This a very apt review. If you look back at the 80’s show You can’t do that on television. Nickelodeon has been slightly inappropriate since then. Not being a chef LewBert is none other than Barth. (Barf)edit
trina’s “chicago” had more of a cultural footprint than everything perez hilton has ever done, to this day whenever i hear the word “chicago” i still sing her song lmao
Compared to the other characters' behavior, Cat is written in a way where her worst behavior seems like a sign of severe mental illness, while the rest just seem plainly malicious. I think that's part of what makes her sympathetic. She's written as if she simply doesn't know better.
What's funny is: Robbie is revealed to own a bunch of cardboard cutouts of Cat, with the joke being like "haha don't ask why I have this". Meanwhile, Tori is revealed, IN THE SAME EPISODE, to have _a Jade costume,_ and it goes completely uncommented on. Nobody bats an eye. That's normal, apparently.
It’s literally just a less funny version of the gag of Buford having cast molds of everyone in Phineas & Ferb. The bit THERE was that he had those of _everyone,_ and that it was common knowledge. THAT made it fucking hilarious. This version? _Just creepy._
I think the main issue that followed Victorious was that the main character was surrounded by literal Broadway trained musicians and we were supposed to believe that she was the most talented in comparison. Victoria is no doubt talented, but the Broadway training of 3 of the main characters is evident by comparison.
Very true. I feel bad for Victoria because of the hate she got. It’s not her fault the writers did a terrible job. People need to realize actors aren’t their characters. Plus they did her dirty, shy make her the star, then give her a cast that completely outshines her? I like her voice even though her voice isn’t as powerful as Liz or Ariana, I think Victoria’s voice is soothing. She has more of a jazz voice, the pop style they used on the show doesn’t suit her. If you listen to her and Leon’s cover of “Baby, it’s Cold Outside,” Tell Me that you Love Me, and her new song Treat Myself.
Seriously. Its *so* obvious in the Freak the Freak Out episode. In Liz and Ariana’s song, Ariana’s FIRST line spans like 12 notes. I don’t think Victoria’s song even covers an octave.
Danielle Monet is actually such a talented physical comedian. Like her slapstick is insanely good. I know we were meant to hate Trina, but she was always the most hilarious to me.
My favorite guy trio moment is when Robbie becomes sad and Beck arrives with a watermelon and states "Robbie loves watermelon" and then Robbie just hugs it. It's weird but a nice moment.
One thing that really bothers me about the bird scene episode is that in all of Tori’s attempts she never actually changes the way she performs it? She just keeps adding stuff like props and costumes but her actual delivery is the same every time. It’s very style-over-substance and tbh I feel like that kind of encapsulates the the vibe of the show lmao
I watched this show’s Italian Dub, and there the line delivery did change with every attempt. It just gets a bit more exaggerated every time but it was an attempt.
I thought it was implied she had to follow a given script that all other students had to follow, so it was how she went about delivering the script that mattered
Trina not getting selected for that reality show in season 1 is the most unrealistic thing in the world, producers would be SALIVATING to get someone like her on a reality show
It's actually terrifying how this show (and Dan's other shows) are seemingly trying to normalize adults flirting with and grooming minors, and it probably worked for some kids. They portray it as a completely normal thing that just happens all the time
You want to know something even worse? One of the main actresses started dating (and iirc got married) with one of the people who worked on set who was about 20 years older than her. Now, I don't have a problem with age gaps... but that's only as long as they're both consenting adults. She was 17.
@Unoriginal Kōhai well sadly yea but what I mean is it's NOT normal, even if society sometimes treats it like it is, and you'd think a kids show would have enough common sense to portray it that way but they go the complete opposite direction, as fucked up as real life is I feel like most of these situations would not just be brushed off as a joke even irl
@Unoriginal Kōhai oh yea same, super weird when family members would say stuff like "he's gonna be such a ladies man when he gets older", idk how to explain what I meant but I feel like we're on the same page
@@364-unbirthdays8 They got married in secret a bit ago i believe? She also confirmed they moved in together the second she turned 18, it's gross. What's insane is that she's grown up since and she still is with him. I hope she's okay but it really just sounds like she was groomed for years and just.. stayed that way
Not gonna lie, when I was a kid, this show convinced me that adults being attracted to/hitting on high schoolers was like... normal. Only now that I'm an adult and reflecting on this do I realize how utterly fucked and dangerous that is.
As a teenager at the time of this show airing, and a teenager who wrote copious amount of fic for this show, I always remember thinking: "Wait... do they take normal math and science and English classes or...?" And a lot for fic writers just.... made them take these classes. Which, in hindsight, I find funny that fanfic writers were more concerned about this than the actual writers were.
if they were at a performance high school, chances are the english and math classes are either actual english and math classes or english and math classes built to whatever performance art the student was doing…if that makes sense (idk anything about performing arts schools so idk)
@@milkflys mmm, maybe high school is different then, it’s also a show about performing arts kids so maybe they only show the classes that highlight it (theater, stunt class, choir, etc)
I remember watching 2:12:04 and thinking “I can’t believe he called his dad’s rewatching of Beverly Hillbillies a ‘project.’” A year later, I had no fucking idea what I was in for.
@@federicacucchetti3792same 😭 I hardly even got an hour in, it was just such an overwhelmingly long video. It probably would’ve taken me a month to actually finish it
Recently I made a comment to my friends about how this show was uncomfortably sexualized and had a lot of rape jokes, and they all looked at me like I was insane for knowing enough about the show to make that comment. And then I had to explain that the only reason I had any context about it was because I watched a 5-hour long breakdown of the entire show. That did not improve their opinion of the situation.
To be fair, this is a great breakdown. I know this because current me is laughing at how all of this shit went over past me. Also if you were my friend and your context was a FIVE HOUR breakdown Id have to believe you off rip.
I've always thought acting was really fun, I've enjoyed doing voices and stuff like that, but I've never taken a theater class because I've been afraid of the kind of people that'd be in the classes. I don't know if that's a realistic perception or not, but I'd already endured trying a graphic design degree, and there were a lot of intolerable people in those classes.
@@WasatchWind as someone in theater classes, you got the passionate ones who want to try. and then usually the ones who don't do anything unless needed. The intolerable ones are very few but still there and would refuse to do the simplest things that require very little of them just off the fact they have to act. (Based on my experience)
It would have made SO much more sense from a storytelling perspective if Trina was the golden child. It would explain her ego, why she got into the school first while Tori wasn't considered, AND make Tori automatically more likeable in the audience's eyes. Just have their parents favor Trina!
I think the parents favored her growing up, but at this point they are over it. Funny enough though, that just makes them look like worse parents when probably the intention was the opposite.
That’s an interesting perspective but maybe Trina not being the golden child is why she has such and inflated ego. Constantly seeking and attention and trying to be the “main attraction.” If the show would have written Trina as the annoying attention seeker but with the purpose of getting positive recognition from her parents who don’t seem to like her, maybe people would like or relate to her better.
@@symawi312 it depends, some people would develop an inflated ego because they are desperate for attention, and you're actually also still right, because very often it turns out to be a mask that is overly compensating for their own lack of self worth and self esteem
It’s increasingly baffling that Trina is the hated one when Robbie’s actions have gotten them in all kinds of trouble, made them cancel ping pong, almost killed Tori, and got them literally thrown in a foreign prison.
Robbie's crimes: - whatever tf he does while playing Pirates that Cat doesn't like. WTF did he do to her??? - Robarazzi - Everything Rex says and does - Drank their last bit of water in that heat wave episode - Ordered caviar and is somehow surprised it was expensive - Love bombed Trina and didn't stop after she and Cat both told him it's inappropriate - Injuring the food truck man Whats the worst thing Trina's done? - Injured the food truck man
Funny story: I was an extra on a movie with Avan Jogia (Beck) and I made a joke while he was walking by; he laughed and turned to give me a fist bump. Cool dude
I think the reason why is because as Quinton mentioned they were trying to sell Victoria as a pop star. I think the reason they chose her even though she was the worst singer was because of her look. Ariana has a petite physique that most people don't like. I personally prefer smaller women but most don't. Elizabeth isn't ugly by any means but she doesn't have the face of a teen pop star. Honestly if I had to pick one of the 3 to be a teen pop star to compete with Miley Cyrus I would have probably picked Victoria to.
the most unrealistic thing about this show is that two kids were doused in melted cheese & were only mildly inconvenienced. i’ve gotten hot nacho cheese poured on me while working food service & had to go home early with second degree burns all over my hands
yeah, even soft cheese melts at 130°, which just so happens to be the temperature at which we get second degree burns, and that cheese could've easily been hotter.
The "Beck is attractive if you're seventeen" joke is so funny to me personally because I was seventeen when I watched this video for the first time and I thought he was attractive. Now it's two years later and I've changed my mind lol.
I don't know if it's just me but when I started watching Victorious when I was like 15 yrs old, I was like "hmm, he looks OK to me" now I'm currently 17yrs I still don't get the hype LOL but I agree to that one reply that he looks finer now he has facial hairs
Really? When I was younger I always found Andre and Robbie to be more attractive than Beck, I never really understood people thinking he’s super hot, and I still don’t now.
The fact that they don't develop as characters but still exist in a universe with icarly, who do, is easily explained by the fact that that's just how people in california are
avan (beck) has said before that he has no recollection of filming victorious because he was struggling with alcohol addiction at the time. he was absolutely plastered the entire show.
Oh my god I had no idea, that’s so sad. I rewatched victorious recently, im 21 and a recovering drug addict myself, and I couldn’t even tell he was fucked up, I guess he hid it well. Very sad
The silly puppet has dreadlocks, speaks with an "urban accent," is canonically good at rapping, is offended by a specific word when not said by a fellow puppet... oh no...
I also find it funny that the person who beat him in the rap battle is Sam, who is basically black-coded... they really didn't have ANY non-white writers on these shows did they
The real kick in the balls is that if you actually brush the dolls hair with the little doll hairbrush, it would absolutely ruin it and that’s why you see dolls in the thrift store and stuff with rats nest of hair
I mean, if you brush from the bottom it won’t be bad. Not like they gave us that info, so it definitely created tangles But… as someone who had dolls, I don’t think the ultra-tangled rat nest happened from just brushing. I know that if I set one down on a piece of cloth and just wiggled them around, their hair would be done for. I don’t honk many thrift store dolls were kept in a doll stand before arriving there
very disappointing that you didn’t mention the entire conceit of the episode “Beck Falls for Tori” was because the writers asked Avan Jogia if he wanted to do anything specific and his one request was to dress in drag
I make this comment so I never forget this anecdote. Hey, this is really funny because I just realized it now, one hour and 56 minutes later, but whoa haha my girlfriend just proposed to me while I was watching this video in the background! Just as I was watching this video, she went downstairs to receive an Amazon package, and suddenly I was surprised when your Victorious video stopped and a Carpenters song started playing. I turned my head and saw her on her knees with some super beautiful Star Wars rings, and she said, "I'm sorry, but I couldn't wait" (our anniversary is on May 4th because we're ridiculously nerdy and love Star Wars, and she had ordered this gift but it arrived early) and honestly, I was in shock, still am, and I'm so happy and thrilled, and it's so absurd that it happened during a 5-hour video about Victorious. I'm a big fan of your videos and Billiam's too. Greetings! Keep uploading such awesome videos!
Likely a coincidence, but Home Improvement actually did a similar gag years before, only it was a home ec class. this is useless knowledge, but I know it and now you do too.
It's actually pretty realistic too lol. I think when my dad was in college or high school, he chose Cooking Class just because he thought there would be girls there. Instead it was mostly guys who had the exact same idea who showed up. I won't lie though, I find it a little creepy when people do this, but they're teenagers so I don't blame them for wanting to stare at people they might have a crush on. Like when some girls would go to the basketball or football court just to watch the guys play.
@@lepotato135 I would first assume trying to get into a girl-heavy class would be to have more people to meet/possibly date rather than solely augle. Though honestly High School dance & cheerleading shows at rallies always got me as creepy. Sure it is good exercise and it is arbitrary that it is mainly women in said groups. But having a bunch of high school girls in skimpy/showy outfits perform in front of an entire student body raises alarm bells in my mind.
Her only crime is being annoying, but that’s it. She didn’t cause several people in critical condition to be neglected because the doctor had to fake a puppet’s death.
It's not that Victoria Justice is untalented, she's clearly very talented, but it was just jarring to see her presented as the _most_ talented in a cast that featured Elizabeth Gillies, Leon Thomas III and _Ariana Grande_ all of whom had performed on Broadway before this. Even as a small child watching Victorious I could tell that Cat and Jade were _much_ better singers, and was super annoyed that they rarely got any chances to sing.
Ariana Grande is a much bigger celebrity than Victoria Justice now and this is just a mere Teen Nick show which isn’t very hardcore with their teen sitcom shows just as Disney Channel isn’t so it really has no meaning that Victoria Justice played the main character and got more singing roles especially when Nick and Disney aren’t even the big leagues and seeing what Ariana Grande has accomplished is accomplishing and will continue to accomplish after leaving Nickelodeon she really doesn’t care that she didn’t sing a whole lot on that Nick show and quite frankly neither do I and neither should you or anyone else everything Ariana Grande has done is doing and will continue to do in pop culture is far superior to a mere Nickelodeon show so who cares if Victoria Justice was singing a lot more on Victorious cause like I said before Ariana Grande is a much bigger celebrity than her in the real pop culture stage of the entertainment industry.
@@fluteaboo Victorious is just a mere Nickelodeon show that’s way too kid friendly just like all the other Nick and Disney shows it’s not a real teen sitcom show and Ariana Grande not singing a whole lot on a mere kiddy Nick show who cares she’s a big celebrity now more famous than Victoria Justice and it’s not because of Nickelodeon it’s because she made it to the real big league pop culture entertainment stage.
@@studentathlete7751 what are you even trying to say? Like I actually cannot understand you. I don't think this is intentional, but when you put your thoughts into an unpunctuated, unformatted block of word vomit it makes it sound like you're rambling at full speed and constantly on the verge of running out of breath
@@madeliner1682 I’m sorry but I didn’t think that punctuation and format is so important in a UA-cam comment section. Anyway what I’m trying to say is this, Why does it matter and why does anyone care if Victoria Justice sang a lot more than the other cast members on Victorious? I mean Victorious is just a kiddy show on Nickelodeon it’s not a real teen drama sitcom show and it’s not on ABC CBS NBC Fox or any channels like them. People over here complaining about Victoria Justice singing a lot more than everyone else on the show just why? I mean look at her now she’s not even a celebrity pop star icon. Did all that singing on Victorious make Victoria Justice a celebrity pop star icon no it didn’t. Look at Ariana Grande compared to Victoria Justice. Ariana Grande wasn’t even the leading main character of the show in fact her name was 5th in the intro and look at where she is now. Ariana Grande is a lot more famous than Victoria Justice. Ariana Grande is a huge celebrity pop star icon and one of the greatest best pop culture music artists. Ariana Grande made it big in Hollywood entertainment and is one of the greatest best pop singers ever. Victoria Justice on the other hand well she’s pretty. Ariana Grande is also pretty and is a much bigger celebrity than Victoria Justice. Ariana Grande is a superstar. Starring on a Nickelodeon or Disney Channel show means nothing to anyone. What you do after leaving Nickelodeon or Disney is all that really matters and counts. There are a lot of Nick and Disney stars and only very few of them actually become big time celebrities after that. The only ones I can count from the top of my head are Ariana Grande Miley Cyrus Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato. These 4 girls didn’t become big time celebrities because of Nick and Disney it’s what they did after leaving Nickelodeon and Disney that made them the celebrity pop star icons that we know and love. I really don’t understand why it matters and why anyone cares about who sang the most on a mere kiddy Nickelodeon show especially when Ariana Grande who wasn’t even the leading main character of the show is now a big time Hollywood entertainment pop culture superstar and a much bigger celebrity than Victoria Justice who was the leading main character of the show. Now do you understand what I’m saying?
hey dude, just wanted to say that as someone who’s been very depressed your videos have been such a big help for me. not only for my sleep, but also as a tool for me to revisit my childhood. your content is so entertaining and im so excited to keep watching your videos. thanks for the giggles
Five minutes in and the observation has already been made, but I seriously can’t feel worse for Victoria Justice. She was a decent singer and a great teen’s show actor, but they made the mistake of stacking her supporting cast with GOD TIER SINGERS. Broadway people, people who were singers before actors, and Ariana friggin’ Grande! Nobody could stand out as a musician around those people.
Right?! I love Victoria, but they picked a cast that completely outshined her. They did her dirty on her own show but giving her a poorly written character. Her hair and outfits looked great on Zoey 101, but on Victorious they didn’t show how beautiful she was and the costume designer was awful. Victoria was done dirty in every way on her own show and I feel SO BAD for her! She did great in Eye Candy, a show where she really did feel like the star and her acting was good and in her new movies. I also like her song, Treat Myself.
@@talb.1805 she is definitely the worst person a lot of the time, even after they fixed it like how Quinton pointed out. But I also feel like if she was the best singer in the room it wouldn’t be quite as noticeable. When she’s one of the weaker ones it feels like that kid in school who called everyone’s hobbies and work trash because they’re secretly dumb and hope nobody will notice 😂
I really don’t get why so many ppl find Tori’s character unlikeable. She does get outshined, and she does do dumb things (literally so does every other character), but I think she’s fine. She’s just the average person reacting to the crazy weird ppl and situations around her.
Something that fascinates me as I learn about this show through this video is that based on the pilot episode and the "birthday week" thing you'd think Trina is the spoiled "favorite" child of their parents who's always gotten everything she's wanted while Tori is the "unfavorite" child whose natural talents were either never recognized by her parents or outright discouraged to keep her in Trina's shadow, hence why Tori thinks she's untalented compared to Trina and it's only when people outside the family see Tori perform that her talent is recognized, but then you get the stuff with their parents actively hating Trina and completely ignoring her at her own birthday party to record Tori performing and then you realize the writers did not give a shit about the dynamics of that family other than "haha Trina sucks"
honestly narcissism can often be developed as a coping mechanism in children who don't get the attention they need. so her behavior actually kinda tracks, but not in a good way.
Something that only hit me six months after this video came out is that when the gang takes Rex to the hospital in S1 E14 the fact that they have him hooked up to an IV and taking up a bed and it *doesn't* plunge Robbie into crippling medical debt implies that Rex has health insurance.
Or that this show doesn't actually take place in the real Hollywood but any other country on Earth where universal health care is a very normal thing for everyone.
@@robloxtopmyths561 or, arguably sadder, in an AU where America does have free healthcare because it's easier to just. Not address the painful reality that unless you have insurance you can't afford a basic necessity.
i hate that you're right about the girls in the show hating each other. Kat is that friend who's a sweetheart but is picked on and only hangs around the other characters for protection because if she's not being bullied by them she'd be bullied by someone worse. Im not projecting... you are.
I like that in iParty, the girls both realize immediately that they have no reason to be mad at eachother and healthily direct their anger in the direction of the person that wronged them, instead of seeing eachother as rivals. It was honestly nice. Just that aspect of the episode, not the rest. But its a lot more emotionally healthy than this kind of cheating love triangle is usually handled.
Yeah. I never understood why people would get mad at the person their partner cheated on them with, and not the person who cheated on them. They were wronged just as much as them. But I guess it's just anger and confusion before coming to conclusions like that.
Which is incredibly ironic given that in their respective shows, they fight over boys all the time lmao. It was honestly so out of the norm for the script to not go in that direction, that I can only assume it was because it'd be pretty awkward to have Carly and Tori fight over some random dude brought in for a crossover.
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As a kid I picked up on the fact that the Victorious characters never took core curriculum classes, but instead of thinking that was weird/a flaw with the show's writing, my kid brain concluded that it's just how arts high schools are, that they only took fun creative classes. I was jealous because I knew I'd have to go to a normal high school were they taught boring stuff. Now I'm in college pursuing lab science so the "boring stuff" is basically all I work on lol.
Tori mentioned in the show having a science project with Cat in one episode, so I just assumed they didn't want to focus on core classes because that would be a waste. The appeal of the show is the songs and crazy plays they do, other shows focus on history tests and P.E. in normal high schools. I was ok with it as a kid because it was part of the escapism fantasy for me. 🤷♀️
It makes me wonder if one of these students have to take charter schools or vocational schools where it is the only way to concentrate more of their core curriculum than focusing on the main school, where is either if the school budget has spent more money for the arts or it's one of those "Accepted" kind of situation where they opened up a college founded by a college student and don't know anything about the core curriculum, so they can just do whatever they want in their disposal
Beck’s actor drinking underage and forgetting most of his memories of this show feels reminiscent of Dice’s actor from Sam and Cat not remembering very much of his own experience on the show
....I do certainly hope _Dice's_ actor's reason for not remembering much of the show isn't the same as Avan Jogia's, seeing as how he was like. Twelve.
I hated how they made Robbie more creepy as the seasons went along. Like Robbie was suppose to be the quirky weird kid with a puppet or something and now he’s this sexual predator who hides in bushes and has big cut outs of his friends and weird positions? And for what? Fucking ridiculous.
Looking at it now, there’s an underlying anti semitism to his character. (At least to me I could be wrong.) his character is mentioned to be Jewish, and the joke when he asks Trina to convert to Judaism feels wrong to me. It feels less like they’re making fun of Robbie and more like they’re making fun of the religion. He also has stereotypical “Jewish features” to me. Like when anti Semitic people make characterizations of Jews, it’s not dissimilar to Robbie.
Robbie and Rex are based on, and I know you'd expect a comment like this from someone like me, a Batman villain. Arnold Wesker, The Ventriloquist, who hides behind a gangster dummy called Scarface. It's unclear whether Scarface was possessed or Wesker was incredibly mentally ill. The show seems to be leaning far into the mentally ill side and away from the possession. What's funny to me though, is that such an interesting character was more prominently featured in Victorious than he was in all other Batman media.
After binging Victorious I am surprised no one has made a compilation of times people compliment Tori _for absolutely no reason._ Every new boy who meets her thinks she isn't just pretty, but GORGEOUS. she isn't a good singer but a SUPERSTAR. She isn't just talented but THE MOST BRILLIANT ARTIST EVER. It gets very annoying very fast, because it's _completely out of nowhere_ and usually a such a sudden exagerated compliment that you can literally picture the executive writer adding highlights to the entire script like: "This line doesn't make Tori sound flawless enough!" No surprise everyone hates this character. She is a basic girl with plot armor.
@@charlottemartinson omg yes that was so weird! Somebody actually calls her "cheekbones" or "miss cheekbones" or something like that. So many bizarre moments in that show
The part in the reality show where Andre says he dislikes brussel sprouts reminds me of an episode of big time rush where gustavo tweets about disliking brussel sprouts but he made a typo so the tweet reads “i hate brussels” like the city in belgium and the belgians get so mad that it nearly ends gustavos whole career. Idk if the connection was intentional because BTR is not a Dan Schneider nick show but i thought it was interesting.
Rex being a racial caricature is something 100% missed as a kid, but was immediately clocked as I started watching this video and I'm so glad you said something.
I actually started rewatching the show before Quinton even announced he was also. When I watched the pilot, I saw Rex's skin was darker than I remembered, and sure enough next episode from there on out it was much lighter, but seeing that made me start thinking until it clicked about 3 episodes in that "oh no, Rex is black" before also realizing that Rex is black **played by a white man** and I just... yea...
@@theMOCmaster Even as a black kid watching victorious, I didn’t get it. They clearly did a terrible job. Because I (unlike the writers) know what black people are actually like, even in “urban” areas. Just like Cat is obviously Autistic and Adhd, I didn’t get that as a kid despite me having both of those things. Because again, I KNOW what we are actually like and the writers clearly didn’t. I wasn’t the biggest fan if Victorious, but I would play it whenever my older nieces and nephews were over (we are around the same age, one older than me.) Now I just…. Cringe.
So, when I was in middle school, I was invited to be a part of a class that was going to make a “movie” and we would then sell the DVD to make a profit for the school. (Which is confusing ethically, but not the point of this story). They got a few girls to write the script. It ended up being primarily filled with physical comedy that was actually just assault and openly bullying and mocking characters that deviated from the norms of what was considered “socially popular” behaviour. And the teacher who was in charge basically had no oversight of anything until the very end. She watched the video (I was on the editing team because I was the only student who knew how to use Windows Movie Editor) and was absolutely horrified by the content. She ended up editing all of the assault and bullying out of the video, and the end product was an absolute mess that made no sense. But at the time, I couldn’t understand why she was so shocked and upset by the content. I mean, that was the humour of all the tv shows we were watching at that time. The script writers had basically just copied plots from Hannah Montana and Zoey 101. But as an adult, I’m kind of horrified by how normalized abuse and bullying here among by peers because of the media was consumed. And I often wonder if this has had any kind of lasting impact in my brain.
AND he did a movie with Robin Williams where he played a young music prodigy...i think?? well it was some movie where he played a young, gifted musician.
Lemme just say....Andre was the best character in Victorious despite the writers doing absolutely NOTHING with his character except making him "the token black kid" in the Victorious group. Dude was so unproblematic & was a great friend to everybody. Everybody deserves to have an Andre in their life. Plus, he's damn talented (Leon Thomas III, that is). His songs were the only ones I downloaded from the show's soundtrack.
he was too cute. he should have been the obvious love interest of the show but.... well, idk how that'd go down with the parents of the very white, mainstream nickelodeon viewership
@@missjazz1010 I feel like I shipped him with Jade more, cause I hated how Tori used him at times and made him drop whatever he was doing to write a song for her and stuff
You know, the writers barely disguised fetish is kinda funny in the realm of books and fanfiction, pretty concerning in childrens animation and actually fucking nauseating when its being performed by teen actors. God I hate Nickelodeon.
I think Cat’s stupidity started to impede on Ariana’s real world singing career for a little bit just after victorious ended and she started to gain momentum. I remember everyone still expecting her to have red hair and wear cupcake dresses all the time and that once she ditched the red hair, Ari the megastar emerged.
That red hair fucking killed her hair dude, the constant bleaching and straightening is why she cut it off and wore ponytail extension in the first place
@Jasmine N. tv shows can have contracts where the directors can have control over the actors hair. this happens with kpop artists quite often (obviously not exactly the same thing, especially culture wise, but still)
@Jasmine N. i think the first few seasons she did get it bleached but then she said her hair was getting really damaged so she ended up having to wear wigs and stuff
as a kid watching victorious I remember thinking "wow how is the actress for Cat not the star of this show, she's definitely going to be famous someday"
A thing I love that’s a fun fact: Trina’s actress is actually a great singer, and most of the background music is sung by her. She also is the “good” voice of Ginger Fox in that iCarly episode.
@@JessicaTayB well, if you're gonna cast a child as terrible at something, it's arguably more offensive if that kid is actually terrible at that thing.
I'll never get over the whole "Tori is the most talented of the group" thing.... Not that Victoria can't sing, she is not a bad singer at all, but when her co-stars are LIZ GILLIES AND ARIANA GRANDE YOU CAN'T EXPECT ME TO THINK SHE IS THE MOST TALENTED!!!!!
Well - You can separate story and reality. But even when it's just the story. Talent needs also training. So there is no reason, why sometimes she gets treated better, get better roles and being that high praised while she was there on the school for such a short time.
0:00 Intro 7:40 Sponsor 10:25 Characters 12:58 Pilot 25:17 The Bird Scene 27:26 Stage Fighting 29:56 The Birthweek Song 34:05 Jade Dumps Beck 37:09 Tori the Zombie 38:02 Robarazzi 42:23 Survival of the Hottest 44:36 Wi-Fi in the Sky 45:53 Beck's Big Break 47:34 The Great Ping-Pong Scam 50:20 Cat's New Boyfriend 53:23 Freak the Freak Out 1:05:10 Rex Dies 1:09:53 The Diddly-Bops 1:19:18 Wok Star 1:20:54 The Wood 1:25:05 A Film by Dale Squires 1:28:29 Sleepover at Sikowitz's 1:31:57 Theatre Classes Analysis 1:37:54 Character Analysis 1:38:47 Tori's Parents 1:40:43 Sinjin 1:42:47 Lane Alexander 1:43:30 Sikowitz 1:45:45 Andre, Beck, and Robbie 1:47:05 The Girls 1:47:36 Cat 1:48:53 Jade 1:49:47 Beck 1:50:19 Tori 1:50:38 Anti-Sitcoms 1:52:12 iParty with Victorious 2:11:22 Intermission 2:13:35 Merchandise 2:23:16 Beggin' On Your Knees 2:28:40 Beck Falls for Tori 2:33:47 Ice Cream for Ke$ha 2:38:44 Tori Gets Stuck 2:41:06 Prom Wrecker 2:45:40 Locked Up! 2:50:54 Helen Back Again 2:58:04 Who Did It to Trina? 3:01:42 Tori Tortures Teacher 3:05:44 Jade Gets Crushed 3:12:29 Terror on Cupcake Street 3:20:17 A Christmas Tori 3:34:30 The Metaverse 3:40:55 Blooptorious 3:46:39 iBloop 2: Electric Bloopaloo 3:49:21 Intermission 3:56:48 Quinton Re2s 4:07:41 Victorious Video Games 4:08:03 Victorious Flash Games 4:16:52 Hollywood Arts Debut 4:35:36 Time to Shine 4:51:17 Taking the Lead 5:23:24 April Fools Blank 5:30:14 Outro
In one of the episodes, Tori says "I'm going to Sikowitz's class," and one of the characters says "We don't have Sikowitz today," so I think they have different classes each day, which would explain how they're able to take so many classes at the same time.
@@Megan-wf2yv some schools schedule a bunch of short classes that repeat each day, and others schedule a smaller set of longer classes that cycle between days (like you have each class every other day).
@@Megan-wf2yv It's a high school, the two schedule's I've had in my experience was A. For my first 2 years, I went on the AB Schedule, which meant that your 8 classes are split up into 4 class blocks. 4 Classes 1 day, 4 classes the next. B. Last 2 years (I'm in my senior year) I've been on the Block Schedule, which means we have 4 classes every day for 1 semester, then 4 classes the next semester.
Depending on the school you attend they do “block” classes which are longer classes ( usually like an hour and a half each ) but after Christmas your classes change versus other schools that do “period” classes these are shorter classes ( mine were like 45 minutes each ) but your classes stay the same all year. I went to different schools through high school & experienced both of these
@@lajsdrjfgosd2357 we had the period schedule at my school, set up in trimesters. Each class was 47 minutes long, 7 periods a day, and we had like four minutes between classes, (because why make things simple for everyone 🙃). We had our main classes that lasted throughout the year, and two or three periods dedicated to "elective" classes, or classes that we could choose to take, and those changed every trimester. So it sounds like there are a lot more ways to do high school than I thought 🤔😅
I got to Quentin singing the theme right as i was losing a run on slay the spire and his enthusiasm perfectly matched my death. 10/10 Quentin, idk what i would do without you
I clicked on this video thinking "there's no way he can talk about victorious for over 5 hours" and now here I am hoping part 2 is just as long and thorough lol
As a kid I LOVED the idea of doing a sleepover and having to stay in a character for the entire time. I still think it’s a cute idea for a sleepover party with friends….but not teenagers sleeping at a middle-aged teacher’s house.
@@incrediblekeenan1751 I mean, he's consistently portrayed as a weird eccentric hippy, which is why he doesn't wear shoes (he wears flip-flops usually, I believe, so I don't see a problem with not wearing shoes in of itself especially in SoCal, but when you combine the other things in the show with it, yeah...I can't defend it.
@@teallineart8805 They're more of open-toed shoes, but I've never actually seen someone consider flip-flops shoes. It's like boots. Boots aren't shoes like you'd normally say.
idk if this changes later in the show but has anyone else noticed that andre is never actually considered as a love interest for any of the main female characters, like admittedly with robbie its often played out for a bit but andre doesnt even get that
It's probably because Robbie is generally used as a joke ship for cat and beck is already with Jade so that would only leave Tori as the remaining main character female for Andre and as we know this particular production group hates Black characters and there's no way they would have the whit girl main character end up with a black guy. Despite the fact that they have good chemistry at least within what the show considers to be good chemistry
@@Theseekinggrowthpodcast i noticed that too. i always shipped him and Tori but it seems he's "not good enough for the main white girl" director/writer is basically racist.
when Quinton said "there is no heterosexual explanation" i immediately realized, if this show got a reboot, there's no fucking way they wouldn't gay bait the hell out of tori and jade, more than they are in this series
And the 'feet bleaching' thing, and the force-feeding cereal, and the roleplaying Jade part...I really hope I've just been on the internet too long and, in fact, it really isn't a fetish of the writers. But I don't have that kind of faith in humanity
Dan Schneider's most poorly disguised fetish is assuming every private school is just one really long chain of theater classes well, that and the mind-numbing barrage of foot-related gross-out gags for sitcoms aimed at the 8-14 demographic. it's like he took everything he learned from working on Better Off Dead and Head of the Class and somehow just missed the point entirely.
The treatment of Trina actually really upset me as a kid. I thought they hated her because she wasn't a talented singer and as someone who also sucks at singing (but daydreamed about being a singer all the time) it really hurt. It felt like the message of the show was "you can achieve your dreams and have everything and everyone will love you but only if you're born special". Weirdly validating to hear this pointed out even though I'm in my 20s now
I agree. This show unintentionally had a terrible message that people are born being perfect at something without practicing and you don’t need to practice, improve, or work hard, things will just be handed to you because your the main character and hard work won’t pay off. and HSM had the same message. What’s sad is that this show easily could have had a good message if it had been about Victoria’s character working hard to get into the school and working hard and struggling to stay in. It could have had a good message about how practice and hard work pays off and how not everyone will be good at everything, but they can always practice and hone their skills and craft.
They could’ve had it where Trina had to learn to accept she wasn’t good at singing but she found another aspect of performing she was good at like dancing or song writing or whatever. Kinda like the message of Monsters University
I feel like this is really common in a lot of kids' media, at least in the west. Selling the fantasy of being great at something without really trying, or being born into power, whether that's royalty or something supernatural.
@@StarlightPrism yeah definitely! I think I picked up on it especially with this show because Trina was meant to be hated because she was an asshole, but they made every other character an asshole so the only difference was she wasn't talented. They could have made their point without making her character apparently talentless 🦪
Rex not dying truly pains me to this day. I was so happy when he died as a child I hated him so much. Still do. I wanted Robbi to grow as a person and obviously nothing would ever change with Rex there
The fact that they set up Trina with martial arts skills and dancing skills makes me think maybe they should’ve included an arc or an episode or at least a side plot of Trina getting into stunt doubling
......Considering THESE writers im not sure that wouldve ended very well. Remembering the Several stunt double injury jokes prompted specifically by the Gibby Dies incident..................
I went to the school that “Hollywood Arts” is supposed to basically be a stand-in for (LACHSA - Los Angeles County High School of the Arts), can confirm, our class schedule was 1. Theater class 2. Different theater class 3. Third theater class 4. Yet another theater class 5. Final theater class - with, of course, “FOOD TRUCK LUNCH BREAK”. Oh, and an optional extracurricular “History of the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln Class”.
@@visassess8607 lol, I am not rich. I grew up paycheck to paycheck, scrounging for change in my couch & my parents’ car to make it to the end of the month. LACHSA is a public, tuition-free school that i got into based on my audition & GPA. 65% of the student body are minorities & something like 1/4 are economically disadvantaged.
I'm scheduled to get my fallopian tubes taken out tomorrow. I'm excited for it but I'm also anxious about it. I put this on in an attempt to calm my nerves and it's working so strangely well. Thanks for being there for me, Quinton.
You know what would’ve actually been really cool? If Tori became a director or a manager/agent instead of an actor/singer. Like if she found out her real talent was bringing people together, helping people uncover their skills and be confident as performers, etc It would’ve been a great character arc for her realizing she doesn’t need to be on stage to be important. Like man. What if she realized Trina had an actual great talent and helped her sister book gigs and stuff??
Comedians still need booked gigs for their shows/routines, especially live performances. Also wouldn’t that be so wholesome, the two sisters figure out their true talents together being comedy and management and they work together to make their careers grow.
They should have hired you in the writers room. It was constantly embarrassing to see Tori being clearly out performed by her peers, but she was always catapulted to the front because she was "the star". Even the kid with the dummy was funnier than her.
"we're not counting crimes in this video, because the show is a crime itself" That explains it. I think that, if he were counting the crimes, it'd have broken him even harder.
Man, one thing that's stuck out to me while watching these is just how young the actors/actresses are. Like as a kid watching I didnt really notice, but as an adult I see that there are _children_ performing on stage.
It's wild. In shows like Riverdale and Vampire Diaries we're used to seeing 25 year olds playing 16 year olds. But if you watch the first couple seasons of Hannah Montana they are BABIES
When I was a kid I literally refused to watch the episode where Rex "dies" because of how creepy and messed up it felt. The visuals and the episode in general was a total disaster in my mind. The heatwave episode is another major one that I remember making me incredibly uncomfortable and anxious... a kids show should make a kid feel none of these bad emotions. What a wreck.
This videos are great for my ADHD, working long hours is great if it's the spam of "one UA-cam video" but then one UA-cam video is long hours and that makes it so fucking easier to do stuff for a long time omg
In episode 1, I always thought Jade calling Tori a “dog” was nickolodeon for “bitch”. Especially when tori is on all fours and Jade says “Whats the matter… dog?”
To refer to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln as “theatre heckling” is perhaps the most theatre kid perspective. I don’t doubt that John Wilkes Booth would have used that as his defense, bravo.
The only thing I could think of when he talked about that was the Always Sunny episode where Mac and Charlie beat a bunch of kids unconsious in slow motion
@@fugyfruit In that case, you could debate that the kids deserved it. In Victorious the kid just recorded a song he liked and shared it on the internet. The difference in justification makes the child murder either funnier, darker, or both.
On Helen's note, most people getting educational degrees work odd jobs. It makes total sense that she worked at the movie theatre and then had the ability to become a principal. Same time I was getting my undergrad I was working at cirus.
Yeah if you think about it, that was kind of a dumb point that he raised, since yeah the majority of people in education will have a side job until they complete their degree.
I'm honestly kinda surprised you didn't mention, or maybe i missed it, that robbie actually moves his mouth a little when rex talks, like he's actually the one doing the voice he's doing a lot of work to make the whole ventriloquist thing look legit despite it being a second voice and it's really cool
I've never noticed him pretending to ventriloquize. Personally, I think it's better that it never looks like he's projecting his voice because when the show was airing, I always liked the idea that Robbie was his own living entity. I always hoped they would hint at that more in the show
I literally cringed when you said the Christmas episode was the first episode filmed when all of the cast was 18 I feel so disgusted by how the producers treated the girls
It was a teen show of its time, people weren't as angry as we are today because it was different times, times when people didn't raise an eyebrow at this. Now it's incorrect to do the shows like this, it was common before, all shows did it, MTV, Disney (sometimes) and Nickelodeon had it all the time
I just don't think Victoria has "star/main character" type talent, especially for a show dedicated to performing arts. Writers tried their hardest to somehow make the view believe she was just the greatest, but when you're not even top 3 most talented singer or musician(ariana, leon, and liz) on the cast it makes it kind of tough. Also never letting the talented Leon Thomas sing a song without it featuring her was another terrible decision. The guy is a Grammy award winner who has written/produced for Ariana, Drake, Post Malone, and Jay-Z among others. Liz being the lead would've made this show more believable.
I've seen this opinion before and that is that Jade would have been a great main protagonist. Can you imagine her having Tori's storyline? She's an asshole like Tori but that's actually acknowledged and has consequences and she owns it. Imagine her in a fish out of water scenario, from being an outcast kind of goth girl who lacked confidence, to people finally seeing potential in her and her growing into her own. The progression of her character is her asserting herself into that friend group, taking over the school and meeting and dating beck. And her chemistry with ariana could be more focused on and she couldve been more of a co-lead. Victoria Justice would still fit into the show but not have to try to outshine her Broadway trained cast members. The show would thusly be called "Jaded." It's been shown that audiences can root for the mean girl if she's a good character in other ways, like Alex Russo, Blaire Waldorf or Fallon.
Well, Ariana Grande wasn’t an obvious candidate at the time. Nickelodeon was looking for a star who could compete with the stars Disney were putting out like Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez & Demi Lovato. Despite the popularity of iCarly, Miranda Cosgrove could not hold a candle to Miley (who was her biggest competitor). Victoria had the looks and the talent and was a fan favorite on Zoey 101. So it made for an easy transition to have Victoria Justice as their it girl. The Music Business is a Business. Ariana Grande isn’t the only person who can sing like Mariah Carey. She isn’t special. You can go on UA-cam or visit your local church choir and find women with phenomenal voices that can sing just as good, if not better. Ariana Grande had to drastically change her image to succeed. She changed her hair, she lost a lot of weight, she began tanning, she got plastic surgery…and by the time 2014 came around, she was practically a very different person than how we met her in 2010. Victoria Justice didn’t have to change herself. She was the perfect package. Also, there’s been whispers of shady things that happened behind closed doors, especially between Ariana & Dan and her relationship with him. Sleeping your way to the top is quite common in Hollywood. Wouldn’t put it past anyone.
@@hudak55And this Show didn't got any songs, at all.. and the intro isn't even sung by Ariana Grande nor Jenette McCurdy! They didn't gave they're stars a chance to sing! That's why the Disney channel stars are more successful. They actually let them sing in they're shows/movies. Drake Bell has sing some songs, but they aren't as iconic as these from Victorious or Hannah Montana. Miranda Cosgrove only sung in iDo and iPartywithVictorious. And Victoria Justice? To much competition which made it hard for her. Ariana Grande? They didn't gave her any songs to perform on Sam and Cat.
I have to say, I love that their rap in iParty with Victorious have ABSOLUTELY no flow whatsoever. Not as in, “they’re offbeat” but as in “they are literally talking”
it absolutely boggles my mind how badly people can fuck up rap in shows like these. i write lyrics for fun and am tone deaf with no rhythm. i am not good at it. but i'll hear attempted rhymes by these writers and just kinda go "HOW" and they never cast people who can deliver on the flow in any way and put them 2 feet from someone who could freestyle not knowing the plot and sound brilliant 😑
The guidance councilor lotion scene was so transparent it was actively shocking. The history of the joke is supposed to be a spray bottle, like a spraying animals? Not… lotion?? Like they had to go out of their way to do that and there’s literally no excuse they could possibly give for it
I genuinely cannot believe I forgot that scene happened until watching this video, flew completely over my head as a naïve middle schooler but now,,, it's just so Undeniable At 21
it also begs the question, why does this guy keep a bottle of lotion in his office? I dunno if thats supposed to be a normal thing, but i have never seen a school counselor with lotion in their office. And i have talked to a lot of school counselors. I might be looking too deep into this but given all the other weird sexual innuendos of the show, i think its worth mentioning
@@docbrown538 I'm not a school counselor, but I've always kept lotion in my offices when I'm in a desk job. Moving a lot paper dries your hands out like crazy, I have to use it multiple times a day
My parents didn't allow me to watch Monster High as a kid because it was "too ghoulish" but on the other hand were completely fine with my brother playing The Last Of Us. Where is the justice?
When I was a kid, I legit thought Perez Hilton was some kind of bizarre parody of Paris Hilton due to their similar names. I still have no clue why he was even in the episode, was he the only "celebrity" they could afford or something?
at that point, perez hilton and his website were still incredibly relevant, although there were more and more people criticising him. as for his name, it IS a parody of paris hilton as it’s not his real name. perez hated paris so much that he just had to steal her name apparently?
Quintonnnnnnnnnn how could you mention Tori's parents without talking about the fact that they're constantly cheating on one another - specifically how Tori's mom has the hots for the dad's cop partner?
This video just unlocked so many memories of stuff I had buried DEEP in my mind. The Robbie paparazzi episode in particular made me feel awful and gave me a permanent, deep hatred for changing in public restrooms at school for P.E Its crazy how some shows can mess with your juvenile mind and you will never know until you're watching some crazy guy review the entire iCarly universe.
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Dan Schneider really does seem to be the Lars Von Trier of children’s television.
please make a video like this about the cw show THE 100..
This a very apt review. If you look back at the 80’s show You can’t do that on television. Nickelodeon has been slightly inappropriate since then. Not being a chef LewBert is none other than Barth. (Barf)edit
@@successogochukwu4363 I would love for a big youtuber to talk about the 100
trina’s “chicago” had more of a cultural footprint than everything perez hilton has ever done, to this day whenever i hear the word “chicago” i still sing her song lmao
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Same lmao 😂
When I was a kid I thought the musical “Chicago” was what she was singing
This shit make me cackle, where’s the lie 😭😂
This rendition lives rent free in my head
"Cat is just a nice person, she doesnt deserve the hate from the other leads"
10 minutes earlier
"Cat dates Shinjin just to steal his credit card"
I swear, Kat is just the definition of Chaotic good
Ghosting the 911 calls is also pretty mental lol
Im pretty sure Cat is just spelled with a C, not a K.
honestly that's just #girlboss behavior /j
Compared to the other characters' behavior, Cat is written in a way where her worst behavior seems like a sign of severe mental illness, while the rest just seem plainly malicious. I think that's part of what makes her sympathetic. She's written as if she simply doesn't know better.
The most disappointing thing about iPartyWithVictorious is that we didn't get to see Sam and Jade interact with each other.
I mean there’s a Sam and Cat episode called “TheKillerTunaJump” specifically about that interaction
@@rockinoshamas7249 probably because they knew they fucked up the first time by missing that opportunity.
It truly is a crime tbh
Don’t worry. The spin off Sam and Cat covered that dynamic
There is.... I have a screenshot TT
What's funny is: Robbie is revealed to own a bunch of cardboard cutouts of Cat, with the joke being like "haha don't ask why I have this". Meanwhile, Tori is revealed, IN THE SAME EPISODE, to have _a Jade costume,_ and it goes completely uncommented on. Nobody bats an eye. That's normal, apparently.
Girls are allowed to be stalkers, apparently.
It’s literally just a less funny version of the gag of Buford having cast molds of everyone in Phineas & Ferb. The bit THERE was that he had those of _everyone,_ and that it was common knowledge. THAT made it fucking hilarious. This version? _Just creepy._
I think the main issue that followed Victorious was that the main character was surrounded by literal Broadway trained musicians and we were supposed to believe that she was the most talented in comparison. Victoria is no doubt talented, but the Broadway training of 3 of the main characters is evident by comparison.
Very true. I feel bad for Victoria because of the hate she got. It’s not her fault the writers did a terrible job. People need to realize actors aren’t their characters. Plus they did her dirty, shy make her the star, then give her a cast that completely outshines her? I like her voice even though her voice isn’t as powerful as Liz or Ariana, I think Victoria’s voice is soothing. She has more of a jazz voice, the pop style they used on the show doesn’t suit her. If you listen to her and Leon’s cover of “Baby, it’s Cold Outside,” Tell Me that you Love Me, and her new song Treat Myself.
@@briannalee1998 I agree 100% and it didn’t help that it was obvious that she rarely performed next to Liz and Ariana.
I don't know, man. She wasn't great in that Rocky Horror reboot I'm still trying to forget.
Also her character was just rude and self centered
Seriously. Its *so* obvious in the Freak the Freak Out episode. In Liz and Ariana’s song, Ariana’s FIRST line spans like 12 notes. I don’t think Victoria’s song even covers an octave.
Danielle Monet is actually such a talented physical comedian. Like her slapstick is insanely good.
I know we were meant to hate Trina, but she was always the most hilarious to me.
She was way too obnoxious for me to like but way too entertaining for me to hate
Trina was one of my favorites tbh
I'm kind of mad she was only able to show off her singing in one episode which was essentially a fever dream and definitely not canon.
trina was actually my favorite lol
If that became a part of her character, being more into the physical performance over vocal performance, she could have become a less abrasive person
My favorite guy trio moment is when Robbie becomes sad and Beck arrives with a watermelon and states "Robbie loves watermelon" and then Robbie just hugs it.
It's weird but a nice moment.
@Jared Jams that would have crossed the line.
@Jared Jams OOF
Lol very wholesome!
what episode did this happen again
@@kakyoin7761 the hambone king
One thing that really bothers me about the bird scene episode is that in all of Tori’s attempts she never actually changes the way she performs it? She just keeps adding stuff like props and costumes but her actual delivery is the same every time. It’s very style-over-substance and tbh I feel like that kind of encapsulates the the vibe of the show lmao
i used to think THAT was why she got it wrong 😭😭
I watched this show’s Italian Dub, and there the line delivery did change with every attempt. It just gets a bit more exaggerated every time but it was an attempt.
I thought it was implied she had to follow a given script that all other students had to follow, so it was how she went about delivering the script that mattered
Trina not getting selected for that reality show in season 1 is the most unrealistic thing in the world, producers would be SALIVATING to get someone like her on a reality show
"That young woman is a self-centered attention hog, with no regard for human decency...get her on T.V!"
Right?! She is exactly the kind of person they would have picked to be on a reality show as a person to start drama
@@comingupooo man I love Gravity Falls
@@DaShoopdahoop ayyyyyyy
She'd be on MTV or Bad Girls Club
It's actually terrifying how this show (and Dan's other shows) are seemingly trying to normalize adults flirting with and grooming minors, and it probably worked for some kids. They portray it as a completely normal thing that just happens all the time
You want to know something even worse? One of the main actresses started dating (and iirc got married) with one of the people who worked on set who was about 20 years older than her. Now, I don't have a problem with age gaps... but that's only as long as they're both consenting adults. She was 17.
@Unoriginal Kōhai well sadly yea but what I mean is it's NOT normal, even if society sometimes treats it like it is, and you'd think a kids show would have enough common sense to portray it that way but they go the complete opposite direction, as fucked up as real life is I feel like most of these situations would not just be brushed off as a joke even irl
@Unoriginal Kōhai oh yea same, super weird when family members would say stuff like "he's gonna be such a ladies man when he gets older", idk how to explain what I meant but I feel like we're on the same page
@@364-unbirthdays8 They got married in secret a bit ago i believe? She also confirmed they moved in together the second she turned 18, it's gross. What's insane is that she's grown up since and she still is with him. I hope she's okay but it really just sounds like she was groomed for years and just.. stayed that way
Not gonna lie, when I was a kid, this show convinced me that adults being attracted to/hitting on high schoolers was like... normal. Only now that I'm an adult and reflecting on this do I realize how utterly fucked and dangerous that is.
As a teenager at the time of this show airing, and a teenager who wrote copious amount of fic for this show, I always remember thinking: "Wait... do they take normal math and science and English classes or...?" And a lot for fic writers just.... made them take these classes. Which, in hindsight, I find funny that fanfic writers were more concerned about this than the actual writers were.
if they were at a performance high school, chances are the english and math classes are either actual english and math classes or english and math classes built to whatever performance art the student was doing…if that makes sense (idk anything about performing arts schools so idk)
@@amarachavezno i went to an art school and core classes were not tailored for the arts at all lol they were completely normal classes
@@milkflys mmm, maybe high school is different then, it’s also a show about performing arts kids so maybe they only show the classes that highlight it (theater, stunt class, choir, etc)
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I've seen that fanfic writers are better than actual writers on shows a surprisingly large amount of time
I remember watching 2:12:04 and thinking “I can’t believe he called his dad’s rewatching of Beverly Hillbillies a ‘project.’” A year later, I had no fucking idea what I was in for.
Yeah
im so upset cause i only got to watch around 8 or 9 hours and now i will never know what happens in the next 30
He called Trina Tootsie here! HE REFRENCED HEAD OF THE CLASS TOWARDS THE START OF THE VIDEO!!!!!
@@federicacucchetti3792same 😭 I hardly even got an hour in, it was just such an overwhelmingly long video. It probably would’ve taken me a month to actually finish it
@@sketchycat6223 omg same i powered through the first 4 or 5 hrs and then i watched like an hour anday cause it was so muchhhh
Recently I made a comment to my friends about how this show was uncomfortably sexualized and had a lot of rape jokes, and they all looked at me like I was insane for knowing enough about the show to make that comment. And then I had to explain that the only reason I had any context about it was because I watched a 5-hour long breakdown of the entire show. That did not improve their opinion of the situation.
Should have turned it around to you shilling for Quinton, like how his content is so good you’ll watch anything he makes
@FlagrantDefiance And yet here you are too
Your friends sound lame
Honey, your friends are not worth it
To be fair, this is a great breakdown. I know this because current me is laughing at how all of this shit went over past me. Also if you were my friend and your context was a FIVE HOUR breakdown Id have to believe you off rip.
"there's an episode where andre is just really into cheese and it's never brought up again" honestly... that's what being a teenager is like
Ig I'll just take my cheese plate and fuck off then. No pepper jack for you.
Or having ADHD
@@LangkeeLongkee definitely
I believe the same thing happens with ketchup
@@aliahduiker4911 it does too hahahaha forgot about that!
The fact that Sikowitz's class realistically consists of like, 7 people, is accurate to every acting class I've ever taken.
as a theatre major, same.
I've always thought acting was really fun, I've enjoyed doing voices and stuff like that, but I've never taken a theater class because I've been afraid of the kind of people that'd be in the classes.
I don't know if that's a realistic perception or not, but I'd already endured trying a graphic design degree, and there were a lot of intolerable people in those classes.
exactly and the fact that the background people don’t do anything, very true to life. there’s always some kids just there for an easy credit lol
@@WasatchWind as someone in theater classes, you got the passionate ones who want to try. and then usually the ones who don't do anything unless needed. The intolerable ones are very few but still there and would refuse to do the simplest things that require very little of them just off the fact they have to act. (Based on my experience)
My headcanon is that the silent ones are like Theatre Tech majors that dont want to be there but are required
Fun fact: I had no idea who Perez Hilton was, and thought he was the in-universe gender-swapped version of Paris Hilton
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I'm so glad it wasn't just me
LMAOO I can see that tho, esp as a kid
Damn, so no-one else's watched Bad Girls Club ¿
this was me too 😭
It would have made SO much more sense from a storytelling perspective if Trina was the golden child. It would explain her ego, why she got into the school first while Tori wasn't considered, AND make Tori automatically more likeable in the audience's eyes. Just have their parents favor Trina!
I think the parents favored her growing up, but at this point they are over it. Funny enough though, that just makes them look like worse parents when probably the intention was the opposite.
That’s an interesting perspective but maybe Trina not being the golden child is why she has such and inflated ego. Constantly seeking and attention and trying to be the “main attraction.” If the show would have written Trina as the annoying attention seeker but with the purpose of getting positive recognition from her parents who don’t seem to like her, maybe people would like or relate to her better.
@@danielle3040 unless she became truly delusional that wouldn't explain an inflated ego though, that would much more likely lead to confidence issues
@@symawi312 it depends, some people would develop an inflated ego because they are desperate for attention, and you're actually also still right, because very often it turns out to be a mask that is overly compensating for their own lack of self worth and self esteem
I always like Trina better personally, Tori was just irritating despite her actually very good defining qualities.
It’s increasingly baffling that Trina is the hated one when Robbie’s actions have gotten them in all kinds of trouble, made them cancel ping pong, almost killed Tori, and got them literally thrown in a foreign prison.
Robbie's crimes:
- whatever tf he does while playing Pirates that Cat doesn't like. WTF did he do to her???
- Robarazzi
- Everything Rex says and does
- Drank their last bit of water in that heat wave episode
- Ordered caviar and is somehow surprised it was expensive
- Love bombed Trina and didn't stop after she and Cat both told him it's inappropriate
- Injuring the food truck man
Whats the worst thing Trina's done?
- Injured the food truck man
@@wildboywifey6485 I mean she also hid the fact that she had water-
True but Trina is genuinely very pretentious and annoying.
Plus all of Rex's sexual harassment which even if Rex is supernatural Robbie enables it.
@@skyslasher2297 to be fair I'm not sure he has much of a choice
Funny story: I was an extra on a movie with Avan Jogia (Beck) and I made a joke while he was walking by; he laughed and turned to give me a fist bump. Cool dude
Avan Jogia just seems like such a genuinely nice person
@@patiencekillz and now he’s Leon in resident evil. What a guy
what was da joke
@@pearliee there is no joke. he's just a nice person.
@@wolfcub0545 nono, like the joke the person made while Avan was walking by
They literally put the girls in the same Christmas outfit that Community used as a punchline about how sexualizing Annie via infantalization was weird
Trina's "Chicago" subplot is still so funny to me and I sometimes quote myself singing the city Chicago in her voice whenever the city comes up.
it’s a city that’s exciting it’s a city that’s inviting
This is the only bit from this show that I remember fondly
omg sameeee I thought I was the only one 😅😂😂
There’s a lake they call Lake Michigan i think im really fitting in this city is my perfect cup of TEAAAAAA
The doctor sAYs I ain’t ever gonna walk agAIn... Notevenon cRUTCHes!
The underutilization of Elizabeth Gillies and Ariana Grande’s vocal talent is a crime for the historybooks
The writers are clowns
One big reason to watch Dynasty is to hear Elizabeth Gillies gorgeous singing
I think the reason why is because as Quinton mentioned they were trying to sell Victoria as a pop star. I think the reason they chose her even though she was the worst singer was because of her look. Ariana has a petite physique that most people don't like. I personally prefer smaller women but most don't. Elizabeth isn't ugly by any means but she doesn't have the face of a teen pop star. Honestly if I had to pick one of the 3 to be a teen pop star to compete with Miley Cyrus I would have probably picked Victoria to.
💯💯💯
We see enough of ariana now. Too much.
the most unrealistic thing about this show is that two kids were doused in melted cheese & were only mildly inconvenienced. i’ve gotten hot nacho cheese poured on me while working food service & had to go home early with second degree burns all over my hands
yeah, even soft cheese melts at 130°, which just so happens to be the temperature at which we get second degree burns, and that cheese could've easily been hotter.
I find it funny that a side character that was considered the stupid one in the show became a hit singer and was the one who rose, not Victoria.
I hope you’re okay now. 🥺
ye i was wondering what they actually used to film that scene because there's no way you wouldn't (at least wish to) die there.
@@konoyuchilan971 Your comment is irrelevant to this comment thread…
The "Beck is attractive if you're seventeen" joke is so funny to me personally because I was seventeen when I watched this video for the first time and I thought he was attractive. Now it's two years later and I've changed my mind lol.
I'm currently 17 and watching this video and I can't wait for a couple of years to pass so that I'll get over it
Avan Jogia (his actor) definitely aged like fine ass wine, tho. the facial hair does wonders
@@hawkscratch yeah I've seen a few recent pictures of him and he looks great
I don't know if it's just me but when I started watching Victorious when I was like 15 yrs old, I was like "hmm, he looks OK to me" now I'm currently 17yrs I still don't get the hype LOL but I agree to that one reply that he looks finer now he has facial hairs
Really? When I was younger I always found Andre and Robbie to be more attractive than Beck, I never really understood people thinking he’s super hot, and I still don’t now.
The fact that they don't develop as characters but still exist in a universe with icarly, who do, is easily explained by the fact that that's just how people in california are
Hmm I guess 🤷♀️ but how do you explain them not aging?
@@gracekim1998 Maybe that's also a California thing.
California as a realm of lotus eaters is a hilarious thought
Ha "people" good one
@@Haverlock yeah they are people
avan (beck) has said before that he has no recollection of filming victorious because he was struggling with alcohol addiction at the time. he was absolutely plastered the entire show.
I gotta say I did not notice that as a kid, but now that you point it out, he looks pretty tired in every episode.
Being on set with Schneider is obviously very toxic so I'm not surprised someone in the cast was using to order to mentally escape 🤷♀️
Lmao
Where did he say that?
Oh my god I had no idea, that’s so sad. I rewatched victorious recently, im 21 and a recovering drug addict myself, and I couldn’t even tell he was fucked up, I guess he hid it well. Very sad
The silly puppet has dreadlocks, speaks with an "urban accent," is canonically good at rapping, is offended by a specific word when not said by a fellow puppet... oh no...
I also find it funny that the person who beat him in the rap battle is Sam, who is basically black-coded... they really didn't have ANY non-white writers on these shows did they
@@saigeferko6035 nope they did not and every poc who ever worked on any of dan schneider’s shows deserved soooo much better
Oh my God, Rex is supposed to be black
@@jhonandrews2674 WOAH I DIDN’T KNOW THAT
@@saigeferko6035 ...I'm sorry since when is Sam from iCarly a "black-coded" character?
The real kick in the balls is that if you actually brush the dolls hair with the little doll hairbrush, it would absolutely ruin it and that’s why you see dolls in the thrift store and stuff with rats nest of hair
Also kids don't brush the hair of the dolls.
They tape them to the wall.
EXACTLY 😭😭
I mean, if you brush from the bottom it won’t be bad. Not like they gave us that info, so it definitely created tangles
But… as someone who had dolls, I don’t think the ultra-tangled rat nest happened from just brushing. I know that if I set one down on a piece of cloth and just wiggled them around, their hair would be done for. I don’t honk many thrift store dolls were kept in a doll stand before arriving there
idk the tiny doll brushes always worked for me, you just gotta have a good technique
no kids would wash their dolls with shampoo. that causes the nest.
I really want it to be cannon that Sinjin is the most popular guy in school and the main cast are outcasts that only like each other.
Basically the entirety of Community lol
Fuck it, this is canon now.
@@Jacob-Sophiafrrr loll
Ficwriters get on it!!/j
@@carmenmercedes9903take back that slash j! I aint gonna write'r read it but that'on't mean someone else ain't!
very disappointing that you didn’t mention the entire conceit of the episode “Beck Falls for Tori” was because the writers asked Avan Jogia if he wanted to do anything specific and his one request was to dress in drag
Wtf Fr?! 😭✋🏻
Avan is so iconic, apparently the show gave him nothing to do so he decided to just mess around as much as possible
I didn't know that! That's really interesting fun fact
Based Jogia
@@JamesEnwright He co-founded an LGBT awareness organization during the show's run too, what a guy
I cannot believe I watched 5 hours of a victorious analysis and wasn’t bored for one second of it
Same bro same
There’s way too much filler. Nobody clicked on this for 45 minutes of rambling about Garfield.
@@MrRyan-wu4jx shut up you don't know me
@@MrRyan-wu4jx
Speak for yourself
@@MrRyan-wu4jx oh wow I didn’t realize that section was so long until I saw ur comment. I was about to sit through that, thank u
I make this comment so I never forget this anecdote.
Hey, this is really funny because I just realized it now, one hour and 56 minutes later, but whoa haha my girlfriend just proposed to me while I was watching this video in the background! Just as I was watching this video, she went downstairs to receive an Amazon package, and suddenly I was surprised when your Victorious video stopped and a Carpenters song started playing. I turned my head and saw her on her knees with some super beautiful Star Wars rings, and she said, "I'm sorry, but I couldn't wait" (our anniversary is on May 4th because we're ridiculously nerdy and love Star Wars, and she had ordered this gift but it arrived early) and honestly, I was in shock, still am, and I'm so happy and thrilled, and it's so absurd that it happened during a 5-hour video about Victorious. I'm a big fan of your videos and Billiam's too. Greetings! Keep uploading such awesome videos!
thats so cute aww
Omg congrats dude!!!!
this is awesome! congrats!
ok but "boys enter a ballet class to hit on girls; discover that the class consists entirely of boys who joined to hit on girls" is legit hilarious
YOU WILL GET A ZAERO IN THIS CLASS
Likely a coincidence, but Home Improvement actually did a similar gag years before, only it was a home ec class. this is useless knowledge, but I know it and now you do too.
It's actually pretty realistic too lol. I think when my dad was in college or high school, he chose Cooking Class just because he thought there would be girls there. Instead it was mostly guys who had the exact same idea who showed up. I won't lie though, I find it a little creepy when people do this, but they're teenagers so I don't blame them for wanting to stare at people they might have a crush on. Like when some girls would go to the basketball or football court just to watch the guys play.
I also really like the can of lemonade "that you have to stir yourself."
@@lepotato135 I would first assume trying to get into a girl-heavy class would be to have more people to meet/possibly date rather than solely augle.
Though honestly High School dance & cheerleading shows at rallies always got me as creepy. Sure it is good exercise and it is arbitrary that it is mainly women in said groups. But having a bunch of high school girls in skimpy/showy outfits perform in front of an entire student body raises alarm bells in my mind.
I like how the character who is supposed to be hated arguably doesn't do much compared to characters you're supposed to root for
Her only crime is being annoying, but that’s it. She didn’t cause several people in critical condition to be neglected because the doctor had to fake a puppet’s death.
@@farenheit2456 she also didn't waterboard her intoxicated SISTER
@@STRcircaFKR *SURELY* Tori is in the right in these scenarios because the writers said so
@@farenheit2456 Not gonna disagree, but let’s not pretend Jade didn’t show signs of sociopathic behavior…
Jade is not nice to a single person ever, not even her own boyfriend, and dumps coffee on Tori her first day at school like there's no defending her
It's not that Victoria Justice is untalented, she's clearly very talented, but it was just jarring to see her presented as the _most_ talented in a cast that featured Elizabeth Gillies, Leon Thomas III and _Ariana Grande_ all of whom had performed on Broadway before this. Even as a small child watching Victorious I could tell that Cat and Jade were _much_ better singers, and was super annoyed that they rarely got any chances to sing.
Ariana Grande is a much bigger celebrity than Victoria Justice now and this is just a mere Teen Nick show which isn’t very hardcore with their teen sitcom shows just as Disney Channel isn’t so it really has no meaning that Victoria Justice played the main character and got more singing roles especially when Nick and Disney aren’t even the big leagues and seeing what Ariana Grande has accomplished is accomplishing and will continue to accomplish after leaving Nickelodeon she really doesn’t care that she didn’t sing a whole lot on that Nick show and quite frankly neither do I and neither should you or anyone else everything Ariana Grande has done is doing and will continue to do in pop culture is far superior to a mere Nickelodeon show so who cares if Victoria Justice was singing a lot more on Victorious cause like I said before Ariana Grande is a much bigger celebrity than her in the real pop culture stage of the entertainment industry.
What's punctuation?
Of course Ariana doesn't care now. You're missing the point. 📍The viewers were robbed. It would've made a better show.
@@fluteaboo Victorious is just a mere Nickelodeon show that’s way too kid friendly just like all the other Nick and Disney shows it’s not a real teen sitcom show and Ariana Grande not singing a whole lot on a mere kiddy Nick show who cares she’s a big celebrity now more famous than Victoria Justice and it’s not because of Nickelodeon it’s because she made it to the real big league pop culture entertainment stage.
@@studentathlete7751 what are you even trying to say?
Like I actually cannot understand you.
I don't think this is intentional, but when you put your thoughts into an unpunctuated, unformatted block of word vomit it makes it sound like you're rambling at full speed and constantly on the verge of running out of breath
@@madeliner1682 I’m sorry but I didn’t think that punctuation and format is so important in a UA-cam comment section.
Anyway what I’m trying to say is this, Why does it matter and why does anyone care if Victoria Justice sang a lot more than the other cast members on Victorious? I mean Victorious is just a kiddy show on Nickelodeon it’s not a real teen drama sitcom show and it’s not on ABC CBS NBC Fox or any channels like them.
People over here complaining about Victoria Justice singing a lot more than everyone else on the show just why? I mean look at her now she’s not even a celebrity pop star icon. Did all that singing on Victorious make Victoria Justice a celebrity pop star icon no it didn’t.
Look at Ariana Grande compared to Victoria Justice. Ariana Grande wasn’t even the leading main character of the show in fact her name was 5th in the intro and look at where she is now. Ariana Grande is a lot more famous than Victoria Justice. Ariana Grande is a huge celebrity pop star icon and one of the greatest best pop culture music artists. Ariana Grande made it big in Hollywood entertainment and is one of the greatest best pop singers ever. Victoria Justice on the other hand well she’s pretty. Ariana Grande is also pretty and is a much bigger celebrity than Victoria Justice. Ariana Grande is a superstar.
Starring on a Nickelodeon or Disney Channel show means nothing to anyone. What you do after leaving Nickelodeon or Disney is all that really matters and counts. There are a lot of Nick and Disney stars and only very few of them actually become big time celebrities after that. The only ones I can count from the top of my head are Ariana Grande Miley Cyrus Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato. These 4 girls didn’t become big time celebrities because of Nick and Disney it’s what they did after leaving Nickelodeon and Disney that made them the celebrity pop star icons that we know and love.
I really don’t understand why it matters and why anyone cares about who sang the most on a mere kiddy Nickelodeon show especially when Ariana Grande who wasn’t even the leading main character of the show is now a big time Hollywood entertainment pop culture superstar and a much bigger celebrity than Victoria Justice who was the leading main character of the show.
Now do you understand what I’m saying?
hey dude, just wanted to say that as someone who’s been very depressed your videos have been such a big help for me. not only for my sleep, but also as a tool for me to revisit my childhood. your content is so entertaining and im so excited to keep watching your videos. thanks for the giggles
Five minutes in and the observation has already been made, but I seriously can’t feel worse for Victoria Justice. She was a decent singer and a great teen’s show actor, but they made the mistake of stacking her supporting cast with GOD TIER SINGERS. Broadway people, people who were singers before actors, and Ariana friggin’ Grande! Nobody could stand out as a musician around those people.
Right?! I love Victoria, but they picked a cast that completely outshined her. They did her dirty on her own show but giving her a poorly written character. Her hair and outfits looked great on Zoey 101, but on Victorious they didn’t show how beautiful she was and the costume designer was awful. Victoria was done dirty in every way on her own show and I feel SO BAD for her!
She did great in Eye Candy, a show where she really did feel like the star and her acting was good and in her new movies. I also like her song, Treat Myself.
The only mistake was casting her as the lead, she would have been great as a secondary character just like before.
Honestly, she comes off as so unlikeable it's really hard for me to sympathise with her. You're probably correct, though
@@talb.1805 she is definitely the worst person a lot of the time, even after they fixed it like how Quinton pointed out. But I also feel like if she was the best singer in the room it wouldn’t be quite as noticeable. When she’s one of the weaker ones it feels like that kid in school who called everyone’s hobbies and work trash because they’re secretly dumb and hope nobody will notice 😂
I really don’t get why so many ppl find Tori’s character unlikeable. She does get outshined, and she does do dumb things (literally so does every other character), but I think she’s fine. She’s just the average person reacting to the crazy weird ppl and situations around her.
Something that fascinates me as I learn about this show through this video is that based on the pilot episode and the "birthday week" thing you'd think Trina is the spoiled "favorite" child of their parents who's always gotten everything she's wanted while Tori is the "unfavorite" child whose natural talents were either never recognized by her parents or outright discouraged to keep her in Trina's shadow, hence why Tori thinks she's untalented compared to Trina and it's only when people outside the family see Tori perform that her talent is recognized, but then you get the stuff with their parents actively hating Trina and completely ignoring her at her own birthday party to record Tori performing and then you realize the writers did not give a shit about the dynamics of that family other than "haha Trina sucks"
honestly narcissism can often be developed as a coping mechanism in children who don't get the attention they need. so her behavior actually kinda tracks, but not in a good way.
When you put it like that, it almost comes off like maybe Trina's personality was formed by the neglect and hate she got from her parents.
Something that only hit me six months after this video came out is that when the gang takes Rex to the hospital in S1 E14 the fact that they have him hooked up to an IV and taking up a bed and it *doesn't* plunge Robbie into crippling medical debt implies that Rex has health insurance.
Or that this show doesn't actually take place in the real Hollywood but any other country on Earth where universal health care is a very normal thing for everyone.
@@akumayoxiruma or it takes place in a universe where Hollywood isnt in LA, its in Canada.
Now that... is actually funny.
@@robloxtopmyths561 or, arguably sadder, in an AU where America does have free healthcare because it's easier to just. Not address the painful reality that unless you have insurance you can't afford a basic necessity.
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i hate that you're right about the girls in the show hating each other. Kat is that friend who's a sweetheart but is picked on and only hangs around the other characters for protection because if she's not being bullied by them she'd be bullied by someone worse. Im not projecting... you are.
I like that in iParty, the girls both realize immediately that they have no reason to be mad at eachother and healthily direct their anger in the direction of the person that wronged them, instead of seeing eachother as rivals. It was honestly nice. Just that aspect of the episode, not the rest. But its a lot more emotionally healthy than this kind of cheating love triangle is usually handled.
Yeah. I never understood why people would get mad at the person their partner cheated on them with, and not the person who cheated on them. They were wronged just as much as them. But I guess it's just anger and confusion before coming to conclusions like that.
Which is incredibly ironic given that in their respective shows, they fight over boys all the time lmao. It was honestly so out of the norm for the script to not go in that direction, that I can only assume it was because it'd be pretty awkward to have Carly and Tori fight over some random dude brought in for a crossover.
@@hiddenleafdrip3869 imagine if they fought over Fred lol
@@BratzRockAngels Some people just can't compute that the person they trusted would hurt them.
@@lilylopnco That is a good point.
I haven’t seen Victorious in YEARS, but you can bet on the fact that I think of Trina’s Chicago song every single day.
I'm glad I'm not the only one
It's a city that's exciting, it's a city that's inviting, it's a city for a woman just like meeeeee. There's a lake they call lake Michigan, I think I'm really fitting in, this city is my perfect cup of teaaaaaaaa
@@SellaturcicaArt CHICAGOOOOOOOOO CHICAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW
I hear it in my nightmares, lol
It's catchy in the absolute worst way
As a kid I picked up on the fact that the Victorious characters never took core curriculum classes, but instead of thinking that was weird/a flaw with the show's writing, my kid brain concluded that it's just how arts high schools are, that they only took fun creative classes. I was jealous because I knew I'd have to go to a normal high school were they taught boring stuff. Now I'm in college pursuing lab science so the "boring stuff" is basically all I work on lol.
dffudi same except with physics
the 'boring stuff' is fun tv just doesn't know how to show it
Tori mentioned in the show having a science project with Cat in one episode, so I just assumed they didn't want to focus on core classes because that would be a waste. The appeal of the show is the songs and crazy plays they do, other shows focus on history tests and P.E. in normal high schools. I was ok with it as a kid because it was part of the escapism fantasy for me. 🤷♀️
It makes me wonder if one of these students have to take charter schools or vocational schools where it is the only way to concentrate more of their core curriculum than focusing on the main school, where is either if the school budget has spent more money for the arts or it's one of those "Accepted" kind of situation where they opened up a college founded by a college student and don't know anything about the core curriculum, so they can just do whatever they want in their disposal
that's funny bc i went to an arts school when this was airing and was so jealous lol
I swear they had history homework that one time 🤔 I’m ns
Beck’s actor drinking underage and forgetting most of his memories of this show feels reminiscent of Dice’s actor from Sam and Cat not remembering very much of his own experience on the show
....I do certainly hope _Dice's_ actor's reason for not remembering much of the show isn't the same as Avan Jogia's, seeing as how he was like. Twelve.
I hated how they made Robbie more creepy as the seasons went along. Like Robbie was suppose to be the quirky weird kid with a puppet or something and now he’s this sexual predator who hides in bushes and has big cut outs of his friends and weird positions? And for what? Fucking ridiculous.
Looking at it now, there’s an underlying anti semitism to his character. (At least to me I could be wrong.) his character is mentioned to be Jewish, and the joke when he asks Trina to convert to Judaism feels wrong to me. It feels less like they’re making fun of Robbie and more like they’re making fun of the religion. He also has stereotypical “Jewish features” to me. Like when anti Semitic people make characterizations of Jews, it’s not dissimilar to Robbie.
@@alexschneider1667 that’s pretty interesting. I just saw misandry, but I can now also see your point.
@@alexschneider1667 Dan Schneider is literally Jewish so I don’t think that’s an issue
@@KamikazekaitoKoki self hate can show up in weird ways sometimes
robbie and rex becoming one
The puppet literally has whole stories and character arcs to himself. He's absolutely a main character.
And didn't he _die_ at some point, was that just a fever dream I had-
Edit : Watched the video. It actually happened.
@@randomtraveler4149 rex is immortal
@@bingusstan69 As long as Rob doesn't take his Meds, Rex lives.
I remember me and my sister were watching Victorious and my brother came in and said “Bruh Rex is the only cute one”
Robbie and Rex are based on, and I know you'd expect a comment like this from someone like me, a Batman villain. Arnold Wesker, The Ventriloquist, who hides behind a gangster dummy called Scarface. It's unclear whether Scarface was possessed or Wesker was incredibly mentally ill. The show seems to be leaning far into the mentally ill side and away from the possession. What's funny to me though, is that such an interesting character was more prominently featured in Victorious than he was in all other Batman media.
After binging Victorious I am surprised no one has made a compilation of times people compliment Tori _for absolutely no reason._ Every new boy who meets her thinks she isn't just pretty, but GORGEOUS. she isn't a good singer but a SUPERSTAR. She isn't just talented but THE MOST BRILLIANT ARTIST EVER. It gets very annoying very fast, because it's _completely out of nowhere_ and usually a such a sudden exagerated compliment that you can literally picture the executive writer adding highlights to the entire script like: "This line doesn't make Tori sound flawless enough!"
No surprise everyone hates this character. She is a basic girl with plot armor.
LITERALLY!! and that one episode where ppl kept complimenting her cheek bones ?? LMAO
@@charlottemartinson omg yes that was so weird! Somebody actually calls her "cheekbones" or "miss cheekbones" or something like that. So many bizarre moments in that show
@@charlottemartinson to be fair, she does have nice prominent cheekbones lol
Part of what made Zoey 101 impossible to watch too
U don’t have to like tori but Victoria justice is STUNNING and she was definitely the prettiest girl on the show
The part in the reality show where Andre says he dislikes brussel sprouts reminds me of an episode of big time rush where gustavo tweets about disliking brussel sprouts but he made a typo so the tweet reads “i hate brussels” like the city in belgium and the belgians get so mad that it nearly ends gustavos whole career.
Idk if the connection was intentional because BTR is not a Dan Schneider nick show but i thought it was interesting.
oh my god you just unlocked an ancient memory for me
another possibility: Dr. Dodie is actually not one person, but quadruplets who all decided to pursue medicine.
The Nurse Joys of the Schneider-Verse
This pair of comments opened my third eye thank you
that makes much more sense i love it
@@ThatLittleKitten and contrary to the competents Nurse joys, they are imcompetents
@@birritan5479 These comments opened up my fourth eye
Rex being a racial caricature is something 100% missed as a kid, but was immediately clocked as I started watching this video and I'm so glad you said something.
I actually started rewatching the show before Quinton even announced he was also. When I watched the pilot, I saw Rex's skin was darker than I remembered, and sure enough next episode from there on out it was much lighter, but seeing that made me start thinking until it clicked about 3 episodes in that "oh no, Rex is black" before also realizing that Rex is black **played by a white man** and I just... yea...
I can't believe people missed it, I thought Quinton was being sarcastic
yes exactly. i didn’t realize it until right before he said it in the video.
@@theMOCmaster In my defence I was really young, and never thought much about the show after.
@@theMOCmaster Even as a black kid watching victorious, I didn’t get it. They clearly did a terrible job. Because I (unlike the writers) know what black people are actually like, even in “urban” areas. Just like Cat is obviously Autistic and Adhd, I didn’t get that as a kid despite me having both of those things. Because again, I KNOW what we are actually like and the writers clearly didn’t. I wasn’t the biggest fan if Victorious, but I would play it whenever my older nieces and nephews were over (we are around the same age, one older than me.) Now I just…. Cringe.
"Comically long deep dives of shows I've never watched" is now my new favourite genre 👀👀
same
Hey who let you out of the animation dungeon!
Saaaame
I didn’t even know Victorious was a thing
Pryo/ Quinton moment
So, when I was in middle school, I was invited to be a part of a class that was going to make a “movie” and we would then sell the DVD to make a profit for the school. (Which is confusing ethically, but not the point of this story). They got a few girls to write the script. It ended up being primarily filled with physical comedy that was actually just assault and openly bullying and mocking characters that deviated from the norms of what was considered “socially popular” behaviour. And the teacher who was in charge basically had no oversight of anything until the very end. She watched the video (I was on the editing team because I was the only student who knew how to use Windows Movie Editor) and was absolutely horrified by the content. She ended up editing all of the assault and bullying out of the video, and the end product was an absolute mess that made no sense. But at the time, I couldn’t understand why she was so shocked and upset by the content. I mean, that was the humour of all the tv shows we were watching at that time. The script writers had basically just copied plots from Hannah Montana and Zoey 101. But as an adult, I’m kind of horrified by how normalized abuse and bullying here among by peers because of the media was consumed. And I often wonder if this has had any kind of lasting impact in my brain.
"This is just a fetish thing, thinly disguised as a joke" - basically sums up the entire show
When I was a boy I tugged it to that RV episode
5:19:34
Even the game has fetish shit with a "get berated by a goth girl" mini game XD
@@phantomdriver2010 where can i find this game….asking for a friend
@@Sir_Maximus_Hardwood what the fuck 😂
Yep
Just a quick fun fact: Andre’s actor, Leon Thomas III was also on Broadway before Victorious. He was young Simba in The Lion King
FR??? That’s so cool, I just remember him as the singing voice for Tyrone on the Backyardigans 😭😭
AND he did a movie with Robin Williams where he played a young music prodigy...i think?? well it was some movie where he played a young, gifted musician.
@@sherifflasso wait really??
Damn, those kids on that show could sing
@@boop3nowurded538 except for Tori ofc.
Lemme just say....Andre was the best character in Victorious despite the writers doing absolutely NOTHING with his character except making him "the token black kid" in the Victorious group. Dude was so unproblematic & was a great friend to everybody. Everybody deserves to have an Andre in their life. Plus, he's damn talented (Leon Thomas III, that is). His songs were the only ones I downloaded from the show's soundtrack.
he was too cute. he should have been the obvious love interest of the show but.... well, idk how that'd go down with the parents of the very white, mainstream nickelodeon viewership
365 days is such a great song and for me, the best song that was written by Andre.
@@somenothing7914 Absolutely!! I highkey shipped him & Tori and lowkey shipped him & Jade.
@@missjazz1010 I feel like I shipped him with Jade more, cause I hated how Tori used him at times and made him drop whatever he was doing to write a song for her and stuff
He is the Fred from Scooby-Doo of his group.
You know, the writers barely disguised fetish is kinda funny in the realm of books and fanfiction, pretty concerning in childrens animation and actually fucking nauseating when its being performed by teen actors. God I hate Nickelodeon.
I think Cat’s stupidity started to impede on Ariana’s real world singing career for a little bit just after victorious ended and she started to gain momentum. I remember everyone still expecting her to have red hair and wear cupcake dresses all the time and that once she ditched the red hair, Ari the megastar emerged.
That red hair fucking killed her hair dude, the constant bleaching and straightening is why she cut it off and wore ponytail extension in the first place
@Jasmine N. tv shows can have contracts where the directors can have control over the actors hair. this happens with kpop artists quite often (obviously not exactly the same thing, especially culture wise, but still)
@Jasmine N. i think the first few seasons she did get it bleached but then she said her hair was getting really damaged so she ended up having to wear wigs and stuff
dang. should’ve been wigs from the start. i just can’t imagine all that chemical damage
as a kid watching victorious I remember thinking "wow how is the actress for Cat not the star of this show, she's definitely going to be famous someday"
A thing I love that’s a fun fact: Trina’s actress is actually a great singer, and most of the background music is sung by her. She also is the “good” voice of Ginger Fox in that iCarly episode.
They did her dirty.
@@JessicaTayB well, if you're gonna cast a child as terrible at something, it's arguably more offensive if that kid is actually terrible at that thing.
@@JessicaTayB Not reallly, Daniella Monet auditoned for the role knowing that her character was gonna be a bad singer.
I used to hate this guy, now I hate him much less
@@adamlauer1096 Who's "this guy" ?
I'll never get over the whole "Tori is the most talented of the group" thing.... Not that Victoria can't sing, she is not a bad singer at all, but when her co-stars are LIZ GILLIES AND ARIANA GRANDE YOU CAN'T EXPECT ME TO THINK SHE IS THE MOST TALENTED!!!!!
Liz Gilles and Ariana Grande were on Broadway while Victoria Justice was doing sitcoms.
and leon too! leon has helped write a lot of ariana's songs and he is a great singer himself. def in my top 3 victorious singers along w liz and ari.
Well - You can separate story and reality. But even when it's just the story.
Talent needs also training. So there is no reason, why sometimes she gets treated better, get better roles and being that high praised while she was there on the school for such a short time.
@@KaliqueClawthorne exactly Liz deserved the main role in the plays they did she was the best female actress
Not to mention Leon Thomas III is immensely talented!
0:00 Intro
7:40 Sponsor
10:25 Characters
12:58 Pilot
25:17 The Bird Scene
27:26 Stage Fighting
29:56 The Birthweek Song
34:05 Jade Dumps Beck
37:09 Tori the Zombie
38:02 Robarazzi
42:23 Survival of the Hottest
44:36 Wi-Fi in the Sky
45:53 Beck's Big Break
47:34 The Great Ping-Pong Scam
50:20 Cat's New Boyfriend
53:23 Freak the Freak Out
1:05:10 Rex Dies
1:09:53 The Diddly-Bops
1:19:18 Wok Star
1:20:54 The Wood
1:25:05 A Film by Dale Squires
1:28:29 Sleepover at Sikowitz's
1:31:57 Theatre Classes Analysis
1:37:54 Character Analysis
1:38:47 Tori's Parents
1:40:43 Sinjin
1:42:47 Lane Alexander
1:43:30 Sikowitz
1:45:45 Andre, Beck, and Robbie
1:47:05 The Girls
1:47:36 Cat
1:48:53 Jade
1:49:47 Beck
1:50:19 Tori
1:50:38 Anti-Sitcoms
1:52:12 iParty with Victorious
2:11:22 Intermission
2:13:35 Merchandise
2:23:16 Beggin' On Your Knees
2:28:40 Beck Falls for Tori
2:33:47 Ice Cream for Ke$ha
2:38:44 Tori Gets Stuck
2:41:06 Prom Wrecker
2:45:40 Locked Up!
2:50:54 Helen Back Again
2:58:04 Who Did It to Trina?
3:01:42 Tori Tortures Teacher
3:05:44 Jade Gets Crushed
3:12:29 Terror on Cupcake Street
3:20:17 A Christmas Tori
3:34:30 The Metaverse
3:40:55 Blooptorious
3:46:39 iBloop 2: Electric Bloopaloo
3:49:21 Intermission
3:56:48 Quinton Re2s
4:07:41 Victorious Video Games
4:08:03 Victorious Flash Games
4:16:52 Hollywood Arts Debut
4:35:36 Time to Shine
4:51:17 Taking the Lead
5:23:24 April Fools Blank
5:30:14 Outro
"Tori. I take it you know all about the greatest play ever written?"
"Cats?"
this left me reeling
I cried 😭😭 that shit was so out of left field but so funny
I just got to that part. Amazing.
knowing the entire cast of victorious watched this honestly make it 10x better
Omg did they?💀
@valeriaalejandra5288 Matt Bennett said it in the newest video lol
omg how did they react?
Yeah…I didn’t see that coming.
Have you got a link? Can't find it
In one of the episodes, Tori says "I'm going to Sikowitz's class," and one of the characters says "We don't have Sikowitz today," so I think they have different classes each day, which would explain how they're able to take so many classes at the same time.
Is this not just … how school works?,??
@@Megan-wf2yv some schools schedule a bunch of short classes that repeat each day, and others schedule a smaller set of longer classes that cycle between days (like you have each class every other day).
@@Megan-wf2yv It's a high school, the two schedule's I've had in my experience was
A. For my first 2 years, I went on the AB Schedule, which meant that your 8 classes are split up into 4 class blocks. 4 Classes 1 day, 4 classes the next.
B. Last 2 years (I'm in my senior year) I've been on the Block Schedule, which means we have 4 classes every day for 1 semester, then 4 classes the next semester.
Depending on the school you attend they do “block” classes which are longer classes ( usually like an hour and a half each ) but after Christmas your classes change versus other schools that do “period” classes these are shorter classes ( mine were like 45 minutes each ) but your classes stay the same all year. I went to different schools through high school & experienced both of these
@@lajsdrjfgosd2357 we had the period schedule at my school, set up in trimesters. Each class was 47 minutes long, 7 periods a day, and we had like four minutes between classes, (because why make things simple for everyone 🙃). We had our main classes that lasted throughout the year, and two or three periods dedicated to "elective" classes, or classes that we could choose to take, and those changed every trimester. So it sounds like there are a lot more ways to do high school than I thought 🤔😅
I got to Quentin singing the theme right as i was losing a run on slay the spire and his enthusiasm perfectly matched my death. 10/10 Quentin, idk what i would do without you
I clicked on this video thinking "there's no way he can talk about victorious for over 5 hours" and now here I am hoping part 2 is just as long and thorough lol
👍 same
Never even seen the show, but I’m here in disbelief of the run time🤣😅
@@ButChaAreBlanche same 🤣
Damn when I clicked on it I didn’t notice it was 5 hours long 😂
@@teddy1642 same but I’m so invested. I’m watching it in increments of 45 mins a day that all my brain can handle at this point 🤣
As a kid I LOVED the idea of doing a sleepover and having to stay in a character for the entire time. I still think it’s a cute idea for a sleepover party with friends….but not teenagers sleeping at a middle-aged teacher’s house.
@@incrediblekeenan1751 true idk why but it is really unsettling now that you pointed it out
@@incrediblekeenan1751 I mean, he's consistently portrayed as a weird eccentric hippy, which is why he doesn't wear shoes (he wears flip-flops usually, I believe, so I don't see a problem with not wearing shoes in of itself especially in SoCal, but when you combine the other things in the show with it, yeah...I can't defend it.
@@Scsigs Hold on. Why aren’t flip flops considered shoes?
@@teallineart8805 They're more of open-toed shoes, but I've never actually seen someone consider flip-flops shoes. It's like boots. Boots aren't shoes like you'd normally say.
@@Scsigs I don’t know. I just find it a little odd, I guess.
idk if this changes later in the show but has anyone else noticed that andre is never actually considered as a love interest for any of the main female characters, like admittedly with robbie its often played out for a bit but andre doesnt even get that
It's probably because Robbie is generally used as a joke ship for cat and beck is already with Jade so that would only leave Tori as the remaining main character female for Andre and as we know this particular production group hates Black characters and there's no way they would have the whit girl main character end up with a black guy. Despite the fact that they have good chemistry at least within what the show considers to be good chemistry
As a black girl watching this I always thought this! They even brought in black characters for him to be with but never anyone in the main cast
@@Theseekinggrowthpodcast i noticed that too. i always shipped him and Tori but it seems he's "not good enough for the main white girl"
director/writer is basically racist.
@@SlaterRecordsTV honestly they had so much chemistry!
@@SlaterRecordsTV Tori mentioned that she's half-Latina, considering that Victoria Justice herself is part-Puerto Rican.
“Realistically, if you had a DS you’d just put it in your pocket, not a giant wallet.”
Me: *cries in girl pockets*
when Quinton said "there is no heterosexual explanation" i immediately realized, if this show got a reboot, there's no fucking way they wouldn't gay bait the hell out of tori and jade, more than they are in this series
Why the pessimism? Make them canon in the reboot
Gotta make them social media points
When he said that it made me want to know if he was an owl house fan or just terminally online
I'm all for LGBT rep but that sounds abusive and I hate that idea.
Nah Tori and Andre all the way
Missed the “definitely not poorly disguised fetish of the writers” joke with Trina getting tied up against her will. Lmao
i feel like you could taken any scene nd say its a "definitely not poorly disguised fetish of the writers"
AND she's even barefoot on one side, so there's also that
thats was all dan himself lmao
And the 'feet bleaching' thing, and the force-feeding cereal, and the roleplaying Jade part...I really hope I've just been on the internet too long and, in fact, it really isn't a fetish of the writers. But I don't have that kind of faith in humanity
Dan Schneider's most poorly disguised fetish is assuming every private school is just one really long chain of theater classes
well, that and the mind-numbing barrage of foot-related gross-out gags for sitcoms aimed at the 8-14 demographic. it's like he took everything he learned from working on Better Off Dead and Head of the Class and somehow just missed the point entirely.
The treatment of Trina actually really upset me as a kid. I thought they hated her because she wasn't a talented singer and as someone who also sucks at singing (but daydreamed about being a singer all the time) it really hurt. It felt like the message of the show was "you can achieve your dreams and have everything and everyone will love you but only if you're born special". Weirdly validating to hear this pointed out even though I'm in my 20s now
I agree. This show unintentionally had a terrible message that people are born being perfect at something without practicing and you don’t need to practice, improve, or work hard, things will just be handed to you because your the main character and hard work won’t pay off. and HSM had the same message. What’s sad is that this show easily could have had a good message if it had been about Victoria’s character working hard to get into the school and working hard and struggling to stay in. It could have had a good message about how practice and hard work pays off and how not everyone will be good at everything, but they can always practice and hone their skills and craft.
They could’ve had it where Trina had to learn to accept she wasn’t good at singing but she found another aspect of performing she was good at like dancing or song writing or whatever. Kinda like the message of Monsters University
I feel like this is really common in a lot of kids' media, at least in the west. Selling the fantasy of being great at something without really trying, or being born into power, whether that's royalty or something supernatural.
@@StarlightPrism yeah definitely! I think I picked up on it especially with this show because Trina was meant to be hated because she was an asshole, but they made every other character an asshole so the only difference was she wasn't talented. They could have made their point without making her character apparently talentless 🦪
@@StarlightPrism that oyster emoji was a total mistake lmao ignore that
me nodding and sobbing when you asked "is this all that girl toys were?" yes.
Rex not dying truly pains me to this day. I was so happy when he died as a child I hated him so much. Still do. I wanted Robbi to grow as a person and obviously nothing would ever change with Rex there
SAME! I was always so mad at Tori for that
Rex was the main reason I refused to watch Victorious as a kid
ME TOO. Omg I wanted them to get rid of him so badly 😫
SAME
Here to say same!
The fact that they set up Trina with martial arts skills and dancing skills makes me think maybe they should’ve included an arc or an episode or at least a side plot of Trina getting into stunt doubling
that would've been so good!!!
......Considering THESE writers im not sure that wouldve ended very well.
Remembering the Several stunt double injury jokes prompted specifically by the Gibby Dies incident..................
@@Pseudoquarium you know what? you're absolutely right
Or physical comedy. Like when her one woman show became iconic for being a comedy. She would have been a kick-ass comedian. An Amy Poehler type ykwim?
I went to the school that “Hollywood Arts” is supposed to basically be a stand-in for (LACHSA - Los Angeles County High School of the Arts), can confirm, our class schedule was 1. Theater class 2. Different theater class 3. Third theater class 4. Yet another theater class 5. Final theater class - with, of course, “FOOD TRUCK LUNCH BREAK”. Oh, and an optional extracurricular “History of the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln Class”.
truly the essentials
Out of curiosity, what was your actual courseload?
went to the orange county version of this, can also confirm it's the same
Jeez it must be nice being rich
@@visassess8607 lol, I am not rich. I grew up paycheck to paycheck, scrounging for change in my couch & my parents’ car to make it to the end of the month. LACHSA is a public, tuition-free school that i got into based on my audition & GPA. 65% of the student body are minorities & something like 1/4 are economically disadvantaged.
I'm scheduled to get my fallopian tubes taken out tomorrow. I'm excited for it but I'm also anxious about it. I put this on in an attempt to calm my nerves and it's working so strangely well. Thanks for being there for me, Quinton.
I hope your surgery went well! I also listen to Quinton to calm my nerves ❤
@nicolah.6481 it went great! I listened to the whole series as I was recovering, it was just what I needed.
You know what would’ve actually been really cool? If Tori became a director or a manager/agent instead of an actor/singer. Like if she found out her real talent was bringing people together, helping people uncover their skills and be confident as performers, etc
It would’ve been a great character arc for her realizing she doesn’t need to be on stage to be important. Like man. What if she realized Trina had an actual great talent and helped her sister book gigs and stuff??
Comedians still need booked gigs for their shows/routines, especially live performances.
Also wouldn’t that be so wholesome, the two sisters figure out their true talents together being comedy and management and they work together to make their careers grow.
They should have hired you in the writers room. It was constantly embarrassing to see Tori being clearly out performed by her peers, but she was always catapulted to the front because she was "the star". Even the kid with the dummy was funnier than her.
@@IjeomaThePlantMama It's even funnier that they HAD an actual, future superstar in the cast the whole time.
That would've been actually good :0 and they had a whole team of writers
Yes👏👏👏👏
"we're not counting crimes in this video, because the show is a crime itself"
That explains it.
I think that, if he were counting the crimes, it'd have broken him even harder.
Man, one thing that's stuck out to me while watching these is just how young the actors/actresses are. Like as a kid watching I didnt really notice, but as an adult I see that there are _children_ performing on stage.
Yeah, it’s very different from the movie world where the teenagers are played by people in their 30’s.
It's wild. In shows like Riverdale and Vampire Diaries we're used to seeing 25 year olds playing 16 year olds. But if you watch the first couple seasons of Hannah Montana they are BABIES
Unlike now with brooding 25 year olds masquerading as 16 year olds lol
Which makes all of this just SO much more unsettling.
I only didn’t realise these people were only a few years older than me when I watched it. I think Miley was like 12 at the start of Hannah Montana
When I was a kid I literally refused to watch the episode where Rex "dies" because of how creepy and messed up it felt. The visuals and the episode in general was a total disaster in my mind.
The heatwave episode is another major one that I remember making me incredibly uncomfortable and anxious... a kids show should make a kid feel none of these bad emotions. What a wreck.
I think that's just you guys as I never felt uncomfortable watching either episode.
@@dannyphantom3090 Doll stuff always creeped me out so it makes sense. Everyone’s different!
"How come we never sit on that side of the table?"
Has similar vibes to
"If we so rich, why we can't afford no ceiling?"
Apparently, the guy who plays Andre now produces songs for Drake and co-wrote two Ariana songs from her latest album.
Thats good to hear i liked his character
Cool to see that him being a talented songwriter in the show was based off real talent.
He produced the majority of her debut album too!
Leon Thomas III
Which songs?
This videos are great for my ADHD, working long hours is great if it's the spam of "one UA-cam video" but then one UA-cam video is long hours and that makes it so fucking easier to do stuff for a long time omg
In episode 1, I always thought Jade calling Tori a “dog” was nickolodeon for “bitch”. Especially when tori is on all fours and Jade says “Whats the matter… dog?”
it probably partially is but also if you know dan schneiders history it is also definitely a fetish thing
It is both what you said and a fetish thing.
They could have said bitch
@@joshentertainment2 It's a nickelodeon show, they couldn't
@@dagu1801 yeah but it’s the correct terminology!
To refer to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln as “theatre heckling” is perhaps the most theatre kid perspective. I don’t doubt that John Wilkes Booth would have used that as his defense, bravo.
Whitest Kids You Know did an entire skit based on that take
NOW YOU FUCKED UP NOW YOU FUCKED UP
YOU HAVE FUCKED UP NOW
@@SteveRudzinski WHAT
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Usually heckling is aimed at the stage, not someone in the audience.
The idea of the Victorious cast beating a child to death in public whilst a laugh track plays loudly is morbidly hilarious to me.
The only thing I could think of when he talked about that was the Always Sunny episode where Mac and Charlie beat a bunch of kids unconsious in slow motion
@@fugyfruit just watched that episode when i took a break from this video🤣
I imagine as the episode ends the credits are rolling over the scene of them curb stomping him as it fades to black
@@fugyfruit In that case, you could debate that the kids deserved it. In Victorious the kid just recorded a song he liked and shared it on the internet. The difference in justification makes the child murder either funnier, darker, or both.
@bored tired and sad hey, if they tried real hard, it could be both
On Helen's note, most people getting educational degrees work odd jobs. It makes total sense that she worked at the movie theatre and then had the ability to become a principal. Same time I was getting my undergrad I was working at cirus.
Yeah if you think about it, that was kind of a dumb point that he raised, since yeah the majority of people in education will have a side job until they complete their degree.
I'm honestly kinda surprised you didn't mention, or maybe i missed it, that robbie actually moves his mouth a little when rex talks, like he's actually the one doing the voice
he's doing a lot of work to make the whole ventriloquist thing look legit despite it being a second voice and it's really cool
I'm pretty sure robby's actor probably did actually voice rex for filming and line timing, but then was dubbed over in post for the final voice.
People have asked Matt about this and he says that was a complete accident.
I always noticed that, recently I wondered if he was mumbling the lines so he'd know when rex's line was over and he could speak next
@@syra1541 Chances are, someone on the set just gave him visual cues to say his lines.
I've never noticed him pretending to ventriloquize. Personally, I think it's better that it never looks like he's projecting his voice because when the show was airing, I always liked the idea that Robbie was his own living entity. I always hoped they would hint at that more in the show
I literally cringed when you said the Christmas episode was the first episode filmed when all of the cast was 18 I feel so disgusted by how the producers treated the girls
It’s a teen show wtf do you expect
@@liltree8382 not barely legal soft core porn
@Mario dude they had foot fetish material in the show already
It was a teen show of its time, people weren't as angry as we are today because it was different times, times when people didn't raise an eyebrow at this.
Now it's incorrect to do the shows like this, it was common before, all shows did it, MTV, Disney (sometimes) and Nickelodeon had it all the time
@Mario oh they made Ariana do that
I just don't think Victoria has "star/main character" type talent, especially for a show dedicated to performing arts. Writers tried their hardest to somehow make the view believe she was just the greatest, but when you're not even top 3 most talented singer or musician(ariana, leon, and liz) on the cast it makes it kind of tough. Also never letting the talented Leon Thomas sing a song without it featuring her was another terrible decision. The guy is a Grammy award winner who has written/produced for Ariana, Drake, Post Malone, and Jay-Z among others. Liz being the lead would've made this show more believable.
I love seeing Liz in the “mean girl” roles! Of course I don’t want her to be type cast, and I do believe she is talented to play a variety of roles.
The show would work so much better if Liz was the star, then we could have tori as a constant antagonist
You should see Liz in dynasty. She's amazing!
@@JadeNichol99 Thanks, I'll check it out!
I've seen this opinion before and that is that Jade would have been a great main protagonist. Can you imagine her having Tori's storyline? She's an asshole like Tori but that's actually acknowledged and has consequences and she owns it. Imagine her in a fish out of water scenario, from being an outcast kind of goth girl who lacked confidence, to people finally seeing potential in her and her growing into her own. The progression of her character is her asserting herself into that friend group, taking over the school and meeting and dating beck. And her chemistry with ariana could be more focused on and she couldve been more of a co-lead. Victoria Justice would still fit into the show but not have to try to outshine her Broadway trained cast members. The show would thusly be called "Jaded." It's been shown that audiences can root for the mean girl if she's a good character in other ways, like Alex Russo, Blaire Waldorf or Fallon.
The fact that Nickelodeon completely missed out on Ariana Grande is hilarious.
And they tried to make it up by doing Sam and cat. Lol🤣🤣🤣
Well, Ariana Grande wasn’t an obvious candidate at the time. Nickelodeon was looking for a star who could compete with the stars Disney were putting out like Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez & Demi Lovato. Despite the popularity of iCarly, Miranda Cosgrove could not hold a candle to Miley (who was her biggest competitor). Victoria had the looks and the talent and was a fan favorite on Zoey 101. So it made for an easy transition to have Victoria Justice as their it girl. The Music Business is a Business. Ariana Grande isn’t the only person who can sing like Mariah Carey. She isn’t special. You can go on UA-cam or visit your local church choir and find women with phenomenal voices that can sing just as good, if not better. Ariana Grande had to drastically change her image to succeed. She changed her hair, she lost a lot of weight, she began tanning, she got plastic surgery…and by the time 2014 came around, she was practically a very different person than how we met her in 2010. Victoria Justice didn’t have to change herself. She was the perfect package. Also, there’s been whispers of shady things that happened behind closed doors, especially between Ariana & Dan and her relationship with him. Sleeping your way to the top is quite common in Hollywood. Wouldn’t put it past anyone.
@@hudak55And this Show didn't got any songs, at all.. and the intro isn't even sung by Ariana Grande nor Jenette McCurdy! They didn't gave they're stars a chance to sing! That's why the Disney channel stars are more successful. They actually let them sing in they're shows/movies. Drake Bell has sing some songs, but they aren't as iconic as these from Victorious or Hannah Montana. Miranda Cosgrove only sung in iDo and iPartywithVictorious. And Victoria Justice? To much competition which made it hard for her. Ariana Grande? They didn't gave her any songs to perform on Sam and Cat.
I have to say, I love that their rap in iParty with Victorious have ABSOLUTELY no flow whatsoever. Not as in, “they’re offbeat” but as in “they are literally talking”
it absolutely boggles my mind how badly people can fuck up rap in shows like these. i write lyrics for fun and am tone deaf with no rhythm. i am not good at it. but i'll hear attempted rhymes by these writers and just kinda go "HOW"
and they never cast people who can deliver on the flow in any way and put them 2 feet from someone who could freestyle not knowing the plot and sound brilliant 😑
@@Cure_Hana wut?
@@Cure_Hanai love how you just brought up your fave vtuber for no reason in a victorious video essay comment section😭
@Cure_Hana Sir this is a Wendy's
The guidance councilor lotion scene was so transparent it was actively shocking. The history of the joke is supposed to be a spray bottle, like a spraying animals? Not… lotion?? Like they had to go out of their way to do that and there’s literally no excuse they could possibly give for it
I genuinely cannot believe I forgot that scene happened until watching this video, flew completely over my head as a naïve middle schooler but now,,, it's just so Undeniable At 21
it also begs the question, why does this guy keep a bottle of lotion in his office? I dunno if thats supposed to be a normal thing, but i have never seen a school counselor with lotion in their office. And i have talked to a lot of school counselors. I might be looking too deep into this but given all the other weird sexual innuendos of the show, i think its worth mentioning
@@docbrown538 If I’m remembering correctly, the character had a running gag of always having or asking for lotion wherever he was
I remember watching that scene when I was a kind and finding it sooooo funny.... not anymore
@@docbrown538 I'm not a school counselor, but I've always kept lotion in my offices when I'm in a desk job. Moving a lot paper dries your hands out like crazy, I have to use it multiple times a day
parents got so mad over monster high being “inappriopriate” like victorious wasn’t here cracking two r/pe jokes an episode
Shows you how these parents only care about the look of a show and not the content.
My parents didn't allow me to watch Monster High as a kid because it was "too ghoulish" but on the other hand were completely fine with my brother playing The Last Of Us. Where is the justice?
@@pinkred22 ✨Favortism✨
@@FlurryPie0 Yeah, it definitely feels like that some days
@@pinkred22 the Justice is on Victoria's name. Her last name to be precise. Please pay attention in the future.
the interviews with rex i know are meant to be taken as a joke but it is so damn uncomfortable to watch a man harass women
When I was a kid, I legit thought Perez Hilton was some kind of bizarre parody of Paris Hilton due to their similar names. I still have no clue why he was even in the episode, was he the only "celebrity" they could afford or something?
Disney's trash is Nickelodeons treasure unfortunately
i think its his pseudonym & a parody on her name lol
I used to think that Perez was her brother...... We all make mistakes
at that point, perez hilton and his website were still incredibly relevant, although there were more and more people criticising him. as for his name, it IS a parody of paris hilton as it’s not his real name. perez hated paris so much that he just had to steal her name apparently?
In german they say Paris hilton not perez i don't why but that stupid
When Leon Thomas said, "I'm so tired, and pregnant."
Damn I felt that. Acting has peaked
Quintonnnnnnnnnn how could you mention Tori's parents without talking about the fact that they're constantly cheating on one another - specifically how Tori's mom has the hots for the dad's cop partner?
YES!!!
indeed!!!!
How did the dad cheat on the mom?
excuse me WHAT?
Iirc they don’t start that running joke until after the episodes covered here
This video just unlocked so many memories of stuff I had buried DEEP in my mind. The Robbie paparazzi episode in particular made me feel awful and gave me a permanent, deep hatred for changing in public restrooms at school for P.E
Its crazy how some shows can mess with your juvenile mind and you will never know until you're watching some crazy guy review the entire iCarly universe.