@@HeyhitmeBAM Are you dumb? The guy won by a landslide and in the heat of the moment wanted and deserved to celebrate. I can tell you are absolutely miserable.
@@HeyhitmeBAM there is a reason you are the only person with that opinion. The part your emotional problems have a problem with isn't what he got disqualified for anyway. he could have done the same thing litterally 3 seconds later, he just made a mistake not thinking lanes on the other end where still active so he couldn't cross into one where his team was already done. This is an optionally enforced rule for causing problems with other lanes that was used at the wrong time. Thanks for pulling out frat party from no where as it isn't slighly relevant to the video. Every living thing that sees your comment will go away knowing you have something wrong with you. just because you see a guy happy about an accomplishment like beating his overal best time doesn't mean something is wrong. work on yourself a little.
This is the perfect example of some try-hard ref enforcing a rule but completely and utterly ignoring the spirit of the rule. Obviously no interference was caused and the swimmer in that lane was already done. Insane.
that what i said to cops: you are insane, there were no traffic on the road, you are ignoring the spirit of red light, it means: do whatever the duck you want on this street and i was happy about my job promotion!
it’s stupid. it’s as if robots are enforcing the rule. this clearly isn’t what the rule tries to prevent and any person with common sense can see that. the judges just said “well technically, he broke a rule” without actually considering why that rule exists in the first place
@@zloidooraque0 that’s- without a doubt- the worst analogy i’ve heard all week. breaking traffic laws and hugging a teammate who’s finished with the race are two totally different things. to fix that analogy, it’s more like getting that promotion, driving home with your work friend in separate cars, getting out of the car, having a drink to celebrate, and getting a ticket for a DUI in your own house. do you think you can see why that doesn’t really work now?
@@BeverlyReeserin à such case, the spirit of the rule should supersede over the letter, as he did not bother his competitor , this is the spirit of rule.
@@k.robertrichardson6779 in any cases, a worthy judge will assess the contextual situation and will take his/her conviction based on both the letter and the spirit of the law. If the judge considers the letter alone, it is the death of the law. The judge will not last long, will be dismissed sooner or later.
@user-iy1vo2jf2q ...probably not worth a DQ, yes, but the rule is very clear: "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified." The heat wasn't finished yet as others were still working hard to finish. Seems like something he should have known if he's been swimming long enough to garner a record?
That’s right, the call cited “interference” by crossing into another lane, but the winner clearly knew he was crossing into his friend’s lane who had already also finished. It also happened a good 15 seconds after his finish. The NCAA needs to step in and restore this win.
@@grawakendream8980 So... having basic empathy and an oppinion in the matter is now being emotionally unstable? sure pal. I'd reccomend you to project elsewhere.
As an attorney, I try to look not only at the law but the purpose of the law. Here, the rule makes sense. But, the application of the rule does not. It's impossible to interfere with a swimmer who has already completed the race. And one could easily argue that once a swimmer has completed his race, he can not "change" lanes as his race is over. So, the only issue on the application of the rule is whether the winner somehow "interfered" with someone who was still swimming. He did not. Very few people finish so far ahead of the other swimmers that this type of scenario is rarely even possible. Decision makers should have more insight than those who made this one. Had the official not made the call, none of the other coaches would have protested. So, obviously no one else had an issue.
“but he broke the rule” he didnt break the rule since the other swimmer already finished, its like saying you cant celebrate with your friend that joined you in the race and is next to you because you are interfering with them
@@kristinleigh545 The referees literally had no other option as the rule mandates automatic dq for the swimmer. So maybe be angry at the swimmer for breaking rules and stop being disgusting.
I was expecting to see some disgusting display of egotism and hubris. This kid was excited that’s all. Totally deserves the win and to celebrate. Ridiculous ruling.
Unfortunately for him, he screwed up. Rule 2, Section 5, Article 1b: "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified." The heat hadn't finished. Stupid rule, that could be revised, but it is what it is. All sports have some unpopular rules but they certainly shouldn't be changed from play to play. It's the participants responsibility to be aware of them. Accountability...a value of the past?
I'm going to be honest and real when I say I genuinely wish there were more egotistical people winning and celebrating their victories. Getting really tired of the "humble and modest" people winning. It's just hating at that point
@@roberthedrick1397 That rule is clearly to punish disrupting swimmers that haven't finished. He crossed into a lane of a swimmer that already finished. We have brains, let's use some fucking logic and give the kid the fucking medal. Shit like this is fucking pathetic.
@@roberthedrick1397 The same "rules" that let men compete against and win every womens swimming competition? The ones that get changed for the convenience of the T community whenever possible? Yeah, these rules can be changed almost at will to suit whatever is convenient to certain groups. You could even add "At the discretion of the referee" to the rule and fix it immediately.
I get the point of the rule, not going into someone else's lane to avoid interfering with another swimmer, but when they've both finished the race the ruling is as pedantic as it is ridiculous
As his teammate said, they work hard for this…he knocked 4 seconds off his own personal record…! These people making the decisions are the ones who should be disqualified…from ever being in a position to make a pointless, heartless decision like that ever again.
Took the words right out of my mouth. I don't even watch Swimming at all. And I want to become involved in this sport just to support this young man and see Justice take place.
@@consumoholic You hear one swimming rule and youre ready to grab pitch forks. Bro it’s not that serious. Wild to me you make that joke but they’re actually receiving threats.
@StefanRial the Australian women's swim team beat the world record in the olympics and was disqualified for something the same....it resulted in the USA getting the gold metal. USA team didn't complain...hell they pointed it out....its heart breaking and a bit S*?t.
I can understand a penalty for being a sore winner, for gloating, for rubbing your win in an opponent's face, or being disruptive. That isn't what happened here. The judges are incredibly pathetic and immature.
Idk man, getting up on a lane line while competitors are still swimming is pretty disrespectful. I swam competitively (I was mediocre, not a record breaker), and we were always taught that when you finish, you stand and wait until everyone else finishes before you do anything else
@@Sklounst_Actual AGREED! The judges were simply following the rule. Don't like the rules? Change them. The kid made a terrible mistake. He can learn to weave it into his life for the better if his coach and family help him. The lady announcer? She's wrong. You do NOT celebrate in someone else's lane when the race is still underway.
@@Sklounst_Actual Ur obviously crap at what you do if you believe what he did ruined the experience for the runner-up. If I was that athlete in second place, I would throw my medal into the guys lap and stated pubically that i'd came second. It isnt right and yet some people like you defend the stupid decision all because that would've hurt YOUR feelings.
He crossed into an inactive lane (teammate was done swimming). So... how, exactly, is the rule "effective" in this case? Wouldn't it only be effective when applied to active lanes?@@basnoordermeer4249
@@basnoordermeer4249 yes, it was an incredibly stupid interpretation and use of that rule, and I say that as a swimming coach and ex pro swimmer. He didnt interfere with any other active swimmer, and the spirit of the rule is only about those. Such celebrations actually happen all the time even in Olympics without such stupid disqualifications happening. Mongoloid ref with a pathetic need to use their power, or someone with an agenda, vengence, or something.
Rule 2, Section 5, Article 1a. He DID NOT interfere with another swimmer. Rule 2, Section 5, Article 1b. He WAS NOT an active swimmer who changed lanes during a heat. He had finished as did the other lane swimmer who had also finished. Both rules refer to active swimmers He needs a lawyer and a Go Fund Me page
how miserable do you have to be to disqualify a kid for celebrating WITH his team mate AFTER the team mate already finished too! there was no “interference”. he made HISTORY.
ya man, imagine how embarrassing it is for the #2 swimmer, who didn't win #1 due to skill, and Owen didn't cheat nor disrupt. Like anyone who is the #2 swimmer will know they didn't earn the medal, as witnessed LIVE on TV. Judges clearly didn't think this through and made a haste, lack of human element, decision. similar case of DQ on technicality but Don Calhoun "He Made A Million Dollar Shot And They Didn't Want To Pay Him". Even if "legally right", Michael Joran still felt its wrong.
I love the teammate reaction, I love how eloquent he was and just jumped right into the rant. In all those emotions he didn't hesitate and still was so polite despide being furious. That's a true sportsman!
I didn't like the teammate's reaction at all. Seems like a young man who lacks respect for authorities. A spoilt lil brat in other words. Should be disqualified from any kind of sports events 😮😮😮😮😮😮
That was ridiculous. If the swimmer was still swimming when he crossed into his lane, fine, but he was DONE. He “interfered” with nothing. Good on his teammate for standing by him and insisting he wouldn’t take the win under those circumstances. Someone with authority needs to strike that idiotic requirement from the rules. Outrageous.
@@RichyRich2607 ordinarily I would agree with you, but in this case, the rule needs to be re-examined. It was put in place to avoid swimmers from interfering in each other’s progress during the race, which he followed. To reprimand him for a post- race celebration is not what the rule was intended for
As an experienced Swim Coach myself I understand the rule, however if both swimmers have finished the race, referees need to apply some common sense. Every winner in swimming history celebrates like that! Pathetic officials.
I have never seen two swimmers competing in the last heat and the rest were a lap behind +. what kind of beer league is that? there is no winner under FINA sitting a celebrating on lane until everyone is done
straight men always supporting each other’s questionable decisions, all in favor of protecting their warped values of patriarchy and machismo… disgusting
@@dashinblu lol that would've been so funny. But seriously, what he said was exactly what pretty much every other athlete would've said in that situation, whether they really mean it or not. If you would say something like you deserved the win and you start celebrating, everyone would think you're an asshole and even people who are actually assholes know that. Imagine someone tells you his girlfriend broke up and you had a crush on her for years, you still would not say "oh great, finally she's free and i can hit on her"
I can see the rule being applied to crossing into a lane with a swimmer who’s actively racing, but he crossed into a persons lane who had already completed the race. He wasn’t disrupting anyone. He had won fairly and was celebrating with a fellow teammate on an amazing performance. He did not deserve to be disqualified.
I hate what happened here. What makes it worse, is that OTHER swimmers were not done. The guy who he hugged was absolutely done, but somewhere off camera there was someone still going, and that is why my man was diqualified.
@@youngredstreams2667 So what? The rule is there to prevent obstruction to people who are still swimming and he didnt do that at all. He crossed the line to celebrate with a teammate, not to get in the way of anyone else
@HelpMeplease991 you are some random teen who makes "music" and tryna get some attention for that cash by spamming comments with your alt account promoting your real account and trying to make your comment seem relevant by associating your comment with the video's topic
Well his heart is in the right place but he was wrong to "defend" Lloyd. This implies that him being disqualified is at least potentially someone else's fault. That isn't the case. Lloyd disqualified himself and there is nothing that could be done about it. It is terrible and upsetting but, there is no injustice to right here.
@@joshuamorrison8332so I've seen a lot of people say that the Rule Lloyd broke is a discretionary rule which means the judges could've decided not to count it as in this case it didn't interfere with Ross who had already finished but they still decided to enforce the rule.
@@xiaokaSo what? That’s not th point, the rule is in place to stop finish swimmers from interfering with people still swimming. They were both done so the rule doesn’t apply. It’s literally his own teammate too
It was the right thing to do : when he lets himself fall in the other lane, he makes waves that can affect the chrono of others swimmers. Imagine the first F1 pilot who finishes the race starts to make a burnout and makes smoke al overt the finish line. That's the same thing, and that was the right decison to disqualify him.
@mickeymousesupremency149 Having worked in the mental health field in numerous positions for over 25 years, including direct client care, and without yet searching Google, I'd say it means presenting the personality disorders and conditions of a psychopath. Now I WILL look it up: "Psychopathy is a neuropsychiatric disorder marked by deficient emotional responses, lack of empathy, and poor behavioral controls, commonly resulting in persistent antisocial deviance and criminal behavior." Bit of advice: the ad hominem is the worst fallacy of all: It instantly demonstrates you have gifted your opponent a very satisfying win.
He and his teammate were already done with the race when he entered the other lane. That rule was specifically written to prevent interference while the race is still in progress. But as those two were already finished, he caused no interference. Major props to his teammates for supporting him and refusing the automatic win.
Rule 2, Section 5, Article 1b: "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified." The heat hadn't finished. Stupid rule, that could be revised, but it is what it is. All sports have some unpopular rules but they certainly shouldn't be changed from play to play. It's the participants responsibility to be aware of them. Accountability...a value of the past?
@@roberthedrick1397 you realise what judges exist for right? if all we did was take rules for a sport at face value, judges wouldnt even have a job. they are there to decide technicalities and nuance. the spirit of the rule not the words. the world isnt black and white. i can tell you never watch sports and just want to wag your finger to pad your ego. he didnt interfere with other lanes still in progress, therefore most judges would deem no interference and let it fly but i guess the judges this time were similar to you. egotistical with their head in the clouds.
@@newp0rtThat guy is just copy pasting that comment in threads. Clearly never achieved anything and is resorting to demeaning others to make himself feel better. Pathetic.
@@newp0rt This is even more egregious when you see that the teammate who technically won by default of the disqualification said he wouldn't accept his own "win" either and admitted the guy won fair and square. I don't watch sports though, so I don't know much about the nuances of this, but I would be inclined to believe a judge is there to make the calls in line with the spirit of the rule on a case by case basis.
Heat of the moment. Actually he'll regret that later. He'll wish he'd yelled "THERY'RE NOT FINISHED" to his buddy. One of them or another buddy has already learned this rule probably in grade school.
The USSR unfairly ruled, repeatedly, all during one year, that the opponents were disqualified, and in Australia’s case, after setting a record. They found loopholes in the rules, and they took advantage of them. This is the exact same sorta crap… the rules were changed after that year, and they should be changed again here.
giving up the medal and podium is one thing, but I doubt he is going to give up his spot moving forward to the bigger things as the #1 qualifier in this
Props to the guy who said he wasn't gonna take the glory while they snatched the obvious winner's dreams away. The referees made a fool out of that event and themselves.
@@goodbyemr.anderson5065what do you mean, I hope you aren’t saying he didn’t give it to him. Cause they both came out and said that it was given to him, it’s in his room. It went to the rightful winner
@reddragonready for someone acting so smart and condescending you should be knowledgeable enough to know that maybe he didn’t see that part? You know the part at the END? He could have typed that before the end of the video? I know mindblowing
Crossing into the lane of someone who is still swimming would be a reasonable disqualification. But the swimmer in the next lane had finished also. This decision is totally bonkers.
As a swimmer, I always knew this rule. We had to wait for the last swimmer to finish before crossing into other lanes to congratulate the winner or a teammate... that being said, as long as a swimmer doesn't cross into an active lane, IT SHOULDN'T MATTER.
@sasquatchrosefarts9131 at practice, we would have to run sprints and do pushups if we were caught going over a lane line... and being tasked with restringing the line through the rings. This DQ had nothing to do with the lane line, it would have been the same if he swam under it.
Bruh, the rules are there for a reason. Also nobody has to show themselves on camera for you to see. This is not a fight, people are just doing the job they are paid to do. It's not like the judges gain anything from him not winning. They are just doing their job.
@@webrevolution. They could have let it go. Rules are there for safety and fairness of the sport. In no way did his actions interfere with the outcome of the race. The fact that they are judges and could not use good "judgement" appears that they weren't doing their job
@@dh-uo4lt did you know boomers can steal your artwork, content, and ideas if you don’t have $100,000 to take to elaborate court? Yeah nobody cares anymore. We’re done with them forcing 9-5 dirt pay with $3500/mo to exist in a cubicle, being called lazy. We’re done being unable to defend ourselves, and having medals stolen over more nonsense “but technically the boomer rules matter and you don’t”. Maybe start questioning everything for once. What happened here is sickening and more proof of how corrupt the older generations have become. It’s become common place for them to rip off kids “to defend their honor system”. It’s corrupt, and power abuse. He obstructed nothing. More ok boomer rules shoved down everyone’s throat and they refuse to admit how wrong they are because the only thing that mattered here was the judges’ narcissistic ability to wield power. Envious egos watching attractive youthful athletes do something they can’t; nothing but miserable boomers plain as day and everyone can see it. We’re so sick of narcissism being boomer-splained away as “honor system and integrity of the very fabric of rules and systems themselves!” Nobody thinks swimming would self destruct if they had used common sense. It’s just evil abusers wielding mallets
The purpose of this rule is clearly to deter swimmers from interfering with other swimmers still racing. Both of the swimmers involved here were obviously finished with the race.
@@hottuna2006 It does bro, Section 5 Article 1 A-F are ALL labeled underneath "Interference" as a subsection to Fouls as a whole. It is quite literally only there so you don't unfairly interfere with other swimmers, going into a lane that has a swimmer that has already finished and is totally fine celebrating with you is not interference.
Could you please explain what the rule means instead of just sighting its number? I can't seem to find a list of rules for competitive swimming that has this numeration @@hottuna2006
but the race wasn't over yet. You clearing don't understand racing, and I hope you try to race one day in any sport because its timeless tradition, that doesn't change for any generation, especially this one.
@@debrasnipes7431 Well, no. They are going to put that medal around his neck and he can easily take it off and give it to his teammate. Not super surprising that someone would do it, either. Who in hell wants a gold medal for a race in which everyone saw him finish second?
@@oberpenneraffe.. I knew a tennis player who had a promising career ahead of her but just could not reach the top. She talked to a top coach who asked her what she would do if she saw her best friend on the ground, badly injured and begging for help. The woman said that she would stop and help. The coach told her that was the reason that she would never be a top flight player because they understand that the only thing they can think about is personal success. Nothing else mattered, and it appears that the team mate understood that the door of opportunity had opened for him.
@@johnvienta7622 Humility, honour, self accomplishment, sacrifice. Those who reach the top by letting others fall are nothing more than winners. You have every right to do so, but achieving something at the detriment of someone else is not rewarding whatsoever. Literally takes the fun of it all too. If you’re truly good at something, you’ll reach the top while making the ones who stand around you rise.
@@user-fh2vx3hd6c Anyone with a real brain understands that you can't interfere with a another swimmer that has already finished the race, plus it was his TEAMMATE, it's not like he fell into a random competitors lane while they were still racing, that would have been uncalled for That rule is the equivalent of a baseball player celebrating a home run by giving someone running to the plate behind him a high five after he goes over the plate, and getting the homerun disqualified because of it, it makes no sense and everyone knows it
On the point, that is also why our society is so fucked up unfortunately. Power with the wrong hands and you can clearly see how everything is ruined year by year..
i hope that ref gets fired and that stupid rule gets taken out bc omg he looks so disappointed, he knew that win could’ve gotten him somewhere and all that hard work for nothing?
Wow, this is truly disappointing, imagine getting your best time and accomplishing something you train so hard for after 14 minutes of intense swimming and you get it all taken away because you celebrated with your friend? It didn't impede other active swimmers in any way, this is a serious lapse in judgement by the referees and I really feel for Owen here
Indeed it quite unbelievable and on the one hand senseless. However, he was not disqualified for celebrating. He was disqualified for crossing his lane while the race was not finished. The question is: what do the rules say? And if you had to write the rules, at what point in time do you consider crossing the lanes as acceptable/ unacceptable? For sure one cannot blame officials for following the rules, nor can you blame whoever wrote the rules for not writing a chapter about such a basic rule. After all the race is not over until the last person crosses the line: it is a form of respect.
It's most likely retaliation towards NC State by disgruntled ACC members. NC State has the current head of the ACC and all the big schools (Clemson, UNC, FSU) have a grudge against him for various reasons related to other sports@@rustytutton9473
Even if they decide (under public pressure) to give him back his winning, it's way too late. They've taken away his genuine excitement and happiness. Unbelievable!
I feel so bad for Lloyd. He was at his biggest high AND his lowest low in such a short amount of time. I can’t imagine the anguish ,,, Nothing those judges do can ever bring that moment back for him. They need to be fired
Literally breaking a massive record in his senior year of college swimming in a really intense long-distance swim. That was such an unnecessary call for an ambiguous rule that doesn't seem to apply to what we all see here. That must have been soul crushing. But we all know he smashed that record and even though it is too late it will be good if they reverse that call and he gets his official record.
well I don't want to be that guy but.... I'm a terrible human being and even I wouldn't want that hunk of metal, It doesn't feel earned, where's the pride in it?
@@lopez8277How stupid are you?? I played soccer almost all my life, touching a ball is so different compared to cheering your win with your teammate that already finished the swim as well. You must have a rough life for being so cruel. Touching a ball is literally everything against soccer. Since you can only use your feet😭😭💀
This has happened before. In 2001 the entire Australian Womens 4x200m swim team was disqualified after winning at the 2001 World Swimming Championships in Fukuoka and celebrating too early by jumping into the water, before all teams had finished the race.
Disqualification is totally in line with the written rules. The only person that did anything stupid is the swimmer who threw away a good run. Also, anyone defending him and attacking the officials for doing their job. Meaning you. You are stupid.
He absolutely did Not "Interfere with an ongoing race".The lane he went into was his Teammate's and He'd Finished. This is sickening. Years of hard work taken for a nonsense call. They Must reinstate his Record time, and allow him to continue his career in the Nationals as He Earned.
He egregiously went into another player's lane and was rightfully disqualified. I would have banned him for the rest of the year for such a shocking display of behavior.
@@planetvegan7843they do exist, well done. Job done. Black and white thinking in place. Clearly you are a great team member in whatever job you do. Anyone would be happy to have you.
When I clicked this I expected him to get disqualified for showing out and being obnoxious. This is so much worse, that poor young man wasn’t being obnoxious at all, the judges were in my opinion
My heart just sank for him. I know what its like to have something you worked so hard for taken from you in an instant. Its gut wrenching and it can make anyone break down and cry. I'm not a very emotional person but when it happened to me I bawled my eyes out in front of everyone.
"Hey so even though you just beat your personal best by 4 seconds, won a conference championship, and punched a ticket to nationals, we couldn't help but notice that you got a little too happy about all that..."
@@billweeks9606his excitement shown through him literally hopping over to celebrate with his teammate (who had already finished swimming). *Its a dumb rule.* Just accept it
@@billweeks9606it's also illegal to walk down the street with an ice cream cone in your back pocket in some states. Don't you think some rules are plain dumb?
A young man trains hard his whole life to become the best! An old POS gets to judge him in 2 seconds, ruining everything he's worked for. Human beings suck. Society sucks. The more you know 🌈
@@mikegrazio5376the judges could have given them all a warning before, plus it's ridiculous to disqualify someone just because they celebrated their long awaited victory 💀
This is so heartbreaking, to have that striped from him after months or probably years of hard work, tears and sweat, just for that moment to get taken away from him. I swear like the reffs (people who are just they to judge and to keep score) really enjoy just taking the fun out of everything it seems like. They need to do better!
For what it's worth, millions of people watching this video who would have not known otherwise, now know how great of a swimmer he is. He's the champ for everyone else, but the official results.
Yeah, I hadn't heard his name before, but seeing him here, that was an absolutely incredible athleticism he's shown. Clearly a life's work of training and dedication behind it, and I would very likely not have witnessed any of this if not for the disqualification. Still unjust, but I believe this is sort of a way to give him in some form or amount what he deserves for all of his hard work and commitment to becoming this level of athlete.
I hate to be a pessimist, but how does the court of public opinion's view on this matter? Does he get to compete in nationals with his friend? I may have misunderstood, but does this disqualification not mean that his ticket to nationals is basically gone? For the record, I'm 1000% in support of this dude's accomplishment, but I just don't see how the crowd's boos have any effect. Though from reading other comments, I hope his appeal to whatever regulators gets him his medal and ticket to nationals
@@Samuel85228 It doesn't help him within the bounds of the competition, but I know for sure that in this situation, it would really soften the blow to know the public sees the situation as I do. It might not help me in any measurable way, but it would alleviate the anger and such by a lot. Not everyone works that way, but it's possible he might too.
@@Samuel85228 Why do people boo when a bad call is made in any sport? The rule the ref used was a rule with "at the discretion of the judge" in it so the judge for some reason thought he interfered with the race. Everyone in the crowd unanimously disagreed, the boos may have an effect of we never want this guy to judge again because he makes calls that don't make sense to people who also know the rule.
There is such a thing as the spirit of the rule. The spirit of the rule is crossing over into another competitor's lane who is still swimming, NOT the lane where your teammate is done swimming.
Exactly - the rule actually references "interference" with another swimmer. I bet the turd who called him on this rule was peeing his panties to get to someone and get this enforced.
I commented the same thing and then saw yours. You beat me to it. But, you're exactly right. They ignored the spirit to follow the letter, missing the entire point of the rule. So dumb.
The judges are correct. You don't go into another lane or get out until all swimmers have finished. That's the rule and he would be aware of it. He screwed up.
@@fireskycam9889 The rule might state for interference, but no other swimmer in that race would have been affected by what he was doing, the lane he fell into was finished too. I could understand if he was still swimming but should not have been a dq
@@fireskycam9889 Stop being a spaniel you're whole life. Rules are there to remedy problems - not to be blindly adhered to. The point of the rule is to stop interference between swimmers - yet he went into the lane of a FINISHED swimmer.
So the kid so much better than the others that he had the time to finish, realize he won, see he has an incredible time, go over a lane scream how happy proud he is before dropping in the other lane that already finished. BUT when he did there was still people not finished and that wen't agaisn't him? He won. He did nothing wrong. Judge is a morron.
Right??? It’s some stupid technicality that was more than likely a judgement call. I can’t believe they wouldn’t give him the benefit of the doubt. I cannot imagine working that hard, for so long, only for the judges to destroy his accomplishments for seemingly no good reason.
I can't believe judges did this and stuck to this decision. That so stupid to disqualify an athlete like that. He didn't interfere with anybody, his teammate had already finished his race, that "during a heat" part of the rule was completely dismissed somehow. So stupid, unreasonable and downright cruel thing to do. Shame on those judges.
@@panoramlx The Rules as they are presented in the description of the video: - Rule 2, Section 5, Article 1a: "Any competitor who interferes with another swimmer during a race shall be disqualified from that race, subject to the discretion of the referee..." He did not interfere with another competing swimmer. His teammate had finished his race, so Owen did not cause any problems to him when he was racing. - Rule 2, Section 5, Article 1b: "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified." Ambiguous. If you take "heat" as a race which ends when every athlete has finished their swim, then rule applies. However, both swimmers in those 2 lanes had already finished their races, which means the heat for them was over. They were no longer a part of the heat. But the thing is, instead of blindly following the rules, especially when they're not oh so clear, you should rely on the initial intent that rules were written for, and basic reason, after all. Many times rules are not perfect - in the end they are written by people and could be very flawed
at @0:51 you can see someone in the background still swimming. How is that swimmer "finsihed" if he is still swimming? Does winning a race mean you can decide for everyone else in the heat they are finished?
IF a swimmer can decide when other swimmers are "finished" then why doesn't the Last place swimmer then decide all those in front of him "Finished before he touched the wall" and therefore HE is the winner? This would mean he would win correct? This is why your logic doesn't make sense. A swimmer cannot officially decide for other swimmers they are finished. IF they could then it would about which swimmer decided other swimmers finished first. IF this was the case what is the point of racing? OR measuring times?
PArt 2: The NCAA rules say : NCAA Swimming & Diving Rule 2-5-1-b, a section called FOULS with the article titled INTERFERENCE, states, "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified." 1. HE changed lanes 2. @0:50 someone is still swimming (there for the heat is still running. 3. heat is finished when LAST swimmer finishes. SO using your logic Lloyd had the right to decide that the swimmer at @0:50 finished (eventhough he was still swimming) and that the heat was over, therefore what he did was OK.
He crossed the lane to a teammate who was already finished. To celebrate. That is the dumbest ruling use on a situation calling for it ever. The kid trained a very long time for that event. Then to take it from him with such reasoning? Uncalled for. Very unsportsmanlike as a judge. That judge or judges should be banned from these events for that call. This needs to be overturned.
@@AiVaultGuy and he didn’t break any rules as he didn’t interfere with the other swimmer’s race. both swimmers were done when he crossed into the other lane
Some people were like "but the others weren't done swimming" like my brother in christ how would those little splashes he made "interfere" with the others
This was literally one of those moments where an official is free to interpret a rule as they personally see fit. The rule exists to prevent any interference of another swimmer before the race is finished. 0 swimmers were interfered with. The official is an asshole. Honestly I think the crowd should have gone on riot.
And on top of that consider the following. Some nasty competitor deliberately takes an hour to complete the heat so noone can exit the pool or they are disqualified. To all the blind sheep reciting "rules are rules", I guess you did not think of that.
Nah, it was more so the rules being shit to begin with. Judges make decisions based on the rules, and try to not do it on their own opinions, and its most likely this was always never allowed and they're just applying that. Awful, but probably absolutely not the judges fault, but whoever makes the rules for the national qualification.
@@tortoisewarrior4855100% the judges fault, making a judgement call in that situation, reaching the decision “let’s take away this kids medal for celebrating with his teammate who finished even though he interfered with no one” 🤡
@@tortoisewarrior4855 How is the rule shit? You cant interfere with other swimmers, seems like a most obvious rule, Otherwise whats stopping you from kicking, punching or biting a swimmer to beat him? I agree with the judges, the race wasnt over, and hes blocking other lanes.
The problem is probably not the sport and the rules. The problem are the people of the past, who exploited the non existence of such rules. That is why we put rules like these in place and we have to live with it.
That isn't the rule. The rule is you can't enter another swimmer's lane while the race is not yet finished, period. It's no different than the 100m in track and field. You leave your lane you're DQd, period. Makes no difference if you actually interfere with another runner or not.
@@Rowgue51you don’t get dq’d in track if, after you cross the finish line, you enter another lane lmao i ran track but keep talking from your couch buddy
@@Rowgue51 the video specifically stated the refs ruled they were disqualified for "interference with another swimmer, hence the quotes. Regardless, if instead he was DQd because you can't enter another swimmers lane while the race isn't completely over, period, there's the argument that the race WAS completely over in both lanes in question, and none of his actions interfered with any lanes that still had a race going on. Again regardless of any of that, I doubt the spirit of the rule was to prevent celebrating a record swim with the person beaide you, who is also finished. The intention of a rule/law can matter more than the actual wording.
@enny2218The rule is right there in the video description "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified". He changed lanes. The heat wasn't over. There's no talk of interference in the rule. I agree, bullshit rule, but if that's the rule it needs to be enforced... this guy won't be the first one to be disqualified for it... maybe he can be the last if the rule is changed though.
@@abhibeckertno it was over and he didn't interfere with anyone. Its hilarious how the same people that wanna be stuck up about such bs, will gladly have a man race women and dominate them, sometimes even Injuring them in some sports where there's contact.
The abuse of power on display is sickening, so is the sobbing of the this young man, very contrasting to the screaming and chest pounding moments before.
Sorry, pal. Your backhanded wit gets a you a forehanded rebuke: There's no sport without competitors. Like so many other things, it's all about RESPECT.
this sport does damn near everything in its power to disallow fun
Big fan, and I totally agree. Love your videos!
Love the vids bro.
I agree. Swimming is never going to become a popular sport if dumb stuff like this continues.
Totally right kyle, this is also pretty good footage documenting everything happened after the race and disqualification
have they tried Galactic Swimming?
Next time he wins you know he will not celebrate again; this is how you kill someone’s happiness. So sad.
Nwo master plan
Good, maybe win with some class and follow the rules of the competition, this isn’t a frat party.
@@HeyhitmeBAM Are you dumb? The guy won by a landslide and in the heat of the moment wanted and deserved to celebrate. I can tell you are absolutely miserable.
@@HeyhitmeBAM where the fuck do you people come from?
@@HeyhitmeBAM there is a reason you are the only person with that opinion. The part your emotional problems have a problem with isn't what he got disqualified for anyway. he could have done the same thing litterally 3 seconds later, he just made a mistake not thinking lanes on the other end where still active so he couldn't cross into one where his team was already done. This is an optionally enforced rule for causing problems with other lanes that was used at the wrong time. Thanks for pulling out frat party from no where as it isn't slighly relevant to the video. Every living thing that sees your comment will go away knowing you have something wrong with you. just because you see a guy happy about an accomplishment like beating his overal best time doesn't mean something is wrong. work on yourself a little.
The guy who ended up taking the technicality saying he’s not taking the medal is a serious friend and shows amazing sportsmanship
"He beat me fair and square and he deserves that medal not me" Good teammate and friend
I mean, any decent human being would do the same, no one would take that medal in pride
u know they homies coz id do the same for mine ✊✊ respect to him man
Rules like these were made by fools.
K kid
This is the perfect example of some try-hard ref enforcing a rule but completely and utterly ignoring the spirit of the rule. Obviously no interference was caused and the swimmer in that lane was already done. Insane.
that what i said to cops: you are insane, there were no traffic on the road, you are ignoring the spirit of red light, it means: do whatever the duck you want on this street and i was happy about my job promotion!
it’s stupid. it’s as if robots are enforcing the rule. this clearly isn’t what the rule tries to prevent and any person with common sense can see that.
the judges just said “well technically, he broke a rule” without actually considering why that rule exists in the first place
Is it not allowed if the lane is finished? That is dumb
hey, ask a stupid question, get ... wrecked.
@@zloidooraque0 that’s- without a doubt- the worst analogy i’ve heard all week. breaking traffic laws and hugging a teammate who’s finished with the race are two totally different things.
to fix that analogy, it’s more like getting that promotion, driving home with your work friend in separate cars, getting out of the car, having a drink to celebrate, and getting a ticket for a DUI in your own house. do you think you can see why that doesn’t really work now?
Takes me back to grade 7 when my teacher taught us about the "spirit of the rule" vs the "letter of the rule"
That's all well and good, but the letter of the rule does still matter.
@@BeverlyReeserin à such case, the spirit of the rule should supersede over the letter, as he did not bother his competitor , this is the spirit of rule.
@@dhnguyen68 I don't agree. I think the letter of the rule was more important in this case.
@@k.robertrichardson6779 in any cases, a worthy judge will assess the contextual situation and will take his/her conviction based on both the letter and the spirit of the law. If the judge considers the letter alone, it is the death of the law. The judge will not last long, will be dismissed sooner or later.
@@k.robertrichardson6779why?
The worst thing is he was celebrating with his friend who ALREADY finished the race
yeah but others were still finishing up is the issue. however he didn't impede them so i guess they chalked it up as unsportsmanlike conduct.
*already
@user-iy1vo2jf2q *irrelevant
@user-iy1vo2jf2q ...probably not worth a DQ, yes, but the rule is very clear: "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified." The heat wasn't finished yet as others were still working hard to finish. Seems like something he should have known if he's been swimming long enough to garner a record?
That’s right, the call cited “interference” by crossing into another lane, but the winner clearly knew he was crossing into his friend’s lane who had already also finished. It also happened a good 15 seconds after his finish. The NCAA needs to step in and restore this win.
Literally everyone is against that decision, the fact they kept the disqualification tells exactly who they are.
aleksandr karelin lost the olympic gold in wrestling on a technicality. learn to control your emotions
@@grawakendream8980thats the same as legally right but morally wrong
@@Altair2786 so now it's question of morality lol. ok
@@grawakendream8980we talking about swimming and homie brought up wrestling
@@grawakendream8980 So... having basic empathy and an oppinion in the matter is now being emotionally unstable? sure pal. I'd reccomend you to project elsewhere.
As an attorney, I try to look not only at the law but the purpose of the law. Here, the rule makes sense. But, the application of the rule does not. It's impossible to interfere with a swimmer who has already completed the race. And one could easily argue that once a swimmer has completed his race, he can not "change" lanes as his race is over. So, the only issue on the application of the rule is whether the winner somehow "interfered" with someone who was still swimming. He did not. Very few people finish so far ahead of the other swimmers that this type of scenario is rarely even possible. Decision makers should have more insight than those who made this one. Had the official not made the call, none of the other coaches would have protested. So, obviously no one else had an issue.
agree
“but he broke the rule” he didnt break the rule since the other swimmer already finished, its like saying you cant celebrate with your friend that joined you in the race and is next to you because you are interfering with them
Hi
Rule is rule.
@@RichyRich2607yeah if you're a robot with no emotions or critical thinking skills
MAD respect to the guy who said he wouldn't take the winning spot.
This is disgusting. The judges have lost their humanity. God bless his teammate for his attitude and support.
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@@kristinleigh545 The referees literally had no other option as the rule mandates automatic dq for the swimmer. So maybe be angry at the swimmer for breaking rules and stop being disgusting.
@@lunalane Rules suck. Everyone knows that. Read the room.
@@lunalanethe only thing that is disgusting is your comment.
I was expecting to see some disgusting display of egotism and hubris. This kid was excited that’s all. Totally deserves the win and to celebrate. Ridiculous ruling.
Same. This is so wrong
Unfortunately for him, he screwed up. Rule 2, Section 5, Article 1b: "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified." The heat hadn't finished. Stupid rule, that could be revised, but it is what it is. All sports have some unpopular rules but they certainly shouldn't be changed from play to play. It's the participants responsibility to be aware of them. Accountability...a value of the past?
I'm going to be honest and real when I say I genuinely wish there were more egotistical people winning and celebrating their victories. Getting really tired of the "humble and modest" people winning. It's just hating at that point
@@roberthedrick1397 That rule is clearly to punish disrupting swimmers that haven't finished. He crossed into a lane of a swimmer that already finished. We have brains, let's use some fucking logic and give the kid the fucking medal. Shit like this is fucking pathetic.
@@roberthedrick1397 The same "rules" that let men compete against and win every womens swimming competition? The ones that get changed for the convenience of the T community whenever possible? Yeah, these rules can be changed almost at will to suit whatever is convenient to certain groups. You could even add "At the discretion of the referee" to the rule and fix it immediately.
I get the point of the rule, not going into someone else's lane to avoid interfering with another swimmer, but when they've both finished the race the ruling is as pedantic as it is ridiculous
Rules are rules dude
@@KhaoShungsome rules are stupid
@@KhaoShung rules have exceptions
race was over @@KhaoShung
@@KhaoShungrules should be a guideline to avoid negative behaviour, but then there's also people like you
As his teammate said, they work hard for this…he knocked 4 seconds off his own personal record…! These people making the decisions are the ones who should be disqualified…from ever being in a position to make a pointless, heartless decision like that ever again.
What a skilled ref, somehow manages to make people uninvolved in the sport viscerally angry at him
whats his name? and adress?
@@consumoholic not the best way to indicate your agreement here
Took the words right out of my mouth. I don't even watch Swimming at all. And I want to become involved in this sport just to support this young man and see Justice take place.
@@consumoholic You hear one swimming rule and youre ready to grab pitch forks. Bro it’s not that serious. Wild to me you make that joke but they’re actually receiving threats.
Facts
Holy shit. This is crushing. What a perfect way to absolutely discourage future athletes from wanting to compete.
Why cause they can’t follow the rules…
@StefanRial he could have climb the pool and celebrate on land. Not a hard thing to do.
you mean like in football, where players get ejected from the game and fined for celebrating?
@StefanRial the Australian women's swim team beat the world record in the olympics and was disqualified for something the same....it resulted in the USA getting the gold metal. USA team didn't complain...hell they pointed it out....its heart breaking and a bit S*?t.
f8k the rules. that decision is a f8king joke and i hate swimming.@@rolandoramirez1193
His teammate is a real one for voicing his opinion during the interview and refusing to take the podium.
Stand up young man right there.
Eh you guys give him too much credit, I'm sure he'd agree.
In the end, he took the podium
@@RobbyBabesI feel the same way, like it actually would have been wrong of his teammate to not say anything
True sportsmanship for sure.
UPDATE Dq was overturned and he is going to nationals!! They are changing the rules a bit to fill this issue.
thank you for mentioning this i can sleep well now
Can you provide link? I don't see that anywhere and so I can't sleep well tonight
wait really?? LETS GOOOOO
I hope to god this is real
I can't find any info on this
The kid who took the win after the disqualification is the true definition of sportsmanship. “He beat me fair and square”
If only the same applied to Eurovision.
it was the saddest 1st place finish. He didn't even look like he won.
@@hkar4385 cuz he didnt
Yeah a very dissatisfying win that would forever be tainted.
Kid?
I can understand a penalty for being a sore winner, for gloating, for rubbing your win in an opponent's face, or being disruptive. That isn't what happened here. The judges are incredibly pathetic and immature.
Idk man, getting up on a lane line while competitors are still swimming is pretty disrespectful. I swam competitively (I was mediocre, not a record breaker), and we were always taught that when you finish, you stand and wait until everyone else finishes before you do anything else
@@Sklounst_Actualdude whos lane he entered was also finished genius
@@Sklounst_Actual AGREED! The judges were simply following the rule. Don't like the rules? Change them. The kid made a terrible mistake. He can learn to weave it into his life for the better if his coach and family help him. The lady announcer? She's wrong. You do NOT celebrate in someone else's lane when the race is still underway.
@@Sklounst_Actualmaking up rules that don’t exist AFTER someone has already broken the rule doesn’t mean anything. You people have mental issues
@@Sklounst_Actual Ur obviously crap at what you do if you believe what he did ruined the experience for the runner-up. If I was that athlete in second place, I would throw my medal into the guys lap and stated pubically that i'd came second. It isnt right and yet some people like you defend the stupid decision all because that would've hurt YOUR feelings.
He did not interfere with the other swimmer. The guy had already finished swimming. This needs to be protested! Stupid rule!
@@basnoordermeer4249gtfoh😂 you can’t even sit here and act like this wasn’t stupid asl jus stop.
I have to agree! Lloyd got this fair and square! Never liked that rule.
He crossed into an inactive lane (teammate was done swimming). So... how, exactly, is the rule "effective" in this case? Wouldn't it only be effective when applied to active lanes?@@basnoordermeer4249
@@basnoordermeer4249This is snowflake rule
@@basnoordermeer4249 yes, it was an incredibly stupid interpretation and use of that rule, and I say that as a swimming coach and ex pro swimmer. He didnt interfere with any other active swimmer, and the spirit of the rule is only about those. Such celebrations actually happen all the time even in Olympics without such stupid disqualifications happening. Mongoloid ref with a pathetic need to use their power, or someone with an agenda, vengence, or something.
who let a discord mod become a ref
Or a reddit mod
@@BungHolio-sf3yxdiscord mods are by far the worst
Now imagine a discord mod that is also a reddit mod @@Dicka899
Rule 2, Section 5, Article 1a. He DID NOT interfere with another swimmer.
Rule 2, Section 5, Article 1b. He WAS NOT an active swimmer who changed lanes during a heat. He had finished as did the other lane swimmer who had also finished. Both rules refer to active swimmers
He needs a lawyer and a Go Fund Me page
All the other people in the comment section who argue against the winner saying he just “broke the rules” need to see this
@@prabhav1788 well, the majority of people that say that just want to be different that's all
@@bernardkoey4087 yeah, kinda figured they were rage-baiting anyways
I don't know for the Go Fund me (??) but the lawyer, sure.
He's an NCAA kid in 2024. He doesn't need a GoFundMe now that he can get paid for this.
how miserable do you have to be to disqualify a kid for celebrating WITH his team mate AFTER the team mate already finished too! there was no “interference”. he made HISTORY.
a rule is a rule. not that hard to follow. cross the lane after everyone leaves. that's totally fine.
@@noob.168 do you want the officials number? I think he is looking for boot lickers.
@@noob.168 bootlicker alert
@@noob.168you must be fun at parties
@@noob.168 You must be fun to hang around
The #2 kid showed great courage of conviction.........a real team mate and a real man.
Absolutely. Impressive young man.
W mans
Dang it even sounds like the lady announcer was going to cry at the end
100%. He in protest stated he would not accept the default win, as Owen was the one who deserved the win.
ya man, imagine how embarrassing it is for the #2 swimmer, who didn't win #1 due to skill, and Owen didn't cheat nor disrupt.
Like anyone who is the #2 swimmer will know they didn't earn the medal, as witnessed LIVE on TV.
Judges clearly didn't think this through and made a haste, lack of human element, decision.
similar case of DQ on technicality but
Don Calhoun "He Made A Million Dollar Shot And They Didn't Want To Pay Him".
Even if "legally right", Michael Joran still felt its wrong.
Not even the announcers were on the ref’s side 😂
The "winner" giving his commentary in the end is an absolute champ and probably speaks for all of us
I love the teammate reaction, I love how eloquent he was and just jumped right into the rant. In all those emotions he didn't hesitate and still was so polite despide being furious. That's a true sportsman!
@user-se3kj5ej4d stop spamming.
Bruh he was so pissed he was almost shaking
@user-se3kj5ej4d No she didn't
@user-se3kj5ej4d Let the swimmer truly inspire you and WORK HARD to get what you want rather than begging.
I didn't like the teammate's reaction at all. Seems like a young man who lacks respect for authorities. A spoilt lil brat in other words. Should be disqualified from any kind of sports events 😮😮😮😮😮😮
That was ridiculous. If the swimmer was still swimming when he crossed into his lane, fine, but he was DONE. He “interfered” with nothing. Good on his teammate for standing by him and insisting he wouldn’t take the win under those circumstances. Someone with authority needs to strike that idiotic requirement from the rules. Outrageous.
Rule is rule.
@@RichyRich2607 ordinarily I would agree with you, but in this case, the rule needs to be re-examined. It was put in place to avoid swimmers from interfering in each other’s progress during the race, which he followed. To reprimand him for a post- race celebration is not what the rule was intended for
@@RichyRich2607this rule is dumb and pointless
@@RichyRich2607you must be fun to hang around with. 😒
@@American-g8z At least I wouldn't have been so stupid as to let myself be disqualified, especially as a professional. 😂👍🏻
His friend standing up for him was so awesome, a true show of loyalty
As an experienced Swim Coach myself I understand the rule, however if both swimmers have finished the race, referees need to apply some common sense. Every winner in swimming history celebrates like that! Pathetic officials.
Isn't other sanction possible for this mystake ? He broke le rule so sanction seem normal but discalification is just too high !
I have never seen two swimmers competing in the last heat and the rest were a lap behind +. what kind of beer league is that? there is no winner under FINA sitting a celebrating on lane until everyone is done
He broke the rules and got DQ. What's the problem?
@@DecodingWithJordan
Punishement is too strong regarding the fault.
@@Simon-if2hs but he broke the rules...
Owen's teammate is the definition of a true friend.
straight men always supporting each other’s questionable decisions, all in favor of protecting their warped values of patriarchy and machismo… disgusting
He might be, but honestly what else should he have said in that situation?
@@maximilianmaier3950he should have said "yeah he truly deserved that disqualification. Thanks everyone I'm better than him."
well said! a true athlete and a true friend right there
@@dashinblu lol that would've been so funny.
But seriously, what he said was exactly what pretty much every other athlete would've said in that situation, whether they really mean it or not.
If you would say something like you deserved the win and you start celebrating, everyone would think you're an asshole and even people who are actually assholes know that.
Imagine someone tells you his girlfriend broke up and you had a crush on her for years, you still would not say "oh great, finally she's free and i can hit on her"
who let a reddit moderator become a referee
LMAO true.
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Dude this is the best comment on UA-cam honestly this made me laugh!😂
😂😂
The most accurate comment ever. Reddit mods are truly awful
I can see the rule being applied to crossing into a lane with a swimmer who’s actively racing, but he crossed into a persons lane who had already completed the race. He wasn’t disrupting anyone. He had won fairly and was celebrating with a fellow teammate on an amazing performance. He did not deserve to be disqualified.
"i will not be standing up there" what a G.
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That’s the definition of a true friend.
"He will be getting that medal"
Not all heroes wear capes
Not only was the other swimmer finished, he hugged him. He legitimately was happy for him, and he did not care.
I hate what happened here. What makes it worse, is that OTHER swimmers were not done. The guy who he hugged was absolutely done, but somewhere off camera there was someone still going, and that is why my man was diqualified.
@@youngredstreams2667 Probably one of the judge's relatives.
@@youngredstreams2667 So what? The rule is there to prevent obstruction to people who are still swimming and he didnt do that at all. He crossed the line to celebrate with a teammate, not to get in the way of anyone else
yea celebrated with his teammate? in his teammates lane? who had already finished swimming? Not affecting anyone else? lmao goofy @@edwardflint6714
Same judges who allowed a man to swim against women
Respect to his teammate, that's a man with integrity.
@HelpMeplease991 you are some random teen who makes "music" and tryna get some attention for that cash by spamming comments with your alt account promoting your real account and trying to make your comment seem relevant by associating your comment with the video's topic
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Well his heart is in the right place but he was wrong to "defend" Lloyd. This implies that him being disqualified is at least potentially someone else's fault. That isn't the case. Lloyd disqualified himself and there is nothing that could be done about it. It is terrible and upsetting but, there is no injustice to right here.
@@joshuamorrison8332so I've seen a lot of people say that the Rule Lloyd broke is a discretionary rule which means the judges could've decided not to count it as in this case it didn't interfere with Ross who had already finished but they still decided to enforce the rule.
@@joshuamorrison8332 🤓
5:02 You can hear the commentator's voice actually feeling bad for that guy Man I wish swimming never had that rule
Disqualified for huggin his teammate when both were done swimming??? That’s ridiculous!!!
don't u just love america.
These crowd should have went after the judges
Other people were still swimming.
@@xiaokaSo what? That’s not th point, the rule is in place to stop finish swimmers from interfering with people still swimming. They were both done so the rule doesn’t apply. It’s literally his own teammate too
@@jurelrossanyonsmith-gk1pbbro what?
how to utterly destroy someone’s passion and strip away recognition for their hard work. genius refs you got there
I wouldn't have taken that. What a swimmer.
they got inspector javert working there
The ref a lqbtq supporter
@@zerohero-x8eJust come out of the closet, it isn't that hard. Stop that projection, you film projector!
@@slimeykadenza9293nah, at least Javert realized he was wrong, these people just get off Scott-free
Its like a middle manager enforcing the no phones rule while everyone is standing around waiting to leave 5 minutes before the end of the shift
Swimmer: "YES!!! I WON!! MY BEST TIME EVER!!!"
Referee: "Fun detected. Engaging emergency protocols."
No: Rules violation detected; psychopathy inferred.
It was the right thing to do : when he lets himself fall in the other lane, he makes waves that can affect the chrono of others swimmers. Imagine the first F1 pilot who finishes the race starts to make a burnout and makes smoke al overt the finish line. That's the same thing, and that was the right decison to disqualify him.
@@Zuriki_ but look how small those waves are
@@Zuriki_ “”””waves””””, bro he literally broke a record, who cares????
@mickeymousesupremency149 Having worked in the mental health field in numerous positions for over 25 years, including direct client care, and without yet searching Google, I'd say it means presenting the personality disorders and conditions of a psychopath. Now I WILL look it up: "Psychopathy is a neuropsychiatric disorder marked by deficient emotional responses, lack of empathy, and poor behavioral controls, commonly resulting in persistent antisocial deviance and criminal behavior." Bit of advice: the ad hominem is the worst fallacy of all: It instantly demonstrates you have gifted your opponent a very satisfying win.
For the teammate defending that excellent swimmer, that is a hell of a good example of sportsmanship.
I wouldn’t wanna win that way, even it means gold medal and higher price. Especially if it’s our own friend that we know so well
He's sticking up for his teammate.
If it were a guy from another team, *then* it would've been a "hell of a good example of sportsmanship".
He's a great white knight lol
he would be hated if he didn't react the way he did
Outstanding sportsmanship.
His teammate is such a chad on making that bold stand against that unfair disqualification.
@user-se3kj5ej4d I am just a fish
@user-se3kj5ej4d buhu
@user-se3kj5ej4dNo. No more content creators! Get a job.
Rules is rules my dear
@@billbailey7193 Discretion of the judge. He was just a dick
This is awful. These refs should lose their jobs and all credibility.
He and his teammate were already done with the race when he entered the other lane. That rule was specifically written to prevent interference while the race is still in progress. But as those two were already finished, he caused no interference. Major props to his teammates for supporting him and refusing the automatic win.
also no interference with those still racing, nobody for obvious reason noticed him celebrating because they were swimming and racing
Rule 2, Section 5, Article 1b: "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified." The heat hadn't finished. Stupid rule, that could be revised, but it is what it is. All sports have some unpopular rules but they certainly shouldn't be changed from play to play. It's the participants responsibility to be aware of them. Accountability...a value of the past?
@@roberthedrick1397 you realise what judges exist for right? if all we did was take rules for a sport at face value, judges wouldnt even have a job. they are there to decide technicalities and nuance. the spirit of the rule not the words. the world isnt black and white. i can tell you never watch sports and just want to wag your finger to pad your ego. he didnt interfere with other lanes still in progress, therefore most judges would deem no interference and let it fly but i guess the judges this time were similar to you. egotistical with their head in the clouds.
@@newp0rtThat guy is just copy pasting that comment in threads. Clearly never achieved anything and is resorting to demeaning others to make himself feel better. Pathetic.
@@newp0rt This is even more egregious when you see that the teammate who technically won by default of the disqualification said he wouldn't accept his own "win" either and admitted the guy won fair and square. I don't watch sports though, so I don't know much about the nuances of this, but I would be inclined to believe a judge is there to make the calls in line with the spirit of the rule on a case by case basis.
I have so much respect for the guy that came in 2nd to be such a good teammate and friend like that
Definitely incredible teammates sportsmanship. The right thing to do
Heat of the moment. Actually he'll regret that later. He'll wish he'd yelled "THERY'RE NOT FINISHED" to his buddy. One of them or another buddy has already learned this rule probably in grade school.
Team mate knew he was gonna go from 2nd to 1st.
😃👍 😄 😆 😅 🤣
It also plays a role in that the number 2 is now the number 1
The officials rendering this decision show us how pathetic some people can become when given power.
It is sad but other competitors can appel tge rule he broke and eventually still be eliminated. So it is bound to happen anyway
The USSR unfairly ruled, repeatedly, all during one year, that the opponents were disqualified, and in Australia’s case, after setting a record. They found loopholes in the rules, and they took advantage of them. This is the exact same sorta crap… the rules were changed after that year, and they should be changed again here.
10000%%%
@@mindofvirtuoso3358what rule did he break?
Yeah; I'm glad your approach isn't being too mean to the referees specifically. It's just too easy to be pathetic with power and it sucks.
The management team should be fired for this. This is completely unacceptable.
Congrats to the runner up for being so candid about his thoughts on the disqualification and for pointing out the ruling was stupid and unfair.
THank you for being Candid you sounds so nice alol lol
I like him, it was a great speech.
He’s probably about to be disqualified too 💀
giving up the medal and podium is one thing, but I doubt he is going to give up his spot moving forward to the bigger things as the #1 qualifier in this
Pants in public is a stupid and unfair rule. Yet still has to be followed
@@Calibrex_Gaming yep. Good point. That’s exactly the same.
Props to the guy who said he wasn't gonna take the glory while they snatched the obvious winner's dreams away. The referees made a fool out of that event and themselves.
i wouldnt do that, and he never did, he won it fair and square.
@@goodbyemr.anderson5065what do you mean, I hope you aren’t saying he didn’t give it to him. Cause they both came out and said that it was given to him, it’s in his room. It went to the rightful winner
@@zealotdraws3017Your overuse of pronouns makes it impossible to follow what you are saying.
@@philipmccracken697 no it doesn't lol
@@philipmccracken6973rd grader reading comprehension skills
Ross is a real one. No hesitation, pure sportsmanship.
He'd probably given him the 1st place medal afterward
@@ArdeactHe actually stated that was what he was going to do..right there..in this video🙄
Ross is the boss
@@reddragonready for real. Lmao.
@reddragonready for someone acting so smart and condescending you should be knowledgeable enough to know that maybe he didn’t see that part? You know the part at the END? He could have typed that before the end of the video? I know mindblowing
I have to hand it to you the champion for staying calm. I would have flipped my lid.
Crossing into the lane of someone who is still swimming would be a reasonable disqualification. But the swimmer in the next lane had finished also. This decision is totally bonkers.
That's what I'm saying... Dude was already done and even celebrated WITH him... WTF?!?
Yup. The referee is just a power obsessive human being. This decision tells a lot of his/her character.
Was this upheld?
That other finisher WAS HIS TEAMMATE
100%
As a swimmer, I always knew this rule. We had to wait for the last swimmer to finish before crossing into other lanes to congratulate the winner or a teammate... that being said, as long as a swimmer doesn't cross into an active lane, IT SHOULDN'T MATTER.
You'll break the buoy line. He's dumb. He deserved to be disqualified......you can't break things.
@sasquatchrosefarts9131 they buoy line was fine dumbshit. No he didn't deserve to be disqualified.
@@sasquatchrosefartsdid he break it though? No, he wasn't even close. Stop yapping
@sasquatchrosefarts9131 at practice, we would have to run sprints and do pushups if we were caught going over a lane line... and being tasked with restringing the line through the rings.
This DQ had nothing to do with the lane line, it would have been the same if he swam under it.
@@sasquatchrosefartsworst post ever...you must be a sore looser, because a winner would not have said what you did
I like how the judges don’t have enough balls to actually show themselves when making a dumb decision like that.
Afraid the spectators may chuck them in the pool😁
Bruh, the rules are there for a reason. Also nobody has to show themselves on camera for you to see. This is not a fight, people are just doing the job they are paid to do. It's not like the judges gain anything from him not winning. They are just doing their job.
@@webrevolution.found the judge
@@webrevolution. bro will lick anyone's boots christ almighty
@@webrevolution. They could have let it go. Rules are there for safety and fairness of the sport. In no way did his actions interfere with the outcome of the race. The fact that they are judges and could not use good "judgement" appears that they weren't doing their job
The ref never won anything in his life. What a sad miserable person. Evil
Huge respect to his teammate for standing up for him.
That would’ve been messed up if he didn’t
A redditor caught up in emotions he can’t control. “He will be getting that medal” lol ok I didn’t know he was in charge of the event
@@dh-uo4lt did you know boomers can steal your artwork, content, and ideas if you don’t have $100,000 to take to elaborate court? Yeah nobody cares anymore. We’re done with them forcing 9-5 dirt pay with $3500/mo to exist in a cubicle, being called lazy. We’re done being unable to defend ourselves, and having medals stolen over more nonsense “but technically the boomer rules matter and you don’t”. Maybe start questioning everything for once. What happened here is sickening and more proof of how corrupt the older generations have become. It’s become common place for them to rip off kids “to defend their honor system”. It’s corrupt, and power abuse. He obstructed nothing. More ok boomer rules shoved down everyone’s throat and they refuse to admit how wrong they are because the only thing that mattered here was the judges’ narcissistic ability to wield power. Envious egos watching attractive youthful athletes do something they can’t; nothing but miserable boomers plain as day and everyone can see it. We’re so sick of narcissism being boomer-splained away as “honor system and integrity of the very fabric of rules and systems themselves!” Nobody thinks swimming would self destruct if they had used common sense. It’s just evil abusers wielding mallets
@dh-uo4lt he's a pro athlete. you're the one talking online, not him.
@@jamescooke7243 the swimmer was pounding his chest like a low lQ
The purpose of this rule is clearly to deter swimmers from interfering with other swimmers still racing. Both of the swimmers involved here were obviously finished with the race.
Lloyd was disqualifed under rule 5.1b and has nothing to do with interference.
@@hottuna2006 It does bro, Section 5 Article 1 A-F are ALL labeled underneath "Interference" as a subsection to Fouls as a whole. It is quite literally only there so you don't unfairly interfere with other swimmers, going into a lane that has a swimmer that has already finished and is totally fine celebrating with you is not interference.
Could you please explain what the rule means instead of just sighting its number? I can't seem to find a list of rules for competitive swimming that has this numeration @@hottuna2006
@@chaotikkiller1617 not to mention the other swimmer was on his own team too
but the race wasn't over yet. You clearing don't understand racing, and I hope you try to race one day in any sport because its timeless tradition, that doesn't change for any generation, especially this one.
"He will be getting that medal"
The closest thing to "FU judges" without actually saying it.
Also an absolute daydream.
@@debrasnipes7431 Well, no. They are going to put that medal around his neck and he can easily take it off and give it to his teammate. Not super surprising that someone would do it, either. Who in hell wants a gold medal for a race in which everyone saw him finish second?
You just did! ...and rightfully so!
not second but first since one got disqualified . @@mrdevito2063
@@the_one_and_carpool the point went right over your head.
Ross is a true friend and showed true sportsmanship when he stood up for Lloyd that take guts.
Huge respect for his teammate standing up for him
Fr.
He still took the entry into the national championships 😂
@@oberpenneraffe.. I knew a tennis player who had a promising career ahead of her but just could not reach the top. She talked to a top coach who asked her what she would do if she saw her best friend on the ground, badly injured and begging for help. The woman said that she would stop and help. The coach told her that was the reason that she would never be a top flight player because they understand that the only thing they can think about is personal success. Nothing else mattered, and it appears that the team mate understood that the door of opportunity had opened for him.
@@johnvienta7622dang it’s rough but it makes perfect sense
@@johnvienta7622 Humility, honour, self accomplishment, sacrifice.
Those who reach the top by letting others fall are nothing more than winners. You have every right to do so, but achieving something at the detriment of someone else is not rewarding whatsoever. Literally takes the fun of it all too.
If you’re truly good at something, you’ll reach the top while making the ones who stand around you rise.
He didn’t get it. His competitors didn’t get it. The crowd didn’t get it. The TV reporters didn’t get it. This really isolates the judges.
Anyone with a brain got it. Don't break the rules.
@@user-fh2vx3hd6c bet you're fun at parties
@@user-fh2vx3hd6c Wow. I'm sorry officer.
@@user-fh2vx3hd6c What rule did he break? obviously no one understood
@@user-fh2vx3hd6c Anyone with a real brain understands that you can't interfere with a another swimmer that has already finished the race, plus it was his TEAMMATE, it's not like he fell into a random competitors lane while they were still racing, that would have been uncalled for
That rule is the equivalent of a baseball player celebrating a home run by giving someone running to the plate behind him a high five after he goes over the plate, and getting the homerun disqualified because of it, it makes no sense and everyone knows it
Crazy how much people love to use authority to ruin other people's fun.
On the point, that is also why our society is so fucked up unfortunately. Power with the wrong hands and you can clearly see how everything is ruined year by year..
Sad people with no power over their own lives so they try to take it out on others. Pathetic humans.
Yeah, who needs to have rules!?
@@mintymusnot stupid rules lmao dumb
@@mintymus Tyrannical rules are shit, normal rules are ok
i hope that ref gets fired and that stupid rule gets taken out bc omg he looks so disappointed, he knew that win could’ve gotten him somewhere and all that hard work for nothing?
Her name is Bailey Grossetti
Wow, this is truly disappointing, imagine getting your best time and accomplishing something you train so hard for after 14 minutes of intense swimming and you get it all taken away because you celebrated with your friend? It didn't impede other active swimmers in any way, this is a serious lapse in judgement by the referees and I really feel for Owen here
Indeed it quite unbelievable and on the one hand senseless. However, he was not disqualified for celebrating. He was disqualified for crossing his lane while the race was not finished. The question is: what do the rules say? And if you had to write the rules, at what point in time do you consider crossing the lanes as acceptable/ unacceptable? For sure one cannot blame officials for following the rules, nor can you blame whoever wrote the rules for not writing a chapter about such a basic rule. After all the race is not over until the last person crosses the line: it is a form of respect.
Did the decision stand?
Hi!
Yeah
@@pierrebugeja9308 doesn't effect any racers, you know why the rule was made, we all know why the rule was made, the swimmer did nothing overly wrong
I just imagine the NCAA Officials smiling as he's breaking down. Legit scumbags for doing this.
What does that stand for?
National Collegiate Athletics Association@@gunnar1797
@@gunnar1797 National Collegiate Athletics Association. They are the governing body for college sports in the US
It's not the NCAA. It's ACC officials in this case.
It's most likely retaliation towards NC State by disgruntled ACC members. NC State has the current head of the ACC and all the big schools (Clemson, UNC, FSU) have a grudge against him for various reasons related to other sports@@rustytutton9473
Even if they decide (under public pressure) to give him back his winning, it's way too late. They've taken away his genuine excitement and happiness. Unbelievable!
I feel so bad for Lloyd. He was at his biggest high AND his lowest low in such a short amount of time. I can’t imagine the anguish ,,,
Nothing those judges do can ever bring that moment back for him. They need to be fired
@HelpMeplease991go watch Darksydephil. He has tips on how to get people to give you things with very little effort.
Literally breaking a massive record in his senior year of college swimming in a really intense long-distance swim. That was such an unnecessary call for an ambiguous rule that doesn't seem to apply to what we all see here. That must have been soul crushing. But we all know he smashed that record and even though it is too late it will be good if they reverse that call and he gets his official record.
soft disagree
hard disagree, not like the excitement is the main thing here and he would regain some excitement and faith in common decency
"How dare he jump over while I am still breathing? Also he has the audacity to smile!? How can I make him as miserable as I am"
-Judge/Reddit Mod
His teammate was a class act with that " he will be getting that medal"
Totally agree
well I don't want to be that guy but.... I'm a terrible human being and even I wouldn't want that hunk of metal, It doesn't feel earned, where's the pride in it?
that alone is enough for both to earn
@@bungiecrimes7247 What do you mean
@@qqy He means the guy who came in second, he wouldn't want the medal because he didn't deserve it, Lloyd deserves it
His team mate is a legend for standing up and defending his team mate.
I wished I could see how he stayed on podium for the second, leaving the top empty. Did that happen?
His teammate did what he was supposed to do.
Class act.
Using the word legend loosely… I bet you call your mom a legend for her driving you to school.
@@sforza209those are 2 complete different scenario’s
That’s like a dick move you’d expect from a school PE teacher who always had a grudge against you during the entire school year for no reason.
@@lopez8277is your brain dented?
@@lopez8277 grow up
@@lopez8277 >> that would be cheating
How is celebrating with his teammate, who had ALSO completed the race, even _slightly_ cheating?
True@@mbg4681
@@lopez8277How stupid are you??
I played soccer almost all my life, touching a ball is so different compared to cheering your win with your teammate that already finished the swim as well.
You must have a rough life for being so cruel. Touching a ball is literally everything against soccer. Since you can only use your feet😭😭💀
This has happened before. In 2001 the entire Australian Womens 4x200m swim team was disqualified after winning at the 2001 World Swimming Championships in Fukuoka and celebrating too early by jumping into the water, before all teams had finished the race.
This is some Umbridge level bs. How spiteful do you have to be to rob someone of their greatest achievement for virtually no reason?
Hilarious that Umbridge is so intolerable she gets her own tier of bullshittery
Someone got bullied as a kid and just couldn't let it go. Huge loser.
@@thefootballer777 Bro she is a menace, no level of BS is on par with hers 🤣
There is a reason. Nobody watches this sport, but this video has 4M views.
@@Rinshun_it's blowing up fast too, was 3.8M just a few hours ago!
Respect for the "winner" for declaring he won't accept following the stupid disqualification into a lane which had also finished.
Disqualification is totally in line with the written rules.
The only person that did anything stupid is the swimmer who threw away a good run.
Also, anyone defending him and attacking the officials for doing their job.
Meaning you.
You are stupid.
Not only that but the lane he fell into was his own teammate that had also finished the race.
@@garystanfield2274
So it's fine to just run red lights as long as the lane is free?
Is that how you think the world works?
@@mitchtherevolution Read my comment, I'm sticking with it. whether you like it or not.
@@garystanfield2274
Read the rules, follow the rules or get disqualified like an idiot.
If you want to root for team stupid, then be my guest.
He absolutely did Not "Interfere with an ongoing race".The lane he went into was his Teammate's and He'd Finished. This is sickening. Years of hard work taken for a nonsense call. They Must reinstate his Record time, and allow him to continue his career in the Nationals as He Earned.
It's like they made the call out of pure spite.
Yeah they should be make a rule for every case...
He egregiously went into another player's lane and was rightfully disqualified. I would have banned him for the rest of the year for such a shocking display of behavior.
lol you troll@@LHS427
@@LHS427bait
Ross, mad props to you. Not just for standing up for a team mate, but for a FRIEND. God will bless you for this.
"Interference with another swimmer" implies that you interfered with their qualifying time. Both swimmers were obviously finished at this point.
Rules exist.
So does logic @@planetvegan7843
@@planetvegan7843and so do stupid rules. This is one of them
@@planetvegan7843 only idiots follow idiotic rules
@@planetvegan7843they do exist, well done. Job done. Black and white thinking in place. Clearly you are a great team member in whatever job you do. Anyone would be happy to have you.
When I clicked this I expected him to get disqualified for showing out and being obnoxious. This is so much worse, that poor young man wasn’t being obnoxious at all, the judges were in my opinion
My heart just sank for him. I know what its like to have something you worked so hard for taken from you in an instant. Its gut wrenching and it can make anyone break down and cry. I'm not a very emotional person but when it happened to me I bawled my eyes out in front of everyone.
@@jettthewolf887 those judges definitely hate their life
@jettthewolf887 heheh "sank"
"Hey so even though you just beat your personal best by 4 seconds, won a conference championship, and punched a ticket to nationals, we couldn't help but notice that you got a little too happy about all that..."
Exactly we’re all human and it’s a stupid rule anyway!
@@billweeks9606I'm sure ladies are pleased around you
@@billweeks9606his excitement shown through him literally hopping over to celebrate with his teammate (who had already finished swimming). *Its a dumb rule.* Just accept it
@@billweeks9606it's also illegal to walk down the street with an ice cream cone in your back pocket in some states. Don't you think some rules are plain dumb?
@@billweeks9606 how bout you breakdown that rule for us? How tf did his action disrupt the race in anyway??
This should've been a "Great job bud, don't cross the lanes next time. Here's your trophy."
"He WILL be getting that medal" what a friend good for him
Yeah it's a nice touch but unfortunately the official results will show that the medal is not his and that's all people will look at. Shame
@user-se3kj5ej4d womp womp 🤡
@user-se3kj5ej4d what?? shamelessly self promoting with an unrelated comment. There are better ways to reach people.
Straight up Battle Buddy.
@@ALBINO1D It's not even a real user. Just a farm bot with stolen content. Don't waste your time lol
You can hear the emotion in the announcers voice "that young man deserved that win"
She even said she was gonna cry
@GregaJohn-gb6ev never hit the dislike button quicker
@GregaJohn-gb6evbeggars are corny.
@@rinethadweller its a bot lmao
@@rinethadwellerThey're also cheesy.
The people that disqualified him should be ashamed of themselves
all sport judges are there for the power trip. shame is not compatible with that desire.
A young man trains hard his whole life to become the best!
An old POS gets to judge him in 2 seconds, ruining everything he's worked for. Human beings suck. Society sucks. The more you know 🌈
thats what you young kids think these days. Rules are put in place in society for reasons. doesnt matter circumstance.
@@mikegrazio5376the judges could have given them all a warning before, plus it's ridiculous to disqualify someone just because they celebrated their long awaited victory 💀
God loves you all
This is so heartbreaking, to have that striped from him after months or probably years of hard work, tears and sweat, just for that moment to get taken away from him. I swear like the reffs (people who are just they to judge and to keep score) really enjoy just taking the fun out of everything it seems like. They need to do better!
For what it's worth, millions of people watching this video who would have not known otherwise, now know how great of a swimmer he is. He's the champ for everyone else, but the official results.
Yeah, I hadn't heard his name before, but seeing him here, that was an absolutely incredible athleticism he's shown. Clearly a life's work of training and dedication behind it, and I would very likely not have witnessed any of this if not for the disqualification. Still unjust, but I believe this is sort of a way to give him in some form or amount what he deserves for all of his hard work and commitment to becoming this level of athlete.
He is so good that he has received a disguised blessing
I hate to be a pessimist, but how does the court of public opinion's view on this matter? Does he get to compete in nationals with his friend? I may have misunderstood, but does this disqualification not mean that his ticket to nationals is basically gone?
For the record, I'm 1000% in support of this dude's accomplishment, but I just don't see how the crowd's boos have any effect. Though from reading other comments, I hope his appeal to whatever regulators gets him his medal and ticket to nationals
@@Samuel85228 It doesn't help him within the bounds of the competition, but I know for sure that in this situation, it would really soften the blow to know the public sees the situation as I do. It might not help me in any measurable way, but it would alleviate the anger and such by a lot. Not everyone works that way, but it's possible he might too.
@@Samuel85228 Why do people boo when a bad call is made in any sport? The rule the ref used was a rule with "at the discretion of the judge" in it so the judge for some reason thought he interfered with the race. Everyone in the crowd unanimously disagreed, the boos may have an effect of we never want this guy to judge again because he makes calls that don't make sense to people who also know the rule.
There is such a thing as the spirit of the rule. The spirit of the rule is crossing over into another competitor's lane who is still swimming, NOT the lane where your teammate is done swimming.
Exactly - the rule actually references "interference" with another swimmer. I bet the turd who called him on this rule was peeing his panties to get to someone and get this enforced.
This is it right here 💡
I commented the same thing and then saw yours. You beat me to it. But, you're exactly right. They ignored the spirit to follow the letter, missing the entire point of the rule. So dumb.
WHy I hate competitive sports. People being a-holes.
no
IF he'd crossed into a swimmer's lane who hadn't finished that ruling would be accurate. But no interference took place... WTF...
The judges are correct.
You don't go into another lane or get out until all swimmers have finished. That's the rule and he would be aware of it.
He screwed up.
@@fireskycam9889 read the rule book again
@@fireskycam9889 The rule might state for interference, but no other swimmer in that race would have been affected by what he was doing, the lane he fell into was finished too. I could understand if he was still swimming but should not have been a dq
@@fireskycam9889 Stop being a spaniel you're whole life. Rules are there to remedy problems - not to be blindly adhered to. The point of the rule is to stop interference between swimmers - yet he went into the lane of a FINISHED swimmer.
So the kid so much better than the others that he had the time to finish, realize he won, see he has an incredible time, go over a lane scream how happy proud he is before dropping in the other lane that already finished. BUT when he did there was still people not finished and that wen't agaisn't him?
He won. He did nothing wrong. Judge is a morron.
This is something you'd normally only see in WWE. This is still unbelievable.
Ok but Lloyds teammate here is a real one, refusing to take his position as first place and defending Lloyd with all he had.
Would Vegeta want to beat Goku because of a "technicality"?
@Dontlookmyplaylist00 most sane bot:
You're a nut case!@Dontlookmyplaylist00
They'll DQ him for protesting.
referee needs fired, period. they can interpret rules in other sports they can do it here too. Fire that pos.
it was literally his teammate too and they had BOTH finished the race, his teammate was even celebrating with him. this league needs new judges. jeez.
@user-se3kj5ej4d Beg elsewhere.
@user-se3kj5ej4d insane cap
@user-se3kj5ej4dshut up bot
@user-se3kj5ej4dyour parents never said that
Right??? It’s some stupid technicality that was more than likely a judgement call. I can’t believe they wouldn’t give him the benefit of the doubt. I cannot imagine working that hard, for so long, only for the judges to destroy his accomplishments for seemingly no good reason.
I can't believe judges did this and stuck to this decision. That so stupid to disqualify an athlete like that. He didn't interfere with anybody, his teammate had already finished his race, that "during a heat" part of the rule was completely dismissed somehow. So stupid, unreasonable and downright cruel thing to do. Shame on those judges.
Heat was still on as the other competitors were not done.
@@panoramlx it was over for his teammate, whose lane he crossed. how on earth did he interfere with other swimmers?
@@sekatort Unfortunately, the rules apply to all heats. Not just adjacent lanes.
@@panoramlx The Rules as they are presented in the description of the video:
- Rule 2, Section 5, Article 1a: "Any competitor who interferes with another swimmer during a race shall be disqualified from that race, subject to the discretion of the referee..."
He did not interfere with another competing swimmer. His teammate had finished his race, so Owen did not cause any problems to him when he was racing.
- Rule 2, Section 5, Article 1b: "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified."
Ambiguous. If you take "heat" as a race which ends when every athlete has finished their swim, then rule applies. However, both swimmers in those 2 lanes had already finished their races, which means the heat for them was over. They were no longer a part of the heat.
But the thing is, instead of blindly following the rules, especially when they're not oh so clear, you should rely on the initial intent that rules were written for, and basic reason, after all. Many times rules are not perfect - in the end they are written by people and could be very flawed
@@sekatort The race was not over. Also, look up the definition of "interfere"
“You’re disqualified”
“For what”
“Interfering with someone who already finished”
at @0:51 you can see someone in the background still swimming. How is that swimmer "finsihed" if he is still swimming? Does winning a race mean you can decide for everyone else in the heat they are finished?
@@WillieLau-m3ehe didnt cross over and interfere with the other person swimming though?
IF a swimmer can decide when other swimmers are "finished" then why doesn't the Last place swimmer then decide all those in front of him "Finished before he touched the wall" and therefore HE is the winner? This would mean he would win correct?
This is why your logic doesn't make sense. A swimmer cannot officially decide for other swimmers they are finished. IF they could then it would about which swimmer decided other swimmers finished first.
IF this was the case what is the point of racing? OR measuring times?
PArt 2:
The NCAA rules say :
NCAA Swimming & Diving Rule 2-5-1-b, a section called FOULS with the article titled INTERFERENCE, states, "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified."
1. HE changed lanes
2. @0:50 someone is still swimming (there for the heat is still running.
3. heat is finished when LAST swimmer finishes.
SO using your logic Lloyd had the right to decide that the swimmer at @0:50 finished (eventhough he was still swimming) and that the heat was over, therefore what he did was OK.
@@WillieLau-m3e bro , it wasn’t that deep 😭🙏 Arguing and stating SOURCES to argue with in UA-cam COMMENTS is absurd
He crossed the lane to a teammate who was already finished.
To celebrate.
That is the dumbest ruling use on a situation calling for it ever.
The kid trained a very long time for that event. Then to take it from him with such reasoning?
Uncalled for. Very unsportsmanlike as a judge. That judge or judges should be banned from these events for that call.
This needs to be overturned.
Ten four!
rules are rules
@@AiVaultGuyRules are made for a reason, to blindly follow them is ignorant at best. Context is very important
@@AiVaultGuy and he didn’t break any rules as he didn’t interfere with the other swimmer’s race. both swimmers were done when he crossed into the other lane
@@gonnn777F "nO gUyS, yOu DoN't uNdErStAnD. We sHoUlD AlL jUsT FoLlOw tHe RuLeS eVeN WhEn tHeY DoN't mAkE SeNsE tO bE PuT iNtO eFfEcT"
"lane 4 was disqualified for crossing into another competitor's lane before finishing"
my brother in christ he was done swimming
Some people were like "but the others weren't done swimming" like my brother in christ how would those little splashes he made "interfere" with the others
before the race itself was finished.. there were other swimmer still racing... but still a stupid decision in this case but rule is rule i guess wcy
@@ComicallyStupid-t9y those are the rules. He knows them.
Rules are Rules
@@ComicallyStupid-t9y That's not the point, but nice try.
I can literally feel the anger as his teamate is speaking
@GregaJohn-gb6evcry and I'll think about it
Prop's to the teammate for sticking up to what's right! That was a sad ruling
Judge: Goood goood! I can _feeel_ your anger.
wow you must be psychic
@@AdamFontenet-jf3qpare you stupid or something, that swim punched his ticket to the ncaa natty
This is how exactly youtube enforces it's community guidelines lol
This was literally one of those moments where an official is free to interpret a rule as they personally see fit. The rule exists to prevent any interference of another swimmer before the race is finished. 0 swimmers were interfered with. The official is an asshole. Honestly I think the crowd should have gone on riot.
And on top of that consider the following. Some nasty competitor deliberately takes an hour to complete the heat so noone can exit the pool or they are disqualified. To all the blind sheep reciting "rules are rules", I guess you did not think of that.
Nah, it was more so the rules being shit to begin with. Judges make decisions based on the rules, and try to not do it on their own opinions, and its most likely this was always never allowed and they're just applying that. Awful, but probably absolutely not the judges fault, but whoever makes the rules for the national qualification.
@@tortoisewarrior4855100% the judges fault, making a judgement call in that situation, reaching the decision “let’s take away this kids medal for celebrating with his teammate who finished even though he interfered with no one” 🤡
Whoever decided this, should show his name and face.
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How is the rule shit?
You cant interfere with other swimmers, seems like a most obvious rule, Otherwise whats stopping you from kicking, punching or biting a swimmer to beat him?
I agree with the judges, the race wasnt over, and hes blocking other lanes.
Should only be considered a violation if the lane being entered is still unfinished.
Exactly
Exactly my thoughts!
too true
The problem is probably not the sport and the rules. The problem are the people of the past, who exploited the non existence of such rules. That is why we put rules like these in place and we have to live with it.
right?! like they said that he went in before lane 5 finished but he literally didn't 💀
Its obviously not in the spirit of the rule to disqualify someone for "interfering with another swimmer" when there was no swimmer interfered with.
That isn't the rule. The rule is you can't enter another swimmer's lane while the race is not yet finished, period.
It's no different than the 100m in track and field. You leave your lane you're DQd, period. Makes no difference if you actually interfere with another runner or not.
@@Rowgue51you don’t get dq’d in track if, after you cross the finish line, you enter another lane lmao i ran track but keep talking from your couch buddy
@@Rowgue51 the video specifically stated the refs ruled they were disqualified for "interference with another swimmer, hence the quotes.
Regardless, if instead he was DQd because you can't enter another swimmers lane while the race isn't completely over, period, there's the argument that the race WAS completely over in both lanes in question, and none of his actions interfered with any lanes that still had a race going on.
Again regardless of any of that, I doubt the spirit of the rule was to prevent celebrating a record swim with the person beaide you, who is also finished. The intention of a rule/law can matter more than the actual wording.
@enny2218The rule is right there in the video description "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified". He changed lanes. The heat wasn't over. There's no talk of interference in the rule. I agree, bullshit rule, but if that's the rule it needs to be enforced... this guy won't be the first one to be disqualified for it... maybe he can be the last if the rule is changed though.
@@abhibeckertno it was over and he didn't interfere with anyone.
Its hilarious how the same people that wanna be stuck up about such bs, will gladly have a man race women and dominate them, sometimes even Injuring them in some sports where there's contact.
The abuse of power on display is sickening, so is the sobbing of the this young man, very contrasting to the screaming and chest pounding moments before.
Props for the judge for letting 3.5M people witness greatness opposed to a few thousand
His reaction made it worth it
Great point 👉
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Big law suit , who made that decision? Its not like that lane was still swimming
Sorry, pal. Your backhanded wit gets a you a forehanded rebuke: There's no sport without competitors. Like so many other things, it's all about RESPECT.