Gotta disagree Zemo was the best marvel villain they've had. His plot made sense, he didn't needed huge screen time and not only that but he fucking won. He divided the avengers. You guys really need to watch the movie again, zemo was totally needed.
I liked how Zemo played out in the movie, especially because his motivation paralleled the mother in front of the elevator. Although they she chose to confront Stark, Zemo chose to destroy the Avengers. I'd still put Loki as the best Marvel Villain, but Zemo is still around, and may evolve into more of a major villain character, closer to the comic counterpart. Which in the film he shared his name, and that's about it. He's in prison, so there may be experiments. Especially with Gen. Ross seeming in command. He may begin to assemble his own task force like in the comics.
+Ferni , I agree. And I also agree with Schnepp, that he was more of a metaphorical stand-in for all the collateral damage the avengers had brought into the world.
I disagree on zemo not being needed. He was a walking personification of the avenger's failures. He's their mistakes given form, and coming back to haunt them. His plan makes sense. All of the "conveniences" are him taking time to know how the characters react to minor stimulus. I'd concede it to be "convenient" if the effects/results weren't consistent with the targeted characters.
I think he's the strongest villain marvel have had... because his effects are so subtle and he succeeds in his desire to tear them apart. There's no complexity that Loki offers, he's simply a broken man who wants vengeance, but that is still compelling.
+Moist Von Lipwig I agree. A friend of mine also mentioned about the convenience of a CCTV camera in 1991 when Winter Soldier killed Ton'y's parents but then it can be explained away that HYDRA can easily set that up for documentation purposes that its operatives have accomplished their respective missions.
+Hector Santiano ikr? this movie needs to be watched multiple times, it has so many stuff going on that you will definitely miss the first time you watch it.
31:50 It actually wasn't convenient when you think about it. Zemo let the hotel landlady see the corpse in the bathroom because he knew that news would get to the avengers, and Stark, soon enough. So it made sense to me that Iron Man showed up in the bunker. Much of the plot might seem hackneyed unless you have multiple viewings and pay close attention :)
+thtr1310 Yeah, I just don't get how they don't get that. It wasn't convenient, it was planned. Zemo knew he had Cap and Bucky after him from the interrogation he did with Bucky. He only did that to set the stage and trick the heroes. Once he had them on their way then he leaked information to get Stark to clue in on what was going on and so he'd get there. Sure, he didn't know when Tony would get there, but he was in a bunker....he could wait for Cap to call in Iron Man. After all Tony said that he could get through that wall with time, but Cap couldn't. Thus, Cap would have to ask for Tony's help to get to the villain. He'd have to go there even if he didn't figure out where Zemo was.
Zemo is my favorite MCU villain next to Kingpin. I love that they're normal guys. And Zemo attempting suicide because he was successful in not taking over the world, but driving the heroes apart... Great motivation for a simple effective outcome.
+BioCapsule I felt the same way. But he wasn't going to join them until he felt revenge had been served. I really hope they decide to bring him back for more movies.
Jordon Foss I disagree that he needed to felt revenge was serve... as he said, he is a normal human... and no plan survive encountered with the enemy. People say his plan is a bit too convenient but most of his goal can still be achieve even if it didn't unfold the way it did. If he didn't succeed... than he tried his best and will likely still commit suicide. He don't plan to live past this event no matter what.
+David Avery Then let's discuss him. Zemo was well motivated since his family was killed by the avengers. He was a cerebral villain. Breaking Hydra's code. Hiring Crossbones as a suicide bomb. Instigating the socovia accords. Killing T'Chaka turning Black Panther and the World's wrath on Winter Soldier. Using Bucky as a catalyst to divide the avengers since he knew he wasn't strong enough to kill them. Yet he was still polite and sincere to everyone he spoke to. Not thwarting or power crazed like other MCU villains. And he survived this film which so far only Loki has been able to do. That means his story could be far from over. And in a movie that didn't "need" him, the entire franchise can now UTILIZE him. I think Zemo is far from garbage.
Without Zemo, Black Panther would have no place in the movie. There would be no UN explosion, Black Panther wouldn't have hunted Winter Soldier, wouldn't have learnt that he was going after the wrong guy and wouldn't have learnt how to overcome being consumed by revenge.
I have to totally disagree with them on Zemo. He's my favorite villain after Loki. All his motivations worked and his plan wasn't convenient his plan was evolving. There were many times where his plan didn't go exactly where he wanted but he adapted to as need be. If Tony somehow didn't make it to the Hydra base then Zemo would have adapted his plan and leaked it online or send it to Tony. That's the whole point. Zemo was just demonstrating how flawed these heroes are in that they're just humans who can be broken just as much as anyone else. And he didn't even throw one punch. I thought Zemo was genius and not some typical villain but he had a depth and brilliance to him that really made this movie as amazing as it was.
+TheSuperiorGeek +1 agree, they also made it a point that he's not dead, and when martin freeman says his plan failed and he asks "did it?" I feel like they're going to use him again in infinity war. he's a pretty big bad guy in the comics and fucks with the avengers a lot
+Radioactive712 That's what I was thinking that they probably forgot some of the crucial parts that made up Zemo's plan. I noticed after watching this movie a second time that if you don't pay attention to what is going on then you will miss some important pieces of the story and then just equate that to the movie convenient. Hopefully after they see it a few more times they'll notice what people are saying.
"I knew I couldn't kill them. Men more powerful than me have tried and failed...." "A country that crumbles from the inside..." If he had personally sent a msg to Stark saying here I am, come get me, is the one thing that was missing. But he put too much faith in Stark figuring it out himself and showing up at a specific moment.
I know you said it's weird how Zemo knew Iron Man would join Cap in Siberia so that he could play the tape but you have to remember that Zemo called the hotel to bring him his lunch so that when the lady came to bring his bacon and coffee to the room, she'd find the body and his fake mask and that would let Iron Man know that Cap was telling the truth.
+Angus Yuen i wish i could give you 100 thumbs ups. the guys in the video should read your comment. zemo orchestrated it very well. BUT i would have liked zemo to have more impact. i would have put zemo in the first fight instead of crossbones and have him escape from the avengers. crossbones was totally unnecessary. it should have been zemo making them look like idiots and escape and trigger bombs which wanda would try to contain but fail instead of suicide bombing stupidity by crossbones.
Also. Zemo was established as a man with contingency plans. There was a whole sequence of when he was interrogating the Hydra agent. Zemo said that he would just get what he wanted in some other way. They put that sequence in deliberately so that we would understand that none of Zemo's plans were dependant on any specific outcomes. If Tony had not shown up with Cap and Bucky then Zemo would have done something else.
Zemo was the best villian that Marvel has had so far. He was the perfect bad guy for T'challa. Without Zemo Black Panther doesn't work. They did not fail the villian. Y'all are wrong on this one.
+nosuchthing8 at least he broke the avengers in this film out of all the villains he broke the avengers war machine that nigga not forgiving anyone for at least a year
Nope, I liked him. I bought into his story and motivation. I believed Brulh as the character was dangerous and twisted. I enjoyed the reveal of his motivation and plotting. I think without him then the set up and frame of Bucky doesn't make sense and then you lose the awesome motivation for Black Panther. Not that these thing couldn't have been accomplished without Zemo but I liked using him for moving the plot forward. Yes, the ending was convienient but it didn't bother me. I loved the ending scene with Zemo and Panther. I think saying he wasn't needed in the movie overlooks how intrigal his actions were to bringing about the chase for Bucky and panthers motivation for joining the fight. Yes the avengers would have still been on opposite side but the reason for the action was bringing Bucky in and without Zemo' s framing him that wouldn't have been necessary.
You are not alone, for me as a villain look at what he’s accomplished something no other villain has managed to do and it’s effects still linger on through infinity war
I liked the movie alot.. but you (collider crew) can't just say if zemo wasnt there, or didnt have to be there, the movie would of been fine... if he wasnt there, or his ploy wasnt put into motion, NO ONE WILL BE CHASING BUCKY.. end of movie. the conflict to sign the agreement between tony/stark would be the biggest problem.. ya there could of ended into a fight.. but the movie really revolved around zemo going to russia, bucky and cap trying to stop him, the stark avengers trying to capture them. .. imagine if no one was trying get the winter soldier.. it would of been a totally different movie.
Zemo did what ultron couldn't do . Or any other villain could do . Tear them apart from the inside . Pretty much everybody in the comments from all review videos I have seen love the villain .
+Pedro Vasquez LOL So NO ONE in the comments is going to bring up how the cameraman awkardly kept the camera on Kristian while Dennis was talking? That was hilarious and then when he switches to the entire crew you can see Mark Ellis smiling and looking at the situation...
+Pedro Vasquez Yeah, I think the villain was great. And really he's better on additional viewings, because you see and understand his actions better. Constantly listening to that message from his dead wife. All the people he tortured and killed for his revenge....this guy was a good villain. And he did more damage to the Avengers than anyone has to this point.
+Samuel Choong Not by chance. He deliberately called room service so the murder of the real doctor, and the evidence that Bucky was framed would be uncovered. Only when Tony put the pieces together could he find where they went, and go join them by himself. Would get the report, put the pieces together, and go off to join them.
Zemo is underrated. He's JUST A MAN, who took down Earth's Mightiest Heroes. What cant he do? Who cant he manipulate? Like he said: "an individual with skill and experience can do anything." How can you trump the experience and skill of taking down the Avengers? Zemo served the story. He did what no other Avengers villain could do: he broke them. He was cerebral and calculating. He wasn't grandstanding and over the top like most villians. This was a very human story and it needed a villian with human motivations. He wanted to split apart the Avengers to prevent them from hurting anyone else and was going to die knowing he completed his goal and this would enable him to 'be with his family'. Its one of the more interesting aspects of the character, where the villain recognises his actions are evil but views them as for the greater good. Its even hinted earlier in the film that a regular person who lost their son in Sokovia might follow a similar path of revenge when she shows Tony a picture of her son. I think that early MIT scene was a subtle hint of Sokovia having MULTIPLE ramifications for the team. It was another facet of the personal and emotional consequences. The Avengers created their own villian here. The team just happened to create a victim who was an individual blessed with immense skill, perseverance, intelligence and unfortunate anguish. There's so many victims of the Avengers recklessness and Zemo just happens to be the quintessential "vengeful" victim. When anyone is victimized, they tend to eventually have some feelings of vengeance and anger. Zemo is all of that personified.
I love your comments about Zemo. He's a lot more complex than people give him credit for. I don't understand why just because it isn't "spelled out" for people then they think he's not a good villian.
NeonRazor4 there's a subtly to him. He understated and sly. You have to really look at him in a broader manner. Everything isn't speed out with him, as you said.
I think once the panel watch the film again, they'll appreciate Zemo a lot more! Even his 'convenient' moments are actually explained in the film. He gets the hotel clerk to go into his room knowing she will see the dead body in the bath tub and tell the police. It is then not unbelievable that the information would get back to Tony Stark.
Zemo was a fantastic 3rd party character. Love that he wasn't a full-on antagonist, we didn't need one in this movie, we just needed Cap vs Tony and that's what we got, with some help from Zemo. Everything about this movie was handled PERECTLY.
I agree. Maybe Zemo was being to subtle in his manipulation, and that's why they feel he was unnecessary. Not that I'm saying movies should "hand hold" the audience through the plot, but just add a little more apparent connections.
+sinister kiid I totally disagree with Campeas rant about Zemo. And the biggest argument is simple, if you remove him then putting all the events in motions would need som OTHER reason to move along. How is that not MORE convinient and convoluted?
I initially thought that Black Panther was going to have a terrible first outing, just because he's thrown into Civil War. But that was one of the best establishments of a Marvel character. And he has the most badass moments in the movie.
The last scene wasn't convenient. Zemo wasn't just banking on Iron Man showing up. Remember he called the hotel so they would find the body of the real psychiatrist. He knew once that was released to the public that Tony would side with Cap and come to help him, who was headed for the base. that's how he knew all of them would end up there. imo Zemo was a subdued but great villain and did the character from the comic books justice with how he outsmarted the Avengers at every turn.
+Ben Clark the more I think about it, the more I realize that Zemo was a great villain with a very good story, actually. Marvel is known to make heroes out of "ordinary" guys - now they made villain out of one. The second to last scene with him where he tried to shoot himself completely sold me on his character. The revenge was the only thing fueling him and keeping him alive - he's a very tragic villain.
Dude, I freaking LOVED Zemo. He had a motive, he was seriously driven, and it took him a YEAR of prepping and studying to pull off what he did. I completely disagree when people say you take him out, everything would've still happened in the movie. Zemo blowing up the UN opened Pandora's box. Without Zemo's working, the only conflict is Cap and Stark arguing about the accords. Zemo framing Bucky made him a target, which made Cap seek and find him, which led to Bucky revealing the super secret Winter Soldier army, which leads Cap and Stark to that place in Siberia, which leads to Stark finding out about his parents. All this, because of Zemo. No one would've figured anything out unless they themselves took time to probe declassified files in their free time. Zemo brought Bucky out of hiding which set everything into motion. John Campea thinks they could've used another plot device? What? What could they have done that would get Bucky out of hiding by putting all eyes in the WORLD on him?? An explosion caused by an accident? That's stupid and really forced. Framing Bucky is the perfect setup that would make sense and relatable (a victim of the Avenger's good intentions getting revenge on the Avengers), and that ONLY comes from someone MAKING it happen. When Everett Ross was mocking him and telling him his plan failed and Zemo said, "Did it?" implying he actually won this. He didn't kill any Avengers, he split them apart. Now half of them are fugitives. No villain came close to doing that. His motivations were clear. He lost everyone, his dad, wife and son. He snapped, big time. He planned on not making it out alive (suicide), so he went all out. He planned this thoroughly. He's more cunning and driven than ANY MCU villain other than Loki.
+AJ Christopher Completely agree... Not only are half of the Avengers fugitives or in prison, but the ones that are left are (aside from Spiderman) a paraplegic, a confused android, a disenchanted Wakandan King, and a leader with ptsd... there are pretty much no Avengers left
Elliot Fernandez Yeah, and if something goes down, who is the government going to send now? The only ones capable are Stark and Vision. Rhodey is fucked up, Widow is likely on the run too, because I'm pretty sure her helping Cap and Bucky escape will come out. T'Challa is back at home, Parker has homework to do (lol), Rogers and his side are all hiding now. Who is left? I mean, if you think about it, Stark and Vision is a pretty powerful combo in and of itself. But they themselves are fractured. Zemo was largely responsible for all of this. Yeah, the accords set the stage for differing of opinions, but Zemo's actions took the conflict to greater heights.
Zemo may not have been the most entertaining villain but I personally believe that he is the most impactful villain in the MCU so far. The actor that played Zemo did a great job.
Like a lot of other people in the comment section, I disagree with you guys about Zemo. He's the first MCU villain to accomplish what no other villain has: He tore the Avengers apart. I do agree that I didn't need him to be in the movie because I just wanted to see the heroes fight because of their philosophical differences, but he was effective and accomplished a lot as a villain. Other than that this movie was amazing. Here are my pros and cons. -Pros 1. The action scenes (not just the airport scene, because there were sooooo many other ones) are the best I've seen in a superhero movie. 2. The film got me emotionally invested in the characters and the issue. 3. There was tension in the movie and some parts made me feel nervous. There were real stakes. 4. Every single character was done justice and they all got enough screen time and development while it's very clear that this is still Cap's movie. 5. Spiderman and Black Panther were incredible in the movie and got perfect introductions. Especially Spiderman. This is the live action Spiderman that we deserve. I can't wait for both of their solo films. 6. As I stated before, the villain wasn't a horribly done, throwaway villain like a lot of the other MCU movies. 7. The movie had a lot of humor but it wasn't too much and didn't oversaturate the film like what happened with Age of Ultron. Plus the jokes worked and weren't shoved in during serious moments. I was overall thoroughly entertained. 8. They handled the same type of issue that BvS dealt with a lot better than BvS handled it. I don't normally like comparing Marvel and DC but it's hard not to, in this case, when these two movies use a similar issue with philosophical differences and conflict between superheros. Daredevil season 2 also did it better than BvS. -Cons 1. Marvel had an opportunity to kill a key character and get the audience even more emotional but that didnt happen. In a way it seemed like they marketed this movie like someone was gonna eat it and I got fooled by it. 2. As I stated before, they didn't need to have Zemo in the movie. But to counter this, he was effective as a villain overall. I saw this movie twice already and I plan on seeing it again. This might honestly be my favorite Marvel movie ever and is definitely now one of my favorite comic book movies ever overall. I have it either 2nd or 3rd behind the Dark Knight. This movie was just so entertaining overall and had a compelling plot. It's everything you want in an ensemble superhero film. The Russo Bros outdid themselves with this. I give it a solid 9/10.
+Akil Brazier Here's my question; During the movie, Zemo wants to tear the Avengers apart, because he can't kill them. "Better men than me have tried" And then he KILLS THE OTHER WINTER SOLDIERS. THEY WERE THE BETTER (wo)MEN. You could at least have them TRY To kill the Avengers. Maybe you show Tony the video, THEN you hit them with the Winter Soldier Squad while Iron Man has to deal with the emotional baggage of dead parents. That didn't make much sense to me.
Sethabee Yea I can understand that. But he did say that he didn't want more of them. It would've been cool to see a Cap, WS, and IM vs Winter Soldier Squad fight but it would've just been another hero vs villain boss fight. I'm glad that these guys ended up fighting each other rather than the other winter soldiers because it was different than any other comic book movie. But all I can think of is that he might not be able to control them once he lets them out. Idk
+Akil Brazier I'd say Zemo's need to be in the movie would be Black Panther. They can't just have an Avengers "accident" be the death of T'Chaka. If they did that, Black Panther would never join the Avengers, even if it was an accident. And when it had to be a villain who killed his father, i'm glad it was him, rather than Crossbones, or Klaw or something.
Shijir D When I say I didn't really need him in the movie I meant that I wish it was only the heroes fighting each other throughout the movie and we see some people die because of this war, like in the comics. But like I said, they did make up for it and made use for him and he did have an impact.
Baron Zemo is awesome! He is just a regular guy who knows he cannot take the avengers, so he finds the one way to destroy them. This is a great contrast to the other villains. He is also very sympathetic.
Why did they all forget that Zemo killed the doctor that was supposed to question Bucky and took his identity. That's actually how he got into the building, it wasn't coincidence. Zemo then called the room service to bring breakfast so that she would find the body in the tub, thus alerting the authorities and knowing this info would get to Stark. Which is what put Tony Stark on the right track of finding out it was an operative named Zemo who triggered everything and activated Bucky back at the building. Which would put Tony on the same chase as Captain and Bucky, leading them back to one central location.....him. He was fucking BRILLIANT. People just didn't pay attention to the details. But Collider videos won't see this
gohanson27 Because Tony is pretty much the head of the Avengers, everyone knows that. Something happens involving the Avengers Tony is going to get the news, it's very straight forward.
+Aramis Hall I actually posted a similar comment to yours, not knowing you had already done so...I should have read further down the comment section before posting my thoughts. But yeah, normally these guys are spot on when it comes to their movie reviews but they completely whiffed on Zemo. And you're so right, Zemo was fucking BRILLIANT!
When you think of a villain in a story, you want someone who has legit motivations. In a super hero movie, you want someone who is formidable. Zemo isnt superhuman, therefore he's not formidable. He's highly intelligent and calculating. He set events in motion that drove the Avengers apart. I feel like the Accords alone wasnt enough to split the team. There still wouldve been a difference in opinion, but what wouldve happened without Zemo is, whoever was against the accords simply wouldve walked away peacefully from the team. Bucky's "involvement" in the bombing got in the way of a civil difference if opinion. Cap wanted to save Bucky from execution only. And in doing so, he aligned himself opposite the establishment (on top of his stance on freedom). Zemo made that happen and he had valid reasons for driving a wedge in the team. In this movie, Zemo was an ideal villain bc there wasnt room for "global threat" type villain. A conniving, manipulating villain is perfect bc he drives the story fwd without getting in the way of the main story.
I'm a huge fan of you guys but I completely disagree about Zemo. I have no idea how you can think he was irrelevant when at least 2 of the most major things that happened in the movie (the bomb which caused Black Panther to join the fight and the framing of Bucky which is the majority of the conflict) were directly caused by Zemo. Add to that, he wasn't the typical villain who wanted to rule the world or destroy it but only wanted to make the Avengers pay for him losing his family, and Zemo was a great villain. He had motive, he was a sympathetic villain, and he wasn't over-the-top. Zemo was great.
Pluto nian yeah it seems like most of the ppl in the comments disagreed with them about Zemo too. It's not like he was the focus of the movie but his reasoning and performance were very good. He was definitely different from Zemo in the comics but this version of him was still an interesting take on the sympathetic villain. And he did win if you think about it. His plan kinda worked. Half of the Avengers are wanted criminals now and the team is broken.
Joseph Miranda exactly. Without Zemo, there would literally be nothing except the Avengers debating over the Accords. They wouldn't really have even fought. The hunt for Bucky was what caused the big rift, not the Accords, so Zemo is responsible for practically everything cool in the movie lol.
you forget that Zemo purposely told the breakfast lady to go in the room and once the report that the real interviewer was dead it obviously got to shield which would get to tony
The directors were saying they got inspiration from the raid movies for the fight scenes. Cap and Bucky vs iron man reminded me of the final fight from the raid 1.
There's so much in this movie, that there's a tonne of little things that I'm surprised that you didn't touch on. The chemistry between Tony and Peter, the fact that we didn't rehash the origin - no weeping over Uncle Ben. The fact that Spidey now makes his own webbing unlike the previous 2 franchises. The death of Peggy Carter, and the reveal of Sharon Carter and the budding relationship between her and Cap. The fact that the lions share of the avengers are hiding out in Wakanda should be interesting come Black Panther. Rhodey's injuries, and Stan Lee's letter perfect comic relief in that scene. Seeing baby Tony. It actually took me a minute to realize what I was watching there. The reveal that Tony and Pepper are on the outs. So much gold in that movie it really makes me want to see it again in theaters, something I rarely do.
Zemo knew Tony would show up. He was not expecting them to fight each other until they saw the video of Bucky killing Tony's parents. He was counting on all the Avengers showing up and killing each other, however, only 4 showed up.
They gave us the scene of Zemo phoning in his breakfast order for exactly that reason! He wanted the players there. I took that into the scene with worry about the new peace. It was brilliantly handled.
You guys are going way too hard on the villain. I thought he was very solid and one of the better MCU villains because he was very grounded and had personal stakes in what was going on.
I thought CW had the most awesome villain any movie ever had. when you think about all the times that you hear the collider folks complain that a villain was never fully realized through motivation and character development, you would have thought this movie would have made them jump for joy for finally getting the villain they always wanted because Robert Downey Jr. played him perfectly.
+Tury Gerardo Yeah. It was unique because the villain got what he wanted... even if he didn't do jackshit. I thought it would be 5 Winter soldiers vs Cap / Bucky / Ironman, just a mindless ending fight scene of good vs evil. What we got was the villain turn on his heels and made the two sides (mind you, this was when Steve and Tony recently became besties again) against each other in a whole raging level. It wasn't just fighting another mindless villains to strengthen their "friendship", high fiving after punching another Winter Soldier, but the villain chose to corrode their strained relationship even more, putting the stakes way higher than unleashing brain dead super soldiers against the Friendship club. It was a stroke of genius that sadly many doesn't notice. The fight at the end has more weight and meaning than just another Disney ending of friendship forever and ever.
+Tury Gerardo One of the problems with Civil War (I would rate it a C or 6.5/10, meaning I think it's good enough) is that the movie is so afraid of letting a fully fledged civil war break out that it shoe-horns a standard villain guy into the story so that the stakes never actually get that high. Nobody really wanted to fight each other and they didn't really, except for BP I liked his arch very much.
"My father made that shield, you don't deserve it!" Those kind of lines are what made this film great for me. Also when iron man backhands cap. Emotional stuff
Completely disagree with y'all about the villain. I feel like Zemo is one of the best MCU villains. Not only was his acting and motivation on par, story wise he didn't even need to have Iron Man, Cap, and Bucky show up to see the footage. He just needed to get access to the footage and deliver it to Stark to do what he needed to break the Avengers. And as far as sneaking in the base goes, he's an infiltrator! He wouldn't be good at his job if couldn't pull a fast one on a government facility! And story was also clearly needed to give Black Panther an arc. Black Panther was driven by revenge, so was Zemo, for the same reason too, and when he understood Zemo's issue he practically looked at him and said, "I don't want to be like you". One of the reasons he didn't kill him right on the spot. Lastly even though this Zemo didn't have the Purple Mask, he was still had the same motivation as the comics version "the heores ruined my family, so I will now ruin them".
The villain wasn't convenient. He knew Stark was going to be there because he left the body with Bucky's wig and face fakery in the hotel room. Don't forget about that remember that as an avenger Tony has access to all media through the Friday cpu.
i only figured that out after the second time i watched it. those were the two things that didnt make sense the first time. why would he let the lady find the body and how did he know tony would be there. then it just clicked the second time. honestly i think the villian was brilliantly done. i initially thought he was good but afte figuring that part out he was awesome. his plan makes perfect sense. he essentially adds to the fuel of the initial conflict. making it more believable that they would fight. then just when you think they have gotten past their differences for the greater good he shows them that video. Cap knowing about it just pushed tony over the edge and that last fight scene is so emotional. the story is really well done
I think Zemo was necessary, didn't need to be the character Zemo. Could have been John Doe, but necessary. His plan was to destroy an "Empire". The empire was the Avengers and he knew the only way to do that was for them to destroy themselves. He then realized that Bucky could be the catalyst. I think the accord was just conveniently helped him. He got the mission report from Bucky and realized that the Russian base could have what he needed drive them apart. So he used the threat of the other Winter Solider's to do that. If anything the accords messed up he plan because under reg circumstances the entire team would have showed up to that base. Where he would have used to the video to drive them to battle.
Zemo is the new "Loki" of MCU villains. He was brilliant, manipulative, and resourceful. He was the reason the airport and end fight scenes happened. He was the reason Bucky was a fugitive. Without that Cap has no reason to physically fight over a philosophical difference. The most he would have done was go rouge & search for Bucky. There was no situation outside of Zemo in the film that would have warranted Avenger involvement, therefore there wouldn't have been a film. Cap wouldn't have told Tony about his parents and they would have reached some kind of compromise with the govegovernment.
+jason evelio I agree 100% I think they saved Zemo's character to set up the Masters Of Evil. Ok his first plan of having the Avenger's defeat themselves didn't work, no problem he'll form a team of super villains like the anti-Avengers to get the job done.
+jason evelio Imagine if somewhere on that prison where Caps team was held they were also holding Abomination and other unnamed villains that the Avengers fought between Avengers 1&2. Maybe Zemo gets put there as well. Maybe Zemo never intended to kill himself. Maybe it was his plan to get sent there and release someone who could go toe to toe with the Hulk (who is conveniently missing). Think about it. If his plan works he has only gotten rid of HALF of the Avengers. I personally think he has gotten a hold of the super soldier serum. Either leftovers from killing Stark or through the blood of one of those winter soldiers b4 killing them.
As a DC and Marvel fan I've got no idea which movie these guys watched when they talk about Zemo. Zemo was a great fucking villain. One of the best the MCU has got. He was a Bond villain in this movie. Better than the most recent Bond villains we've goten in recent Bond movies. Those villains had even more over the top, crazy convoluted plans filled with holes than Zemo's plans. Zemo was totally interesting. Leader of a death squad: explains his skills. He had a tragic backstory: explains his motivations. He set everything in motion to set the Avengers up against each other. Without him the Civil War wouldn't have happened. He baited the Avengers to Siberia and he put them against each other. And about the diguise. This is the movie universe that made Black Widow into an entire different woman that infiltrated that meeting with Pierce. And about the book. Zemo need it to get to Bucky. Using him to understand what happened during that night Howard Stark died. He attacked the UN to frame Bucky and cause more hardship for The Avengers. He wanted to rip them apart from within. He was filled with rage and feelings of revenge. So he took his time to plan this out and to make them suffer. This is an over the top superhero movie. So expect the villain to be over the top too. Zemo even was calm in a way, calculating. I thought he was great. Better motivations and development than Ronan, Yellow Jacket, Malekith etc. They had no build up at all. We've learned quite a bit about Zemo.
this movie had me so emotionally invested from the beginning to the end. Especially with the final fight scene where i really didn't know what would happen. I felt as though iron man could have definitely killed winter soldier or have captain america die. i had no idea what was gonna happen and it definitely added another level of intensity to the movie. I also loved how you knew everyone motives and why they were on that certain team. amazing movie
Well, I would agree they didn't need the villain. But I did think he was done well. He was understated. It was personal for him. He knew he was way way underpowered than the Avengers, he could never kill them. The only way to kill them is if they are torn apart. And he does. He mentally manipulates them to truly go against each other. That's a true villain for me. Understated but makes a big impact. In his words bringing down an empire. As for their complaint about it being unrealistic that he figured out Tony would go there and he had to show him the tape and everything. Think about it again. Is it really unrealistic? Cap and Bucky are obviously after the other Winter Soldiers, Zemo knows they're coming. As for Tony going there? This guy was smart enough to manipulate some of the smartest people in the MCU, you think he wouldn't figure out Tony would come there? Because of course he would. Cap and Bucky are fugitives. He's supposed to find them, that's what this whole thing with General Ross was about. To find the rogue Avengers mostly Bucky and bring them in. So, of course Tony would follow Bucky and Cap. The tape was probably just a final trigger. But, that scene like you guys wasn't hard for me to buy at all. I was all about it from the start to finish. This is what I think. As always, great review guys :-)
I've only seen this movie once to be fair but as it stands now I find it really hard to find flaws in this movie. I actually really enjoyed he villain, specially when you realise he WON. The action delivered. The plot was incredible. The humour is used well and not excessive (unlike AoU) The performances were the best they have been in any MCU movie thus far (especially RDJ). The score was fantastic. The visual effects were fantastic. The cinematography was amazing (especially in the Airport fight) The introduction of new characters was done masterfully. 10/10 for me but I need to watch it again.
I don't think anyone has caught this parallel, but there are similarities for when Cap says "I can do this all day" in the First Avenger alley fight and near the end of Civil War. In both instances, Steve is about to lose the fight, but he is showing bravery in his defeat. When hope appears to be lost, Bucky comes in and is able to save him. In the First Avenger, it is by beating up the bully after he knocks down Steve and in Civil War, he grabs Ironman's leg which allows Steve to change the tide of the fight. I just thought I'd throw this out there because it tied the whole Cap trilogy together in my head.
+FanboyBerries39 Movies It wasn't just funny, it was also heartfelt. Most blockbusters would've given Falcon and Bucky shit-eating grins, essentially going "YEA HIT THAT SHIT", but they also just seemed sincerely happy for Rogers, which I think really especially added to Bucky's character.
Only one tiny gripe: Cap and Bucky get into superjet and go to Siberia. Tony takes Rhodie to hospital, gets scanned and has a conversation with Widow (and why isn't she in jail for her double cross?), Tony talks to Falcon, THEN goes to Siberia. Both arrive within 10 minutes of each other. Other than that, fantastic movie. Can't wait to watch it again (already planning to).
The look of disgust on Stark's face when Cap ADMITS he know TWS killed starks parents....AND when Cap says "I can do this all day" definitely activated some man tears.
Gotta say, I hope the crew focuses on Zemo's storyline next time they go see the movie. I actually thought it was really well done and I was able to follow his story effortlessly. His plan made perfect sense. He knows he can't fight them, so he played them all and really did start a war between them. If he hadn't bombed the signing of the Accords, Bucky would still be hiding out wherever he was before, T'Chaka would still be alive, which means T'Challa would've just gone back to Wakanda and lived happily ever after, and even though Cap and Tony weren't seeing eye-to-eye on the Accords, there wouldn't have been a catalyst to make the fight get physical. Zemo just came in at the perfect time to fuck everything up and that last line of his was great. His plan worked.
It was hard watching Stark see his parent get killed while Bucky, Steve, and Zemo were eyeing him. It was a time bomb waiting to go off, like Han walking out to meet Kylo. You knew it was happening and you're just shaking your head, saying "no no no stop it please no STOP IT NOOOOO" as if you KNOW what's going to happen next but you HAVE to watch it unfold. It's painful but it's really good
It wasn't convenient for Tony to be there, Zemo clearly planned it out. He set up the evidence in the hotel so Tony would hear about it and realize Buck might actually be innocent.
John usually is the one who can put these small pieces in movies into place, but he forgot this thing. Zemo called Roomservice to his hotellroom when he was in Russia in order for his "Bucky"-mask and the body of real psychologist to be discovered, so that he knew Tony would figure out that Bucky was framed and that he would follow them there. So it actually made perfect sense.
I had a problem with Vision being so on the sidelines during that fight but I failed to realize that they set up his motivation. He says that great power without oversight breeds catastrophe. That's why he didn't want to fight. He didn't want to add to the catastrophe. He was trying to contain and protect everyone.
I really liked Zemo as a villain :) ... I've watched it 3 times now and every time his plan makes more sense. He didn't know everything from the beginning, his plan is constantly evolving. First the plan is to obtain the soviet red book, then to have some minutes with Bucky, then to bring everyone to Siberia by calling the hotel and make them discovered the body of the real psychologist (Who is Anthony Russo btw haha), maybe a little convenient but I buy it, I prefer to see it as if he is a great manipulator.
Yeah totally agree I really like it how he was just a normal guy who had a normal life no super powers or super fighting skills Just a man pushed to the point he will do anything to get some sort of revenge Also like how he acknowledges that he will simply get nothing done if he tried to kill them head on but simply makes them fight one another just by bringing up secrets from the past and slightly manipulating events
Bruce Reich I feel we are talking about almost the same thing. My point is that he obviously didn't know every single thing in a convenient way since the beginning, he obviously didn't know about Siberia until he talked with Bucky, arguably maybe he didn't even known about the footage either, until obtaining the book. He is obsessed to find out the details of the mission in 1991 probably because he knows that Bucky killed Starks parents there but he needs more information to finish his plans, otherwise he wouldn't ask about the mission report, he would just ask about the location of the base in Siberia. He had a plan all along, but the way he wanted to execute it was adapted with the information he was obtaining along the way. That, for me, is what an excellent and more real strategist does.
+Martin Elizalde Lecuona im glad someone caught on this too. you are spot on about his plans evolving constantly, because there was a scene after Zemo activated Winter Soldier with the "words", he was at the airport listening to the recorded message from his wife, then he saw the news reporting that Winter Soldier went missing with Steve Rogers. His reaction was different, he knew his plans was "diverted" but he had enough to still go on with his plans because he knew Winter Soldier would end up leading them to Siberia, which explains why Winter Soldier was trying to pilot the Helicopter on the roof. I dont think a lot of people caught on that and thats why its worth re-watching Civil War more than once XD
The biggest thing that needs to be kept in mind about Tony throughout Civil War and Iron Man 1 is his short-sightedness. From his military-funding consequences to his Avenger consequences. His reactions are rash and poorly thought out, which Stain calls him out on it in the first film, and rightly so. Ending military contracts could have ruined Stark Industries financially. And how would you fund the Avengers past that? A later rash example is having the Avengers regulated, and his position is based on one of person and emotion. Wrong? No. Flawed? Yes. Just like ending military supplying, a personal down-to-earth example is shoved in his face. A teenager and countless others died because of his actions, just like families died because of his weapons. But what I love is that Steve attempts to absolve himself and Tony of the blame. The world has been made safe. There's no denying that. Steve is correct. And it's awesome Steve reminds Tony of that. Tony again is facing resistance to these rash and emotionally-based positions. And let's be honest. They are emotionally-based, where as Steve is looking at it from a position of the cold calculus (interesting how that is hinted at in "Endgame"...) If it wasn't for that mother confronting Tony in the hallway, it could be argued he never would have questioned the consequences of the Avengers. And it changes his entire opinion on regulation, something he vehemently disagreed with in Iron Man 2. Not only do we get an internal degradation of his character and who he is and how he relates to others, but we also see an external one; his makeup gets demonstrably worse. The dude has not slept probably in days, and it's a wonderful insight into what he's dealing with and how. Everything is falling apart in his world. Pepper, the Avengers, his calling in life, his friendship with Steve... Even BETTER is that this decaying of character is carried into "Spider-Man Homecoming," in more ways than one... And that's what makes Tony so relatable and fascinating. One action could change the course of our philosophies, morals and actions...and in a worst-case scenario, one single action can break our lives and friendships...
+Ted Chiasson At least that moment was not contrived like how in Civil War Zemo spent the whole film looking for that video just so that Tony would be angry at who? Bucky? He spent the whole film looking for the tape so was it all so that Tony would be angry at Steve for a bit until he was sent a letter. Not to mention they had patched things up and Tony began fighting him again because, "he doesn't care he killed his mother" who didn't even seem that close to him and has never been focused on in previous films. I liked Civil War but do not be a hypocrite.
+Bat Bapeck LOL okaaaay if you still think BvS was a better movie than CW you're clearly spending too much time in your batcave. The philosophical differences between Steve & Tony have been started in past movies. So when he makes up its more of a temporary "my bad" moment but he still doesn't believe in his cause. Especially since he's known about the truth of his parents the whole time and still defended him. Tony felt betrayed by Steve who he thought was his close friend. So that reveal just broke what was an already broken relationship.... But hey to each his own... go ahead and enjoy Wonder Woman reading her emails, cause that's great movie making.
Very few complaints about this movie, loved it. Just didn't like seeing Crossbones as another throw away villain like Iron Monger, Yellowjacket, etc. Glad that Zemo lived at least.
Rogelio Rocha I agree, sad to see him go so quick but it was a good death that gave us a scene close to the comics. Black Widow sorta filled the Spider-Man role of switching sides near the end.
Zemo w good villain. He was not the main antagonist, but that I why makes him good. He has a huge personal stake in this fight and he did what no other Marvel villain did. He broke the Avengers.
Lol Loki broke the Avengers, and so did Ultron. Unless you have a different definition of "Broke" I'm not arguing with you though. I loved the movie, and thought Zemo was handled well
+Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens: I am sure he will become more like the comic version later on. there is s reason he is still alive. Masters of Evil😉
Good review. No love to Agent 13 lol. Thought Zemo was not a throw away because he was successful one way or another. Best line in the movie was Black Panther: "As a warrior and a King, how will you stop me from getting to your friend?" So awesome, need to see it 3 more times.
Baron Zemo did lure Iron Man to Cap and Bucky's location by calling the hotel's room service and therefore revealing the murder/plot. That's how he knew that Iron Man would show up at the end.
Friday picked it up on her routine checks, when Tony was on the Helicopter. The death of the Doctor questioning The Winter Soldier set off the flag. I'll double check tomorrow when I see it again.
Another reason the Black Panther didn't kill Zemo at the end was that the entire time after his father was killed, T'Challa had been trying to kill an innocent man (a man who was framed for that crime and who's other crimes had been committed while brainwashed.) I think the shock of that realization is what made him feel there had been enough death. And I'm going to go there: I'm not a Marvel fanboy. One of my favorite comic book movies is The Dark Knight. That said, Civil War is MUCH better than Batman v Superman. I had a smile on my face for most of the movie (not for the humor, but because the movie was so damn good! When is wasn't just smiling in enjoyment, I was enjoying following the reasons behind everyone's actions. All too often in BvS, I know I had a quizzical look on my face, wondering why a character did something. (or even worse, wondering why the director chose to go a certain way. It's a bad sign when you're regularly being taken out of the movie.) BTW, even if Zemo wasn't really needed for this story (I disagree), he was a better character than Jessie Eisenberg's Lex Luthor...and his motivations were MUCH better portrayed.
Kristian, you want to know why it was so easy for Zemo to know Iron Man would be there? because he set everything up so Iron Man would realize his mistake and ultimately try to help Cap and Buck. He left obvious evidence Buck was framed and he knew ultimately they were a team to begin with.
The one thing I have to disagree with you guys on is Zemo. Without him, we wouldn't have a third act. he was the driving reason for the airport scene even. Team Cap found out where they needed to go and they were on a mission to get there. Team Iron Man showed up at the airport to stop them & bring them in. Cap felt solid that he and his team had to go stop/confront Zemo. Then, when they get to Zemo, Iron Man arrives acknowledging the error of his ways. They were starting to naturally put aside their differences... until Zemo brought to the table the wildcard... the truth. He gave Tony the reason for his parent 's death...& who it was that killed them: the man he was trying to forgive- but all that went out the window. Was Zemo as important to this story as Loki in Avengers 1? Nope, but I think he had a notable roll to play and had about the right balance he needed. Not too much... although we could have taken more, but as is, all the relevant points were made with him. Anyone disagree w my analysis...?
I totally agree. some other stuff I think people are missing is maybe Zemo didn't count on Cap and Tony showing up but he was 100% there to get that videotape. or he WAS counting on that but leaked the info about the faked Bucky stuff by calling his maid because he knew Tony is super smart and would figure it out and show. All he knew was that he had to get IronMan to see that tape and then his plan was finished.
Zemo knew Tony Stark would show up in the end because he set up everything in a way that Dr. "Fake Bucky"'s body would be found in his hotel room (he even calls room service to make sure of that) right before he arrived at the base. So, he knew Tony would find out that Bucky wasn't to blame for the bombing and that he has been played, which would mean he and Cap would probably join forces to go after Zemo himself, culminating in them fighting each other because of the tape reveal.
Some people just want to complain about Marvel villains, but Zemo was probably one of their best. People might have expected him to be the big bad threat looming in the background, but instead he was just a motivated and resourceful man with a vendetta. When Spider-man is describing a dangerous man who believes, it applies to everyone in this movie: Zemo, Panther, Tony, and Steve. In the end Zemo also basically won. Zemo's plan was centered around getting all the details surrounding the death of Howard Stark, that was his line of questioning. I believe the ending was not Zemo's exact plan but just worked out better for him. He specifically wanted to lure Tony to the base so that he could discover all the evidence of Bucky's involvement in Howard's death. Driving Tony to seek revenge on Bucky was the overall plan because no matter who hurt who, the Avengers would end up split.
i actually thought Zemo was ok, partially since he wasnt central to the conflict, and now it seems like they might be able to do more with him in the future, since he isnt dead
RIP Jon Schnepp I really miss hearing this thoughts on comic book movies. Imagine hearing him talk about the Spider Verse movies. I still sometimes think to myself after I’ve walked out a movie theater seeing comic book movie thinking “I wonder what Schnepp would’ve thought about this one”
I don't know If I would even call Zemo a villain. Schnepp had it right, Zemo was the culmination of all their "recklessness" and collateral damage come home to roost. Civil War was terrific. I'll need to see it again, but at this moment I'll give it a 4.45/5.
Zemo's plan did make sense. Zemo ordered breakfast while not at the hotel so that the server would find the psychologist's dead body and the prosthetic face used to mimic Bucky's, knowing that Tony would be alerted to his scheming as a result and try and find Cap, who he then believed knew the truth about what was going on. Even if Tony didn't show up at the Hydra base, it can be assumed Zemo would've then sent the video of Bucky killing Tony's parents to a place where Tony would see it anyway. Zemo did get lucky sometimes with regards to his plan but this was the best one he could come up with, it's not like he was carrying it out for fun and so, could realise this easily couldn't work and give up, he was determined to avenge his family and was willing to try anything to get revenge. I thought Zemo was a great villain due to how refreshing he was, he's just a normal guy with a very human, sympathetic motive, and he succeeded at hurting the Avengers more than any other villain by using intelligence, not brute force. BTW Schnepp, the Avengers had to kill every single Ultron robot to kill him.
His motivation made sense to me. He was the only villain to take on the avengers and win without throwing a single punch. He successfully broke up the avengers.
Dude your explanation was so perfect. There's a lot of people who I think missed the point of Zemo. He's my favorite villain behind Loki in the MCU. I loved the line at the end. Martin Freeman: Your whole scene, it failed! Zemo: Did it? Then the cut to all the Avengers broken apart. Vision alone in the Avengers tower. Rhodes can't walk anymore. Black Widow is on the run. Cap rescues the imprisoned Avengers and are fugitives now. Bucky has to be frozen. The Avengers are broken at the end and only something like Thanos is going to be able to bring them together.
I really liked Zemo and thought he was one of the better MCU villains... He had a purpose and a goal, and was able to outsmart everyone. I also love the fact how Zemo killed the other winter soldiers instead of using them to fight Cap/Tony/Bucky. He was also the first villain to actually win. I think? Unless there was a previous villain who won. And also did it without having to actually fight any of them.
Zemo is everything I wish Lex Luthor would've been in Batman v Superman. I haven't really cared for Marvel's villains up to this point (except Loki), but Zemo was very well done.
+Beastinrocks I too liked the fact that he killed the other Winter Soldiers. I'd like to think his motivations for doing it were because he didnt want anymore "monsters" running loose killing innocent people. Also Balck Panther and him sharing something in common was very awesome, it showed the contrast between reckless revenge and moral choices. Zemo is gonna be very underrated, which sucks I thought he was great. The best part is that for once, the villain stayed alive so we will see more of him. If only Lex Luthor would be half of what Zemo was, BvsS would have been that much better
I totally agree! He brought a nice contrast to the movie imo, and I do not think the movie could have been as good without him ( I've heard a lot of people say they should have left him out.) I really did enjoy zemo,and thought it was nice to have a really intelligent villain. (unlike lex in Bvs) Oh yes, and I could really see where he was coming from motivation wise! The Russo's really have outdone themselves with the storytelling!
Gotta disagree Zemo was the best marvel villain they've had. His plot made sense, he didn't needed huge screen time and not only that but he fucking won. He divided the avengers. You guys really need to watch the movie again, zemo was totally needed.
I liked how Zemo played out in the movie, especially because his motivation paralleled the mother in front of the elevator. Although they she chose to confront Stark, Zemo chose to destroy the Avengers. I'd still put Loki as the best Marvel Villain, but Zemo is still around, and may evolve into more of a major villain character, closer to the comic counterpart. Which in the film he shared his name, and that's about it. He's in prison, so there may be experiments. Especially with Gen. Ross seeming in command. He may begin to assemble his own task force like in the comics.
+Dakota Hazel calm down and go watch your beloved shit pile BvS.
+Ferni the sokovia accords alone is simply not enough to keep cap and iron man at odds. Zemo was needed.
+Ferni , I agree. And I also agree with Schnepp, that he was more of a metaphorical stand-in for all the collateral damage the avengers had brought into the world.
+Dakota Hazel i have seen you in other civil war reviews before, fuck off plx
I disagree on zemo not being needed. He was a walking personification of the avenger's failures. He's their mistakes given form, and coming back to haunt them. His plan makes sense. All of the "conveniences" are him taking time to know how the characters react to minor stimulus. I'd concede it to be "convenient" if the effects/results weren't consistent with the targeted characters.
+Moist Von Lipwig yea I actually think zemo was a good addition.
Agreed
I think he's the strongest villain marvel have had... because his effects are so subtle and he succeeds in his desire to tear them apart.
There's no complexity that Loki offers, he's simply a broken man who wants vengeance, but that is still compelling.
+Moist Von Lipwig I agree. A friend of mine also mentioned about the convenience of a CCTV camera in 1991 when Winter Soldier killed Ton'y's parents but then it can be explained away that HYDRA can easily set that up for documentation purposes that its operatives have accomplished their respective missions.
+Hector Santiano ikr? this movie needs to be watched multiple times, it has so many stuff going on that you will definitely miss the first time you watch it.
I'm sorry but Black Panther saying "The living are not done with you" to Zemo WAS AWESOME
this movie was the best shit ive ever seen from a superhero movie.
Yes
Excellent. Possibly my favourite.
+Corey Rivera yup
+Dakota Hazel Really? What makes it trash, in your opinion?
***** Cap 😌
31:50 It actually wasn't convenient when you think about it. Zemo let the hotel landlady see the corpse in the bathroom because he knew that news would get to the avengers, and Stark, soon enough. So it made sense to me that Iron Man showed up in the bunker. Much of the plot might seem hackneyed unless you have multiple viewings and pay close attention :)
Exactly. I hope collided addresses they were wrong later
+thtr1310 Yeah, I just don't get how they don't get that. It wasn't convenient, it was planned. Zemo knew he had Cap and Bucky after him from the interrogation he did with Bucky. He only did that to set the stage and trick the heroes. Once he had them on their way then he leaked information to get Stark to clue in on what was going on and so he'd get there. Sure, he didn't know when Tony would get there, but he was in a bunker....he could wait for Cap to call in Iron Man.
After all Tony said that he could get through that wall with time, but Cap couldn't. Thus, Cap would have to ask for Tony's help to get to the villain. He'd have to go there even if he didn't figure out where Zemo was.
+FlareKnight Yup
+FlareKnight you have to explain how the hell the infiltrated in the most secure facilities on earth though.. other than that i agree 100
+Hugo GONÇALVES he is a trained spy
Zemo is my favorite MCU villain next to Kingpin. I love that they're normal guys. And Zemo attempting suicide because he was successful in not taking over the world, but driving the heroes apart... Great motivation for a simple effective outcome.
+Jordon Foss I got the impression that the suicide was part of his promise... to join his family, after he destroy what cause their death.
+BioCapsule I felt the same way. But he wasn't going to join them until he felt revenge had been served. I really hope they decide to bring him back for more movies.
Jordon Foss I disagree that he needed to felt revenge was serve... as he said, he is a normal human... and no plan survive encountered with the enemy. People say his plan is a bit too convenient but most of his goal can still be achieve even if it didn't unfold the way it did. If he didn't succeed... than he tried his best and will likely still commit suicide. He don't plan to live past this event no matter what.
+Jordon Foss Zemo was absolute garbage
+David Avery Then let's discuss him. Zemo was well motivated since his family was killed by the avengers. He was a cerebral villain. Breaking Hydra's code. Hiring Crossbones as a suicide bomb. Instigating the socovia accords. Killing T'Chaka turning Black Panther and the World's wrath on Winter Soldier. Using Bucky as a catalyst to divide the avengers since he knew he wasn't strong enough to kill them. Yet he was still polite and sincere to everyone he spoke to. Not thwarting or power crazed like other MCU villains. And he survived this film which so far only Loki has been able to do. That means his story could be far from over. And in a movie that didn't "need" him, the entire franchise can now UTILIZE him. I think Zemo is far from garbage.
That Bucky Bike Flip Tho
+Jonny Herman AWESOME!
So whatever happened to that guy? Lol
Did he ever get his bike back
Hopefully he had insurance
+Jonny Herman Yeah for me that was the stopping a blaster bolt in mid air moment of this movie
Yeah I Learned to do that on the 70's.. Be sure to have a metal arm or you'll hurt yourself
Without Zemo, Black Panther would have no place in the movie. There would be no UN explosion, Black Panther wouldn't have hunted Winter Soldier, wouldn't have learnt that he was going after the wrong guy and wouldn't have learnt how to overcome being consumed by revenge.
I have to totally disagree with them on Zemo. He's my favorite villain after Loki. All his motivations worked and his plan wasn't convenient his plan was evolving. There were many times where his plan didn't go exactly where he wanted but he adapted to as need be. If Tony somehow didn't make it to the Hydra base then Zemo would have adapted his plan and leaked it online or send it to Tony. That's the whole point. Zemo was just demonstrating how flawed these heroes are in that they're just humans who can be broken just as much as anyone else. And he didn't even throw one punch. I thought Zemo was genius and not some typical villain but he had a depth and brilliance to him that really made this movie as amazing as it was.
+TheSuperiorGeek +1 agree, they also made it a point that he's not dead, and when martin freeman says his plan failed and he asks "did it?" I feel like they're going to use him again in infinity war. he's a pretty big bad guy in the comics and fucks with the avengers a lot
+Brando Calrissian Exactly!
+Radioactive712 That's what I was thinking that they probably forgot some of the crucial parts that made up Zemo's plan. I noticed after watching this movie a second time that if you don't pay attention to what is going on then you will miss some important pieces of the story and then just equate that to the movie convenient. Hopefully after they see it a few more times they'll notice what people are saying.
Better than Abomination?🤔
@@Murphaderf In 2016 that movie didn’t even come out yet lol also why you commenting on videos from 2016 😂😭
Zemo is the only villain to have defeated the Avengers up to this point
"I knew I couldn't kill them. Men more powerful than me have tried and failed...."
"A country that crumbles from the inside..."
If he had personally sent a msg to Stark saying here I am, come get me, is the one thing that was missing. But he put too much faith in Stark figuring it out himself and showing up at a specific moment.
+Burghtown Music Group iron man found out because zemo let the lady see the dead body which led to iron man finding out
Burghtown Music Group yup. hes like the luthor of marvel. but with more issues.
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and then thanos comes around
What about that iconic side shot of Iron Man and Cap: Cap with Vibranium Shield vs. Iron Man with Repulser Beam. The theatre erupted during that shot.
Say what you will about Zemo. I still liked him more than Lex.
+Santee Cruzer Agreed...
that's not really saying much XD however I do agree
yo I totally agree dude. way better than Eisenberg's mad hatter lex Luther
So far he's the best villain in a comic book movie this year
Joker in suicide squad will hopefully blow everything out of the water
+BrownTownReviews ahahahah nope, he didnt blow shit xD
I know you said it's weird how Zemo knew Iron Man would join Cap in Siberia so that he could play the tape but you have to remember that Zemo called the hotel to bring him his lunch so that when the lady came to bring his bacon and coffee to the room, she'd find the body and his fake mask and that would let Iron Man know that Cap was telling the truth.
THIS!!
+Angus Yuen Exactly!
+Angus Yuen i wish i could give you 100 thumbs ups. the guys in the video should read your comment. zemo orchestrated it very well. BUT i would have liked zemo to have more impact. i would have put zemo in the first fight instead of crossbones and have him escape from the avengers. crossbones was totally unnecessary. it should have been zemo making them look like idiots and escape and trigger bombs which wanda would try to contain but fail instead of suicide bombing stupidity by crossbones.
Also. Zemo was established as a man with contingency plans. There was a whole sequence of when he was interrogating the Hydra agent. Zemo said that he would just get what he wanted in some other way. They put that sequence in deliberately so that we would understand that none of Zemo's plans were dependant on any specific outcomes. If Tony had not shown up with Cap and Bucky then Zemo would have done something else.
+Imran Suhail Yeah but then they would have recognized him later on.
Zemo was the best villian that Marvel has had so far. He was the perfect bad guy for T'challa. Without Zemo Black Panther doesn't work. They did not fail the villian. Y'all are wrong on this one.
He was good but not the best. The best is still Loki.
I thought Zemo was a good villain, he worked for me.
+nosuchthing8 opinion
I agree he wasn't great but I thought he was better then a lot of the other villains we have had from Marvel.
+Thomas Edwards He was definitely better than Lex Luthor
+nosuchthing8 at least he broke the avengers in this film out of all the villains he broke the avengers war machine that nigga not forgiving anyone for at least a year
+Thomas Edwards Yeah, he was a good villain. He definitely worked nicely.
Am I the only one who thinks Zemo is the second best MCU villain after Loki?
Nope, I liked him. I bought into his story and motivation. I believed Brulh as the character was dangerous and twisted. I enjoyed the reveal of his motivation and plotting. I think without him then the set up and frame of Bucky doesn't make sense and then you lose the awesome motivation for Black Panther. Not that these thing couldn't have been accomplished without Zemo but I liked using him for moving the plot forward. Yes, the ending was convienient but it didn't bother me. I loved the ending scene with Zemo and Panther. I think saying he wasn't needed in the movie overlooks how intrigal his actions were to bringing about the chase for Bucky and panthers motivation for joining the fight. Yes the avengers would have still been on opposite side but the reason for the action was bringing Bucky in and without Zemo' s framing him that wouldn't have been necessary.
I loved his motivation and the guy who played him. However, the way he executed his plan though presented in the film as effective, was a bit idiotic
well now we have the mad titan
You are not alone, for me as a villain look at what he’s accomplished something no other villain has managed to do and it’s effects still linger on through infinity war
Ruben Quiros thanos is
I liked the movie alot.. but you (collider crew) can't just say if zemo wasnt there, or didnt have to be there, the movie would of been fine... if he wasnt there, or his ploy wasnt put into motion, NO ONE WILL BE CHASING BUCKY.. end of movie. the conflict to sign the agreement between tony/stark would be the biggest problem.. ya there could of ended into a fight.. but the movie really revolved around zemo going to russia, bucky and cap trying to stop him, the stark avengers trying to capture them. .. imagine if no one was trying get the winter soldier.. it would of been a totally different movie.
Zemo did what ultron couldn't do . Or any other villain could do . Tear them apart from the inside . Pretty much everybody in the comments from all review videos I have seen love the villain .
+Pedro Vasquez This.
+Pedro Vasquez LOL So NO ONE in the comments is going to bring up how the cameraman awkardly kept the camera on Kristian while Dennis was talking? That was hilarious and then when he switches to the entire crew you can see Mark Ellis smiling and looking at the situation...
+Pedro Vasquez Yeah, I think the villain was great. And really he's better on additional viewings, because you see and understand his actions better. Constantly listening to that message from his dead wife. All the people he tortured and killed for his revenge....this guy was a good villain. And he did more damage to the Avengers than anyone has to this point.
+FlareKnight good motivation but poor execution, iron man turning up was purely by chance
+Samuel Choong Not by chance. He deliberately called room service so the murder of the real doctor, and the evidence that Bucky was framed would be uncovered. Only when Tony put the pieces together could he find where they went, and go join them by himself. Would get the report, put the pieces together, and go off to join them.
that scene where cap and sharon kiss and then cuts to falcon and bucky... too funny!!!
Zemo is underrated. He's JUST A MAN, who took down Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
What cant he do? Who cant he manipulate? Like he said: "an individual with skill and experience can do anything." How can you trump the experience and skill of taking down the Avengers?
Zemo served the story. He did what no other Avengers villain could do: he broke them. He was cerebral and calculating. He wasn't grandstanding and over the top like most villians. This was a very human story and it needed a villian with human motivations.
He wanted to split apart the Avengers to prevent them from hurting anyone else and was going to die knowing he completed his goal and this would enable him to 'be with his family'. Its one of the more interesting aspects of the character, where the villain recognises his actions are evil but views them as for the greater good.
Its even hinted earlier in the film that a regular person who lost their son in Sokovia might follow a similar path of revenge when she shows Tony a picture of her son. I think that early MIT scene was a subtle hint of Sokovia having MULTIPLE ramifications for the team. It was another facet of the personal and emotional consequences.
The Avengers created their own villian here. The team just happened to create a victim who was an individual blessed with immense skill, perseverance, intelligence and unfortunate anguish. There's so many victims of the Avengers recklessness and Zemo just happens to be the quintessential "vengeful" victim. When anyone is victimized, they tend to eventually have some feelings of vengeance and anger. Zemo is all of that personified.
Well said about Zemo. The story was amazing and flowed perfectly. I'm going to watch it a second time.
Javier Tenorio me too man. Can't wait to experience it all again.
I love your comments about Zemo. He's a lot more complex than people give him credit for. I don't understand why just because it isn't "spelled out" for people then they think he's not a good villian.
NeonRazor4 there's a subtly to him. He understated and sly. You have to really look at him in a broader manner. Everything isn't speed out with him, as you said.
no, disagree
zemo was excellent
+Andrew Sutton I second that
+Panther King I third that
do u know when they talk about the death of starks parents
Andrew Sutton How did tony stark know captain America was at the airport
I think once the panel watch the film again, they'll appreciate Zemo a lot more! Even his 'convenient' moments are actually explained in the film. He gets the hotel clerk to go into his room knowing she will see the dead body in the bath tub and tell the police. It is then not unbelievable that the information would get back to Tony Stark.
Zemo was a fantastic 3rd party character. Love that he wasn't a full-on antagonist, we didn't need one in this movie, we just needed Cap vs Tony and that's what we got, with some help from Zemo. Everything about this movie was handled PERECTLY.
I agree. Maybe Zemo was being to subtle in his manipulation, and that's why they feel he was unnecessary. Not that I'm saying movies should "hand hold" the audience through the plot, but just add a little more apparent connections.
+sinister kiid I totally disagree with Campeas rant about Zemo. And the biggest argument is simple, if you remove him then putting all the events in motions would need som OTHER reason to move along. How is that not MORE convinient and convoluted?
I initially thought that Black Panther was going to have a terrible first outing, just because he's thrown into Civil War. But that was one of the best establishments of a Marvel character. And he has the most badass moments in the movie.
The last scene wasn't convenient. Zemo wasn't just banking on Iron Man showing up. Remember he called the hotel so they would find the body of the real psychiatrist. He knew once that was released to the public that Tony would side with Cap and come to help him, who was headed for the base. that's how he knew all of them would end up there. imo Zemo was a subdued but great villain and did the character from the comic books justice with how he outsmarted the Avengers at every turn.
+Ben Clark the more I think about it, the more I realize that Zemo was a great villain with a very good story, actually. Marvel is known to make heroes out of "ordinary" guys - now they made villain out of one. The second to last scene with him where he tried to shoot himself completely sold me on his character. The revenge was the only thing fueling him and keeping him alive - he's a very tragic villain.
Dude, I freaking LOVED Zemo. He had a motive, he was seriously driven, and it took him a YEAR of prepping and studying to pull off what he did. I completely disagree when people say you take him out, everything would've still happened in the movie. Zemo blowing up the UN opened Pandora's box. Without Zemo's working, the only conflict is Cap and Stark arguing about the accords. Zemo framing Bucky made him a target, which made Cap seek and find him, which led to Bucky revealing the super secret Winter Soldier army, which leads Cap and Stark to that place in Siberia, which leads to Stark finding out about his parents. All this, because of Zemo. No one would've figured anything out unless they themselves took time to probe declassified files in their free time. Zemo brought Bucky out of hiding which set everything into motion.
John Campea thinks they could've used another plot device? What? What could they have done that would get Bucky out of hiding by putting all eyes in the WORLD on him?? An explosion caused by an accident? That's stupid and really forced. Framing Bucky is the perfect setup that would make sense and relatable (a victim of the Avenger's good intentions getting revenge on the Avengers), and that ONLY comes from someone MAKING it happen.
When Everett Ross was mocking him and telling him his plan failed and Zemo said, "Did it?" implying he actually won this. He didn't kill any Avengers, he split them apart. Now half of them are fugitives. No villain came close to doing that. His motivations were clear. He lost everyone, his dad, wife and son. He snapped, big time. He planned on not making it out alive (suicide), so he went all out. He planned this thoroughly. He's more cunning and driven than ANY MCU villain other than Loki.
+AJ Christopher Thank you. You explained everything i felt and saw about Zemo.
+AJ Christopher Completely agree... Not only are half of the Avengers fugitives or in prison, but the ones that are left are (aside from Spiderman) a paraplegic, a confused android, a disenchanted Wakandan King, and a leader with ptsd... there are pretty much no Avengers left
Elliot Fernandez Yeah, and if something goes down, who is the government going to send now? The only ones capable are Stark and Vision. Rhodey is fucked up, Widow is likely on the run too, because I'm pretty sure her helping Cap and Bucky escape will come out. T'Challa is back at home, Parker has homework to do (lol), Rogers and his side are all hiding now. Who is left? I mean, if you think about it, Stark and Vision is a pretty powerful combo in and of itself. But they themselves are fractured.
Zemo was largely responsible for all of this. Yeah, the accords set the stage for differing of opinions, but Zemo's actions took the conflict to greater heights.
When Tony says "that's my shield.... My father made it. It belongs to me"... That's when I broke 😭
Ya man. That was a total, "Oh s💥¶¥!" moment.
"you don't deserve that shield" 💔
I broke when Cap said " he is my friend" .. and Tony, with sadness in his voice " So was I".. oh, man.. that hurts.
Zemo may not have been the most entertaining villain but I personally believe that he is the most impactful villain in the MCU so far. The actor that played Zemo did a great job.
Top 3 MCU films:
1.Capt. America:Civil War
2.The Avengers
3.Capt. America: Winter Soldier
Exactly
1.Civil War
2.Guardians Of The Galaxy
3.Winter Soilder
4.Avngers
5.Ant Man
6.Iron Man 1
I agree Brian!
+Rahul Chaudhary AoU still has good ratings, don't talk like no one liked it, i loved it just as much as the first Avengers :)
+Rahul Chaudhary It has an audience score Of 84% on rottentomatoes, that is not bad att all, sure its not in The 90's but it is still really good
Like a lot of other people in the comment section, I disagree with you guys about Zemo. He's the first MCU villain to accomplish what no other villain has: He tore the Avengers apart. I do agree that I didn't need him to be in the movie because I just wanted to see the heroes fight because of their philosophical differences, but he was effective and accomplished a lot as a villain. Other than that this movie was amazing. Here are my pros and cons.
-Pros
1. The action scenes (not just the airport scene, because there were sooooo many other ones) are the best I've seen in a superhero movie.
2. The film got me emotionally invested in the characters and the issue.
3. There was tension in the movie and some parts made me feel nervous. There were real stakes.
4. Every single character was done justice and they all got enough screen time and development while it's very clear that this is still Cap's movie.
5. Spiderman and Black Panther were incredible in the movie and got perfect introductions. Especially Spiderman. This is the live action Spiderman that we deserve. I can't wait for both of their solo films.
6. As I stated before, the villain wasn't a horribly done, throwaway villain like a lot of the other MCU movies.
7. The movie had a lot of humor but it wasn't too much and didn't oversaturate the film like what happened with Age of Ultron. Plus the jokes worked and weren't shoved in during serious moments. I was overall thoroughly entertained.
8. They handled the same type of issue that BvS dealt with a lot better than BvS handled it. I don't normally like comparing Marvel and DC but it's hard not to, in this case, when these two movies use a similar issue with philosophical differences and conflict between superheros. Daredevil season 2 also did it better than BvS.
-Cons
1. Marvel had an opportunity to kill a key character and get the audience even more emotional but that didnt happen. In a way it seemed like they marketed this movie like someone was gonna eat it and I got fooled by it.
2. As I stated before, they didn't need to have Zemo in the movie. But to counter this, he was effective as a villain overall.
I saw this movie twice already and I plan on seeing it again. This might honestly be my favorite Marvel movie ever and is definitely now one of my favorite comic book movies ever overall. I have it either 2nd or 3rd behind the Dark Knight. This movie was just so entertaining overall and had a compelling plot. It's everything you want in an ensemble superhero film. The Russo Bros outdid themselves with this. I give it a solid 9/10.
+Akil Brazier Here's my question;
During the movie, Zemo wants to tear the Avengers apart, because he can't kill them. "Better men than me have tried"
And then he KILLS THE OTHER WINTER SOLDIERS. THEY WERE THE BETTER (wo)MEN. You could at least have them TRY To kill the Avengers.
Maybe you show Tony the video, THEN you hit them with the Winter Soldier Squad while Iron Man has to deal with the emotional baggage of dead parents.
That didn't make much sense to me.
Sethabee Yea I can understand that. But he did say that he didn't want more of them. It would've been cool to see a Cap, WS, and IM vs Winter Soldier Squad fight but it would've just been another hero vs villain boss fight. I'm glad that these guys ended up fighting each other rather than the other winter soldiers because it was different than any other comic book movie. But all I can think of is that he might not be able to control them once he lets them out. Idk
+Akil Brazier I'd say Zemo's need to be in the movie would be Black Panther. They can't just have an Avengers "accident" be the death of T'Chaka. If they did that, Black Panther would never join the Avengers, even if it was an accident. And when it had to be a villain who killed his father, i'm glad it was him, rather than Crossbones, or Klaw or something.
Shijir D When I say I didn't really need him in the movie I meant that I wish it was only the heroes fighting each other throughout the movie and we see some people die because of this war, like in the comics. But like I said, they did make up for it and made use for him and he did have an impact.
Akil Brazier I guess so. In a movie with so many characters, they didn't really need one more.
But i'm glad he was there, because he was awesome!
After watching CACW, Black Panther is my most favorite thing in the MCU right now..
Oh & #TeamCap
He is a bad ass.
but dude looks like a lady fighting lol
+Mr8ofspades Lmao, he kinda did.
+Mr8ofspades
Like a cat.
#TobiasFunke
Always lands on all fours.
Baron Zemo is awesome! He is just a regular guy who knows he cannot take the avengers, so he finds the one way to destroy them. This is a great contrast to the other villains. He is also very sympathetic.
+jason evelio I totaly agree... I believe one aspect of this all was setting up Zemo as a villain on par with Loki longterm.
Why did they all forget that Zemo killed the doctor that was supposed to question Bucky and took his identity. That's actually how he got into the building, it wasn't coincidence. Zemo then called the room service to bring breakfast so that she would find the body in the tub, thus alerting the authorities and knowing this info would get to Stark.
Which is what put Tony Stark on the right track of finding out it was an operative named Zemo who triggered everything and activated Bucky back at the building. Which would put Tony on the same chase as Captain and Bucky, leading them back to one central location.....him.
He was fucking BRILLIANT.
People just didn't pay attention to the details.
But Collider videos won't see this
absolutely correct in your analysis of the movie
gohanson27 Because Tony is pretty much the head of the Avengers, everyone knows that. Something happens involving the Avengers Tony is going to get the news, it's very straight forward.
+Aramis Hall I actually posted a similar comment to yours, not knowing you had already done so...I should have read further down the comment section before posting my thoughts. But yeah, normally these guys are spot on when it comes to their movie reviews but they completely whiffed on Zemo. And you're so right, Zemo was fucking BRILLIANT!
Michael Yi I actually realized a good amount of people made the same statement we did in the comments also.
gohanson27 You obviously didn't read my comment.
When you think of a villain in a story, you want someone who has legit motivations. In a super hero movie, you want someone who is formidable. Zemo isnt superhuman, therefore he's not formidable. He's highly intelligent and calculating. He set events in motion that drove the Avengers apart. I feel like the Accords alone wasnt enough to split the team. There still wouldve been a difference in opinion, but what wouldve happened without Zemo is, whoever was against the accords simply wouldve walked away peacefully from the team. Bucky's "involvement" in the bombing got in the way of a civil difference if opinion. Cap wanted to save Bucky from execution only. And in doing so, he aligned himself opposite the establishment (on top of his stance on freedom). Zemo made that happen and he had valid reasons for driving a wedge in the team. In this movie, Zemo was an ideal villain bc there wasnt room for "global threat" type villain. A conniving, manipulating villain is perfect bc he drives the story fwd without getting in the way of the main story.
+wayde philpot Very well said.
I'm a huge fan of you guys but I completely disagree about Zemo. I have no idea how you can think he was irrelevant when at least 2 of the most major things that happened in the movie (the bomb which caused Black Panther to join the fight and the framing of Bucky which is the majority of the conflict) were directly caused by Zemo. Add to that, he wasn't the typical villain who wanted to rule the world or destroy it but only wanted to make the Avengers pay for him losing his family, and Zemo was a great villain. He had motive, he was a sympathetic villain, and he wasn't over-the-top. Zemo was great.
+Kevin Marques Yeah good points I liked how unconventional of a villain Zemo was and he didn't overshadow the Civil War.
Pluto nian yeah it seems like most of the ppl in the comments disagreed with them about Zemo too. It's not like he was the focus of the movie but his reasoning and performance were very good. He was definitely different from Zemo in the comics but this version of him was still an interesting take on the sympathetic villain. And he did win if you think about it. His plan kinda worked. Half of the Avengers are wanted criminals now and the team is broken.
Yeah, I haven't seen a single comment agreeing with them about zemo. From what I saw, people think zemo was great, and I agree
Oh, and don't forget, zemo is the reason Bucky escaped too
Joseph Miranda exactly. Without Zemo, there would literally be nothing except the Avengers debating over the Accords. They wouldn't really have even fought. The hunt for Bucky was what caused the big rift, not the Accords, so Zemo is responsible for practically everything cool in the movie lol.
Dude i'll say it. Best spiderman we've ever had. The "small sample" was perfect and is already my favorite.
you forget that Zemo purposely told the breakfast lady to go in the room and once the report that the real interviewer was dead it obviously got to shield which would get to tony
anyone else get the Raid vibe when winter soldier and captain America were fighting out of the apartment building?
Yup
+LAZEDOUT yes indeed
Yeah
The directors were saying they got inspiration from the raid movies for the fight scenes. Cap and Bucky vs iron man reminded me of the final fight from the raid 1.
mijan hoque great point!!!
There's so much in this movie, that there's a tonne of little things that I'm surprised that you didn't touch on. The chemistry between Tony and Peter, the fact that we didn't rehash the origin - no weeping over Uncle Ben. The fact that Spidey now makes his own webbing unlike the previous 2 franchises. The death of Peggy Carter, and the reveal of Sharon Carter and the budding relationship between her and Cap. The fact that the lions share of the avengers are hiding out in Wakanda should be interesting come Black Panther. Rhodey's injuries, and Stan Lee's letter perfect comic relief in that scene. Seeing baby Tony. It actually took me a minute to realize what I was watching there. The reveal that Tony and Pepper are on the outs. So much gold in that movie it really makes me want to see it again in theaters, something I rarely do.
Zemo knew Tony would show up. He was not expecting them to fight each other until they saw the video of Bucky killing Tony's parents. He was counting on all the Avengers showing up and killing each other, however, only 4 showed up.
+Capt. Morgan I agree.
They gave us the scene of Zemo phoning in his breakfast order for exactly that reason! He wanted the players there. I took that into the scene with worry about the new peace.
It was brilliantly handled.
I think that he wanted those two exactly because, together, they are the heart of the team. By splitting them, he killed the Empire.
which is why I do like zemo in this movie he broke the avengers
You guys are going way too hard on the villain. I thought he was very solid and one of the better MCU villains because he was very grounded and had personal stakes in what was going on.
I thought CW had the most awesome villain any movie ever had. when you think about all the times that you hear the collider folks complain that a villain was never fully realized through motivation and character development, you would have thought this movie would have made them jump for joy for finally getting the villain they always wanted because Robert Downey Jr. played him perfectly.
hahaha... true dat!
+Tury Gerardo Yeah. It was unique because the villain got what he wanted... even if he didn't do jackshit. I thought it would be 5 Winter soldiers vs Cap / Bucky / Ironman, just a mindless ending fight scene of good vs evil. What we got was the villain turn on his heels and made the two sides (mind you, this was when Steve and Tony recently became besties again) against each other in a whole raging level. It wasn't just fighting another mindless villains to strengthen their "friendship", high fiving after punching another Winter Soldier, but the villain chose to corrode their strained relationship even more, putting the stakes way higher than unleashing brain dead super soldiers against the Friendship club.
It was a stroke of genius that sadly many doesn't notice. The fight at the end has more weight and meaning than just another Disney ending of friendship forever and ever.
+Tury Gerardo One of the problems with Civil War (I would rate it a C or 6.5/10, meaning I think it's good enough) is that the movie is so afraid of letting a fully fledged civil war break out that it shoe-horns a standard villain guy into the story so that the stakes never actually get that high. Nobody really wanted to fight each other and they didn't really, except for BP I liked his arch very much.
+Tury Gerardo Tony was an antagonist, but he wasn't a villain.
Rajon Rondo think i have a solid argument that Tony locked them up and didnt set them free.
"My father made that shield, you don't deserve it!" Those kind of lines are what made this film great for me. Also when iron man backhands cap. Emotional stuff
Completely disagree with y'all about the villain. I feel like Zemo is one of the best MCU villains. Not only was his acting and motivation on par, story wise he didn't even need to have Iron Man, Cap, and Bucky show up to see the footage. He just needed to get access to the footage and deliver it to Stark to do what he needed to break the Avengers. And as far as sneaking in the base goes, he's an infiltrator! He wouldn't be good at his job if couldn't pull a fast one on a government facility! And story was also clearly needed to give Black Panther an arc. Black Panther was driven by revenge, so was Zemo, for the same reason too, and when he understood Zemo's issue he practically looked at him and said, "I don't want to be like you". One of the reasons he didn't kill him right on the spot. Lastly even though this Zemo didn't have the Purple Mask, he was still had the same motivation as the comics version "the heores ruined my family, so I will now ruin them".
+D.C. Stranded (Mr. Wright) Agree totally. Didn't Panther also say Zemo was a victim like himself?
SALonghorn I can't remember all the quotes bro... maybe he did...
I BELIEVE THIS IS YOURS, CAPTAIN AMERICA!
XD
That was great XD
IM YOUR CONSCIENCE... HAVNT TALKED TO YOU IN A WHILE
The villain wasn't convenient. He knew Stark was going to be there because he left the body with Bucky's wig and face fakery in the hotel room. Don't forget about that remember that as an avenger Tony has access to all media through the Friday cpu.
i only figured that out after the second time i watched it. those were the two things that didnt make sense the first time. why would he let the lady find the body and how did he know tony would be there. then it just clicked the second time. honestly i think the villian was brilliantly done. i initially thought he was good but afte figuring that part out he was awesome. his plan makes perfect sense. he essentially adds to the fuel of the initial conflict. making it more believable that they would fight. then just when you think they have gotten past their differences for the greater good he shows them that video. Cap knowing about it just pushed tony over the edge and that last fight scene is so emotional. the story is really well done
I think Zemo was necessary, didn't need to be the character Zemo. Could have been John Doe, but necessary. His plan was to destroy an "Empire". The empire was the Avengers and he knew the only way to do that was for them to destroy themselves. He then realized that Bucky could be the catalyst. I think the accord was just conveniently helped him. He got the mission report from Bucky and realized that the Russian base could have what he needed drive them apart. So he used the threat of the other Winter Solider's to do that. If anything the accords messed up he plan because under reg circumstances the entire team would have showed up to that base. Where he would have used to the video to drive them to battle.
+Travis McKay thats good stuff
Zemo is the new "Loki" of MCU villains. He was brilliant, manipulative, and resourceful. He was the reason the airport and end fight scenes happened. He was the reason Bucky was a fugitive. Without that Cap has no reason to physically fight over a philosophical difference. The most he would have done was go rouge & search for Bucky. There was no situation outside of Zemo in the film that would have warranted Avenger involvement, therefore there wouldn't have been a film. Cap wouldn't have told Tony about his parents and they would have reached some kind of compromise with the govegovernment.
+jason evelio I agree 100% I think they saved Zemo's character to set up the Masters Of Evil. Ok his first plan of having the Avenger's defeat themselves didn't work, no problem he'll form a team of super villains like the anti-Avengers to get the job done.
+jason evelio Imagine if somewhere on that prison where Caps team was held they were also holding Abomination and other unnamed villains that the Avengers fought between Avengers 1&2. Maybe Zemo gets put there as well. Maybe Zemo never intended to kill himself. Maybe it was his plan to get sent there and release someone who could go toe to toe with the Hulk (who is conveniently missing). Think about it. If his plan works he has only gotten rid of HALF of the Avengers. I personally think he has gotten a hold of the super soldier serum. Either leftovers from killing Stark or through the blood of one of those winter soldiers b4 killing them.
As a DC and Marvel fan I've got no idea which movie these guys watched when they talk about Zemo. Zemo was a great fucking villain. One of the best the MCU has got.
He was a Bond villain in this movie. Better than the most recent Bond villains we've goten in recent Bond movies. Those villains had even more over the top, crazy convoluted plans filled with holes than Zemo's plans.
Zemo was totally interesting. Leader of a death squad: explains his skills.
He had a tragic backstory: explains his motivations.
He set everything in motion to set the Avengers up against each other. Without him the Civil War wouldn't have happened. He baited the Avengers to Siberia and he put them against each other.
And about the diguise. This is the movie universe that made Black Widow into an entire different woman that infiltrated that meeting with Pierce.
And about the book. Zemo need it to get to Bucky. Using him to understand what happened during that night Howard Stark died. He attacked the UN to frame Bucky and cause more hardship for The Avengers. He wanted to rip them apart from within. He was filled with rage and feelings of revenge. So he took his time to plan this out and to make them suffer.
This is an over the top superhero movie. So expect the villain to be over the top too. Zemo even was calm in a way, calculating. I thought he was great.
Better motivations and development than Ronan, Yellow Jacket, Malekith etc. They had no build up at all. We've learned quite a bit about Zemo.
I wish I could talk to this guys live. This villain was so well done and underrated it went right over their heads.
+N Slater Yes he was. I don't know where the idea that they dropped the ball on the villain, he's not zemo from the comics, he blended in well
this movie had me so emotionally invested from the beginning to the end. Especially with the final fight scene where i really didn't know what would happen. I felt as though iron man could have definitely killed winter soldier or have captain america die. i had no idea what was gonna happen and it definitely added another level of intensity to the movie. I also loved how you knew everyone motives and why they were on that certain team. amazing movie
There thoughts on Zemo are so off and shallow. It's absolutely frustrating.
Well, I would agree they didn't need the villain. But I did think he was done well. He was understated. It was personal for him. He knew he was way way underpowered than the Avengers, he could never kill them. The only way to kill them is if they are torn apart. And he does. He mentally manipulates them to truly go against each other. That's a true villain for me. Understated but makes a big impact. In his words bringing down an empire. As for their complaint about it being unrealistic that he figured out Tony would go there and he had to show him the tape and everything. Think about it again. Is it really unrealistic? Cap and Bucky are obviously after the other Winter Soldiers, Zemo knows they're coming. As for Tony going there? This guy was smart enough to manipulate some of the smartest people in the MCU, you think he wouldn't figure out Tony would come there? Because of course he would. Cap and Bucky are fugitives. He's supposed to find them, that's what this whole thing with General Ross was about. To find the rogue Avengers mostly Bucky and bring them in. So, of course Tony would follow Bucky and Cap. The tape was probably just a final trigger. But, that scene like you guys wasn't hard for me to buy at all. I was all about it from the start to finish. This is what I think. As always, great review guys :-)
I've only seen this movie once to be fair but as it stands now I find it really hard to find flaws in this movie. I actually really enjoyed he villain, specially when you realise he WON.
The action delivered.
The plot was incredible.
The humour is used well and not excessive (unlike AoU)
The performances were the best they have been in any MCU movie thus far (especially RDJ).
The score was fantastic.
The visual effects were fantastic.
The cinematography was amazing (especially in the Airport fight)
The introduction of new characters was done masterfully.
10/10 for me but I need to watch it again.
Ya. I wouldnt say anything was a "flaw". Just nitpicks if you feel like being contrary.
Ya same here I can't find flaws
Spidermans reaction to the Giant man tho. lol
Yes man 10/10 😂😂
Holy shit!
+lowercase21 😂😂
Hola shit
+Diego Aldair *holy
Thanks to John Campea for pointing out Black Panther, because he really does get overlooked by everyone's excitement for Spiderman.
i dont think so. He got tons of credit from critics and fans. Both of em were the shit tho
I am kinda disappointed that there is no Aunt May's bathtub scene in this movie.
"Oh I thought it was a water truck"- Antman
"Do you guys know that old movie, Empire Strikes back? Remember how they took down the walky thingy!?" - Spider-Man
Did anyone else see Josh Peck's name in the credits as "Mr. Evans' assistant"?
Yes
+Julian Whiteway 😂😂😂😂
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTT???!!!
+Seth Campbell David Cross as a Grip
I saw that too!!!
I don't think anyone has caught this parallel, but there are similarities for when Cap says "I can do this all day" in the First Avenger alley fight and near the end of Civil War. In both instances, Steve is about to lose the fight, but he is showing bravery in his defeat. When hope appears to be lost, Bucky comes in and is able to save him. In the First Avenger, it is by beating up the bully after he knocks down Steve and in Civil War, he grabs Ironman's leg which allows Steve to change the tide of the fight. I just thought I'd throw this out there because it tied the whole Cap trilogy together in my head.
+Ruben Quiros excellent recall. i'd forgotten that. just shows how well the writers researched to tie that in.
The best humor moment was when Cap finished kissing Emily Vancamp and Bucky and Sam nod their heads at him
+FanboyBerries39 Movies Totally agreed... Best comedic moment... that and spidey yelling "You have the right to remain silent" as he swing
+FanboyBerries39 Movies yes
+FanboyBerries39 Movies It wasn't just funny, it was also heartfelt. Most blockbusters would've given Falcon and Bucky shit-eating grins, essentially going "YEA HIT THAT SHIT", but they also just seemed sincerely happy for Rogers, which I think really especially added to Bucky's character.
WS: you couldn't do that earlier.
Falcon: I hate you
Only one tiny gripe: Cap and Bucky get into superjet and go to Siberia. Tony takes Rhodie to hospital, gets scanned and has a conversation with Widow (and why isn't she in jail for her double cross?), Tony talks to Falcon, THEN goes to Siberia. Both arrive within 10 minutes of each other. Other than that, fantastic movie. Can't wait to watch it again (already planning to).
+Andrew Yeoh I thought about that too
The look of disgust on Stark's face when Cap ADMITS he know TWS killed starks parents....AND when Cap says "I can do this all day" definitely activated some man tears.
The " I don't care.... He killed by mom" part got to me the most. The most !!!
ankit sharma Better than "Martha!!"
Gotta say, I hope the crew focuses on Zemo's storyline next time they go see the movie. I actually thought it was really well done and I was able to follow his story effortlessly. His plan made perfect sense. He knows he can't fight them, so he played them all and really did start a war between them. If he hadn't bombed the signing of the Accords, Bucky would still be hiding out wherever he was before, T'Chaka would still be alive, which means T'Challa would've just gone back to Wakanda and lived happily ever after, and even though Cap and Tony weren't seeing eye-to-eye on the Accords, there wouldn't have been a catalyst to make the fight get physical. Zemo just came in at the perfect time to fuck everything up and that last line of his was great. His plan worked.
It was hard watching Stark see his parent get killed while Bucky, Steve, and Zemo were eyeing him. It was a time bomb waiting to go off, like Han walking out to meet Kylo. You knew it was happening and you're just shaking your head, saying "no no no stop it please no STOP IT NOOOOO" as if you KNOW what's going to happen next but you HAVE to watch it unfold. It's painful but it's really good
I liked Zemo, I liked him a lot. He was a villain who did not come in the way of what the audience wanted to see, the Civil War.
It wasn't convenient for Tony to be there, Zemo clearly planned it out. He set up the evidence in the hotel so Tony would hear about it and realize Buck might actually be innocent.
John usually is the one who can put these small pieces in movies into place, but he forgot this thing.
Zemo called Roomservice to his hotellroom when he was in Russia in order for his "Bucky"-mask and the body of real psychologist to be discovered, so that he knew Tony would figure out that Bucky was framed and that he would follow them there.
So it actually made perfect sense.
It's the part where falcon tells ironman tongi alone where it loses me Tony should have brought vision
Listen to my theory I believe Nick Fury know that Bucky killed Tonys parents too.
no shit
I love the look Bucky and Falcon gave Cap when he kissed Peggy's daughter. The "you old dog" look.
+mkferro the "you sly devil you"
I had a problem with Vision being so on the sidelines during that fight but I failed to realize that they set up his motivation. He says that great power without oversight breeds catastrophe. That's why he didn't want to fight. He didn't want to add to the catastrophe. He was trying to contain and protect everyone.
WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY
I really liked Zemo as a villain :) ... I've watched it 3 times now and every time his plan makes more sense. He didn't know everything from the beginning, his plan is constantly evolving. First the plan is to obtain the soviet red book, then to have some minutes with Bucky, then to bring everyone to Siberia by calling the hotel and make them discovered the body of the real psychologist (Who is Anthony Russo btw haha), maybe a little convenient but I buy it, I prefer to see it as if he is a great manipulator.
Yeah totally agree
I really like it how he was just a normal guy who had a normal life no super powers or super fighting skills
Just a man pushed to the point he will do anything to get some sort of revenge
Also like how he acknowledges that he will simply get nothing done if he tried to kill them head on but simply makes them fight one another just by bringing up secrets from the past and slightly manipulating events
Bruce Reich I feel we are talking about almost the same thing. My point is that he obviously didn't know every single thing in a convenient way since the beginning, he obviously didn't know about Siberia until he talked with Bucky, arguably maybe he didn't even known about the footage either, until obtaining the book. He is obsessed to find out the details of the mission in 1991 probably because he knows that Bucky killed Starks parents there but he needs more information to finish his plans, otherwise he wouldn't ask about the mission report, he would just ask about the location of the base in Siberia. He had a plan all along, but the way he wanted to execute it was adapted with the information he was obtaining along the way. That, for me, is what an excellent and more real strategist does.
+Martin Elizalde Lecuona im glad someone caught on this too. you are spot on about his plans evolving constantly, because there was a scene after Zemo activated Winter Soldier with the "words", he was at the airport listening to the recorded message from his wife, then he saw the news reporting that Winter Soldier went missing with Steve Rogers. His reaction was different, he knew his plans was "diverted" but he had enough to still go on with his plans because he knew Winter Soldier would end up leading them to Siberia, which explains why Winter Soldier was trying to pilot the Helicopter on the roof. I dont think a lot of people caught on that and thats why its worth re-watching Civil War more than once XD
@34:00 Dudes it wasn't Zemo's plan that they would fight there. All he wanted was to get the tape. He could have shown it to Stark at any time.
The biggest thing that needs to be kept in mind about Tony throughout Civil War and Iron Man 1 is his short-sightedness.
From his military-funding consequences to his Avenger consequences. His reactions are rash and poorly thought out, which Stain calls him out on it in the first film, and rightly so. Ending military contracts could have ruined Stark Industries financially. And how would you fund the Avengers past that?
A later rash example is having the Avengers regulated, and his position is based on one of person and emotion. Wrong? No. Flawed? Yes.
Just like ending military supplying, a personal down-to-earth example is shoved in his face. A teenager and countless others died because of his actions, just like families died because of his weapons. But what I love is that Steve attempts to absolve himself and Tony of the blame. The world has been made safe. There's no denying that. Steve is correct.
And it's awesome Steve reminds Tony of that.
Tony again is facing resistance to these rash and emotionally-based positions. And let's be honest. They are emotionally-based, where as Steve is looking at it from a position of the cold calculus (interesting how that is hinted at in "Endgame"...)
If it wasn't for that mother confronting Tony in the hallway, it could be argued he never would have questioned the consequences of the Avengers. And it changes his entire opinion on regulation, something he vehemently disagreed with in Iron Man 2.
Not only do we get an internal degradation of his character and who he is and how he relates to others, but we also see an external one; his makeup gets demonstrably worse. The dude has not slept probably in days, and it's a wonderful insight into what he's dealing with and how. Everything is falling apart in his world. Pepper, the Avengers, his calling in life, his friendship with Steve...
Even BETTER is that this decaying of character is carried into "Spider-Man Homecoming," in more ways than one...
And that's what makes Tony so relatable and fascinating. One action could change the course of our philosophies, morals and actions...and in a worst-case scenario, one single action can break our lives and friendships...
The jail that bucky was kept in I noticed was labeled D23. Which is the name of a Disney club and the name of the disney convention
I'm just glad that none of Cap's & Iron Man's mom's names are Martha
Their friends are both named James though. =p
The scene in the movie when he says your mom's name is Sarah. I was like "Martha!!!"
+Ted Chiasson Cap and Iron Man are both friends with Donald Trump.
+Ted Chiasson At least that moment was not contrived like how in Civil War Zemo spent the whole film looking for that video just so that Tony would be angry at who? Bucky? He spent the whole film looking for the tape so was it all so that Tony would be angry at Steve for a bit until he was sent a letter. Not to mention they had patched things up and Tony began fighting him again because, "he doesn't care he killed his mother" who didn't even seem that close to him and has never been focused on in previous films. I liked Civil War but do not be a hypocrite.
+Bat Bapeck LOL okaaaay if you still think BvS was a better movie than CW you're clearly spending too much time in your batcave. The philosophical differences between Steve & Tony have been started in past movies. So when he makes up its more of a temporary "my bad" moment but he still doesn't believe in his cause. Especially since he's known about the truth of his parents the whole time and still defended him. Tony felt betrayed by Steve who he thought was his close friend. So that reveal just broke what was an already broken relationship.... But hey to each his own... go ahead and enjoy Wonder Woman reading her emails, cause that's great movie making.
Very few complaints about this movie, loved it. Just didn't like seeing Crossbones as another throw away villain like Iron Monger, Yellowjacket, etc. Glad that Zemo lived at least.
Rogelio Rocha I agree, sad to see him go so quick but it was a good death that gave us a scene close to the comics. Black Widow sorta filled the Spider-Man role of switching sides near the end.
Zemo w good villain. He was not the main antagonist, but that I why makes him good. He has a huge personal stake in this fight and he did what no other Marvel villain did. He broke the Avengers.
Only thing he wasn"t hydra , I doubt he become Baron zeemo with the mask - maybe, maybe not. Just sympathetic
Lol Loki broke the Avengers, and so did Ultron. Unless you have a different definition of "Broke" I'm not arguing with you though. I loved the movie, and thought Zemo was handled well
+J shattered the team completely. they are broken and they didn't come together in the end. he succeeded.
+Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens: I am sure he will become more like the comic version later on. there is s reason he is still alive. Masters of Evil😉
Good review. No love to Agent 13 lol. Thought Zemo was not a throw away because he was successful one way or another. Best line in the movie was Black Panther: "As a warrior and a King, how will you stop me from getting to your friend?" So awesome, need to see it 3 more times.
Best part of this movie, apart from Spider-man and Black Panther, would have to be young Tony Stark,,.. shit flashed me back to Weird Science.
"I believe we haven't introduced. I"m Hawkeye."
"I don't care."
Baron Zemo did lure Iron Man to Cap and Bucky's location by calling the hotel's room service and therefore revealing the murder/plot. That's how he knew that Iron Man would show up at the end.
Sneaky bastard , lol so that was what the call was for , revealed on purpose
I guess because he knew Tony would catch wind of it
waywardson
Who sent tony the mission report of the dead doctor?
Friday picked it up on her routine checks, when Tony was on the Helicopter. The death of the Doctor questioning The Winter Soldier set off the flag. I'll double check tomorrow when I see it again.
waywardson
Friday?
Did John not see the end credit scene cause Spider-man/Peter Parker was in 3 scenes not 2
Black Panther had my favorite line in the movie, "The living are not done with you yet..."
Another reason the Black Panther didn't kill Zemo at the end was that the entire time after his father was killed, T'Challa had been trying to kill an innocent man (a man who was framed for that crime and who's other crimes had been committed while brainwashed.) I think the shock of that realization is what made him feel there had been enough death.
And I'm going to go there: I'm not a Marvel fanboy. One of my favorite comic book movies is The Dark Knight. That said, Civil War is MUCH better than Batman v Superman. I had a smile on my face for most of the movie (not for the humor, but because the movie was so damn good!
When is wasn't just smiling in enjoyment, I was enjoying following the reasons behind everyone's actions. All too often in BvS, I know I had a quizzical look on my face, wondering why a character did something. (or even worse, wondering why the director chose to go a certain way. It's a bad sign when you're regularly being taken out of the movie.)
BTW, even if Zemo wasn't really needed for this story (I disagree), he was a better character than Jessie Eisenberg's Lex Luthor...and his motivations were MUCH better portrayed.
Kristian, you want to know why it was so easy for Zemo to know Iron Man would be there? because he set everything up so Iron Man would realize his mistake and ultimately try to help Cap and Buck. He left obvious evidence Buck was framed and he knew ultimately they were a team to begin with.
Safe to say that Russo Bros knocked it hard out of the Park..
Baron Zemo is definitely one of the better marvel villains
+TheGameSpace I thought so too
+Dakota Hazel fuck off
+Dakota Hazel don't tell people to kill them selves because they don't share the same opinion as you, you DC fanboy
he seemed boring ..when placed second to the civil war story line ..
I agree he was a terrible villainm
The one thing I have to disagree with you guys on is Zemo. Without him, we wouldn't have a third act. he was the driving reason for the airport scene even. Team Cap found out where they needed to go and they were on a mission to get there. Team Iron Man showed up at the airport to stop them & bring them in.
Cap felt solid that he and his team had to go stop/confront Zemo. Then, when they get to Zemo, Iron Man arrives acknowledging the error of his ways. They were starting to naturally put aside their differences... until Zemo brought to the table the wildcard... the truth. He gave Tony the reason for his parent 's death...& who it was that killed them: the man he was trying to forgive- but all that went out the window.
Was Zemo as important to this story as Loki in Avengers 1? Nope, but I think he had a notable roll to play and had about the right balance he needed. Not too much... although we could have taken more, but as is, all the relevant points were made with him.
Anyone disagree w my analysis...?
I totally agree. some other stuff I think people are missing is maybe Zemo didn't count on Cap and Tony showing up but he was 100% there to get that videotape. or he WAS counting on that but leaked the info about the faked Bucky stuff by calling his maid because he knew Tony is super smart and would figure it out and show. All he knew was that he had to get IronMan to see that tape and then his plan was finished.
Zemo knew Tony Stark would show up in the end because he set up everything in a way that Dr. "Fake Bucky"'s body would be found in his hotel room (he even calls room service to make sure of that) right before he arrived at the base. So, he knew Tony would find out that Bucky wasn't to blame for the bombing and that he has been played, which would mean he and Cap would probably join forces to go after Zemo himself, culminating in them fighting each other because of the tape reveal.
Some people just want to complain about Marvel villains, but Zemo was probably one of their best. People might have expected him to be the big bad threat looming in the background, but instead he was just a motivated and resourceful man with a vendetta. When Spider-man is describing a dangerous man who believes, it applies to everyone in this movie: Zemo, Panther, Tony, and Steve. In the end Zemo also basically won.
Zemo's plan was centered around getting all the details surrounding the death of Howard Stark, that was his line of questioning. I believe the ending was not Zemo's exact plan but just worked out better for him. He specifically wanted to lure Tony to the base so that he could discover all the evidence of Bucky's involvement in Howard's death. Driving Tony to seek revenge on Bucky was the overall plan because no matter who hurt who, the Avengers would end up split.
+Kaleiohu Lee I agree. I expected him to be a weak villain like so many other and I would put him up with Loki as one of the best Marvel villains.
That doesn't make a good villain.
+Diwakar Mathur the butt hurt is great with this one.
i actually thought Zemo was ok, partially since he wasnt central to the conflict, and now it seems like they might be able to do more with him in the future, since he isnt dead
Yeah otherwise how would winter soldier break out
Can someone develope a chrome plugin or something, that mutes the sound whenever john campea talks?
No mention of the apartment scene wit Cap and Bucky vs the police?!?!! That was my fav action sequence
RIP Jon Schnepp
I really miss hearing this thoughts on comic book movies. Imagine hearing him talk about the Spider Verse movies. I still sometimes think to myself after I’ve walked out a movie theater seeing comic book movie thinking “I wonder what Schnepp would’ve thought about this one”
Same.💯
I don't know If I would even call Zemo a villain. Schnepp had it right, Zemo was the culmination of all their "recklessness" and collateral damage come home to roost.
Civil War was terrific. I'll need to see it again, but at this moment I'll give it a 4.45/5.
Zemo's plan did make sense. Zemo ordered breakfast while not at the hotel so that the server would find the psychologist's dead body and the prosthetic face used to mimic Bucky's, knowing that Tony would be alerted to his scheming as a result and try and find Cap, who he then believed knew the truth about what was going on. Even if Tony didn't show up at the Hydra base, it can be assumed Zemo would've then sent the video of Bucky killing Tony's parents to a place where Tony would see it anyway. Zemo did get lucky sometimes with regards to his plan but this was the best one he could come up with, it's not like he was carrying it out for fun and so, could realise this easily couldn't work and give up, he was determined to avenge his family and was willing to try anything to get revenge. I thought Zemo was a great villain due to how refreshing he was, he's just a normal guy with a very human, sympathetic motive, and he succeeded at hurting the Avengers more than any other villain by using intelligence, not brute force.
BTW Schnepp, the Avengers had to kill every single Ultron robot to kill him.
His motivation made sense to me. He was the only villain to take on the avengers and win without throwing a single punch. He successfully broke up the avengers.
Dude your explanation was so perfect. There's a lot of people who I think missed the point of Zemo. He's my favorite villain behind Loki in the MCU. I loved the line at the end.
Martin Freeman: Your whole scene, it failed!
Zemo: Did it?
Then the cut to all the Avengers broken apart. Vision alone in the Avengers tower. Rhodes can't walk anymore. Black Widow is on the run. Cap rescues the imprisoned Avengers and are fugitives now. Bucky has to be frozen. The Avengers are broken at the end and only something like Thanos is going to be able to bring them together.
Rest in Peace to Jon Schnepp and Chadwick Boseman.
I really liked Zemo and thought he was one of the better MCU villains... He had a purpose and a goal, and was able to outsmart everyone. I also love the fact how Zemo killed the other winter soldiers instead of using them to fight Cap/Tony/Bucky.
He was also the first villain to actually win. I think? Unless there was a previous villain who won. And also did it without having to actually fight any of them.
I do to. I think people just like to hate on marvel villains.
Zemo is everything I wish Lex Luthor would've been in Batman v Superman. I haven't really cared for Marvel's villains up to this point (except Loki), but Zemo was very well done.
+Beastinrocks Yeah, I liked Zemo, He had a job to do and did it.
+Beastinrocks I too liked the fact that he killed the other Winter Soldiers. I'd like to think his motivations for doing it were because he didnt want anymore "monsters" running loose killing innocent people. Also Balck Panther and him sharing something in common was very awesome, it showed the contrast between reckless revenge and moral choices. Zemo is gonna be very underrated, which sucks I thought he was great. The best part is that for once, the villain stayed alive so we will see more of him. If only Lex Luthor would be half of what Zemo was, BvsS would have been that much better
I totally agree! He brought a nice contrast to the movie imo, and I do not think the movie could have been as good without him ( I've heard a lot of people say they should have left him out.) I really did enjoy zemo,and thought it was nice to have a really intelligent villain. (unlike lex in Bvs) Oh yes, and I could really see where he was coming from motivation wise! The Russo's really have outdone themselves with the storytelling!