Peter Pan Syndrome - 5 Signs That You Are A Man-Child
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2023
- In this video, I'm talking about peter pan syndrome and giving you 5 signs you are still a man-child.
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I will never grow up getting high has always been more important than anything else I can think of
How do you change your relationship with anxiety?
1. You have sexual compulsions (masturbation/porn)
2. You’re uncommitted (you have ideas, but don’t start/finish them) - pick a project, define a point of completion, stick with it no matter what
3. You have anxiety - embrace it, don’t run away from it
4. You avoid responsibility - clarify what’s important for you, commit to it
5. You’re lying - notice when you lie, start telling the truth
I like the conclusion “it’s not your fault”. We couldn’t control how we were raised in the childhood. Realizing you’re a man-child is a half-work. What’s important is to not put guilt into our fathers or us, but to try to work with the mess that we are in today, without constant judgement.
What if I'm a cynical bastard who is philosophically committed to 2 things: freedom & power. That is all I really care about and practically having "power" or control over my own life and choices is non negotiable. For this reason I only begrudgingly work for other people IF I have to and prefer to be a freelancer as opposed to a wage-slave or a boss. I always hated being one of the few ppl in a corporate team that has work ethic and ends up doing most of the work while others slack off. Its better being a professional, setting boundaries, with a good reputation. I also have 0 commitment in relationships especially to the opposite sex in sexual relationships as these eventually devolve into a situation where I'm just trapped and she nags me with demands. That was always the moment I cut ties and bolted. I was told I'm a man-child for refusing to "grow up" and live the same as people in society. To me tho it just seems like the people who say "peter pan syndrome" or "man child" are just trying to trick me into falling in line and being like them. The very thought of complying is repulsive tbh..
@@Brakka86you have so much trauma. You present as a dismissive avoidant. Which is a trauma response. The fact you think you are being tricked by this information is enough to make this assessment but your entire comment confirms it. Please stay single unless you plan to get help because people like this destroy healthy people. You want control and power because you don’t feel like you have any.
@@Brakka86man u really have that syndrome the way u write text is clear
@@Brakka86 lol you might want to care about intelligence too. Seems like you lack it. Any person with a brain can easily dominate you.
thanks about the father thing mentioned, I struggle hard with that, but I came to realize it myself. We can not pick our parents and we can not turn back time.
Our fathers, for better or worse, did their best. If I became a father around 28 like my father did, well....I was not ready to be one, I still have to work on a lot of things, but I would have prolly done the same mistakes my father has done with me.
So yeah, lets work on our daddy and mommy issues, without fully blaming our parents and just keep developing! Society needs strong men! Not some fkn weaklings. We have to grow up, but on our own terms for sure!
Jeez, I am 56 and I can identify with all of these 5 signs. Scarey, but true. The journey starts here...
It's never too late. You can do this 💪
I feel 15 still but I am 37 I feel like i am stuck at that time of my life I met my ex-girlfriend. We was together 20 years and I still feel I’m still there 😢
Any memory older than 18 months which still creates an emotional response is a memory you haven't processed yet. We remain the age we were hurt the most, if we don't do the work on ourselves. You've got a journey ahead.
Save some money and go to Thailand for a couple weeks to a month. Thank me later
@@UpgradeReviewsex isnt the solution for everything lmao
@@OliverCowlishaw How do you change your relationship with anxiety
@@OliverCowlishaw i feel old i tried to go back to drinking smoking and partying but i cant anymore im 33 with grey hair
I am a 35 year old and feel like a child. It even impacts the type of conversations that i have with people my age
Im 25 and i realized im a man child all I do is go to work,smoke weed ,and play the game i live with my mom along with my 3 lil siblings but i pay all the bills no car and dont save money im saying all this because i ask for some words of encouragement, prayers, and harsh criticism/tough love
I always thought/believed that keeping the child in me alive was a way of spiritual growth and an act of rebellion towards what society conditions us to be. Reaching 38 now, still living with mom, lost another job recenty, escaping myself with weed, alcohol and videogames, every relationship run away from when things got a hard, every project, job, course enthusiastic started but never completed...yup I am definition of Peter Pan syndrome... I also loved the film Hook when I was an actual kid.
Thank you for creating this video, it has woken me up in ways nothing else could.
Damn son, 26 years old here. Its insane that I'm coming here now, I'm actually up at 3am watching this. I havent watched the video yet, but I'd like to say I appreciate the effort to help those like me. I've looked all over trying to figure out what's up with me. I'm only now starting to realise that my mom got with my step dad who was originally living at his moms when they met. He raised me for 14 years. He was rude, angry, anxious, avoidant. It didn't occur to me that he was a grown child. I mean it did but I didn't think about how it affected me because I hated him. Noticing it now its almost like I've been competing with him on how to be better at being a man child. I hope its possible to get rid of this autopilot tunnel vision ordeal.
Just with hope as an energy mate, you have a foundation to work on. Being aware of your shortcomings is the most important step, and you have that. Nothings set in stone, just be mindful and act accordingly. You got this!
I feel like everything went wrong with me. Im a 24 year old man with aspergers and my father was a drunken, unstable man and my mom was, as you said, very coddling and it made me rely on her. She even abuses this fact to this day. Fortunetly I didn't tick everything on the list but I still have a lot of shaping up to do. Wish me luck, guys because I really need it
This was really fascinating
And you a have fantastic presence and explaining things ❤
The quote about commitment was excellent. Great vid, mate. Keep it up 👊
Thanks, mate.
6th sign: Having a generic print of the Mona Lisa balancing on top of an Ikea couch.
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This was pure gold and came at the perfect time, the effort and dedication you put into this really shows. Not just explaining the issue but giving actionable steps to overcome them. You’ve gained a like and a subscriber! 🎉
I only recently started a serious career and caring about life. I feel like I am inching toward my goals, but at least I have goals now.
Unfortunately I hit all 5 of these points and then some. Im seeking therapy and hoping to get better while I still have time
Good luck, mate.
This is very good, very good. I like how you broke it down, explained the why, and the exit plan. I think my husband has this. I thought for the longest while he was a narcissist it doesn't really fit his behavior and mindset. Peter Pan syndrome does.
spot on.I clicked expecting a bunch of woowoo shit of manifesting and shit, but turned out to be a really practical set of tips.
about the video, i was a very anxious kid and became a type a personality and was struck with severe anxiety,the kind that the physical symptons made me avoid life pretty much.After years of avoidance, victim mentality and absolute fear of dying I realised the anxiety was not curse instead it is like my anxiety is a alarm to my true path in life, everytime im not being true and honest with my self and stray away from my path , anxiety comes to remind me what im doing
Thanks Oliver. This video resonated a shitload with what's happening/ been happening in my life for years.. liked and subbed
I am 22, I still single because I am not ready to live with someone...
I don't have a driver licence, I live at my parents home and almost finished my studies, I feel like I can't take care of someone. I stopped social medias some weeks ago, and watching news on TV because 90 % of the time it's bad news. It already feel weird to quit studies because I didn't prepare myself. I heard about man-child and google it. And I know now my weaknesses and I am a Man-Child... so I confirmed my decision !
Meanwhile I didn't get over this Peter Pan status I promess to stay single. I have a future anxiety to seek a job or the AI, world's conflict, my parents said I am too much mature because I don't watch TikTok, I don't follow big French youtubers (I am a frenchman) and I always dislike to be Mr. everyone and be so different, my classmates always see me like a wierd man but now I don't care like I did some months ago.
Guilty, another great video brother!
Thankyou, brother!
Great video
Pretty good Oliver, pretty good!
This broccoli zoomer speaks wisdom beyond his years.
Thank you. I already heard that before, but the way you presented it made me click things.
Thank you so much.
I think I need mature friends to help me, and therapy, of course.
I find this video very confusing, because I feel like I have "Peter Pan Syndrome" to a certain degree, due to absent/passive father and all that, but I'm almost the exact opposite of those 5 signs.
You'll be a great dad
I regress often to that mindset. Especially after my burnout. I know what I should do, but my depression and anxiety slow me down all the time.
Wow Oliver Knows what he's talking about, I have ALL the symptoms.
If u really intrestred in this topic, Japanese call this for hikikomori, there is deep understanding of this.
OMFG you know your shit!
I figured a lot of this myself, I am in my 30s now, but did not do much about it in order to fix it. I did fix some, but way more is to go.
Putting it in so well together in words, it is just amazing and give me confirmation on the right perspective. Also yes, this is not surface level shit, but the good actual stuff we need!
Thank you! Like and Subbed! :) All the best to you and your family man!
I'm glad you enjoyed mate. Welcome aboard 🔥
Brilliant! THanks
Oh my God I wish you could have given this talk to my dad :( He wasted his entire life. It was such a drag to know him. And he could have been such an amazing guy.
Thank you for the video. It was very helpful. I can totally relate to everything you mentioned; my story with my parents was a bit different. My father was around but my mom didn’t let him being involved in my childhood. I can relate to being a mommy’s boy and seeking for her comfort in an intimate relationship. Being a gay man it makes it even more twisty because looking for this fulfillment in another man makes it seem very sick from the outside point of view. I would appreciate if you could also talk about this topics related to gay men a bit more. Thanks again Oliver!
I’m 20 but I still feel like I’m maybe 13, 14. Just that kid who would mess about in school with friends and didn’t worry about a single thing in life because “I’ll figure it out later”. Now I just miss being that age and everything is quite overwhelming, hard to find a sense of direction. In some ways I don’t want to grow up and even am slightly scared to, while also wanting to be completely self sufficient and independent and dependable for all those around me. I still try to take action towards anything I can and I try my best to remain disciplined and responsible and mature in all aspects of life but it never feels like I’m truly growing up. Just feels like aging physically with more challenges to face but still stuck in the young years trying to find my way around
Good video. Its all true.
Playfulness is more fun then being boring 😂
It's not all or nothing, Steven. You can be a mature man and still be playful.
The difference is, man children have a kind of fake playfulness/immaturity constantly, and it isn't a choice. They couldn't be serious even if the situation demanded it.
@@OliverCowlishaw emotional maturity
That last bit of the video is spot on. Regardless of all the false “acceptance” movements going around - nobody gives a flying fuck if a man doesn’t have it figured out. Add the fact that attention has become a scarce resource and you get a deeply troubling society for young men and men dealing with PPS to grow.
I watched your video, and I appreciate your point of view. However, in my defense and maybe other people who feel like I do. I think it's important to recognize that all individuals struggle with all of these 5 things to different degrees and at different stages of their lives. And it seems to me you're painting a picture of an idealized man.
That being said, I think what is the most important trait in an adult. Is self awareness, and the ability to recognize your weaknesses and furthermore the willingness to work towards improving one self everyday.
I’m a 52 year old boy
But I know it’s trauma
I still remember being punched in the face when I was in year 4 at primary school I must of been 7 years old I’m 39 years old now I still have no confidence in myself my life has felt like a disaster I lost my mum 6 years ago I still don’t feel like a real man I have to many thoughts and ideas and I honestly don’t feel good about anything
Love it thanks wish ur videos was long to listen in the bath or bed haha ❤
Maybe one day haha
mate, are having call with you for the first time need payments.. did not get that information on the calendly..
As a single parent (mother) to two boys I'd love to know how to fill the void of the absent father without prohibit the boys' journey into manhood
Encourage them to go to sports clubs. Preferably in a competitive setting where male mentorship is required. Combat sports are ideal, in my opinion.
@@OliverCowlishaw yea, makes sence. Tho I think there's a need for broader, more profound guide lines for single mothers to boys. How to parent so they become good men with confidence, drive and integrity.
Sports is good, but not enough. Like broccoli is good, but there's more to a healthy diet. Would love a deep-dive into the subject.
Encourage them to do any MMA. Mixed Martial Arts, fighting sports. It helped me to grow from a teenager into a Man. With mma, you learn to compose yourself, how to defend yourself, it makes you confident and best part: you learn how to manage your anger.
Truth is, everybody, every man woman transperson child feels anger from time to time. When you are practicing MMA, you learn to control that anger and turn it into something constructiv. And also, show them the netflix show cobra kai 😉
Give them some simple chores to do daily and check out some books by Jocko W for children
Discovering your partner is a man child as the effort drops is nothing less than revolting. There are role models everywhere as we move through life, it doesn’t always fall on a father. Men 30+ will have met many role models and discovered that remaining a teen isn’t a good thing. In my opinion it’s just easier to not grow up so they choose not to. What’s even more revolting is man children who show their masculinity by belittling women and treating them as subordinates. I see it often. What a joke. (I’m not talking about all men, neither am I anti men, just anti man child in relationships - also I know a few women like this too! )
Excuse meeee
Your talking like a female.?
What about sub conscious ?
Most adults are.immature
CHILDISH
Peter Pan syndrome comes from trauma as a child..full stop 🛑
Ask me..
The man you shit down..
What was his childhood like?
Usually a father is to blame..❤
“ *Hell is full of parents, especially dads* “
“_George Carlin_”
What's the female version, syndrome name? Must be one.
And it's more common than male version nowadays (but males are gaslighted otherwise, shaming tactics, especially in public space).
Had a rude awakening with woke writers for gaming companies, like Sweet baby, then i saw exactly 2 vids from Jordan Peterson, then i found myself here.
Idk how much blame to take, or to project to others, because i grew up with adhd and autism. But i’m thankful i have a part time job. I’m 25, and many people would say i’m young. But i don’t think so. I think i’ve thrown away a lot of opportunities between forgetting and refusing to take my meds in college. I wound up detoxing from them while doing garden work at a monastery, and now i’m a garbage guy for a local general store. I feel like i’ll always be asling questions because the only i answers i know are “repeat what you learned” which i adopted at school, “run from your problems and feelings” which i learned when a kid betrayed my opinion of my crush to my whole class, and “just go with it” because i want to be nice to others even if i didn’t always agree. So i became passive, receptive to my whims. But i just got my first chicken cooked with my mom’s help despite her being sick. It… feels bad making her give me the help i need. I wish i grew up sooner. And I fear I’ll wish that every day until my final breath.
Maybe i should look for some kind of carpentry thing, i got some teaching while at the monastery from building small porches in the hermitage.
Thank you
So I have number 1 and 5 but I'm 20 years old, do I have Peter Pan Syndrome?
Oliver what are your thoughts on ADHD?
Guilty of a few of these. Im under 20 so there is hope
I was doing good, but then I tried to date and it brought out all of my trauma all over again.
That's what dating and relationships do. Bring our pain/trauma to the surface. Hope you're well, mate.
How does this not have a million views?.. man keep going you are great!
How did you get inside my head? The diagnosis I received is ADHD, not this, though.
I needed to see this video to know that I was a man-child 6 years ago
Thank you so much Oliver
Well done on your growth, Ronny!
Thanks...
Is this also why I’m gay?
My mother was my father and mother at the same time until I was 15, because my dad was always working outside of 🇺🇸, and I learned how to cook, clean and even babysitter my brothers.
Now I’m gay, I’m 34 but I feel 19. I see my friends and I see them super old looking and I’m say to myself “ew they ugly and fat” and I look at myself and I look super young on the mirror.
Also I’m afraid to get old the thought scares me so much and idk I keep thinking about things I wanna do but then i realized I’m old not young. I want to be normal and have a family. Even tho I’m gay I haven’t had a boyfriend or girlfriend or sex. I’m just a dam teen. Also my friends are 19-25. Is crazy and embarrassing now
What if you're not gay? lol You sound more confused than anything. Just saying...
You're probably a man child based on what you said, but being a man child has nothing to do with being gay. There are many straight guys in the comments relating to being a man child too.
Damn the wording is so specific ´´looking to climb back inside the womb´´ I had that exact thought when i hugged my mom on lsd, that felling of safety from the outside world.
I really like this video, seems like my overthinking can lead me to these explanations that seem to be right, only problem is that i don't do anything with that information, even thou I feel better in my own head at least something I guess.
Everything that you said fits so perfectly, now I just need to actually do something and not just make more excuses to waste time on pointless entertainment that is not even entertaining anymore mostly just a way to escape.
What is the female version
Barbie syndrome?
I have PTSD and narcissistic abuse and childhood trauma and my father was never really in my life my dad cheated on my mom they divorced when I was 13 and I’ve been avoiding my life and stuck in grief and loss and pain emotional trauma and complex trauma
It is devastating - I have the same from my entire nsrcisstic family cult system
I'm all of these but i'm a women
I have been diagnosed with ADHD about four years ago, but lately I’ve come across this and I feel this fits me a lot more. Is this a thing
I just, don't like with most people.. I look back, I could been divorced twice.. I don't drink or do drugs or smoke.
When your truly a empathic like myself . Avoid certain things.. to keep your brain from mental stress.
I don't do conventions or gaming.. I read alot.. and hobbies..
Is it bad?
Everyone at school has this
Thanks for this video. The guy I like exhibits man child behaviors in his 30s. It’s so hard to be with him, so I think I’m going keep him as friend 😢
All my friends and family warned me that I should not want to “mommy” a man child (rough life)
I feel 80 but Im only 40😅🤣😂...I take it I'm on the right track then😅
This is 100% my father.
I think my recently ex boyfriend has this syndromes exactly all. But i broke up ..being rude to him.. thinking its not my job to explain everything.. but he's really a non violent, call and kind person but lies, does things like a child does. After the break up i thought back all his characteristics.. he is actually a man child he just crave for attention and affection..! 😢 he did those mistakes with me out of immaturity. He never waited me to leave him. He wants to talk to me as a friend. He felt affectionate by me. Well I want to support him being a friend!! But how can i ? Should i tell him that he is a man-child ? Wouldn't that hurt him or shock him?? He seems he thinks he is very smart and mature person lol..!! But i really want to be beside him being compassionate, just a listeners..
beleive it or not the movie x men made me from a boy a man at age eight from 2000 AD because of mystique its like you think disney princesses are cool well watch this and yet disney owns fox which owns the x men
I feel like a psycho inside 🤷🏻♂️
The cause of this was the economic turmoil in 2008, housing crisis, recession, and pandemic. These socioeconomic crisis were the reason as many men when becoming 18 ended up not fulfilling the milestone of having a job, no less a summer job, to help out with the bills at home or start living on their own or finance college to learn the basic skills of independence. This happened to me and I am in my 30s. I went through isolation and regression, but my health and relationship with family began to deteriorate at 18 as the pressure to become independent and an adult were not fulfilled. My recovery outcomes from 2008 crash and hospitalization would have been better if I had supportive family during hard times, but they just made matters worse that I went on a spiral of decline, then housing crisis and pandemic happened. Moment of silence for all those men who are the lost generation.
Im 25 i feel like im 15
Im a manchild but I don't care anymore. I already gave up with life.
The strange this I found about my last relationship {which was after a year and a half of self imposed singledom) was that she believed I pushed her into the mothering role when that’s genuinely the last thing I want. I’ve been through many acts of commitment, overcome addiction, am devoted to my daughter and know that i am also committed to being the man I want to be. I have bipolar and experienced a manic episode which I think triggered her into believing this but I was I’ll - I think this is very different to me being well and did require some input of care. We’ve broken up now as it felt like the relationship polarised us to some degree but more so that she believed something was happening that i honestly don’t agree it was. It still hurts though, I was also 100% committed to her. Better I find someone that can see who I truly am. There was also an age difference….Im 44 and she’s 27.
I just concentrate on eating healthy, getting in shape, try speaking more directly learning to control the situation once in a while. Make direct eye contact treat women the same as men I mean don’t change your personality for women.
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Man I feel like I got fucked at life by not having a father. Yeah yeah blah blah victim mentality, but fr how the fuck do I do this "man" role? 32 and still no clue.
when you watch happily just the right video to send to your wonderful yet peterpanish husband and you realize it speaks to you too 😅😂 we do have a good excuse though - we are artists, so its a bit more tricky because there is conscious choice to keep that wonder ridden free spirit protected and nourished and at the same time grow a strong adult. Not one or the over, but both… which I guess what growing into hero/ess essencially is. Thank you Oliver!! You have super lovely compassionate delivery. There is a term “male mother” you might heard of and these are shaman-like male figures who were the ones to take boys through initiation.. the ones who can hold and embody both - mother’s kindness and father’s clarity and devotion to the one goal.
I can relate. Musician
Interesting….
I was told I was a man child simply because I played video games and race RC cars as a hobby. At first I thought yeah maybe, but I don't know that's the case. Sure I watch porn and do the M word, but I don't do it constantly. I suppose it could be "Compulsive" but it's not something I do every single day and ritualize it. I am committed. I have a wife, two kids, and I take care of them and want to be with them and spend time with them. Now I do have anxiety, but... I'm a combat veteran and a lot of my anxiety comes from a different place and I have been getting help (some therapy and zoloft have helped considerably)... Responsibility? I jump into it. I am well respected at work and in my field. I'm a section manager and I deliver on every single project I'm involved in to a very high degree. When it's time for raises I always get a fat one and I don't believe I have had a year where I wasn't awarded a bonus because I always push above and beyond. I don't lie. My wife tells me I should try to sometimes lol. I'm the opposite, just brutally honest. To a fault. I did not really have a father figure. I had an abusive step father, my biological father just bailed, and had to remind myself that this is not how a man is supposed to treat his children so when I had kids I did it VERY different. So I guess my question is this: Is Peter Pan syndrome or Manchildism defined or is it possible to be defined simply by having hobbies that are considered "Childish?" Thoughts?
What is the name of the same syndrome for woman?
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What if your a man but everyone treats you like a child?
I am 57 and have never felt like an adult. I was productive and working in my dream career until about 5 years ago. I lost my confidence in my ability to handle challenges so I don't challenge myself in any important way.
Here's a list identifying 20 of these fallacies, along with brief explanations:
1. Hasty Generalization: Generalizing the behavior of some men as "man-child" based on limited observations.
2. Appeal to Authority: Citing his own experience with men to substantiate broad psychological claims.
3. Appeal to Ignorance: Suggesting that the absence of a father or male role model is the primary or sole reason for the alleged psychological issues, without substantial evidence.
4. Begging the Question: Assuming that the "man-child" phenomenon is real and problematic without providing a robust argument to prove this assertion from the outset.
5. Circular Reasoning: Using the term "Peter Pan syndrome" to describe men who act like children and then using childish behaviors to prove the existence of this syndrome.
6. False Dichotomy: Suggesting that men either face life head-on or remain in an adolescent state, ignoring other nuanced approaches to life and maturity.
7. Red Herring: Introducing irrelevant matters like sexual behaviors and their supposed links to emotional connections with mothers to the discussion of maturity.
8. Straw Man: Misrepresenting the opposition by implying that critics or other viewpoints might trivialize the importance of psychological maturity.
9. Overgeneralization: Extending the behavior of a few individuals to all men experiencing similar circumstances.
10. False Cause: Claiming that specific behaviors (like anxiety or sexual compulsions) directly result from a lack of fatherly initiation, without considering other possible psychological or social factors.
11. Slippery Slope: Suggesting that a lack of traditional initiation rites inexorably leads to lifelong immaturity and psychological issues.
12. Moralistic Fallacy: Assuming that because becoming a mature, independent man is desirable, the methods proposed (like facing life head-on) are the only correct ways to achieve this.
13. Bandwagon Fallacy: Implying that because many men reportedly face these issues, the observations and conclusions drawn must be universally applicable and accepted.
14. Appeal to Emotion: Employing emotional appeals to instill fear about remaining a "man-child" rather than using logical reasons why one should strive for maturity.
15. Ambiguity: Using vague terms like "emotional dependency" and "man-child" without clearly defining them, making the argument difficult to analyze critically.
16. Non Sequitur: Claims about sexual behavior and compulsions do not logically follow from the previous arguments about emotional immaturity tied to familial structures.
17. Cherry Picking: Selecting only those instances that support the narrative of failed adult transitions due to paternal absence, while ignoring cases that contradict this narrative.
18. Loaded Question: Framing questions and problems in a way that presumes unproven theories about psychological development (like Peter Pan syndrome).
19. Ad Hominem: Subtly criticizing men who would not watch the video, implying they are in denial or irresponsible, thereby discrediting them rather than addressing their potential arguments.
20. Appeal to Flattery: Commending viewers simply for watching the video as a way to keep them engaged, rather than focusing purely on delivering factual or helpful content.
These fallacies detract from the logical integrity of the argument, relying instead on emotional appeal, generalizations, and assumptions rather than evidence-based conclusions.
"Young men who are overpowered by their mothers [often] escape into the realm of the intellect, to escape the mother's power and the animus pressure, by getting into the realm of books and philosophical discussion - which they think mother does not understand. He saves his mental masculinity but sacrifices his phallus: his earthly masculinity and his creativity. The vitality of action, that masculinity which molds the clay, which seizes and molds reality, he leaves behind, for that is too difficult; he escapes into the realm of philosophy. There is no real question behind such philosophy. Such people have no genuine questions. For them it is a kind of play with words and concepts and is entirely lacking in any convincing quality." - Marie-Louise von Franz
I invite you to put at least as much energy into questioning your motivations here as you did with this comment.
That is assuming that your comment wasn't a Chat GPT response (which it definitely is).
Very nice presentation. And most convincing. Don't worry about the reply from someone who doesn't get it. The question of motivations is irrelevant to the logic you have presented, but not a surprise when someone is logically outgunned. He also made a lot of assumptions about you that have not been proven, as a kind of indirect attempt at insulting you. Also, there is an ego thing going on with the other gentleman. It is all about what is true, not about who has the truth or how it was found (by you or GPT). Overall though, I do like that he is trying to help.
While I appreciate the dialogue your video has initiated, I am under no obligation to agree with your perspectives. My initial comment was intended to encourage a substantive discussion based on the content and claims you presented. Unfortunately, rather than addressing the points I raised, your response seemed to divert to personal assumptions about my motivations and the tools I used, such as ChatGPT.
Regarding your usage of Marie-Louise von Franz's quote, it appears to serve as an appeal to authority rather than a direct engagement with the logical criticisms I offered. Von Franz, despite her contributions to psychology, was not immune to the common pitfalls of humanistic theories, such as reliance on authority, confirmation bias, and overgeneralization. These are not trivial academic points but are central to ensuring our discourse is grounded in robust argumentation rather than reverence for authority.
In your response, there was an opportunity to clarify or deepen the discussion about the psychological themes you explored. Instead, it felt like the complexities of individual and cultural experiences were overshadowed by a broader, possibly oversimplified narrative. For instance, my background, influenced by diverse familial and cultural dynamics, offers a different lens on the role of parental figures, challenging the universality of the scenario depicted in your video.
Lastly, it seems there is a commercial aspect to your channel’s theme, which might influence the content you produce. While there's nothing inherently wrong with this, it’s vital for viewers to consider potential biases that might arise from entrepreneurial interests, especially when the content touches on personal and societal well-being.
@@OliverCowlishaw The response from the video uploader contains several rhetorical strategies and potential logical fallacies:
1. **Ad Hominem**: This fallacy occurs when the argument is directed against the person rather than the position they are maintaining. Here, the uploader suggests that the commenter's motivations need questioning, and implies that the comment lacks genuineness because it might be generated by ChatGPT. This attack on the commenter's motivations and the insinuation about the use of an AI detracts from addressing the actual content of the comment.
2. **Red Herring**: The uploader introduces a new topic about young men being intellectually dominated by their mothers and escaping into intellectual pursuits, which is not directly relevant to the logical fallacies listed in your original comment. This shifts the focus from the original discussion about logical fallacies in the video to a different psychological analysis, thereby avoiding addressing the issues raised.
3. **Straw Man**: By suggesting that those who engage deeply in philosophy or intellectual pursuits are merely escaping from reality and that their discussions lack genuine questions or convincing qualities, the uploader is potentially misrepresenting the nature and value of philosophical discourse. This generalization does not engage with the specific arguments you presented and instead criticizes a distorted version of intellectual engagement.
4. **Genetic Fallacy**: This fallacy involves dismissing a claim based on its origin rather than its merits. The uploader hints at dismissing your comment by questioning whether it was generated by ChatGPT, implying that if it was produced by AI, it is inherently less valid or worthy of consideration.
5. **Appeal to Motive**: This fallacy occurs when a conclusion is dismissed based on the presumed motives of its proposer rather than the merits of the conclusion itself. The uploader’s suggestion that you should examine your motivations implies that your argument might be biased or personally motivated, which does not address the substance of your comment.
In defense of using ChatGPT:
- **Tool for Enhanced Communication**: ChatGPT, like any other tool, aids in communication by helping users articulate their thoughts more clearly and efficiently. It can serve educational purposes, improve writing skills, and facilitate discussion by providing information or framing arguments.
- **Promotion of Critical Thinking**: Using ChatGPT can promote critical thinking by offering perspectives or arguments that the user might not have considered, encouraging deeper engagement with topics.
- **Accessibility**: ChatGPT makes complex information more accessible to people who might have barriers to traditional educational resources, thereby democratizing access to knowledge.
The intent behind using ChatGPT should be to enhance discourse and provide support in formulating well-rounded arguments, not to replace genuine personal engagement. Its use in crafting a comment, as long as it fosters constructive discussion and critical thinking, is a legitimate augmentation of human capabilities.
-ChatGPT :)
@@Devilcry2k6 could you tell me what did you ask chat GPT to generate such a great breakdown of possible imperfections in manner of debate ?
I have no interest in relationships and prefer the joys of Nature since age 5. Is this avoiding Life? I don't get it.
There is no official blueprint. Please explain. To me, Success is not needing it.
i like being celibate despite a sex drive and some porn. It is a much more peaceful existence.
nah im a man i have none of these issues i used to tho
The background music is so annoying you can’t even bare to listen to this guy speaking.
The cure for this is just doing the work. Whatever work that needs to be done, you do it. Even if you don't have a job, surely there is something that you can do. Preparing meals for example, cleaning the house, cleaning yourself, any domestic work. Try to get an online remote job if you're good with computers. Maybe there is someone whom you can help. Never be idle, always do something. Even breathing exercises or meditation, it's a kind of work too.
This is good advice. It’s about staying active so you keep improving yourself (in different areas of life as well as by staying active!). For remote, online jobs, one could look into customer service or tutoring!
Thank you for this! I could never verbalize how my state of arrested development felt, and once I heard talk I instantly knew what I was dealing with. 😥 Whew and I’m a woman.
its not my fault my mom was a monster. its not my fault that set me on a path of misery and f-ing up all the time. im 40 now. still nowhere there.
ITS NOT MY FAULT. BUT ITS VERY WELL MY RESPONSIBILITY.
Is this possible to have a Peter Pan syndrome as a girl? Because I may have it
Yes!
For sure. Pretty sure my daughter has it and I definitely do.
I am a man child but honestly i ain't made to impress a girl or anyone and i am who i am and fell save being even in this day in age .
The problem with this era besides neglect fathers is also unprecedented inequality in wealth and resources.
Many intelligent, logical guys would love to dive into their nature talents but know that they may never receive worthy success because everything has been done before and there are so many corners and areas of business that are already too cornered by massive wealth and corporate control, it would be nearly impossible to earn the success you deserve for the effort thus we have the toxic grind where you are working or thinking of work every waking moment just to stay relevant.
On one level I agree with you.
On another I see that the internet has created such a massive opportunity for niche exploration/monetisation.
I've built this personal brand from nothing and it's how I earn a living. And I did it based on my own interests.
The best niche is YOU and it's something you absolutely can monetise and pour your creativity/intelligence into.
Everything you're saying is all fine and dandy, but these adolescents are not going to pay any attention to any of this good advice. The first step in reaching these adult adolescents is to get them to listen. That is nearly impossible
This was a very informative video, but the electronic "music" in the background sucked. I found it irritating and distracting.
My case is different still. I'm a complete nihilist (anti-natalistic nihilist, if you must ask), and I feel like where I'm down, it's way harder to find my way up than just "being a manchild". But it's ok. I learned to live with it... Sorta. I need to just find my people... If I can even bring up the motivation for that. I'll be ok...
Yeah im revolted by him now. Hes 32 peter pan syndrome. Had to get his mummy to pick up stuff from his exs house it had been months almost a year. His mummy made up going on holiday to that area to convieniently pick up the stuff . He didnt see anything wrong with this?. Lies about having a bafta working with people like anne marie and aj tracey. His film skills are basic level to get an entry level job which is cool but hes all " im a professional editor etc". He wont look at entry level and refuses to get any job that isnt in film
i have a spongebob poster in front of me, guess that makes me a "man child"
This is less to do with personal psychology and more to do with the fall in standards of modern society.
Agreed.