The proliferation of joystick interfaces is a bit of a problem, especially since right now using the keyboard in games is problematic. Hopefully the Agon Console 8 will help to "solidify" the joystick interface.
I think you raise a really important question here. I start to like the Agon Light ideas more and more - as I do not know enough hardware, but only have experience in software, I can see the potential. Have a small serial connection between the CPU and the video. Have an internal protocol to let them talk. Let the separation also be made clear in hardware. But maybe also extend this idea? The diffusion of software and peripherals into a huge mess that you raise could perhaps be overlooked. But should we do it again? We had the experience in the late 70’s, so why should we repeat it? You put into the perspective of future drivers has to be installed, incompatibility of peripherals and signals, etc etc. Wozniak long ago came up with an idea that I think Kastrup should consider, before we end up in another wasteland. ua-cam.com/users/clipUgkxYCb3fH2DA4NGpbzn3tMCGn6hznQuyNOY?si=hprI-pK55G2Fzab7 You plug a card into the machine, and then hook up a cable. The card had the driver in it .. That is, let’s invent a protocol for communication rather than a fixed way only to reach hardware. Ok, so there might instead be a number of protocols for talking to joysticks? But probably not so much as they in the easy case only have a few wires and hence the serial communication is often very much alike ..
It would break pattern with the low cost thing, but I would love a keyboard with the Agon inside, like the F256K team have done. Or even just a thin Agon design with all connectors on one side so it’s easier to hack one together.
We reach the stage where you can now implement you retro or retro like computer as an software on micro-controller. Agon family, Neo6502, FabGL are just result of this. 1. So from building real hardware, we got to 2. extensive use of FPGA, and now to 3. emulating hardware on microcontrollers. Each step lowers the price. And opens the door for people with lower budget. I expect more to come. And it is good. I already try CP/M emulation in Arduino DUE years ago. I'm looking forward for Bernardo take at Agon 65 which should be build around the last incarnation of 65816. And next time ordering from OLIMEX I probably add some of the Neo or FabGL. For that price it is not issue of budget, it is issue of time I can dedicate to these toys. Up to now I'm suffering with eZ80 playing with assembler, big thanks to Jeroen Venema.
Actually nothing controversy here, all products on first row are software compatible and software from one board will run on another. If you have one of these you can do same code written for the other, just different connectors and pricing ;) The second row are totally off Agon topic just different retro computers and emulator.
The proliferation of joystick interfaces is a bit of a problem, especially since right now using the keyboard in games is problematic. Hopefully the Agon Console 8 will help to "solidify" the joystick interface.
I think you raise a really important question here.
I start to like the Agon Light ideas more and more - as I do not know enough hardware, but only have experience in software, I can see the potential. Have a small serial connection between the CPU and the video. Have an internal protocol to let them talk. Let the separation also be made clear in hardware. But maybe also extend this idea?
The diffusion of software and peripherals into a huge mess that you raise could perhaps be overlooked. But should we do it again? We had the experience in the late 70’s, so why should we repeat it? You put into the perspective of future drivers has to be installed, incompatibility of peripherals and signals, etc etc. Wozniak long ago came up with an idea that I think Kastrup should consider, before we end up in another wasteland.
ua-cam.com/users/clipUgkxYCb3fH2DA4NGpbzn3tMCGn6hznQuyNOY?si=hprI-pK55G2Fzab7
You plug a card into the machine, and then hook up a cable. The card had the driver in it ..
That is, let’s invent a protocol for communication rather than a fixed way only to reach hardware. Ok, so there might instead be a number of protocols for talking to joysticks? But probably not so much as they in the easy case only have a few wires and hence the serial communication is often very much alike ..
It would break pattern with the low cost thing, but I would love a keyboard with the Agon inside, like the F256K team have done. Or even just a thin Agon design with all connectors on one side so it’s easier to hack one together.
This, been looking around myself to see if a keyboard could be adapted
The Neo6502 and FabGL are outside our little universe, but a closer look to aliens may be intresting. How many eyes do they have?
We reach the stage where you can now implement you retro or retro like computer as an software on micro-controller. Agon family, Neo6502, FabGL are just result of this.
1. So from building real hardware, we got to
2. extensive use of FPGA, and now to
3. emulating hardware on microcontrollers.
Each step lowers the price. And opens the door for people with lower budget.
I expect more to come. And it is good. I already try CP/M emulation in Arduino DUE years ago.
I'm looking forward for Bernardo take at Agon 65 which should be build around the last incarnation of 65816. And next time ordering from OLIMEX I probably add some of the Neo or FabGL. For that price it is not issue of budget, it is issue of time I can dedicate to these toys.
Up to now I'm suffering with eZ80 playing with assembler, big thanks to Jeroen Venema.
I am totally against non-proliferating comments on YT videos.
I want an Agon with 3 arseholes. Imagine the possibilities :)
There was a joke on Facebook about the "Agon Fleshlight"....
@@LuzrBum It is actually an obvious evolutionary step. The Cerberus came with 3 heads...
Actually nothing controversy here, all products on first row are software compatible and software from one board will run on another. If you have one of these you can do same code written for the other, just different connectors and pricing ;) The second row are totally off Agon topic just different retro computers and emulator.
What!? You mean that a someone manufactured a fake controversy to get a few extra likes on the internet? That could never happen!!! 😉😉😉
@LuzrBum I don't know, is that what they call "clickbait" ;)
@@LuzrBum In MY day, we had proper clickbait - where's the "Point 7 will shock you"? And you tell the young uns today, and they don't believe you...
Is there a reason he pronounces Agon as if it has an r like Argon??
Yes. It is to make absolutely sure that I don't sound like a smegging yank by pronouncing it at "Ey-gon"
The reason is that the name is from the Greek mythology.