When Kylo made the decision to change, Adam Driver was amazing in his portrayal of Kylo no longer being conflicted. I remember seeing his face and it stopped me. I thought "wow, he looks younger and at peace". I'm sure that's partially make up and effects and partially the performance but I believed the transition. The relief he felt. One of the most memorable scenes for me
Agree with Dennis. Lawrence Kasdan should have written the whole sequel trilogy. Doesn’t matter who directs the movies. But so important to have the same writer across the whole trilogy.
Kasdan is vastly over rated and after Solo he should never be allowed near star wars again. Plus trilogies suck. They should all be standalone stories to avoid ruining any one part of the story.
My thoughts are: I enjoyed the film because I wanted to. I didn't enjoy TLJ because I kept trying to figure out what was going on and for what reasons. This time, I just went in and enjoyed a fast paced space adventure and have zero energy to poke through the obvious holes and leaps in logic. I just enjoyed a Star Wars movie for what it was.
Same here. I feel like I was allowing my adult mind and cynicism to take away what I love about the movies. As a kids I loved star wars because it was a fun space western with some philosophy in it. I too spent time on theory and what not going into the last jedi. This time I went on media black out and enjoyed it like when I Frist saw the original trilogy after renting them from my library as a kids. I walked out of this film with a big grin. It's the final film in the saga is a little fan service really not called for?
@@allancarter The nostalgia is 100% called for because its supposed to tie everything together. Or at least that was the intention. So absolutely we need those call backs.
Yep. Star Wars have always been popcorn flicks. I don't understand people wanting or expecting anything more than that. I've enjoyed this entire trilogy due to this mindset instead of expecting more than what Star Wars was ever capable of giving us.
Small point but Han on the DS is not Han, it’s Kylo talking to his own memory/conscience. That’s what sold the redemption to me. It was his OWN decision, not someone telling him to turn.
Thank God, I found 2 people here who were able to understand at least the basics of this film. I honestly think a lot of people went in already determined to feel a certain way, or preconceived ideas of what should or should not hapoen in the film, prior to going to view it.
@@Rob-zz4qj Here's a thing all you seem to miss though... at the very beginning of the video Rocha says " please don't comment until you watch the whole video...." Riley literally says what you guys are saying that it was a memory, otherwise he would have walked out lmao. that happens in THIS VIDEO. come on guys
It's seems like they need to watch the movie again. When Leia reached out to Kylo that didn't turn him. It distracted him. Its only after Rey heals him instead of leaving him to die, the mercy she shows him, the example shesets in refusing to embrace darkness, that convinces him to let go of the darkness himself.
@@RaikenXion At that moment, he didn't hate his father. Kylo said, "Dad." And Han replied with his famous, "I know." Because he knew the words Kylo wanted to say, which was "I love you." It was the combination of Leia calling out to him and dying, Rey showing mercy and healing him, and his father speaking to him that caused him to turn back to the light.
Sesi Ancient Hybrid I saw it once, will you explain which part? I know palp was the voice in his head, and perhaps dark side users cannot see force ghosts but why wouldn’t Anakin appear to him before he turned or after he turned back?
I believe Anakin should have been the one to turn Kylo to the light. Saying that it was a mistake turning to the darkside as it doesn't offer what you seek
I thought this too. After a bit of thinking I felt that his father and their complicated relationship and the healing that happened was important to his redemption. Think about it Ben never met Anakin he worshipped the idea of Vader but only through his legend. If Anakin showed up as a ghost he wouldn't have know Immediately who he was (Wich they could have worked with) Han wasn't a ghost he was just in Ben's thoughts as he struggled. Just seems more personal son and father.
Maybe do it before he joins the literal slayer of billions faction, not after the fact. But also no. They destroyed everyone else's character at least they forgot Anakin was an option and stayed untouched.
How are people OK with Disney just undoing the end of the Original Trilogy? Luke didn't save the Galaxy and Anakin didn't restore balance to the Force? WTH.. how is that even acceptable?
Lucky Plays I agree I liked the movie besides this. It sort of ruins all of Star Wars for me. Like these are movies about Anakin being the chosen one and he fulfilled his destiny, you can’t just undo that
He did restore balance but who said it had to last this is how the star wars universe works if either light or dark tip the balance to far one way the force will create a way for it to balance , if you see how the jedi used to live on two planets one dark and one light and if they tipped the balance to far one way they had to go to the planet that was opposite to which way they were off balance so they could even it out
All of the commenters here in this thread all make great valid points to me. I know how you feel about Anakin and Luke. I think that will always be an issue if and when you bring The Emperor back. No matter how I feel about the movie, The Emperor return would always have an issue with the previous installments, no matter how it is set executed, etc. The people are already complaining about fan service now, those same idiots would have jumped up and walked out if Anakin and Luke appeared at Rey's confrontation. So, J.J. did the right thing (considering how he brought the Emperor back and ended him). As people have problems nowadays with Canon and Legend materials trying into the Films, as now the time ins are referred to as fan sevices.
8:40 They did explain why Kylo was so angry. His parents handed him off to Luke to be trained at a young age. The whole time, Snoke/Palpatine is corrupting his mind, but he has no clue what is going on. All he knows is that Luke was prepared to murder him in his sleep, he felt betrayed, like he couldn't trust anyone. And his parents sent him away for this to happen. Of course the poor guy is going to be ripped to shreds and angry at the world. I think Kylo was one of the only characters that had a clear and deep arc throughout all 3 films. The only character that both directors seemed to be on the same page about.
This doesn’t explain why Leia didn’t talk to him through the force about what happened right after it happened. And btw the “poor guy” didn’t understand anything when Palpatine said that he had been every voice he had ever heard inside his head. Should he not reconsider the situation with Luke and generally his goals as a Sith?
same logic as to why in religions there are ghosts that supposedly move objects but don't continue interacting fully in the material world. That's where they got that from. Don't blame Star Wars universe rules, blame the rules of world religions it took inspiration from.
I wonder if they couldn't because they're blocked by the dark side, or something like that. In ESB, Obi-Wan tells Luke that he cannot interfere. Maybe he wouldn't be able to appear. We haven't seen force ghosts appear "physically" in the presence of the dark side.
Leia didn’t redeem Ben when she calls his name. It’s because he felt her dying. This is why he stops what he does and this gives Rey an opening to stab him. It wasn’t until she started healing him that he starts to realize his mistakes. he has lost the ones he loved and was saved by the one he cares about. He’s been haunted by Hans death and now he’s lost both his parents and the memory of Han is a reflection of his mistake
@@ahmedgamea4535 the luke scenario ill grant you because the emperor was so called "defenseless" that moment. i dont recall the emperor pushing for mace windu. anakin struck windu so he could save palpatine and the knowledge to save padme. you might be thinking of count dooku
Wow, Spencer Ackerman. It's truly amazing how we both watched the exact same movie but somehow we came away with completely different takes/feelings on that scene. I'm sorry to tell you, but you have this "The Rise of Skywalker" scene. Completely wrong. What's really happening in this scene is Kylo Ren/Ben Solo is being redeemed by his mother Princess Leia. Also, Kylo stopped his fight with Rey because of the Force connection that his mother Leia had initiated. Kylo wasn't sensing his mother coming death. What Kylo was sensing was his mother "Princess Leia" trying one last time...A final attempt to bring back her son Ben Solo. Bring him back to the Light-Side of the Force.
Age Mycek yea i agree but hes not redeemed just because she says his name. Its a culmination of what we both said. All i was trying to say is “leia just saying his name redeemed ben”. Thats what the people on the panel are complaining about. Leia resching out to ben, rey saying she would have taken bens hand, and the memory of his father all help him see that hes not truly alone and that people care about him. The fact that leia died made him realize both his parents are now gone and thats part of the reason the han memory is triggered
There was an easy fix for this. A two-part finale. Harry Potter did it. Hunger Games did it. Fix Last Jedi with the first film and then ram it home on the finale.
This was not necessary if TLJ didn’t ruin the middle chapter. I’m glad they didn’t split it into 2, the entire movie worked for me and retconning ep 8 makes me so happy
Rian Johnson made Hux a complete fool that J.J. had to kill him. I was fine with it because they had to get rid of him. It also made General Pryde seem more in control and intelligent.
the best comment here... i always hated Ewoks, freaking teddy bears destroying elite Empire stormtroopers?... but hey, there are tons of other things that you may like or dont like.... its not perfect but we are there for a ride, always
The Rise of Skywalker is what happens when you crowdsource the plot. There's some good parts but it's like a hearty chicken soup with big noodles and vegetables but the broth is urine.
No reason as to how the Star destroyers literally THOUSANDS of them are being destroyed so easily..? Why doesn’t the Emperor”s Force storm instantaneously destroy those ships instead of giving em a huge EMP wave..that was cool shit , it happens in legends and EU. The Emperor can conjure Force storms..in the movie, it was spectacular effects but it being an EMP wave ,was eh...
Wow. You just compared watching a movie to watching your parents divorce. Maybe you’re use of that simile was trying to be comedy. I hope so. Otherwise I really feel sad for you.
Kinda makes you wonder why he wasn’t taught force heal though. Like his whole reason for turning to the dark side was to learn the ability to save people from dying because he was tortured by visions of padme dying in child birth. (Little did he know that she was gonna die because of his actions) And sidious used that to tempt him with power. But if he had been taught the force heal ability he would have no motivation to turn since he’d already have that security over padme’s life. Anakin is definitely powerful enough to do it and yoda should know this ability too. Seems like they just pulled this out of their ass to do something new. Just thoughts I have on this ability.
Perfect connection to old movies. The force heal thing is crazy but I feel like the only way kylo could bring rey back was because of their dyad connection
Leia used the last of her strength to project Hans "appearance" into Ben's memory to turn him back to the light. That's why she dies/transforms into a force ghost.
By watching the movie how do we know it's Han's medal? I'm reading that everywhere, so wondering if you're just spreading the message or if I missed something in the movie. I really hope this is not some wookiepedia entry.
Sheesh Dorina.. don't you remember Luke realized he was wrong by the end of Last Jedi and he did return to his positive self. Remember the speech he gave Kylo... "amazing. Every word of what you said was wrong..."
The reason the Mandalorian feels so different from TROS is simple - Mandalorian is being made by people who LOVE Star Wars, it's being made by people who are dedicated to telling new stories and expanding a universe rather than just rehashing what's already been told. TROS is a fun experience to look at and initially experience, but beyond heart-wrenching nostalgia, it has very little to offer emotionally. Mandalorian makes you feel, spending time to hash out characters and relationships. Hopefully going forward they put people at the helm of Star Wars that genuinely care about creating new content and new stories. Very excited about the future of Mandalorian and especially the Obi-Wan series, considering Chow is at the helm. Maybe Star Wars TV shows are the future of the franchise?
Oh, come ON! I enjoy The Mandalorian but almost all it is is lazy fan service. It borrows the most common tropes of the western genre and relies on references to the OT to make fans happy in a cheap way. What about when they go back to Tatooine, AND Mos Eisley AND the cantina AND the booth where Han shot Greedo? You call that original? Of course the ST has similarities to the OT but it is much more original than The Mandalorian.
@@matthewmartinson3604 just like OT borrowed from Kurosawa but RJ stan away he was just SOME GUY they got to do Star Wars and him and JJ and KK fucked it up
The nostalgia they were going for, is for people who saw the original trilogy at the cinema and had a lasting impression. I am in the group that watch them on VHS etc. and have loved star wars watching it many times since. When you have seen it so many times. What sticks with you are the characters. The rest is icing on the cake. JJ has put icing on a half baked cake.
The whole plot of the movie felt rushed. Trying to fit in a lot of plot threads. It would have been better if the Rise of Skywalker was split into two movies.
I've said this....it was rushed because they had 2 hours missing because of rian Johnson's TLJ....had JJ done that he could have built things up better
I am truly fascinated at how much Star Wars gets criticized for plot holes and Mary Sue’s, and marvel movies always gets a pass. I don’t think I’ll ever understand it.
Marvel is more of a popcorn "have a fun time type of movie" people do criticise them for the reasons you stated but they are generally loved for being fun films With start wars, people expect something else, we expect a good story, characters and themes. The sequel trilogy and prequel trilogy have been criticised for not having any of those things. Now you know.
Khalil Hines yes but they’ve always struggled with those points (outside of the original trilogy perhaps, particularly empire, which has things people have picked apart as well). None of these films are perfect and my point is, marvel movies have very similar audiences and they are both big popcorn action movies, made for kids - yet they still get treated differently in terms of expectations. I get that Star Wars is supposed to be different - perhaps more sophisticated, but are they really? They are high fantasy movies, with characters with incredible magical powers, with massive production budgets made for massive wide audiences. In the end, they are not THAT different, yet SW gets a different standard. I see plot holes and plot armor issues and Mary Sue’s all day every day and still people are like, 100% rotten tomatoes!
Anyone else feel like the lack of character development and the fact that the plot was rushed is because Rian Johnson didn’t follow up on anything from force awakens?
Still lowers the stakes soo much that I felt no danger or a sense of anxeity for these characters. Passing weapons to each other across space and time is also anothet plot armor device. I mean now even if they make an old republic trilogy I'll be expecting that crap or I'll at least I'll be going like why can't they force heal their friends or pass each othet a saber in that moment they got surrounded by the enemy.
I can accept new force abilities like force heal. What i cant accept is just how quickly it takes characters out of nowhere to learn and teach themselves such abilities. I just miss the "Master/Student" thing of Star Wars, thats always been a important part of the mythos to me.
Totally on marks side, I’m 48 and watched every Star Wars in cinema. They don’t need to explain everything. I’ve had 42 years of it. I love this movie. It’s defo fan service but wow!!!!
Dj easyp im a year older and loved it. Even Han Memory ghost got me. When you hear Harrison say “hey kid” I got goosebumps before he came into frame. A lot of fan service- but you know what? For 42 years I’ve been a fan. My kids for 20 years. All the money on all the toys and merchandise for 40 years? I’ll take the fan service and smile. Love your comment.
Hey I’m a younger person myself. I’m kinda one of those kids who grew up on The Clone Wars, The Force Awakens was the first liveaction Star Wars movie I saw in the theater. I really enjoyed all three sequel trilogy films, (and obviously I’m a little biased, but) I think I’m the “younger generation” that these movies are supposed to be impacting. I just wanted to say that I think Dennis’ comments on my generation- and the prequel generation- were a little misguided. I know some people don’t get the same enjoyment out of the original trilogy as they did back in 1977-83 but I just don’t think that’s how the kids who grew up on prequels or sequels view the saga. The kids who grew up on the prequels see the series as a 6 film saga, and I see it as a 9 film saga, and I have love for every movie in the franchise because I grew up on every movie in the franchise. I just wanted to give my take from the perspective of my demographic :)
Well said. I am of the older generation, and so I think it is damn great that we shut up telling others how they feel. We would all do better by listening. Thanks for your take.
Logan Ferguson I do not disagree one bit. I think the original trilogy has impacted pop culture way more than anything Star Wars has since, and really changed cinema forever. I think the only thing my generation has that’s even remotely similar is the MCU, as far as relevance and sheer size of the fanbase. Although the MCU is also ironically heavily inspired by the original trilogy, so, yea. I agree.
It made sense to me, he was able to hear the cries of the victims of starkiller base in tfa, and it neatly explains how he was able to resist the stormtrooper programming.
Not even a little bit. I'm not saying they're trash. They're entertainment, and that's all that really matters. But everything important in them was covered in the original trilogy: Anakin Skywalker was already a great pilot when Obi-Wan met him, then he became a Jedi and fought in the Clone Wars before betraying the Jedi and falling to the Dark Side, becoming more machine than man. That's it. That's what was important over those three films.
Anyone can have their opinion, but the prequels are my favorite Star Wars story. It goes a lot deeper than just rehashing plot points from the originals. So much lore and story added not only to the films, but to Star Wars overall from these three films.
@@Bad_Wolf_Media Except that with the originals you have no idea whatsoever why Anakin turned to the dark side. You just have to accept it, just like you have to accept Kylo's turn to the dark. The prequels actually tell you how it happened, and flesh it out. Furthermore, the OT is about a rebellion against an Empire, yet we have no understanding whatsoever of the context. The prequels flesh out the rise of the Empire and add a lot of depth to the OT and to the stakes.
When Rey and Kylo were kissing I was like “whoa they adapted my fanfic?! Where’s the paycheck Disney?!” And then he died and I was like “THAT WAS NOT IN MY FAN FIC YOU BASTARDS.”
Yeah I absolutely agree. Couple of things I wish they would've done differently, but I'm not gonna let that ruin the movie for me. All around great movie. Solid 8/10
Dude in the USC hat is the first person online to acknowledge that Luke's arc actually started at the end of The Last Jedi. The whole part about him tapping back into the force then projecting himself on Crait is exactly inline with him catching the light saber in The Rise of Skywalker. Everyone seems to think it was a jab at Rian, but that arc was completed by Rian. JJ Abrams was an EP on The Last Jedi so he gave his blessings to the stuff that was in that movie, so he was okay with it's directionBottom line: Did stuff happen or not happen that I didn't agree with...sure it did. I didn't write it, I went to the movie to have someone tell me a story and got that. I enjoyed and loved the movie and can honestly say there were some missed opportunities as well. It's okay to like it and disagree with it at the same time. You can do both. You don't have to be one side or the other. The lady in this video represents the people going into this trilogy with hate. Hate that Disney bought Star Wars, fearing they would "Disney" it up", hate that The Force Awakens was too much like the original, hate that The Last Jedi was too much of a diversion and hate that The Rise of Skywalker was too much fan service. Basically you can't win with people like that because that way of thinking contradicts the other thinking. I am not an Avengers fan, or any comic book movie fan for that matter, so I was in the minority that I didn't pick up the similarities in Endgame because I didn't see it. For that, I enjoyed myself.
But Chewie did get a medal, he just wasn’t given it during the actual ceremony in ANH, this was referenced in the canon Chewie comic and by comments from George Lucas...Story Group and the writers fail again
I actually really liked this movie, but it felt like it was bogged down by the need to answer questions. The whole first half is almost a frantic rush to setup a movie where it makes sense to answer the questions that should've been slowly resolved since ep 8 and carried over to ep 9. At the end of the day I really enjoyed myself, but its just a shame that the through-line of these movies weren't planned out better.
Cabal97 sort of agree. But Since the original came out when I was 6- han has always been my fave. So that got me when he pops up. But then again so did Chewie getting Han’s medal. Those 3 scenes killed me
I doubt any of you actually read the comments considering.... but just wanted to say enjoyed your fun debate, I don't agree with any of you completely, but think you all argued your points well. I hope you all arn't getting too much abuse for having points of view.
The redemption was the core of the Lucas philosophy. And actually, "not getting it" basically means you haven't been paying attention to what Adam Driver has been doing for all three films.
This is a very fair assessment between the panel. Thanks for being so honest and respectful about everything- this was definitely more enjoyable to listen to than other reviews that I have found.
I don't know why people are so mad about Disney Star Wars. I've liked all the Star Wars movies. I think this is like people saying Fuller House sucks. The truth is, like everything, YOU'VE changed. Fuller House is exactly like Full House but you're a different person. A lot of the episodes are straight re-makes from Full House episodes. Think about when you re-watched a movie as adult that you watched as a kid. A lot of the time, it wasn't as funny as you remember it, or as good as you remember it, that's because your younger self was in a different mindset. Kind of like music. No one ever thinks their favorite genre of music is done justice compared to when they were younger. i.e 80s and 90s rap was miles better then the shit we have today. Ask someone about rock that grew up during the "classic rock" era. OG Star Wars is cheesy, outlandish, and not at all original. The difference is that, you're a different person and the sequel trilogy has something to be compared to. OG Star Wars didn't have anything to compare it to. This is why everyone is loving The Mandalorian, there's nothing to compare it to, but they're doing a lot the exact same things the sequel trilogy is doing. It always surprises me why people don't know this, don't understand it, or just conveniently ignore it. I enjoyed Rise of Skywalker, my daughters love Rey and having something to share with them is the biggest reward for me.
@Sui I am not attacking anyone's opinion, it's an observation hence, the examples of music and tv shows. My observation is that the story lines didn’t change for the sequel trilogy. It was all but identical, first time I saw The Force Awakens for instance, it immediately felt like A New Hope in terms of story. If the story is similar or the same, then by default, and some logic, you like the new one. But some hate it in this “updated” version? That’s a logical observation and question, not an attack. If anyone is making absolute assumptions or ad hominem attacks, it’s you. "Everyone is loving The Mandalorian, there's NOTHING to COMPARE it to, but they're doing a lot [of] the EXACT SAME THINGS the sequel trilogy is doing?" - ANSWER: Yes, The Mandalorian uses A LOT of the same plot points and story lines of OG Star Wars. Bounty Hunter is hired to retrieve a target, he grows sympathy and runs off with target. Meets new people on the way that help him. Not without running into some old questionable characters from his past. Then comes back to seemingly defeat the bad guy. Strong female characters, which I love btw, are included. On top of that, the Jedi are shown in the prequel trilogy to be the defenders of the Galaxy and now on The Mandalorian, they are somehow never heard of, and are mysterious. Yet no one is complaining about this retcon but they complain about the retcons in TROS. Now that's the definition of contradiction. “OG Star Wars is not at all original, yet it also has nothing to be compared to?” ANSWER: Yes, Science fiction, or science fantasy in the case of Star Wars was not very prevalent or popular at that time, especially in an adventure form. However, the story lines are not original. Lucas based it on the old Buck Rogers, and Flash Gordon serials. The whole Luke Skywalker journey is based on The Hero with a Thousand Faces. The droids are basically Tahei and Matashichi in robot form from The Hidden Fortress. Obi-Wan Kenobi was also based on a character from The Hidden Fortress. I can go on, but my point is that although not original, there also wasn’t any sci-fi that was done in this form, hence, nothing to compare it to at that time. “You contradict yourself a lot. And you really need to lighten up. These are Sci-Fi Fantasy movies which are not that deep, and someone's like or dislike of them are not indictive of any positive or negative character traits.” ANSWER: I’m not mad. An observation is usually a question supported by examples, as I’ve done and you haven’t. I don’t know where I contradict myself but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and explain. Furthermore, I don’t know where I am going after anyone’s character, maybe you’re taking it that way. I am not "guilting" anyone into anything as my examples support a legitimatized exploration of the human psyche. In this case, why we see and experience 2 separate things which are arguably the same in every or many ways, so differently. Moreover, what specifics cause an individual to dislike/like one character and/or prefer/like another when their journeys have been expressed in a VERY similar manner. The biggest difference between Luke and Rey are that fact that they are of the opposite gender. Yet their stories are very much the same. The rest of your comment expressed concerns which are either comments or reiterate other parts of your comment. Hope this answers your inquiries.
hullmees666 maybe he was handicapped from an unrelated incident haha. Also I like the idea of him being a true clone, with those Snokes being failed clones. But I don’t think that’s what they were getting at.
As for how Sheev Palpatine could live past a Death Star exploding... Vader threw him down and there was a force lightning storm coming back up. But, with Death Star 2 being hundreds of kilometers in radius, there's no reason to believe Palpatine had time to reach the core of the Death Star in less than 10 seconds. So he fell a few stories down, got injured by the fall and/or his own lightning and/or draining too much energy on trying to kill Luke, and then managed to get into a shuttle. Possibly with help from some loyal general or whatever. At this point, Luke had time enough to take the mask off his father, watch him die and then drag his body to a shuttle and escape, so why wouldn't Palpatine have time to escape in a shuttle if he survived the fall, and why shouldn't he survive the fall? Yes there are flaws in the last trilogy, but you are so negatively inclined that even easily explainable things are considered "unrealistic plot holes" and "fan service".
Except he seriously missed the mark about Han/Leia's relationship not being developed. They had tension between them since the first Star Wars, clear through Empire Strikes back....
@@CALISUPERSPORT I think he was just trying to prove a point that you didn't have to literally see every moment of it on the screen in order for it to be present.
@@Scrapluv Yeah but I don't blame people for having raised eyebrows at kylo and rey. This whole time it's been Finn and Rey that cared about each other. You don't make out with someone just because they saved your life, especially if you've seen them as an enemy up until 5 minutes ago.
Ironically, Dorina is the only one on this panel with the balls to call this a bad movie. Sorry guys. Couldn't resist and I couldnt dislike this film more.
"Han and leia aren't developed" The entirety of Han's interactions with Leia in empire are flirtatious, starting from the very first where he tries to gauge her reaction to him leaving. 😑
That dude is full of it. There are at least 6 scenes between Han and Leia in Empire. Each scene is a push and pull between the two as Han tries to break thru Leia's emotional defenses. It all culminates in the "I love you" scene on Cloud City. It's well developed.
Yeh just like TLJ didnt even address Luke hearing about Han's passing, he just says "wheres Han?" and thats it, on with the movie. Or just like Rey never once addressing her force vision to Luke when she touch his old lightsaber. Its things like this i find more important and should have been touch on because they greatly serve a part of the mythology and lore of this saga.
Even if I'm not a fan of her character (although I think the actress is good) it's true that plenty of lines said by others characters at the Resistance camp could have been said by Rose to hide a bit the fact that she was indeed swept under the rug... There is a difference between giving her a lesser secondary role and basicaly end each of her very few scenes with a "Mmmkay Rose, whatever" comment.
@@RaikenXion Luke goes on the Falcon, takes Han's dices and looks sad a moment before R2 comes in. I think it should have been edited righ after the "where's Han?" line, but it is the moment when the movie shows the audience Luke thinking about Han.
In a good 5-10 years the ranking of SW films will be as follows with maybe a few minor adjustments: 1. Empire Strikes Back 2. New Hope 3. Return of the Jedi 4. Revenge of the Sith 5. Rogue One 6. Force Awakens 7. Phantom Menace/Attack of the Clones 8. The last 2 SW movies (TRoS and Solo) - havent seen them never will 9. The Last Jedi Take this as you will. And yes, The Mandalorian in 2 seasons will be better than anything probably below Revenge of the Sith.
“Kathleen Kennedy is a great producer” arguments can end now. Letting two directors have a pissing contest with a billion dollar franchise and she’s a great producer? It’s clear there was No plan! A totally over the top finale that made very little sense. Still better than the last Jedi. Y’all can keep your down with the patriarchy and class issues.
Wow theatre was crying and jumping out seats when that happened. The trailer for last jedi and this trailer gave away a lot of the story such as Rey's ancestry ect
Overall I enjoyed it, but, it was SO rushed and needed to be around 3 hours long to take moments to slow down and SHOW US instead of using quick exposition to TELL US. This was enough stuff for two movies crammed into one. 6.5/10
Really, this story should have been the story of the entire sequel trilogy. Take time to flesh out all the elements so that it can breathe, develop, and make sense in a smarter way.
i feel exactly the same. would be so much more powerful if certain moments were allowed to breathe and be expanded upon. but everything needs to be cut down to a "marketable runtime." id totally watch a 3 hour star wars movie if it made things more impactful, especially the end of a saga
It's also extremely puzzling why Ben wasnt standing with his family at the end, you had him fade away for nothing at all. I mean Vader redeemed himself and his body still had to be burned
The fact that the criticisms have been all over the place only confirms what I’ve come to understand about the people that watch these movies. These movies have to be made for anyone and everyone. They’re so massive and the legacy is so incredibly multigenerational that no one is ever going to be completely satisfied, no matter if the movies try to recapture what the previous movies did well, whether it tries to take risks and appeal to new audiences, or digs deep into meta commentary about itself and how it got to where it is. It’s a dangerous no win scenario and with this being the final movie of the series, it had a task possibly more monumental than any other franchise end that came before it, MCU and Harry Potter included. Only time will tell how ROS will be regarded.
Kylo rebuilding his mask is no more "erasing" or "undoing" episode 8 than the construction of Death Star 2 is "undoing" the decision of having the Death Star blown up in episode 4. The second Death Star was built because the first one was destroyed. Kylo had his mask rebuilt because he had regrets for destroying it, and after Snoke was gone and he was Supreme Leader, he could again wear mask if he wanted to without being belittled and taunted by anyone. It is not undoing episode 8 - it is just an item that was destroyed and then rebuilt. Because Kylo was always at risk of "falling to the light side", and he needed as much of a bad guy image as possible to stay dark. If the destruction of the Death Star and then the construction of the new Death Star 2 had happened in the new trilogy, I'm sure that too would have been attributed to "retcon" and "erasing previous episodes".
I overall enjoyed the film, but at the same time completely get what everyone is saying here on both sides. And I can't get over it, Dorina is a dream boat, "I don wanna do it." lol
He is not alone. She is too over-the-top. Just critique it without all of the ridiculous vitriol. Watch I bet a week from now Riley will complain about "toxic" fans in the chat, as though there is no cause and effect.
The more I analyze the movie, the less I like it. It was enjoyable I had a good time, but the ending is anticlimatic and there are a lot of problems, inconsistencies and at the end it´s just meh.
"Rey being nobody" in episode 8 but being a Palpatine i 9 is no more "erasing" or "undoing" episode 8 than the "NO, I AM YOUR FATHER" scene in episode 5 was undoing episode 4 when Luke's father was a jedi that was betrayed and murdered by Vader. Had this happened in episodes 8 and 9 it would have been blamed on "not having a master plan for the trilogy". Dark secrets are kept and then revealed in plot twists in both cases. The signs were there all along, with Rey's stabbing style with the light saber, her impatience and hotheaded temperament, her affinity for the dark side, her extreme force sensitivity despite not being a Skywalker (written off as "Mary Sue" and bad writing), and her mysterious past and parents being mentioned many times. It is not retcon.
And the fact is that in the Star Wars universe, heritage is important. It baffles me that some of the reviewers in the video (long-time Star Wars fans) have missed this completely. Force sensitivity and affinity for the dark or light side are passed down through generations and families, and it is ultimately the family saga of Anakin Skywalker and his descendants. The physical (force) power of family is extremely important, so when Rey was told that she was "nobody", this didn't make sense as she was so force sensitive. Luke thought this was odd and asked her "who ARE you"? He was afraid of her, both because of his failure with Ben Skywalker, but also because he sensed the dark side in her. This is also why Luke acted out-of-character and thew the light saber away - he had given in to fear and regret on that island and was in a dark place (both mentally and in terms of the force). He feared Rey and especially that he sensed the dark side in her. As a Force ghost (being One With The Force), Luke was back to his normal self and was no longer a prisoner of his own fear. Yet, Rey's lineage was always vital to the plot of episodes 7, 8, and 9. She clearly wasn't a Skywalker, but it was quite early clear that her parents and bloodlines were extremely important. This is a major theme in the Star Wars universe and not fan service to bring Palpatine back. This is not retcon or a plothole - it would have been a plothole if she truly was the daughter of random non-force-sensitive family heritage and just happened to be extremely lucky in fighting Snoke's guards. "In my experience there is no such thing as luck". - Ben Kenobi.
When Kylo made the decision to change, Adam Driver was amazing in his portrayal of Kylo no longer being conflicted. I remember seeing his face and it stopped me. I thought "wow, he looks younger and at peace". I'm sure that's partially make up and effects and partially the performance but I believed the transition. The relief he felt. One of the most memorable scenes for me
Yeah, very human again.
Well, you've got Adam "soon-to-be-Oscar-winner" Driver in the part. Of course it's great!
Adam Driver is an amazing actor!! His face is so impressively expressive, about the only thing I liked about the movie 😔
Terranoid Laboratories well he said “ow” when he jumped down into the tomb thing at Exegol so... yeah I guess
His musical theme changed to a heroic one as well. Loved that.
Agree with Dennis. Lawrence Kasdan should have written the whole sequel trilogy.
Doesn’t matter who directs the movies. But so important to have the same writer across the whole trilogy.
Agree lets hope Disney learnt a valuable lesson and not make the same mistake with their next trilogy.
L Kasden co-wrote Solo with his son which bombed & lot fandom hate.
I personally like Solo, 2nd best SW movie after Rouge One under Disney banner.
This I do agree with regarding hiring the same writers for a trilogy.
@@darthwint3823 I loved Moulin Rouge One!
Kasdan is vastly over rated and after Solo he should never be allowed near star wars again. Plus trilogies suck. They should all be standalone stories to avoid ruining any one part of the story.
I live in Saudi Arabia, we didn't have a kiss, we had a hug 🤣
Zavi13 that probably would’ve been better
Wow, I wanna see it this way.
That honestly might fit better!
wow they conser kissing scenes on cinema? That's sad
Zavi13 I think he’s talking about he LGTB part guys
Side note: we didn’t learn anything new about the Knights of Ren.
Trevor Estrada who? Lol
Captain Phasma all over again sad sad
We learned that they use non lethal weapons. They hit Kylo Ren multiple times before he got the lightsaber.
Glorified Stormtroopers/fodder
Big facts. They are trash.
My thoughts are: I enjoyed the film because I wanted to. I didn't enjoy TLJ because I kept trying to figure out what was going on and for what reasons. This time, I just went in and enjoyed a fast paced space adventure and have zero energy to poke through the obvious holes and leaps in logic. I just enjoyed a Star Wars movie for what it was.
Same here. I feel like I was allowing my adult mind and cynicism to take away what I love about the movies. As a kids I loved star wars because it was a fun space western with some philosophy in it. I too spent time on theory and what not going into the last jedi. This time I went on media black out and enjoyed it like when I Frist saw the original trilogy after renting them from my library as a kids. I walked out of this film with a big grin. It's the final film in the saga is a little fan service really not called for?
@@allancarter The nostalgia is 100% called for because its supposed to tie everything together. Or at least that was the intention. So absolutely we need those call backs.
@@acumenlfc638 I totally agree. I felt the love for star wars and that's what's important.
Yep. Star Wars have always been popcorn flicks. I don't understand people wanting or expecting anything more than that. I've enjoyed this entire trilogy due to this mindset instead of expecting more than what Star Wars was ever capable of giving us.
Trash?
Small point but Han on the DS is not Han, it’s Kylo talking to his own memory/conscience. That’s what sold the redemption to me. It was his OWN decision, not someone telling him to turn.
Exactly. There's lots of little things like that they seemed to miss.
Thank God, I found 2 people here who were able to understand at least the basics of this film. I honestly think a lot of people went in already determined to feel a certain way, or preconceived ideas of what should or should not hapoen in the film, prior to going to view it.
Han LITERALLY tells Ren that he's in his head.
I felt the same!
@@Rob-zz4qj Here's a thing all you seem to miss though... at the very beginning of the video Rocha says " please don't comment until you watch the whole video...." Riley literally says what you guys are saying that it was a memory, otherwise he would have walked out lmao. that happens in THIS VIDEO. come on guys
I liked Kylo-Ben’s arc up until the point where he died.
Exactly why did they kill the last Skywalker
synaps DVA because it’s the end of the skywalker saga
Wasted interesting character.
I was saddened by that but i was willing to forgive it, had he reappeared as a force ghost. But he didnt. And i am still very sad and unsatisfied.
It's cause he mirrors anakin but anakin ultimately killed his loved one whereas Ben saved his loved one
Can’t believe that Rey gave up the chance to be the senate.
Darth Sidious was the Senate, why would she want to follow that guy's footsteps?
@@AnnaP-vw4yw lolz
i am the senate...
It's seems like they need to watch the movie again. When Leia reached out to Kylo that didn't turn him. It distracted him. Its only after Rey heals him instead of leaving him to die, the mercy she shows him, the example shesets in refusing to embrace darkness, that convinces him to let go of the darkness himself.
And his father.
@@Sentuhment He hated his father for whatever reason.
That was deep
Ok thank you. I kept thinking that I blacked out when Leia "spoke" to Kylo. It was Rey that turned him after he tried to turn her so many times.
@@RaikenXion At that moment, he didn't hate his father. Kylo said, "Dad." And Han replied with his famous, "I know." Because he knew the words Kylo wanted to say, which was "I love you." It was the combination of Leia calling out to him and dying, Rey showing mercy and healing him, and his father speaking to him that caused him to turn back to the light.
Adam driver is such amazing actor. I can feel what he feels.
it's the force.
How come the Anakin force ghost never appeared in any if the last 3 episodes when his grandson was obsessed with him?
He was obsessed with Vader, not Anakin.
Also, the RoS explains that actual reason.
Sesi Ancient Hybrid I saw it once, will you explain which part? I know palp was the voice in his head, and perhaps dark side users cannot see force ghosts but why wouldn’t Anakin appear to him before he turned or after he turned back?
Sesi Ancient Hybrid I agree Anakin didn’t appear because Ben wasn’t looking for him he was looking to Vader.
I believe Anakin should have been the one to turn Kylo to the light. Saying that it was a mistake turning to the darkside as it doesn't offer what you seek
I thought this too. After a bit of thinking I felt that his father and their complicated relationship and the healing that happened was important to his redemption. Think about it Ben never met Anakin he worshipped the idea of Vader but only through his legend. If Anakin showed up as a ghost he wouldn't have know Immediately who he was (Wich they could have worked with) Han wasn't a ghost he was just in Ben's thoughts as he struggled. Just seems more personal son and father.
That’s an interesting idea.
Exactly he should have spoke to kylo instead of Han
Maybe do it before he joins the literal slayer of billions faction, not after the fact. But also no. They destroyed everyone else's character at least they forgot Anakin was an option and stayed untouched.
How are people OK with Disney just undoing the end of the Original Trilogy? Luke didn't save the Galaxy and Anakin didn't restore balance to the Force? WTH.. how is that even acceptable?
Lucky Plays I agree I liked the movie besides this. It sort of ruins all of Star Wars for me. Like these are movies about Anakin being the chosen one and he fulfilled his destiny, you can’t just undo that
He did restore balance but who said it had to last this is how the star wars universe works if either light or dark tip the balance to far one way the force will create a way for it to balance , if you see how the jedi used to live on two planets one dark and one light and if they tipped the balance to far one way they had to go to the planet that was opposite to which way they were off balance so they could even it out
She was fueled by ALL OF THE FORCE Itself!!
@@JP-it9vc Unnacceptable CONDITIONS UNACCEPTABLE! CONDITIONS!
All of the commenters here in this thread all make great valid points to me. I know how you feel about Anakin and Luke. I think that will always be an issue if and when you bring The Emperor back. No matter how I feel about the movie, The Emperor return would always have an issue with the previous installments, no matter how it is set executed, etc. The people are already complaining about fan service now, those same idiots would have jumped up and walked out if Anakin and Luke appeared at Rey's confrontation. So, J.J. did the right thing (considering how he brought the Emperor back and ended him). As people have problems nowadays with Canon and Legend materials trying into the Films, as now the time ins are referred to as fan sevices.
I finally get where RLM's Need Crew came from
REALLY COOL
8:40 They did explain why Kylo was so angry. His parents handed him off to Luke to be trained at a young age. The whole time, Snoke/Palpatine is corrupting his mind, but he has no clue what is going on. All he knows is that Luke was prepared to murder him in his sleep, he felt betrayed, like he couldn't trust anyone. And his parents sent him away for this to happen. Of course the poor guy is going to be ripped to shreds and angry at the world. I think Kylo was one of the only characters that had a clear and deep arc throughout all 3 films. The only character that both directors seemed to be on the same page about.
This ☝
This doesn’t explain why Leia didn’t talk to him through the force about what happened right after it happened. And btw the “poor guy” didn’t understand anything when Palpatine said that he had been every voice he had ever heard inside his head. Should he not reconsider the situation with Luke and generally his goals as a Sith?
And after TLJ no one cared enough lol
If force ghosts can interact with inanimate objects...why don't they just all grab lightsabers and attack the emperor?
DJ Valentine maybe only luke can and it might be because of planet she was on (sorry im sleepy so I forgot the name)
Why didn't Yoda throw lightning back at the Emperor if he can light a tree on fire... lol
Obi Wan sits on a log and moves some branches. This isn't new.
same logic as to why in religions there are ghosts that supposedly move objects but don't continue interacting fully in the material world. That's where they got that from. Don't blame Star Wars universe rules, blame the rules of world religions it took inspiration from.
I wonder if they couldn't because they're blocked by the dark side, or something like that. In ESB, Obi-Wan tells Luke that he cannot interfere. Maybe he wouldn't be able to appear. We haven't seen force ghosts appear "physically" in the presence of the dark side.
Leia didn’t redeem Ben when she calls his name. It’s because he felt her dying. This is why he stops what he does and this gives Rey an opening to stab him. It wasn’t until she started healing him that he starts to realize his mistakes. he has lost the ones he loved and was saved by the one he cares about. He’s been haunted by Hans death and now he’s lost both his parents and the memory of Han is a reflection of his mistake
Booooooooom! You win the internet today
he was already dark before he killed Solo. so essentially the source of his anger was not resolved
@@ahmedgamea4535 the luke scenario ill grant you because the emperor was so called "defenseless" that moment. i dont recall the emperor pushing for mace windu. anakin struck windu so he could save palpatine and the knowledge to save padme. you might be thinking of count dooku
Wow, Spencer Ackerman. It's truly amazing how we both watched the exact same movie but somehow we came away with completely different takes/feelings on that scene. I'm sorry to tell you, but you have this "The Rise of Skywalker" scene. Completely wrong.
What's really happening in this scene is Kylo Ren/Ben Solo is being redeemed by his mother Princess Leia. Also, Kylo stopped his fight with Rey because of the Force connection that his mother Leia had initiated. Kylo wasn't sensing his mother coming death. What Kylo was sensing was his mother "Princess Leia" trying one last time...A final attempt to bring back her son Ben Solo. Bring him back to the Light-Side of the Force.
Age Mycek yea i agree but hes not redeemed just because she says his name. Its a culmination of what we both said. All i was trying to say is “leia just saying his name redeemed ben”. Thats what the people on the panel are complaining about. Leia resching out to ben, rey saying she would have taken bens hand, and the memory of his father all help him see that hes not truly alone and that people care about him. The fact that leia died made him realize both his parents are now gone and thats part of the reason the han memory is triggered
There was an easy fix for this. A two-part finale. Harry Potter did it. Hunger Games did it. Fix Last Jedi with the first film and then ram it home on the finale.
nah because then you would be complaining that Disney is pushing more of the cash cow.
This was not necessary if TLJ didn’t ruin the middle chapter. I’m glad they didn’t split it into 2, the entire movie worked for me and retconning ep 8 makes me so happy
Even Avengers did it with Infinity War & Endgame. Films that can be watched back to back
@@MarvelousMusicmmusic then people would be criticizing of how Star Wars is trying to be Marvel...... stop
@@MK-oz2lf how when Harry Potter did it? Marvel didn't create 2 part endings and I don't think the average person is retarded enough to think that
Rian Johnson made Hux a complete fool that J.J. had to kill him. I was fine with it because they had to get rid of him. It also made General Pryde seem more in control and intelligent.
Brent Sabatini I think general pryde should have been in this since the beginning. He was great. Could’ve been the connection to Palp all along
Hizo was always a fool. Last Jedi set up Kylo as the main antagonist and Rise discarded that in favor of a much less interesting villain.
I was so happy Riley mentioned Kylo not pulling the trigger
I missed it....
Amen!
Oh my god... he didn’t get a medal... he got a memento...
Thank You!!!
in short, Star Wars as a whole can be described in two words: imperfect joy. and that is how I felt with ROS, I really enjoyed it.
the best comment here... i always hated Ewoks, freaking teddy bears destroying elite Empire stormtroopers?... but hey, there are tons of other things that you may like or dont like.... its not perfect but we are there for a ride, always
Last point Adam driver is so damn good in this.
Eric Smith dude yes
Best acting performance from all the Star Wars films
Eric Smith He made the turn believable IMO.
Agreed, and so is Daisy Ridley, great performances by both
Yeah, he was really fucking good. The moment between him and Han might have been my favourite thing in the movie.
Chewy was given the medal that belonged to Hans. big difference.
The Rise of Skywalker is what happens when you crowdsource the plot.
There's some good parts but it's like a hearty chicken soup with big noodles and vegetables but the broth is urine.
Galva Tron exactly
@@stillsober19 Y'all wilding.
DeathStarKitty ur analogy sucks your not Clever
@@iansmart4158 You're a bot
Well said.
There's zero KARKING excuse why military grade weapons and wpd can't tear through a armada of civilian ships
Civilian ships that had no idea what they were facing.
No reason as to how the Star destroyers literally THOUSANDS of them are being destroyed so easily..?
Why doesn’t the Emperor”s Force storm instantaneously destroy those ships instead of giving em a huge EMP wave..that was cool shit , it happens in legends and EU. The Emperor can conjure Force storms..in the movie, it was spectacular effects but it being an EMP wave ,was eh...
I loved how a magnificent fleet of thousands of star destroyers were destroyed in 3 minutes. Final battle was underwhelming
Superheroes_Sodding_Handsome it’s fiction man your over thinking it u could go back and find these issues in the original trilogy.
@@SuperKing604 facts superking
RoS made me feel like watching my parents go through a divorce while being shown pictures of happier times.
that's the reality of war.
Wow. You just compared watching a movie to watching your parents divorce. Maybe you’re use of that simile was trying to be comedy. I hope so. Otherwise I really feel sad for you.
Reagan Weatherford
what simile?
Aw, a rewritten take on "Star Wars ruined my Childhood". Sounds just as stupid as it did in 2002.
Anakin wanted to save people from dying and Kylo did that in the end so tha'ts kinda neat.
Kinda makes you wonder why he wasn’t taught force heal though. Like his whole reason for turning to the dark side was to learn the ability to save people from dying because he was tortured by visions of padme dying in child birth. (Little did he know that she was gonna die because of his actions) And sidious used that to tempt him with power. But if he had been taught the force heal ability he would have no motivation to turn since he’d already have that security over padme’s life. Anakin is definitely powerful enough to do it and yoda should know this ability too. Seems like they just pulled this out of their ass to do something new. Just thoughts I have on this ability.
Perfect connection to old movies. The force heal thing is crazy but I feel like the only way kylo could bring rey back was because of their dyad connection
Honestly they should’ve had JJ Abrams just do the entire trilogy.
The ending of 8, as shit as it was, was better than the crap we got in 9.
Obi-Wan Kenobi he’s not great at answering the questions he set up. J.J. stumbles on the follow through
Rian Johnson should have done the whole trilogy
SN2903 Yeah they should’ve had one director for the whole trilogy or at least had everything planned and written out before they released TFA.
Han solo was a memory, not force ghost
stars1836 I saw it as a hallucination brought on by a near death experience
Leia used the last of her strength to project Hans "appearance" into Ben's memory to turn him back to the light. That's why she dies/transforms into a force ghost.
@@drsavage3262 She died before that.
@@drsavage3262 correct
Dr Nate She just reached out to his feeling so Rey could kill him. Han was a memory projected by Kylo himself
Its was Hans medal. I thougr it was obvious, but seems the panel missed that point entirely
Critics arent the fans
Exactly bro! Thank you for bringing this up. Some of these idiots just want to hate on this movie in order to justify their film degrees.
George Lucas says he regretted not giving Chewie an award in the first Star wars.
My eyes nearly rolled out of my head...so frickin unnecessary
By watching the movie how do we know it's Han's medal? I'm reading that everywhere, so wondering if you're just spreading the message or if I missed something in the movie. I really hope this is not some wookiepedia entry.
Adam Driver after the kiss, amazing acting to see the joy in his eyes and face being back. So good I that moment.
When he smiled, he was so happy 😭😭 and then he kicked the bucket 😒😒😒
BEN SHOULD HAVE BEEN A GHOST AT THE END
Brie Larson according to Disney not redeemable enough...
I was waiting for that and was sad when it didn't happen
When he fell over my theater broke into laughter.
Solo or Kenobi?
MattAlbie awe omg😂
Sheesh Dorina.. don't you remember Luke realized he was wrong by the end of Last Jedi and he did return to his positive self. Remember the speech he gave Kylo... "amazing. Every word of what you said was wrong..."
TROS is terrible... but I guess you can keep trying to defend it...
@@dontworry7440 Oh, it's not an opinion, it's literal fact!
The reason the Mandalorian feels so different from TROS is simple - Mandalorian is being made by people who LOVE Star Wars, it's being made by people who are dedicated to telling new stories and expanding a universe rather than just rehashing what's already been told. TROS is a fun experience to look at and initially experience, but beyond heart-wrenching nostalgia, it has very little to offer emotionally. Mandalorian makes you feel, spending time to hash out characters and relationships. Hopefully going forward they put people at the helm of Star Wars that genuinely care about creating new content and new stories. Very excited about the future of Mandalorian and especially the Obi-Wan series, considering Chow is at the helm. Maybe Star Wars TV shows are the future of the franchise?
Oh, come ON! I enjoy The Mandalorian but almost all it is is lazy fan service. It borrows the most common tropes of the western genre and relies on references to the OT to make fans happy in a cheap way. What about when they go back to Tatooine, AND Mos Eisley AND the cantina AND the booth where Han shot Greedo? You call that original? Of course the ST has similarities to the OT but it is much more original than The Mandalorian.
@@matthewmartinson3604 just like OT borrowed from Kurosawa but RJ stan away he was just SOME GUY they got to do Star Wars and him and JJ and KK fucked it up
The nostalgia they were going for, is for people who saw the original trilogy at the cinema and had a lasting impression. I am in the group that watch them on VHS etc. and have loved star wars watching it many times since. When you have seen it so many times. What sticks with you are the characters. The rest is icing on the cake. JJ has put icing on a half baked cake.
Well if YOU say so then must be true eh
MrSwitchblade327 it’s a thing called “having an opinion”
Chewy was given Leia's medal as an heirloom, that wasn't a medal for Chewy...
She had none. I think it was Han's...since he never got one. But it alledgidly is canon via comic...
I think it's just a bit of both
I've heard people say it was Han's medal
It was Hans medal. I thought that was pretty obvious. But the panel missed that point entirely
Where is your evidence its Han's medal? Stop saying it as fact when you have nothing to back that up. Until we know, its nothing more then speculation
Yep I cried at the Han scene and that’s it
Victor Serge me too!!!
The whole plot of the movie felt rushed. Trying to fit in a lot of plot threads. It would have been better if the Rise of Skywalker was split into two movies.
I've said this....it was rushed because they had 2 hours missing because of rian Johnson's TLJ....had JJ done that he could have built things up better
Honestly, they talk about these movies like they're Citizen Kane....please.
we are living in the age of man children who take popcorn flicks way to seriously
We must bow down to Disney. They are our overlords
Was nice to see Wedge back, but was too brief unfortunately
So brief I missed it apparently
russell22w saw that. Most wont notice
Spectacularly pointless, I just don’t know why they felt to need to add it in.
Michael Jamieson fan service
it was nice, but i think they timed it wrong, because snaps died just before he showed up, and thats his step son
The reason the Emperor is in ROSW and the execution of it was like Blofeld's reveal in Spectre.
Sadly Collider no longer follow Canon or Legends. I've been trying to explain ad nauseum that connecting lore is not bad fan service.
All that fan service and no Anakin force ghost smh
I know I am in shock he wasn't in it.
That was the biggest let down for me
@@JeremyHartson2000 They also never explained the knights of ren or where mas got the lightsaber
It was filmed, it was cut though, along with all the scenes George helped on storywise.
Hopefully he is in the obi-wan series. It seems a lot of people like the movie but man, I just can't get behind it
I am truly fascinated at how much Star Wars gets criticized for plot holes and Mary Sue’s, and marvel movies always gets a pass. I don’t think I’ll ever understand it.
Marvel is more of a popcorn "have a fun time type of movie" people do criticise them for the reasons you stated but they are generally loved for being fun films
With start wars, people expect something else, we expect a good story, characters and themes.
The sequel trilogy and prequel trilogy have been criticised for not having any of those things.
Now you know.
Amen
TRUUUEEE
Khalil Hines yes but they’ve always struggled with those points (outside of the original trilogy perhaps, particularly empire, which has things people have picked apart as well). None of these films are perfect and my point is, marvel movies have very similar audiences and they are both big popcorn action movies, made for kids - yet they still get treated differently in terms of expectations. I get that Star Wars is supposed to be different - perhaps more sophisticated, but are they really? They are high fantasy movies, with characters with incredible magical powers, with massive production budgets made for massive wide audiences. In the end, they are not THAT different, yet SW gets a different standard. I see plot holes and plot armor issues and Mary Sue’s all day every day and still people are like, 100% rotten tomatoes!
The problem with this trilogy was that there was no vision and consistency
“Luke is a Jedi. You’re his father.”
Anyone else feel like the lack of character development and the fact that the plot was rushed is because Rian Johnson didn’t follow up on anything from force awakens?
Vince Lipari Luke is also his uncle. That line always bugged me.
Keri Russell looked like a power ranger.
Finally, someone said it!
She's Daft Punk's sister
100%
I feel like seeing the mandalorian before watching this movie allows you to accept force heal a little better
Michael T yep
Lol, when I seen that, I thought to myself, baby Yoda did that first
Still lowers the stakes soo much that I felt no danger or a sense of anxeity for these characters. Passing weapons to each other across space and time is also anothet plot armor device.
I mean now even if they make an old republic trilogy I'll be expecting that crap or I'll at least I'll be going like why can't they force heal their friends or pass each othet a saber in that moment they got surrounded by the enemy.
Yeah, but it also lowered tge stakes for our heroes. Still had fun though.
I can accept new force abilities like force heal. What i cant accept is just how quickly it takes characters out of nowhere to learn and teach themselves such abilities. I just miss the "Master/Student" thing of Star Wars, thats always been a important part of the mythos to me.
Can a movie be entertaining AND a hot mess at the same time? After seeing IX I’d would have to say yes.
Flying Filipino prequels 😎
Keith kodd 🤔 maybe revenge of the sith, but I’d rather get a colonoscopy than sit through phantom and clone wars again.
That is exactly what I thought. Fun and entertaining but wow what a complete mess and practically breaks Star Wars.
I agree. Although I don’t understand what you mean when you put the word “hot” in front of it.
Totally on marks side, I’m 48 and watched every Star Wars in cinema. They don’t need to explain everything. I’ve had 42 years of it. I love this movie. It’s defo fan service but wow!!!!
Dj easyp im a year older and loved it. Even Han Memory ghost got me. When you hear Harrison say “hey kid” I got goosebumps before he came into frame. A lot of fan service- but you know what? For 42 years I’ve been a fan. My kids for 20 years. All the money on all the toys and merchandise for 40 years? I’ll take the fan service and smile. Love your comment.
That's the difference i guess with people that want good movies versus people that just look at movies on a surface level
Hey I’m a younger person myself. I’m kinda one of those kids who grew up on The Clone Wars, The Force Awakens was the first liveaction Star Wars movie I saw in the theater. I really enjoyed all three sequel trilogy films, (and obviously I’m a little biased, but) I think I’m the “younger generation” that these movies are supposed to be impacting. I just wanted to say that I think Dennis’ comments on my generation- and the prequel generation- were a little misguided. I know some people don’t get the same enjoyment out of the original trilogy as they did back in 1977-83 but I just don’t think that’s how the kids who grew up on prequels or sequels view the saga. The kids who grew up on the prequels see the series as a 6 film saga, and I see it as a 9 film saga, and I have love for every movie in the franchise because I grew up on every movie in the franchise. I just wanted to give my take from the perspective of my demographic :)
Well said. I am of the older generation, and so I think it is damn great that we shut up telling others how they feel. We would all do better by listening. Thanks for your take.
Just facts, but there are more people alive who grew up with the OT and prequels than there are like you.
Sesi Ancient Hybrid Yes!!! Thank you very much!
Logan Ferguson I do not disagree one bit. I think the original trilogy has impacted pop culture way more than anything Star Wars has since, and really changed cinema forever. I think the only thing my generation has that’s even remotely similar is the MCU, as far as relevance and sheer size of the fanbase. Although the MCU is also ironically heavily inspired by the original trilogy, so, yea. I agree.
Kaden Downs this is a GREAT take. Grew up on the Prequels. Love all of the movies! Definitely view the films as a 9 movie saga
So were not even going to mention Fin being Force sensitive?
That was so rediculous, and unexplained. He might as well be fighting with a lightsaber in the movie
I didn't even really realize until my second viewing, I can see how they missed it.
@@markrestua1276 How is it ridiculous? It was set up in the Force Awakens.
It made sense to me, he was able to hear the cries of the victims of starkiller base in tfa, and it neatly explains how he was able to resist the stormtrooper programming.
@@genocidejack1208 yea I like it, it also helped explain why he could kinda hold his own for a moment against kylo at the end of tfa.
Y'all trippin the prequels were important
The Lookout Team absolutely
They were important. They were still poorly done though.
Not even a little bit. I'm not saying they're trash. They're entertainment, and that's all that really matters. But everything important in them was covered in the original trilogy: Anakin Skywalker was already a great pilot when Obi-Wan met him, then he became a Jedi and fought in the Clone Wars before betraying the Jedi and falling to the Dark Side, becoming more machine than man. That's it. That's what was important over those three films.
Anyone can have their opinion, but the prequels are my favorite Star Wars story. It goes a lot deeper than just rehashing plot points from the originals. So much lore and story added not only to the films, but to Star Wars overall from these three films.
@@Bad_Wolf_Media Except that with the originals you have no idea whatsoever why Anakin turned to the dark side. You just have to accept it, just like you have to accept Kylo's turn to the dark. The prequels actually tell you how it happened, and flesh it out. Furthermore, the OT is about a rebellion against an Empire, yet we have no understanding whatsoever of the context. The prequels flesh out the rise of the Empire and add a lot of depth to the OT and to the stakes.
When Rey and Kylo were kissing I was like “whoa they adapted my fanfic?! Where’s the paycheck Disney?!” And then he died and I was like “THAT WAS NOT IN MY FAN FIC YOU BASTARDS.”
Dorina says "it's not the story, but its execution." - but then argues against all the story points brought up?... so which is it?
complains about not having a point yet she cant even stick to her points and is all over the place lol
She lost me when she thought Han Solo was force ghost.
Shes clueless
She literally never says that sentence she says "it's not the message it's the execution" jackass lol
Pleasantly surprised with this movie - I get the gripes but I really enjoyed it.
Yeah I absolutely agree. Couple of things I wish they would've done differently, but I'm not gonna let that ruin the movie for me. All around great movie. Solid 8/10
@@coltonbuckley1630 Yikes. It hit some great notes but the Story is Nonsense. 6/10.
Andrew Sprague 6/10? Why did you dislike it so much?
Herhsey Ford no reason? Just gonna cry and say it was trash? Lol
Herhsey Ford I thought the story was good. I could see where you're coming from though. To each their own 🤷♂️
Did anyone else feel like JJ, Chris Terrio, and the editor were on cocaine while making this movie?
I felt like I was on cocaine watching this movie :)
They were on DMT for sure
Joel Bryant the first 30-45 minutes felt like someone made a UA-cam edit of the movie and cut out about half of it. Horrible
👏👏👏👏👏
Yes. It was made for the ADHD crowd.
Lesson: Write out the base of the Trilogy beginning to end then go from there.
I think Andrew Stanton, who did WALL•E, could make an amazing Star Wars movie.
Dude in the USC hat is the first person online to acknowledge that Luke's arc actually started at the end of The Last Jedi. The whole part about him tapping back into the force then projecting himself on Crait is exactly inline with him catching the light saber in The Rise of Skywalker. Everyone seems to think it was a jab at Rian, but that arc was completed by Rian. JJ Abrams was an EP on The Last Jedi so he gave his blessings to the stuff that was in that movie, so he was okay with it's directionBottom line: Did stuff happen or not happen that I didn't agree with...sure it did. I didn't write it, I went to the movie to have someone tell me a story and got that. I enjoyed and loved the movie and can honestly say there were some missed opportunities as well. It's okay to like it and disagree with it at the same time. You can do both. You don't have to be one side or the other. The lady in this video represents the people going into this trilogy with hate. Hate that Disney bought Star Wars, fearing they would "Disney" it up", hate that The Force Awakens was too much like the original, hate that The Last Jedi was too much of a diversion and hate that The Rise of Skywalker was too much fan service. Basically you can't win with people like that because that way of thinking contradicts the other thinking. I am not an Avengers fan, or any comic book movie fan for that matter, so I was in the minority that I didn't pick up the similarities in Endgame because I didn't see it. For that, I enjoyed myself.
But Chewie did get a medal, he just wasn’t given it during the actual ceremony in ANH, this was referenced in the canon Chewie comic and by comments from George Lucas...Story Group and the writers fail again
If it wasn't in the movie, then it doesn't count. Sorry, but some comic/comments after the fact is just a retcon.
I think it’s actually Han’s medal bud
I think it might actually be Luke’s that Han sold to pay off his tab with Maz...you think I’m joking...no, that’s a thing they did
I actually really liked this movie, but it felt like it was bogged down by the need to answer questions. The whole first half is almost a frantic rush to setup a movie where it makes sense to answer the questions that should've been slowly resolved since ep 8 and carried over to ep 9. At the end of the day I really enjoyed myself, but its just a shame that the through-line of these movies weren't planned out better.
I need a Babu Frik spin-off series.
BABU FRIK is the coolest🤘🏾
Team up with Baby Yoda.
Honestly the best part of the movie, he's my new salacious crumb
Weh-heey!
Terranoid Laboratories featuring Chopper himself, of course??
The most emotional scene was with Chewy reacting to leia's death.
Cabal97 sort of agree. But Since the original came out when I was 6- han has always been my fave. So that got me when he pops up. But then again so did Chewie getting Han’s medal. Those 3 scenes killed me
Meh
That's the only scene that tugged at my heartstrings
I doubt any of you actually read the comments considering.... but just wanted to say enjoyed your fun debate, I don't agree with any of you completely, but think you all argued your points well. I hope you all arn't getting too much abuse for having points of view.
You rock Martyn
@@cellorojo awww ta :) you do to!
it's not "oh my mom called me so i'm gonna be good now", it's "my mom gave her life for me in her last and ultimate gesture of love"
uGoPaul This one gets it
Yep!
Thank you for saying the obvious that no one on the panel understands.
Larry Parr everyone underestimates the power of a mother’s love 💕
The redemption was the core of the Lucas philosophy.
And actually, "not getting it" basically means you haven't been paying attention to what Adam Driver has been doing for all three films.
So true. You said it just great. Redemption and sacrifice the core of Lucas' vision.
@@crisimi lol the entire ST is against lucas' vision. they literally threw his drafts in the trash.
Three out of four of them liked it yet the whole hour was basically everyone talking about what was wrong with it. That should tell you something.
Quality doesn't equate to enjoyment and vice versa
i personally fucking love star wars
I could spend all day talking about how many issues the prequels have, but I still find them fun to watch.
matt mattt Yes, these are my people! I just love Star Wars... all the time.
I liked it. It had flaws, but this felt like starwars to me. Thank you for ending the movie well!!!!!!!!
This is a very fair assessment between the panel. Thanks for being so honest and respectful about everything- this was definitely more enjoyable to listen to than other reviews that I have found.
it was very civil and balanced!
I agree with you.
I don't know why people are so mad about Disney Star Wars. I've liked all the Star Wars movies.
I think this is like people saying Fuller House sucks. The truth is, like everything, YOU'VE changed. Fuller House is exactly like Full House but you're a different person. A lot of the episodes are straight re-makes from Full House episodes. Think about when you re-watched a movie as adult that you watched as a kid. A lot of the time, it wasn't as funny as you remember it, or as good as you remember it, that's because your younger self was in a different mindset.
Kind of like music. No one ever thinks their favorite genre of music is done justice compared to when they were younger. i.e 80s and 90s rap was miles better then the shit we have today. Ask someone about rock that grew up during the "classic rock" era.
OG Star Wars is cheesy, outlandish, and not at all original. The difference is that, you're a different person and the sequel trilogy has something to be compared to. OG Star Wars didn't have anything to compare it to. This is why everyone is loving The Mandalorian, there's nothing to compare it to, but they're doing a lot the exact same things the sequel trilogy is doing. It always surprises me why people don't know this, don't understand it, or just conveniently ignore it.
I enjoyed Rise of Skywalker, my daughters love Rey and having something to share with them is the biggest reward for me.
@Sui I am not attacking anyone's opinion, it's an observation hence, the examples of music and tv shows. My observation is that the story lines didn’t change for the sequel trilogy. It was all but identical, first time I saw The Force Awakens for instance, it immediately felt like A New Hope in terms of story. If the story is similar or the same, then by default, and some logic, you like the new one. But some hate it in this “updated” version? That’s a logical observation and question, not an attack. If anyone is making absolute assumptions or ad hominem attacks, it’s you.
"Everyone is loving The Mandalorian, there's NOTHING to COMPARE it to, but they're doing a lot [of] the EXACT SAME THINGS the sequel trilogy is doing?" - ANSWER: Yes, The Mandalorian uses A LOT of the same plot points and story lines of OG Star Wars. Bounty Hunter is hired to retrieve a target, he grows sympathy and runs off with target. Meets new people on the way that help him. Not without running into some old questionable characters from his past. Then comes back to seemingly defeat the bad guy. Strong female characters, which I love btw, are included. On top of that, the Jedi are shown in the prequel trilogy to be the defenders of the Galaxy and now on The Mandalorian, they are somehow never heard of, and are mysterious. Yet no one is complaining about this retcon but they complain about the retcons in TROS. Now that's the definition of contradiction.
“OG Star Wars is not at all original, yet it also has nothing to be compared to?” ANSWER: Yes, Science fiction, or science fantasy in the case of Star Wars was not very prevalent or popular at that time, especially in an adventure form. However, the story lines are not original. Lucas based it on the old Buck Rogers, and Flash Gordon serials. The whole Luke Skywalker journey is based on The Hero with a Thousand Faces. The droids are basically Tahei and Matashichi in robot form from The Hidden Fortress. Obi-Wan Kenobi was also based on a character from The Hidden Fortress. I can go on, but my point is that although not original, there also wasn’t any sci-fi that was done in this form, hence, nothing to compare it to at that time.
“You contradict yourself a lot. And you really need to lighten up. These are Sci-Fi Fantasy movies which are not that deep, and someone's like or dislike of them are not indictive of any positive or negative character traits.” ANSWER: I’m not mad. An observation is usually a question supported by examples, as I’ve done and you haven’t. I don’t know where I contradict myself but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and explain. Furthermore, I don’t know where I am going after anyone’s character, maybe you’re taking it that way.
I am not "guilting" anyone into anything as my examples support a legitimatized exploration of the human psyche. In this case, why we see and experience 2 separate things which are arguably the same in every or many ways, so differently. Moreover, what specifics cause an individual to dislike/like one character and/or prefer/like another when their journeys have been expressed in a VERY similar manner. The biggest difference between Luke and Rey are that fact that they are of the opposite gender. Yet their stories are very much the same.
The rest of your comment expressed concerns which are either comments or reiterate other parts of your comment. Hope this answers your inquiries.
The rise of sky walker? but the only living skywalker descendent dies.
blake loington the only living blood dies but not the one connected by the force or her desire.
It was hinted in the movie the emperor transferred his essence into a clone
why is he handicapped then. he was not a clone.
hullmees666 maybe he was handicapped from an unrelated incident haha. Also I like the idea of him being a true clone, with those Snokes being failed clones. But I don’t think that’s what they were getting at.
Why did he transfer his essence into a damaged clone?
oh, very "original"
hullmees666 he had trouble cloning
The tone at the beginning of this video feels like its straight out of an intervention.
Lol
Ben shouldn’t have died. That made the ending feel so empty and made their relationship feel pointless. It’s so frustrating.
As for how Sheev Palpatine could live past a Death Star exploding... Vader threw him down and there was a force lightning storm coming back up. But, with Death Star 2 being hundreds of kilometers in radius, there's no reason to believe Palpatine had time to reach the core of the Death Star in less than 10 seconds. So he fell a few stories down, got injured by the fall and/or his own lightning and/or draining too much energy on trying to kill Luke, and then managed to get into a shuttle. Possibly with help from some loyal general or whatever.
At this point, Luke had time enough to take the mask off his father, watch him die and then drag his body to a shuttle and escape, so why wouldn't Palpatine have time to escape in a shuttle if he survived the fall, and why shouldn't he survive the fall?
Yes there are flaws in the last trilogy, but you are so negatively inclined that even easily explainable things are considered "unrealistic plot holes" and "fan service".
RuFo Music bingo
I would watch so much more collider if Dennis was on more shows. What a great and knowledgeable guy 👍🏻
Except he seriously missed the mark about Han/Leia's relationship not being developed. They had tension between them since the first Star Wars, clear through Empire Strikes back....
@@CALISUPERSPORT I think he was just trying to prove a point that you didn't have to literally see every moment of it on the screen in order for it to be present.
@@Scrapluv Yeah but I don't blame people for having raised eyebrows at kylo and rey. This whole time it's been Finn and Rey that cared about each other. You don't make out with someone just because they saved your life, especially if you've seen them as an enemy up until 5 minutes ago.
Dorina: I don't get it. What was the point? I don't like it.
Just like BIG. Lol
Ironically, Dorina is the only one on this panel with the balls to call this a bad movie. Sorry guys. Couldn't resist and I couldnt dislike this film more.
MidLevelMedia that’s okay that’s how I felt about TLJ.
"Han and leia aren't developed"
The entirety of Han's interactions with Leia in empire are flirtatious, starting from the very first where he tries to gauge her reaction to him leaving. 😑
That dude is full of it. There are at least 6 scenes between Han and Leia in Empire. Each scene is a push and pull between the two as Han tries to break thru Leia's emotional defenses. It all culminates in the "I love you" scene on Cloud City. It's well developed.
I agree that they swept Rose under the rug in this movie. They didn’t even address her relationship with Finn.
Yeh just like TLJ didnt even address Luke hearing about Han's passing, he just says "wheres Han?" and thats it, on with the movie.
Or just like Rey never once addressing her force vision to Luke when she touch his old lightsaber. Its things like this i find more important and should have been touch on because they greatly serve a part of the mythology and lore of this saga.
Even if I'm not a fan of her character (although I think the actress is good) it's true that plenty of lines said by others characters at the Resistance camp could have been said by Rose to hide a bit the fact that she was indeed swept under the rug... There is a difference between giving her a lesser secondary role and basicaly end each of her very few scenes with a "Mmmkay Rose, whatever" comment.
@@RaikenXion Luke goes on the Falcon, takes Han's dices and looks sad a moment before R2 comes in. I think it should have been edited righ after the "where's Han?" line, but it is the moment when the movie shows the audience Luke thinking about Han.
I don't know why anyone even cares
They shouldn't have killed Ben, that felt a bit like a cop out.
As a parent with a Son, I understand why it was Han and not Luke.
I wanted it to be anakin
Simplesean
Would’ve been cool if Ben had a scene with Anakin. But Han was the correct choice to be the one that “turned” Ben in that scene.
Chewbacca got his medal in a comic, that was Hans
In a good 5-10 years the ranking of SW films will be as follows with maybe a few minor adjustments:
1. Empire Strikes Back
2. New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Revenge of the Sith
5. Rogue One
6. Force Awakens
7. Phantom Menace/Attack of the Clones
8. The last 2 SW movies (TRoS and Solo) - havent seen them never will
9. The Last Jedi
Take this as you will. And yes, The Mandalorian in 2 seasons will be better than anything probably below Revenge of the Sith.
Dorina, sounds like you should have given TROS a 3 - not a 6.
“Kathleen Kennedy is a great producer” arguments can end now. Letting two directors have a pissing contest with a billion dollar franchise and she’s a great producer? It’s clear there was No plan! A totally over the top finale that made very little sense. Still better than the last Jedi. Y’all can keep your down with the patriarchy and class issues.
@Ladiglich Bernd I'm the movie playing the movie disguised as another MOVIE.
Jeremiah Coleman agreed
Disagree with it being better than TLJ, but agree with everything else
People in my theater laughed when the Reylo kiss and Kylo death happened. So ridiculous
Joel Bryant Same hahah they also laughed when it was announced Hux was the mole
Matt Boulter that was definitely meant to be a joke haha. I had a feeling Hux was going to be the mole.
We had a simultaneous loud groan
Wow theatre was crying and jumping out seats when that happened. The trailer for last jedi and this trailer gave away a lot of the story such as Rey's ancestry ect
Romeo & Juliet
Overall I enjoyed it, but, it was SO rushed and needed to be around 3 hours long to take moments to slow down and SHOW US instead of using quick exposition to TELL US. This was enough stuff for two movies crammed into one. 6.5/10
There's such a thing as too fast and too intense huh. My feelings exactly.
Funny enough the entire timeline of the sequel trilogy is less than 3 years at best.
Really, this story should have been the story of the entire sequel trilogy. Take time to flesh out all the elements so that it can breathe, develop, and make sense in a smarter way.
Release the Abrams Cut.
i feel exactly the same. would be so much more powerful if certain moments were allowed to breathe and be expanded upon. but everything needs to be cut down to a "marketable runtime." id totally watch a 3 hour star wars movie if it made things more impactful, especially the end of a saga
I’ve watched for 50 mins and I have yet to hear about the Jedi Voices!
Y2Flax THERE’S your fan service done right
JJ slammed TLJ over and over, anyone who didn't read it that way is delusional. Sorry but it's SO clear.
Well, TLJ deserves it, it's trash. A shame ROS ended up being trash as well because it didn't have much focus of it's own besides slamming TLJ.
Disney: “look upon my works, ye Star Wars fans and despair!”
It's also extremely puzzling why Ben wasnt standing with his family at the end, you had him fade away for nothing at all. I mean Vader redeemed himself and his body still had to be burned
Half his body was a machine and wouldnt fade
@@brandonl7475 Vader still appeared as a force ghost, but as his true self instead. Luke still became a force ghost and his hand went with him
@@razorback10 Luke and Laia both became force ghosts by essentially killing themselves, so what you're saying doesnt make sense
The fact that the criticisms have been all over the place only confirms what I’ve come to understand about the people that watch these movies. These movies have to be made for anyone and everyone. They’re so massive and the legacy is so incredibly multigenerational that no one is ever going to be completely satisfied, no matter if the movies try to recapture what the previous movies did well, whether it tries to take risks and appeal to new audiences, or digs deep into meta commentary about itself and how it got to where it is. It’s a dangerous no win scenario and with this being the final movie of the series, it had a task possibly more monumental than any other franchise end that came before it, MCU and Harry Potter included. Only time will tell how ROS will be regarded.
I disagree. A good movie is a good movie. So much wasted potential for the Sequel Trilogy.
Best explanation I’ve read yet
Kylo rebuilding his mask is no more "erasing" or "undoing" episode 8 than the construction of Death Star 2 is "undoing" the decision of having the Death Star blown up in episode 4. The second Death Star was built because the first one was destroyed. Kylo had his mask rebuilt because he had regrets for destroying it, and after Snoke was gone and he was Supreme Leader, he could again wear mask if he wanted to without being belittled and taunted by anyone. It is not undoing episode 8 - it is just an item that was destroyed and then rebuilt. Because Kylo was always at risk of "falling to the light side", and he needed as much of a bad guy image as possible to stay dark.
If the destruction of the Death Star and then the construction of the new Death Star 2 had happened in the new trilogy, I'm sure that too would have been attributed to "retcon" and "erasing previous episodes".
I overall enjoyed the film, but at the same time completely get what everyone is saying here on both sides. And I can't get over it, Dorina is a dream boat, "I don wanna do it." lol
Poor Dennis he seems so annoyed of dorina
He always looks annoyed to be on every panel lol
He is not alone. She is too over-the-top. Just critique it without all of the ridiculous vitriol.
Watch I bet a week from now Riley will complain about "toxic" fans in the chat, as though there is no cause and effect.
It wasn’t just that she didn’t like it. It was the fact that she overtook everyone else’s opinion and reaction. Way over the top.
@@queenthatalwaysshouldvebee8760 You might be right, but she had some good points at times imho
She has great points
my theater clapped when the heroes sank in the quicksand
Michael Pawlusik that was the most George Lucas thing that happened in the whole movie.
I liked how the camera just hung there a few seconds once the heroes dissapeared into the sand.
So glad to see Dennis back on main Collider here
The more I analyze the movie, the less I like it. It was enjoyable I had a good time, but the ending is anticlimatic and there are a lot of problems, inconsistencies and at the end it´s just meh.
I agree and my initial reaction coming out of the theater was a little bit let down when I came out of last jedi I loved it
Probably because ur letting other people view of the film take away from what you got initially
@@glennwalsh4535 not at all
"Rey being nobody" in episode 8 but being a Palpatine i 9 is no more "erasing" or "undoing" episode 8 than the "NO, I AM YOUR FATHER" scene in episode 5 was undoing episode 4 when Luke's father was a jedi that was betrayed and murdered by Vader. Had this happened in episodes 8 and 9 it would have been blamed on "not having a master plan for the trilogy". Dark secrets are kept and then revealed in plot twists in both cases.
The signs were there all along, with Rey's stabbing style with the light saber, her impatience and hotheaded temperament, her affinity for the dark side, her extreme force sensitivity despite not being a Skywalker (written off as "Mary Sue" and bad writing), and her mysterious past and parents being mentioned many times. It is not retcon.
And the fact is that in the Star Wars universe, heritage is important. It baffles me that some of the reviewers in the video (long-time Star Wars fans) have missed this completely. Force sensitivity and affinity for the dark or light side are passed down through generations and families, and it is ultimately the family saga of Anakin Skywalker and his descendants. The physical (force) power of family is extremely important, so when Rey was told that she was "nobody", this didn't make sense as she was so force sensitive. Luke thought this was odd and asked her "who ARE you"? He was afraid of her, both because of his failure with Ben Skywalker, but also because he sensed the dark side in her.
This is also why Luke acted out-of-character and thew the light saber away - he had given in to fear and regret on that island and was in a dark place (both mentally and in terms of the force). He feared Rey and especially that he sensed the dark side in her. As a Force ghost (being One With The Force), Luke was back to his normal self and was no longer a prisoner of his own fear.
Yet, Rey's lineage was always vital to the plot of episodes 7, 8, and 9. She clearly wasn't a Skywalker, but it was quite early clear that her parents and bloodlines were extremely important. This is a major theme in the Star Wars universe and not fan service to bring Palpatine back.
This is not retcon or a plothole - it would have been a plothole if she truly was the daughter of random non-force-sensitive family heritage and just happened to be extremely lucky in fighting Snoke's guards. "In my experience there is no such thing as luck". - Ben Kenobi.