Grey Talon is King - Meta Report Ep. 4

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  • Опубліковано 14 лис 2024

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  • @Deathy
    @Deathy  15 днів тому +57

    Here's the builds for people who don't check video description:
    Salty's Spirit Talon: 126856
    MikaelS Spirit Build: 130880
    shhhhh: 77231
    Deathy's Gun Mirage: 115158
    Tank Wraith by RinaVX: 15302

    • @Epindary
      @Epindary 15 днів тому +2

      Lystic talon build is way better imo, been spamming him after the buffs.

    • @Jeremy-zh8ee
      @Jeremy-zh8ee 15 днів тому +1

      Rina Wraith build is kinda outdated no? You can't proc mystic burst until you get quicksilver reload right cause cards wont do 80 damage until you get 3 spirit items.

    • @Aganoize
      @Aganoize 15 днів тому

      @@Jeremy-zh8ee quicksilver is separate instance, so you can't use qs to proc.

    • @Jeremy-zh8ee
      @Jeremy-zh8ee 15 днів тому

      @@Aganoize That's not what i mean at all. With just mystic burst and extra charge Wraith does not have enough damage with her cards to proc mystic burst. So rushing these two items early isn't great anymore on Wraith because you cannot proc mystic burst until you get more ability power, or 3 ranks into cards. A third spirit item will give you enough power on the cards to be able to proc it. So in Rina build you cant actually proc mystic burst on cards until you get a third spirit item, in this case the next spirit item in the build was quicksilver reload. So in that build you cannot proc mystic burst early in lane when its strong anymore.

    • @brubie7584
      @brubie7584 14 днів тому +1

      @@Jeremy-zh8ee they took out burst, it updated yesterday. Mystic burst procs with just infuser tho or extra spirit

  • @sorin_markov
    @sorin_markov 15 днів тому +220

    McGinnis having 50 viable strategies and the best ones changing every week is getting difficult to keep up with

    • @limear
      @limear 15 днів тому +43

      Feels like her and Abrams are allowed to be war criminal-tier forever while others get smacked down after 1 patch of being on top

    • @sorin_markov
      @sorin_markov 15 днів тому +1

      Ok aside from support McG, which is always meta in top-tier play

    • @Deathy
      @Deathy  15 днів тому +44

      Yeah, I didn't put her in this because while she is still a top tier hero, I think the most viable build for her I've covered in the past (Support McGinnis). Now you can do Support McGinnis and have turrets and it's still insane

    • @sorin_markov
      @sorin_markov 15 днів тому +16

      @@limear Abrams is fine because he doesn't scale well into the late game. He's a strong laner and midgame pick hero, but late game honestly he's kinda meh. I've never felt threatened by an Abrams past 25k souls or so. McG is fundamentally problematic because of wall lol, but I main her so don't tell the devs pls. She's still hard to play right, at least

    • @ilevitatecs2
      @ilevitatecs2 15 днів тому +8

      @@sorin_markovshe’s likely the easiest hero to play right now

  • @MjolnirJM
    @MjolnirJM 15 днів тому +37

    Really finding your content voice deathy. Love how short sweet and to the point these are thank youj.

  • @Gister
    @Gister 15 днів тому +13

    I've always been a cold front enjoyer. It's so easy mid-late game to walk past a neutral camp, activate it, and continue walking away with a "0-second" camp clear. It's especially nice on wave minions since they got the spirit resist buff.

  • @jakuber168
    @jakuber168 15 днів тому +53

    Deathy gunna be the Warowl of deadlock

  • @gamingmechanoid9927
    @gamingmechanoid9927 15 днів тому +9

    Thanks for making these Deathy! Would be a good idea to show off how your tier lists have changed since the past patch or, perhaps, a section where you say "these are the top initiator heroes, these are the top "carry" heroes, these are the top support heroes". Something like that would help out a lot of people who are currently focusing on a limited hero pool and want to get into a particular role in their Ranked games.

    • @Deathy
      @Deathy  15 днів тому +2

      Very true!

    • @cagxplays9602
      @cagxplays9602 15 днів тому

      dynamo is obviously the best character in the entire game, no im not biased at alllll.

  • @yo-nm7hs
    @yo-nm7hs 15 днів тому +2

    really appreciate these meta reports keep doing em

  • @Jaegerminor
    @Jaegerminor 15 днів тому +26

    Your recommended wraith build has mystic burst first item which does nothing after the recent patches, even after extra charge it will still only do 79 and not proc mystic burst before the T2 upgrade or another source of spirit.

    • @Deathy
      @Deathy  15 днів тому +27

      Yeah, he's updating it right now, good catch!

    • @eebbaa5560
      @eebbaa5560 15 днів тому +4

      mystic burst is one of those cope items that people will always say is good even when it effectively does nothing for most heroes. same with mystic shot

    • @yellowtitan6040
      @yellowtitan6040 15 днів тому +5

      @@eebbaa5560 how is mystic shot anything less than an auto-buy on any spirit build? It combos with all the spirit debuff items and still gives decent weapon damage. What tier 2 weapon item do you think people should be buying over it?

    • @eebbaa5560
      @eebbaa5560 15 днів тому +1

      @ i think most of the tier 2 weapon items are not that good, but the ones that i buy often are kinetic dash, berserker, and sometimes soul shredder bullets. i feel like mystic shot falls off too hard for it to be good, and by the time you get other effects to proc with mystic shot, you’ll probably need a better item by that point in the game.

    • @bagofbananas790
      @bagofbananas790 15 днів тому

      ​@@yellowtitan6040i will say this. Mystic Shot isn't that good on Seven specifically because his 3 is just permanent Mystic Shot. Not to say I disagree with what you said completely, just that Seven is an outlier

  • @eossoon
    @eossoon 15 днів тому +3

    idk if I'm playing against Vindicta incorrectly as Infernus, but she's dominating me especially in solo lane. I really don't have much trouble in terms of match ups this patch other than her. The buff on her ultimate hit radius is actually much more impactful than I thought, especially in early game. Maybe it's my ping but it seems like she can hit me behind cover- I often flame dash out of danger when I hear her floating and turn on her ult, but she will often hit me even after I dash behind some object. I believe that she's hitting me, but visually it doesn't feel very fair, so maybe valve can update the visuals so that the bullet beam is wider or her laser is more accurate to where she's firing.

    • @ohnoitsu1
      @ohnoitsu1 12 днів тому

      I think Vin is just a stronger early game carry than Infernus, and so you're already on the back foot. She deals way more bullet damage and heck even her crow would have more spirit burst damage than your burn early. Have you seen Deathys video on freezing lane? I tried it recently as infernus versus a paradox (another monster to lane against) and she could not do a single thing. No idea if it's appropriate against Vin as I'm still exploring the technique myself but man it was so effective.

  • @jasonvantrease8687
    @jasonvantrease8687 15 днів тому +1

    for someone that doesn't have a ton of research/experimentation time these reports are great. you mentioned other content possibilities; I would love to have a meta build list. just a quick explanation of the meta build for each character or a build recommendation video. I know you covered this for a few characters in the patch but a more comprehensive list would be great.

  • @mikehockertz4570
    @mikehockertz4570 15 днів тому

    Thanks for always doing this, Deathy!

  • @griffinhammer8574
    @griffinhammer8574 15 днів тому

    Thanks for the build updates I have been playing a lot of Wraith and will need to give this build a try tonight.

  • @misha7968
    @misha7968 15 днів тому +1

    good job bro. ur voiceover quality has definitely improved. keep it up

  • @GREG_WHEREISTHEMAYO
    @GREG_WHEREISTHEMAYO 15 днів тому +2

    Great video, I'll have to see if I can fit Phantom Strike into my Abrams build. I probably could sell Majestic leap for it since that item falls off in the late game

    • @cagxplays9602
      @cagxplays9602 15 днів тому +1

      why do you run leap over warpstone? You cant use leap mid combat.

    • @eebbaa5560
      @eebbaa5560 15 днів тому +3

      why would you even buy majestic leap on abrams? that sounds awful. waste of a green slot and an active item when your ult pretty much does the same thing.

    • @MinecraftianPony
      @MinecraftianPony 13 днів тому

      @@eebbaa5560 I like maj leap as abrams for solely for lane swapping and split pushing, the cooldown still hurts even with the minor buff recently, but Abrams has so many good options to start fights that using it to throw yourself at enemies feels like a waste. It just gives a bit more zippy movement to a character that walks like a tank. Also, maj leap ZMC is like crack on all characters

  • @Thi_M_2721
    @Thi_M_2721 15 днів тому

    I've been playing a melee lash build, and if you charge glass Cannon you can deal more than 650 damage with a heavy melee, and if you add the insane damage of the slam (of a spiritual build) you get practically a one shot in enemies that are behind that your souls mark. and if you use phantom strike to chase and finish mobility characters is almost a guaranteed kill in mid late game. my MMR inst very high so probably enemies could parry youif they are very good but is worthing to try it

  • @knave-of-hearts
    @knave-of-hearts 15 днів тому +3

    Bros I can't play one more game with McGinnis. Not a single one, my soul cannot endure.

  • @brunobsp93
    @brunobsp93 15 днів тому

    thx for this, really appreciate the meta report videos

  • @bballer3712
    @bballer3712 14 днів тому

    I swapped Siphon Bullets for Inhibitor on my googun build, really good combo. Also, Long Range in general has been so good with the buffs to sniping heros. Really good balance to this patch rn

  • @27_TJM
    @27_TJM 15 днів тому

    The Tank Wraith build is where it’s at🔥

  • @ag0n1an
    @ag0n1an 13 днів тому

    Good stuff Deathy.

  • @sergeantgates2922
    @sergeantgates2922 15 днів тому +1

    Spirit vindicta is not bad but she does not get bullet dmg from spirit scaling, she gets fire rate.
    Also apparently Improved burst has a bugged interaction currently with ult, the extra dmg is counted as a separate instance so if it gets the final blow you will not get the bonus souls.

  • @maxoftheinternet5206
    @maxoftheinternet5206 15 днів тому

    this is super userful. please do this each patch.

  • @ACarson8500
    @ACarson8500 15 днів тому

    Love the meta report! Thanks Deathy :)

  • @childrens_casino
    @childrens_casino 15 днів тому

    Id love to see more vod reviews of either casual/ranked games or scrims/tournies where you either did good or bad, but showcasing what you did right/wrong on both micro and macro. I know those vids can take some time to make and be quite long, but gaddam i love a long vid

    • @childrens_casino
      @childrens_casino 15 днів тому

      Or maybe take a page out of wohojins book and start vod reviewing your viewers. People love watching them selves

  • @Noton18
    @Noton18 14 днів тому

    Def gonna try the wraith build😎

  • @terribletimmy2
    @terribletimmy2 15 днів тому

    Been thinking about siphon bullets on haze a lot recently. Really need to give that a try.

  • @Dashy820
    @Dashy820 14 днів тому

    ive used this grey talon build for like 8 games and holy shit i felt like a literal raid boss each time lmao only hard matchup for me is warden early game but thats it once i get unstoppable tho its gg tysm for that build

  • @bradbarnett4111
    @bradbarnett4111 15 днів тому

    This is perfect for content. So hard to keep up with the constant changes

  • @davidjvaliente
    @davidjvaliente 15 днів тому

    Love these! keep them comin

  • @alwaysgosnowboarding
    @alwaysgosnowboarding 15 днів тому +2

    Do you lean more gun/spirit lash these days? Would you go bullet lifesteal/leech - or healing booster?

    • @Deathy
      @Deathy  15 днів тому +7

      I'm still playing spirit lash

    • @srPy43
      @srPy43 15 днів тому

      Gunlash sucks in mid-lategame after the gun nerfs

  • @shawnstarmusic
    @shawnstarmusic 15 днів тому

    good vids. gonna turn on notifications

  • @jensgur
    @jensgur 15 днів тому

    Love your stuff deathy. What's your go-to Warden build rn?

  • @MrBjornoes
    @MrBjornoes 15 днів тому

    thx for the great info! nice vid!

  • @jacobl4699
    @jacobl4699 15 днів тому

    I think it could be interesting for you to look at important moments from your own or others games and give some insight on what good micro gaming looks like

  • @whatisname2936
    @whatisname2936 15 днів тому

    Picked up talon the second the weekly patch dropped without ever playing him and was playing pocket/geist.
    Aside from all the broken aspect and needing a nerf or whatnot, I think his ult needs adjustments.
    Sometimes when I ult I would randomly get assists on the map for flying around which shouldnt be a thing, and I think you should receove the spirit stacks on ult if you get a kill assist with ur ult if you did dmg to them with your ult.

    • @srPy43
      @srPy43 15 днів тому

      Visual bug, you don't get the perma spirit

  • @GoblinManSam
    @GoblinManSam 14 днів тому

    I've been playing around a build I made which is a spirit ult focused mirage that I've been finding really fun. I put superior cooldown on the ult get diviner's kevlar. 700 bullet shield, 1245 spirit shield and 126 spirit on ult on a 54 second cooldown. you can also just cancel the ult channel to get the effect of kevlar. Once I get veil walker it turns into 950 bullet shield and 1495 spirit shield than my team never has a fair 1v1 ever again. Like I split push see a mcginnis trying something nope tp. seeing a teammate 1v1 someone nope tp. 138819 is the build if anyone wants to try.

  • @mirroredimage577
    @mirroredimage577 15 днів тому +1

    Let's see Hydrations spirit talon

  • @KyMiyu
    @KyMiyu 14 днів тому

    Looks like feets' back on the menu bois!
    -some ork probably

  • @sambone2809
    @sambone2809 13 днів тому

    Not sure if this is actually good advice but numbering the videos 1,2,3,4 is probably going to age like milk imo, it might be better to have the title be something like Grey Talon is King-Meta Report 10/31/2024, some food for thought
    thanks for all your great content!

  • @maxentius681
    @maxentius681 15 днів тому +5

    The walker change is hot dogshit, not sure why they think its a good idea.

    • @hayden3960
      @hayden3960 15 днів тому +1

      make game faster

    • @luk4aaaa
      @luk4aaaa 14 днів тому

      Harder to stall out games and outscale over time

  • @tuhin1264
    @tuhin1264 15 днів тому

    RIP to The Professor 😂

  • @F8isRIPPIN
    @F8isRIPPIN 15 днів тому

    I love Meta Report!!!

  • @kelleboyy
    @kelleboyy 15 днів тому +1

    Yo I’m just curious about shiv build? Which one do you prioritise more, knife or melee build?

    • @Deathy
      @Deathy  15 днів тому +2

      Gun Shiv seems to be best IMO right now, then knife, then melee

    • @luka9843
      @luka9843 15 днів тому

      Im still using melee but its so much weaker now 😢 didn’t enjoy gun build as much

    • @kelleboyy
      @kelleboyy 15 днів тому

      @@luka9843 yea i tried gun build as well didnt quite work out. I will try knife build this time

    • @jbraid4535
      @jbraid4535 15 днів тому

      @@Deathy what's a good gun build?

    • @Deathy
      @Deathy  15 днів тому

      @@jbraid4535 I have one in-game, here's the ID: 79176

  • @Colesalad
    @Colesalad 15 днів тому

    In other words Mo and Krill stay winnin 😎

  • @thronezilla
    @thronezilla 15 днів тому +1

    where's the tier list

  • @sc065
    @sc065 15 днів тому +1

    Any recommendations on Ivy builds in the current meta?

    • @bazzfromthebackground3696
      @bazzfromthebackground3696 15 днів тому +1

      Hybrid Support Ivy seems popular in high Eternus rank. Most of the high lv Ivy play the same.

    • @sc065
      @sc065 14 днів тому

      @@bazzfromthebackground3696 Good to know, that sounds about right in my experience. I'm at mid mmr where supporting isn't as good, not enough coordination, feels like hybrid but a bit more aggressive is the right choice.
      Same thing with spirit ivy, just not enough coordination for it to be worthwhile.
      Look forward to playing with people who will actually enable me to go more supporty.

  • @CheeseTako
    @CheeseTako 15 днів тому

    Thoughts on getting Siphon Bullets on a gun or utility focused McGinnis?

    • @Deathy
      @Deathy  15 днів тому +1

      Worth a try for sure, can't be that bad

  • @Adam-bq6ic
    @Adam-bq6ic 15 днів тому

    52 kills and 6 deaths in 3 ranked games last night on spirit talon build

  • @MiiBoshii
    @MiiBoshii 15 днів тому

    spiritual overflow vindicta has felt insanely strong, your fire rate is ridiculous with her scaling and it feels like a insta buy at 6200

  • @zrqah
    @zrqah 15 днів тому

    For some reason can’t find the McGinnis build idk if it’s just me

  • @yric5747
    @yric5747 15 днів тому

    need to try spiritual overflow more ngl

  • @juhseppi3005
    @juhseppi3005 13 днів тому

    I hate that valve is just swapping out which characters are completely broken every patch instead of actually balancing the game. It's not fun fighting the same 3 broken characters every game.

  • @Fluskar
    @Fluskar 15 днів тому +1

    ngl i've been playing mostly mirage and vindicta lately and almost all my games have had 10+ kills easily, they feel super overtuned ngl

  • @bazzfromthebackground3696
    @bazzfromthebackground3696 15 днів тому

    All these spirit resist buffs, I think Lash needs a buff to his 1.

  • @spoonman44
    @spoonman44 15 днів тому +2

    As a vindicta/talon main, lower your voice. I'm finally having fun.

  • @WaluigiNumbaWan
    @WaluigiNumbaWan 15 днів тому

    good stuff

  • @Kfindive
    @Kfindive 13 днів тому

    MikaelS Spirit Build: 130880

  • @__Jah__
    @__Jah__ 15 днів тому +4

    shit people are realizing inhibiting items are nice
    ive been running inhibitor, mystic slow, slowing bullets/silencer ()pretty much every speed or dps debuff I can apply) on heroes like infernus and mirage
    just lets you kite people and control the pace of fights a lot better
    edit: if I see lash, shiv, yamato on the other team; it's not even a question

  • @krzr547
    @krzr547 15 днів тому

    Why no tierlist? ☹

  • @basedjustice
    @basedjustice 15 днів тому

    alright fine i will subscribe finally

  • @StormierNik
    @StormierNik 14 днів тому

    Seen some doofus on the enemy team go 15 and 1 as Grey Talon in ranked Oracle. Guy on my team was complaining about him being bull and Grey said "Buffed but he's STILL not even good haha L"
    Yeah fuckin right bro.

  • @user-ko7ub6mw8t
    @user-ko7ub6mw8t 15 днів тому

    Where do you find the information on how each character scales?

  • @sentryion3106
    @sentryion3106 15 днів тому

    I’ll enjoy grey talon for another day. There is no way they won’t nerf him to the ground by Thursday as his 1 is just stupid.

  • @BertsBalls
    @BertsBalls 15 днів тому

    What about unkrillable mo and krill?

  • @imuSama3
    @imuSama3 15 днів тому

    Bro i just played a 4v5, enemy seven left, and we still barely won because enemy sprit GT went 20 something and 2. Charged arrow was literally one shotting. Ive always hated GT and after that game i suddenly want to try him.

  • @mightbetom8687
    @mightbetom8687 15 днів тому

    quick correction the urn drop off changes come in to effect when there's an 8% net worth lead (Amazing vid btw you're a bastion of this community)

  • @assemnoot7491
    @assemnoot7491 15 днів тому

    If you buy anti tank and silence every game you should be ahead most of the time.

  • @saxtie2512
    @saxtie2512 15 днів тому

    Crosshairs?

  • @brown9671
    @brown9671 15 днів тому

    NO META, ALPHA GAME, HAVE FUN

  • @NerdPsycho
    @NerdPsycho 15 днів тому

    It's pronounced Michael S

  • @syedgouhar1790
    @syedgouhar1790 15 днів тому

    Maining talon since d1 now I can't get him in games

  • @solbanan
    @solbanan 15 днів тому

    Am I the only one who thinks the game is pretty boring after the latest patches? It might be because I mained pocket, shiv, lash and haze, and I get shredded by tanks and snipers now but it seems just afk farm spirit power items = win game. Ganking and snowballing seems so nerfed.

  • @workmeharder8330
    @workmeharder8330 15 днів тому +2

    last time i was this early the game was called neon prime

  • @ness6099
    @ness6099 15 днів тому

    Think Warden could’ve been talked about a bit more. Besides the level 3 ult unstoppable buff he was just given ever so slight tweaks, but those things just make him that much harder to handle. He still has one of the weakest laning phases (everything but killing potential is pretty bad; weak/average base health, awful movement speed, no base sprint speed, and the absolute worst bullet velocity in the game) but as soon as laning phase is over he takes off. Make sure you buy high velocity and hollow point people, those are some of the most cost-effective $500s in the game!
    He can even feel free to pop ult for a really early tier 3 camp, dealing probably more than half health to all three of the mobs and staying at full health doing it even with only 5k or less souls.

    • @dylan4701
      @dylan4701 15 днів тому

      Any more tips for playing him?

  • @jpthefisherman
    @jpthefisherman 15 днів тому

    Cold front is the new torment pulse

  • @xylvnking
    @xylvnking 15 днів тому +1

    This is my least favorite meta yet. Talon + vindicta + mirage and then with urn being harder generally people just afk farm til 40 minutes then one team does something dumb and the other wins

    • @vastnumber
      @vastnumber 15 днів тому +1

      My games rarely go past 30 mins lately, it’s a lot of tempo and skirmishing. Whoever gets midboss usually opens up the whole maps and wins

    • @xylvnking
      @xylvnking 15 днів тому

      @@vastnumber wish I could say the same. started playing mcginnis just so I can force the games to end lol

  • @nicobay4512
    @nicobay4512 15 днів тому

    Love your video but plzzz stop moving the hero for nothing when you talk , or make slow movement , looking around etc.
    Dont know maybe its just me , but it distracting, annoying and a bit stressing in a way .
    After that stupid comment , thk for all your video, like them *after the detail mentioned lol*

  • @thelaw3536
    @thelaw3536 15 днів тому

    Can't believe you recommended spirt vendicta. Most of the damage from crow comes from the bleed of current health and spirit doesnt' scale that only the duration which gets like 2.43 with 81 spirt (Boundless Spirit) and her stake is one of the worst damage scaling moves in the game with at .4. Really only the bonus dmg on her ult is worth and even than usually improved burst will be enough along with the 2nd level to kill people from high hp and full charge. Her fly also scales poorly since she can easliy find herself too far away to do much damge with her spirt componet and people building spirit armour makes it worse. She also doesn't build well into it since almost all of her damage even with spirit build will be from her gun which onlys gets 11.3 rpm (surge of power bassically) from 81 spirit. You can build dmg earlier and get more use overall without having to commit to fly and spend a time trying to hit the ult full charge. Fly being your best escape tool and addressing her damage scaling issues (she often needs to position herself farther away due to her poor hp scaling and not investing much into vitality.

  • @CrunchesFPS
    @CrunchesFPS 15 днів тому

    Mirage is such a shallow gameplay character

    • @brianclark919
      @brianclark919 15 днів тому

      He’s quite good tbh you can dictate a lot of fights with him

  • @brianclark7681
    @brianclark7681 15 днів тому +1

    Deathy can you talk faster

    • @andredagiant9597
      @andredagiant9597 15 днів тому +6

      Speed up the playback speed
      That’s what it’s there for

    • @brianclark7681
      @brianclark7681 15 днів тому

      @@andredagiant9597 NFT pic so i will not be paying attention

  • @xstupidg
    @xstupidg 15 днів тому

    Wondering why you don't put something like bullet lifesteal + healing booster in your mirage build. No matter how strong your bullet damage is you would still need to heal to be tanky and scarabs couldn't do that at all times. Could you explain your choice?

  • @utubeisawsomeify
    @utubeisawsomeify 15 днів тому

    Thoughts on hydrations warden build?