00:00 INTRO, EDDIE MURPHY ON SNL 05:10 MARC ON CATS 13:14 KEV ON JOKER, MARC DIDN'T LIKE IT! 21:10 SEEING RISE OF SKYWALKER 1:24:50 OPEN MIC ON SW:ROS AND PRIZES
Anakin totally brought balance to the force. Before Anakin there were like a thousand jedi, and 2 sith. After Anakin, there were 2 jedi, and 2 sith. Balance.
Let's see... we had Sidious, Vader on one side... + like 7 or 8 inquisitors... then Yoda, Obi, Kanan, Ahsoka, Ezra... so i don't know if there's balance... Luke and Leia and "The Child" are still not Jedis in ANH so let's not count them in... oh and then we have the guy from Fallen Order, so as much as i like that thought, i don't know if it works now with this new canon...
@imnotmike "Balance to the force", means a clean slate by George Lucas definition. So, Vader in Revenge of the Sith, actively participates in the Jedi Purge. He destroys all of them, when he kills Ben Kenobi in A New Hope. And he fulfills bringing Balance to the Force, when he kills the 2 remaining Sith (himself and the Emperor), in Return of the Jedi. Thus, nothing is left. And the movie ends with the endless cycle of Jedi fighting Sith being over, the force is finished. The Hero Journey of Luke is to redeem his father and to witness the end of the force and it's back and fourth mundane cycle. Which they explore this more in KOTOR with Kreia.
@Tim Jacuzzi lol I have nothing but respect for her( I mean, look at her freaking resume!) But it's time for a new creative voice bts. Just imagine what a Feige and Filoni helmed Star Wars would look like...🤤
Chewy’s reaction to Leia’s death was very satisfying as this was literally the first time any character showed real emotions and sorrow from the OG characters deaths. Both Han and Luke barely had any recognition after their deaths so chewy showing his emotions like he actually should when one of his most best of friends passes was just heartbreaking but I’m glad they finally did it
I actually thought it was really weird. The “friendship” of the OG characters, and even the reaction to the characterization of the OG characters, is often very starkly contrasted against the reality of what’s on screen. We NEVER see anything that would suggest that Leia and Chewbacca have a deep or close relationship. I felt like the scene was an over correction to how Chewbacca was treated in previous films
I will say Chewy's rage at Kylo for killing Han felt pretty real to me "I don't care that you are his kid, I don't care about your internal struggle I want to kill you" and then he tries to that felt like a real reaction from him
It’s like nobody here watched revenge of the sith. The emperor DID die, he’s not a clone, he didn’t survive the fall, he died. He brought himself back to life, just like his master, plagueis
I’m probably wrong. But, I had the distnct impression that Palpatine survived because of his Mastery of the Darkside. Just as Darth Maul survived in Clone Wars.
The only reason Leia doesn't die in TLJ was so she and Luke could do their final scene together. So the question is what would be more satisfying considering if she dies doing the "Leia Maneuver" would that be more satisfying than her last reunion with Luke?
I love how the more Kevin talks to mark, his rose colored glasses slip lower and lower on his nose. It's like seeing a kid slowly realize there's no santa Claus.
He finally realized this trilogy is utter crap and he knows they fumbled it and no matter how he bags on the Prequels they literally narratively shit all over this trilogy and its hilarious
@@CynicallyObnoxious if I had to pick between the new trilogy and prequels, I'd go prequels, simply because their shit flows down, new trilogy shits on the original, prequels shit on the void, I think. Don't know the EU enough to know if it does.
1:07:10 Yes, the last person to appear to Rey should have been young Leia, but no, that's not what she should have said. Or at least not the last thing she should have said. Sure she could say "You can do this. Get up." But the last thing she says, the last thing we hear from the jedi voices is "You're our only hope." It'd work even better if Rey had been a Kenobi, but I think that's still the perfect thing for Leia to go out on.
@1:35:36 - "Luke Skywalker is just a kid from nowhere." - No he isn't. He thinks he's just a kid from nowhere but it turns out his father was a great Jedi (who turned evil and became the #2 Sith Lord). Just like Rey thinks she's just a kid from nowhere but it turns out her grandfather was the #1 Sith and her parents hid her to keep her safe. Luke never came from nothing and we find that out in Obi-Wan's hut when he gives Luke Anakin's Lightsaber. Harry Potter was not a flip on that, it was the same thing. Thinks he's from nowhere and nothing, turns out he's a somebody.
@@donoso1312 - Yes, I know. And I explained that in 1977 we first met Luke, a kid working on his uncle's moisture farm on a desert planet. Within 20 minutes we found out that, contrary to what his uncle told him, his father was a great Jedi who once fought in the Clone Wars along side the old man whom everyone around believes is just a simple hermit. Right from the beginning we learn that nothing is as it seems. Other mysteries unfold in the subsequent movies. Similarly, we met Rey, a scavenger on a desert planet. Shortly thereafter, we learn she was left there by her parents for some unknown reason and a lightsaber calls to her. She is incredibly strong with the Force, despite never being trained... we should realize that something unknown is yet to be discovered. Other mysteries WILL unfold in the subsequent movies.
Would have been a better story if Rey was a nobody and that anyone can become a powerful Force user. Why does everyone have to be related to someone else important to matter? Nothing would have had to change in the movie other than removing some BS flashbacks and some dialogue from Palpatine. This would leave open many more options going forward in the Star Wars universe.
actually Ezra was not in Rise of Skywalker. His voice did not appear and name did not appear in credits. It was Kannan Jarus (freddi prinz jr) , Ezras jedi master who trained him. right now Ezra is still missing and nobody knows what happened yet
@@ZanyGeek Rebels was the first thing that came out after the canon wipe. Before that, the only non-movie material that stayed canon was Clone Wars. (and the first part of a short story that had just come out before the announcement... can't remember the name.)
Rey did come from nothing, but she had a horrible somebody when she found out she came from somewhere... it's the tale of a loving adoption and an unnatural relation. That's why kylo who was not adopted but raised by who adopted her mattered so much.
The entire star wars films was based on the adventures of the two random robots. C3PO and R2D2. George Lucas was trying to take you and your friend on a D&D quest throughout time. He succeeded.
30:26 "The expression is to land this fish." "No, it's land this bird! Just like landing a plane to be in business." "I know it's silly to get hung up on these kinds of things, but I do." "How am I gonna land a FISH? It can't walk! And if it swam up on shore, and battled a hawk, who is gonna win?"
" why isn't she doing the shit? Why isn't she destroying the fkn death stars?" Because the internet would have lost it. They were already pissed off that Rey moved 30 rocks with force telekinesis in the last jedi so that the fkn crystal foxes could escape or shit.
I know some people are upset that Rey isn’t a “Nobody” anymore but you still got your “Nobody” who became a hero...Finn. He started off as FN-2187 to General Finn & potentiality a Jedi in the future. We still don’t know much about him but for Finn to turn away & still come out a hero who found himself & his own family through the force after everything he went through is a beautiful thing.
So wouldn't have been better if Finn was the main protagonist instead of Rey? You just described a better Star Wars trilogy than we got. Finn, a former Storm Trooper turned Jedi.
The healing does something to the persons character....In the Mandolorian when the Child healed Greef, He changed to good. When Rey healed the snake creature, it changed. It appears that force Healing adds light to the person removing darkness
The thing is, Kylo-Ren is unredeemable. People always forget that he was resposible for multiple genocides. You don't redeem easy like that after killing billions and billions of innocent people.... Not even with daddy issues.
The cloning process was never supposed to be good at making force users. It wasn't something they could replicate. So palpatine/sideous hopping into clone bodies was just burning through them. It literally degrades them. That's why he was trying to join with Rey. The clones just arent powerful enough of vessels.
Marc isnt really right w the Lando line... Poe did meet him. For like 2 movies Poe thought all hope was lost and he had been giving those speeches about “there’s gotta be someone out there we can’t be alone.” So he was just so relieved that help did come. Not so much that Lando popped up tho
In answer to Kevin's question about who voiced "Win the war!", a character called Boolio, apparently it was Mark Hamill :) "Boolio marks Mark Hamill's fourth Star Wars character after Luke Skywalker, the voice of Darth Bane in Star Wars: The Clone Wars, and Dobbu Scay in Star Wars: The Last Jedi. Dobbu was the little guy in the casino who confused BB-8 with a slot machine. When he does get credited for such things, he likes to use a pseudonym that combines his brothers' names -- Patrick Williams."
Bonzulac Kevin has been a writer for much longer than Marc. Trust me there’s plenty of shit out there Kevin doesn’t like but he’d rather spend time talking about stuff he loves because he’s not worried about trying to sound smart all the time. Kevin is a good writer BECAUSE he thinks like a fan. Marc got a big head and forgot how to be a fan.
@@JBJones66 So? A fan has to remove their brain whenever they go see a movie? I'm sorry that you seem to think people who strive towards greatness are less of a being than those who settle for "fan service". Sad.
Per Karlsson arguing against things I never said is like setting up pins and knocking them down. It’s easy. Fan service, like anything else, can be good or bad. You don’t have to remove your brain and ignore flaws sure, but people have lost the ability to say that a movie was just ok. Everything is either amazing or it’s shit because the internet has sensationalized opinions.
@@JBJones66 To be fair, you wrote: "Kevin is a good writer BECAUSE he thinks like a fan". That makes no sense. Not in general, and especially not when it comes to Kevin Smith. The two movies that put Kevin on the map were original ideas. Also, The Rise of Skywalker disappointed a lot of fans.
@@JBJones66 yeah, it is refreshing because the trend is to shit all over anything star wars or any knew movie. It's cool to hear someone have a positive spin and not the boring same ol pessimistic take on things
Gotta disagree on the "Leia brings Han back to talk to Kylo" point. Kylo has been lectured to and pleaded with by his dad, by Rey, even by Lor San Teka at the beginning of TFA. He's a grown man and the handholding had to end. For his turn to really mean anything, it had to be HIS decision, it had to come from WITHIN. Han essentially speaking as Ben's conscience, as an embodiment of his guilt, remorse and regret, giving him a chance to do over that fateful moment on Starkiller Base...it was perfect. The movie has flaws, for sure, but that scene could not have been done better.
1:50:10 Lando totally does do that for those characters. You don't think that this new Resistance didn't hear stories about the man who blew up the second Death Star? That if anybody from the old Rebellion can wrangle people together when there's no Leia or Han or anybody else, that it wouldn't be Lando?
Lando was the right call, and believable. The most charismatic member of the rebellion, with ties everywhere from organized crime to big business with his Cloud City run. And yes, dodged Death Star lasers, took on star destroyers, and blew up the damn death star. Wedge was on a golf course in the outer rim, and when Lando called, he answered. As did the rest.
I want to change one thing that you said Mark: Leia passes her own lightsaber and it some what looks like the Princess is knighting her champion and says, "Help EVERYONE Rey Skywalker... Now Rise!"
The emperor himself said he died in the movie...So Anakin’s sacrifice wasnt voided. If anything this was just the emperor saying “Remember what I said about the Darkside being unnatural in Episode 3? I meant it!” They in no way undid Anakin’s story arc. He did bring balance to the force. That doesn’t mean it would always stay in balance.
Re: the Leia force projection scene - my thought was that Leia was sensing Kylo and Rey fighting at that moment. As the surrogate mother figure to Rey and actual mom to Ben, she didn't want either of them to die. The reach out with "Ben" was her trying to metaphysically pause or break the fight up - but then she passes away, Ben feels it....and the rest of the scene unfolds. Sorry - listening at work, at minute 57 got me really engaged in that debate.
The main premise of the Palpatine clones is that Palpatine’s dark side essence was so powerful and corrosive that each clone he occupied decayed at an accelerated rate because they weren’t the original body. That’s why he wanted to transfer to Rey. That’s why he took Rey and Kylo’s life essence. It made his clone body strong enough to store his power.
I'm pretty sure Anakin was the chosen one to bring balance to the force by destroying the jedi. I think the force was out of balance because there was too many jedi and it needed more dark side and Anakin came through like a boss!
Nah. The prophecy of "the chosen one" goes back at least 2000 years before episode 1. The force was considered unbalanced all the way back then when the Jedi, and Sith were both tens of thousands strong. Disney just blew a huge plot hole in the continuity. Kathleen Kennedy has been telling us for years that she doesn't care for the original story.
Coming back as a force ghost was created by Qui-Gon Jinn. And then eventually only talk to Yoda and then eventually Obi-Wan Kenobi and then Luke Skywalker and Leia. And he's right for schools have always been powerful. Obi-Wan Kenobi could sense the trouble that Luke was in and he was able to communicate with not just him but Yoda as well. That's throughout the Galaxy. When Yoda died he was able to conjure lightning. When Luke died he was able to grasp solid objects and use the force. These Are Not Mere tasks. But the battle still needed to be won
Anakin/Vader brought balance to the Force for 25 years which is about as long as the Empire was around. How is that not a worthy sacrifice? Some of this just seems to be complaining for the sake of complaining.
I like the idea that Kylo Ren’s whole thing is wanting to be the next Darth Vader and ended up doing something Vader never could. He saved the woman he loved. Anakin turned based on a lie by Palpatine that the Sith had a power to keep people from dying. Sith are selfish so the power to give ones life force to another to save them is of course would be a Jedi power. I think that’s brilliant. IT brought that whole thing full circle
I disagree that palpatine was lying about keeping people from dying. There probably aresith Magic’s that do that. But you are right that he was lying about teaching Anakin. He never intended to. Palpatines survival itself is likelihood that the sith know how to extend life.
JazGalaxy the way he described it being unnatural said to me that if it did exist, what it did to the person probably screwed them up. Like maybe bringing them back as some sort of mindless husk or zombie. Anyway the fact the Jedi were able to do this all along makes Anakin’s turn even more foolish and tragic. I think once everything settles and this movies ages, I think it’s gonna be looked backed upon more fondly than it currently is.
the best thing to have Palpatine to say for his first scene would have been "Have you heard of The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise" and that sinister grin would of done it for me which now that i think about it makes rays healing powers have more sense to them
You guys didn't pay much attention if you're that hung up on who built the star destroyers. If you looked at them you would have noticed they were smaller, older models compared to the First Orders star destroyers. The Emperor must have had them built and stored there as a contingency plan before the events of Return of the Jedi. They were upgraded with the new death star cannons, but other than that, they were already built and waiting there for 30 years.
Episode 9...travis style summary. Kylo is supreme leader doing the supreme leader thing and searching for Rey. Rey is with Leia studying the old jedi books. Leia explains to Rey the prophesy of skywalker and the family history. She explains how even Luke was once tempted with the dark side but Vaders sacrifice saved Luke from it. Because of this...she feels even Ben has good left in him and can be redeemed. Kylo is studying the works of snoke and goes through the artifacts and finds hints of a deeper secret. Kylo eventually discovers that snoke was a clone...and old clone. Older than anyone has known. He discovers that in fact...the body was a clone but was controlled by the force projection of Plageius. Kylo goes to find him. Rey feels through the force kylos discovery and goes to leia. Leia fears that if kylo finds plageius...the end of the rebellion is over. A new snoke contacts kylo and they meet. Snoke explains that palpatine did in fact kill plageius but the body was just another force projected controlled clone. And that the secret has always been life through projection. Kylo bends the knee seemingly to accept that snoke/plageius is in fact the supreme force user. After subplots and a few adventures...the rebellion find the real plageius location. Kylo and the sith army are ready for the largest battle. Rey traveled to the island and Luke reveals that she is in fact palpatines granddaughter and that his child didnt have the force and when she was a baby...they discovered she had the force. Fearful of her connection with her grandfather....they send her to Luke. Luke reveals that he knew plageius was still alive and hiding and waiting...and that he had trained hundreds of young padawans in preparation. And that he force wiped their minds.and scattered them throughout the galaxy waiting for plageius to reveal his plans. Rey asks him if Luke is worried she will fail being a jedi and become a sith. Luke says that he never trained jedi...and that he meant it that he was the last jedi....and hands her a hidden book. The book of the grey jedi. The final battle comes along and rey arrives wearing grey jedi regalia....everyone is shocked. She sparks up the grey jedi saber and uses the force to remove the memory wipe. It is revealed that Finn, Poe, the little stable boy from the end of the last jedi...all of them were trained at Luke's grey jedi temple. It is also revealed that kylo was in fact Luke's apprentice....and never had his memory wiped. That he was tasked with pretending to go dark side. That the memory of him turning on Luke and destroying the temple was all fabricated. Snoke knew he was struggling with the light and dark and Han knew that he must sacrifice himself to keep snoke off Ben's trail. That's why ben told him he knew what he needed to do but didnt know if he had the strength....and han was actually comforting him and telling him to do it. Now Ben Solo and Rey Palpatine lead the army of freshly woken grey jedi against plageius and the sith army. Many die but plageius falls and the grey win. The movie ends with Rey accepting that she is a palpatine and that a name doesnt define who they are....just as it was with the skywalker's. Ben says that the prophecy was that the skywalker's were destined to find balance between the dark and light....and that the grey are that balance. He says that jedi cant marry but as a grey.....and takes a knee seeming to propose.
I really, really wanted to love this movie. I keep looking for reasons to love it. The Han/Kylo scene was great. The action scenes were superb. Carrie’s scenes were handled with an incredible amount of grace. And on and on. Objectively though - this movie has some serious problems. Its very hard to overlook them, but I don’t count myself in the group that is trashing every second of the film. There is a lot to love in this movie. But for folks out there that are really, really not enjoying it - that’s valid. If you love it, you love it. If you don’t, you don’t. At the end of the day, the only valid opinion is your own.
You can tell when a Kevin really likes something... like endgame or far from home, and when he kind of likes something (like rise of sky walker) but doesn’t want to hurt feelings or step on his friends toes (like JJ who invites him to set and puts him in the movie. He seemed to still be ok with the film... but wasn’t squealing all over it like we’ve seen in the past.
I had the same take away. He knows this movie could have been more, even if he doesn't know how to fix it. Good thing he has writer friends around him who can. The fact that his buddy made a Finn rewrite and made Kevin tear up says a lot. JJ couldn't figure out how to make old SW fans care about the new characters without resorting to MEMORIES, but I digress....
Kevin is the kind of guy who will never say he dislikes a movie publicly (probably because he likes having cameos and directing episodes of tv shows, etc.).
Hi, I saw the movie yesterday, and I think what Leia does is that she ties her life to her son's, to give Rey time to heal Kilo / Ben, and that's why in the end when Ben heals Rey, transferring him of his vital energy, both Ben and Leia's body disappear, Ben was alive on borrowed time.
My general opinion of this film is that TROS did the best that it could to get to a somewhat satisfying conclusion from where TLJ left off. That being said, I thought that TLJ was mostly a detour, diversion or wrong turn on the way to the eventual destination. It's like if the sequels are a trip leaving Los Angeles and TFA took it up through Arizona, Utah and Colorado (on its way to New York) but then TLJ took it through New Mexico and Texas (on it's way to New Orleans). Now some of the people in the car were expecting to go through Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania and get to New York. They are mostly dissatisfied with their time in New Mexico and Texas and want to get to New York. Other people in the car, like this new direction and want to keep going to New Orleans and continue on to Orlando. The driver of TROS, understanding that the original destination was New York, has to make a decision. Do I take the shortest path to New York through Arkansas, Tennessee, Virginia, Maryland and Pennsylvania even though it might be less satisfying? Or do I double back through Colorado and see all of the sights we originally planned even though it will take more time (an extra movie)? Or do we go to New Orleans and Orlando, then head up the coast to New York which will take even more time (maybe 1 or even 2 extra movies)? In the end he decided, "Look, we can't go to Orlando, we're going to New York. And I can't give you Nebraska and Iowa. I'm sorry but we've come too far this way, we should have been in Indiana by now and we have to make up time. We will see some interesting things as we pass through Arkansas and Missouri though. You might like them but they'll be fast. And I'll definitely give you Illinois, even though it's out of the way, because I know you were looking forward to that. Then we'll go through Indiana, Ohio and Pennsylvania like we planned... and we'll get to New York!" It's not that the destination in unsatisfying. It's that we took the wrong journey and we had to speed through two great States to get there. Is that the fault of TROS? And hey, I understand if you like New Mexico and Texas. New Orleans and Orlando might have been really fun too... but when we left Los Angeles, we were going to New York. I'm sorry if you got your hopes up but this was the planned destination. Well here we are in New York, let's enjoy the destination and the journey. Even the detour through New Mexico, Texas, Arkansas and Missouri, it wasn't all bad. Personally, I wish that the second driver had known the destination and took us on the more direct path. However, given the diversion, I probably would have taken some extra time, go to NOLA and FLA! See the sights, then head up the coast to NYC, it'll be a hell of a trip! All of this is to say either pick a path and everyone go in the same direction. Or if you want to go on an extended journey, DON't LOCK YOURSELVES INTO A TRILOGY! From the very beginning, I never understood why anyone was referring to this as the sequel trilogy, just call it the continuing saga. The prequels had to be a trilogy because A New Hope was already numbered as Episode 4, but the sequels didn't have to be a trilogy. As soon as JJ took over on Episode 9, I hoped to hear, "This isn't going to be a trilogy, it's going to be at least 10 total episodes, maybe more. JJ will co-write and co-produce and we'll have multiple directors in various stages of production." Everyone in the cast decide if you want to re-up right now for Episode 10 and/or 11, or get written out in Episode 9. We need to know who we're writing for and in which episodes. Then while 9 was in production, 10 is pre-pro. When 9 goes into post, 10 goes into production and 11 is in pre-pro. It's not like there's a shortage of money at Disney or resources at Lucasfilm. Hell, Marvel does it for 3 films a year, why can't Lucasfilm do 1 a year. Overall, a somewhat satisfying conclusion to a poorly planned, less than ideal journey.
Why were they drawing the line at Palpatine being a clone? “Now you are bringing science to this.” ...so we just going to act like the clone wars isn’t a thing?
This is one Star Wars movie that we actually need a special edition of ,with all new force ghosts added, live action Ashoka, Ezra, Kanan, Voss and the rest all stood like a fucking Alex Ross cover ,standing legion saying "RISE" and "We are with you" .Maybe general Syndulla Chopper and Xeb added in the background of the Rebel scenes. They really dropped the ball on the easter eggs/fan service. This was the last movie, they should have gone nuts with these.
The Clone body is jacked up because, the cloning tech is fine, they are perfect clones until he jumps into them, but the technique makes the bodies age and fall apart at a highly accelerated rate, hence him being the life essence vampire, they help fix the body to be able to contain his sith spirit. Thats how it worked in the Dark Empire story
+1000 for kevins idea at 1:03:48 of having had leia die valiantly carrying out the 'holdo maneuver' to save the resistance escape... this would also be one way to address the 'why hasnt everyone in star wars used mass-weaponized hyperspace' conundrum by maintaining that only a keenly force sensitive pilot, like luke or leia, can effectively use the force to time the end of the maneuver perfectly enough to pull it off successfully (but the force sensitive pilot has to remain on the ship and sacrifice themselves in the process, which makes this too costly to use at scale) past experiments using droids and hyperspace computers to attempt weaponized hyperspace could be said to have all been failures for always coming out of hyperspace a fraction of a nanosecond off and either over- or under-shooting the target, so a NON-force sensitive pilot would obviously also have no chance of succeeding either unless they got one-in-a-million lucky. this aligns neatly with the way luke hits that first death star trench exhaust port shot in ep.iv when obi wan tells him to use the force instead of the x-wing targeting computer to time the shot perfectly while flying at full-throttle
Only problem with Lukes Force ghost lifting his Xwing is like if all Force ghosts could use their powers like this why weren’t they more helpful to Rey and Ren in the end battle Like taking care of the knights
I think there's more to it. In Empire Strikes Back, Ben kenobi says that he can not interfere when Luke confronts Vader. I've never known what he meant by that.
Why does the Emperor look old and decrepit with huge jowls, but he didn't look scarred like he was at the end of Episode III? Then he heals himself using Rey and Ben's Force energy and his scars come back. Why didn't they heal so he looked normal like he did for most of the prequels?
As a total guess, I think it has to do with his completely corrupt nature, cloning through who knows how many deaths, and just the drain that his level of dark side power would put on someone. The healing between Rey and Ben, on the other hand, comes from a place of hope, impossible love, and light. So at least in a whimsical sense, them healing on a more pure, rejuvenation level makes sense.
Mark is basically using the Alan Moore concept for the role of the artist. “It's not the job of the artist to give the audience what the audience wants. If the audience knew what they needed, then they wouldn't be the audience. They would be the artists. It is the job of artists to give the audience what they need.”
I don't know if it's significant, but my first thought when I saw Rey's new lightsaber was that it was a call back to the original Kenner Luke action figure, which had a yellow lightsaber in his arm. That hit me hard and took me back to playing with those toys as a kid, and whether intentional or not, I loved that moment!
Also when the emperor force lighting the sky that shit was epic, I was disappointed when Luke didn't do something similar in the last jedi but he lifted the x wing in this one so it's all good
Leia was probably supposed to use her power to make both Han and her appear to Kylo and persuade him back over to the lightside (using the medal as a focus to summon Han, and her connection to Rey, who was her apprentice), but Carrie died, so they only used Han, and managed to make it work...she couldn't do it prior to the fight on the Deathstar, because she also needed the connection between Kylo and Rey to be at a certain level, as their connection through The Force also seemed to be growing stronger and stronger throughout the movies, and she needed Rey to be at a certain level of power (casting force lightning) to create a strong enough connection to insure she would be able to get through to Ben under Kylo; all this was also aided by Kylo and Rey being in close physical proximity to each other, with Rey kinda acting like an antenna...
I would have preferred Rey just be Rey. They could have kept the Emperor and him wanting to live through her, but they did not need to make her a relative. Which would have made her taking the name Skywalker at the end more poignant because she was nobody.
I wish I liked it, but unfortunatelly I didn't. Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter makes no sense. When Palpatne got first child, in his 70's? Also force stays in the family but skips every second generation? That opening lightspeed sequence makes no sense at all, and Tie fighters followed them anyway? I guess Han solo saying ''going to hyperspace is not joke'' seem like a joke now. Palpatine being alive ''just because'', and throwing a line from Revenge of the sith movie should just explain everything??? It's great storytelling I guess Chewie getting a medal, I was just waiting wink at the camera and Han shot first reference. Luke catching lightsaber and saying that's not how You treat a weapon of a jedi. I was just waiting wink at the camera again, plus that's only Luke scene, just for a wink??? That's ridiculous. Now every star destroyer can destroy planet??? I guess Death Star is a joke now looking back. So much talk about Knights of Ren and they are more pointless than Phasma... Also BB-8 with Rey at the end on Tatooine just because twin suns look like BB-8 is ridiculous. He is Poe's droid, and he is with Rey just because of a ''cool shot''? I guess that's deep J. J.'s storytelling. The Last Jedi at least had scenes I liked, this had no single scene I liked, and I'm not here just to hate on the movie, cause I really wanted it to be at least good, but this was terrible. After perfect ROTJ ending, this was just awfol, this trilogy is pointless. If someone told me that STAR WARS will be treated as a joke with no story in advance I would call that person insane, sause it's freakin STAR WARS, and of course they have beginning, middle and end planned in advance, and look at me now, I'm laughing at my self. This thrilogy is just bickering between two directors. Hope they will have plan in advance for future stuff, and I hope Kathleen Kennedy learned a lesson ( even I guess she didn't cause he recently said they won't have trilogies in the future, they will ake one movie at the time and maybe do sequel if movie is successfull )...... WHICH IS EXACTLY THE MAIN PROBLEM WITH THIS TRILOGY, NO PLAN AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really? You liked ROTJ's ending that much but couldn't stomach ROS? At the end of the day it's a fantasy about space wizards, it's impossible for me to take most of the complaining seriously.
Sorry but this is the Palpatine Saga. The Prequels tell the story of how Palpatine rose to power, The Originals shows his reign and fall, The Sequels show the rise to power of his *Spoiler* Grand/daughter Rey who is now the most powerful force user ever x10 to the infinite power. So yeah fuck the skywalkers, they ended up a footnote in the Palpatine Saga
It took me a second viewing to come to terms with the Leia-Kylo-Rey scene, and the best I came up with was: Leia sensed that Rey was in danger from her son, so Leia, knowing that Rey was the last hope of saving the galaxy, used the last of her strength to distract Kylo long enough for Rey to strike him down. She may have even sensed that their confrontation was inevitable and that's why she asked Rey not to go searching for Palpatine. Anyway, when Rey stabbed Kylo, she felt Leia's death and realized that Leia gave her life to save Rey; Rey also realized in that moment that her own rage and thirst for revenge against Palpatine led directly to her ill-fated fuel with Kylo and ultimately to Leia having to sacrifice herself. That would in turn make more sense of Rey's abrupt desire to run away to Ach-to. Just, like, my opinion, man!
the thing on 1:00:00 would be cool but... from what i got to read somewhere only the officials of the first order know about finn walking out. That stormtrooper who called him traitor knew him before, its not like they sent everyone a report saying fn-2187 is on the loose. That leads to the deleted scene with tom hardy who tought he would never get on the higher ranks.
Thank you Mark for being the voice of reason. Kev is such a great writer who is great with dialogue and connecting and setting up things within a narrative and I was sure he was going to hate this movie. Not that I don’t think his feelings are genuine, I just think he’s feeling a certain way now that part of his childhood has come to an end.
When Rey connected with the generations of Jedi it should have been like in LOTR when Aragon found the ghost army and they showed up when he ran in the battle and they showed up behind him and charged forward
Bringing Palpatine in was fine since it was the original idea for EP9 from the beginning. At the time Empire was filmed the idea was Luke would confront only Vader in Jedi, then go off and look for his long lost sister who was not Leia, fall to the Darkside along the way, to end up with bro and sis confronting Palpatine in EP9. But Lucas decided he wanted to get his personal life back together and changed it and we got the EP6 that was released. So by going with Palpatine they just kept the original idea.
1:16:00 Even better -- If it were Ben that showed up with all of that backup at the end, you could have Poe still give his borderline cynical moment by saying, "oh, that's Kylo Ren's ship... I'm sorry, there's no hope anymore!" crackle crackle Ben's voice -- "Hope is like the sun. If you only believe in it when you can see it, you'll never make it through the night."
I get that it wasn't a "perfect" movie. It definitely had some problems. But I don't get why some people get SO angry about it lol it must SUCK to allow anything, let alone a movie or a film franchise to have THAT much control over your emotions. I honestly kinda feel bad for people who can't simply enjoy something JJST because it doesn't fulfill their EVERY desire. I've been a Star Wars "superfan" since 1977, I was raised on it, to the point where I would spend my birthday wish every year on the Kenner action figures because that's ALL I could think about until I was like 14 years old in 1990. After Return of the Jedi we had NOTHING new from Star Wars, my brother and I called it the "Dark Times" lol we didn't even know George was actually making the prequels until after he had re-mastered and released the original trilogy for another theatrical run in like 96, so even though the prequels had OBVIOUS "issues" lol we still appreciated having them, and watched them over and over again because they were Star Wars! These new films are just as enjoyable, if not more so. And anyone who "HATES" them clearly has some SERIOUS deep-rooted issues. If you only ever enjoy a perfect movie, you're going to have a TON of disappointment in your future. But, most important of all; It IS what it is! The movie we got is the movie we got, and NO amount of whining or complaining is EVER going to change it. So, you can peruse the UA-cam comment sections looking for people who happened to have liked the movie so you can argue and tell them why they're wrong and you're right, or you can just go watch something else lol like when you turn on the radio and there's a song playing that you don't like, or it's a band or musician you hate, what do you do, call the radio station lol or just CHANGE THE FRIGGIN' CHANNEL!?! 😂 If you really love Star Wars as much as you think you do, you take the good with the bad. I'd suggest people not be so ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater, know what I mean? Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, you'll probably live a little longer, too. Without so much hate in your heart!
the thing is though I think there was so little fan service in The Last Jedi that they had to double up on it in The Rise of Skywalker. I think if JJ had done the Last Jedi the fan service would have been spread out over the last two films. Although it does sound like JJ was maybe forced into a few of the choices that were made by KK and Lucasfilm
Rey being a nobody is a powerful notion. In the opposite extreme, Rey being related to Palpatine has the value of demonstrating that you can be pre-destined for evil, but overcome it.
Pre-destined for evil? Evil isn't exactly genetic or "in the blood" (see also "the Skywalker line after Anakin"). Evil is either learned/taught, the absence of good role models, or it is a mentality (psychopathy/sociopathy, which isn't exactly "evil-evil" in most cases). I felt Palpatine was trying to lure Rey to the Dark Side using that flimsy reasoning. Besides, the parent that *was* a Palpatine was willing to sacrifice themselves to "save" Rey, right (been a while since I watched the movie)? I mean, they abandoned her to basically become a scrapper slave to an alien, but... Maybe that was better than the alternative?
someone mentioned something about building a lightsaber...that should have been the mcguffin for Rey for the 3 movies, have her fight with force powers and her staff, then construct the lightsaber in the 3rd and the chains are off so to speak
Have to disagree about Luke raising his X-wing. It did fit his character in that he raised it so she could finish what he started when he first landed on Dagobah. It was his way of passing on a piece of himself to the next generation. Plus it was a nod to Empire for the fans.
00:00 INTRO, EDDIE MURPHY ON SNL
05:10 MARC ON CATS
13:14 KEV ON JOKER, MARC DIDN'T LIKE IT!
21:10 SEEING RISE OF SKYWALKER
1:24:50 OPEN MIC ON SW:ROS AND PRIZES
21:15 they get into Star Wars (slowly. . . 25:07 to dive in)
Thanks.
Thanks Mate 👍
Tyvm
This guy.
thankyou
Mark is the RT Scores, and Kevin always the fan score on RT.
It's almost like these are scripted lul
Not for Batman V Superman
TheFrogWhoLaughs Lol only someone with no social skills would think this is scripted
Anakin totally brought balance to the force. Before Anakin there were like a thousand jedi, and 2 sith. After Anakin, there were 2 jedi, and 2 sith. Balance.
That's always been my interpretation/analysis
Yeah... the story of Rey and Ben is the result of what Anakin did. Is that balance into effect. A consequence.
Let's see... we had Sidious, Vader on one side... + like 7 or 8 inquisitors... then Yoda, Obi, Kanan, Ahsoka, Ezra... so i don't know if there's balance... Luke and Leia and "The Child" are still not Jedis in ANH so let's not count them in... oh and then we have the guy from Fallen Order, so as much as i like that thought, i don't know if it works now with this new canon...
Even after the OT, you had Luke and Leia, Palpatine and Snoke
@imnotmike "Balance to the force", means a clean slate by George Lucas definition. So, Vader in Revenge of the Sith, actively participates in the Jedi Purge. He destroys all of them, when he kills Ben Kenobi in A New Hope. And he fulfills bringing Balance to the Force, when he kills the 2 remaining Sith (himself and the Emperor), in Return of the Jedi. Thus, nothing is left. And the movie ends with the endless cycle of Jedi fighting Sith being over, the force is finished. The Hero Journey of Luke is to redeem his father and to witness the end of the force and it's back and fourth mundane cycle. Which they explore this more in KOTOR with Kreia.
Finally... thank you guys for some much needed healthy, balanced and entertaining discussions on Star Wars. This cleans my soul.
Episode 1 and episode 9 should switch titles.
Mate of mine made very a compelling argument why the titles of the Return of the Jedi and the Last Jedi should be switched.
Except palpating is revealed in the opening crawl, so there’s no phantom. And he isn’t menacing in this one.
@@TheREALTiPPiDa I never thought of that, but it actually makes sense, for obvious reasons.
@@barbarjinx3802 "THE DEAD SPEAK". Dead i.e. ghost i.e. phantom.
Plus he's rather phantom-like in appearance.
@Tim Jacuzzi lol I have nothing but respect for her( I mean, look at her freaking resume!) But it's time for a new creative voice bts. Just imagine what a Feige and Filoni helmed Star Wars would look like...🤤
Palpatine: i am all the sith
Rey: and i...am...ironman
*force fart*
The Son of Mortis is the Sith
@@elephantpowerproductions mortis der soulstealer? He had a kid after he came back?
Chewy’s reaction to Leia’s death was very satisfying as this was literally the first time any character showed real emotions and sorrow from the OG characters deaths. Both Han and Luke barely had any recognition after their deaths so chewy showing his emotions like he actually should when one of his most best of friends passes was just heartbreaking but I’m glad they finally did it
Shaun Bang in my star wars movie the third one would of been a wookie revenge tale with Chewie killing kylo at the wnd
I actually thought it was really weird. The “friendship” of the OG characters, and even the reaction to the characterization of the OG characters, is often very starkly contrasted against the reality of what’s on screen. We NEVER see anything that would suggest that Leia and Chewbacca have a deep or close relationship.
I felt like the scene was an over correction to how Chewbacca was treated in previous films
I will say Chewy's rage at Kylo for killing Han felt pretty real to me "I don't care that you are his kid, I don't care about your internal struggle I want to kill you" and then he tries to that felt like a real reaction from him
Agreed that it's closer to the mark than his reaction to Han's punk--- murder. I thought Chewy should've gone ape after losing Han.
@@MrGenexxx i think i saw that on p$!n hub
It’s like nobody here watched revenge of the sith. The emperor DID die, he’s not a clone, he didn’t survive the fall, he died. He brought himself back to life, just like his master, plagueis
sinister kiid So Plagueis was resurrected? When?
I’m probably wrong. But, I had the distnct impression that Palpatine survived because of his Mastery of the Darkside. Just as Darth Maul survived in Clone Wars.
Plagueis essence transferred to Palpatine long ago
Revenge of the Sith? You mean return of the Jedi?
you referring to what Palpatine said to Anakin?
The only reason Leia doesn't die in TLJ was so she and Luke could do their final scene together. So the question is what would be more satisfying considering if she dies doing the "Leia Maneuver" would that be more satisfying than her last reunion with Luke?
Watching this for two reasons:
1. Great show
2. To remember audiences
Kevin reviews this like someone fearfully disarming a bomb while Marc keeps cutting all the wires.
Anakin shoulda showed up to Kylo Ren. A person who was in Ben's exact position and would have made more sense to lead him back to good.
I love how the more Kevin talks to mark, his rose colored glasses slip lower and lower on his nose. It's like seeing a kid slowly realize there's no santa Claus.
He finally realized this trilogy is utter crap and he knows they fumbled it and no matter how he bags on the Prequels they literally narratively shit all over this trilogy and its hilarious
@@CynicallyObnoxious if I had to pick between the new trilogy and prequels, I'd go prequels, simply because their shit flows down, new trilogy shits on the original, prequels shit on the void, I think. Don't know the EU enough to know if it does.
@@TheOnlyGuermo How do the prequels not shit on the Original trilogy? Midichlorians? Yoda with a lightsaber?
1:07:10 Yes, the last person to appear to Rey should have been young Leia, but no, that's not what she should have said. Or at least not the last thing she should have said. Sure she could say "You can do this. Get up." But the last thing she says, the last thing we hear from the jedi voices is "You're our only hope." It'd work even better if Rey had been a Kenobi, but I think that's still the perfect thing for Leia to go out on.
@1:35:36 - "Luke Skywalker is just a kid from nowhere." - No he isn't. He thinks he's just a kid from nowhere but it turns out his father was a great Jedi (who turned evil and became the #2 Sith Lord). Just like Rey thinks she's just a kid from nowhere but it turns out her grandfather was the #1 Sith and her parents hid her to keep her safe.
Luke never came from nothing and we find that out in Obi-Wan's hut when he gives Luke Anakin's Lightsaber. Harry Potter was not a flip on that, it was the same thing. Thinks he's from nowhere and nothing, turns out he's a somebody.
He was talking how it was back in 77
@@donoso1312 - Yes, I know. And I explained that in 1977 we first met Luke, a kid working on his uncle's moisture farm on a desert planet. Within 20 minutes we found out that, contrary to what his uncle told him, his father was a great Jedi who once fought in the Clone Wars along side the old man whom everyone around believes is just a simple hermit. Right from the beginning we learn that nothing is as it seems. Other mysteries unfold in the subsequent movies.
Similarly, we met Rey, a scavenger on a desert planet. Shortly thereafter, we learn she was left there by her parents for some unknown reason and a lightsaber calls to her. She is incredibly strong with the Force, despite never being trained... we should realize that something unknown is yet to be discovered. Other mysteries WILL unfold in the subsequent movies.
Would have been a better story if Rey was a nobody and that anyone can become a powerful Force user. Why does everyone have to be related to someone else important to matter? Nothing would have had to change in the movie other than removing some BS flashbacks and some dialogue from Palpatine. This would leave open many more options going forward in the Star Wars universe.
actually Ezra was not in Rise of Skywalker. His voice did not appear and name did not appear in credits. It was Kannan Jarus (freddi prinz jr) , Ezras jedi master who trained him. right now Ezra is still missing and nobody knows what happened yet
I thought all of that stuff was wiped from cannon. This is getting confusing.
@@ZanyGeek Rebels was the first thing that came out after the canon wipe. Before that, the only non-movie material that stayed canon was Clone Wars. (and the first part of a short story that had just come out before the announcement... can't remember the name.)
It also means Asoka's dead, and Ezra isn't.
Probably going to be a villain in the rise of kylo comics
@@collins.4380 Asoka would be old at this point, wouldn't she? Leia died, Luke died...so she realistically could be dead too. Your theory fits
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Finn was going to tell her "Epstein didn't kill himself."
RedHeadKevin just like the clothes in my closet!
RedHeadKevin epstein doesnt exist in star wars canon. If he did, he probably would have commited suicide like he did IRL
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Hugh tube lmao
You win this comment section
Whats better than Rey being from nowhere and being a hero? Rey being from the darkest seed and still being a hero.
Rey did come from nothing, but she had a horrible somebody when she found out she came from somewhere... it's the tale of a loving adoption and an unnatural relation. That's why kylo who was not adopted but raised by who adopted her mattered so much.
The movie should have been called weekend at Palpatines.
Hilarious!!! lol
Then they should have brought Bernie Mack back, Jack. He could talk smack about the Dark side like nobody's business...
"Weekend at Palpie's"
Do it...
@@LETSTALKENTERTAINMENT I made a weekend at Bernie reference and this guy really thought I meant Bernie Mac. Must be good weed
The entire star wars films was based on the adventures of the two random robots. C3PO and R2D2. George Lucas was trying to take you and your friend on a D&D quest throughout time. He succeeded.
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"The expression is to land this fish."
"No, it's land this bird! Just like landing a plane to be in business."
"I know it's silly to get hung up on these kinds of things, but I do."
"How am I gonna land a FISH? It can't walk! And if it swam up on shore, and battled a hawk, who is gonna win?"
" why isn't she doing the shit? Why isn't she destroying the fkn death stars?" Because the internet would have lost it. They were already pissed off that Rey moved 30 rocks with force telekinesis in the last jedi so that the fkn crystal foxes could escape or shit.
This video is longer than the movie it's talking about, and I fucking love that.
Give Chewie the Falcon and have him sit in Hans spot. I'm getting misty-eyed just thinking about it.
I know some people are upset that Rey isn’t a “Nobody” anymore but you still got your “Nobody” who became a hero...Finn. He started off as FN-2187 to General Finn & potentiality a Jedi in the future.
We still don’t know much about him but for Finn to turn away & still come out a hero who found himself & his own family through the force after everything he went through is a beautiful thing.
So wouldn't have been better if Finn was the main protagonist instead of Rey? You just described a better Star Wars trilogy than we got. Finn, a former Storm Trooper turned Jedi.
Did anyone notice Ben looses his scar after ray heals him, and that’s when he turns to the light side, it’s like she healed his soul.
The healing does something to the persons character....In the Mandolorian when the Child healed Greef, He changed to good. When Rey healed the snake creature, it changed. It appears that force Healing adds light to the person removing darkness
@@DamnYoureGarbage I saw it in the movie with Ben, but totally missed those other instances! Now I gotta go back and rewatch!
Who would’ve known all it took was a metaphorical bitch slap for him to quit acting like a bish.
A shame Rey didn’t heal Finn’s scar😒
The thing is, Kylo-Ren is unredeemable. People always forget that he was resposible for multiple genocides. You don't redeem easy like that after killing billions and billions of innocent people.... Not even with daddy issues.
Marc at beginning: Man, too much fan service. Give me something I didn't know I wanted.
Marc 25 minutes later: I WANTED TO SEE ALL THE JEDI I LIKE!!!!
I love that man with the 1977 shirt. My faith is restored.
Prediction: Kevin LOVES IT! Mark.... has problems......
You didn't see Kevin blowing Mickey Mouse in the back alley?
Kevin loves The Last Jedi, which is disturbing.
He only talks about stuff he likes so duh. He loves fan service too
@@Mhats After Rise of Skywalker, does that really matter anymore? Really?
He would love it if the entirety of the film was actually Cats with the Star Wars label
Holy shit, Steele Saunders just casually in the crowd. Wasn’t expected that, but of course he’s there.
His disappointment was delicious
The cloning process was never supposed to be good at making force users. It wasn't something they could replicate. So palpatine/sideous hopping into clone bodies was just burning through them. It literally degrades them. That's why he was trying to join with Rey. The clones just arent powerful enough of vessels.
Marc isnt really right w the Lando line... Poe did meet him. For like 2 movies Poe thought all hope was lost and he had been giving those speeches about “there’s gotta be someone out there we can’t be alone.” So he was just so relieved that help did come. Not so much that Lando popped up tho
In answer to Kevin's question about who voiced "Win the war!", a character called Boolio, apparently it was Mark Hamill :)
"Boolio marks Mark Hamill's fourth Star Wars character after Luke Skywalker, the voice of Darth Bane in Star Wars: The Clone Wars, and Dobbu Scay in Star Wars: The Last Jedi. Dobbu was the little guy in the casino who confused BB-8 with a slot machine.
When he does get credited for such things, he likes to use a pseudonym that combines his brothers' names -- Patrick Williams."
Kevin Smith thinks like a fan.
Marc Bernardin thinks like a writer
"On your left."
Thank you, Marc.
Bonzulac Kevin has been a writer for much longer than Marc. Trust me there’s plenty of shit out there Kevin doesn’t like but he’d rather spend time talking about stuff he loves because he’s not worried about trying to sound smart all the time. Kevin is a good writer BECAUSE he thinks like a fan. Marc got a big head and forgot how to be a fan.
@@JBJones66 So? A fan has to remove their brain whenever they go see a movie? I'm sorry that you seem to think people who strive towards greatness are less of a being than those who settle for "fan service". Sad.
Per Karlsson arguing against things I never said is like setting up pins and knocking them down. It’s easy.
Fan service, like anything else, can be good or bad. You don’t have to remove your brain and ignore flaws sure, but people have lost the ability to say that a movie was just ok. Everything is either amazing or it’s shit because the internet has sensationalized opinions.
@@JBJones66 To be fair, you wrote: "Kevin is a good writer BECAUSE he thinks like a fan". That makes no sense. Not in general, and especially not when it comes to Kevin Smith. The two movies that put Kevin on the map were original ideas. Also, The Rise of Skywalker disappointed a lot of fans.
@@JBJones66 yeah, it is refreshing because the trend is to shit all over anything star wars or any knew movie. It's cool to hear someone have a positive spin and not the boring same ol pessimistic take on things
Gotta disagree on the "Leia brings Han back to talk to Kylo" point.
Kylo has been lectured to and pleaded with by his dad, by Rey, even by Lor San Teka at the beginning of TFA. He's a grown man and the handholding had to end. For his turn to really mean anything, it had to be HIS decision, it had to come from WITHIN.
Han essentially speaking as Ben's conscience, as an embodiment of his guilt, remorse and regret, giving him a chance to do over that fateful moment on Starkiller Base...it was perfect.
The movie has flaws, for sure, but that scene could not have been done better.
1:50:10 Lando totally does do that for those characters. You don't think that this new Resistance didn't hear stories about the man who blew up the second Death Star? That if anybody from the old Rebellion can wrangle people together when there's no Leia or Han or anybody else, that it wouldn't be Lando?
Nah, Marc is spot on.
On your left!
Lando was the right call, and believable. The most charismatic member of the rebellion, with ties everywhere from organized crime to big business with his Cloud City run. And yes, dodged Death Star lasers, took on star destroyers, and blew up the damn death star. Wedge was on a golf course in the outer rim, and when Lando called, he answered. As did the rest.
I want to change one thing that you said Mark: Leia passes her own lightsaber and it some what looks like the Princess is knighting her champion and says, "Help EVERYONE Rey Skywalker... Now Rise!"
It's in the comic books that The Emperor manipulated the midiclorians to conceive Anikin
They rolled that back. Called the Dark Side an unreliable narrator
so reylo incest is now cannon..... or they were just making this crap up as they went along.
@@talent103 The Emperor isn't the biological father of Anikin he just used the force to make life grow in Anikin's mom so no incest
That’s been confirmed as false by current Lucasfilm writers.
@@Sam-du5oe I know man but on the video they were asking were that came from so I commented that's all
When obi wan spoke to Rey, he should have said, ""Hello There"
“ Oh it’s you!”
Wait, so you're saying he shouldn't have uttered that oh-so-classic line, "always the move."
Luke lifting the X-Wing out of the water was the perfect way to wrap up his progression throughout the saga. I loved that moment.
Except, it should have happened in Last Jedi when he was alive.
And because people are so easy to please, we get more shitty Star Wars. Thanks.
The emperor himself said he died in the movie...So Anakin’s sacrifice wasnt voided. If anything this was just the emperor saying “Remember what I said about the Darkside being unnatural in Episode 3? I meant it!” They in no way undid Anakin’s story arc. He did bring balance to the force. That doesn’t mean it would always stay in balance.
Started watching the channel when you cried over The Flash.
Thank you both for being too awesome for words. 🙏🏽
That was a great point about Finn being the inspiration for the former stormtroopers rising against the first order.
Re: the Leia force projection scene - my thought was that Leia was sensing Kylo and Rey fighting at that moment. As the surrogate mother figure to Rey and actual mom to Ben, she didn't want either of them to die. The reach out with "Ben" was her trying to metaphysically pause or break the fight up - but then she passes away, Ben feels it....and the rest of the scene unfolds. Sorry - listening at work, at minute 57 got me really engaged in that debate.
Yeah, I felt she was sensing that Ben was going to kill Rey, and she knew she had to stop him, that he had to die to be redeemed, etc..
Kevin we need you to either direct a Star Wars film of your own or an episode of The Mandalorian. It would be epic!
The main premise of the Palpatine clones is that Palpatine’s dark side essence was so powerful and corrosive that each clone he occupied decayed at an accelerated rate because they weren’t the original body. That’s why he wanted to transfer to Rey. That’s why he took Rey and Kylo’s life essence. It made his clone body strong enough to store his power.
I love that Kevin sees the good in everything and talks about what he loves. Marc? .. no comment. Good to have Kevin back!
I'm pretty sure Anakin was the chosen one to bring balance to the force by destroying the jedi. I think the force was out of balance because there was too many jedi and it needed more dark side and Anakin came through like a boss!
Nah. The prophecy of "the chosen one" goes back at least 2000 years before episode 1. The force was considered unbalanced all the way back then when the Jedi, and Sith were both tens of thousands strong. Disney just blew a huge plot hole in the continuity. Kathleen Kennedy has been telling us for years that she doesn't care for the original story.
No, the balance of the Force was clearly restored when Anakin destroyed *Palpatine*, not the Jedi.
The John Williams cameo? No lines just an appearance, he was the guy with the eye piece shaking his head
This should be watched by everyone on the internet and taken as how to behave when 2 opposing viewpoints discuss Star Wars.
They arent actually opposing viewpoonts though. Kevin agrees with Marc but he cant say as much as he wants because of his personal work relationships
Coming back as a force ghost was created by Qui-Gon Jinn. And then eventually only talk to Yoda and then eventually Obi-Wan Kenobi and then Luke Skywalker and Leia. And he's right for schools have always been powerful. Obi-Wan Kenobi could sense the trouble that Luke was in and he was able to communicate with not just him but Yoda as well. That's throughout the Galaxy. When Yoda died he was able to conjure lightning. When Luke died he was able to grasp solid objects and use the force. These Are Not Mere tasks. But the battle still needed to be won
Anakin/Vader brought balance to the Force for 25 years which is about as long as the Empire was around. How is that not a worthy sacrifice? Some of this just seems to be complaining for the sake of complaining.
I like the idea that Kylo Ren’s whole thing is wanting to be the next Darth Vader and ended up doing something Vader never could. He saved the woman he loved. Anakin turned based on a lie by Palpatine that the Sith had a power to keep people from dying. Sith are selfish so the power to give ones life force to another to save them is of course would be a Jedi power. I think that’s brilliant. IT brought that whole thing full circle
I disagree that palpatine was lying about keeping people from dying. There probably aresith Magic’s that do that. But you are right that he was lying about teaching Anakin. He never intended to.
Palpatines survival itself is likelihood that the sith know how to extend life.
JazGalaxy well, if the Sith have a power to extend life it would only be their own life.
JazGalaxy the way he described it being unnatural said to me that if it did exist, what it did to the person probably screwed them up. Like maybe bringing them back as some sort of mindless husk or zombie. Anyway the fact the Jedi were able to do this all along makes Anakin’s turn even more foolish and tragic. I think once everything settles and this movies ages, I think it’s gonna be looked backed upon more fondly than it currently is.
before anakin thousands of jedi, 2 sith, after anakin, 2 jedi, 2 sith. How is that not balance?
the best thing to have Palpatine to say for his first scene would have been "Have you heard of The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise" and that sinister grin would of done it for me which now that i think about it makes rays healing powers have more sense to them
You guys didn't pay much attention if you're that hung up on who built the star destroyers. If you looked at them you would have noticed they were smaller, older models compared to the First Orders star destroyers. The Emperor must have had them built and stored there as a contingency plan before the events of Return of the Jedi. They were upgraded with the new death star cannons, but other than that, they were already built and waiting there for 30 years.
Episode 9...travis style summary.
Kylo is supreme leader doing the supreme leader thing and searching for Rey.
Rey is with Leia studying the old jedi books. Leia explains to Rey the prophesy of skywalker and the family history. She explains how even Luke was once tempted with the dark side but Vaders sacrifice saved Luke from it. Because of this...she feels even Ben has good left in him and can be redeemed.
Kylo is studying the works of snoke and goes through the artifacts and finds hints of a deeper secret.
Kylo eventually discovers that snoke was a clone...and old clone. Older than anyone has known. He discovers that in fact...the body was a clone but was controlled by the force projection of Plageius. Kylo goes to find him.
Rey feels through the force kylos discovery and goes to leia. Leia fears that if kylo finds plageius...the end of the rebellion is over.
A new snoke contacts kylo and they meet. Snoke explains that palpatine did in fact kill plageius but the body was just another force projected controlled clone. And that the secret has always been life through projection. Kylo bends the knee seemingly to accept that snoke/plageius is in fact the supreme force user.
After subplots and a few adventures...the rebellion find the real plageius location. Kylo and the sith army are ready for the largest battle. Rey traveled to the island and Luke reveals that she is in fact palpatines granddaughter and that his child didnt have the force and when she was a baby...they discovered she had the force. Fearful of her connection with her grandfather....they send her to Luke. Luke reveals that he knew plageius was still alive and hiding and waiting...and that he had trained hundreds of young padawans in preparation. And that he force wiped their minds.and scattered them throughout the galaxy waiting for plageius to reveal his plans. Rey asks him if Luke is worried she will fail being a jedi and become a sith. Luke says that he never trained jedi...and that he meant it that he was the last jedi....and hands her a hidden book. The book of the grey jedi.
The final battle comes along and rey arrives wearing grey jedi regalia....everyone is shocked. She sparks up the grey jedi saber and uses the force to remove the memory wipe. It is revealed that Finn, Poe, the little stable boy from the end of the last jedi...all of them were trained at Luke's grey jedi temple.
It is also revealed that kylo was in fact Luke's apprentice....and never had his memory wiped. That he was tasked with pretending to go dark side. That the memory of him turning on Luke and destroying the temple was all fabricated. Snoke knew he was struggling with the light and dark and Han knew that he must sacrifice himself to keep snoke off Ben's trail. That's why ben told him he knew what he needed to do but didnt know if he had the strength....and han was actually comforting him and telling him to do it.
Now Ben Solo and Rey Palpatine lead the army of freshly woken grey jedi against plageius and the sith army.
Many die but plageius falls and the grey win.
The movie ends with Rey accepting that she is a palpatine and that a name doesnt define who they are....just as it was with the skywalker's. Ben says that the prophecy was that the skywalker's were destined to find balance between the dark and light....and that the grey are that balance. He says that jedi cant marry but as a grey.....and takes a knee seeming to propose.
I really, really wanted to love this movie. I keep looking for reasons to love it. The Han/Kylo scene was great. The action scenes were superb. Carrie’s scenes were handled with an incredible amount of grace. And on and on. Objectively though - this movie has some serious problems. Its very hard to overlook them, but I don’t count myself in the group that is trashing every second of the film. There is a lot to love in this movie. But for folks out there that are really, really not enjoying it - that’s valid. If you love it, you love it. If you don’t, you don’t. At the end of the day, the only valid opinion is your own.
You can tell when a Kevin really likes something... like endgame or far from home, and when he kind of likes something (like rise of sky walker) but doesn’t want to hurt feelings or step on his friends toes (like JJ who invites him to set and puts him in the movie. He seemed to still be ok with the film... but wasn’t squealing all over it like we’ve seen in the past.
I had the same take away. He knows this movie could have been more, even if he doesn't know how to fix it. Good thing he has writer friends around him who can. The fact that his buddy made a Finn rewrite and made Kevin tear up says a lot. JJ couldn't figure out how to make old SW fans care about the new characters without resorting to MEMORIES, but I digress....
Kevin is the kind of guy who will never say he dislikes a movie publicly (probably because he likes having cameos and directing episodes of tv shows, etc.).
Marc dropping facts man. I honestly didn’t know how to feel about this movie. Thanks for the opinions my guy
Hi, I saw the movie yesterday, and I think what Leia does is that she ties her life to her son's, to give Rey time to heal Kilo / Ben, and that's why in the end when Ben heals Rey, transferring him of his vital energy, both Ben and Leia's body disappear, Ben was alive on borrowed time.
My general opinion of this film is that TROS did the best that it could to get to a somewhat satisfying conclusion from where TLJ left off.
That being said, I thought that TLJ was mostly a detour, diversion or wrong turn on the way to the eventual destination.
It's like if the sequels are a trip leaving Los Angeles and TFA took it up through Arizona, Utah and Colorado (on its way to New York) but then TLJ took it through New Mexico and Texas (on it's way to New Orleans).
Now some of the people in the car were expecting to go through Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania and get to New York. They are mostly dissatisfied with their time in New Mexico and Texas and want to get to New York.
Other people in the car, like this new direction and want to keep going to New Orleans and continue on to Orlando.
The driver of TROS, understanding that the original destination was New York, has to make a decision. Do I take the shortest path to New York through Arkansas, Tennessee, Virginia, Maryland and Pennsylvania even though it might be less satisfying? Or do I double back through Colorado and see all of the sights we originally planned even though it will take more time (an extra movie)? Or do we go to New Orleans and Orlando, then head up the coast to New York which will take even more time (maybe 1 or even 2 extra movies)?
In the end he decided, "Look, we can't go to Orlando, we're going to New York. And I can't give you Nebraska and Iowa. I'm sorry but we've come too far this way, we should have been in Indiana by now and we have to make up time. We will see some interesting things as we pass through Arkansas and Missouri though. You might like them but they'll be fast. And I'll definitely give you Illinois, even though it's out of the way, because I know you were looking forward to that. Then we'll go through Indiana, Ohio and Pennsylvania like we planned... and we'll get to New York!"
It's not that the destination in unsatisfying. It's that we took the wrong journey and we had to speed through two great States to get there. Is that the fault of TROS? And hey, I understand if you like New Mexico and Texas. New Orleans and Orlando might have been really fun too... but when we left Los Angeles, we were going to New York. I'm sorry if you got your hopes up but this was the planned destination. Well here we are in New York, let's enjoy the destination and the journey. Even the detour through New Mexico, Texas, Arkansas and Missouri, it wasn't all bad.
Personally, I wish that the second driver had known the destination and took us on the more direct path. However, given the diversion, I probably would have taken some extra time, go to NOLA and FLA! See the sights, then head up the coast to NYC, it'll be a hell of a trip!
All of this is to say either pick a path and everyone go in the same direction. Or if you want to go on an extended journey, DON't LOCK YOURSELVES INTO A TRILOGY! From the very beginning, I never understood why anyone was referring to this as the sequel trilogy, just call it the continuing saga. The prequels had to be a trilogy because A New Hope was already numbered as Episode 4, but the sequels didn't have to be a trilogy.
As soon as JJ took over on Episode 9, I hoped to hear, "This isn't going to be a trilogy, it's going to be at least 10 total episodes, maybe more. JJ will co-write and co-produce and we'll have multiple directors in various stages of production."
Everyone in the cast decide if you want to re-up right now for Episode 10 and/or 11, or get written out in Episode 9. We need to know who we're writing for and in which episodes. Then while 9 was in production, 10 is pre-pro. When 9 goes into post, 10 goes into production and 11 is in pre-pro. It's not like there's a shortage of money at Disney or resources at Lucasfilm. Hell, Marvel does it for 3 films a year, why can't Lucasfilm do 1 a year.
Overall, a somewhat satisfying conclusion to a poorly planned, less than ideal journey.
If Ben Solo was the one to rally the rebellion and save the fleet, that would have been his Han saving the rebellion moment as well
Yeah and Kylo could have reached out with the force to explain the timeline. How did someone gather those ships that fast?>
Just trawling IMDB :
Warwick Davis ... Wicket W. Warrick
Harrison Davis ... Pommet Warwick
So Warwick Davis's son played Wicket's son, that's amazing!
I thought he looked familiar!
Named after Harrison Ford!
Why were they drawing the line at Palpatine being a clone?
“Now you are bringing science to this.”
...so we just going to act like the clone wars isn’t a thing?
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This is one Star Wars movie that we actually need a special edition of ,with all new force ghosts added, live action Ashoka, Ezra, Kanan, Voss and the rest all stood like a fucking Alex Ross cover ,standing legion saying "RISE" and "We are with you" .Maybe general Syndulla Chopper and Xeb added in the background of the Rebel scenes. They really dropped the ball on the easter eggs/fan service. This was the last movie, they should have gone nuts with these.
The Clone body is jacked up because, the cloning tech is fine, they are perfect clones until he jumps into them, but the technique makes the bodies age and fall apart at a highly accelerated rate, hence him being the life essence vampire, they help fix the body to be able to contain his sith spirit. Thats how it worked in the Dark Empire story
+1000 for kevins idea at 1:03:48 of having had leia die valiantly carrying out the 'holdo maneuver' to save the resistance escape... this would also be one way to address the 'why hasnt everyone in star wars used mass-weaponized hyperspace' conundrum by maintaining that only a keenly force sensitive pilot, like luke or leia, can effectively use the force to time the end of the maneuver perfectly enough to pull it off successfully (but the force sensitive pilot has to remain on the ship and sacrifice themselves in the process, which makes this too costly to use at scale)
past experiments using droids and hyperspace computers to attempt weaponized hyperspace could be said to have all been failures for always coming out of hyperspace a fraction of a nanosecond off and either over- or under-shooting the target, so a NON-force sensitive pilot would obviously also have no chance of succeeding either unless they got one-in-a-million lucky. this aligns neatly with the way luke hits that first death star trench exhaust port shot in ep.iv when obi wan tells him to use the force instead of the x-wing targeting computer to time the shot perfectly while flying at full-throttle
You're trying to dig deep into 9 movies that were made for kids. Calm down.
Since I like good writing and logic.. I like your point
The hooded figures in the arena with Palpatine and Rey we're not Sith. Remember the rule of two. They were Sith worshippers.
YodatheHobbit the Sith are an alien race. They worshipped the Dark Jedi. That where Dark Lord Of The Sith comes from.
Only problem with Lukes Force ghost lifting his Xwing is like if all Force ghosts could use their powers like this why weren’t they more helpful to Rey and Ren in the end battle Like taking care of the knights
because they can't all do it
Strika1184 but Luke could...so why didn’t he help? Or yoda, or anakin...?
Jekl_67 it woulda been cool if Mace and Kanan showed up and kicked some Knights ass!
I think there's more to it. In Empire Strikes Back, Ben kenobi says that he can not interfere when Luke confronts Vader. I've never known what he meant by that.
Allan O Castro right? Order 66 backfires big time when ALL the strongest Jedi come back as force ghosts and just run through the knights.
Why does the Emperor look old and decrepit with huge jowls, but he didn't look scarred like he was at the end of Episode III? Then he heals himself using Rey and Ben's Force energy and his scars come back. Why didn't they heal so he looked normal like he did for most of the prequels?
As a total guess, I think it has to do with his completely corrupt nature, cloning through who knows how many deaths, and just the drain that his level of dark side power would put on someone. The healing between Rey and Ben, on the other hand, comes from a place of hope, impossible love, and light. So at least in a whimsical sense, them healing on a more pure, rejuvenation level makes sense.
Mark is basically using the Alan Moore concept for the role of the artist. “It's not the job of the artist to give the audience what the audience wants. If the audience knew what they needed, then they wouldn't be the audience. They would be the artists. It is the job of artists to give the audience what they need.”
I don't know if it's significant, but my first thought when I saw Rey's new lightsaber was that it was a call back to the original Kenner Luke action figure, which had a yellow lightsaber in his arm. That hit me hard and took me back to playing with those toys as a kid, and whether intentional or not, I loved that moment!
Oh damn, that's a fantastic point.
Also when the emperor force lighting the sky that shit was epic, I was disappointed when Luke didn't do something similar in the last jedi but he lifted the x wing in this one so it's all good
A call back J.J. Abram missed...
Final Order Office: The resistance is riding horse on the deck sir
General Pryde: Try spinning, that's a good trick!
Leia was probably supposed to use her power to make both Han and her appear to Kylo and persuade him back over to the lightside (using the medal as a focus to summon Han, and her connection to Rey, who was her apprentice), but Carrie died, so they only used Han, and managed to make it work...she couldn't do it prior to the fight on the Deathstar, because she also needed the connection between Kylo and Rey to be at a certain level, as their connection through The Force also seemed to be growing stronger and stronger throughout the movies, and she needed Rey to be at a certain level of power (casting force lightning) to create a strong enough connection to insure she would be able to get through to Ben under Kylo; all this was also aided by Kylo and Rey being in close physical proximity to each other, with Rey kinda acting like an antenna...
I would have preferred Rey just be Rey. They could have kept the Emperor and him wanting to live through her, but they did not need to make her a relative. Which would have made her taking the name Skywalker at the end more poignant because she was nobody.
I wish I liked it, but unfortunatelly I didn't.
Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter makes no sense. When Palpatne got first child, in his 70's? Also force stays in the family but skips every second generation?
That opening lightspeed sequence makes no sense at all, and Tie fighters followed them anyway?
I guess Han solo saying ''going to hyperspace is not joke'' seem like a joke now.
Palpatine being alive ''just because'', and throwing a line from Revenge of the sith movie should just explain everything??? It's great storytelling I guess
Chewie getting a medal, I was just waiting wink at the camera and Han shot first reference.
Luke catching lightsaber and saying that's not how You treat a weapon of a jedi. I was just waiting wink at the camera again, plus that's only Luke scene, just for a wink??? That's ridiculous.
Now every star destroyer can destroy planet???
I guess Death Star is a joke now looking back.
So much talk about Knights of Ren and they are more pointless than Phasma...
Also BB-8 with Rey at the end on Tatooine just because twin suns look like BB-8 is ridiculous. He is Poe's droid, and he is with Rey just because of a ''cool shot''?
I guess that's deep J. J.'s storytelling.
The Last Jedi at least had scenes I liked, this had no single scene I liked, and I'm not here just to hate on the movie, cause I really wanted it to be at least good, but this was terrible. After perfect ROTJ ending, this was just awfol, this trilogy is pointless.
If someone told me that STAR WARS will be treated as a joke with no story in advance I would call that person insane, sause it's freakin STAR WARS, and of course they have beginning, middle and end planned in advance, and look at me now, I'm laughing at my self.
This thrilogy is just bickering between two directors.
Hope they will have plan in advance for future stuff, and I hope Kathleen Kennedy learned a lesson
( even I guess she didn't cause he recently said they won't have trilogies in the future, they will ake one movie at the time and maybe do sequel if movie is successfull )...... WHICH IS EXACTLY THE MAIN PROBLEM WITH THIS TRILOGY, NO PLAN AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Preach!
Really? You liked ROTJ's ending that much but couldn't stomach ROS? At the end of the day it's a fantasy about space wizards, it's impossible for me to take most of the complaining seriously.
@@naftulzvi3353 You lack imagination
@@danbrown3325 You lack relevancy.
@@naftulzvi3353 as if you didnt lack the same
The real issue after Episode VIII is that to "fix" what Last Jedi did, J.J. need TWO films to make a more comprehensive ending.
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This is the timestamp I was looking for....move along
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Sorry but this is the Palpatine Saga. The Prequels tell the story of how Palpatine rose to power, The Originals shows his reign and fall, The Sequels show the rise to power of his *Spoiler* Grand/daughter Rey who is now the most powerful force user ever x10 to the infinite power.
So yeah fuck the skywalkers, they ended up a footnote in the Palpatine Saga
I kept repeating the Kevin's delivery at 12:33 - that's amazing comedic timing.
It took me a second viewing to come to terms with the Leia-Kylo-Rey scene, and the best I came up with was: Leia sensed that Rey was in danger from her son, so Leia, knowing that Rey was the last hope of saving the galaxy, used the last of her strength to distract Kylo long enough for Rey to strike him down. She may have even sensed that their confrontation was inevitable and that's why she asked Rey not to go searching for Palpatine. Anyway, when Rey stabbed Kylo, she felt Leia's death and realized that Leia gave her life to save Rey; Rey also realized in that moment that her own rage and thirst for revenge against Palpatine led directly to her ill-fated fuel with Kylo and ultimately to Leia having to sacrifice herself. That would in turn make more sense of Rey's abrupt desire to run away to Ach-to. Just, like, my opinion, man!
You guys are missing it he’s not a clone, he’s the only palpatine we’ve seen that wasn’t a clone
Redmage 77 I like your Star Wars movie. 😂
Yesss!! I’ve been waiting for Marks opinion on this
Marc's Baby Yoda Joygasm was fucking priceless
the thing on 1:00:00 would be cool but... from what i got to read somewhere only the officials of the first order know about finn walking out. That stormtrooper who called him traitor knew him before, its not like they sent everyone a report saying fn-2187 is on the loose. That leads to the deleted scene with tom hardy who tought he would never get on the higher ranks.
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Thank you Mark for being the voice of reason. Kev is such a great writer who is great with dialogue and connecting and setting up things within a narrative and I was sure he was going to hate this movie. Not that I don’t think his feelings are genuine, I just think he’s feeling a certain way now that part of his childhood has come to an end.
He’s unable to be critical so I don’t see how he’s a great writer but he is a great comedic writer .
When Rey connected with the generations of Jedi it should have been like in LOTR when Aragon found the ghost army and they showed up when he ran in the battle and they showed up behind him and charged forward
YES!! That would have been soo much better.
I thought it was just Harry vs Voldemort again. I can't believe they couldn't find anything more cinematic than making an X with lightsabers.
Bringing Palpatine in was fine since it was the original idea for EP9 from the beginning. At the time Empire was filmed the idea was Luke would confront only Vader in Jedi, then go off and look for his long lost sister who was not Leia, fall to the Darkside along the way, to end up with bro and sis confronting Palpatine in EP9. But Lucas decided he wanted to get his personal life back together and changed it and we got the EP6 that was released. So by going with Palpatine they just kept the original idea.
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Even better --
If it were Ben that showed up with all of that backup at the end, you could have Poe still give his borderline cynical moment by saying, "oh, that's Kylo Ren's ship... I'm sorry, there's no hope anymore!"
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Ben's voice -- "Hope is like the sun. If you only believe in it when you can see it, you'll never make it through the night."
I get that it wasn't a "perfect" movie. It definitely had some problems. But I don't get why some people get SO angry about it lol it must SUCK to allow anything, let alone a movie or a film franchise to have THAT much control over your emotions.
I honestly kinda feel bad for people who can't simply enjoy something JJST because it doesn't fulfill their EVERY desire.
I've been a Star Wars "superfan" since 1977, I was raised on it, to the point where I would spend my birthday wish every year on the Kenner action figures because that's ALL I could think about until I was like 14 years old in 1990.
After Return of the Jedi we had NOTHING new from Star Wars, my brother and I called it the "Dark Times" lol we didn't even know George was actually making the prequels until after he had re-mastered and released the original trilogy for another theatrical run in like 96, so even though the prequels had OBVIOUS "issues" lol we still appreciated having them, and watched them over and over again because they were Star Wars!
These new films are just as enjoyable, if not more so. And anyone who "HATES" them clearly has some SERIOUS deep-rooted issues. If you only ever enjoy a perfect movie, you're going to have a TON of disappointment in your future.
But, most important of all; It IS what it is!
The movie we got is the movie we got, and NO amount of whining or complaining is EVER going to change it.
So, you can peruse the UA-cam comment sections looking for people who happened to have liked the movie so you can argue and tell them why they're wrong and you're right, or you can just go watch something else lol like when you turn on the radio and there's a song playing that you don't like, or it's a band or musician you hate, what do you do, call the radio station lol or just CHANGE THE FRIGGIN' CHANNEL!?! 😂
If you really love Star Wars as much as you think you do, you take the good with the bad. I'd suggest people not be so ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater, know what I mean?
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, you'll probably live a little longer, too. Without so much hate in your heart!
I liked the movie but I agree with Marc the fan service stopped the movie dead, it could have been so much better.
the thing is though I think there was so little fan service in The Last Jedi that they had to double up on it in The Rise of Skywalker. I think if JJ had done the Last Jedi the fan service would have been spread out over the last two films. Although it does sound like JJ was maybe forced into a few of the choices that were made by KK and Lucasfilm
Rey being a nobody is a powerful notion. In the opposite extreme, Rey being related to Palpatine has the value of demonstrating that you can be pre-destined for evil, but overcome it.
Yesss. This exactly. I still prefer the rey nobody but i can see the meaning behind it.
Bro truee
Then why did she take the name of Skywalker instead of Palpatine?
Pre-destined for evil? Evil isn't exactly genetic or "in the blood" (see also "the Skywalker line after Anakin"). Evil is either learned/taught, the absence of good role models, or it is a mentality (psychopathy/sociopathy, which isn't exactly "evil-evil" in most cases). I felt Palpatine was trying to lure Rey to the Dark Side using that flimsy reasoning.
Besides, the parent that *was* a Palpatine was willing to sacrifice themselves to "save" Rey, right (been a while since I watched the movie)? I mean, they abandoned her to basically become a scrapper slave to an alien, but... Maybe that was better than the alternative?
someone mentioned something about building a lightsaber...that should have been the mcguffin for Rey for the 3 movies, have her fight with force powers and her staff, then construct the lightsaber in the 3rd and the chains are off so to speak
Have to disagree about Luke raising his X-wing. It did fit his character in that he raised it so she could finish what he started when he first landed on Dagobah. It was his way of passing on a piece of himself to the next generation. Plus it was a nod to Empire for the fans.