I know my V-8 Silverado loses about 1/2 range when I tow my 18' lowboy trailer. Interestingly, it loses about the same range when the trailer is empty as when it is full. Of course it has 6' ramps which stick straight up to give plenty of wind resistance.
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@@icy1007 The Fisker Ocean for example! I tow my travel trailer 200 miles at a time with mine. Its an awesome tow vehicle.
Sorry for your bad experience with Lucid. I too bought a 2022, but my experience has been very positive. No interior build problems at all. The OTA updates, quickly took care of the software issues. I've got over 20k miles on it, road trips from Maine to Miami, all without problems. The long range allows us to relax and enjoy the car, only charging when we also need a longer break so no travel time lost. Our only complaint is about Electrify America network and the general lack of charging infrastructure in the USA.
@@joetz1 I don't think the ride is bad. My previous car was a Tesla Model 3 Performance, and man that had a harsh ride. So coming out of that, the Mach-E's ride is much nicer.
@@mrkcaldwe5 why did you move off the M3 for the Mach3? any reason you didn't stay with another Tesla? Before buying the Mach3, did you demo any other manufactures? i ask these questions because wife wants a Mach3, but I want her to look at others also...
@@bman6502my M3P was totaled after a pretty bad car accident. I really wanted another M3 and had an order on the new M3P. With the interest rates I decided to look elsewhere. That landed me at the Mach-E. Zero percent financing and my dealer was offering a significant amount off the sticker. I looked at it and then waited about 2 weeks before going back to get it. I also test drove a MYP and was unimpressed.
Agree with you. I’ve owned an Ioniq 5 Limited AWD, and it was a great car. More recently, after my Audi e-tron was declared a total loss, I test drove the GV60 Performance, and in my view, it’s one of the best EVs on the market for its (heavily discounted) price. Super luxurious, very fast, corners decently, nice steering feel, and a ton of features, including the super fast charging of the entire ePMG platform vehicle fleet, the massage driver’s seat, heated and ventilated front seats, etc. I ended up leasing a newTesla Model 3, but only because despite the steep discount I was offered on the GV60, it was still almost double the monthly payment to lease it than the Model 3 was, and the new Model 3 is a massive improvement over the old one, and is really nice to drive.
@@t1328 yes I didn’t mention before but I have had my GV 60 for 23 months and trust me what an amazing car I drive to from Vancouver Island home to Calgary total drive 1127 km driving time 10 to 12 hours depending on traffic and weather conditions my total charging time is 1 hr 15 mins so that was 4 fast chargers could be done with 3 chargers. I have driven the car 45’000 km and the cars has never missed a beat it’s a real treat to drive long distances. Your model 3 new addition very good choice . 👍
Thank you guys and thank you Edmunds. You have gone a long way to restoring my faith in some media reporting. Your critiques and summaries were on point. As a tesla follower, i concur with your summation of the 2020 model y. There has been a significant upgrade in their quality since 2022 but you were honest based on the vehicle you had in your fleet. And i appreciate that.
I remember test driving a 2022 Tesla Model Y Performance and pretty sure my spine was forever changed after that. Just bought a 2023 MYLR and it's not even close, suspension so much better but still not perfect.
Thanks for the explanation. I have 2024 MYLR, suspension is hard, but not shakey like the hosts says, good thing Tesla constantly "try" to improve things. The 24 model is close to a sports car suspension hardness
Besides Tesla you buy the lowest selling EVs. How about one that people actually buy like the Hyundai Ioniq and Kia EVs. Even the VW ID.4 was excluded.... wow. A big miss for Edmunds.
4 years old and 40k miles is considered end of life to who? Seriously? I bought 2 used cars in the last 3 years with 100k each on the odometer. I have put over 40k on my Bolt and another 5k on my Atlas. I expect to keep them until they are at least at 200k and 150k, then sell them to their next owners. You guys are crazy to think 40k is end of life. EVs have an 8year/100k warranty on the battery and electric drivetrain components.
I got me a Chevrolet Blazer EV, and I love it. I hope I don't have issues with the car. I understand, and I think you got it at the worst time, and that was GM's fault. They should it test it a lot before putting it out for sale. Fisker just filed for bankruptcy.
I really hope Edmunds hangs on to theirs for a while and gives GM a chance to make it right. I'd be curious as to if they can and, if so, how long that takes. Don't get a lot of content like that, it's either never an issue like with the Mach E, or it's broken for ever like the R1T tonneau cover.
I have high hopes for Chevrolet EV's in the future. I have had a BoltEV for 5 years now and really like it. I especially like the aggressive regen and the paddle behind the left side of the steering wheel that gives even more regen. The only thing I don't like is the slow DC fast charging speed, but I don't have to do that often as I usually charge at home.
I agree. I think the timing is playing a huge role in their dislike of it. I got mine the week after the stop sale was lifted and have had 0 issues. I expect some hiccups being that it's a first year production model though. I don't think Edmunds is giving it a fair chance. They should see if GM will swap it for another Blazer EV. Maybe they truly just got a dud which can happen with any product.
I know, right? Wife and I bought a Chevy Blazer EV a month ago. Love it. Feels like all of the issues they had, they've ironed out. I kinda feel like some of the 23-24 year models in this review haven't had a chance to fully bake yet. I feel like there's a legit threshold, where you purchased your Blazer EV before/during Spring 2024 you went through some pain, but afterwards its a different story. Also, other Blazer EV owners correct me here if necessary, but we test drove a few, had owned a gas-powered 2019 Blazer, and we chose the rear-wheel drive version over the AWD version, it felt sportier and drove better.
How’s Chevy Blazer EV 2 months later? And issues? I’m in a market for an EV and no I will not get Tesla! My brother got Tesla Model 3 and he hates it. He can’t wait for his lease to be over so he can return that shit box
I think I still have too much charging anxiety to consider a non-Tesla. And it's only gotten worse since I bought my first EV (Model Y). Taking road trips and stopping in a small town with 100 Supercharging stalls, and then seeing in comparison a single EA station with only 4 working chargers, I can't imagine feeling safe driving anywhere without the Supercharger network.
A number of other vehicles are getting access and adapters to the supercharger network. Ford Mach-e drivers will get adapters for free (we just got the vehicle, and should get an adapter for free soon).
So glad a waited a while to buy one. I got the a 2023 LR and it did have some build quality issues which got resolved in 4 warrantee service visits. That initially soured me a bit on the car but it’s been great since.
I bought a 2024 Tesla model y and ride was too stiff. I did install an aftermarket luxury suspension kit by Unplugged performance- new spings, dampers and it defiently helps with the ride.
@@alexwelch1520 I just tookk the Model Y AWD LR and the ride seemed perfectly smooth. What car are you coming from? It may be because my currrent car has coilovers and is super bumpy if the road isn't smooth. If you're coming from a luxury car that might be why.
The rims make a big difference. If you had the optional larger rims, that may be the issue. I have a 23’ LR with standard rims and to me the ride is excellent.
Thank you for this long term BEV review! The Mach-E has a recall on its battery pack contactors fusing closed. On a traditional golf cart BEV the physical contactors taking the form of relays are an emergency disconnect in series with FET technology transistors that can fail fully on causing the vehicle to go full throttle with no shutoff. A lot of Mach-E owners have complained of software driven aspects of the car becoming troublesome after six months. Touch screen malfunctions . . . What has happened to kill new Mach-E sales is the Tesla model Y has come down in price so much that for a little more sacrifice a month than a Mach-E people can have Tesla Model Y that does everything better with a long prospect of some retained value. They are both compact crossover SUVs with the Model Y being signifiantly better handling. The rough ride of the Model Y has an aftermarket retrofit from suspension performance firm. The retrofit has much better ride with better handling and less body roll. The trade off is likely less payload weight capacity. An SUV is a bit of a truck. The Mach-E with every upgrade kit and a super low used car price with a known DIY service ability might make for a reliable 3rd car. BEVs don't make for universal primary-use used cars because those buyers likely don't have at home charging, living in apartments and houses with on street parking. Even as a 3rd car a BEV has a charging issue because it is likely parking at the curb rather the prized spots in the garage or driveway where the homeowner can have charging hookups. That makes BEVs have much more of a fall in value than an ICE car when trying to be resold as a primary-use used car. Another issue is current BEVs have poor cold weather battery chemistry that benefits greatly from being stored in a garage typical of upper level luxury cars. Teslas appear to have an industrial life span in that they will never likely fall or rust apart with the ability to be fixed with difficulty and expense. That being said the main Tesla models are compacts models Y and 3 without the refined driving characteristics of a BMW i5 or or the roomy interior for four large adults with high comfort, fantastic ride and good drive of the Ford Lighting long range pickup. BEVs are not good economical buys at this point of early adoption. For the car enthusiast the Tesla Model S Plaid track package for a daily driver and occasional track day is very attractive and actually looks like a buy at about $100,000 as high as that is. At this time CATL has announced its new condensed BEV battery with 500 Wh/kg energy/mass density almost twice the current commercial BEV battery energy/mass density. Stating it should be in production for automotive use by the end of 2024. Its primary target market is aviation propulsion which would allow a price per kWh of storage many times what is commercially viable for the automotive market.
Good video. No question that the Model Y has improved dramatically suspension wise since the version you had, and I think if you had a 2023 or 2024, you wouldn’t have had the same conclusion. Also agree that it’s unfortunate you don’t have any of the Hyundai Motor Group vehicles in your fleet. How about getting an Ioniq 5 N added to the fleet? Still, you’ve clearly invested a ton of money in this EV fleet as it is, and that in itself is very impressive.
They also had the performance version with suffer suspension and bigger rims. I bought a 23’ MY long range with the standard rims and the ride is excellent. As much as I like the look of the larger rims, it isn’t worth the ride and the tire cost for me.
Rivian R1S is an astounding vehicle. It is literally an American Land Rover and can match a MacLaren 0-60. The new MK2 version is reportedly even better. Do I regret buying the Gen 1? No. I plan to have this car 20 years and/or 250k miles.
Would anyone buy a Rivian if it was priced what it cost to make? Ok, their losses are a mere $32,595 per vehicle. Lucid at $277k loss per vehicle... Great car, not commercially viable. Look at sales. Tesla will grow.
@@External2737 It took Tesla nearly a decade to start making any type of profit. Rivian will follow similar footsteps. Tho they definitely caught some large cooperation on their delivery fleet vehicles. Wasn't Tesla's case in the beginning. Wouldn't rule out Rivian until what happens with compact SUV "R2". If they sell really well, Rivian will no doubt make it.
A missed opportunity to not have had one of the quality players from Hyundai/KIA. We’ve had a KIA Niro for three years. Comfortable to drive, quality finish in and out…Perfect fit for city dwellers, 1200 mile road trip, NO issues, other than replaced windshield wipers at no charge. We equipped with 3 Peak Mtn Snows.go everywhere. 230 miles Winter. 270-310 miles April-Oct. 430
I see lots of articles with the title “Living with electric cars”. The immediate impression is that it’s like “Living with cancer”. As if having an electric car is a disease which you just have to deal with. I have a 12 year old electric car that has 117K miles in it, and it has never failed to move when I press the ‘go’ pedal. I never go to a gas station or have to negotiate with a mechanic to decide on what of the many problems I have the time and money to address. It has never had the drive train or brakes worked on. I don’t have to do a smog check or deal with a check engine light. How about an article on “Living with a gas car”?
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The “brake error” on startup is just the standard “bulb test” that’s ironically required still on a digital dash. Surely an experienced auto review outfit like you would realise that?
@11:38 It literally says Brake Malfunction, Service Required. That isn't normal.
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@@Waors Yes it is!!! They edited it to just show the 1 second that 'bulb' is lit up. It disappears (along with all the other warnings) just after they cut back to the interview.
1:50 - dang, i heard some complaints from others about the suspension/ride quality, but never heard it declared so emphatically (and i believe them). i suspect those 21" Uber Turbines aren't doing it any favors either.
Yea, the basic wheels at 19” are already really big. I always got for taller sidewalls on my cars for smoother ride and cheaper tires and I’m glad I did with the model Y as the ride is on the stiffer side already.
Well............. Since Chevrolet has fixed the glitchy software in the Blazer EV - Have you considered on trading in you current Blazer? Or has your current Blazer's software been full updated? If it has been fixed, It would speak volumes to your journalist integrity to have a full review update.
I watching this video, went and got a blazer EV RS lease 😂 You trashed the car that no longer has any issues to a point where I was able to get a 3 year lease with $0 down and $250/m in WA state. Love it 😂
I5 m60 i drove it back to back with a Lucid Air Touring. I dont like how the drivetrain is programmed. It shakes with sudden acceleration. It has a drive shaft bump. Its floaty for a sports sedan. And the space is mediocre. No frunk. But I have to give the I drive 8 as the best infotainment. Lucid air Touring is cheaper and rides way better than the I5.
6:46 agreed. the Lighting could be appealing as the value option in the segment, but with near identically priced version being much better in a lot of ways, I would get the Silverado over this for sure.
I have a 2025 Tesla model Y (not the refreshed Juniper) and the ride is still terrible and the seats are very uncomfortable. The upside is it is a lot of technology for not a lot of money.
You missed the boat. PHEVs are better than any BEV. Better range, more convenient and practical, less expensive, pay for themselves more quickly, charge quickly without battery degradation, and, most importantly, the fastest way to decarbonize without stressing the power grid. Not everyone can get a BEVs; if you can get an ICE car, you can probably get a PHEV. You can get a full charge overnight (while you sleep) on discounted electricity at level 1. No searching for a working, compatible, inexpensive, and available charging station. Mine gets over 80 MPG highway in hybrid mode.
I’ve considered doing the same as I really like my Model Y LR but I think we are going to get a new Model 3 as the 2nd car. If the tax break comes in for the base version, I will buy it immediately. Still waiting. It’s available for the LR now.
We also have two model Ys. A performance and a lrawd. I'm a gearhead and owned p cars and m cars but as a daily driver it's pretty much impossible to beat a model y lrawd for the price
Owner of a 2021 Tesla Model Y and I agree about the ride quality. Let’s just say that I own a 2001 BMW Z3 that I have set up to be used on a track and that thing rides better over bumps, no lie. The Model Y’s suspension tuning is absolutely head scratching bad. Like what the actual f**k Tesla. That thing needs to be 40-50% SOFTER easily. Big fail and if I wasn’t so close to paying it off, I’d trade it in for literally anything else. Even if it’s just a newer Model Y
The Blazer EV looks like a Bolt EUV, but wider and longer; then has a _gigantic_ pointless console to waste all the extra space. And of course its literally twice the price. But it does charge 3x as fast. Which is still slow by today's standards, why didnt they make it competitive? And who needs a motor (that can break) to s-l-o-w-l-y open the charge door instead of just popping it open in 1/2 second with your hand?
Good review impressions. Costs vary widely depending on the model. I have a F150 Lightning XLT with the 312a package and it has all of the good features, cost me $67k less the tax credit about $60k. Now it is maybe $5k less. So at that price, it is lots less than a Rivian. Both have pros and cons, my point is the Lariat is pretty high priced. A well featured XLT is plenty worth it. But it is a full sized truck to drive around. Good for minor towing. Plenty of power and fun to drive for the cost. I don't want to spend $80k on a vehicle. Around City traffic, a smaller Rivian would be easier to park and drive. Spending over $100k on any vehicle is very selective. I am happier at $60k.
I've encountered several Lucid Air owners and they all love the car. Confirmation bias? Most likely. They bought a car priced 160% of a Tesla, they damn well BETTER love it.
The looks thing does have some merit, as Ford did not design a unique body for this truck so it doesn’t really stand out from the crowd. From the side it looks like any other F150. Assuming they worked out the bugs, it looks like an excellent EV for those that need a real work truck.
Every EV available in USA now is good for the right price, even BZ4X and that Mazda thing. They lower the price on Blazer and gave you a rebate that wasn't even agreed to, that's worth a lot of points
Model y performance suspension is bad but man the lrawd is incredible for the price and really rides way quieter and smoother than previous years. I have a 22 model y performance and a 24 model y lrawd and it's night and day in ride quality. It's not the wheel and tires but the coilovers so you can fix it if you're willing to swap coilovers
I found the relative performance of the Mach-E and the Blazer EV interesting. I'm planning to replace my current car with an EV a few years down the road and while I like the Equinox EV for its buttons and other thing, the behavior of your Blazer EV gives me pause. Your tale of woe gave me flashbacks to my 76 VW Rabbit back in 81 and I suspect that it may have given me better service than your Blazer. I may hate Ford for putting the Mustang name on a 4 door station wagon, but I'm definitely giving the Mach E a look when the time comes.
Kia or Hyundai anytime!, eficient, comfy, reliable, 8 y warranty, amazing quality and design. I dare say Koreans overtook Japanese and German cars in "pay for what you get tech".
I like the background of the setup but it looks like you all are eating the microphones I’m sure there is a way to get good sound without sitting on top of the mic
I appreciate your reviews of BEV's, I also like them but they are not for me. 300 mile range BEV's only make 200 miles on the freeway - there are not enough high speed chargers in rural areas due to such limited range. They work great for local driving/commuting, but if you are off the beaten path, you will likely either end up being towed or spending the night at level 2 charging.
Fake news! You ABSOLUTELY DID NOT buy a Rivian R1T quad-motor Launch Edition for LESS than the cost of a Ford F-150 Lightning Lariat (not unless you got some sort of fantastic discount on your Rivian that wasn’t made available to anyone else). Remember … Rivian RAISED THE PRICE … even on pre-orders … and then back-pedaled due to all the flack they got for it (they still raised the price … but they eventually honored the price for those who had a pre-order in before the price increase). These are two trucks I watched CLOSELY. I _really_ liked the Rivian IF you could set aside the price tag. But the price tag WAS the problem. It was not available as a dual-motor initially … only quad-motors for the Launch Edition (or … at any edition at time of launch). The problem was that its base price for ANY Rivian with a quad-motor was near the top of what you could pay for a fully-spec’s F-150 lightning. Meanwhile… the F-150 Lightning started at around $40k and I think the Platinum edition was just a little over $90k. The least you could pay for a Rivian R1T (base model) started at around $80k. So if you’re thinking your Lightning Lariat cost more than a Rivian R1T Launch Edition … then your memory isn’t working.
I'm just getting this video for some reason but I don't know what price the f-150 you mentioned was. We got our 2022 r1t quad with off road pkg and powered tonneau for $78,500 @ pre-order price. I believe I remember them getting the pre order price as well.
Need recap to see how much money they have lost in one year. Test drove an Audi etron GT and was told not to buy it but lease it since it loses half its value in 2 years. A for being an honest dealer
Love my Blazer EV! The only problem is that it came with a bad tail light and like most modern cars it basically needs the entire rear body removed to replace it! And my dealer has no parking space so I cant drop the car off a day before and I had an emergency surgery the same time as the car appt so I am now trying to get the “free” repair done! Fortunately the car runs even though it keeps throwing glitches that have been strange to deal with, like using WAZE to find my speed when the instrument cluster died! I hear mechanics on UA-cam raving about car building being modular to help building but hurt repairmen but this is the 1st time I have personally been affected by it!
@@sarcasticundertones3513 oh crazy, thank you for the info. What private testing I've looked into showed a notable increase, that is interesting. Somebody's lying or not following a scientific method. Looks like I'll have to do a little more research.
There's a Fisker Ocean near me for under $28 grand. I think if it worked most of the time it'd be perfect for my mom. Good range, same size as her Sorento, fun but not scary fast and handling. Just don't know if it'd last without issues for long. It's not like either of her Kias were without issues, she's never had a bug free car, I think she's cursed; BUT she could take those Kias and Neons and other to any mechanic to get them at least running if not fixed.
Love the ents! Some of the EV comments are great, but some need more details. Also, polling staff if they would have Edmunds buy the car again isn't that helpful to us buyers who will be buying evs with our own money rather than someone else's. (^:
I own a ford Mach e and a Tesla y and I did have to change the shocks to teins to get that comfortable ride. Cost me 600 bucks and have it set to ten clicks in the front and 12 in the rear. Rides like a dream now Surprised you didn’t mention the mustang Mach e ride which is, imo, as bad or worse than the Tesla Y with the factory shocks. I feel like I’m really screwed with the ford because there isn’t a “budget solution” to fix the ride like there is with the Tesla.
@@19coyote5oh9 what do you mean by fine? Do you live in a part of the country where the road is as smooth as a pool table? The suspension is underdamped and is extremely bouncy, especially if the timing of the bumps is such that you induce an oscillating motion. The rear is much worse than the front The only solution I’m aware of is KWs coilovers but they are pricy at more than 3 grand. There isn’t much else that can be done at a reasonable price
@joetz1 I live in Montreal, probably one of the worse city's in North America for road quality! We go through -30 to +30 every year, so our roads are extra amazing...... So stop with the under dampped/over damped crap. There is nothing wrong with the suspension setup. If you wanted even better damping, you should have got the magna ride option princess.
@@19coyote5oh9 you are the first owner I have ever met who thinks there is nothing wrong with the suspension. The Mach e has the worst suspension tuning of any modern car I have ever driven. I am curious about what else you have driven if you think the damping is acceptable
@joetz1 First of all, we "haven't met." And second of all, if it is, in fact, the "worse suspension tuned car you ever driven," then why in the hell did you buy it? I call bs on any of your claims.
Ridiculous video. Tesla and Ford loving bunch there. Very unfair to Lucid and GM. Why not include a 2024 Lucid air pure for $70k in that mix? You included 3 teslas even a 2024 version. How about the Silverado EV which is leaps and bounds above the Ford truck? Your bias is a good reason to ignore Edmunds reviews.
Disappointed with the limited coverage of electric vehicles. Of the 10 best selling EV vehicles in Canada you only touched on 3. With the exception of the Tesla you missed all the best sellers, such as the Kia, Hyundai, Toyota, VW and Audi. For future testing why not check the top seller EV list and purchase those models. Not that it is worth anything when comparing vehicles other than I know two people that bought the Ford Lightening and both have got rid of them with nothing but complaints. One has a Rivian and so far very happy with the vehicle. Other waiting for the Chev electric pickup.
8:15 - just saw a couple 2 hours ago at my local EVGO station with a new Blazer EV (still had temp tags) they seem to be happy with it so it didn't even cross my mind to ask of they had experienced any problems yet (i just assumed everything had been sorted with the infamous Edmunds Car). with everybody out enjoying the first day of Summer the station was completely full once i pulled in: so it was the aforementioned Blazer, an BMW I5 E40, two Chevy Bolts, one Bolt EUV, an Audi E-tron SUV, and a Nissan Ariya. then 20 minutes in a Kia EV6, a Platinum F150 Lightning, and a Toyota BZ4X joined the party.
Like the "early build" Lucid Air, the Blazer is an early build. They have updates (over the air I believe) that fixed many issues. I'm not saying it is a great SUV. I like the styling and it has potential. I would NEVER buy a first year out auto. GM really needs to do better.
The 21st century is so confusing! $700,000 seems like a lot of money, but it might only buy you a small fixer-upper house near a freight train route and under a flight path here in California.
You can say a lot about Tesla's but steering feel is certainly not too heavy in comfort. My 7 months old baby has no problem turning the wheel. On top if that, Tesla's have the most direct steering feel. Superb steering is one of the best perks of Tesla's in general.
@@Maarten_vd The Tesla Model Y is an amazing car. I think it's the coolest car I've ever driven. But , I needed a less sporty steering and riding vehicle.
Weird hearing a comparison between the R1T and lightning being looks (subjective) and price (misleading). Market value of the launch edition was well over 100k when those were out. Rivian even tried to raise the price at the start. And looks? The rivian look is polarizing as well. I like how both look. You say the good thing about the lightning is that it is just a truck but then looks boring. The bmw looks boring as do the Teslas. Prices for the Rivian now are comparable or higher than a lightning. 80s for a dual motor large pack.
I prefer buttons and knobs, and I think the screen should be for navigation only. I don't hear reviews on the voice commands for navigation, I think there needs to be improvement on voice recognition. I've driven several cars with this ability and all have been lacking, and more pain than its worth. Also, too many cars come out with all black interiors, which is awful. Where is the beige, tan, shades of grey, blue, and white.
My wife’s RX350 looks like cluttered mess that was cool at some point to have all those buttons and dials. It seems dated to me now after owning a Model S for 3 years. Just my perspective.
@@Tommy2tone762 But your Model S at least has a speedometer (and other things) display in front of the driver. For the majority of older people that wear glasses, having a display out of our straight-ahead vision is a bad thing. Tesla's reasoning for not using anything but a display screen (giant cellphone): you can do everything you need to here, and "pretty soon" our cars will offer FSD and you won't need to look a display. The real reason: a big touchscreen display is much cheaper than knobs, switches, and displays. Especially if you have to buy them from someone else.
DMC DeLorean produced approximately 9000 cars between 1981 and 1982. Fisker Automotive produced 2500 Karmas between 2007 - 2012, and Fisker Inc. has produced approximately 5000 Oceans. Fisker Inc. was founded in 2016. As of 2016, there were an estimated 6500 working DeLoreans still on the road.
"If you're towing, you lose a bunch of range." The truest statement related to towing ever made.... regardless of the fuel source!
Someone thought EVs were different?
Yes, but Gas and Diesel can go for so much longer than EVs. EVs are sitting at a charger around 100 miles after leaving which is not practical at all
@@Robhyde13most people who tow aren’t going more than 100 miles. Though there are several EVs that can tow for over 200 miles on a charge.
I know my V-8 Silverado loses about 1/2 range when I tow my 18' lowboy trailer. Interestingly, it loses about the same range when the trailer is empty as when it is full. Of course it has 6' ramps which stick straight up to give plenty of wind resistance.
@@icy1007 The Fisker Ocean for example! I tow my travel trailer 200 miles at a time with mine. Its an awesome tow vehicle.
How is it that you have no EVs from the Hyundai/Kia family in your long-term fleet? Seems like a big miss here in this video.
Cus they already know that those EV’s are leading the market. They already said that the EV9 is their car of the year.
@@GaryKetchum808That’s more of a reason for them to own one. It would appeal to more people
yeah, i was gonna say where's the mighty Hyundai Corp representation...?
Cuz they trash
Agreed 100 percent
Sorry for your bad experience with Lucid. I too bought a 2022, but my experience has been very positive. No interior build problems at all. The OTA updates, quickly took care of the software issues. I've got over 20k miles on it, road trips from Maine to Miami, all without problems. The long range allows us to relax and enjoy the car, only charging when we also need a longer break so no travel time lost. Our only complaint is about Electrify America network and the general lack of charging infrastructure in the USA.
Air is one of the prettiest cars.
Love my 2022 Rivian R1T.
Now with 23,000 trouble free miles and a working tonnue cover!
Best EV right now, especially the new R2T.
The R2T isn’t even out yet though lol how can it be the best EV right now 🤔
There’s is no R2T planned 😂 - just an R2. But I think the OP meant the new second gen/refreshed R1T.
Great video! I picked up a 23' Mach-E GT in May. So far enjoying it! Really appreciating the quality of the interior.
What about the terrible ride?
@@joetz1 I don't think the ride is bad. My previous car was a Tesla Model 3 Performance, and man that had a harsh ride. So coming out of that, the Mach-E's ride is much nicer.
@@mrkcaldwe5 why did you move off the M3 for the Mach3? any reason you didn't stay with another Tesla? Before buying the Mach3, did you demo any other manufactures? i ask these questions because wife wants a Mach3, but I want her to look at others also...
@@bman6502my M3P was totaled after a pretty bad car accident. I really wanted another M3 and had an order on the new M3P. With the interest rates I decided to look elsewhere. That landed me at the Mach-E. Zero percent financing and my dealer was offering a significant amount off the sticker. I looked at it and then waited about 2 weeks before going back to get it. I also test drove a MYP and was unimpressed.
Interesting video , I do feel that it was too bad you did not include any cars from Korea both the Ioniq 5 and the Genesis GV 60 have great reviews .
Agree with you. I’ve owned an Ioniq 5 Limited AWD, and it was a great car. More recently, after my Audi e-tron was declared a total loss, I test drove the GV60 Performance, and in my view, it’s one of the best EVs on the market for its (heavily discounted) price. Super luxurious, very fast, corners decently, nice steering feel, and a ton of features, including the super fast charging of the entire ePMG platform vehicle fleet, the massage driver’s seat, heated and ventilated front seats, etc. I ended up leasing a newTesla Model 3, but only because despite the steep discount I was offered on the GV60, it was still almost double the monthly payment to lease it than the Model 3 was, and the new Model 3 is a massive improvement over the old one, and is really nice to drive.
Great point! IMO, Hyundai / Kia are firmly in the number 2 spot behind Tesla for US EV maker.
@@t1328 yes I didn’t mention before but I have had my GV 60 for 23 months and trust me what an amazing car I drive to from Vancouver Island home to Calgary total drive 1127 km driving time 10 to 12 hours depending on traffic and weather conditions my total charging time is 1 hr 15 mins so that was 4 fast chargers could be done with 3 chargers. I have driven the car 45’000 km and the cars has never missed a beat it’s a real treat to drive long distances. Your model 3 new addition very good choice . 👍
Don't worry -- coming soon!
It’s just an advertisement, they want you to aim your attention away from Koreans
Thank you guys and thank you Edmunds. You have gone a long way to restoring my faith in some media reporting.
Your critiques and summaries were on point. As a tesla follower, i concur with your summation of the 2020 model y. There has been a significant upgrade in their quality since 2022 but you were honest based on the vehicle you had in your fleet. And i appreciate that.
I remember test driving a 2022 Tesla Model Y Performance and pretty sure my spine was forever changed after that. Just bought a 2023 MYLR and it's not even close, suspension so much better but still not perfect.
Thanks for the explanation. I have 2024 MYLR, suspension is hard, but not shakey like the hosts says, good thing Tesla constantly "try" to improve things. The 24 model is close to a sports car suspension hardness
Besides Tesla you buy the lowest selling EVs. How about one that people actually buy like the Hyundai Ioniq and Kia EVs. Even the VW ID.4 was excluded.... wow. A big miss for Edmunds.
4 years old and 40k miles is considered end of life to who? Seriously? I bought 2 used cars in the last 3 years with 100k each on the odometer. I have put over 40k on my Bolt and another 5k on my Atlas. I expect to keep them until they are at least at 200k and 150k, then sell them to their next owners.
You guys are crazy to think 40k is end of life. EVs have an 8year/100k warranty on the battery and electric drivetrain components.
My Toyota has over 200k miles. No issues. These guys are trying to give real world impressions but they don't live in the real world.
Because they are full of crap out so is the video
I got me a Chevrolet Blazer EV, and I love it. I hope I don't have issues with the car. I understand, and I think you got it at the worst time, and that was GM's fault. They should it test it a lot before putting it out for sale. Fisker just filed for bankruptcy.
I really hope Edmunds hangs on to theirs for a while and gives GM a chance to make it right. I'd be curious as to if they can and, if so, how long that takes. Don't get a lot of content like that, it's either never an issue like with the Mach E, or it's broken for ever like the R1T tonneau cover.
I have high hopes for Chevrolet EV's in the future. I have had a BoltEV for 5 years now and really like it. I especially like the aggressive regen and the paddle behind the left side of the steering wheel that gives even more regen. The only thing I don't like is the slow DC fast charging speed, but I don't have to do that often as I usually charge at home.
I agree. I think the timing is playing a huge role in their dislike of it. I got mine the week after the stop sale was lifted and have had 0 issues. I expect some hiccups being that it's a first year production model though. I don't think Edmunds is giving it a fair chance. They should see if GM will swap it for another Blazer EV. Maybe they truly just got a dud which can happen with any product.
I know, right? Wife and I bought a Chevy Blazer EV a month ago. Love it. Feels like all of the issues they had, they've ironed out. I kinda feel like some of the 23-24 year models in this review haven't had a chance to fully bake yet. I feel like there's a legit threshold, where you purchased your Blazer EV before/during Spring 2024 you went through some pain, but afterwards its a different story. Also, other Blazer EV owners correct me here if necessary, but we test drove a few, had owned a gas-powered 2019 Blazer, and we chose the rear-wheel drive version over the AWD version, it felt sportier and drove better.
How’s Chevy Blazer EV 2 months later? And issues? I’m in a market for an EV and no I will not get Tesla! My brother got Tesla Model 3 and he hates it. He can’t wait for his lease to be over so he can return that shit box
Couldn’t agree more about your assessment of the ride quality of the Model Y. I have never been happier to get rid of a car!
I think I still have too much charging anxiety to consider a non-Tesla. And it's only gotten worse since I bought my first EV (Model Y). Taking road trips and stopping in a small town with 100 Supercharging stalls, and then seeing in comparison a single EA station with only 4 working chargers, I can't imagine feeling safe driving anywhere without the Supercharger network.
A number of other vehicles are getting access and adapters to the supercharger network. Ford Mach-e drivers will get adapters for free (we just got the vehicle, and should get an adapter for free soon).
Most of the comments don't understand how rough Model Y's were in 2020....
So glad a waited a while to buy one. I got the a 2023 LR and it did have some build quality issues which got resolved in 4 warrantee service visits. That initially soured me a bit on the car but it’s been great since.
I bought a 2024 Tesla model y and ride was too stiff. I did install an aftermarket luxury suspension kit by Unplugged performance- new spings, dampers and it defiently helps with the ride.
Was it the performance version or the regular one?
I’ve got a Y on order and wanted relief from my sports cars suspension.
How bad is it?
I have the long range model so it the suspension for the regular one. They also sell separate sports suspensions as well
Huh, thought they changed that last year.
@@alexwelch1520 I just tookk the Model Y AWD LR and the ride seemed perfectly smooth. What car are you coming from? It may be because my currrent car has coilovers and is super bumpy if the road isn't smooth. If you're coming from a luxury car that might be why.
The rims make a big difference. If you had the optional larger rims, that may be the issue. I have a 23’ LR with standard rims and to me the ride is excellent.
Would love to see an Ioniq 5 N next on the list!
Thank you for this long term BEV review! The Mach-E has a recall on its battery pack contactors fusing closed. On a traditional golf cart BEV the physical contactors taking the form of relays are an emergency disconnect in series with FET technology transistors that can fail fully on causing the vehicle to go full throttle with no shutoff. A lot of Mach-E owners have complained of software driven aspects of the car becoming troublesome after six months. Touch screen malfunctions . . .
What has happened to kill new Mach-E sales is the Tesla model Y has come down in price so much that for a little more sacrifice a month than a Mach-E people can have Tesla Model Y that does everything better with a long prospect of some retained value. They are both compact crossover SUVs with the Model Y being signifiantly better handling. The rough ride of the Model Y has an aftermarket retrofit from suspension performance firm. The retrofit has much better ride with better handling and less body roll. The trade off is likely less payload weight capacity. An SUV is a bit of a truck. The Mach-E with every upgrade kit and a super low used car price with a known DIY service ability might make for a reliable 3rd car.
BEVs don't make for universal primary-use used cars because those buyers likely don't have at home charging, living in apartments and houses with on street parking. Even as a 3rd car a BEV has a charging issue because it is likely parking at the curb rather the prized spots in the garage or driveway where the homeowner can have charging hookups. That makes BEVs have much more of a fall in value than an ICE car when trying to be resold as a primary-use used car. Another issue is current BEVs have poor cold weather battery chemistry that benefits greatly from being stored in a garage typical of upper level luxury cars.
Teslas appear to have an industrial life span in that they will never likely fall or rust apart with the ability to be fixed with difficulty and expense. That being said the main Tesla models are compacts models Y and 3 without the refined driving characteristics of a BMW i5 or or the roomy interior for four large adults with high comfort, fantastic ride and good drive of the Ford Lighting long range pickup. BEVs are not good economical buys at this point of early adoption. For the car enthusiast the Tesla Model S Plaid track package for a daily driver and occasional track day is very attractive and actually looks like a buy at about $100,000 as high as that is.
At this time CATL has announced its new condensed BEV battery with 500 Wh/kg energy/mass density almost twice the current commercial BEV battery energy/mass density. Stating it should be in production for automotive use by the end of 2024. Its primary target market is aviation propulsion which would allow a price per kWh of storage many times what is commercially viable for the automotive market.
Good video. No question that the Model Y has improved dramatically suspension wise since the version you had, and I think if you had a 2023 or 2024, you wouldn’t have had the same conclusion. Also agree that it’s unfortunate you don’t have any of the Hyundai Motor Group vehicles in your fleet. How about getting an Ioniq 5 N added to the fleet? Still, you’ve clearly invested a ton of money in this EV fleet as it is, and that in itself is very impressive.
They also had the performance version with suffer suspension and bigger rims. I bought a 23’ MY long range with the standard rims and the ride is excellent. As much as I like the look of the larger rims, it isn’t worth the ride and the tire cost for me.
Rivian R1S is an astounding vehicle. It is literally an American Land Rover and can match a MacLaren 0-60. The new MK2 version is reportedly even better. Do I regret buying the Gen 1? No. I plan to have this car 20 years and/or 250k miles.
But will they be around in 15-20 yrs?
Rivian is the winner
Would anyone buy a Rivian if it was priced what it cost to make?
Ok, their losses are a mere $32,595 per vehicle.
Lucid at $277k loss per vehicle... Great car, not commercially viable.
Look at sales. Tesla will grow.
@@External2737 It took Tesla nearly a decade to start making any type of profit. Rivian will follow similar footsteps. Tho they definitely caught some large cooperation on their delivery fleet vehicles. Wasn't Tesla's case in the beginning. Wouldn't rule out Rivian until what happens with compact SUV "R2". If they sell really well, Rivian will no doubt make it.
I own a 2023 Model Y LR and it's FANTASTIC. Best car I have ever owned.
A missed opportunity to not have had one of the quality players from Hyundai/KIA. We’ve had a KIA Niro for three years. Comfortable to drive, quality finish in and out…Perfect fit for city dwellers, 1200 mile road trip, NO issues, other than replaced windshield wipers at no charge. We equipped with 3 Peak Mtn Snows.go everywhere. 230 miles Winter. 270-310 miles April-Oct.
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Sounds great. What year Niro?
@@phenex551 2020 premium.
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Great recap! Fun and informative. Mach-E needs a Gangnam Style trim level.
I see lots of articles with the title “Living with electric cars”. The immediate impression is that it’s like “Living with cancer”. As if having an electric car is a disease which you just have to deal with. I have a 12 year old electric car that has 117K miles in it, and it has never failed to move when I press the ‘go’ pedal. I never go to a gas station or have to negotiate with a mechanic to decide on what of the many problems I have the time and money to address. It has never had the drive train or brakes worked on. I don’t have to do a smog check or deal with a check engine light. How about an article on “Living with a gas car”?
The “brake error” on startup is just the standard “bulb test” that’s ironically required still on a digital dash. Surely an experienced auto review outfit like you would realise that?
@11:38 It literally says Brake Malfunction, Service Required. That isn't normal.
@@Waors Yes it is!!! They edited it to just show the 1 second that 'bulb' is lit up. It disappears (along with all the other warnings) just after they cut back to the interview.
So if you give Edmunds a car for a year, they ll give it a Top Pick score even if its the least efficient in its class? Good to know..
And they mentioned they haven't all driven it properly. I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed. Jk, but LMK if I misunderstood how that worked.
1:50 - dang, i heard some complaints from others about the suspension/ride quality, but never heard it declared so emphatically (and i believe them). i suspect those 21" Uber Turbines aren't doing it any favors either.
Yea, the basic wheels at 19” are already really big. I always got for taller sidewalls on my cars for smoother ride and cheaper tires and I’m glad I did with the model Y as the ride is on the stiffer side already.
Well............. Since Chevrolet has fixed the glitchy software in the Blazer EV - Have you considered on trading in you current Blazer? Or has your current Blazer's software been full updated? If it has been fixed, It would speak volumes to your journalist integrity to have a full review update.
Agreed. If theirs is truly a problem car, they should at least see if GM will swap it for another with fresh software to re-test.
Just look online. Tons of people have had issues with them. Gm software has been horrid with all their newer ev models
Amazing insight, keep on the reviews and testing!
Now that a used fisker can be had for under 20k, is it worth getting one?
19 inch rim performs less. 20 is the perfect spot for the Lucid. Also 24' Lucid Air cost less and has better interior quality.
I watching this video, went and got a blazer EV RS lease 😂
You trashed the car that no longer has any issues to a point where I was able to get a 3 year lease with $0 down and $250/m in WA state. Love it 😂
I5 m60 i drove it back to back with a Lucid Air Touring. I dont like how the drivetrain is programmed. It shakes with sudden acceleration. It has a drive shaft bump. Its floaty for a sports sedan. And the space is mediocre. No frunk. But I have to give the I drive 8 as the best infotainment. Lucid air Touring is cheaper and rides way better than the I5.
Love my 2023 Model Y. We just did a 600 mile trip.
What? No way! That’s freaking AMAZING!
Because I’ve been doing 600 mile trips in my ICE car for decades. 🙄
6:46 agreed. the Lighting could be appealing as the value option in the segment, but with near identically priced version being much better in a lot of ways, I would get the Silverado over this for sure.
345 miles for the lightning is insane. This thing is bigger, stronger, and faster than my tacoma and has more range somehow. Instant win
I have a 2025 Tesla model Y (not the refreshed Juniper) and the ride is still terrible and the seats are very uncomfortable. The upside is it is a lot of technology for not a lot of money.
You missed the boat. PHEVs are better than any BEV. Better range, more convenient and practical, less expensive, pay for themselves more quickly, charge quickly without battery degradation, and, most importantly, the fastest way to decarbonize without stressing the power grid. Not everyone can get a BEVs; if you can get an ICE car, you can probably get a PHEV. You can get a full charge overnight (while you sleep) on discounted electricity at level 1. No searching for a working, compatible, inexpensive, and available charging station.
Mine gets over 80 MPG highway in hybrid mode.
We love our Y so much my wife sold her car and got one too
I’ve considered doing the same as I really like my Model Y LR but I think we are going to get a new Model 3 as the 2nd car. If the tax break comes in for the base version, I will buy it immediately. Still waiting. It’s available for the LR now.
@@mylesgray3470 I'm sure it won't be long before they make it be part of the tax break
We also have two model Ys. A performance and a lrawd. I'm a gearhead and owned p cars and m cars but as a daily driver it's pretty much impossible to beat a model y lrawd for the price
Sixth month mache owner, same spec. Couldn’t agree more, it’s boring but unbelievably reliable. No issues with reliability or drive experience
Own a 2019 Tesla model 3 rear wheel drive and it’s been absolutely amazing….this is our run around car. Porsche 911 when I need rear ICE car.
Who has heard the Chevy blazer production was stop because of software issues. BUT FISKER!
Surprised the Cadillac Lyriq wasn’t a long term purchase. It’s an awesome value for an electric vehicle
They already had the Blazer EV which is based on the same platform, so maybe that was their thought process?
@@JacobFramework and the blazer is still a good bit more than the model y with similar features
@@Shiftheads the Equinox EV would but a much closer comparison, yes, and be cheaper for (almost) the same range (319 vs 320 iirc)
@@JacobFramework it's not though. An all-wheel drive Equinox is almost 50,000. The model Y is 8000 cheaper before you even factor in tax credits
Owner of a 2021 Tesla Model Y and I agree about the ride quality. Let’s just say that I own a 2001 BMW Z3 that I have set up to be used on a track and that thing rides better over bumps, no lie. The Model Y’s suspension tuning is absolutely head scratching bad. Like what the actual f**k Tesla. That thing needs to be 40-50% SOFTER easily. Big fail and if I wasn’t so close to paying it off, I’d trade it in for literally anything else. Even if it’s just a newer Model Y
The Blazer EV looks like a Bolt EUV, but wider and longer; then has a _gigantic_ pointless console to waste all the extra space. And of course its literally twice the price. But it does charge 3x as fast. Which is still slow by today's standards, why didnt they make it competitive? And who needs a motor (that can break) to s-l-o-w-l-y open the charge door instead of just popping it open in 1/2 second with your hand?
Good review impressions. Costs vary widely depending on the model. I have a F150 Lightning XLT with the 312a package and it has all of the good features, cost me $67k less the tax credit about $60k. Now it is maybe $5k less. So at that price, it is lots less than a Rivian. Both have pros and cons, my point is the Lariat is pretty high priced. A well featured XLT is plenty worth it. But it is a full sized truck to drive around. Good for minor towing. Plenty of power and fun to drive for the cost. I don't want to spend $80k on a vehicle. Around City traffic, a smaller Rivian would be easier to park and drive. Spending over $100k on any vehicle is very selective. I am happier at $60k.
Where's the IX on this list? I thought you had one in your fleet.
I'm confused, I thought GM updated the software for the Blazer EV that corrected all the early issues and it shouldn't be a problem any longer?
Yes they did, but modern car construction is the problem now!
My first impression when I got a Tesla Uber was “wow that speed IS instant…this rides worse than my ‘06 Civic!”
Also, hi Clint :)
I've encountered several Lucid Air owners and they all love the car. Confirmation bias? Most likely.
They bought a car priced 160% of a Tesla, they damn well BETTER love it.
The reasons you both negated the f150 seems weak....a high price when the R1t is the same price and a subjective not liking the looks...pretty lame
The looks thing does have some merit, as Ford did not design a unique body for this truck so it doesn’t really stand out from the crowd. From the side it looks like any other F150. Assuming they worked out the bugs, it looks like an excellent EV for those that need a real work truck.
Highland 3 build quality looks top notch perfect.
Every EV available in USA now is good for the right price, even BZ4X and that Mazda thing. They lower the price on Blazer and gave you a rebate that wasn't even agreed to, that's worth a lot of points
You and your team should come to Europe and test cars you don't get in the US.
Like Cupra Born, Škoda Enyaq, Peugeot e208, MG4, ...
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Model y performance suspension is bad but man the lrawd is incredible for the price and really rides way quieter and smoother than previous years. I have a 22 model y performance and a 24 model y lrawd and it's night and day in ride quality. It's not the wheel and tires but the coilovers so you can fix it if you're willing to swap coilovers
I found the relative performance of the Mach-E and the Blazer EV interesting. I'm planning to replace my current car with an EV a few years down the road and while I like the Equinox EV for its buttons and other thing, the behavior of your Blazer EV gives me pause. Your tale of woe gave me flashbacks to my 76 VW Rabbit back in 81 and I suspect that it may have given me better service than your Blazer. I may hate Ford for putting the Mustang name on a 4 door station wagon, but I'm definitely giving the Mach E a look when the time comes.
Kia or Hyundai anytime!, eficient, comfy, reliable, 8 y warranty, amazing quality and design. I dare say Koreans overtook Japanese and German cars in "pay for what you get tech".
Actually, 10 years warranty on the battery
I like the background of the setup but it looks like you all are eating the microphones I’m sure there is a way to get good sound without sitting on top of the mic
I appreciate your reviews of BEV's, I also like them but they are not for me. 300 mile range BEV's only make 200 miles on the freeway - there are not enough high speed chargers in rural areas due to such limited range. They work great for local driving/commuting, but if you are off the beaten path, you will likely either end up being towed or spending the night at level 2 charging.
Fake news! You ABSOLUTELY DID NOT buy a Rivian R1T quad-motor Launch Edition for LESS than the cost of a Ford F-150 Lightning Lariat (not unless you got some sort of fantastic discount on your Rivian that wasn’t made available to anyone else). Remember … Rivian RAISED THE PRICE … even on pre-orders … and then back-pedaled due to all the flack they got for it (they still raised the price … but they eventually honored the price for those who had a pre-order in before the price increase).
These are two trucks I watched CLOSELY. I _really_ liked the Rivian IF you could set aside the price tag. But the price tag WAS the problem. It was not available as a dual-motor initially … only quad-motors for the Launch Edition (or … at any edition at time of launch). The problem was that its base price for ANY Rivian with a quad-motor was near the top of what you could pay for a fully-spec’s F-150 lightning. Meanwhile… the F-150 Lightning started at around $40k and I think the Platinum edition was just a little over $90k. The least you could pay for a Rivian R1T (base model) started at around $80k.
So if you’re thinking your Lightning Lariat cost more than a Rivian R1T Launch Edition … then your memory isn’t working.
I'm just getting this video for some reason but I don't know what price the f-150 you mentioned was. We got our 2022 r1t quad with off road pkg and powered tonneau for $78,500 @ pre-order price. I believe I remember them getting the pre order price as well.
This sounds like a review made in January or February, not 5 days ago.
Need recap to see how much money they have lost in one year. Test drove an Audi etron GT and was told not to buy it but lease it since it loses half its value in 2 years. A for being an honest dealer
Love my Blazer EV! The only problem is that it came with a bad tail light and like most modern cars it basically needs the entire rear body removed to replace it! And my dealer has no parking space so I cant drop the car off a day before and I had an emergency surgery the same time as the car appt so I am now trying to get the “free” repair done! Fortunately the car runs even though it keeps throwing glitches that have been strange to deal with, like using WAZE to find my speed when the instrument cluster died! I hear mechanics on UA-cam raving about car building being modular to help building but hurt repairmen but this is the 1st time I have personally been affected by it!
Which of our long-term EVs are you most interested in buying? Let us know in the comments!
Fisker Ocean but at an even lower low price. 😉
@@Jaxav8orit will be a junkyard car if something goes wrong.
New model 3, hands down.
Lucid you bums
Ionic and kia
And the iX?
The new model 3 range is not less. The EPA changed how it calculates mileage. I believe you comparing two different metrics.
They based themselves off of their own range testing.
@@sarcasticundertones3513 oh crazy, thank you for the info. What private testing I've looked into showed a notable increase, that is interesting. Somebody's lying or not following a scientific method. Looks like I'll have to do a little more research.
There's a Fisker Ocean near me for under $28 grand. I think if it worked most of the time it'd be perfect for my mom. Good range, same size as her Sorento, fun but not scary fast and handling.
Just don't know if it'd last without issues for long.
It's not like either of her Kias were without issues, she's never had a bug free car, I think she's cursed; BUT she could take those Kias and Neons and other to any mechanic to get them at least running if not fixed.
Buying the Fisker since the company is bankrupt? That’s gutsy.
Love the ents! Some of the EV comments are great, but some need more details. Also, polling staff if they would have Edmunds buy the car again isn't that helpful to us buyers who will be buying evs with our own money rather than someone else's. (^:
I own a ford Mach e and a Tesla y and I did have to change the shocks to teins to get that comfortable ride. Cost me 600 bucks and have it set to ten clicks in the front and 12 in the rear. Rides like a dream now
Surprised you didn’t mention the mustang Mach e ride which is, imo, as bad or worse than the Tesla Y with the factory shocks. I feel like I’m really screwed with the ford because there isn’t a “budget solution” to fix the ride like there is with the Tesla.
Stop it, the Mach is just fine. We have 2
@@19coyote5oh9 what do you mean by fine? Do you live in a part of the country where the road is as smooth as a pool table? The suspension is underdamped and is extremely bouncy, especially if the timing of the bumps is such that you induce an oscillating motion. The rear is much worse than the front
The only solution I’m aware of is KWs coilovers but they are pricy at more than 3 grand. There isn’t much else that can be done at a reasonable price
@joetz1 I live in Montreal, probably one of the worse city's in North America for road quality! We go through -30 to +30 every year, so our roads are extra amazing......
So stop with the under dampped/over damped crap. There is nothing wrong with the suspension setup. If you wanted even better damping, you should have got the magna ride option princess.
@@19coyote5oh9 you are the first owner I have ever met who thinks there is nothing wrong with the suspension. The Mach e has the worst suspension tuning of any modern car I have ever driven. I am curious about what else you have driven if you think the damping is acceptable
@joetz1 First of all, we "haven't met."
And second of all, if it is, in fact, the "worse suspension tuned car you ever driven," then why in the hell did you buy it? I call bs on any of your claims.
Ridiculous video. Tesla and Ford loving bunch there. Very unfair to Lucid and GM. Why not include a 2024 Lucid air pure for $70k in that mix? You included 3 teslas even a 2024 version. How about the Silverado EV which is leaps and bounds above the Ford truck? Your bias is a good reason to ignore Edmunds reviews.
1:42 she is an old girl and the build quality wasn't that well done as it is today ?
Disappointed with the limited coverage of electric vehicles. Of the 10 best selling EV vehicles in Canada you only touched on 3. With the exception of the Tesla you missed all the best sellers, such as the Kia, Hyundai, Toyota, VW and Audi.
For future testing why not check the top seller EV list and purchase those models.
Not that it is worth anything when comparing vehicles other than I know two people that bought the Ford Lightening and both have got rid of them with nothing but complaints. One has a Rivian and so far very happy with the vehicle. Other waiting for the Chev electric pickup.
How can you say 40k is the end of its life? Should be more specific. That’s not even half the warranty… these guys are Tesla haters
Would have liked to see Kia's EV6 on here considering the positive reviews
Yall should just open up a rental with all these cars so people can step by and learn what early evs were about
How does one acquire the job to test drive EVs? I volunteer!
8:15 - just saw a couple 2 hours ago at my local EVGO station with a new Blazer EV (still had temp tags) they seem to be happy with it so it didn't even cross my mind to ask of they had experienced any problems yet (i just assumed everything had been sorted with the infamous Edmunds Car). with everybody out enjoying the first day of Summer the station was completely full once i pulled in: so it was the aforementioned Blazer, an BMW I5 E40, two Chevy Bolts, one Bolt EUV, an Audi E-tron SUV, and a Nissan Ariya. then 20 minutes in a Kia EV6, a Platinum F150 Lightning, and a Toyota BZ4X joined the party.
Like the "early build" Lucid Air, the Blazer is an early build. They have updates (over the air I believe) that fixed many issues. I'm not saying it is a great SUV. I like the styling and it has potential. I would NEVER buy a first year out auto. GM really needs to do better.
Model Y. Why? Yuk yuk. In all fairness the Performance model has a stiffer system, but the fun factor is solid.
Could you guys get the 24 ID4? Curious on that one
I have a Lightning Lariat ER and absolutely love it. There’s room for improvement, but I’d buy another no question.
Rivian is just amazing.
Sucks that you don't like Blazer. I think it's the best looking vehicle on your list.
Does a Tesla have a gear selector?????
Yes, it’s just a button, not a stalk.
The 21st century is so confusing! $700,000 seems like a lot of money, but it might only buy you a small fixer-upper house near a freight train route and under a flight path here in California.
Thank you! I was going to buy a Tesla Model Y in 2023 but found the ride too stiff and the steering feel too heavy (even when set to comfort).
You can say a lot about Tesla's but steering feel is certainly not too heavy in comfort. My 7 months old baby has no problem turning the wheel. On top if that, Tesla's have the most direct steering feel. Superb steering is one of the best perks of Tesla's in general.
@@Maarten_vd The Tesla Model Y is an amazing car. I think it's the coolest car I've ever driven. But , I needed a less sporty steering and riding vehicle.
Where is Cadillac Lyriq? The one EV that is out selling everyone other than Tesla!
What lol, they barely sell...
@@sprockketsBest selling luxury EV crossover in the 1st quarter is the Cadillac Lyric
@@rlhmarines Well if we set those as the goal posts, ok, sure.
@@sprockkets Well it’s a luxury crossover and it’s an EV plus it’s for sale…
It's a dressed up blazer and has the same issues and costs way more than anything that does the same thing as it
Weird hearing a comparison between the R1T and lightning being looks (subjective) and price (misleading). Market value of the launch edition was well over 100k when those were out. Rivian even tried to raise the price at the start. And looks? The rivian look is polarizing as well. I like how both look. You say the good thing about the lightning is that it is just a truck but then looks boring. The bmw looks boring as do the Teslas. Prices for the Rivian now are comparable or higher than a lightning. 80s for a dual motor large pack.
I prefer buttons and knobs, and I think the screen should be for navigation only. I don't hear reviews on the voice commands for navigation, I think there needs to be improvement on voice recognition. I've driven several cars with this ability and all have been lacking, and more pain than its worth. Also, too many cars come out with all black interiors, which is awful. Where is the beige, tan, shades of grey, blue, and white.
Missing Polestar2!
40k is and of life?
Weirdest statement. Like they’re going to scrap it or something
How many people in your staff?
Thank you 🎉
Hyundai 5 horn requires way too much pressure. can make can that charges fast with crummy horn - WTF
That model 3 interior looks even more sparse now. I dunno why some people actually like this. It looks like it's just missing stuff
Minimalism is for the win.
My wife’s RX350 looks like cluttered mess that was cool at some point to have all those buttons and dials. It seems dated to me now after owning a Model S for 3 years. Just my perspective.
@@Tommy2tone762 But your Model S at least has a speedometer (and other things) display in front of the driver. For the majority of older people that wear glasses, having a display out of our straight-ahead vision is a bad thing.
Tesla's reasoning for not using anything but a display screen (giant cellphone): you can do everything you need to here, and "pretty soon" our cars will offer FSD and you won't need to look a display.
The real reason: a big touchscreen display is much cheaper than knobs, switches, and displays. Especially if you have to buy them from someone else.
40k is the end of life? Or end of life for testing? I hope the Tesla lasts a bit longer.
I wish there was a Volvo on this list.
40k miles and it's at the end of its life?? What??
Cheers guys
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