sorry if you addressed it in the video.
The Minisforum V3 has both a full-sized SD card slot and a headphone jack, an AMD CPU so no compatability issues, and 32 GB of RAM for the same $1099 price as this. And while the screen isn't OLED, it's still 165 hz and QHD+ and can be used as an external display. I have the V3 and I really like it apart from the very hard to get to M.2 2280 SSD. I do wonder if this device has it slotted. If not and its soldered, then I wouldn't recommend it over the Surface Pro 11.
@@cameronbosch1213 I've looked at it earlier today and, while you're right they're close, the Minisforum is a bit more expensive than that, and that was the 16GB SKU. Still, I admit I'm interested in finding out more about it, including if it ships to Canada.
@apricanephoto Oh right, that may have been a long sale price ($1100). That's what I got my model at. But yeah, for a company known mainly for mini desktops, it's really good. If it just had a bit better battery life and an easier to access SSD (it's M.2 2280 and slotted but extremely difficult to access without breaking something), it would be perfect. Heck, it even runs Linux pretty well, unlike Surface devices, which need a special kernel or external modules for the cameras and a few other things to work, and since it uses x86-64 unlike this Asus tablet and the Surface Pro 11.
@@cameronbosch1213 I've looked at a number of review of the V3 and, despite their low quality, my main takeaway is that it isn't that good at gaming (worse than my current laptop), isn't thinner or lighter than the PZ13, and as you say the battery life is much worse. My current outlook is that perhaps I should be hanging on to my current laptop longer, and see how Windows ARM shapes up.
@@apricanephoto Actually, battery life is on par with a lot of other x86-64 tablets in my experience (on Linux though, not Windows 11). Granted, most x86 tablets don't have good battery life to begin with. It is actually decent at gaming as long as you turn down the settings and/or resolution. And you get the ability to use the tablet as an external screen. I can't think of many other Windows tablets that let you do that at the moment...
oh god , almost perfect for me, but no headphone jack is dealbreaker for me, i hate wireless headphones also the flappy thingy over the sd card slot can it be closed with sdcard inserted?
Lunar Lake demos (until proven) looks to be destroying the why we need snapdragon. Battery claims is longer running, faster cpu, better gpu, no app compatibility issues. Can’t wait to see the reviews you will do on Lunar Lake laptops!
It's a bit more complicated than that sadly. No one uses a laptop for 18 hrs on the battery in a single stretch, which is what most battery tests do. The more important factor is how the devices handle standby. If I shut down the lid and come back to the machine a day later, will I find my battery drained by 25%? Here's where the Snapdragon acts like Apple Silicon and other ARM devices where you could leave it on standby for days and continue without a drop in the battery level. Until Microsoft fixes modern standby on x86, there's little AMD and Intel can do to fix this issue.
Not clear why you compared the PZ13 with Snapdragon X Plus to the Microsoft Surface Pro 11 with Snapdragon Elite. Wouldn't be more fair to compare the PZ13 X Plus to the Surface Pro 11 with their Snapdragon Plus? That brings the price of the base Surface Pro down to $999... a hundred bucks less than the PZ13! If you add in the older Surface Pro Keyboard (not the newer Flex version), you're at $1,168... only $69 more (albeit much less SSD storage). I'm a bit confused by your scoring system at the end. I would go along with the 9 out of 10 on Design and even the 10/10 on hardware, but 9 on the pointing device? What pointing device? ASUS doesn't include a stylus or a mouse! Are you referring to the trackpad (which you critiqued as non-haptic)? The pointing device category should have been a 0 out of 10. For performance, you assigned the PZ13 an 8/10. Why? The installed snapdragon version is the slowest, least powerful SoC offered by Qualcomm. The Geekbench scores were anemic at best as compared to, well... everything. I was really looking forward to this device, but the poor performance, lack of a stylus and 60hz display relegate the device to web browsing, videos and basic office work only. In short, I can do almost everything this device will do on an M1 powered iPad and an inexpensive Logitech keyboard. At twenty hours of battery life, I can see good value in the PZ13 as a business or pleasure travel companion, but for ASUS to put this in their "ProArt" lineup is almost laughable.
new ryzen hx 370 and new intel cpu looks much much better than this snapdragon. NPU still almost unusable for LLM AI, microsoft AI recall - I will place ban on this "feature" from start and never will looking for NPU for it. All specs of this new "proart" looks not good for me - it very small, not 4k, no numpad, no egpu support, 16gb(?!!!), 60hz display. Looks this notebook created as concept only, but not for real use.
Yesss, I was really waiting for this review. Thanks you!
Okay pc. Camera and mics and sound are good. Screen display is good. One will always run into software compatability issues with this even though this will improve over time some people will encounter issues from time to time. Great review.
The downer about these devices running the Snapdragon CPU is that they all have compatibility issues when running certain apps and the graphics performance is rather weak in comparison to Intel. Obviously if you stick to the basics as Andrew noted with Microsoft Office and email web browsing, then you'll be good to go. For $1099.99 however, there are things to like about the ASUS ProArt PZ13 like the battery life which is fantastic, the 3K display even though the refresh rate is only 60Hz, great webcam quality and internal mic audio and the speakers are also impressive. This is not a perfect device but it does have its honorable mentions. Great thorough video once again Andrew!!
Dear Andrew, adore you’re videos. I don’t understand the terminology very well cores, threads etc. However, you’re videos have made me want a Lenovo. 7pro, 7i, 7x. Etc. Would love some kind of explanation in some kind of head to head one day. Thanks for enlightening everyone out here 👍
Greetings from Sofia | Bulgaria, Andrew ! :)
honestly, instead of being scared of butchering their own sales, just make 1 model or 2 models, theyve got bunch of series and it is ridiculous. Now they release an amazing laptop with a 60hz display, bro everyone's phone runs at at least 90hz these days? It is gonna feel much more unresponsive because of that. They should just have a Zenbook 14/16, an ROG 14/16 and some business model and make them all configurable for the RAM. Ditch all the others like Vivobook and make it cheaper. What a mess. The normal ProArt devices are literally the same as ROG lol.. Thanks for the review Andrew
Thank you. A great review. ❤I like the webcam. Very smooth. I also like you test the display against PWM flicker. I'm OLED flicker sensitive and this info means to me!
Good one. That's fast to see lower end CPU and getting cheaper as Qualcomm was saying. Expecting even more cheaper laptops from non pro line.
However we are yet to see how the Intel low power variants perform. Graphics miss on Snapdragon is not deal breaker but it's a big miss :(
At this price it’s a steal 👌👍
Dropped the ball with 60Hz
Not really, it would be a couple hundred more dollars to have a display of this quality with touch with 120hz or so. Not everything is about specs, it's also about value and target market.
@@AberusugiMinisforum managed to do it for $150 less, with double the RAM and a real GPU. This device, as is, is a total rip off! Wouldn't pay a penny over $700 for it. This will easily be selling for $800 in 6 months or less...
It is sold in India for almost $1700 US dollars. It is a much costlier option when most apps run on emulator mode. High pricing will have low acceptance and thereby forcing developers to ignore the platform for now.
Nice leather jacket. I need one of those.
🔥🔥🔥
Nice review! BestBuy version does not come with the backpack though
Thanks for the info!
lunarlake released, very fast gpu,h266 decode,pcie5 ssd,energy saving like snapdragon x. chip on TSMC.
I was surprised by the camera and mic test, but 60 Hz is a big fail in this price range. This should not sell for more than $700. At $800, with a 3:2 120 Hz VRR display, it would be the perfect device, but otherwise, the Minisforum V3 is a much better device for around $930-950. It adds VRR display and 32GB of RAM, and a GPU that can actually do something... In fact, I think it corrects all your negatives (and more) for at least $150 less.
hi :)
I have been messing around with Resolve and videography for a while. I have just recently purchased a new FX30 and will take it on a 2 weeks safari completely off the grid to Botswana. Im looking for a light and portable windows tablet to take with me. Use certain mapping apps, some media, some light lightroom, and some Resolve. I dont plan on editing the whole trip there, but more so to organize my files, some rough cutting and maybe some light color correction on the evenings.
I cant decide if I should buy this guy or get the surface 11 pro OLED with the ELITE. Where I am, if I shop around, I can actually get the Surface cheaper.
I am pretty set on ARM since Im mostly off the grid and the battery life is very important. This TAB also appeals to me with the added benefit of the durability.
What would you do in my case?
Thank you!!!!
I am looking for a new convertible. The back cover of the PZ13 seems very heavy.
My 5-year-old 13" ThinkPad X1 Tablet gen 3 weights 1280g including keyboard (900g tablet with stand, 380g keyboard).
Agree. Kind of blows it out of comfortable travel weight. I'm sure you can get a lighter solution with a generic stand or maybe a future 3rd party option.
Good review as always, i was wordering why can't manufactuers put the pen inside the detachable keyboard? Is it becouse microsoft owns the pattent or something?
amazing video. maybe surface pro 12 and lunar lake? omg!!!!
waiting for next year if they will add at least 90 hz display or more ( it should be 144hz adaptive tbh)
I I know it's probably impossible but this thing with lunar lake would be perfect
Not having the kickstand built in is always such a stupid choice with these Surface clones.
Dio you still have the surface pro 11? If so, is this as loud as that in terms of speakers?
Hey Andrew, can you tell when we can see Lunar lake laptops reviews from you? got any communication from OEMS?
Yes, stay tuned
60hz shouldn't be a thing in 2024
Now the question: Surface pro or asus pz ? Thanks
I like the Pro 11 but Qualcomm is back to gimping SKUs again. The GPU having less than half the performance of the 10-core X1P is mindbogglingly dumb, you can't game at all on this variant and it might struggle with high resolution external displays.
The Surface Pro 11 X1P model with a Signature type cover and Surface Slim pen go for around $1200. That's only $100 more for much better performance than the Asus PZ13.
I know we all have our priorities, but now that I have an iPhone 15 I don't use headphones with jacks anymore on my mobile devices, or even really on anything else than one of my computers, so I don't feel like missing out on this is too big, especially since we get a full-size SD card, which is far more important.
I'm wondering about something though, in your cons you said RAM was not upgradeable, but I don't remember if you addressed SSD at all. Should we understand that this was upgradeable? Sorry if you addressed it in the video.
The Minisforum V3 has both a full-sized SD card slot and a headphone jack, an AMD CPU so no compatability issues, and 32 GB of RAM for the same $1099 price as this. And while the screen isn't OLED, it's still 165 hz and QHD+ and can be used as an external display. I have the V3 and I really like it apart from the very hard to get to M.2 2280 SSD. I do wonder if this device has it slotted. If not and its soldered, then I wouldn't recommend it over the Surface Pro 11.
@@cameronbosch1213 I've looked at it earlier today and, while you're right they're close, the Minisforum is a bit more expensive than that, and that was the 16GB SKU.
Still, I admit I'm interested in finding out more about it, including if it ships to Canada.
@apricanephoto Oh right, that may have been a long sale price ($1100). That's what I got my model at.
But yeah, for a company known mainly for mini desktops, it's really good. If it just had a bit better battery life and an easier to access SSD (it's M.2 2280 and slotted but extremely difficult to access without breaking something), it would be perfect.
Heck, it even runs Linux pretty well, unlike Surface devices, which need a special kernel or external modules for the cameras and a few other things to work, and since it uses x86-64 unlike this Asus tablet and the Surface Pro 11.
@@cameronbosch1213 I've looked at a number of review of the V3 and, despite their low quality, my main takeaway is that it isn't that good at gaming (worse than my current laptop), isn't thinner or lighter than the PZ13, and as you say the battery life is much worse.
My current outlook is that perhaps I should be hanging on to my current laptop longer, and see how Windows ARM shapes up.
@@apricanephoto Actually, battery life is on par with a lot of other x86-64 tablets in my experience (on Linux though, not Windows 11). Granted, most x86 tablets don't have good battery life to begin with.
It is actually decent at gaming as long as you turn down the settings and/or resolution.
And you get the ability to use the tablet as an external screen. I can't think of many other Windows tablets that let you do that at the moment...
oh god , almost perfect for me, but no headphone jack is dealbreaker for me, i hate wireless headphones
also the flappy thingy over the sd card slot can it be closed with sdcard inserted?
At least the jack can be be solved easily with a $5 small adapter or even better yet, one with HD DAC audio. My audiophile friend swears by them.
Is this coming to Amazon? Or only Best Buy? I have Amazon gift cards to use 😅
Hopefully soon.
I still prefere the more expensive SP
Can you swap the ssd?
The microphone it not so good , your voice sound totally different. Regards from Chile
Great review!!
@@felipecarrasco8093 Because he has turned on AI noise reduction, which will cause vocal distortion.
In the Netherlands: € 1.599,00 incl VAT ... so about 1750 USD ... brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Lunar Lake demos (until proven) looks to be destroying the why we need snapdragon. Battery claims is longer running, faster cpu, better gpu, no app compatibility issues. Can’t wait to see the reviews you will do on Lunar Lake laptops!
It's a bit more complicated than that sadly. No one uses a laptop for 18 hrs on the battery in a single stretch, which is what most battery tests do.
The more important factor is how the devices handle standby. If I shut down the lid and come back to the machine a day later, will I find my battery drained by 25%? Here's where the Snapdragon acts like Apple Silicon and other ARM devices where you could leave it on standby for days and continue without a drop in the battery level.
Until Microsoft fixes modern standby on x86, there's little AMD and Intel can do to fix this issue.
they call this Pro art?
Same model is 1599 euros here in Europe ! ...absolute rip-off - thanks for nothing Asus!
Not clear why you compared the PZ13 with Snapdragon X Plus to the Microsoft Surface Pro 11 with Snapdragon Elite. Wouldn't be more fair to compare the PZ13 X Plus to the Surface Pro 11 with their Snapdragon Plus? That brings the price of the base Surface Pro down to $999... a hundred bucks less than the PZ13! If you add in the older Surface Pro Keyboard (not the newer Flex version), you're at $1,168... only $69 more (albeit much less SSD storage).
I'm a bit confused by your scoring system at the end. I would go along with the 9 out of 10 on Design and even the 10/10 on hardware, but 9 on the pointing device? What pointing device? ASUS doesn't include a stylus or a mouse! Are you referring to the trackpad (which you critiqued as non-haptic)? The pointing device category should have been a 0 out of 10.
For performance, you assigned the PZ13 an 8/10. Why? The installed snapdragon version is the slowest, least powerful SoC offered by Qualcomm. The Geekbench scores were anemic at best as compared to, well... everything. I was really looking forward to this device, but the poor performance, lack of a stylus and 60hz display relegate the device to web browsing, videos and basic office work only. In short, I can do almost everything this device will do on an M1 powered iPad and an inexpensive Logitech keyboard.
At twenty hours of battery life, I can see good value in the PZ13 as a business or pleasure travel companion, but for ASUS to put this in their "ProArt" lineup is almost laughable.
60hz? nah dog
Mac gives 180HZ 😂
new ryzen hx 370 and new intel cpu looks much much better than this snapdragon. NPU still almost unusable for LLM AI, microsoft AI recall - I will place ban on this "feature" from start and never will looking for NPU for it. All specs of this new "proart" looks not good for me - it very small, not 4k, no numpad, no egpu support, 16gb(?!!!), 60hz display. Looks this notebook created as concept only, but not for real use.
60hz 🤣