I mean the Vikings draft pretty well historically. The problem for them is winning in the playoffs unfortunately. More recently the nfc championship game. In the past the 4 Super Bowls of course. It’s tough being a a fan of this team man 😒
As an Eagles fan, I’ll think of this every time I start to complain about Howie Roseman making a stupid draft decision. This move makes him look like an astrophysicist in comparison.
The players picked in those draft by Detroit were Dave Thompson who never started and Kenneth Sanders who played several years for the Lions. The Lions traded the 2nd round pick to the Falcons who selected the Heisman Winner Pat Sullivan.
I decided to look up what the Lions got for the pick that the Falcons used on Pat Sullivan. On prosportstransactions.com the site says unconfirmed because there are two possible trades and they are not sure which is the correct story. One is they traded Paul Gipson to the Lions for the second round pick used on Pat Sullivan on 09/09/71. The other possibility is they traded Rudy Redmond, Sonny Campbell, and a 1973 fourth round pick (used on pick #91 Dick Jauron) for Pat Sullivan on 02/01/1972.
Man no wonder their fans pelted Santa with snowballs! The Eagles in the late 60’s and early 70’s had to be one of the worst run organizations in all of football history
I lived in King of Prussia the year the Phillies won the world series. King of Prussia is a Philly suburb. I went to a few Phillies games and witnessed the fans boo Mike Schmidt. Long story short, they, Philly fans, are the worst. Philly fans steal candy from babies, kick puppies, make fun of handicapped people and throw ice balls at Santa. They misbehave even when their team is winning.
You ought to do the one on Reggie White, who Bill Belichick, then Defensive Coordinator of the Giants pined real hard to draft him but was overruled when the Giants instead drafted OL Adam Zimmerman, who never played a down for the Jersey Jiads. If Bill would have gotten his way, then teamed with LT would have created a dynasty for NYG.
Been Giants fan since 1979 and never heard about that Hurts to think about, White on that three man line with Marshall on the line, Taylor, Banks and Carson behind at LB? What?!?!?!?
Even taking Sapp into consideration Mamula is far from the Eagles worst draft pick, he was solid until injuries ended his career early. JJAW Marcus Smith and Danny Watkins were all much worse.
It's hard to understand today why Greg Barton was so sought after in 1971, especially given his skimpy resume. He and Joe Theismann split the Toronto quarterbacking in 1971, but Barton's playing time was reduced after he broke a finger late in the year. He took over as the starter when Theismann broke his leg in the season opener in 1972, but his performance was so poor (0 TD, 9 INT) that he was cut after 4 games, all of them losses. Oddly, the Argos brought him back in 1973 as director of player personnel. He came out of retirement to play for the Portland Storm of the World Football League in 1974, retired as a player but coached the renamed Thunder in 1975, and remained in Portland, coaching youth sports and operating a quarterbacking school. Greg Barton died of Alzheimer's disease in August 2019 at the age of 73.
Rick Arrington is the father of sportscaster & sideline reporter Jill Arrington; I remember Jim Nantz mentioning that tidbit during the pregame of the first playoff game between the Buccaneers & Eagles in January 2001. Pete Retzlaff was a good player for the Eagles, but as the team's GM things didn't go so well, especially with this pick.
“We are very high on Barton”, said Pete Retzlaff, Eagles GM. I just looked up Barton’s statistics on pro-football-reference. Total 1 pass attempted - 0 completions. That’s career statistics. I don’t know what Pete Retzlaff was thinking...
Maybe the Eagles traded for Greg Barton because he had a higher passer rating than Norm Snead just by literally throwing every one of his passes directly into the ground.
This just has to be the worst draft day trade ever...I mean, based on what you just told us here, nothing is even close. What a disaster. Never even heard of this story. Not one of the better looks in Eagles' history, for sure.
The Roman Gabriel trade by philly wasn’t that great either. The Rams got 2 number 1 draft picks, all star receiver Harold Jackson and running backTony baker for Gabriel.
The Eagles could've had Warren Sapp at their previous draft slot but lets instead trade up and give up more draft picks to get a worse Defensive Lineman.
What about the 1991 trade- The Eagles in order to move up in the first round in the 1991 draft, traded their 1st round pick in 1992 to the Packers. They then drafted Antoine Davis who became a bust. The players drafted with the #1 in 91 and the #1 in 92- Vinnie Clark and Kevin Smith. But, that #1 in 92 the Packers traded the pick to the Falcons for a fat, backup QB who was drafted in the 2nd round in 91.
If you're gonna mention an outstanding Mamula game you should've highlighted a game he had against the Patriots. I'm pretty sure he had three sacks and won defensive player of the week.
And I thought it was bad when Bruce Clark got drafted #4 overall by the Packers in 1980, nope-ed out of that to play in Canada, then came back and played with the Saints!
It doesn’t say how much the eagles were offering him. I’m curious. Also, I don’t understand trading for a guy who you only get the rites to for 3 weeks. He could have signed with any nfl team right? I must be missing something.
Yay! That's my Eagles in the late 60's & 70's (pre-Vermeil) oh what fun. Those first 3 QB's were pretty solid. Oddly Pastorini probably had the best win-loss ratio until Plunkett joined him as the back-up in Oakland
No Offense, but no trade can be worse than the Mamula trade. It has so many layers and so much pain attached to it that it has to the worst trade ever for one team. Lets recap... Bucs entered the draft with the 7th overall pick and 41st overall pick. Warren Sapp drops to the 7th pick and the Eagles Trade Up. To only pick Mike Mamula. Sapp drops to the 12th pick which the Bucs own in the Trade and pick Sapp. Heres the Trade and what happened to each pick. Bucs Trade 1st, 6th Overall Mike Mamula 3rd, 72nd Overall Greg Jefferson to Eagles for 1st, 12th Overall Warren Sapp 2nd, 43rd Overall Melvin Johnson 2nd, 63rd Overall Shane Hannah (trade to Cowboys) The Bucs then Trade with the Cowboys Bucs Trade 2nd, 41st Overall Ron Davis (traded to Falcons) 2nd, 63rd Overall Shane Hannah (from Eagles, through Bucs) to Cowboys for 1st, 26th Overall Derrick Brooks So the Bucs trade the 7th overall and 41st overall picks for Warren Sapp Derrick Brooks Melvin Johnson They gave up Mike Mamula Greg Jefferson Ron Davis Shane Hannah Fast Forward to January of 2003, Eagles playing in the last game in Veterans Stadium, the NFC Championship Game. Eagles Favored vs a team they had owned for the past 3 years. Then Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks walk in.... To this day the worse loss in Eagles History is that Game. And THEY made it happen!! The Philadelphia Eagles Literally Built a Wing in the Hall Of Fame for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers!!
Seriously, if Sapp isn’t in that draft nobody even remembers that pick. Mamula was solid before injuries ruined his career. JJAW, Marcus Smith, Danny Watkins, Freddie Mitchell, Jerome McDougal, and Jon Harris have all been much worse picks since he was drafted
If Mamula was drafted in the 3rd* round, nobody would talk crap about him. He'd be a guy that Eagles fans born in the 80s or before remember as a decent, maybe underrated player. Fans of other teams born in the 80s might remember him from their football card collections. But he wouldn't be talked about with such scorn. Greg Barton had 0 yards and a 39.6 passer rating in the NFL, 1000 yards and a 39.8 rating in the CFL, and 800 yards with a 49.1 rating in the WFL. He was just a bad QB. (*which is where he was rated based on his college tape, which is the ONLY thing teams should really be looking at anyway--combine numbers are stupid and people who move prospects up based on combine numbers are super ultra mega stupid)
I don't get why Mamula gets brought up so much when talking about busts, he wasn't that big a bust. Was he drafted way too high? Yes. Was he the biggest bust in the draft? Not by a long shot. Ki-Jana Carter was taken at #1 overall and Michael Westbrook was #4. The year before Heath Shuler was #3 and Trev Alberts #5. The year after Lawrence Phillips was #6. Mamula was a solid starter until he was forced to retire due to injuries. 31.5 sacks, 8 forced fumbles, 5 fumble recoveries, an interception, and a defensive touchdown are nothing to sneeze at over a 5 year career.
Not to mention not a lot of talent in the mid 1990’s as feminism and newly invented Birth Control Pills made motherhood unfashionable in the early to mid 1970’s
When players became free agents by playing out their options in 1971, they weren't totally free. They had to deal with the "Rozelle Rule". Pete Rozelle would award compensation to the team losing the player and it was usually very high to discourage player salaries raising. There would've been compensation in 1971. Although Norm Snead made the pro bowl for the Giants in 1972, he really wasn't that good. While Philly would've been better if they kept Snead and didn't make that trade, they wouldn't have gone too far with Snead anyway.
Ever since I started watching this channel, I've learned things no other channels ever mention. It's pretty neat.
Dude every time I think I'm ready to watch something else, you have a new title I have to watch. Great channel!
Man, that IS bad! And I thought the Saints trading their future away for Ricky Williams was bad! This was way worse!
As a Vikings fan, seeing this level of incompetence in another organization makes me feel a little better.
I mean the Vikings draft pretty well historically. The problem for them is winning in the playoffs unfortunately. More recently the nfc championship game. In the past the 4 Super Bowls of course. It’s tough being a a fan of this team man 😒
As an Eagles fan, I’ll think of this every time I start to complain about Howie Roseman making a stupid draft decision. This move makes him look like an astrophysicist in comparison.
As a Giants fan, I know what you mean.
The players picked in those draft by Detroit were Dave Thompson who never started and Kenneth Sanders who played several years for the Lions. The Lions traded the 2nd round pick to the Falcons who selected the Heisman Winner Pat Sullivan.
I decided to look up what the Lions got for the pick that the Falcons used on Pat Sullivan. On prosportstransactions.com the site says unconfirmed because there are two possible trades and they are not sure which is the correct story. One is they traded Paul Gipson to the Lions for the second round pick used on Pat Sullivan on 09/09/71. The other possibility is they traded Rudy Redmond, Sonny Campbell, and a 1973 fourth round pick (used on pick #91 Dick Jauron) for Pat Sullivan on 02/01/1972.
Man no wonder their fans pelted Santa with snowballs!
The Eagles in the late 60’s and early 70’s had to be one of the worst run organizations in all of football history
I lived in King of Prussia the year the Phillies won the world series. King of Prussia is a Philly suburb. I went to a few Phillies games and witnessed the fans boo Mike Schmidt. Long story short, they, Philly fans, are the worst. Philly fans steal candy from babies, kick puppies, make fun of handicapped people and throw ice balls at Santa. They misbehave even when their team is winning.
You ought to do the one on Reggie White, who Bill Belichick, then Defensive Coordinator of the Giants pined real hard to draft him but was overruled when the Giants instead drafted OL Adam Zimmerman, who never played a down for the Jersey Jiads. If Bill would have gotten his way, then teamed with LT would have created a dynasty for NYG.
Been Giants fan since 1979 and never heard about that Hurts to think about, White on that three man line with Marshall on the line, Taylor, Banks and Carson behind at LB? What?!?!?!?
Michael I. The Giants drafted GARY Zimmerman that year instead of Reggie White. NOT Adam Zimmerman.
@@chadwickwhite6107 Shit. Sorry about that. Don’t ask me where I got Gary from.
So, why not tell the rest of of the Zimmerman story?...
@@jeffsmith2022 i am not a good narrator but the guy who does these shows does a great job.
There are FAR WORSE busts than Mike Mamula.
Jon Harris, just years later. 😝😝😝
Mamula was good for 7-8 sacks a year
Even taking Sapp into consideration Mamula is far from the Eagles worst draft pick, he was solid until injuries ended his career early. JJAW Marcus Smith and Danny Watkins were all much worse.
Sounds like a Howie Roseman Sr move
It's hard to understand today why Greg Barton was so sought after in 1971, especially given his skimpy resume. He and Joe Theismann split the Toronto quarterbacking in 1971, but Barton's playing time was reduced after he broke a finger late in the year. He took over as the starter when Theismann broke his leg in the season opener in 1972, but his performance was so poor (0 TD, 9 INT) that he was cut after 4 games, all of them losses.
Oddly, the Argos brought him back in 1973 as director of player personnel. He came out of retirement to play for the Portland Storm of the World Football League in 1974, retired as a player but coached the renamed Thunder in 1975, and remained in Portland, coaching youth sports and operating a quarterbacking school. Greg Barton died of Alzheimer's disease in August 2019 at the age of 73.
31 sacks in 5 years and he is the biggest draft bust in Eagles history??? Don’t think so
HOW DO YOU GET FLEECED BY THE DETROIT LIONS?!
It does happen from time to time. The Roy Williams trade to Dallas comes to mind. Also, they did get a nice haul back for Stafford this offseason.
@@derekcabanaw1789 it does, but I don't think it's ever happened to this degree before or since lol.
Easy, he the Philadelphia Eagles.
Rick Arrington is the father of sportscaster & sideline reporter Jill Arrington; I remember Jim Nantz mentioning that tidbit during the pregame of the first playoff game between the Buccaneers & Eagles in January 2001.
Pete Retzlaff was a good player for the Eagles, but as the team's GM things didn't go so well, especially with this pick.
“We are very high on Barton”, said Pete Retzlaff, Eagles GM.
I just looked up Barton’s statistics on pro-football-reference. Total 1 pass attempted - 0 completions. That’s career statistics. I don’t know what Pete Retzlaff was thinking...
Maybe the Eagles traded for Greg Barton because he had a higher passer rating than Norm Snead just by literally throwing every one of his passes directly into the ground.
You looked them up? He told you his stats in the video.
Ryan Marshall; I was fact checking. Three draft picks for that! Unbelieveable 🙄
I’m guessing they had area scouts in Tulsa and in Detroit who had a crush on him when he was in shorts. 🏃🏻♂️
Every draft in every sports league is a "crap shoot".
This just has to be the worst draft day trade ever...I mean, based on what you just told us here, nothing is even close. What a disaster. Never even heard of this story. Not one of the better looks in Eagles' history, for sure.
This trade actually made Howie Roseman look like a competent general manager.
The Roman Gabriel trade by philly wasn’t that great either. The Rams got 2 number 1 draft picks, all star receiver Harold Jackson and running backTony baker for Gabriel.
The Eagles could've had Warren Sapp at their previous draft slot but lets instead trade up and give up more draft picks to get a worse Defensive Lineman.
What about the 1991 trade- The Eagles in order to move up in the first round in the 1991 draft, traded their 1st round pick in 1992 to the Packers. They then drafted Antoine Davis who became a bust. The players drafted with the #1 in 91 and the #1 in 92- Vinnie Clark and Kevin Smith. But, that #1 in 92 the Packers traded the pick to the Falcons for a fat, backup QB who was drafted in the 2nd round in 91.
Thank Kotite for that however Kotite's best player was Any Harmon who could have played on any defense in history.
@@flexiblestrategist9922 You mean Kotite destroyed two teams?
@@flexiblestrategist9922 and Kotite also cut Jimmy Smith from the Eagles after one preseason game because he "doesn't know how to run a route"
If they're going to make THAT trade, how do they not throw in Snead and get Bill Munson in return? Incompetence at the highest level
Don't pull a Munson, you never want to pull a Munson.
If you're gonna mention an outstanding Mamula game you should've highlighted a game he had against the Patriots. I'm pretty sure he had three sacks and won defensive player of the week.
7:37 I like that a William Wallace was the author of this article.
50 Years Ago
This is actually worse than the Texans’ Osweiler trade
And I thought it was bad when Bruce Clark got drafted #4 overall by the Packers in 1980, nope-ed out of that to play in Canada, then came back and played with the Saints!
@0:33 Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks*, not Dunn. Two HoFers in the first round
It doesn’t say how much the eagles were offering him. I’m curious. Also, I don’t understand trading for a guy who you only get the rites to for 3 weeks. He could have signed with any nfl team right? I must be missing something.
Yay! That's my Eagles in the late 60's & 70's (pre-Vermeil) oh what fun. Those first 3 QB's were pretty solid. Oddly Pastorini probably had the best win-loss ratio until Plunkett joined him as the back-up in Oakland
I love seeing the eagles failure
Are you sure Jerry Jones wasn't the GM of the Eagles back then???? "That boy throws a pretty ball!"
Your forgetting that Jones traded Hershel Walker to the Vikings and got almost twice the amount. lol
@@denkeylee That was more Jimmy's doing than Jerry...
@@mrmojorisin2 He approved it.
No Offense, but no trade can be worse than the Mamula trade. It has so many layers and so much pain attached to it that it has to the worst trade ever for one team. Lets recap...
Bucs entered the draft with the 7th overall pick and 41st overall pick. Warren Sapp drops to the 7th pick and the Eagles Trade Up. To only pick Mike Mamula. Sapp drops to the 12th pick which the Bucs own in the Trade and pick Sapp.
Heres the Trade and what happened to each pick.
Bucs Trade
1st, 6th Overall Mike Mamula
3rd, 72nd Overall Greg Jefferson
to Eagles for
1st, 12th Overall Warren Sapp
2nd, 43rd Overall Melvin Johnson
2nd, 63rd Overall Shane Hannah (trade to Cowboys)
The Bucs then Trade with the Cowboys
Bucs Trade
2nd, 41st Overall Ron Davis (traded to Falcons)
2nd, 63rd Overall Shane Hannah (from Eagles, through Bucs)
to Cowboys for
1st, 26th Overall Derrick Brooks
So the Bucs trade the 7th overall and 41st overall picks for
Warren Sapp
Derrick Brooks
Melvin Johnson
They gave up
Mike Mamula
Greg Jefferson
Ron Davis
Shane Hannah
Fast Forward to January of 2003, Eagles playing in the last game in Veterans Stadium, the NFC Championship Game. Eagles Favored vs a team they had owned for the past 3 years. Then Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks walk in....
To this day the worse loss in Eagles History is that Game.
And THEY made it happen!!
The Philadelphia Eagles Literally Built a Wing in the Hall Of Fame for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers!!
Fire Howie
No
Say what u want about the EAGLES but that was really nice of them to give up 3 draft picks for nothing in return
Welcome to Dumb (Draft Day) Decisions
Wow, even the original Wentz trade was better for them than this.
I'm sure the Eagles winning Super Bowl LII made those past mistakes a little less painful. 🏈
Idk if you’ll answer this but how do you find you clips
Brutal 😂😂😂😂
Mamula was fine.
Seriously, if Sapp isn’t in that draft nobody even remembers that pick. Mamula was solid before injuries ruined his career. JJAW, Marcus Smith, Danny Watkins, Freddie Mitchell, Jerome McDougal, and Jon Harris have all been much worse picks since he was drafted
Do a video on the Saints trading all of their picks for Ricky Williams
31.5 sacks in five seasons isn't bad. But it's not what you expect from that high a pick
They could have had OJ Simpson…
It was the helmets, they were UGLY!
Underrated comment.
Damn this sounds like us now SMFH #fireHOWIE
Do you still feel same way?
If Mamula was drafted in the 3rd* round, nobody would talk crap about him. He'd be a guy that Eagles fans born in the 80s or before remember as a decent, maybe underrated player. Fans of other teams born in the 80s might remember him from their football card collections. But he wouldn't be talked about with such scorn.
Greg Barton had 0 yards and a 39.6 passer rating in the NFL, 1000 yards and a 39.8 rating in the CFL, and 800 yards with a 49.1 rating in the WFL. He was just a bad QB.
(*which is where he was rated based on his college tape, which is the ONLY thing teams should really be looking at anyway--combine numbers are stupid and people who move prospects up based on combine numbers are super ultra mega stupid)
I don't get why Mamula gets brought up so much when talking about busts, he wasn't that big a bust. Was he drafted way too high? Yes. Was he the biggest bust in the draft? Not by a long shot. Ki-Jana Carter was taken at #1 overall and Michael Westbrook was #4. The year before Heath Shuler was #3 and Trev Alberts #5. The year after Lawrence Phillips was #6. Mamula was a solid starter until he was forced to retire due to injuries. 31.5 sacks, 8 forced fumbles, 5 fumble recoveries, an interception, and a defensive touchdown are nothing to sneeze at over a 5 year career.
Man greg is one of the greatest guys I have ever known. RIP.
In all fairness to 1995, there was a lot of stupid going on with every team but one that year. And Warren Sap made them all pay.
Not to mention not a lot of talent in the mid 1990’s as feminism and newly invented Birth Control Pills made motherhood unfashionable in the early to mid 1970’s
wait a min your voice sounds very familiar did he used to make college football videos?
I would love to see the eagles get screwed that big time again.
Pete Liske!
Did Howie get into the hot tub time machine and make that trade?
BWAHAHAHA! Just like wINTz deal!
Riiiiiiiiiight... only the second year after drafting him they go 13-3 and win the sb
Lol, Eagles bad.
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When players became free agents by playing out their options in 1971, they weren't totally free. They had to deal with the "Rozelle Rule". Pete Rozelle would award compensation to the team losing the player and it was usually very high to discourage player salaries raising. There would've been compensation in 1971.
Although Norm Snead made the pro bowl for the Giants in 1972, he really wasn't that good. While Philly would've been better if they kept Snead and didn't make that trade, they wouldn't have gone too far with Snead anyway.
The worst draft pick will always be Jalen hurts. that was the biggest blunder of a pick I've ever seen
Do you still feel this way?