Epiphone Casino vs Gibson ES-330 VOS Custom Shop
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- Опубліковано 10 кві 2018
- Epiphone Casino vs Gibson ES 330 VOS Custom Shop loaded with P90 pickups
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Come on are we going to deny the fact that epiphone casino guitars were supreme guitars in the 60's even john Lennon loved his Epiphone casino
Are we also going to deny that they are now just cheap knockoff's of those amazing old USA Epiphones?
They were supreme in the 60's. Today, not so much
What’s with all that Epiphone hate going on here?
Come on guys, they are great guitars!
What is it, that you dislike them so much?
And please don’t give me all this talk about Chinese QC and the American jobs you save when you buy a Gibson USA guitar..
@@rolux4853 we don't really hate them. They are nice guitar. They used to rival Gibson's es-330. Today there is no way they are that good in quality. I've owned many Epiphones. They are great guitars. But they don't measure up to Gibsons, and price wise there are many brands that offer more value, like Gretsch
@@enriquegarza3127 Agreed. Anyone that picks up an Ibanez Artcore or a Gretsch Streamliner will not only save money but get a much better guitar.
The Casino is proof that you don't have to spend over $1000 to get a great guitar.
The most pronounced difference is when you reach for your wallet.The Casino does a great job of capturing the essence of a full hollow body at a tiny fraction of the price of the 330--its the value for money buy.
I totally agree. They both sound great, but I cannot afford a Gibson ES-330. I love my casino and if it's good enough for Lennon and McCartney, enough said!
I have that exact model 330. Aside from fighting the tuning with that bigsby, the tone of that thing is absolutely amazing. The bridge pickup with tube overdrive is so damn gnarly!
Check out Nutlock. Might work for you easy to install according to reviews
Come on...The Casino is a great instrument but that 330 sounds amazing...
Hard choice soooo.......... I’m gonna let the Beatles pick for me 😉
Paul plays an es 330 nowadays along with his original casino
I hear ya but not me !!.... I like Grant Green pick it for me..
The Casino and the ES 339 are my favorite Epiphones. The Casino is one I have wanted for a while.
Micha-el Cleveland I have an Epi 339 and a Japanese Casino both different both great 👍
Great video as always. I have an Epi Casino & it can be a little muddy sounding, I would like to see the ES-330 up against a Casino Elitist or Gary Clark Jr versions that have the Gibson pickups in them, I think they would sound pretty close. I have also read that the metal vs the plastic covers can affect the tone.
A couple of things to do with casinos as standard they are a bit muddy: Get them re wired to about 7.5-8k because they are all ridiculously high output from the factory at about 12k! Also raise the pole pieces and there you have it.
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Do you referring only for wirring and caps??
No pickups upgrade??
Die hard for one Casino! What a legendary guitar. Everybody knows about "E" around the World!
From Leo: Thanks for this comparison. From what I can see by looking at the screen, both have a great finish, and I like the voicing of the Epiphone better. Of course UA-cam sound qualities are not the same as in person.
Awesome playing! Have to admit, the Epiphone sounded a bit warmer to me and I liked it better! 🤙🏻
The Gibson shined a bit brighter, but the casino sounds GREAT with Lindy fralins vintage style P90PICKUP ! My dad did the P90 upgrade on his casino and it keeps up with the Gibson's No problem 😉
Both great guitars! You'd be lucky to have either. The Casino is a steal at the £500 figure.
Thanks for the video. Love the playing. I have really been considering a hollow body with p90s, I will definitely be going for a Casino. Could you do a review of the latest Peavey Bandit or a comparison between the red stripe and the new one? I have really been curious about the sound differences/similarities.
Casino all day
I personally like the look of the casino better
330 baby is stunning...... Check out jazz guitarist Grant Green.. that's what he used
Both sound great! I was surprised that they sound so much alike.
same body same pickups. thats why
The 330 looks beautiful, and beats the appearance of the Casino as expected. What I didn't expect, was that upper-register runs sounded a little thin on the Gibson- I preferred the Casino in that context. I don't know what a Bigsby does to tone, but at least in the case of these particular examples, I would prefer the Epiphone.
I agree but I’d say the casino beats the 330 in appearance! I never liked how weird the burst looks on the 330!
I have 2 Casino's. One VS the other Natural. Love them. One with Flat Wounds and the other with Round Wound strings. I like the variation of sounds of the same 2 guitars.
Hi Ray.. what kind of music beffiting to flat wounds??
@@dimitrisaivaliotis5616 mostly jazz
Excellent comparison! How would you describe the affect that the Bigsby has on the guitar? When you aren't using it I mean, cheers
The VOS is a nice guitar for sure. I have a chinese Epi Casino goldtop which plays nice and really has that P90 growl. No shortage of treble either. Maybe the one you tested was a dud. I tried a few different Casinos before I settled on mine. Main difference; it was the most resonant of the lot unplugged and (as is usually the case) had the best tone plugged in. While the Casino in the clip lacked the clarity of the VOS, I wouldn't say it sounded 'bad'. There is a standard range ES 330 in the Gibson line this year which might have been a fairer comparison.
The Casino sounded a bit "woolly" to me. Nice playing by Ryan though.
Metal pickup covers do a lot of job.
I like the casino sound a bit better but I mainly just like it because it was the guitar the Beatles, particularly John Lennon, were most famous for
They sound pretty much identical except on the bride pickups, where the Gibson has more top end and sounds like a bit hotter output. You could buy a killer replacement pickup for the bridge on the Epi and save yourself a huge chunk of change. Depending on how they compare playing-wise of course.
Great video! Do you plan doing a comparison of Epiphone Sheraton II with something Gibson-y? :)
I have ordered a lefty Sunburst MIC Epiphone Casino - arrives tomorrow. Will use it as a backup to my lefty Gibson ES-330.
The deciding factor for me is always the feel. Not sure how everyone here is declaring 'victory' for one or the other without recognizing that component. I don't really know what it is, but i almost invariably prefer the necks of the higher-end instruments from Fender and Gibson. Fender US > MIM > Squier; Gibson > Epiphone. With exceptions, of course. I like 'blind' demo comparisons, when the reviewer gives a perspective on the feel of the guitar.
The Gibson necks in the mid 60s were a great feel. But its all about tone. Feel is secondary but with Gibson you cant go wrong.
wowaweewah. aside from the sound, if I may add, they also feel different. one has to try and play one to see the difference. I did that once in a Gibson store. after that I understood why there are 2 brands, each having their own target market. saving up for a Gibby now. :)
Both sound awesome
Which amp is in use? Those things sounds amazing in that middle position,it just reeks of the delta
Damn I love your playing!
Wow that Casino sounded stunning.
curious about an Elitist Casino w/ bigsby. Tarda Japan made, USA P90s. I have one of these, a standard Korean Casino from 1999, and John Lennon Casinos... they all sound different.
The Epiphone was slightly warmer Wich seems to be the main tonal difference between Epiphone and Gibson. Although the tone was VERY close, the Epiphone was warmer because the pickup covers we're metal and it effects the magnet field. The Gibson's plastic cover don't. That's why the Gibson is a little more clear. Semi hollows have a more similar sound with the same electronics
Not better or worse, just different... as usual with two guitars. I generally like to roll the tone a little bit to warm it up... which is the same as the Epiphone tone. But if one like brighter tones, he can just turn the EQ a bit and he will get something close. As already said many times, the most impressive lately is the level of high quality we get from entry price guitars... I have a James Bay 1966 Century Epiphone (made in China), and it's an awesome guitar, not just for the price. I couldn't find any reason to buy another version of it, just because it would say "Gibson" on the headstock... If it sounds good, it's good!
Specially because that model is originally an epiphone. And a unique design. Don’t get me wrong as I agree with your point
I love the Gibson guitar almost all of mine are Gibson I just bought a Epiphone Casino made in China cherry red P90 pickups and I've got to say the tailpiece on the Epiphone Casino looks way better than original Gibson
Epiphone Casino is an iconic guitar design. No less than the Beatles made it an integral part of their sound in the mid to late sixties. Good thing is that Epiphone is still affordable nowadays.
Except that the new epiphones are a cheap knock off from china and the Beatles epiphones were made in the Gibson factory in the 1960s.Big difference in quality of build and tone.
@@es330look for a Korean made one , they are good as old usa one's
I decided what to get based on price and bought six Casinos.
Awesome video man! Love these shootouts!
I've got the casino with the bigsby but have bad tuning issues any clues what the problem might be?
Epiphone is making really good guitars these days. I have an Epi Les Paul traditional pro II, but took out the coil split wiring and put Gibson '57 classics in it. Sounds and plays amazing. Also have an Epi Swingster hollow body and a masterbuilt acoustic. The swingster is good, not a Gretsch, but not bad at all. The masterbuilt, however, is amazing. It sounds like my late grandfather's Martin.
What was that little exchange at the end? Did you two compare notes after the video?
The difference is there definitely.but the casino is the Best Buy for me .a blindfold challenge could be interesting?great playing by the way ..
same tones because the construction is the same...now, it's Gibson's turn to copy from Epiphone...but the Gibson sounds a little more crispier...for sure the pick-ups are better since it is from the custom shop...still, they both sound great! Good job China!
Es 330 sounds the best to me but not at 4 times the cost of the Casino. I’d be more than happy with that Epiphone. Great playing
I agree. 👍
I totally agree also. The 330 is obviously a bit better, but so is a Rolls.
Bob Aldo absolutely mate.
@@bobaldo2339I don’t think they are any better at all! The casino sounds way better!
Both looked and sounded great, but the Gibson had slightly more subtle depth and richness that I suppose you just have to pay way over the odds for. That's on sound alone. Playability, intonation, tuning stability, dead spots etc, are probably different too, as far as the player's satisfaction are concerned.
come on ….. that Gibson sounds pure bliss .....dammm
I have a few Epiphones and they are all really great guitars. My casino was made by Matsumoku in 1984, still going strong after 34 years with no mods. Can’t argue with those that say the Gibson sounds better, it’s down to personal taste. It probably doesn’t sound five times better so it seems illogical spending five times as much money. But it doesn’t stop me wanting a Gibson. Have to keep saving!
Owned 1965 Lennon Casino - Elitist - Korean . Best of the bunch is my Matsumoku 1985 JHS Casino . It is an outstanding Casino and easily compare to any US Gibson . Those Maxon P90 are superb . My opinion of course.
@@Bigsbeee they are well made the Matsumoku guitars. They feel really nice in your hand too.
I dream to own a 330 some day but I'm totally content with a Casino until I hit the lottery 😂
Greg Roberson
It’s the same guitar
I’d keep the casino even if I win the lottery.
It’s amazing and there’s no need for „upgrading“ something that isn’t bad.
Any differences in tone can easily be EQd out.
If you've never tried the Epiphone Wildkat you need to. It is a sweet guitar with the Bigsby and P90's
I had it for the Royale for a while, it had a lot of feedback when I used it live and looks too small and doesn't sound as good as the Casino
Epi sounds brighter but the burst on that Gibson is perfect
Eastman T64: slightly less than Casino Elitist price, but the finest craftsmanship that I've seen on an 330-ish guitar. The varnish finish is super thin and makes the instrument really breathe and vibrate. No more thick paint jobs for me.
By the time effects and distortions for people that can't play are added, it wouldn't really matter which guitar is played 😁
I like epiphone guitars but the Gibson sounded nicer to my ears the epiphone didn’t sound as bright or clear it sounded like the tone control was rolled off.
I agree.
I'd say it's got the wrong pot or cap in it. Easy to fix.
Differences can be accounted for by better pickups on the Gibson.
@@stevetool7023 Tone is subjective there is no such thing as better only different tone. One mans trash is another mans treasure. Also these guitars will sound different when plugged into different amps. So the Gibson would have a darker voice because it’s a traditional guitar that were traditionally plugged into very bright amps back in the day.
Surprised how good the Epi sounds.
The casino sounds better to me. It’s a more focused sound, maybe with a tad more midrange
Same
The bridge pickup on the casino sounds better when distorted
Clean I’d be happy with either guitar, however the Gibson’s tone, to me, sounds slightly more mature if that makes any sense. With the overdrive, the Gibson wins hands down. Love to hear Ryan’s playing so in the end we all win!!! Great video Shane!! Cheers!🎸🎸🎸🤙🏾🤘🏽👍🏽
do plastic cover change the sound?
How much was the Casino compare to the 330?
I’ve got epiphone casino and it feels and plays better than a lot of the more expensive brands and guitars ,love it to death can’t put in down .
I've been playing for several decades, I just don't hear it. Full disclosure, I own a Casino Elitist.
Im an Epi fan love both. I wish that large music stores wouldn’t lock up all of there high ticket items. No way to make comparisons. Its got to hurt sales for Fender and Gibbys high ticket item’s
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My Casino has become my soul mate guitar....trick is to get them set up by a pro and replace the plastic nut with a bone nut....after a complete setup my Casino came to life....unplugged they are still resonant. It's why McCartney said although he has really expensive guitars..the Casino is his desert island guitar...one trick...the g string saddle should be reversed so it'll properly intonate..if the switch position bugs you by the pickguard...take off the pickguard
I really liked the Gibson, but for the price dammn the Casino is so close to the sound. And kind of the sound depends on the amp that you are using. Mine is a Blues Deluxe and a Twin Reverb and it changes a LOT the Casino output. That is something that I learned from Daniel Kessler from Interpol.
I think, why the gibson has more crunchy sound as because the pickups aren't covered by the aluminum or kinda that silver thing?
As soon as John bought his Casino, immediately also Georgea nd Paul followed. It was (is) a light, hollow, beautiful sounding guitar that (probably most important) allows you to practice in the hotel room or on the bus (private jet?) because you can actually hear what you play despite not being plugged.
Paul got his before John and George.
@@Trombonology Ah! Ok!
Prefer the casino hands down. One of the most versatile guitars other than the strat. Brilliant tones.
You should have compared the Elite casino I would think since the Gibson is like 3 grand, given the Epiphone Elites casino are 22 hundred fair comparison ?
I can't get over the price difference compared to the tonal difference. I'm cheap.. I have about 10 guitars and basses, most I built or modified myself, including two epis. I used to say I'd rather have four different 500.00 epis than one 2K gibson. But I don't really think that's totally fair, since I'd sure love to have four gibsons! The Casino is nothing to be ashamed of, that's for sure. The ES 330 has been revered since I started playing way back in the early 60's, and still is.
What mode amp is this?
I have an Epi Casino and love the feel and sound of the guitar. The pickups are not that bad, it's the crappy covers that makes them muffled. I tested the guitar with and without covers and it's a world of difference. Just replace the covers with plastic ones and you're good to go. I also changed the magnets on the neck pickup to A2. Now i have a balanced output between the neck and bridge pickups and a mellower tone on the neck pickup which i prefer.
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What brand did you choose??
My experience was exactly the opposite. I recorded my 2013 Casino using direct out, then desoldered/removed the pickup covers, and recoded again. Almost imperceptible difference. The stock pickups are a bit hot, but they are fine, as is. Biggest complaints are cheesy selector switch, and overly soft fret wire. Buy this guitar for what it IS, not what you think it COULD be.
@@UA-camHandlesAreMoronic Hello John
Your thoughts are intresting.. thank you
So you didn't find noticeable difference without covers?
Many people say that with plastic covers are different/
Let's say dull/colourless
As well you said there is good idea to change the pickup selector?
Only the selector?
The other wiring?
Iam asking you couse I'm semi begginer and casino is my first quitar 💕💕
And is all stock..at the moment.. hhhaa 😊
@@dimitrisaivaliotis5616 Congratulations on having a Casino as a first guitar! To clarify my comments for you; Pickup covers CAN impact the sound of a pickup if they alter the electromagnetic field. The effect is generally agreed to be a VERY subtle diminishing of the upper frequencies, or, a softening of the "sparkle" of the sound. Chrome-plated brass is generally accepted to have the greatest impact, followed by nickel-plated brass, pure nickel, and plastic, in that order of decreasing impact. On current Chinese Casinos, the covers are Nickel-plated brass. Now, the internet is a wasteland of hyperbolic statements, and you can readily find examples of people who claim a "night-and-day" difference in the sound with vs. without covers. But, the truth is, the difference ranges from, "almost unnoticeable" to "non-existent." That's why I recorded the process (clean tones) for myself. It's less than the difference between Ernie Ball Regular Slinky and D'addario XL110 (and THAT'S tiny...) Seriously, don't even worry about it. As for the selector switch, if it works well, it's fine. It has zero bearing on tone. I don't like the stock switch because it's sloppy-feeling and is prone to rattling in the middle position. The fret wire is a bummer, though. It's relatively soft, and wears much faster than that on my Mexican, American, and Japanese guitars. Still, it's a good enough guitar that I would pay to have it refretted, if needed.
@@UA-camHandlesAreMoronic hhhaa I like your comparison d'addario strings...
It was very kind of you this detailed informations
I'm old semi begginer/happy with this quitar
I Agree with frets wire and the selector!
Maybe in the future I will make an experiment with plastic covers!
Now is time to practice hhhaa 😊
Thank you John
Nice...you are demoing the guitar (as one should) and not the amp or some frickin' pedals. Thank you.
The tone from the neck and bridge pickups sounded great on both guitars, while the bridge was muddied by the dirt pedal, so I couldn't judge its tone.
Excellent playing, excellent taste and tone, especially on the neck and neck~bridge jams. That's the tone I want, but I'm considering the smaller ES-390, or more likely - Csino Coupe. Besides being smaller, the necks on them join the body at higher frets, making the high notes more accessible. The P-90 pickups combined with the hollow-body design is a great combination!
Epiphone casino suena muy bien .. de la Gibson una sabe que es una bomba de sonido y que vale 3 o 4 veces más que la casino
This is a good comparison because he doesn't say which guitar he is playing, he lets the guitars speak. It is true that in regards tone, it is a bit of a toss up with the Gibson a bit more polished on the clean sounds.
I've always wanted a 330, more so than a Casino. And that Custom Shop model is not helping my GAS! I am completely in love with semihollows and hollowbodies at the moment.
The 330 is just a casino rip off!
That Epi, to my ears sounds better. The Gibson bridge pup is pretty 'harsh' sounding. And I still can't bring myself to part with money for a 33X style guitar :-( Actually liking the Gretsch 33x style at the moment and great value for money. Just something a little different ;-)
All that slapping and popping, he should be playing a bass... why fingerstyle??? In reality, most guitar players use a pick... Love the channel Shane, but I will have to seek out another review of the Casino in which a pick is used..
The 330 so clear and round in the same time … one of Gibson best sounding guitar model .
I'd wear the Gibson on gig day, and I'd record my album on the casino.
Hi. What does it mean??
@@dimitrisaivaliotis5616 he likes the look of the Gibson and the tone of the Casino
@@maraviyoso8473 Hhhaa 😊
I think the gibson 330 sounded ever so slightly nicer, a bit more high end and honkiness. But I do think the Casino stacks up just fine
For the price, casino is much much better!!!
I'm about to remove that Bigsby B-3 from my Casino and toss it in the dumpster; it's a pain.
The Gibson sounded good. But then again, that's what Gibson does - purposely puts the crappy pickups in their epi's (okay, not crappy - but different - some epi's I don't mind the pickups). Change the pickups out and I'm sure it will sound much better. Other than that, did you notice much difference with the weight, finish and setup between the two?
Epiphone
This is what I mean about touch...is what we hear in this demo, not the actual guitar.
I liked the tone of the Gibson better. Agree with the guy who said that it sounds a little more mature and I will add it sounds fuller. But Casino sounded good too. Though I might look for something other than the Epiphone if I was searching for something less costly than the Gibson
Go Ibanez
The origin of tone is present. But while the Gibby has that sound in full, the Epi has it muffle and dull.
330 is stunning
Casino worths the money you pay for. I cant hear much differences from both of them, but I am sure the touch and feeling when played is different.
Neil Halstead plays a casino. Nuff said
How do they compare in feel and playability?
I don't there was a lot of difference in the feel. I don't recall Ryan saying anything bad about either at the time of shooting. :-)
330 (3k usd) vs Casino (500 usd) and the latter can stand the contest
Epi Casino still makes in korea or china? Just wondering!!!
China
I've just watched the video. The Gibson has a multi-dynamic sound whereas the Epiphone has only one dynamic to it.
I have a Chinese Casino...I can't afford a 330 even without the Bigsby...
I like both...if only I could play like Ryan...thanks Ryan!
Good video Shane thanks
Oh btw being a southpaw like you...I know how hard is to get a lefty Casino...
They are hard to find that's fore sure. Hopefully Epiphone gets their act together at some point and starts to release them again.
last time they made them was in 2014 (a limited edition dunno how limited it was). Let us hope so...I would buy a second one by any means!
I remember ordering mine a day after they announced it in January and got it in June...about 500 bucks Canadian case included...I wouldn't sell it for double that!
Should have at least compared the Gibson custom shop 330 to an Elitist Casino.