This is an amazing project. Your videos always inspire me to move my expectations higher. Your welding tips are very helpful. Your ability to go from welding on broken logging equipment in mud up to your ears to fabricating this Derrick are proof that an individual is only limited by himself. Thanks for sharing
Hey CB, that came out pretty good . the platform looks really stable. It should make painting the shop a breeze. I would recommend tying your self off. We older guys don't bounce so good anymore😁
I've spent years tied off...it's too cumbersome...years as a union ironworker and decades climbing drilling rig derricks on well sites tied off...I'll do it when I think I need to but not always
Really wish I could afford the time to include it all...maybe someday if UA-cam would help a little more paying for my groceries and dog food I could put more time into it but I just can't at this time...sorry
If you bring the winch down to the bottom of your unit you could have more control of your cable balling up. Mount it at the bottom and run the cable to the top in a controlled manner and then use a snatch block at the top with whatever type of support you want to use. You can use the extra cable that you were going to remove and you can watch how the cable is wrapping and make your battery control closer to the power source. I hope your system works out. Thanks Randy Smith Boonville Mo
If you put the winch at the bottom you gotta add a huge weight to the hook to offset the weight of the cable that runs up the derrick or the cable won't come down when it's unloaded...I don't want to add weight I want to lift weight
I would always keep the derrick 1 0r 2 degrees forward of vertical to allow the ratchet strap to act as a safety. Once the derrick is tilted towards the tractor the strap no longer takes any strain from the forks or jack stands..
Nice job. After all your time and effort to build this attachment you will find other jobs that it will assist you with. We all know a100# of plywood/lumber , bundle of shingles, pipe , ect. is no big deal until it is needed 15 to 20 feet in the air.
You could mount the winch at the base and use a pulley at the top. Also, get a climbing harness and put a connector for a rope at the top so you can climb the ladder and use 2 hands free. Lastly, mention that you look for power lines before and durning the job. Looks like a great success. Very cool!
If the winch is at the bottom you gotta add a huge weight to the hook to offset the 25 feet of cable that runs up the derrick...otherwise the weight of the cable would prevent the hook from coming down when there is no load connected I don't want to add weight...I want to lift stuff
Interesting idea young man. I would have gone for a triple lattice style derek coming to a point and on that point a pulley. Keep the winch low down near the loader mount and run a cable up, over and down the front. The other issue is the tractor, its too small.
I used it on Sunday and it worked great. If you mount the winch at the bottom and run the cable up then you gotta add weight to the hook to offset the weight of the cable running up the derrick, I don't want to add weight for nothing when the goal is to lift as much as is possible. The reason for the parallel pipes is to later be used like a track that a chair will slide up and down of for me to sit in and paint my building, tapering at the top wouldn't work well for that.
The side to side sway could be minimized with a couple of diagonal braces added to the horizontal ladder brace. With a climbing harness you could add a 1 square foot fold down platform near the top and have a hands free work platform where you can turn 360 degrees and have both hands free.
I like the sway...it needs to flex...wouldn't want it stiffer The sway will absorb any unexpected side loads that would flip the tractor if the derrick is too stiff If it needs to be stiffer than it is then I'd say your doing more load than it will handle
Looks good! I think might add gussets at the top and bottom of the mast though, to keep it from match-boxing. That platform is mighty wide and will add side load. Good job!
Gussets would stiffin it but I don't want it stiffer...the flex is important to absorb unexpected side loads without flippin my tractor...it's as stiff as I want it to be
34:45 CB, fyi a regular 2 or 3 rung adjustable aluminum *ladder jack* will work on your derrick rebar 'rung' setup cause extension ladders are 1 foot rung spacing too. You can get the 2 rung versions at home Depot or lowes but the larger, stronger, more commercial type of 3 rung ladder jacks are available at like ABC Supply or something commercial like that that carries roofing\siding supplies etc. Not all of them adjust all the way to 90° because they're designed to be used on an tilted extension ladder with an expandable plank or 'scadfolding' -aluminum plank ('pic') like you see used on siding, painting & roofing jobs. I like your lifting apparatus setup here and I know it will work well for you & your sign lifting purpose. One more thing is to be careful with that bobcat style 'quick-connect' connector, especially with 20+ feet of extra leverage on it trying to pull it apart! I've seen them come apart at the top & have buckets fall right off, granted its usually on worn, well-used equipment thats not taken the best care of, but as you noticed they aren't the most secure attachments. I see you added the ratchet strap but i don't know if thats the most secure so just becareful with the connection cause its sloppy and youre adding ALOT of leverage! Anywys carry on & we'll be waiting to see you put this to use on the sign install!👍🏻👌🏻🛠️🔧🔩🦺🏗️⛓️ ✊🏻🇺🇲🦅🇺🇲✊🏻
I added steel to the top to prevent the connector from slipping out and I drilled holes through the tractor & connector at the bottom and put two grade 8 bolts through it...I thought I shot video of those upgrades but I can't find it. Thanks for watching and commenting
The A-frame derrick is the strongest per pound, due to the crossmembers getting shorter going up, thus saving weight. Also, the triangle is much stronger against racking than a rectangle, and the weakness in the top member attachment to the hoist is magnified in the center. A-frame eliminates this, thus winch is connected directly to the strongest members, the side pipes. just saying.. I've built these for my 8N's. thank you
With that being a giant rectangle, the only thing you should have to worry about is it twisting ,another thing to worry about is if it gets too heavy, it might kink itself right in the middle and collapse
I would hesitate to make a work platform more than 1 or 2 feet from the center of the derrick. The torque of you body weight 6 feet off center would be worrisome. I would have several attachments at the center of the sign and then use a separate ladder to work farther out.
Used it yesterday...worked quite a bit out on the very edge 6' out from center...no problem...video will be up on that soon as I get it ready Stay tuned
Well to answer your question on your thumbnail where you asked brilliant or crazy I have to say this sometimes to be brilliant you have to be crazy because nothing truly brilliant ever came from a sane person you're a genius CB
I could have sworn that I heard an OSHA inspector having an aneurysm the other day! Now I know why….🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 But hey, looks like it will serve your purposes! Nice work CB!!👍
@NBSWELDING that's the thing eh people think things weigh more than they do and make things way to heavy. This has given me an idea for something I need here at my shop. I want a light lift on my 4 wheeler. Not a man lift but a light lift for assembling my gantry crane.
D-ring. Works good. As long as you’re working on small jobs (NOT Commercial jobs), you’ll be fine. I don’t think you’d be able to bring that anywhere near a big commercial job site due to lack of certifications on the equipment. But, I realize that you probably only have little, one-off jobs for private customers in mind.
This is an amazing project. Your videos always inspire me to move my expectations higher. Your welding tips are very helpful. Your ability to go from welding on broken logging equipment in mud up to your ears to fabricating this Derrick are proof that an individual is only limited by himself. Thanks for sharing
Right on
Son you got it going on with that set up. Thanks for taking us along. My favorite part
“Hey y’all, watch this
shi-!!” Classic.
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Nice work CB 👍
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Hey CB, that came out pretty good . the platform looks really stable. It should make painting the shop a breeze. I would recommend tying your self off. We older guys don't bounce so good anymore😁
I've spent years tied off...it's too cumbersome...years as a union ironworker and decades climbing drilling rig derricks on well sites tied off...I'll do it when I think I need to but not always
@@NBSWELDING👍🏻👌🏻 I agree, it does just get in the way & cause more issues having it be in your way or too restrictive to do anything. Been doing roofing for close to 30 years never fell off a roof ever & very rarely do I wear a harness up there - if I do I'm not on the rope anyways(just doing it in case the 4 letter govt agency comes around -lol). Ropes getting caught on ever single nail or shingle edge around and causing huge trip\ankle-rollover hazards up there. Watching the hoses is hard enough as it is, let alone having multiple big 1" ropes dragging behind 7 or 10 guys on a roof. Talk about a big tangled mess, cluster f_©k.... 3 -4 hoses+8 -10 ropes All over the roof! Tell me how that is 'safe'!? 😅🤦🏻♂️🤔👍🏻👌🏻🛠️🔧🔩
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Gives me an idea. Thanks for the videos. Nicely done.
Thanks for watching
Appreciate you sharing your thought as you go through your design-build-test.
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Impressive. I would not have guessed that platform would have been as steady as it turned out. Looks like a real money maker in the future. Nice work.
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Great job. I have to admit I had my doubts at first.
Me too...but I used it yesterday and it worked...stay tuned
CB, respect the thought and reasoning employed throughout the testing.
Thank you
CB, when I do stuff like that I always fill my backhoe bucket with a load of dirt for extra ballast.
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I would enjoy watching more of your doozins fabricating too.
Really wish I could afford the time to include it all...maybe someday if UA-cam would help a little more paying for my groceries and dog food I could put more time into it but I just can't at this time...sorry
If you bring the winch down to the bottom of your unit you could have more control of your cable balling up.
Mount it at the bottom and run the cable to the top in a controlled manner and then use a snatch block at the top with whatever type of support you want to use.
You can use the extra cable that you were going to remove and you can watch how the cable is wrapping and make your battery control closer to the power source.
I hope your system works out.
Thanks Randy Smith Boonville Mo
If you put the winch at the bottom you gotta add a huge weight to the hook to offset the weight of the cable that runs up the derrick or the cable won't come down when it's unloaded...I don't want to add weight I want to lift weight
Beautiful Derek.
Many thanks!
@@NBSWELDING please use a harness.
I would always keep the derrick 1 0r 2 degrees forward of vertical to allow the ratchet strap to act as a safety. Once the derrick is tilted towards the tractor the strap no longer takes any strain from the forks or jack stands..
Your right
Nice job. After all your time and effort to build this attachment you will find other jobs that it will assist you with. We all know a100# of plywood/lumber , bundle of shingles, pipe , ect. is no big deal until it is needed 15 to 20 feet in the air.
You know it
Should serve you well. Thanks for sharing👍
You bet
Amazing big time savings on boom truck rental
Cheers from Nova Scotia
Glad you liked it!
You could mount the winch at the base and use a pulley at the top. Also, get a climbing harness and put a connector for a rope at the top so you can climb the ladder and use 2 hands free. Lastly, mention that you look for power lines before and durning the job. Looks like a great success. Very cool!
If the winch is at the bottom you gotta add a huge weight to the hook to offset the 25 feet of cable that runs up the derrick...otherwise the weight of the cable would prevent the hook from coming down when there is no load connected
I don't want to add weight...I want to lift stuff
@@NBSWELDING good point
Like your thinking
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Cool idea! 👍👍👍
Thanks!
Interesting idea young man. I would have gone for a triple lattice style derek coming to a point and on that point a pulley. Keep the winch low down near the loader mount and run a cable up, over and down the front. The other issue is the tractor, its too small.
I used it on Sunday and it worked great. If you mount the winch at the bottom and run the cable up then you gotta add weight to the hook to offset the weight of the cable running up the derrick, I don't want to add weight for nothing when the goal is to lift as much as is possible.
The reason for the parallel pipes is to later be used like a track that a chair will slide up and down of for me to sit in and paint my building, tapering at the top wouldn't work well for that.
Stay tuned for the video of the install I did with this rig...it will be up soon
The side to side sway could be minimized with a couple of diagonal braces added to the horizontal ladder brace. With a climbing harness you could add a 1 square foot fold down platform near the top and have a hands free work platform where you can turn 360 degrees and have both hands free.
I like the sway...it needs to flex...wouldn't want it stiffer
The sway will absorb any unexpected side loads that would flip the tractor if the derrick is too stiff
If it needs to be stiffer than it is then I'd say your doing more load than it will handle
Looks good!
I think might add gussets at the top and bottom of the mast though, to keep it from match-boxing. That platform is mighty wide and will add side load. Good job!
Gussets would stiffin it but I don't want it stiffer...the flex is important to absorb unexpected side loads without flippin my tractor...it's as stiff as I want it to be
@@NBSWELDING Understood.
To save weight on ladder maybe attach aluminum ladder to derrick and skip the rebar ladder rungs.
The rebar is the only thing holding it together
You’re a very good fabricator, well thought out design, I’m assuming your not a mechanical engineer, you’d make a good one. Thanks for the video.
All the engineers I've worked around want to build things 10 times stronger than they need to be...I just try stuff and see what works
Excellent
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34:45 CB, fyi a regular 2 or 3 rung adjustable aluminum *ladder jack* will work on your derrick rebar 'rung' setup cause extension ladders are 1 foot rung spacing too. You can get the 2 rung versions at home Depot or lowes but the larger, stronger, more commercial type of 3 rung ladder jacks are available at like ABC Supply or something commercial like that that carries roofing\siding supplies etc. Not all of them adjust all the way to 90° because they're designed to be used on an tilted extension ladder with an expandable plank or 'scadfolding' -aluminum plank ('pic') like you see used on siding, painting & roofing jobs.
I like your lifting apparatus setup here and I know it will work well for you & your sign lifting purpose.
One more thing is to be careful with that bobcat style 'quick-connect' connector, especially with 20+ feet of extra leverage on it trying to pull it apart! I've seen them come apart at the top & have buckets fall right off, granted its usually on worn, well-used equipment thats not taken the best care of, but as you noticed they aren't the most secure attachments. I see you added the ratchet strap but i don't know if thats the most secure so just becareful with the connection cause its sloppy and youre adding ALOT of leverage!
Anywys carry on & we'll be waiting to see you put this to use on the sign install!👍🏻👌🏻🛠️🔧🔩🦺🏗️⛓️
✊🏻🇺🇲🦅🇺🇲✊🏻
I added steel to the top to prevent the connector from slipping out and I drilled holes through the tractor & connector at the bottom and put two grade 8 bolts through it...I thought I shot video of those upgrades but I can't find it.
Thanks for watching and commenting
Nice
Thanks
The A-frame derrick is the strongest per pound, due to the crossmembers getting shorter going up, thus saving weight. Also, the triangle is much stronger against racking than a rectangle, and the weakness in the top member attachment to the hoist is magnified in the center. A-frame eliminates this, thus winch is connected directly to the strongest members, the side pipes. just saying.. I've built these for my 8N's. thank you
With that being a giant rectangle, the only thing you should have to worry about is it twisting ,another thing to worry about is if it gets too heavy, it might kink itself right in the middle and collapse
It's plenty strong for what it's for
I used to hear "necessity is the mother of invention", but Im thinking now its CB! lol
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I would hesitate to make a work platform more than 1 or 2 feet from the center of the derrick. The torque of you body weight 6 feet off center would be worrisome. I would have several attachments at the center of the sign and then use a separate ladder to work farther out.
Used it yesterday...worked quite a bit out on the very edge 6' out from center...no problem...video will be up on that soon as I get it ready
Stay tuned
@@NBSWELDING very cool....can't wait to see it in action.
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Well to answer your question on your thumbnail where you asked brilliant or crazy I have to say this sometimes to be brilliant you have to be crazy because nothing truly brilliant ever came from a sane person you're a genius CB
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Need safety harness attached to the D-ring, maybe.
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Great video CB. Where can I get something showing weights of different tubes, pipes, angels, or channels per foot?
Guy wires from the top to each outrigger might help stability, I’m thinkin’. (2 straps.)
I think it's more than stable enough for what it is
@@NBSWELDING Remember, safety second.
I could have sworn that I heard an OSHA inspector having an aneurysm the other day! Now I know why….🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
But hey, looks like it will serve your purposes! Nice work CB!!👍
Thanks
The cable should come over the top of the winch drum
I never thought of that...it doesn't rub against anything so what's the advantage of it coming off of the other side?
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Thats cool ! How much did you say it could lift CB?
Dunno....max I've lifted so far is 350#
@NBSWELDING that's the thing eh people think things weigh more than they do and make things way to heavy. This has given me an idea for something I need here at my shop.
I want a light lift on my 4 wheeler. Not a man lift but a light lift for assembling my gantry crane.
Heyo CB, here to pay my dues for my views.
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Aluminum
No...not for this
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No prob, thanks for the education, learning alot here.
Your lifting capacity is very limited in that design.
Used it on Sunday...worked great
D-ring. Works good. As long as you’re working on small jobs (NOT Commercial jobs), you’ll be fine. I don’t think you’d be able to bring that anywhere near a big commercial job site due to lack of certifications on the equipment. But, I realize that you probably only have little, one-off jobs for private customers in mind.
Yep
Love the ingenuity. For a red-neck type you're ahead of about 90% of the folks. Keep on rockin. Let's Go Brandon!!
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