If they fakes can't be distinguished easily from a genuine rolex then why on earth is a genuine rolex so expensive? The genuine item is mass produced mostly by machine anyway?!!
Easy to make money when you are relying on someone else paying all your marketing costs, you don't have to employ designers and skilled watchmakers, and you can cut corners on materials, production & quality control....
Err, skilled watchmakers ha, you do realise that rolex are mass producted machine made watches. I don't know what you think a skilled watchmaker is, let me educate you gs are hand-built and hand polished for half the price of rolex, sorry to break it to you but rolex cost around 400pounds per watch to produce and the rest is marketing which they are brilliant at, rolex is more of a fashion brand for people who do not know any better, sorry 🙏
@@zivkovicableThe threat from super clones is that they are almost indistinguishable from a real one, so the ‘cut corners’ claim doesn’t stack up. And as for the skill of watchmaking - who makes the replica, fairies? Ironically they’re more skilful as they often have to reverse engineer and clone the parts to zero tolerance. I mean we can all stand back and belittle, by shouting ‘fake’ but their skill isn’t.
A Rolex is a mass manufactured watch made by machines on highly automated production lines and assembled on by semi-skilled workers.. They only cost a few hundred dollars to make. The material in Rolex are only worth a couple of dollars. eg The 'special' 440C steel is actually a cheap industrial grade product worth about 70 cents per kilo. A sapphire crystal costs about $1. If Rolex moved to China they could make exactly the same watches for well under $100 due to much lower labour costs,
@@3lisey That’s not true! You are uniformed with respect. They have multiple quality levels. The one I bought for my son from a local guy goes for $500. They start @ $300 online(much cheaper overseas if you know where to go) and they go up to $900-$1100 for Rolex.
@@3lisey I'm assuming you are speaking about the clone and not the real Rolex being "Overpriced shit" . A GMT Master II takes one year to make and is done essentially by hand. The gold used in the 2-tone or solids are procured by Rolex and foundered by Rolex. Everything is in-house and vetted to a meticulous standard. The fakes... well who cares. They are equivalent to worthless photocopies of beautiful pictures.
I bought my GMT M II from a grey market dealer in '16, before COVID craze. (only paid 6800 USD$ back then!!). I did my homework and "bought the dealer, not the watch". I felt fairly confident, but always had a nagging feeling in the back of my mind, did I get scammed? So, I brought it to a Rolex authorized service center for a regular service last February. I was quite relieved when they called back and said the watch was ready for pickup 4 weeks later. With a new 2-year warranty from Rolex. That confirmed to me that it was authentic, and I did not just blow thousands of $$'s of hard-earned money on a fake. You just never know.
This was definitely not a "super clone" it's just a high end rep, VERY surprising anyone thought that was real!!! I've seen MUCH better fakes here on youtube where the only thing that gives away the watch is the movement inside. Some of the fakes have much better more defined laser engravings than genuine Rolex too. I've seen videos of people thinking the REAL rolex is fake when compared to the fake one based of how detailed the laser etched crown at 6 is, and how clear the logo is on the clasp. Again, very surprising that any reputable watch dealer would fall for THIS fake, and I warn you there are MUCH better ones
It's pretty easy for you to tell a fake when you have all the genuine documents to compare to. But for the average person who does not have access to these, just tell them to check the balance wheel. Simple as that.
If the watch costs less then having a Rolex serviced.....Rolex has a real problem.... Also if you own a Rolex, ......Most assume it's a fake.....and watch geeks want to see your watch because they want it to be a fake, so they can tell you....
i know right! I'm all for the super clones! My friend recently bought from wristova that sells high-quality super clones, and i also ordered mine after looking at it, it was so hard to tell the difference which was real!!!
I'd tend to agree with you, but a lot of people will tell you that your money (even if it's only a grand or so) is going to fund illegal sweat shops in the Far East, which in turn are funding organised crime. That might not affect you personally, but it affects someone. Would you want that on your conscience?
@deadpool8340 he's right though. Super clones are quite literally 1:1. They even nail the colors but NOT the finish. Needs a microscope to find the difference, visually impossible to tell without opening up the back, and even then, the only piece thst sets the fakes apart from the real one is the balance bridge. And you can get a genuine Rolex balance bridge, install it in the super clone and it'll be damn near impossible to tell. Lots of these massive youtubers have gotten scammed by real super clones. These things will even use real gold, real diamonds, so it depends on what you're looking for
i have a vsf 41mm datejust and a real 41mm 2 tone. the average person cannot tell. when you actually wind the watch, and set the watch it's obvious, but other than that, it's incredibly difficult even side by side comparison
@appleman29 I live in Florida and go out at night on the beach and broadwalk and to the concerts, and although I've never had a problem, I know homeless people live on the beach. u see the same ones all the time. and I wore it a few times, but now where my pelagos 39 or jlc reverso when I'm concerned people i don't want will take an interest in my property. ultimately, I'm torn, I do feel some type of way about fake watches and think they take away from all the genuine and maybe that's why I don't where it as much and never around people I know. even when people who know me would think it's real because they know I have the money for real watches and own real watches, I wouldn't want to admit to people I know I gave a fake as well and bring into question my real watches
@@DC-si8xw To wear any fake for any reason is just ridiculous. Buy a genuine Seiko and wear it with pride. The watch is real, it looks good, it runs as good as a Rolex, and costs around 1/10th of a Rolex. You don't ever need to wear a fake Rolex, or any other fake for that matter.
Personally I never buy a Rolex from anyone but an AD. No offense to all honest watch dealers but the fake watch industry has achieved an incredible growth.
AD can’t see the difference anymore with the super clones. The one he is looking at isn’t a super clone. AND I’m hearing first hand stories that some ADs are taking out the original movements & replacing them with super clone movements. Buyer will never know until serviced.
For me the question is, if you took this watch, identical in every way BUT, it didn't say rolex on it. It wouldnt be a fake rolex, would you still want it, would you consider the quality commensurate with the price ?
Another good tell, is to hold it up to see if any light is showing through between the lugs & end links on the bracelet , real Rolex watches are incredibly tight with not the slightest gaps
Lineage, quality, exclusivity...like all luxury goods...Without the advent of the internet, you wouldn't even have an opinion on Rolex. You don't understand or value the lineage or history, and that is because the product was never intended for you...before the internet no one knew what anyone else had...Be dismissive with your mocking emoji, but a genuine Rolex means something to some people. Now with the interenet, you can put it in a nice "neat little box" because marketers and influencers have homogenized and pimped it out for you.. ~ Despite that; if someone gave you a Rolex, you would be singing a different tune.
@@JohnnyKraycope harder. My Rolex will outlive me and will be passed down to my daughter. Its purchase date is also the same month/ year as her birthday. Rolex clones are just that. Fake, replicas that hold zero value. My Rolex is a lifetime achievement that I earned and love.
A friend living in Philippines has an authentic Subdate and a super clone Subdate. I could not see any difference. He had me wind the authentic then the clone. Winding that clone was immediately easy to tell a poorly made movement. In fact I would have been very suspicious if had no comparison it was that bad.
What this shows is that: 1. You need to be a pro to spot one fake Rolex from another one that’s real. 2. There’s a lot of fake Rolex’s out there. A lot. 3. If a Rolex sold for $100, nobody would want one. What does this tell you about their real value?
Been watching your videos for a while now and was inspired to start a collection. Started with the amzwatch, its specs for price and clean looks, now am looking for a dress watch to add.
Picked up a MaMaCoo 's watch as my first watch last month and I’m absolutely in love with it. Perfect size, looks elegant, very comfortable. Now my only problem is holding off from buying more watches so quickly!
Great video, thank you! I think it seems a lot easier to tell the difference when you have both authentic and *amzwatch* side by side and can put both of them under a macro lens but sadly it would be a different story if you just handed the replica to pretty much anyone and asked their opinion. Unless an AD has the caseback removed and checked by their watch maker it would probably fool them as well. It probably won't be long before they are able to duplicate the look of the hairspring as well.
This ain’t a super clone, just a poor replica that can be spotted a mile away. There are loads of super clones out there, only verified by removing the case back and inspecting the movement. Sadly many non authorised dealers don’t check this.
The counterfeiters have been making replica Rolex movements for years. It is well know they can already fool most of the 'experts'. The best super clones need to be sent to the factory for verification.
@@swisstimepieces the engraved rehaut has only been used since the mid 2000s. So not that old. I’ve also seen loads with poor magnification on the date window and poor bezel alignment. Rolexes having perfect QC is a myth. Also that isn’t a super clone in the video
It doesn't matter how old are they, there are many Rolex that aren't perfect, people think that Rolex are always perfect but they are not. There are many forums that discuss about these issues.
I'm 100% with you on that, I've been on several waiting lists for more than five years for a Submariner with not even a call back, and I will not pay over retail for it.
@swisstimepieces My apologies,to be honest I didn't realise they were that hard to get,I suppose its because Rolex are more in the spotlight for the general public
Will these problems occur if these bags are used daily? I just purchased a metis clutch in monogrammed canvas from the Kusama collection. I love the colorful polka dots and hope they don’t melt on me, haha. But I don't think it will be in my regular rotation. I also have a NoeNoe in the DA but only use it a few times a year in the spring and summer so I don't put much wear and tear on it. I hope I don't see wear and tear for a while. Plus, I'm saving up niceshopx . Have any of your colleagues experienced the same problem with this size? I don't mind the shape being a little more relaxed, but I also don't want it to turn into a puddle. Thanks for the video!
Exactly why he needs to not give away what we know. Which,he really hasnt,this is for the regular customer to be aware,we will break out a microscope and if isn't really it's actually a pretty fast process.
The clone designers all have real Rolex watches to copy. They don't need to take notes. Any 'mistakes' are deliberate. So they can sell you a new 'improved' super clone (with different flaws).
@swisstimepieces if someone has the money to buy one then better they get it checked by a professional than watch your video..... but for your average man on the street who encounters more fakes that's all they need to know, raised glass, poor winding system and look at the seconds hand ;-)
Put it in a pot of boiling water with a Vostok Amphibia for half an hour. When you take the watches out if only the Vostok is still working the other watch is NOT a Rolex.
I hope he gets his money back, that's a tough lesson to learn. Like with most things in life, if it seems too good to be true it usually is. Rather pay a bit extra and buy from a trusted dealer to have peace of mind. And the same goes for selling, better to sell to a dealer that pays straight into your account before you've left the premises and receive a bit less than try to maximise every last penny selling to a private person and then end up getting scammed for the whole lot.
Just check the balance bridge. Real rolex is free sprung. To expensive to copy that. Fake has adjustment sliders. (2 antennas) also the little screws must be on the inside of the balance wheel otherwise it is not free sprung. Directly go check the balance. i have seen real Rolex cases and dials with fake movements so biggest advice is check the balance bridge. No need to check other features.
@@pauldavies917 no need for headlock or microscope. If you need this you don’t know your watches. If you buy from regular person you still need to verify. So screw of case back and check balance bridge. It is clearly visible with the naked eye. Original is free sprung balance with little screws on the inside of the balance.
Unfortunately I’m someone who fell for a scam on a watch was buying a datejust 36mm, good price as it did need a service I paid 2.5k the watch came with authentic box and even paperwork the booklet card everything was authentic from what the jeweller I went to get it serviced at told me, his technician even showed me how he knew the box and paperwork was okay, but he said upon opening the watch it was when he seen it wasn’t genuine it just didn’t look correct and was missing the Rolex branding, the date wheel had running on some of the numbers he said 28 and 31 were blurry, the serial number on the watch case didn’t match the paperwork, and the movement itself felt cheap although it looked authentic, his words, so he declared id been scammed, I got my money back luckily but still it was brutal
They sell every watch they get. The problem is the people they sell them too and the fact they immediately re sell to the grey market dealers for a profit.
It is harmless if you intend to keep it and never intend to pay for the real item. You aren't trying to cheat someone and you aren't harming Rolex's sales if you never intend to buy. But you will have a fake with a shitty movement. that will have piss poor accuracy and no warranty. For the price of a 'good' clone you can buy a genuine watch that actually is good and will have a warranty. I don't see any valid reason for buying a clone - they may look good, but most really aren't, and when it needs a service you are better off throwing the watch.
@philjones352 you support a company that is stealing anothers IP and sells products that scammers pass off as real. Buying counterfeit is never harmless
@@paulhopkins1905 Read my comment again - anyone who buys to KEEP isn't going to try to pass it on as real, and if they don't intend to ever buy a real item Rolex haven't lost a sale - I don't see any harm to anyone except the person buying a fake as they are buying a watch with shit internals. I don't understand why you get the impression my opinion that a clone watch will be shit and unreliable means I am supporting the clone industry. Personally I wouldn't touch a clone with a 50 foot pole, but each to their own and all that.
@philjones352 Read my comment, you are still supporting counterfeiters that are actively stealing IP from another company. Buying counterfeit 100% hurts the company being ripped off, as well as people that get scammed by counterfeits, regardless of what you do with it
@@paulhopkins1905 I read it again. You're still ignoring that anyone who does buy to keep isn't harming anyone except their own bank balance. Your insistence they are harming anyone is nonsense. People do get scammed with fakes, but not by people than don't sell.
There aren’t many ‘obvious signs’ anymore on the best clones. Even the movements inside them are giving Rolex dealers headaches! The details are insane.
The white hand tag is easily replicated, even with the white tag it can be a super clone. Always have the warranty card & watch inspected by a reputable retailer 😊. A white swing tag is usually only handy when buying a precious metal piece like a John Mayer and you want to check the dial code matches the green dial.
@@swisstimepieces I agree that white hang tag doesn’t authenticate the watch, but at least giving me additional peace of mind. Especially when the watch comes with some unique dial. Personally I haven’t seen a replica with the white tag. Have you?
@@cookingwithwatches definitely! I have still found UK ADs keeping the white swing tag too which baffles me. I have seen one superclone with a white tag before but the text & print was blatantly wrong.
I will stick with my 1979 Tudor watch passed down from my pop. And his 1949 18 karat gold longines watch I wear them special occasions. My favorite everyday watch is my 690.00 Steinhart Swiss made from a German own company. The price point not too bad from 490 to little over 1000 bucks. I like Tudor because made real well and I believe they are related to Rolex. Put my two older watches my father left me are beautiful and love the older vintage watches. But I was very surprised about the steinhardt for the price point good quality Swiss watch.
I have a superclone BATMAN and took it to a jeweler who said that without opening the back of the watch it looked 100% authentic. I get a little wary when watching videos like this carry on about how PERFECT everything from Rolex is, and how you can tell that a watch is fake because it doesn't cast a perfect shadow, and how Rolex watches are assembled by the hands of angels. I am weary of these real vs. fake videos, which have become far too prolific. My watch may be a superclone, but I have $20,000 in my pocket that the guy who bought the "real" watch doesn't have.
The buyer of the genuine one was able to spend 20K without issue for the pleasure of knowing he has the real thing. That’s the difference. Fakes are for losers.
I wear a Bulova auto which I know isn't a Rolex but it's in my price range. What it has in common with a Rolex is it will last many years and should it need parts or service, I know the company will be there to maintain it. You can't be sure of that with a clone so perhaps the first time it breaks, you will end up throwing it out. I have a Bulova that was purchased in the early 70s that needs a service but with that, it would still be functional. I am not sure that would be true of your clone. You don't have to pay a lot for quality so buy a quality watch that you like and it will last you many years.
I purchased my Rolex Submariner (ref. 16613, new) in 1998 from a USA AD. My wife took it to a premier boutique in Switzerland (hint: the one now owned by Rolex) for servicing and she was told that my watch was a fake. The watch inspector at the counter really embarrassed my wife...made her feel like a criminal in front of a handful of other patrons. In any event, my wife stood her ground and requested that a more experienced staff member review the watch, along with the purchase papers and insurance documents. Of course, that senior expert validated the watch as authentic and had it sent to Geneva for servicing. Eight weeks later, the serviced watch was returned...along with an invoice for $1100. Seems to me that the so-called "professionals" have a hard time authenticating the real watches, too! Especially the older watches...you know...the ones bought under the assumption that Rolex quality delivered something special over one's lifetime. That treatment taught me one good lesson...never to buy another Rolex.
It shows how unrealistic the price tags of premium watches are. If it's possible to produce a very similar watch for a couple of hundred bucks, why does a real one costs (tens of) thousands?
Thank God for subtitles. At this point I wouldn't trust anybody including the so-called experts that make those videos that run jewelry stores. They reverse engineer these watches and they're just getting better and better every day, you might as well just buy a super clone save the money and then you know for sure what you have.
Great 👍🏼 content thanks for sharing your expertise back in the day you could tell a fake Rolex from the 1990s and 2000 early 2000s they came along way with these clones and super clones.
The level of detail these frauds have in these fakes is impressive. Just imagine if they actually put that effort into making a legit watch company and not be frauds.
The second hand looked like it had a tick to it instead of a smooth sweep. Almost like it was underpowered but I know video can have a lot to do what I am seeing as well. Who knows what my point is haha. What i do know is I see rookies that think its a great idea to get these super clones so they can see what they are up against. In my experieince in authenticating anything is to have several in your hands. Get the real deal and handle it, look at it and even smell it some cases like sneakers. thats the biggest give away usually.
Sir, a big thanks from a good china manufacturing! We'll definetely make a better product next time 😂. Upd - Ok i got to the point where you say you wont show everything, so my bad.
Music is really distracting and unnecessary.
Agreed!
Especially because the person in the video speaks cockney, rather than proper English. I admit I struggled a bit to understand him at times.
No music next time please!
@@dannyinformalI thought I was the only one. 🤦🏻♂️
Amen.
This is why I won’t buy a Rolex from a private seller. Even ad’s can’t always tell
Just look at some of the staff in AD's 😳 They wouldn't know a Rolex from Bolex 😂
@@steverumney7613 unfortunately they are trained for sales only and not authenticating / watchmaking.
I would not even buy from a grey dealer.
@@andricopoulos70 🥲
If they fakes can't be distinguished easily from a genuine rolex then why on earth is a genuine rolex so expensive? The genuine item is mass produced mostly by machine anyway?!!
It's amazing how close they can copy for so cheap ...makes you wonder on true value and who the true thieves are
Easy to make money when you are relying on someone else paying all your marketing costs, you don't have to employ designers and skilled watchmakers, and you can cut corners on materials, production & quality control....
Really??!! 🤡
Err, skilled watchmakers ha, you do realise that rolex are mass producted machine made watches. I don't know what you think a skilled watchmaker is, let me educate you gs are hand-built and hand polished for half the price of rolex, sorry to break it to you but rolex cost around 400pounds per watch to produce and the rest is marketing which they are brilliant at, rolex is more of a fashion brand for people who do not know any better, sorry 🙏
@@zivkovicableThe threat from super clones is that they are almost indistinguishable from a real one, so the ‘cut corners’ claim doesn’t stack up. And as for the skill of watchmaking - who makes the replica, fairies? Ironically they’re more skilful as they often have to reverse engineer and clone the parts to zero tolerance. I mean we can all stand back and belittle, by shouting ‘fake’ but their skill isn’t.
A Rolex is a mass manufactured watch made by machines on highly automated production lines and assembled on by semi-skilled workers.. They only cost a few hundred dollars to make.
The material in Rolex are only worth a couple of dollars. eg The 'special' 440C steel is actually a cheap industrial grade product worth about 70 cents per kilo. A sapphire crystal costs about $1.
If Rolex moved to China they could make exactly the same watches for well under $100 due to much lower labour costs,
The SUPER super clones that go for $900-$1100 need a microscope, a very experienced Rolex person and a bloody training manual to discern!!!!😱😱😱
Or it's for sale on Facebook Marketplace.
Overpriced shit, the real price of em is 400, for the sub he has 300
@@3lisey That’s not true! You are uniformed with respect.
They have multiple quality levels. The one I bought for my son from a local guy goes for $500.
They start @ $300 online(much cheaper overseas if you know where to go) and they go up to $900-$1100 for Rolex.
True depends on factory it originates from.@@ryanjofre
@@3lisey I'm assuming you are speaking about the clone and not the real Rolex being "Overpriced shit" . A GMT Master II takes one year to make and is done essentially by hand. The gold used in the 2-tone or solids are procured by Rolex and foundered by Rolex. Everything is in-house and vetted to a meticulous standard. The fakes... well who cares. They are equivalent to worthless photocopies of beautiful pictures.
Music is too loud especially when your speaking
Thanks for the feedback! We will take it onboard.
@@swisstimepiecesPlease fix it immediately mate🙏👍. I’m a watch guru and this music ruins this excellent content.
@@ryanjofre come on bro it's not THAT bad lol
plus the accent is horrible. the guy talks so fast I cant understand half of what he is saying.
@@bernardmauge8613 I totally agree...could hardly understand him...does he not realize others are listening? :(
I bought my GMT M II from a grey market dealer in '16, before COVID craze. (only paid 6800 USD$ back then!!). I did my homework and "bought the dealer, not the watch". I felt fairly confident, but always had a nagging feeling in the back of my mind, did I get scammed? So, I brought it to a Rolex authorized service center for a regular service last February. I was quite relieved when they called back and said the watch was ready for pickup 4 weeks later. With a new 2-year warranty from Rolex. That confirmed to me that it was authentic, and I did not just blow thousands of $$'s of hard-earned money on a fake. You just never know.
I am curious to know what's the price of service such watch. I want to take mine to service as well. Thanks!
@@pelimartinez 750$ no polishing. 150$ extra if you want polishing. I do not polish my watches.
You still paid 6800 in the first place though and 750 for a service. Madness, sorry...
Good superclones were not around in 2016 so there is that. 🤷🏻♂️
@@Mac_F87 Super cloned Rolex's have been around way before 2016 or are you just 5yrs old.
This was definitely not a "super clone" it's just a high end rep, VERY surprising anyone thought that was real!!! I've seen MUCH better fakes here on youtube where the only thing that gives away the watch is the movement inside. Some of the fakes have much better more defined laser engravings than genuine Rolex too. I've seen videos of people thinking the REAL rolex is fake when compared to the fake one based of how detailed the laser etched crown at 6 is, and how clear the logo is on the clasp. Again, very surprising that any reputable watch dealer would fall for THIS fake, and I warn you there are MUCH better ones
Exactly I've seen super clone handmade using genuine case and strap 😂 they surpass AAA clones
The perfect crown etching on the sapphire is a give away it’s fake. Genuine are always a random looking etching
It's pretty easy for you to tell a fake when you have all the genuine documents to compare to. But for the average person who does not have access to these, just tell them to check the balance wheel. Simple as that.
The fakes will have microstellar balances very soon.
igrotum is the only factory that makes replica watches with real gold and parts
People are buying their watches and reselling as originals
CRAZY how they can do that without getting caught
Rolex shares and stock are rapidly decreasing
No factory can beat them
True artists; I know their shop, and it's crazy how many people visit and buy on a daily basis.
36 seconds into the video tells you straight away it's a fake, who the bloody hell buys a £10k watch advertised on Facebook?. 🤣😂
inner piece looks like any 60euro´dollar replica. Far from a super clone
If the watch costs less then having a Rolex serviced.....Rolex has a real problem....
Also if you own a Rolex, ......Most assume it's a fake.....and watch geeks want to see your watch
because they want it to be a fake, so they can tell you....
Thanks goodness for subtitles...
dude lol. I had to give up on the video... the super loud music and the intelligible words.
@@its_maxbrois it the accent? I'm from the UK like this guy and I have no issues at all...maybe he needs to speak slower
I can barely understand this guy. Talk about strong accents
I'd just buy the super clone. Looks great imo!
i know right! I'm all for the super clones! My friend recently bought from wristova that sells high-quality super clones, and i also ordered mine after looking at it, it was so hard to tell the difference which was real!!!
Absolutely.
As long as you pay clone prices I guess!
I'd tend to agree with you, but a lot of people will tell you that your money (even if it's only a grand or so) is going to fund illegal sweat shops in the Far East, which in turn are funding organised crime. That might not affect you personally, but it affects someone. Would you want that on your conscience?
Thanks for the tips mate! I’ll let my factory know about all the points made.
Change the record…..😴😴
What you are showing is not a super clone, but a regular clone. That makes a lot of differents.
Regular clones are bought by Regular Muppets.....super clones are bought by Super Muppets. Fact
@@markjones1337 It seems that you are the biggest Muppet. I don't hope that you will be cloned. That would be a disaster.
Alright roman sharf chill out !!
@@deadpool8340 Everything else going well in your head?
@deadpool8340 he's right though. Super clones are quite literally 1:1. They even nail the colors but NOT the finish. Needs a microscope to find the difference, visually impossible to tell without opening up the back, and even then, the only piece thst sets the fakes apart from the real one is the balance bridge. And you can get a genuine Rolex balance bridge, install it in the super clone and it'll be damn near impossible to tell. Lots of these massive youtubers have gotten scammed by real super clones. These things will even use real gold, real diamonds, so it depends on what you're looking for
i have a vsf 41mm datejust and a real 41mm 2 tone. the average person cannot tell. when you actually wind the watch, and set the watch it's obvious, but other than that, it's incredibly difficult even side by side comparison
It is scary how many people fall for it!
why do you have a copy when you own the genuine item?
@appleman29 I live in Florida and go out at night on the beach and broadwalk and to the concerts, and although I've never had a problem, I know homeless people live on the beach. u see the same ones all the time. and I wore it a few times, but now where my pelagos 39 or jlc reverso when I'm concerned people i don't want will take an interest in my property. ultimately, I'm torn, I do feel some type of way about fake watches and think they take away from all the genuine and maybe that's why I don't where it as much and never around people I know. even when people who know me would think it's real because they know I have the money for real watches and own real watches, I wouldn't want to admit to people I know I gave a fake as well and bring into question my real watches
Almost same story just I’m in Ny
@@DC-si8xw To wear any fake for any reason is just ridiculous. Buy a genuine Seiko and wear it with pride. The watch is real, it looks good, it runs as good as a Rolex, and costs around 1/10th of a Rolex.
You don't ever need to wear a fake Rolex, or any other fake for that matter.
Personally I never buy a Rolex from anyone but an AD. No offense to all honest watch dealers but the fake watch industry has achieved an incredible growth.
AD can’t see the difference anymore with the super clones. The one he is looking at isn’t a super clone. AND I’m hearing first hand stories that some ADs are taking out the original movements & replacing them with super clone movements. Buyer will never know until serviced.
@@nomad7734 Bucherer is owned by Rolex, so I don’t have any concerns buying from them.
For me the question is, if you took this watch, identical in every way BUT, it didn't say rolex on it. It wouldnt be a fake rolex, would you still want it, would you consider the quality commensurate with the price ?
There are rumors that igrotum has the Rolex database of serial numbers and sells replicas with the same serial numbers as the originals
@@AllahKhalis there are rumors that igrotum is just crap promoted by a bunch of bots
Bots
Scrotum?
@@mapled3135 It's a fact - not a rumour.
Another good tell, is to hold it up to see if any light is showing through between the lugs & end links on the bracelet , real Rolex watches are incredibly tight with not the slightest gaps
If a copy can be so good, why would people wants to spend so much on a genuine? 😅
They pay the extra 10K just to see the words "Rolex" on it.........Personally I like seeing "Seiko" on my watches ;)
@@JohnnyKray To each his own…and more power to them.
Lineage, quality, exclusivity...like all luxury goods...Without the advent of the internet, you wouldn't even have an opinion on Rolex. You don't understand or value the lineage or history, and that is because the product was never intended for you...before the internet no one knew what anyone else had...Be dismissive with your mocking emoji, but a genuine Rolex means something to some people. Now with the interenet, you can put it in a nice "neat little box" because marketers and influencers have homogenized and pimped it out for you.. ~ Despite that; if someone gave you a Rolex, you would be singing a different tune.
I didn't, the clone is amazing
@@JohnnyKraycope harder.
My Rolex will outlive me and will be passed down to my daughter. Its purchase date is also the same month/ year as her birthday.
Rolex clones are just that. Fake, replicas that hold zero value. My Rolex is a lifetime achievement that I earned and love.
A friend living in Philippines has an authentic Subdate and a super clone Subdate. I could not see any difference. He had me wind the authentic then the clone. Winding that clone was immediately easy to tell a poorly made movement. In fact I would have been very suspicious if had no comparison it was that bad.
yes it tends to feel sandy
For those who love high-end brands, Wristova’s super clones are a must-check.
Where do you guys buy the replicas from?
What this shows is that: 1. You need to be a pro to spot one fake Rolex from another one that’s real. 2. There’s a lot of fake Rolex’s out there. A lot. 3. If a Rolex sold for $100, nobody would want one.
What does this tell you about their real value?
Been watching your videos for a while now and was inspired to start a collection. Started with the amzwatch, its specs for price and clean looks, now am looking for a dress watch to add.
Picked up a MaMaCoo 's watch as my first watch last month and I’m absolutely in love with it. Perfect size, looks elegant, very comfortable. Now my only problem is holding off from buying more watches so quickly!
Great video, thank you! I think it seems a lot easier to tell the difference when you have both authentic and *amzwatch* side by side and can put both of them under a macro lens but sadly it would be a different story if you just handed the replica to pretty much anyone and asked their opinion. Unless an AD has the caseback removed and checked by their watch maker it would probably fool them as well. It probably won't be long before they are able to duplicate the look of the hairspring as well.
Try picking the fake with out a genuine one side buy side
Kind of like what we do everyday of the week? 🤔
You got to be careful of scammers saying they are fake when they are not because they lost out on a sale.
Where can i buy one
This ain’t a super clone, just a poor replica that can be spotted a mile away. There are loads of super clones out there, only verified by removing the case back and inspecting the movement. Sadly many non authorised dealers don’t check this.
The counterfeiters have been making replica Rolex movements for years. It is well know they can already fool most of the 'experts'. The best super clones need to be sent to the factory for verification.
Very interesting and great VLOG, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Im shocked about the receipt bit, i always ask for proof of purchase and thought that was covering me, but obviously not!!
Crazy isn’t it!
Don't understand a thing you said. I double checked my playback speed setting to make sure it wasn't screwed up. Gave up and moved on.
True 👍 ✔️ I from that place and I don't know what it says either
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That's why God invented closed captioning
As an non native speaker, I accepted the defeat and moved on as well
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Wow the non sweep second hand gives it away in seconds 😂
Great video! Keep up the good work.
Thank you! 🙌
Great information thank you so much
I’ve seen loads of real Rolexes with poor rehaut alignment.
How old were they?
@@swisstimepieces the engraved rehaut has only been used since the mid 2000s. So not that old.
I’ve also seen loads with poor magnification on the date window and poor bezel alignment.
Rolexes having perfect QC is a myth.
Also that isn’t a super clone in the video
It doesn't matter how old are they, there are many Rolex that aren't perfect, people think that Rolex are always perfect but they are not.
There are many forums that discuss about these issues.
I can't help thinking rolex has fuelled theft and clones by making it near impossible for people to buy new one without waiting forever.
Don't forget other watch brands are also being replicated, Rolex are just in the public eye a lot more.
I'm 100% with you on that, I've been on several waiting lists for more than five years for a Submariner with not even a call back, and I will not pay over retail for it.
@swisstimepieces I guess so but there price's aren't being driven up by wait lists.
@@simonyallop1488 Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet… even Moonswatches 😊
@swisstimepieces My apologies,to be honest I didn't realise they were that hard to get,I suppose its because Rolex are more in the spotlight for the general public
If he never found out it was fake, would it even matter???
Will these problems occur if these bags are used daily? I just purchased a metis clutch in monogrammed canvas from the Kusama collection. I love the colorful polka dots and hope they don’t melt on me, haha. But I don't think it will be in my regular rotation. I also have a NoeNoe in the DA but only use it a few times a year in the spring and summer so I don't put much wear and tear on it. I hope I don't see wear and tear for a while. Plus, I'm saving up niceshopx . Have any of your colleagues experienced the same problem with this size? I don't mind the shape being a little more relaxed, but I also don't want it to turn into a puddle. Thanks for the video!
This is why I bought the John Mayer from these guys. Gotta trust your seller!!!
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Thank you. I bought mine at a Japanese dealer. They have some high standards but as a customer it’s always a question
The Chinese Rolex clone designers are taking notes
And that's why he said he wasn't going to disclose all the differences. The ones he did disclose are already widely known.
Exactly why he needs to not give away what we know.
Which,he really hasnt,this is for the regular customer to be aware,we will break out a microscope and if isn't really it's actually a pretty fast process.
The clone designers all have real Rolex watches to copy. They don't need to take notes. Any 'mistakes' are deliberate. So they can sell you a new 'improved' super clone (with different flaws).
Interesting video. In your reference to the Rolex Crown, it's actually a Coronet. I would also assume the super clone is a different weight
so looking at the glass and winding it is enough for you to know - saves someone else the time watching
Did you watch the whole video? You just picked out two of the more subtle tell-tale signs 😊
@swisstimepieces if someone has the money to buy one then better they get it checked by a professional than watch your video..... but for your average man on the street who encounters more fakes that's all they need to know, raised glass, poor winding system and look at the seconds hand ;-)
Put it in a pot of boiling water with a Vostok Amphibia for half an hour. When you take the watches out if only the Vostok is still working the other watch is NOT a Rolex.
I hope he gets his money back, that's a tough lesson to learn. Like with most things in life, if it seems too good to be true it usually is. Rather pay a bit extra and buy from a trusted dealer to have peace of mind. And the same goes for selling, better to sell to a dealer that pays straight into your account before you've left the premises and receive a bit less than try to maximise every last penny selling to a private person and then end up getting scammed for the whole lot.
Very informative…….well done….🤗
super clones are the future
Just check the balance bridge. Real rolex is free sprung. To expensive to copy that. Fake has adjustment sliders. (2 antennas) also the little screws must be on the inside of the balance wheel otherwise it is not free sprung. Directly go check the balance. i have seen real Rolex cases and dials with fake movements so biggest advice is check the balance bridge. No need to check other features.
Really helpful information for our viewers! Thank you for sharing 🙌
@@swisstimepieces also the little screws must be on the inside of the balance wheel otherwise it is not free sprung. Directly go check the balance.
So you need to get someone in a headlock take off the watch open the back and check it with a microsc
@@pauldavies917 no need for headlock or microscope. If you need this you don’t know your watches. If you buy from regular person you still need to verify. So screw of case back and check balance bridge. It is clearly visible with the naked eye. Original is free sprung balance with little screws on the inside of the balance.
Yep, this is the only sure-fire way to know.
I love the fact you wear gloves to handle a fake Rolex
It's still a $1000 watch ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@kralkatorrik34 It's only a $1K watch to some mug who would pay that for it, you can get better clones for cheaper.
Art appraisers always wear gloves when evaluating a product for a client. ~ It's part of how it has always worked.
THe music really helps,
That’s not even a superclone.
Unfortunately I’m someone who fell for a scam on a watch was buying a datejust 36mm, good price as it did need a service I paid 2.5k the watch came with authentic box and even paperwork the booklet card everything was authentic from what the jeweller I went to get it serviced at told me, his technician even showed me how he knew the box and paperwork was okay, but he said upon opening the watch it was when he seen it wasn’t genuine it just didn’t look correct and was missing the Rolex branding, the date wheel had running on some of the numbers he said 28 and 31 were blurry, the serial number on the watch case didn’t match the paperwork, and the movement itself felt cheap although it looked authentic, his words, so he declared id been scammed, I got my money back luckily but still it was brutal
It's going to get to a point where people are going to desire a fake one over a genuine just so they know what they have.
Many thanks ❤
I had to turn on the closed caption English auto translate 😂 😂 😂
What year did they start engraving the word ROLEX inside the bezel ?
It’s a shame because AD’s won’t sell watches.
They sell every watch they get. The problem is the people they sell them too and the fact they immediately re sell to the grey market dealers for a profit.
Great points of reference 👌👌
Love AMZWATCH watch， Such a great looking watch to match with the precisionist movement.
Nice work guys, scary stuff
Thank you Jack!
Really enjoyed your video 👍
This is why buying a counterfeit is never harmless
It is harmless if you intend to keep it and never intend to pay for the real item. You aren't trying to cheat someone and you aren't harming Rolex's sales if you never intend to buy.
But you will have a fake with a shitty movement. that will have piss poor accuracy and no warranty. For the price of a 'good' clone you can buy a genuine watch that actually is good and will have a warranty. I don't see any valid reason for buying a clone - they may look good, but most really aren't, and when it needs a service you are better off throwing the watch.
@philjones352 you support a company that is stealing anothers IP and sells products that scammers pass off as real. Buying counterfeit is never harmless
@@paulhopkins1905 Read my comment again - anyone who buys to KEEP isn't going to try to pass it on as real, and if they don't intend to ever buy a real item Rolex haven't lost a sale - I don't see any harm to anyone except the person buying a fake as they are buying a watch with shit internals. I don't understand why you get the impression my opinion that a clone watch will be shit and unreliable means I am supporting the clone industry.
Personally I wouldn't touch a clone with a 50 foot pole, but each to their own and all that.
@philjones352 Read my comment, you are still supporting counterfeiters that are actively stealing IP from another company. Buying counterfeit 100% hurts the company being ripped off, as well as people that get scammed by counterfeits, regardless of what you do with it
@@paulhopkins1905 I read it again. You're still ignoring that anyone who does buy to keep isn't harming anyone except their own bank balance. Your insistence they are harming anyone is nonsense.
People do get scammed with fakes, but not by people than don't sell.
There aren’t many ‘obvious signs’ anymore on the best clones. Even the movements inside them are giving Rolex dealers headaches! The details are insane.
This is why I don’t buy watches without the white hang tag. Rolex is trying to keep them for a reason
The white hand tag is easily replicated, even with the white tag it can be a super clone. Always have the warranty card & watch inspected by a reputable retailer 😊. A white swing tag is usually only handy when buying a precious metal piece like a John Mayer and you want to check the dial code matches the green dial.
@@swisstimepieces I agree that white hang tag doesn’t authenticate the watch, but at least giving me additional peace of mind. Especially when the watch comes with some unique dial. Personally I haven’t seen a replica with the white tag. Have you?
@@cookingwithwatches definitely! I have still found UK ADs keeping the white swing tag too which baffles me. I have seen one superclone with a white tag before but the text & print was blatantly wrong.
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Did the bar code on the white tag when scanned give you the watches serial number as it should ?
Soon the super clones will be better value and quality than the real ones. I bet the Chinese can make a hell of a watch for $2k
I’m certain they could make a better watch than Rolex for $2000.
For people who don't understand lineage and exclusivity. Before the internet, no one knew what anyone else had...now everyone feels "included".
Really good 👍
I will stick with my 1979 Tudor watch passed down from my pop. And his 1949 18 karat gold longines watch I wear them special occasions. My favorite everyday watch is my 690.00 Steinhart Swiss made from a German own company. The price point not too bad from 490 to little over 1000 bucks. I like Tudor because made real well and I believe they are related to Rolex. Put my two older watches my father left me are beautiful and love the older vintage watches. But I was very surprised about the steinhardt for the price point good quality Swiss watch.
i bought my GMT Master II from this online store wristova, it was pretty good!! The quality, design, dials, and movements were all pretty decent!!
When it's too good to be true, it generally is.
The second hand is a total giveaway it’s obviously ticking rather then sweeping
I have a superclone BATMAN and took it to a jeweler who said that without opening the back of the watch it looked 100% authentic. I get a little wary when watching videos like this carry on about how PERFECT everything from Rolex is, and how you can tell that a watch is fake because it doesn't cast a perfect shadow, and how Rolex watches are assembled by the hands of angels. I am weary of these real vs. fake videos, which have become far too prolific. My watch may be a superclone, but I have $20,000 in my pocket that the guy who bought the "real" watch doesn't have.
The buyer of the genuine one was able to spend 20K without issue for the pleasure of knowing he has the real thing. That’s the difference. Fakes are for losers.
Kind of like a woman with real breasts instead of rubber ones. I wonder how many fake owners let people they meet know it's a fake watch.
I wear a Bulova auto which I know isn't a Rolex but it's in my price range. What it has in common with a Rolex is it will last many years and should it need parts or service, I know the company will be there to maintain it. You can't be sure of that with a clone so perhaps the first time it breaks, you will end up throwing it out. I have a Bulova that was purchased in the early 70s that needs a service but with that, it would still be functional. I am not sure that would be true of your clone. You don't have to pay a lot for quality so buy a quality watch that you like and it will last you many years.
I purchased my Rolex Submariner (ref. 16613, new) in 1998 from a USA AD. My wife took it to a premier boutique in Switzerland (hint: the one now owned by Rolex) for servicing and she was told that my watch was a fake. The watch inspector at the counter really embarrassed my wife...made her feel like a criminal in front of a handful of other patrons. In any event, my wife stood her ground and requested that a more experienced staff member review the watch, along with the purchase papers and insurance documents. Of course, that senior expert validated the watch as authentic and had it sent to Geneva for servicing. Eight weeks later, the serviced watch was returned...along with an invoice for $1100. Seems to me that the so-called "professionals" have a hard time authenticating the real watches, too! Especially the older watches...you know...the ones bought under the assumption that Rolex quality delivered something special over one's lifetime. That treatment taught me one good lesson...never to buy another Rolex.
Anyone have the link for the super clone? I don’t want to buy it 😂 it’s for a friend who asked me.
could all be avoided if Rolex sold to the public instead of forcing so many people to buy on the grey market.
It shows how unrealistic the price tags of premium watches are. If it's possible to produce a very similar watch for a couple of hundred bucks, why does a real one costs (tens of) thousands?
Thank God for subtitles. At this point I wouldn't trust anybody including the so-called experts that make those videos that run jewelry stores. They reverse engineer these watches and they're just getting better and better every day, you might as well just buy a super clone save the money and then you know for sure what you have.
Pretty much telling me to buy a fake 😂
Great 👍🏼 content thanks for sharing your expertise back in the day you could tell a fake Rolex from the 1990s and 2000 early 2000s they came along way with these clones and super clones.
Thanks so much for the kind words!
The level of detail these frauds have in these fakes is impressive. Just imagine if they actually put that effort into making a legit watch company and not be frauds.
Excellent course for scammers. Now they know what they have to do better. Just kidding, thanks for the video
He's trying so hard to get people not to buy the 100% identical clone 😂
great video info, hard to understand what you’re saying in full
07:30 "loupay" ? Isn't it just pronounced "loop"?
The second hand looked like it had a tick to it instead of a smooth sweep. Almost like it was underpowered but I know video can have a lot to do what I am seeing as well. Who knows what my point is haha. What i do know is I see rookies that think its a great idea to get these super clones so they can see what they are up against. In my experieince in authenticating anything is to have several in your hands. Get the real deal and handle it, look at it and even smell it some cases like sneakers. thats the biggest give away usually.
I wish he would have shown us the superclone daytona
If someone tries to sell us one we will be straight on here to show you 😊
In all fairness, this one was spotted, who knows how many were bought already that were too good to be caught.
Fake watches get past people everyday.
No NFC chip is no longer a tell.
The music in the background is too loud for this kind of video!
Nothing like a super clone
@@robbo1233 where can you buy a Super Clone?
These super clones are unfair to the real consumers who pay the price of a family car for the genuine items.
So sorry, guys 😂
No need to buy Rolex, buy Seiko instead 😂
Vsf 116610 is miles ahead of this example shown
Where could I purchase a vsf in UK?
I Would love that watch other than its a fake i would just like it in my collection along with my real sub and a invicta pro dive
Sir, a big thanks from a good china manufacturing! We'll definetely make a better product next time 😂. Upd - Ok i got to the point where you say you wont show everything, so my bad.
I heard that Rolex can't keep time always slow is that true
Rate issues have been observed with the current generation of 32xx movements.
Any automatic will be shit compared to a quartz but that's not why people buy them
These guys should clone Ford Cammers, Pontiac RAV's and Chevy ZL1 blocks, heads and intakes.