Bent Skirts on pellets, how is accuracy effected?
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Myth: The power of an airgun will force open the skirt of the pellet, thus accuracy will not be effected. Myth or Fact? Lets take a closer look!
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Thanks for the demo, I shoot 12ftlbs in .177.
I have always binned pellets with damaged skirts, I will now use them for plinking
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I did something similar with Falcon accuracy. 22 13.4g they have a very thin skirt and I used ballistics gel to catch the pellets at 30m my sub12 foot pound uk legal airarms is a laser with these particular pellet and the grouped a half inch at 30m with the bent skirts the same as it did with the straight skirts upon inspection of the pellets I retrieve from the gel block the skirts were perfectly rounded so it leads me to believe due to the skirt of the pellets being thinner than the pellets you were testing the air blast upon pulling the trigger does indeed balloon the skirts to fit the rifling of the barrel. I can only speak for my rifle and the Falcon accuracy. 22 I used to test with but my results at 30m were virtually identical with both bent and straight skirts.
Hello. Before I watch the whole session I will say.... bended skirts do not effect accuracy . Oh almost forgot to say I love this channel !!!!!!! Thumb up as always !!!!
i shot with a diana 5 2 .22 original eley wasp (not dieseling),in a bath tub,to recover the pellets ,they where a slug model then not the diablo shape anymore.the hot airpuls of a full power d52 ,had blown them complete up , but strange enough accurat enough to hit standing , conserve cans at 50 meters ,a magnum springer at peak pressure can be a very high pressure ,more then any pcp . but its only a little amount compressed air , thats why a long barrel is not needed like a pcp does
Thank you for your experiment!
If you use all bent skirt in a magazine that is okay. BUT IF YOU HAVE random of it in a magazine is the BIG PROBLEM. Because of different speed.
This was a question I always wondered about glad someone finally gave me the answer !
Wonderfull video!
I commented on this a few videos ago saying that bent skirts do not change the POI significantly...and they don't.
I made this test some time ago with the same results, and to do that I bent the pellets myself with my fingers. 😂
I could even argue that the odd flyer you got was a bad pellet all together, but not from the skirt...head, density, whatever.
Not only it's because of what you said about the air pushing the led ''out'', but also when you push the pellet into de barrel, the ''outbend'' is forced in, and takes care of that. The shot itself takes care of the ''inbend''.
I wonder how you get so many ideas for videos...😲
Thank you very much. 👍
Nice avatar 🐍
Now I´m a tiny little bit smarter and not!! Because I expected that at longer distances will be a difference between the good and the bad . At my 40 yd back garden range is this not relevant ! Oh..can you try this with hard lead pellets and softer ones ? JSB´s are soft lead, H&N harder and Crosman´s have very hard lead. Maybe you did the test with one of each ?
You shot the second-to-last target six times that's where your fifth shot went watch your video again.thanks for sharing 🍸
Nice video Gert. I agree with a previous comment that the pellets with the thin skirts might bent back to normal more perfect and quiker before some goes past the pellet.
Interesting. The speed of the bent pellets at 30 m seemed to be a little slower but not at 60 m. I agree with your conclusions. Greetings from Australia.
the softer lead like JSB , a damaged skirt will blow back out after a blast of air
Interesting video!! What about lower powers below 12fpe? It might be totally different.
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A great video to show us all plainly how it really is. Thanks for taking the time and effort to do this. Thanks for you other vids too.
Very interesting Gert. Might have to give this a try myself. Thanks for posting.
Very good video! Stupid question: what your intro music? Thanks!
Music: Back to the future by ofshane (it is UA-cam Royalty Free)
Great vid as always. I can concur with the results only the really bent may cause a flyer but its the may that rules them out for pests. I do think though you would find a different result if you did the same test with a sub12 gun as the pressures really dont "iron" them out. I would also be interested if you have the time to compare pin probe vs normal fx probe and bent skirts mainly for the shiggles but i also suspect that the airflow distribution from the pin probe might expand them more evenly
Good video I think a bent skirt straightens out when probed into breach. I won't be perfect but not as bad as it is out the tin then the air pressure can help some more. Has to be jsb 🤦 and greetings from the 🇬🇧
Enjoying your videos. Here’s a question for you. If you have a 40g .22 slug and a 40g .25 slug what’s the shooting difference? Which is best? Thanks.
Different BC's and length of barrel and going to be the determining factors. The .22 in 34gr has a great BC, don't know if the 40gr has the same or better. Both have a better BC than the .25's
What I want to know is would putting one in the breech of a springer result in a dry fire due to their being space in the breech that isn’t filled possibly causing damage to the piston
Nice video Gert. The question is what does it do on sub 12 foot pound?
That is the question I will have to answer next, my FX regulator is at 90 bar, the same pressure as my HW100, from that perspective it should be the same but the .177 has a smaller surface are, thus the bent skirt wont expand so readily... but again the lead is thinner than the .22.... so confusing, will have to do video about it for sure.
Before some air goes past the pellet inside the barrel
My favourite pellet maker has relatively thin skirts, I think a thin skirt is more likely to straightened on firing and this could be by design. If I found an obviously damaged pellet when I was loading the magazine I would normally discard it, after seeing your results perhaps I'm being to harsh.
Is it worth building a tool to hold the pellets, and then press the skirts back into shape? Could be built with simple tools out of plastic.
@@AimSmall I bet those people are also sorting pellets by weight too.
@@minigpracing3068 Definitely.
Excellent stuff 👌🏻 thank you!
Thanks!👍🏼
Have you the plan to do this experiment again at sub 12 fpe ??? would be interesting !!!!!!!!
Indeed I do want to try it.
What about slugs with slightly bent tips? Sometimes the hollow points on slugs cave in a bit. Especially the really light ones. I haven't been able at any speeds with two 22 guns to get little 18gr slugs to work. But they're so thin on the tip that a lot of them seem slightly damaged. Makes me wonder.
Interesting question, I tested slugs where the flatbase isn't 100% straight - aweful groupings, don't go there. SLightly bent tips shouldn't have such a big influence unless it upsets the balance of the slug.
Which is the best of air refle pellets sir
This is going to sound stupid but there is no best, I prefer to shoot decent pellets that are readily available and doesn't cost an arm and a leg. I have 3 brands I like that are consistent: JSB, AA (comes out of JSB factory) and H&N.
I'd be interested to know what it would be like at UK power levels sub 12FTLBS and if it still the same sort of results I had a couple of tins of Air arms field and it was about 50/50 on how many had bent skirts
Lovely Video... 😊😘
Bought 1800 pellets in cal 22... at least 25% had damaged skirts
Make? That is just pathetic, we pay hard earned money for these pellets to be in great condition
Straton Jumbo Monster 22
But now i bought the same ammo, 15 cans=3000 pellets from another Company and believe it or not... They are all perfect !!
That's funny, cos I bought a can of .22 about 2 years ago, all of which were bent, probably from the same company.
Where did the quality factor go
Mass production will always have an issue, especially after the shortages of pellets post Covid, they had to churn out massive amounts to get the back orders out.
You bought jsb's from Amazon didn't you
man whats the deal with that ? i got a tin off amazon .25 cal jsb hades and yes a bunch are bent
So the skirt flaring is a definite myth.
85% busted. at 30m there was no difference. Might be more punctuated with lower power guns
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Omg i started tossing them ☹️