Been watching for a while, you got the best videos for discipline priests. I appreciate the detail you go into for such a complex class/specialization.
Great video great to see people making this kind of stuff for the community. Glad you noticed the death could be front loaded situationally and not during rift window compared to last rotation guide. Noticing when to cast it during rift and not is a huge deal imo. Excellent stuff. Thank you.
listen dude, im not a bad player by any means im just newish to disc, And when i tell you this one video doubled my performance I am not exaggerating. Just did a 7 NW after watching this and pulled 420K overall dps and in a couple trash packs pulled over 1 mil dps AND my hps when up overall as well. Literally thank you so much man, I feel so powerful. Well deserved sub!
hello I leveled pri 5 days ago and I need advice too. This guide is most likely the ones who have experience with disc priest. Because everything is too much for me atm. I tried on +2 keys and my problem is atoment falls of so fast before I complete my rotation. 605 ilvl %11 haste. I know its too low but not sure what to do. He is talking about torment or something what is that? atoment is the biggest problem for me.
Hello! I'm new to the channel and I just wanted to thank you for this great video! I really appreciate you showing the talent and what it does rather than just mentioning it by name. Short, simple and efficient :) You've got yourself a new sub and a like, keep it up 👍
Hey just getting into a discipline priest I've never played wow and my friends want me to play they need a healer go figure and I can tell they can't help me lol. Anyway we can hook up and get set up as atleast? I'm off today so let me know please
Might just be a preference thing, but as disc does great priority damage I play death after the first penance in the torment window for the extra damage. I would drop divine star all together for another void blast as star is really just padding when you could get extra damage into focusing a dangerous mob down. I think this is also preferable for more healing. Especially on bosses
@@Obsessions95 playing death in your rift window means one less void blast, same reasoning you made about Star- SW:Death before the Rift! Void Blast is way more valuable on Schism, more than a death on the schism. Sacrificing 1 blast if you play death within your rift. Putting death in the rift also means less cdr for your penance making it harder for your torments in the long run. And harder for your 2x penance in the rift.
@@JustDiscipline I would agree if torment didn’t benefit from schism. But a death + torment is almost double the damage of one void blast. Making it a better option. What you say about the penance CDR is true, but with 32% haste I still can only fit 2 penances into my rift. And 2 penances shouldn’t be a problem for most 620+ geared priests. You are right in that you can get a third penance in the mindbender window at the very end of the duration. But I think trading that for more upfront healing and damage is better, as hardly any damage mechanics require 20+ seconds of intensive healing
@@Obsessions95 I did a lot of testing and you’re more commonly going to drop a torment that way. Moreover, a blast hits harder than death and torment combined, and when you’re lowering your torment average to boot is not good! Details gives you the highs and lows of each spell, you can make the comparison.
@@JustDiscipline This is incorrect. I just tested on dummies multiple times to ensure accuracy. Void blast only hits harder than death + torment when empowered by weal and woe (or when critting). The damage of death + torment is over double the damage of one void blast, with the additional benefit of being able to move while casting it. Meaning you get more damage, cleave damage, and healing by including it in the schism window. I really enjoy your content, and you’ve personally taught me a lot. But when teaching beginners the absolute optimal should be discussed. Another trap I’ve fallen into is using double radiance within rift to cover the party again before the collapse, even when not needed, which sometimes starves me of a radiance to get out of trouble if there is damage after the rift had ended. I think it would be a good thing to mention in your guides as getting into the habit of double casting every time could negatively impact people. I’m having to retrain myself to use only one by default and a second only if there’s damage still going out before the collapse. Thanks again for the great content
@@Obsessions95 I fall back to the original point I made about CDR. And the 2 values are not double a blast. The CDR is the main loss with Torment average dropping if you delay the death. This is a video discussing how I'm playing and why. Moreover, I did discuss flipping the rotation.
Considered it and have in the past.. but I kinda have to favor my own gameplay first here and keep it clean. I have done my best with my UI tho so that you can still see my actions without that extra addon. Using traditional action bars should make it possible for you to follow along. With the sounds too, and have a WA that shows which instant casts I use. on the cast bar
@@JustDiscipline You can't count on the fact that people should know your UI. And on your demonstration, instant casts are not displayed on your cast bar. Either add the mentioned WeakAuras to see the instant casts on your cast bar, or use the mentioned addon for people to follow along. If you really don't want to clutter your screen, which is a good point, you can enable the addon only for your demonstration recordings. But the cleaner option would be to include instant casts to your cast bar.
@@syned149 I actually think it is kinda fair to have people read my action bars since they are default bars. They have graphics included showing casts bars, cast cancels, and cast completion.. And check again, instant casts are 100% shown, too. Their name splashes right where the bar is.. Your argument would hold more water if it were reversed "you can't expect people to know all your specific Addons." A default UI is a commonality we all share and the exact reason I bank into it.
Hi, thanks for this great video ! Just to be sure as I'm not fluent in english, can you please confirm that before starting your rotation at least 4 players are under atonement?
You mentioned in between mindbender (so when you don't have much healing throughput), using ps, keeping dots up on multi target, rapture and I probably guess barrier as needed. You did mention something about strengthening our shields which I didn't understand but lost the comment on the old video if you can remember? Thanks
Hello, thanks for the video, your dungeons reviews also very helpful! I am just starting as a healer, and everyone says disc is the hardest one, is that true though? Its just the only healer i find interesing.. Thanks!
HEY! great video really easy to follow and understand why things re happening! I have an issue where when i go for the six torment rotation my voidwraith runs out befor e i get the two smites out at the end so i dont get the shadow word death and the last penance out (because penance cooldown isnt reset yet because iam missing a smite). Are there haste thresholds to be met for this to work? I understand how it is supposed to work but for some reason it doesnt line up for me. I am specced into train of thought and torment.
I used to main disc in MOP where atonement is a passive built in. Came back in SL DF TWW to be more casual (as atonement is an active spell now) so i played a holy priest. (Im a dad now and just wanted to chill). Always have the itch to try disc as holy is too easy. Havent really commit to disc because i usually pug and i understand that disc is not good in emergency spot heal. May i know how true is it and do you recommend disc in a pug environment where people step in fire and let casts go off? My target is only M+10. I am really considering a private lesson to improve once i get disc rolling and have a feel on it. Disc priest is always considered as the hardest healer and it is my wet dream to be good at it.
@@Priestitude this idea of we don’t have good spot healing largely will point to poor approach to the spec. As in you’re playing Disc as if it were Holy, without much proactivity. Weal & Woe is AMAZING ST heal.. if you're playing ahead of damage and can see those things in your UI
Hi, amazing content, thank you! Could you please tell us when do you stop staking haste and go for another secondary stat? and what do you prio after haste, crit or mastery?
Why not do 2 radiances / rapture + evangelism (w harsh discipline talent point) before ramp as you’ll get 4 more bolts of penance which increase rift damage?
You say at 6:20 that "flash heal is going to atone 2 of your party". How is it 2 as a single target spell? Is there some talent? Im trying disc for first time
so to be clear, we should be trying to walk into either 6 or 8 torment windows with the party covered in full length atonements? or should is it fine to radiance first? Icy veins suggests voidwraith > mind blast > radiance > penance, voidblasts, and shadow word death is the icy veins rotation more for beginners to the spec like me (im about 10 hours into disc but i am 2.5k on MW rn) and your suggested rotation is more advanced and min/maxxy?
@@Cornnbreadd as your opener you need to put your torment spells on cd immediately without spells in between. I lead in with our 15 second atonements for all the talents that go along with those spells; often I will already be holding an HD proc as I cast it in between combat, but it’s a weaker atonement ramp to only rely on radiance on pull start. If you delay your first penance with more spells first you will be dropping torments.
@@JustDiscipline okay that makes sense so like in a m+ if we are all walking to the next pack and say it takes like 6 seconds to get there and i expect significant damage to come out soon after engaging (like the despoilers that pulse AoE in SV for example), i should shield the tank, throw up a couple renews, use a flash of light proc if i have it and then maybe another shield on someone, covering everyone in atonements so then i can start the voidwraith window when the damage is happening, casting radiance in between when the initial atonements fall off and ensuring the collapse overlaps. would that be correct? Really what im unsure of is whether or not renew is actually worth it to cast when setting up in those situations. I've seen conflicting opinions on that. Some people even have said they may cast renew once or twice in an entire dungeon. but I dont see how else to get those 15 sec atonements out while moving (outside of rapture). I am so used to pushing with mistweaver so being ranged is new to me. Also thank you for responding!
Renew is a great atonement applicator. People that rarely use it probably use radiance instead and avoid having to bind another button. But as mentioned in the video it's not optimal.
I figured out how to make grid2 place a colored purple border around anyone with active atonement. Then it changes to yellow at 5 sec and red at 2. Very handy. Took me an hour to make it track shields properly. Complex addon.
Thanks for the guide. Using it in proving grounds to remember the rotation. What do you do between this sequence? Just ramp up atonement again and repeat?
I'm a total Disc noob and I'm confused by this video. Is this for raid and/or M? Could you please start with the basics, rather than jumping into details on some specific talents?
@@BillBless-777 indicators for weak and woe and tier set. I kinda thought they looked nice for my videos but I let them be totally passive powers honestly
Been watching for a while, you got the best videos for discipline priests. I appreciate the detail you go into for such a complex class/specialization.
Thanks a ton! Uploading new videos this weekend!
Great video great to see people making this kind of stuff for the community.
Glad you noticed the death could be front loaded situationally and not during rift window compared to last rotation guide.
Noticing when to cast it during rift and not is a huge deal imo.
Excellent stuff.
Thank you.
Yes! Largely I'm playing it out of the rift- sometimes I will favor the Rift first for the damage grab!
listen dude, im not a bad player by any means im just newish to disc, And when i tell you this one video doubled my performance I am not exaggerating. Just did a 7 NW after watching this and pulled 420K overall dps and in a couple trash packs pulled over 1 mil dps AND my hps when up overall as well. Literally thank you so much man, I feel so powerful. Well deserved sub!
Thanks and glad to hear it! Did my best here to spell it all out! Over 400 is great!
hello I leveled pri 5 days ago and I need advice too. This guide is most likely the ones who have experience with disc priest. Because everything is too much for me atm. I tried on +2 keys and my problem is atoment falls of so fast before I complete my rotation. 605 ilvl %11 haste. I know its too low but not sure what to do. He is talking about torment or something what is that? atoment is the biggest problem for me.
@@AlpiFirat Radiance is your solution for during your rotation window. And torments, visit Inescapable Torments the talent!
Hello! I'm new to the channel and I just wanted to thank you for this great video! I really appreciate you showing the talent and what it does rather than just mentioning it by name. Short, simple and efficient :)
You've got yourself a new sub and a like, keep it up 👍
thanks man!
high quality content, thank you
totally youre welcome!
Sorry to post twice, had an editing error!
Hey just getting into a discipline priest I've never played wow and my friends want me to play they need a healer go figure and I can tell they can't help me lol. Anyway we can hook up and get set up as atleast? I'm off today so let me know please
@@chrismckenzie9164 I could help this weekend!
@@JustDiscipline ok that would be great
@@chrismckenzie9164 take a look at my metafy and put yourself in my schedule! Weekend mornings are great for me!
@@JustDisciplineI can pick any of those times though? Even todays time slots?
Might just be a preference thing, but as disc does great priority damage I play death after the first penance in the torment window for the extra damage. I would drop divine star all together for another void blast as star is really just padding when you could get extra damage into focusing a dangerous mob down. I think this is also preferable for more healing. Especially on bosses
@@Obsessions95 playing death in your rift window means one less void blast, same reasoning you made about Star- SW:Death before the Rift!
Void Blast is way more valuable on Schism, more than a death on the schism. Sacrificing 1 blast if you play death within your rift.
Putting death in the rift also means less cdr for your penance making it harder for your torments in the long run. And harder for your 2x penance in the rift.
@@JustDiscipline I would agree if torment didn’t benefit from schism. But a death + torment is almost double the damage of one void blast. Making it a better option.
What you say about the penance CDR is true, but with 32% haste I still can only fit 2 penances into my rift. And 2 penances shouldn’t be a problem for most 620+ geared priests.
You are right in that you can get a third penance in the mindbender window at the very end of the duration. But I think trading that for more upfront healing and damage is better, as hardly any damage mechanics require 20+ seconds of intensive healing
@@Obsessions95 I did a lot of testing and you’re more commonly going to drop a torment that way. Moreover, a blast hits harder than death and torment combined, and when you’re lowering your torment average to boot is not good!
Details gives you the highs and lows of each spell, you can make the comparison.
@@JustDiscipline This is incorrect. I just tested on dummies multiple times to ensure accuracy. Void blast only hits harder than death + torment when empowered by weal and woe (or when critting). The damage of death + torment is over double the damage of one void blast, with the additional benefit of being able to move while casting it. Meaning you get more damage, cleave damage, and healing by including it in the schism window.
I really enjoy your content, and you’ve personally taught me a lot. But when teaching beginners the absolute optimal should be discussed.
Another trap I’ve fallen into is using double radiance within rift to cover the party again before the collapse, even when not needed, which sometimes starves me of a radiance to get out of trouble if there is damage after the rift had ended. I think it would be a good thing to mention in your guides as getting into the habit of double casting every time could negatively impact people. I’m having to retrain myself to use only one by default and a second only if there’s damage still going out before the collapse. Thanks again for the great content
@@Obsessions95 I fall back to the original point I made about CDR. And the 2 values are not double a blast. The CDR is the main loss with Torment average dropping if you delay the death.
This is a video discussing how I'm playing and why. Moreover, I did discuss flipping the rotation.
Great video, i would love if you could use the weakaura/addon that alot of pvpers use so u can see exacly what button/spell you are presseing! :)
Considered it and have in the past.. but I kinda have to favor my own gameplay first here and keep it clean. I have done my best with my UI tho so that you can still see my actions without that extra addon.
Using traditional action bars should make it possible for you to follow along. With the sounds too, and have a WA that shows which instant casts I use. on the cast bar
@@JustDiscipline You can't count on the fact that people should know your UI.
And on your demonstration, instant casts are not displayed on your cast bar.
Either add the mentioned WeakAuras to see the instant casts on your cast bar, or use the mentioned addon for people to follow along.
If you really don't want to clutter your screen, which is a good point, you can enable the addon only for your demonstration recordings.
But the cleaner option would be to include instant casts to your cast bar.
@@syned149 I actually think it is kinda fair to have people read my action bars since they are default bars. They have graphics included showing casts bars, cast cancels, and cast completion.. And check again, instant casts are 100% shown, too. Their name splashes right where the bar is..
Your argument would hold more water if it were reversed "you can't expect people to know all your specific Addons." A default UI is a commonality we all share and the exact reason I bank into it.
@@JustDiscipline Was watching on mobile and didn't see it. I think it's the best compromise 👍
@@syned149 yeah! It might be different than you’re expecting, but I haven’t neglected the viewer being able to read my casts!
Muchas gracias por compartir eres maravilloso ¡MUCHAS GRACIAS!
thanks for watching!
Hi, thanks for this great video ! Just to be sure as I'm not fluent in english, can you please confirm that before starting your rotation at least 4 players are under atonement?
It's good practice, yes. 15 seconds Atonements is a great way to lead into the voidwraith window
Could you link us the Weak Aura you have for tracking Atonement in the Raid/Party Frames like that?
@@joshuaswetman2887 it’s actually GRID2! All my codes are available to members of the channel or my private students through Metafy
You mentioned in between mindbender (so when you don't have much healing throughput), using ps, keeping dots up on multi target, rapture and I probably guess barrier as needed. You did mention something about strengthening our shields which I didn't understand but lost the comment on the old video if you can remember? Thanks
Check Weal & Woe. You can use Penance to focus on your dots and weave Raptures after Penance
Thanks for a good guide!
What is the benefit of using Divine Star instead of four Void Blast?
@@YoungLee-j3o aoe pull takes star. ST probably wouldn’t
Hello, thanks for the video, your dungeons reviews also very helpful! I am just starting as a healer, and everyone says disc is the hardest one, is that true though? Its just the only healer i find interesing.. Thanks!
I does kinda have that reputation!
Fantastic guide! Any chance you can share the weak aura that counts torments?
All WAs available to members of my channel or students on Metafy!
This is great, subbed as an aspiring disc player. Embellishments for m+? I hear that the woven ones might be bugged
yes def the woven ones!
HEY! great video really easy to follow and understand why things re happening! I have an issue where when i go for the six torment rotation my voidwraith runs out befor e i get the two smites out at the end so i dont get the shadow word death and the last penance out (because penance cooldown isnt reset yet because iam missing a smite). Are there haste thresholds to be met for this to work? I understand how it is supposed to work but for some reason it doesnt line up for me. I am specced into train of thought and torment.
@@Foxist-g8s yes. If you’re low on haste you will cap out early
@@JustDiscipline makes sense, ty for the answer! new to disc blast to play tho
I used to main disc in MOP where atonement is a passive built in. Came back in SL DF TWW to be more casual (as atonement is an active spell now) so i played a holy priest. (Im a dad now and just wanted to chill). Always have the itch to try disc as holy is too easy. Havent really commit to disc because i usually pug and i understand that disc is not good in emergency spot heal. May i know how true is it and do you recommend disc in a pug environment where people step in fire and let casts go off? My target is only M+10. I am really considering a private lesson to improve once i get disc rolling and have a feel on it. Disc priest is always considered as the hardest healer and it is my wet dream to be good at it.
@@Priestitude this idea of we don’t have good spot healing largely will point to poor approach to the spec. As in you’re playing Disc as if it were Holy, without much proactivity.
Weal & Woe is AMAZING ST heal.. if you're playing ahead of damage and can see those things in your UI
Awesome video
Just do not get why you are postponing the last SW:Death and Penance
Minor but has to do with the GCDs. Don't want an extra GCD in the window
Hi, amazing content, thank you! Could you please tell us when do you stop staking haste and go for another secondary stat? and what do you prio after haste, crit or mastery?
haste, crit, vers. Not too sure where the DRs come in, but I dont' think in S1 we need to worry about it! Crit haste!
Hey, where can I find torment counter weakaura? Great video btw 🙂
Consider joining the channel as a member! I have all UI elements shared there or for students of mine through Metafy
Why not do 2 radiances / rapture + evangelism (w harsh discipline talent point) before ramp as you’ll get 4 more bolts of penance which increase rift damage?
Just not a good use of spells--
Thanks!
Thanks man, appreicate it!
You say at 6:20 that "flash heal is going to atone 2 of your party". How is it 2 as a single target spell? Is there some talent? Im trying disc for first time
binding heals!
Binding heals always puts an atonement on yourself when you heal another party member
so to be clear, we should be trying to walk into either 6 or 8 torment windows with the party covered in full length atonements? or should is it fine to radiance first?
Icy veins suggests voidwraith > mind blast > radiance > penance, voidblasts, and shadow word death
is the icy veins rotation more for beginners to the spec like me (im about 10 hours into disc but i am 2.5k on MW rn) and your suggested rotation is more advanced and min/maxxy?
@@Cornnbreadd as your opener you need to put your torment spells on cd immediately without spells in between.
I lead in with our 15 second atonements for all the talents that go along with those spells; often I will already be holding an HD proc as I cast it in between combat, but it’s a weaker atonement ramp to only rely on radiance on pull start. If you delay your first penance with more spells first you will be dropping torments.
@@JustDiscipline okay that makes sense
so like in a m+ if we are all walking to the next pack and say it takes like 6 seconds to get there and i expect significant damage to come out soon after engaging (like the despoilers that pulse AoE in SV for example), i should shield the tank, throw up a couple renews, use a flash of light proc if i have it and then maybe another shield on someone, covering everyone in atonements so then i can start the voidwraith window when the damage is happening, casting radiance in between when the initial atonements fall off and ensuring the collapse overlaps. would that be correct?
Really what im unsure of is whether or not renew is actually worth it to cast when setting up in those situations. I've seen conflicting opinions on that. Some people even have said they may cast renew once or twice in an entire dungeon. but I dont see how else to get those 15 sec atonements out while moving (outside of rapture). I am so used to pushing with mistweaver so being ranged is new to me.
Also thank you for responding!
Renew is a great atonement applicator. People that rarely use it probably use radiance instead and avoid having to bind another button. But as mentioned in the video it's not optimal.
@@syned149 I've never heard of people not binding it because they are overwhelmed lol that's crazy. I use renew very often as I'm ramping
How can I get my atonements to show as a white bar on the raid frames? That would help so much. Thanks!
This is my GRID2 which is available to all members of my channel!
@@JustDiscipline thanks!
I figured out how to make grid2 place a colored purple border around anyone with active atonement. Then it changes to yellow at 5 sec and red at 2. Very handy. Took me an hour to make it track shields properly. Complex addon.
Hey, for M+, should I focus on crit after haste?
Yes!
Thanks for the guide. Using it in proving grounds to remember the rotation. What do you do between this sequence? Just ramp up atonement again and repeat?
Yes, I focus on using penance to keep dots up, renews on tanks, Raptures, Barrier, all for the next round!
what do you do when the group pulls another pack when your pet or something else is in CD and you cant start your rotation as described in the video
Do i get the ui with any subscription? like the discipline ftw?
Yep, I just have 2 options because people like options!
when do you hit purge the wicked ?
on opener!
So Voidwrath over Depths of Shadow?
It pumps more, people calling it a bug but who knows
I'm a total Disc noob and I'm confused by this video. Is this for raid and/or M? Could you please start with the basics, rather than jumping into details on some specific talents?
cheers bro, fucking gamer :)
@@Jeebizz101 😈✨
What are the blue squares above your nameplate indicating?
@@BillBless-777 indicators for weak and woe and tier set. I kinda thought they looked nice for my videos but I let them be totally passive powers honestly