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Majorkill, what us the relationship between original space marine chapters to founding chapters. Are the originals worshipped or do the new chapters hate the new guys? And do original chapters look down on founding chapters?
The lamenters weren't the only sons of Sanguinius to remove the curses! There were also the angels resplendent. Until they decided avoiding the curses was heresy, renamed themselves the angels penitent, became rules by chaplain and actively chose to lean in to their gene flaws. They also had a Chief librarian who was never psycho-indoctrinated so he had a normal human mindset. Super cool.
The Lamenters are the real heroes of 40K. Even when they're treated like ass, are Tzeetch's favorite punching bags, and their own "brothers" annihilate them frequently, they still protect the people of the Imperium.
Not just that, but they would be willing to throw away their lives if it means 1 more civilian or 1 more battle brother lives. And they lament every loss of life from the Imperium, be they Battle Brother, Astartes, Sisters or civilian. THATS why i love them so much. If there were ever any deserving of love and should be considering the heart and soul of the Imperium, it would be the Lamenters.
the Lamenters: out of all the mutant gene-warrior legions and Space Marine chapters, they are one of the few that can be considered completely human, because they retained their humanity. a feat that, sadly, cannot be said for most of their kind.
Are the Carcharodon's a Cursed Founding Chapter? Because they're my all-time favorite Chapter, right above the Black Dragons and Salamanders. I feel like they are though, because I dare you to tell me Tyberos the Red Wake came from a normal Geneseed.
Another thing to mention is that the lamanters were the luckiest/unluckiest cursed chapter to have bad luck as a flaw since apparently they aren't the first cursed founding chapter that suffered from bad luck but they're the only one who survived
Great video, MK. Hope to see a followup maybe on the Dark founding. Also, have you concidered making a video on the Codex Astarties? Maybe covering its rules, who follows it, and who's exempt from it?
I thought the sons of Antaeus were an Alpha Legion gene seed chapter? Their armor is grey and black and there is no known chapter insignia. They are also huge and durable naturally, similarly to the Alpha Legion. The other thing to consider is the loyal twin Primarch of the AL also wore simple grey armor and never really stood out. It was the *possibly traitorous* twin who had the distinctive scaly blue armor. That being said I am not convinced either of the twins were actually traitors. I believe they knew that to join the emperors side openly during the Heresy would mean losing their ability to subvert Horus' battle plans. I am open to them also having some Gene seed from loyalist elements of the Death Guard. But i'm pretty sure the grey knights already had that covered.
@@rexlumontad5644 i can see that one death guard who didn’t get on the ship because he was taking a shit. “wait, where’s my legion and primarch? wait they turned traitor to nurgle? bro i was in there for 15 minutes and the galaxy’s gone to shit.”
@@Asraeks I’m mostly talking a video where he compares Huron and Abbadon and really takes a look at who is the better warmaster and likely how Huron overthrows Abbadon.
I subscribed to the theory of the Lamenters's curse being all coincidentally. But the idea of the dark angel half of Sanguinius LITERALLY cursing them is a better idea
The Cursed Founding may have been one of the Imperium's tragic mistakes, but fluff wise it was one of the most brilliant origin stories for a group of Chapters that GW ever came up with. Unlike the Smurfs none of these guys are boring. And everyone loves the Lamenters.
I could imagine their gene flaw is they become mindless automata eventually, their conscious mind fades away leaving little more then a body driven by instinct that can follow orders.
@@MrFallenone or grab anything off of a counter, or carry a couch inside, or type something on a computer, or try to carry a weapon requiring both hands, or drive, or open the fridge. This curse fucking sucks. Just give me tentacles from random orifices please.
The black dragons agree, cause the claws are incredibly hard and can be made so sharp that they're comparable to tyranid claws. Y'know, those things that can rip through fucking power armor. As such, they actually consider it a blessing from the big E and there's rumors that their apothecaries essentially cultivate those claws and horns in neophites by slapping them with the geneseed of particularly horny marines, while all the less flawed geneseed gets sent to the cogboys and inquisition for screening, so they don't notice that the dragons keep steadily getting more and more mutated. I'm sure that none of that is EVER going to come back and bite them.
@@crimsontear99 what a cruel cosmic joke, innit? They only live to suffer. Tell me, mister Crimson Tears, what would you rather be, dead or in a state of perpetual torment without any hope, knowing that you WILL suffer anguish until you still die, equally horribly?
@@TheVladdracula1 But their will astound me the most despite their Cosmic level PTSD and insanity I hope BigE reach out to the Lamenters and end their suffering for good
Yeah, they stood against the entire strength of the Minotaurs by themselves and, while they didn't win, they managed to inflict extremely high casualties and stood their ground for 17 hours. When they were abandoned by the Mortifactors during the 9th Crusade they stood alone against the Black Legion for 6 weeks. During the Battle of Slaughterhouse III, it's said they fought with ferocity and savagery that made the Orks recoil. The universe might be against them, but they sure as hell don't take the punishment laying down.
im honestly surprised how the minitours managed to get zero punishment for killing a custodes im honestly more suprised the custodes didnt wipe there entire chapter out since they basically only answer to other custodes and the emperor,not even guilliman can tell them what to do they just trust him after talking to the emperor i believe
Would anybody else actually like to play The Black Dragons on tabletop? They're basically Wolverine Marines with them having a mutation that benefits them and they look cool as hell too
I think, that the Sons of Antaeus are just Custodians in training. Like it would explain most of it, especially why they don't communicate to most and are able to take that much punishment while being so tall.
Alongside their misfortune, the Lamenters do have one other small curse in their all-consuming melancholy, which is only exacerbated by their misfortune. Other Blood Angel chapters claim that they bear the grief of Sanguinius' death more keenly than any other.
It would be so dope if they dropped a Pre-Primarch Era book about 20 Up and coming Chaos Gods that were struggling against the Big Four. Big E, takes note and realizes that those minor Gods combined could own the Big Four. Most of the book is Big E going to the twenty(or more) Gods... some befriend him(ferus, rogal, robute, vulcan, Russ) some hate him(mortarion, angro), some don't trust him but agree that they could own the Big Four(Lionel, Jagathai, Fulgrim,Alpharius, Magnus), some were about to betray him and tell the Big Four(the minor chaos god that made Lorgar), some were wild and mindless and just wanted a fight(Conrad, possibly Sanguinius but he ended up befriending the Emp, and possibly Jagathai but he ends up just wanting to rid the Chaos gods)... so his relationship with each one mirrors the individuality of the Primarchs behaviors... Eventually one of them does successfully betray him (the minor Chaos god used to make Horus, eh?), notifies the Big Four of Big E's plans and The Big Four and The Big E end up doing whatever the Famous Mysterious Deal He made, part of the deal was to remove those 20 minor threats from the Great Games playing field altogether(including the "Arch Traitor," who Big E decides to keep closest to him and ends up befriending his "favored son"...) And since time doesn't matter in the warp, it could fit several time frames... Maaannnn, I would read something like that... oh well, dare to dream...
My guess is it was possibly the human pantheon. I also wonder if there was an overlap between human & eldar pantheon like Ishtar is also Isha. It's just an idea though.
My headcannon is that the cursed founding was Cawl fucking about with the geneseed to see how it would react both when introducing new abilities (Black Dragons) removing the flaws (Lamenters) and changing the base abilities (Sons of Antaeus). He may also have experimented with traitor geneseed(Minotaurs, SoA and likely Blood Gorgons). Essentially, the chapters of the cursed founding may be Proto Primaris. This would explain why someone would covertly experiment with the geneseed.
Did the emperor even know about the gene flaws and did he try to remove them? If the marines are like the thunder lads and primarchs in any capacity, it's probably safe to assume that their flaws are intentional, or funnier yet, one of big E's happy coincidences.
My personal theory is that he very much knew about them but deemed them acceptable at least until the end of the Great Crusade. The problem with the Custodes is that they are handcrafted but Astartes can be "mass produced". My guess is that the Big E would have held a culling if Horus hadn't joined Chaos (just like the Thunder Warriors).
It is unlikely to be intentional. Genetic manipulation can have unforseen consequences down the line, that is the reason why we dont do that stuff today.
@@lockretvids Definitely a culling of some of them, but given how fists were used to garrison important shit and ultramarines were used as administrators even before the heresy, I don't think he'd have just gotten rid of marines altogether. Because, unlike the thunder warriors, they're far more than just berserk killing machines. That and in order to cull the marines he'd have to also kill the primarchs, because I doubt even the most loyal ones are gonna accept "Yeah, hey, you know all the marines which I encouraged you to basically treat like your children for literal decades and develop a deep bond with? [cocks shotgun] They gotta go." without a fight.
I hope there would be storyline with the Lamenters that their badluck is because of Tzeentch's work. Instead of falling to despair and join Chaos, they would still do what they do and remain loyal. The very opposite of the prophecy of a daemon regarding Mortarion.
Back in the day before the Legion of the Damned were confirmed as being the Emperor's analogue of daemons, it was left up in the air whether they were or not. The idea that they were selling as the most plausible was that they WERE the Fire Hawks, but who developed all of the other major defects all at once. Flaming, unkillable space marines with bad luck to get lost in the warp. (This was when the Cursed Founding was mostly Black Dragons, Lamenters, Fire Hawks, and Flame Falcons.) It was also left in the air whether the LotD became actual Warp entities, or were "just" nomadic, mutated loyalists whose luck inverted to take them to rescue servants of the Emperor in their direst hour and then fucked off to get to the next fight. I appreciate that their lore evolved, but I did appreciate the real sense of ambiguity about the spooky space marines who would show up, shoot things, then disappeared.
As someone who has been heavily digging into 40K lore for the last year, I’m impressed by how much stuff was in this video I have never heard before. Bravo mate
They had normal organs not the additions of Cawl. Cawl had worked on his test subjects for millennia. Felix mentioned he and other subjects got out of statis from times to times a few thousand/hundred years between to be modified with the latest advances. By the time of the Cursed Founding, his work mostly done already Dumping out a batch of failures is not Cawl's style. He is kinda a perfectionist.
And the Orks recoiled in fear at their ferocity during the Liberation of Slaughterhouse III. The universe keeps them down because it fears what they could do if they were allowed to succeed.
I think the lamenters true curse is that a few always survive, always getting hard enough to annihilate any ‘regular’ chapter, yet somehow surviving to see there chapter get broken over and over.
Could you imagine a conflict between the Minotaurs and Black Templars? The High lord lapdogs vs Emperor's most fanatical. Planets would crack before one gave in to the other
@@jahrusalem3658Eh no bias on this as I'm one of Da Bois but pretty sure if Dem Space Sharks showed up it be a real crumpin for anyone who faced them.
I'm pretty sure the Fire Hawks and Flame Falcons share an origin. Aside from having the same name, the psychic fire and the Inquisition's hostility to the Falcons both seem to foreshadow them becoming the Legion of the Damned.
Could you do a video that's a What Would The Emperor Do If He Returned? Like what would he do with the cursed founding, or how he'd treat the dogmatic imperium?
I personally think the minotaurs arent part of the cursed founding , they are indeed part of the iron warriors who remain loyal. But, u know lords of terra intrigues.
The good thing about the Lamenters is that the universe hates them so much, there is zero chance they will be destroyed completely since that would mean their suffering would end. They will exist until the Galaxy's end, even if just to be abused by the world 24/7.
One theory of mine about the cursed founding is that it heavily used traitor gene seed. The fire hawks are probably world eaters, the sons of antheus are deathguard, and the minotaurs are iron warriors
My question for you is this: TLDR: what did the emperor promise chaos in exchange for being able to finish the project? I agree with you about the connection the primarchs and thus their legions have to the warp. We also know the emperor had to go literally to the realm of chaos and engage in an event that not only aged but empowered the emperor (later horus) where he either ends up making a deal with chaos for the knowledge he needed to complete the primarchs and the project. My theory/question is that the emperor promised them basically how the universe ends up. Endless war with the primarchs as avatars of the chaos gods in the material world. I dont believe the emperor ever planned to go through with this though.
there should be a alternate timeline when the lamenters join the chaos marines but somehow slowly and over time, the chaos faction collapses slowly due to the imperium somehow able to combat their every action and the fact that abbadon was still warmaster.
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Can you do a video on the Crimson Slaughter or the red scorpions?
Wut? UA-cam bullshit at it again
Majorkill, what us the relationship between original space marine chapters to founding chapters. Are the originals worshipped or do the new chapters hate the new guys? And do original chapters look down on founding chapters?
Why, though?
The lamenters weren't the only sons of Sanguinius to remove the curses! There were also the angels resplendent. Until they decided avoiding the curses was heresy, renamed themselves the angels penitent, became rules by chaplain and actively chose to lean in to their gene flaws. They also had a Chief librarian who was never psycho-indoctrinated so he had a normal human mindset. Super cool.
Fehervari gang rise up!
They probably gained a lisp as a result of curing it. No one can take the wangles respendents seriously so they had to switch back
@@isaiahvaldez3330 Better than remaining cursed
@@konstantinriumin2657 I've got Feher Fever! 😂
> chief librarian who was never psycho-indoctorinated
That sounds like a warp fuck up waiting to happen
The Lamenters are the real heroes of 40K. Even when they're treated like ass, are Tzeetch's favorite punching bags, and their own "brothers" annihilate them frequently, they still protect the people of the Imperium.
I’m almost certain they aren’t 100% Blood angels. I’m sure there’s some Salamander in there somewhere
@@ranger3576 Salamander, Blood Angel and Imperial Fist too.
Not just that, but they would be willing to throw away their lives if it means 1 more civilian or 1 more battle brother lives. And they lament every loss of life from the Imperium, be they Battle Brother, Astartes, Sisters or civilian. THATS why i love them so much. If there were ever any deserving of love and should be considering the heart and soul of the Imperium, it would be the Lamenters.
@@Darksky1001able Hell yes. Even in my own 40K End Times scenario, they end up being the heroes.
the Lamenters: out of all the mutant gene-warrior legions and Space Marine chapters, they are one of the few that can be considered completely human, because they retained their humanity. a feat that, sadly, cannot be said for most of their kind.
The black dragons and the Firehawk are my favorite cursed founding chapters.
the black dragons are mt favoriate chapter followed by the sons of russ
Are the Carcharodon's a Cursed Founding Chapter? Because they're my all-time favorite Chapter, right above the Black Dragons and Salamanders. I feel like they are though, because I dare you to tell me Tyberos the Red Wake came from a normal Geneseed.
Another thing to mention is that the lamanters were the luckiest/unluckiest cursed chapter to have bad luck as a flaw since apparently they aren't the first cursed founding chapter that suffered from bad luck but they're the only one who survived
Great video, MK. Hope to see a followup maybe on the Dark founding. Also, have you concidered making a video on the Codex Astarties? Maybe covering its rules, who follows it, and who's exempt from it?
I'd like to see that
I don't think even Luetin has one like that yet
@@lordbalthosadinferni4384 All the more reason to do it then!
pretty sure no ones exempt they just ignore it, ref Space Wolves and Black Templars
@@LordInter Black Templars adhere to it as far as I understand, it's totally not their fault they've been crusading since the space book came out lol.
I thought the sons of Antaeus were an Alpha Legion gene seed chapter? Their armor is grey and black and there is no known chapter insignia. They are also huge and durable naturally, similarly to the Alpha Legion. The other thing to consider is the loyal twin Primarch of the AL also wore simple grey armor and never really stood out. It was the *possibly traitorous* twin who had the distinctive scaly blue armor. That being said I am not convinced either of the twins were actually traitors. I believe they knew that to join the emperors side openly during the Heresy would mean losing their ability to subvert Horus' battle plans.
I am open to them also having some Gene seed from loyalist elements of the Death Guard. But i'm pretty sure the grey knights already had that covered.
All sons of Mortarion get called by Papa Nurgle ... they would know if they were his sons.
@@MrFallenone are saying that any son of Mortarion whether they were present during fall or not would be called by Nurgle?
@@MrFallenone Not all were caught by Typhus' trap and betrayal
@@rexlumontad5644 i can see that one death guard who didn’t get on the ship because he was taking a shit. “wait, where’s my legion and primarch? wait they turned traitor to nurgle? bro i was in there for 15 minutes and the galaxy’s gone to shit.”
Maybe do a video on why Huron Blackheart should be warmaster of chaos.
he already did
@@Asraeks I’m mostly talking a video where he compares Huron and Abbadon and really takes a look at who is the better warmaster and likely how Huron overthrows Abbadon.
I subscribed to the theory of the Lamenters's curse being all coincidentally. But the idea of the dark angel half of Sanguinius LITERALLY cursing them is a better idea
That, or it was all Tzeentch again... :/
@@Archon3960 just as planned
Why do I feel like Cawl may have secretly had a hand in "The Cursed Founding"? Maybe it was an early attempt at creating Primaris Marines?
That would be a retcon I could get behind.
I can definitely see current GW making that claim now, giving the Lamenters a true nemesis in Cawl for their very existence.
@@mr.smithsgovermentclass4556 Same here! I actually like Cawl and wanna know more about what he's been up to for ten thousand years or so
@@DetectiveLance More Lamenters content is something I can get behind!
@@PelinalDidNothingWrong Give me a Lamenters book post Rift please!
The Cursed Founding may have been one of the Imperium's tragic mistakes, but fluff wise it was one of the most brilliant origin stories for a group of Chapters that GW ever came up with. Unlike the Smurfs none of these guys are boring. And everyone loves the Lamenters.
Yeah same.
Flaws & curses are what make some chapters really interesting.
So Sons of Antaeos are pretty much pseudo Primaris Marines with how they were developed except with some unknown downside.
I was thinking that exactly
I like their chapter symbol tho, it kinda reminds me of the Gaul faction logo in RTW 😎
I view them as regular marines, but buffed as fuck. 😎
The sons of anteus are probably death guard successor chapter
I could imagine their gene flaw is they become mindless automata eventually, their conscious mind fades away leaving little more then a body driven by instinct that can follow orders.
The Lamenters just make the whole setting even more unfair and grimdark :D Love them.
Poor lamenters. I think I am going to do a lamenters army, seeing as how often I lose games.
😂
The black dragons mutations sound like a buff instead of a curse.
It does ... until they have to go to the toilet.
@@MrFallenone and, that's now an image stuck in my head.
@@MrFallenone or grab anything off of a counter, or carry a couch inside, or type something on a computer, or try to carry a weapon requiring both hands, or drive, or open the fridge. This curse fucking sucks. Just give me tentacles from random orifices please.
The black dragons agree, cause the claws are incredibly hard and can be made so sharp that they're comparable to tyranid claws. Y'know, those things that can rip through fucking power armor. As such, they actually consider it a blessing from the big E and there's rumors that their apothecaries essentially cultivate those claws and horns in neophites by slapping them with the geneseed of particularly horny marines, while all the less flawed geneseed gets sent to the cogboys and inquisition for screening, so they don't notice that the dragons keep steadily getting more and more mutated.
I'm sure that none of that is EVER going to come back and bite them.
@@MrFallenone that's the point. They don't
I think the lementers aren't cursed but blessed. If you consider what they've when through, yes it's horrendous luck but they still survive
Their god damn weapons keep jamming and their death rates are abhorrent XD
@@TheVladdracula1 and yet the chapter STILL survives!
@@crimsontear99 what a cruel cosmic joke, innit? They only live to suffer. Tell me, mister Crimson Tears, what would you rather be, dead or in a state of perpetual torment without any hope, knowing that you WILL suffer anguish until you still die, equally horribly?
@@TheVladdracula1 But their will astound me the most despite their Cosmic level PTSD and insanity I hope BigE reach out to the Lamenters and end their suffering for good
Yeah, they stood against the entire strength of the Minotaurs by themselves and, while they didn't win, they managed to inflict extremely high casualties and stood their ground for 17 hours. When they were abandoned by the Mortifactors during the 9th Crusade they stood alone against the Black Legion for 6 weeks. During the Battle of Slaughterhouse III, it's said they fought with ferocity and savagery that made the Orks recoil. The universe might be against them, but they sure as hell don't take the punishment laying down.
im honestly surprised how the minitours managed to get zero punishment for killing a custodes im honestly more suprised the custodes didnt wipe there entire chapter out since they basically only answer to other custodes and the emperor,not even guilliman can tell them what to do they just trust him after talking to the emperor i believe
If I am not mistaken he commands all of them right now
Would anybody else actually like to play The Black Dragons on tabletop? They're basically Wolverine Marines with them having a mutation that benefits them and they look cool as hell too
More like Marrow but ye I agree
Baraka not Wolverine bro.
Poor lamenters they even made TTS emperor *SOB*
Would love to see more on the red corsair and more of Huron Blackheart they sound really dope for a chaos faction.
I think, that the Sons of Antaeus are just Custodians in training. Like it would explain most of it, especially why they don't communicate to most and are able to take that much punishment while being so tall.
"Gaunt's Ghosts EXPLAINED by an Australian" would be sick.
I ship this idea.
@@Shawaeon i ship this idea and Professor Snape
@@KamiRecca I ship this idea and I ship Voldemort
@@theonionbot6780 Brave.
Alongside their misfortune, the Lamenters do have one other small curse in their all-consuming melancholy, which is only exacerbated by their misfortune. Other Blood Angel chapters claim that they bear the grief of Sanguinius' death more keenly than any other.
Please let the next video be about the Primarchs and their relationships to each other.
The Cursed Founding were a failed batch of Cawl's attempt to make Primaris Space Marines.
Change my mind.
It would be so dope if they dropped a Pre-Primarch Era book about 20 Up and coming Chaos Gods that were struggling against the Big Four. Big E, takes note and realizes that those minor Gods combined could own the Big Four. Most of the book is Big E going to the twenty(or more) Gods... some befriend him(ferus, rogal, robute, vulcan, Russ) some hate him(mortarion, angro), some don't trust him but agree that they could own the Big Four(Lionel, Jagathai, Fulgrim,Alpharius, Magnus), some were about to betray him and tell the Big Four(the minor chaos god that made Lorgar), some were wild and mindless and just wanted a fight(Conrad, possibly Sanguinius but he ended up befriending the Emp, and possibly Jagathai but he ends up just wanting to rid the Chaos gods)... so his relationship with each one mirrors the individuality of the Primarchs behaviors... Eventually one of them does successfully betray him (the minor Chaos god used to make Horus, eh?), notifies the Big Four of Big E's plans and The Big Four and The Big E end up doing whatever the Famous Mysterious Deal He made, part of the deal was to remove those 20 minor threats from the Great Games playing field altogether(including the "Arch Traitor," who Big E decides to keep closest to him and ends up befriending his "favored son"...) And since time doesn't matter in the warp, it could fit several time frames... Maaannnn, I would read something like that... oh well, dare to dream...
Warp Gods, not Chaos
My guess is it was possibly the human pantheon. I also wonder if there was an overlap between human & eldar pantheon like Ishtar is also Isha. It's just an idea though.
The lamenters are always going to be my favorite chapter
Tbh the Sons of Anteos kinda sound like a secret Death Guard successor.
Looking big my guy, keep up the good work>
For the Fantasy quota I suggest "War Of The Beard explained by an Australian"
Being inside a Dreadnought is basically cursed.
My headcannon is that the cursed founding was Cawl fucking about with the geneseed to see how it would react both when introducing new abilities (Black Dragons) removing the flaws (Lamenters) and changing the base abilities (Sons of Antaeus). He may also have experimented with traitor geneseed(Minotaurs, SoA and likely Blood Gorgons).
Essentially, the chapters of the cursed founding may be Proto Primaris.
This would explain why someone would covertly experiment with the geneseed.
Did the emperor even know about the gene flaws and did he try to remove them? If the marines are like the thunder lads and primarchs in any capacity, it's probably safe to assume that their flaws are intentional, or funnier yet, one of big E's happy coincidences.
My personal theory is that he very much knew about them but deemed them acceptable at least until the end of the Great Crusade. The problem with the Custodes is that they are handcrafted but Astartes can be "mass produced". My guess is that the Big E would have held a culling if Horus hadn't joined Chaos (just like the Thunder Warriors).
It is unlikely to be intentional. Genetic manipulation can have unforseen consequences down the line, that is the reason why we dont do that stuff today.
@@randomdude8202 yeah well, unlike us big E can actually see the future, kind of.
@@lockretvids Definitely a culling of some of them, but given how fists were used to garrison important shit and ultramarines were used as administrators even before the heresy, I don't think he'd have just gotten rid of marines altogether. Because, unlike the thunder warriors, they're far more than just berserk killing machines.
That and in order to cull the marines he'd have to also kill the primarchs, because I doubt even the most loyal ones are gonna accept "Yeah, hey, you know all the marines which I encouraged you to basically treat like your children for literal decades and develop a deep bond with? [cocks shotgun] They gotta go." without a fight.
I hope there would be storyline with the Lamenters that their badluck is because of Tzeentch's work. Instead of falling to despair and join Chaos, they would still do what they do and remain loyal. The very opposite of the prophecy of a daemon regarding Mortarion.
“They went to war with the custodes and even killed one” is fucking hilarious
Who is thinking of making their own cursed founding homebrew chapters?
Back in the day before the Legion of the Damned were confirmed as being the Emperor's analogue of daemons, it was left up in the air whether they were or not. The idea that they were selling as the most plausible was that they WERE the Fire Hawks, but who developed all of the other major defects all at once. Flaming, unkillable space marines with bad luck to get lost in the warp. (This was when the Cursed Founding was mostly Black Dragons, Lamenters, Fire Hawks, and Flame Falcons.)
It was also left in the air whether the LotD became actual Warp entities, or were "just" nomadic, mutated loyalists whose luck inverted to take them to rescue servants of the Emperor in their direst hour and then fucked off to get to the next fight. I appreciate that their lore evolved, but I did appreciate the real sense of ambiguity about the spooky space marines who would show up, shoot things, then disappeared.
As someone who has been heavily digging into 40K lore for the last year, I’m impressed by how much stuff was in this video I have never heard before. Bravo mate
What if the cursed founding was just call ironing out primaris quirks and him dumping the rejects
I think they were a trial run for Primaris Marines and the quirks were flaws Cawl decided to iron out over the next few thousand years
@@PelinalDidNothingWrong Can't fret over a few eggs to make a mother of all omelettes
They had normal organs not the additions of Cawl.
Cawl had worked on his test subjects for millennia. Felix mentioned he and other subjects got out of statis from times to times a few thousand/hundred years between to be modified with the latest advances. By the time of the Cursed Founding, his work mostly done already
Dumping out a batch of failures is not Cawl's style. He is kinda a perfectionist.
When the emperor dies physically he will be reborn into a chaos god
If the lamenters lost their curse they would be fucking unstoppable. The MINOTAURS were impressed by these guys' tenacity. THE FUCKING MINOTAURS
And the Orks recoiled in fear at their ferocity during the Liberation of Slaughterhouse III. The universe keeps them down because it fears what they could do if they were allowed to succeed.
I think the lamenters true curse is that a few always survive, always getting hard enough to annihilate any ‘regular’ chapter, yet somehow surviving to see there chapter get broken over and over.
My favorite chapter. My absolute favorite. My beloved Lamenters.
Could you imagine a conflict between the Minotaurs and Black Templars? The High lord lapdogs vs Emperor's most fanatical. Planets would crack before one gave in to the other
Then throw in the Carcharodon's just to see what happens.
@@jahrusalem3658Eh no bias on this as I'm one of Da Bois but pretty sure if Dem Space Sharks showed up it be a real crumpin for anyone who faced them.
@@djphroop Agreed. Their actually my favorite Chapter.
I'm pretty sure the Fire Hawks and Flame Falcons share an origin. Aside from having the same name, the psychic fire and the Inquisition's hostility to the Falcons both seem to foreshadow them becoming the Legion of the Damned.
Press F for our good bois the Lamenters
Could you do a video that's a What Would The Emperor Do If He Returned? Like what would he do with the cursed founding, or how he'd treat the dogmatic imperium?
Longer vids with more mentionable factions and characters and story points would be nice
My precious Lamenters....
They will be rewarded one day
Sons of Anteus? Maybe their curse is knowing everyone thinks they're cursed#, and so they're social distancing.
Honey wake up! Majorkill posted again!
I refer to my toilet after a hard night of drinking as my cursed founding. I find the parallels similar.
You are da chadest lore UA-camr in the galaxy , and one strike cant beat you down, so we follow you lorechad
I know it's not directly related to this video but here's a question: is there any flaw in the Ultramarines' geneseed?
Curse of plot armor
After Matt Ward? Fuck no.
Intense OCD and other neuroses lmao
*smiles everytime he says Lady and Gentlemen*
For those we cherish we die in glory
Nice to see,surf shark is back
I personally think the minotaurs arent part of the cursed founding , they are indeed part of the iron warriors who remain loyal.
But, u know lords of terra intrigues.
Actually, there could've been _two_ Minautors chapters. 😎
@@Archon3960 Exactly
damn, channel is kinda blowing up. i remember when you were under 100k. doesn't seem very long ago. congrats yo.
The Lamenters and the Black Dragons are my favorite chapters from the Cursed Founding
I love the Lamenters
The Lamenters will always be my boys.
Inquisition said to Blood gorgon : Respect ma Authoritahhhhh!!!
I can easily picture Majorkill slapping the Fabricator General. "Bad Mechanicus! No toaster for you"!
Early! Also will you be explaining the Roboutian Heresy?
Already did a video on this subject.
@@MrFallenone that's the Dornian Heresy
Three cheers for the lamenters, the only confirmed good guy in 40K, with farsight enclave coming close second
I was just wondering if you would do a video about the cursed founding
I needed a chapter for the dead marine on the base of my Belakor model. Lamenters were the obvious choice.
What chapter is the marine at 4:00 from? That color scheme looks rad.
I've been excited for this video ever since I answered that poll yesterday.
Yes! The lamenters!! My personal favorite chapter
Just ordered the Space Spartans, love your work mate. Keep up the great work
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Next space marine video should be on other chapters on the loyalist side of the badab war
Like novamarines, Red Scorpions, Fire Hawks and others
Go just want to say that the trophy wall behind you is looking pretty fresh man, cool stuff you got
Lamenters are chads. Like Fuck bro they just dont give up
I just got cursed the other day with “Burden of Endless Paying” when I applied for latest iPhone
Lamenters: *exist*
Me:*sobbing*
the red scorpions could be a cool vid
Thank you so much!! I have been asking for this
"G'day guys and gal!"
Words cannot express how much I needed to hear that today.
Oh thank God I've been aching for a new Majorkill video 👍👍👍👍
Xo lamenters...my dredy in the watch got us
My favorite thing about your videos is you don't hold punches for anyone lmao great vid. Sucks for the comguide strike
The good thing about the Lamenters is that the universe hates them so much, there is zero chance they will be destroyed completely since that would mean their suffering would end. They will exist until the Galaxy's end, even if just to be abused by the world 24/7.
Maybe there a fusion between the ultra marine and smelly boy
Blood Gorgons represent!
World Eaters & Alpha Legion genetics ftw
One theory of mine about the cursed founding is that it heavily used traitor gene seed. The fire hawks are probably world eaters, the sons of antheus are deathguard, and the minotaurs are iron warriors
You should Make a video about top 5 people for war-master
I genuinely feel bad for lamenters they only thing they laminate is there own bloody lives
Sons of Antaeus??? Ummm Storm Giants?!?! That Chapter is basically primaries salamanders before Primaris was a thing!! Gotta give em a shout out
All my homies love The Lamenters
Lamenters gang rise up
Those last ones are just small ogryns in power armour.
Nice! I was hoping this one would win.
when you are Italian and you hear the name "inculaba" from Majorkill...
why are new founsongs done? are they dome when there is a lack of space marines?
My question for you is this: TLDR: what did the emperor promise chaos in exchange for being able to finish the project?
I agree with you about the connection the primarchs and thus their legions have to the warp. We also know the emperor had to go literally to the realm of chaos and engage in an event that not only aged but empowered the emperor (later horus) where he either ends up making a deal with chaos for the knowledge he needed to complete the primarchs and the project.
My theory/question is that the emperor promised them basically how the universe ends up. Endless war with the primarchs as avatars of the chaos gods in the material world.
I dont believe the emperor ever planned to go through with this though.
there should be a alternate timeline when the lamenters join the chaos marines but somehow slowly and over time, the chaos faction collapses slowly due to the imperium somehow able to combat their every action and the fact that abbadon was still warmaster.
Did the Legion of the damned video get taken down ?
Quality video sir. Keep up the good work.