Fish Vs Shortboard - Which Is A Better Surfboard??
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Going surfing can be enhanced or restricted by surfboard choice. It can be a tricky decision for sure, and involves checking the surf conditions and knowing your own preferences and abilities.
Some boards perform better than others, some are more radical, some offer more flow. The number one thing to consider, as always, is your own preference. Which board lets you have the most fun?
In this video I dissect and discuss the differences between two common shapes; the shortboard and the fish. Note: my shortboard is quite 'fishy' in nature anyway.
Let me know what you think in the comments below!
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Hahahah - - my long board will never become redundant ;-)
AMEN!
You got your hands on a great channel name!
Informative! Thanks
This was a very helpful video thx
just the video I needed right now
I always appreciate your info! I’m in a slump currently and find that i need to make an adjustment to my surfing, I’m 48 now and have been surfing since 1987. Starting to feel less paddling strength, current board is the surftech thumb drive at 36 liters. Maybe I should look for something around 40 liters? I gotta get stoked again
do a video on how to paddle out in drifty overhead beachbreaks on short period swells when the current pulls you away from the channel/rip; probably the most irritating thing i’ve encountered in surfing.
Can be frustrating haha comes down to being able to paddle strongly (videos in our profile)
You must live on the east coast. Know your pain
Ellis Ramey yep, you know it
The hardest i reckon is how to get back when it is rock bottom and huge beach break+ backwash. Haha
HANBANG ZOU yep, sounds painful especially if your swell period rarely gets over 10 seconds like Florida hahah
Really helpful thank you.
Good video mate! Although I've just invested in a fish after 6 years on a shortboard and I think it's definitely more challenging on steep waves but the whole style is just different. Couldn't recommend enough to people who haven't used a fish because it's a totally different way to surf.
Yew love it! 🤙🏽 fishy wishy
I love all the outdoor sounds with birds! Really nice guys. Great Vid!
Kale , I originally had a 6”8 McCoy surfboard , after years of stopping surfing have started again and the surfing bug , I brought a SF3 fidh board TS , and found I was struggling to catch waves and being 120 kilos , I also now brought a Larger McCoy 7”8 60 litres and struggling to catch waves ... I noticed you love the foam boards and are they easier to catch small waves as of late in the south coast swells and South Maroubra
I’m a beginner (looking for my first personal board) and I’m debating the fish board option. The only place I would generally surf has small to medium surf. I’m 135 pounds and about 5’9”. I’m still pretty inexperienced but I wanna try and progress as fast as I possibly could without rushing it. That’s just simply due to the fact that I live a HECTIC life. I plan on kind of growing into it too so I may end up quite a bit bigger with my first board too. Any recommendations? I’m really just looking for something to just kind of mess around on. I don’t wanna get a softie, but a longboard doesn’t sound like it’s for me either. If I don’t get a fish board I would get a long short board or a short long board. I really just don’t know.
Wow I’ve spent so long riding longer boards just cuz I see myself as a kook and figured shorter boards weren’t for my skill level. I’d love to start trying some more board shapes. Living in Canada is frustrating for surfing😅
I had been on a large board for awhile and struggled. After watching your video I got a 6’3 fish. My surfing has taken off. Longboards don’t fit well in small curly beach breaks for me. Also they ruined my pop up because they are too floaty and often race ahead of the wave face. I have a PU fish and it pauses in the lip for just a half second before taking the drop. This is pop up time and it stays in the pocket. It’s not long enough to catch the nose like my longer boards on steeper waves. Great advice thanks!
Perfect 🤙🏽🤙🏽
What is your weight if i may ask?
Tomas Zajacek hey Tom I am 72kg cheers
Hi Kale, do you think the wraptor would be still a good call for avarage 2-6 Mediterranean waves? It will replace a Chilli red Peppa at 31, 5 lt.
I did checked your best boards video, and was nice, but being Jr easy to order in Europe and still cheaper than others, I m really interested in this, the redux, and the step/second cousin for better waves(travel board.
Thank s
Forty liters for a beginner. Sound frustrating I would say. But after a week or a couple of with an easier stick, sure. I'm 53, experience about 160 days and I have 46 and 52,5 liters fishes.
I’ve been surfing for 6 months and I usually rent a minimal because that’s what’s available. The shaper suggested a fish or a minimal. I want something I can have for years and will still be fun to progress on but isn’t too steep a learning curve. Would a fish work for me? I’m worried about getting too short a board and not catching any waves 🌊
I've surfed my whole life and have a few different boards but my go to is a fish! super fun and fast! and you can get some rad turns on it! I highly recommend it for all levels!
what size fish should i get for someone thats 5'3 around 105 pounds?
@@liamarnold7587 depends on your skill level? say that maybe 5'8
Mr G, what workout do you do in a 7 day week?
What do you do if it's pumping 1 day only or if it's pumping most the week?
Weights etc?
Everyone starting out, should do longboard for, at least a year (same applies as an "on and off mode" for more Intermediate/advanced surfers too 😉)
Better wave reading, better lines and overall better style 👌🏻
Then, maybe consider mid-lengths and hybrids shortboards before performance shortboards.
Enjoy the best fun of your life while surfing🤙🏻 Yeww
exactly what i did, been a year on a longboard now stepping down to a hybrid fish short board
@@MaxFung when you say a year. What does that actually mean lol. Is that a year of regular surfing every day? Once a week? 4-5 dedicated weeks a year?
Great video! I was wondering what are the dims on your regular shortboard and what are you dims on your Fish?
i bet the volume on the fish is about the same on his shortboard actually. Just less rocker, bigger tail and more planning surface. but I will let him answer
As a beginner surfer ready to transition away from the 9+ longboard, I'm sold on the fish but can you do a video on riding a mini simmons and if you think it is appropriate for beginners.
Kale love your vids...however I think a wide high volume thruster is better for learners. The thruster has better control and grip than quads or twins. It also pivots more and doesn't need to be nursed the way fishy type boards with twins and quads do.....I have always thought if you can't drift on thruster you shouldn't be riding twins or quads they are too hard to control for learners and often won't go in the direction they are pointed.....sorry to be nitpicky as normally your vids are great for learners. Best wishes.
What size would you recommend for me, I'm beginner-intermediate. but I’m 5ft6 and 150 lbs male?
Hello Kale, what do you think of these 7,2 fun boards, (47.2 litres). Mines a British made brand called Torq. I usually just go the wave pool near me in Bristol. I find I don’t get a lot of turning out of it. I’m up every time and I’m around 88kg. I have videos I could send. I’m just at a Plateau really. Im guessing time for a fish or a twin fin?
Looks like the blue fish had one of tail pins crease/break and then repaired. Seems like more than few of fish shapes w/ 4-5-6 inch deep swallow will do that. Did it break up or down? Looks like up just like all the others I have seen fail.
What's the dimension of your Blue twin fin and the shaper please.
what brand is that fish board youre using?
Thank you for the vid. How tall are you for comparison?
You ever ridden the wraptor as a twin Kale? Seems like it outline would lend itself well to a twin or 2 + 1...
One month on a long board 🙁omg I have been trying for years on my long board and still can’t master it 🏴😡
What is the best board to ride on Sydney's northern beaches?
I am new to the surfing world but been a few times now and ready for a shortboard but don't know what a good size is suitable... seems to be a lot different than when picking out a snowboard. For reference am 5ft 7 and weigh 160lbs. and not sure what height/vol board too get
I struggle with paddling fitness, hence the reason after 2 waves I jump on a bodyboard and catch more waves. I guess it's completely different feeling bodyboarding compared to surfing, but my legs are much stronger. Any tips to improve paddling strength?
numerous videos on paddling on our profile. A lot of back extension work in the gym or just surfing a lot
i’m an intermediate surfer learning how to do bigger carves, off the lips, and cutbacks, and when people always ask me for a beginner board i usually just say like a fun board. Y would u recommend a fish over like a fun board
Should the fish board be foam or hard?
Edit: for a beginner I mean, after switching from a long/beginner surfboard.
Good video!One question though,I've been riding a foam board for at least a year now and I'm thinking of getting a new board.I can turn both ways and kick out sometimes,do you think I should get a fish or something completley different?
Hey a fun board nsp should suit you well
Can you make a video about the diffrence between 3 and 5 fins?
Hmm maybe
What kind of board is that fish? I don't own one and I really am saving for one :)
What length fish-board would you recommendfor my beginner 10 year old watergirl gromm?
Hey I'm beginner/intermediate I was looking at getting a softech kyuss fish. It's 5'8 and 47L volume. I'm 5'11 and under 70 kg. I am sure it would have plenty of volume but do you think the size could be an issue as I am coming off a much larger board
You should be able to nail that at your weight it will be fun then boring after a while
What dimensions would you advise for a 5'10" - 200lb intermediate surfer. I used to be advanced, but haven't been surfing as much as I did when younger.
Depends on the board. There’s some good volume calculators online to give you an idea. I’d say around 35-38 liters give or take
What brand is the fish board?
I have a fomie rn I can go down the line I want to start turning what type of board should I get ( I’m 5 feet just a kid)
Is there a formula for the volume a surfboard should be given a certain height/weight? And is it different when choosing a normal vs a fish board?
I'm 1.75m, 76kg. Beginner surfer (can pop on a fun board but not much else). You ddidn't mention funboards - what are your thoughts on them for beginners? Would you recommend I try a fish? What size/volume?
Cheers mate!!
In our most recent video :) plus more videos to come
If your an advanced level surfer get a board that's about one liter of volume for every 5-6 pounds that you weigh. If you're less advanced I'd go 3-4 pounds per liter. But it does also make a big difference how the board is foiled (ie WHERE the shaper placed the foam) and also how flat the rocker is. Flatter boards will paddle faster but not do as well in steeper/bigger surf. Rail shape is also a factor, rounder rails are more forgiving and more stable (can be good for beginners) but a thinner rail will turn more aggressively and be more responsive.
@@1caoboi1 thanks. I'm not an advanced surfer... Currently surfing a 7'6" mini mal, it's quite fun.
The difference between 3 pounds per litre (41 litres in my case) and 4 pounds (55 litres) is quite big, I guess I might have to try some boards and see.
Also thanks for the explanation about the rocker and rails shape, very useful 🙂
What would be a good size fish for someone who is 175cm and 77kg who’s been longboarding for a long time? The waves in my area are usually mushy and small but I’d like to switch over to something I can learn more intermediate tricks on
Try out a 6.4 6.6 40L floaty hard board shortboard really easy to catch waves and stable overall , you can also practice turns
Should you use a board that is the same height as you?
I am an intermediate surfer, thinking about fish but worried about nose diving in steep medium size waves. Thus, do you think a fish would hold up in medium size steep waves that break fast?
Yeah definitely I bought a fish board and as I progressed and started to surf bigger waves I had no problems
What size fish would you recommend. I'd be surfing 2-3ft waves. Not much push from the wave. I've thought about a longboard or fun board as well??
Mason Neal you could also try a groveler board
@@aidenbhana2245 lol what is that??
Hi! Great vídeos!😁
What is a good fishboard size for a beginner-intermediate surfer transitioning from a 7.7 softboard?
Im 184 cm 75kg
Thnks in advance!
Hey that describes me exactly, and im really happy with my 6'8" super fish ~ 42L. Super nimble for its size and volume, but easy to catch waves. Only draw back its only borderline duck divable. Its the 7S Superfish XL. Ill grant it aint the prettiest board, but super versatile - I love it.
Hey man thanks for the vid, I’m having trouble on picking which one to pick but I’m an beginner/intermediate that’s swapping a softie for either one. I just want to be able to duck dive and paddle out quicker
Zhia Zhun which one are you getting
Thanks.
I love surfing, but i don’t live near the ocean and sometimes when i go to surf after i haven’t surfed in a while, i get really rusty😂 is there any tips for me?
Skateboard !!
To practice your paddling you can practice swimming in the swimming pool.
Practice pop up every day on the floor.
I'm the same, what I feel helps is exercising the muscles needed for the pop up and because pop'in up is a skill just getting an old board and using it to practice pop'in up on, swimming also helps.
What kind of fish is that?
What type of board is your every day board?
Nice video
what size fish should I get if im 5'3 and 105 pounds?
I miss being young and thin and riding my Nuuhiwa fishes in the 70's
Is that short board a hybrid???
Where can I order the blue surfboard on the left btw I’m a beginner and don’t have one.
My stats weight 71kg height 162cm and need about a 49.7 for volume
I just bought a retro fish from clayton and the salesperson said "don't put a traction pad on it advanced surfers will make fun of you", but I feel pretty comfortable on back tractionpads so I don't know what to do
Just to note , notice how he has larger fins this is a major benefactor when progressing from a longboard, if your finding your sticks not working for you upgrade your fins before going out and swapping out your board , smaller fins on twin fins = silly speed!!! riding 6.4 fish for 9 years also fishs are awesome!! but as doudogg states, super challenging on steep waves , crack your thruster / flying carpet out , great success also making fins and adding larger fins to the 7ft carpet its like riding the fish but feels like a mal its two x large fins on the outside shaped to 6.25" height pick your sweep and a standard m5/g5 center fin its a right barrel bunny.
Where can I buy that blue fish?
What's the name of the song? Thanks for the videos!
Great vid but i would say more speed off of the lip on a thruster compared to a twinie? not that convinced as a twinfin has less resistance in the water = more speed yes there will be more control on the thruster thou and you going to need it , but 40l for a beginner mmm there going to struggle period unless there a grom, and also there out all times in the week , most are weekend warriors at best not to mention they have yet to built up the fundamentals of wave judgment not to mention the lack of catch part there used to from there bigger board they will end up frustrated fast ,fishes are inherently very fast on good waves( over a decade riding on a 42l 6f2 fish / 40l ) personally it should go longboard/soft/mal > mid-length performance board / egg /mini-Simmons /fish > large shortboard or shortboard > but hey each to there own.
I am 5'10 and about 185 pounds. What would be a good starter board? Definitely prefer fish over longboard
What would you say is an appropriate sized fish for a 179cm 87kg guy who rides a longboard ????
I'm aware you're probably asking the presenter, but I would say aim for a 5'10" or 5'11" with 35-40L, depending on your level and fitness. You can go less if you're super strong and advanced.
Όλιβερ Στιούαρτ Awesome, thanks for answering my question.
Depends on ability - for an easy transition go for 40-45L or so
How to Rip thanks dude, I was thinking around the same. There is a 43l 6’ available which would fit nicely in that bracket.
@@oliverstewart3124 Έμμας Έλληνας σέρφερ.. πρώτη φορά συναντάω😂😂
Can you duck dive a longer fish? I'm a 5'10, 160 lbs and I'd like to try a longer fish and would love to be able to duckdive (can't dive my longboard). What's the longest fish you could duck dive? Thanks for the great videos!
John, check out our video on duck diving. It depends on the individual, your technique, etc...Hard to say.
Probably anything with more than 40L would start getting difficult
@@HowtoRip Thanks - that helps a lot!
what size board did you end up getting and how did it work out for you? i'm the same weight as you and was looking at getting a 55L 6'6" fish. i'm a beginnner
What brand of fish might you recommend? And what size for a 140 lb male? Been surfing for a month or so and long boards are getting too easy
Any good shape. If in Oz, Frank Tachibana
@@HowtoRip What type of fish have you got here in the video? Brand / width etc? Looks interesting.
Do you recommend a fish board for a beginner?
Foam longboard
I'm 75kg and looking to get a 6'2-6'4 fish board. what volume is recommended. (I'll be a beginner but i'm an advanced snowboarder and skater so I want to skip the longboards and get into shortboards) I've researched and am thinking around 35-40L of volume. btw i have tried a 6'1 shortboard and could barely pop up onto it it just sank!
I'm pretty much in the same boat as you, what did you end up getting?
What size fish is that
How big is your fish
What is board is the shortboard?
i'm 5'7, what size fish should i get? i'm a beginner
Julian Sar if your a complete beginner maybe get a foam board at like 6”6 maybe just because fibre glass hurts a lot when you get hit in the head
i see you guys with plenty of... something on your lips and sometimes on your face. Is it sun block?
And whatever it is. Do I need sun block if I surf on winter?
Australian sun is very intense so definitely wearing it on our faces however also ensuring we optimise exposure elsewhere for healthy vitamin D production.
It depends where you are
Plenty of something on your lips is probably the best comment we’ve ever received
@@HowtoRip haha you are awesome. Now you know where youtubers are looking at: not the board, nor the technique. Da lipzzzz
Small Wave board (ideally for 1-4 ft surf)
vs
Small Wave Performance Board (2-6 ft)
Right?
Yeah, wave quality is also a big consideration, fat and slow vs fast and steep. Faster and steeper will suit the performance style board more.
How much do you weigh, and what are the lengths and liters of both boards?
I weigh approx 80kg. 5’6 JR Wraptor and a 5’6 Tachibana Fish. Fish is around 32L and the Wraptor 27
@@HowtoRip That's really interesting as I thought your shortboard and fish would have the same volume except your shortboard would be around 6'. For yourself, what are your thoughts on a 6' 27 liter or 32 liter shortboard? How would those compare to your 5'6" 27 liter shortboard?
What size would you recommend for me, I’m a 14 year old 5ft5 girl?:)
Maybe around 5’10 for a beginner around 29-31L of volume :)
How to Rip thanks mate x
I just ordered a 6 6 fish. I weigh about 170 and the waves around where I live are pretty small. Hope I made the right choice
my name geff
i have a fish bord so ye
The Fish 100%
Ripping harder on your fish🤔🤔🤔. Riding short board like a fish
Sorry but I do not agree with you there are a lot of us out here that do not do snap turns and roundhouse cutbacks or huge floaters I've b even surfing for 59 years on a single fin longboard and am still stoked and can do most all I want on it
Okay :) as mentioned, whatever floats your boat
That's terrible camera man work zoom out and hold it stable when he is talking about the surfboards
fishy very sus
Why such aggressive style on the fish and so much loading up? They're better for carving and relaxing your style a bit.
easy on good slower waves. Have to work it in smaller beach break stuff.
@@HowtoRip A little contradictory as you explain the fish suits smaller waves better. Two different boards, so why surf both with the same progressive style? My point being that the video should point out that the fish is better for having a more relaxed approach to the wave and requires less work than a shortboard. Something that should've been reflected in your demonstration. Instead you're hacking the shit out of the fish and actually making it look like more work than the shortboard. Just some honest feedback. Nevertheless, very informative and looking forward to more content.
watching you bail your board in that mush was very irritating to watch.
I'm very interested in the topic but can't get past the terrible audio