EMG timbral test J J-X JA JA-X
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Timbral comparative test between EMG J, J-X, JA and JA-X bass pickups sets on the same bass and under identical conditions. Player: Ney Conceição.
Teste timbral comparativo entre sets de captadores de baixo EMG J, J-X, JA and JA-X no mesmo baixo e sob condições idênticas. Baixista: Ney Conceição.
Just adding a note here to help myself jump between sections lol
J 0:39
Jx 1:04
Ja 1:27
Jax 1:48
I have the J set with a BTS circuit in one bass and I was going to set another bass up with EMGs as well. This comparison confirms it for me, the "Original Js are still it.
And ...Ney you are a great bassist and a big inspiration to me.
If you'll use an EMG set with preamp I believe the J is far the best option. If you have a Jazz Bass style bass and wnat an EMG set to be used without preamp you can choose among the 6 available EMG set, but the J will still work well too. I have 3 JB syle basses: 1 with J set + BTC control, 1 with J-X and one with JV-X.
wow, what a fantastic service this is! You'd think EMG would have something like this on their website! Thank you! :)
Why don't EMG do this comparison themselves? Bobby Vega's great, but something other than those mutual self-congratulation sessions (like this video!) would be really helpful.
Thanks for posting this.
I believe they should do this too. Maybe a simpler comparision. I'm preparing other test, simpler than this, using JV and JV-X too.
+Tinderwet , I've thought about JCS, but for the single coil it's too much similar to the J. For humbuckers the ceramic & steel and ceramic pickups difference is justified, but not for the singles. JCS even has its X version. I'll think about this, though. If I get one JCS on tima I'll include it on the next test.
+Tinderwet , Bobby is real! He is my friend! :D Well, the important thing is you can hear both pickups at the same time under the same conditions. That will give you referential enought for a good comparision. Regards!
Why does it matter who does the comparison 🤔? If the individual that's doing the comparison is a competent player and his presentation demonstrates the full potential of the product, what's the problem? This man did an excellent demo, took us though a number of playing techniques, styles and tone options, what more is there?
Thanks for doing this comparison. My favorite was the JX. I think it had the most growl (over the entire frequency spectrum but especially in the low mid range) particularly when you played notes down low on the E string. It's a little reminiscent of a Stingray growl on higher notes. The J model has a little bit of a "honk" in the mid range that I find harsh but is a great choice. The JAX was the brightest overall, but I think it sounded somewhat "brittle" in the highs. The JA is my second favorite, but in some ways a little bland compared to the other 3. I initially thought the JA would be my favorite but after listening to this comparison my vote is for JX.
I Put a set on JA-X on an old Squire body that the truss rod striped on. I also replaced the neck with a Fender neck and I now have a Frankenstein bass from hell. It sounds AWESOME. It has become my new fav to play..
If you like the simple JB style and sound with no noise and no headstock logo concerning, you are set! The bass used is a Frankenstein too.
Verry good...... I luvit
I’d say, overall I like the J and the JAX.
Excellent video, and greatly playing!
Thank you!
same here
I already knew the X Series had more headroom, but holy crap, that's a LOT more headroom than I was expecting.
@GetnFunky the bass had any preamp, only the pickups, and the recording was made using one flat channel from a Mackie console. The bass was plugged directly to the channel and recorded using the Sound Forge through a M-Audio sound card. Any edition was made after.
Thank you for doing this - you're a hero!
Maybe I'm missing it but to me the J & the JA-X sound pretty similar
TravisMoore, the difference isn’t huge. Is subtle. You can feel it looking for it or paying attention, but isn’t a difference that would avoid you to reach your own sound. Sorry for one year late response. 🤦🏻♂️
@@ThePedrowood No worries, thanks for the response. I went with the standard J in the end as that's what I have on one of my other basses. I've paired them with a John East pre-amp and they are great :)
@Dvertful it is a "Frankenstein" bass made with generic parts (alder body and maple neck). The block inlays are plastic. By trhe way, I have a 70's Jazz Bass and the sound is quite similar with same pickups.
I have to agree, in this test the J is the sweetest and most musical
I come here to listen to these badass grooves man
Be my guest!
Thanks for this. I was liking the JX set before but now that I hear the JA I like those better… crazy that they don't even have a sound sample on the website but, thanks to you for the work you've put in!
Esse é o nosso querido Ney Conceiçao. Baixista do Joao Bosco e atualmente ele toca na banda da Elba Ramalho! Um dos maiores baixistas do Brasil! Conheço esse groove aí de longe hehehehehe, gostei do JX o melhor na minha opiniao!
O próprio! 😎
@intehbut , I'll need to play more with J-X to give you a reliable answer but I've liked all other 3 options but J for Jazz Basses. For a bass working with preamp my choice remains J. I'll test them longer on two Jazz Basses I'm building.
Thank you for this! This is helping me choose pickups for my fretless!
I don't how this was recorded, but the JX seems to clip less when he plays harder.
edit: I now see that it says at the end of the video that he recorded directly to a console with a flat channel. He probably just had the gain set too high for the other three pickups.
@GetnFunky I really don't remember, but I believe on this bass I didin't make anything more than install the pickups. This body was a standard Korean or Chinese Alder body. Depending on the body pattern if you don't have enough space for all you can always drill a little more to fit the battery. This body has no finish painting and might be had its cavity drilled before.
Creio que o JA-X está bombando, Jorge. Ainda pretendo fazer mais testes usando também o JV e o JV-X.
All active pickups have internal preamps powered by 9V battery, because of this they are called active. That's the difference between passive and active pickups. The preamp increases and edit the pickup signal. J and JA have the traditional preamp and J-X and JA-X have the new X preamp. I was talking about Bass internal preamp. The As are the Alnico versions, magnet used at traditional JBs. Following what you seek y would recommend a J-set + BTC System. My bass has exactly this configuration.
@ThePedrowood Nice, did you have enough space for the pots in the control cavity with the 9v battery under it. or did you have to remove the washers under the pots in order to make it fit?
@acidlip, I've liked all, but for a JB style bass without any onboard preamp I believe I'd choose the JA-X (I will try them more, I confess), but for basses with onboard preamp I choose always the J.
Hola Pedro, very nice playing and thanks a lot for providing us this comparison. I am a little confused when you are talking about with or without preamp. You mean with is with the EMG BTC Control? Thanks and keep up the amazing playing....
Slap (Bridge)
J 2:16
Jx 2:36
Ja 3:00
Jax 3:27
Slap (Bridge/Neck)
J 0:40
Jx 1:05
Ja 1:29
Jax 1:49
Pizzicato (Bridge)
J 7:05
Jx 7:25
Ja 7:44
Jax 8:05
Pizzicato (Neck)
J 8:25
Jx 8:52
Ja 9:18
Jax 9:44
joelb79, probably D'Addario XL .040. It might have been Ernie Ball, but D'Addario is what I regularly use. I can assure you it was a .040 nickel strings set.
Hi Peter, thank you very much for your excellent work, I'am bassplayer of Argentina... I have few doubts on installing the set J + BTC system. Could I install the BTC system and maintain a separate volume knob for each pickup? ....Thank you very much...
The audio is hidef and was recorded separately and sinchronized later to the video. The problem might be your device, not your years. In fact the timbral differences are sutil. The Alnico versions (JA and JA-X) have more mid-range but the J-X is very interesting too. If you will use pickups with internal preamp on your bass I'd suggest J or J-X. I like J-set with preamps, but I believe the J-X would fit OK too. I believe if you put J or J-X with an EMG preamp too you will be more satisfied.
Thanks for your answer. Well, my bass is ALL passive. I didn't know that J-JX have the preamp and JA-JAX don't. I think i'll choose the JX ;)
Thanks a loto for your advice buddy!
@acidlip I have the separate audio tracks and intend to put this on a website dedicated only to this kind of comparisions. That was the experimental first. The next wil have J-CS, JV and JV-X too.
very useful, same strings I use.
For JB you mean Jazz Bass? I seek a more metallic/mid-range/bright sound. I read in the EMG site that the JX have a preamp:
"Featuring ceramic magnets and powered by a newly designed preamp, The JX pickup has characteristic jazz bass tone".
Why do you think that without an internal preamp the JA and JA-X are better than J and JX?
seems to me like J was the loudest, and the JX was the warmest or smoothest. im lost on which to choose for my peavey grind bass. i like the natural passive tine but i need it to be bright as well....
ja-x is perfect! passive sound, but noiseless.
The sound you believe to be the "natural passive" is the Alnico sound. J-X, JA and JA-X sound like this, with some tonal differences between them. I will try them more and do another test including JV and JV-X too. The brightest is the J, but brightest is the opposite to "natural passive". You can have one or other, or something in between. Good luck!
Thanks, for that, The Pedrowood, which pickup awsthe best in your opinion ?
@bassface84, these website samples aren't trustable except if compared under identical conditions. Ideal conditions would be identical conditions with YOU playing the bass. Changing pickups with EMG's quick connect is easy. Think about this.
8:25
8:51
9:18
9:44
7:03
7:25
7:43
8:01
Aguarde o próximo, com um baixo mais bem acabado e incluindo os JV e JV-X!
Hi, very interesting video!
But i really had difficulties trying to understand the differences between all the pick-ups :P i've a bad ear i guess.. I'm searching a mid-range tone, but without loss of bass, so i'm inclined to choose the JX set for my warwick corvette standard. What's your advice? What kind of EMG do you recommend?
Thanks!
Olá Pedro! Eu estou em dúvida entre o J e o JV. Vc consegue me explicar mais ou menos a diferença entre eles? Estou ansioso pela comparação entre os 6 modelos. Belo vídeo, a propósito, e entre os apresentados eu fico com J.
Guilherme von Zuben RicettoO J é cerâmico com magneto em barra, com timbre limpo e definido. Ótimo para ser usado com prés. O JV tem magnetos em pólos de alnico V, e tem timbre vintage, com mais médios, super tradicional, mas sem ruídos.
Guilherme von Zuben Ricetto , esse eu ainda não testei. Foi o único até o momento. ua-cam.com/video/NUpGQClxmVQ/v-deo.html
Thanks a lot! very helpful ! It's a 70's Jazz bass isn't it?
J is the best
Hello Hermano! Greetings from Brazil! I've made some times JBs with preamps (yes, I'm a manufacturer) and when my intention is to use the preamp and have JB style vol vol knobs my choice is always J set + BTC Control. I believe you'll be able to install 2 vols with BTC system, but I really don't believe you'll be able to keep it funcionally.
I did my homework and saw your Warwick all passive ash body model, without MEC preamp (lucky you). The pickups from the test had no preamp, only pickups, but my bass has an EMG J-set + EMG BTC System preamp. With preamp I rather use J or J-X, but without internal preamp I'd rather JA or JA-X if my objective is a sound closer to traditional JB (soon I'll make another test adding JV and JV-X). Your bass has 3 pot holes, so if you want to use an EMG BTC System preamp with your J-X you can. Think.
Which on board pre-amp did you use? im going to get the J set as well
Hola pedro, yo tengo duda entre el J, y el JA, aunq estoy por obtener un JA, cual me recomendarias vos? aparte, quiero comprar un circuito activo emg, y vi dos que me gustaron, BQC,, BTS asi q tamb tengo la duda de ello. Gracias.
Adrian Gordillo , yo no ablo espanhol, pero tentarei. J es ceramico y JA es Alnico. Se quieres un timbre más tradicional, com más medios, JA. J es para un timbre mas brilhante y definido. Para usar con circuito EMG el J es mejor. BTS y BQC sao circuitos diferentes. BTS tiene todo espectro de frequencias en 2 bandas, graves y agudos. BQC tiene el espectro en 3 bandas, graves, medios y agudos, con possibilidade de ajuste de la frequencia de medios por un controle parametrico.
pedro. te agradezco compre el JA y el circuito BQC aunque el circuito aun no me llega, pero estoy conforme y contento con las JA me hacen acordar a los fender.
Fala Pedro, beleza? Então, eu estou em duvida entre o JA e o JA-X, tenho um Jazz Bass da Eagle que é passivo, por enquanto estou me virando com um SanSamp que comprei há pouco tempo, só que quero um timbre mais agressivo no som, porque toco na linha Thrash Crossover (Tipo: Ratos de Porão e Municipal Waste), qual dos captadores ficaria melhor pra meu baixo?
Sinceramente, não vi tanta diferença assim entre eles. achei ambos com timbragem bem suave e tradicional. Eu ficaria com o JA por ser mais barato.
Valeu mano!
What strings do you use (or did you use for the test)?
Pedro li um comentario seu amigo me fala com uma coisa eu tenho kit emg 81 85 e to afim de por na minha guitarra. e tal vc ja fez ou ouviu falar no mod 18volts da emg que consiste colocar uma 2 bateria de 9 em serie.. dizem que o timbre do emg soa mais organico e nao fica aquele som meio artificial do emg.... pode me ajuadar com essa duvida tenho medo de fazer e queimar os emgs
Haroldo, não tem nada a ver. Inicialmente EMG não tem som artificial. Isso é lenda de quem confunde o timbre de captador cerâmico, que tem menos médios, com som de ativo. Há vários modelos com timbres distintos, tanto ativos quanto passivos, e o fato de ser ativo ou passivo nada tem a ver diretamente com o timbre. Quanto aos 18V, eles aumentam o headroom, dão um melhor contorneamento de frequências, mas não alteram timbre. Os 18V funcionam bem para prés de baixo. Para captadores 9V são suficientes, mas se você instalar os captadores com 18V não queimará os captadores.
Ducarai Pedrão!!!
Funny, I find the X's more artificial sounding when its supposed to be the other way around. Hmmm! My favorites were the J and then the JA
+murilo ninj , all sounds from all electronoc pickups in the world are artificial. Only acoustics are natural.
Wheres the audio man , ?
Pedro, tranquilo? Quero adquirir o Set J, mas meu uso será passivo, ainda sim recomenda sem o pré? Terei o mesmo timbre que o seu? Abraço!
Ygoos Francisco, não sei se entendi o que você quis dizer com "meu uso será passivo" já que o captador é ativo (só funciona com bateria 9V), a não ser que você tenha querido dizer que o usará sem o pré e com o tone passivo, que tem esse nome por suas características. O timbre do baixo do teste é sem pré, então se seu baixo tiver as mesmas características do do teste (captadores nas mesmas posições e distâncias da ponte e do braço e madeiras com características similares) ele terá sim o mesmo timbre. Se usar um pré EMG no baixo na posição flat também, pois os prés EMG não alteram o timbre dos captadores na posição flat, ao contrário de outros.
Obrigado pela resposta. É que me deparei com uma loja vendendo estes captadores para baixos passivos, sem uso do pré, assim como o mesmo set para ativo, é por isso a minha dúvida. Fiquei receoso em ver os dois casos. Obrigado novamente.
Ygoos Francisco, o captador passivo é o EMG J-HZ. Ele não está nesse teste. É cerâmico como o J, mas não a mesma coisa. Ainda não o comparei com os demais, especialmente o J, mas é um ótimo captador.
Soon I'll add JV and JV-X to another test with 6 models.
Pedro, I've just gone from Js to JV-Xs and I prefer the JV-Xs. Not as smooth, but I prefer the growl...
Alguien recomienda un buen set para hacer activo un jazz bass activo
+ricardo palomo , para uso com pré, EMG J.
JAX
Hola Pedro, quiero instalar un set de pastillas EMG a un Geddy Lee jazz bass, este bajo tiene mucho medios, por lo tanto espero que con un set J pueda lograr más y mejores graves y agudos, ¿qué opinas? ¿cual set de EMG me recomiendas para "modernizar" un poco el sonido del Geddy Lee jazz bass? espero darme e entender en español. ¡Gracias y felicidades por el video!
+Ren Karakulak , para menos medios, EMG J con certeza. Creo que usted va gostar tambien de EMG J + EMF BTC control. Yo tengo un JB que fiz con esse setup. Mucho versatil! Excelentes graves y agudos, y medios quando quiero apenas.
Pedro Wood
Obrigado!
Jx