The Failure of Victorious
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Well, it's been a big effort and I think I finally have something to show for it. Yes, after the first two iCarly videos, we now begin our voyage into Victorious: famous, or infamous? You decide. Starring Victoria Justice, Ariana Grande, Liz Gillies, Avan Jogia, and Christopher Cane, the show has amassed quite a legacy over the years, and people are even pining for a Victorious reboot these days. Today we start our journey with very little context, but trust me when I say we quickly become immersed in the details.
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0:00 Introduction
12:58 Pilot review
25:17 Season 1
1:31:57 - Season 1 character analysis
1:53:00 - iParty with Victorious
2:11:22 - Intermission #1
2:23:15 - Season 2
3:34:29 - The Metaverse
3:49:21 - Intermission #2: Video Games
5:23:24 - The Foolsverse
5:30:14 - We're Back (and outro)
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OKAY QUINTON DONT MAKE ME COME FOR U WHERE IS MY PART 2
Dan Schneider really does seem to be the Lars Von Trier of children’s television.
please make a video like this about the cw show THE 100..
This a very apt review. If you look back at the 80’s show You can’t do that on television. Nickelodeon has been slightly inappropriate since then. Not being a chef LewBert is none other than Barth. (Barf)edit
@@successogochukwu4363 I would love for a big youtuber to talk about the 100
ok but "boys enter a ballet class to hit on girls; discover that the class consists entirely of boys who joined to hit on girls" is legit hilarious
YOU WILL GET A ZAERO IN THIS CLASS
Likely a coincidence, but Home Improvement actually did a similar gag years before, only it was a home ec class. this is useless knowledge, but I know it and now you do too.
It's actually pretty realistic too lol. I think when my dad was in college or high school, he chose Cooking Class just because he thought there would be girls there. Instead it was mostly guys who had the exact same idea who showed up. I won't lie though, I find it a little creepy when people do this, but they're teenagers so I don't blame them for wanting to stare at people they might have a crush on. Like when some girls would go to the basketball or football court just to watch the guys play.
I also really like the can of lemonade "that you have to stir yourself."
@@lepotato135 I would first assume trying to get into a girl-heavy class would be to have more people to meet/possibly date rather than solely augle.
Though honestly High School dance & cheerleading shows at rallies always got me as creepy. Sure it is good exercise and it is arbitrary that it is mainly women in said groups. But having a bunch of high school girls in skimpy/showy outfits perform in front of an entire student body raises alarm bells in my mind.
I think the main issue that followed Victorious was that the main character was surrounded by literal Broadway trained musicians and we were supposed to believe that she was the most talented in comparison. Victoria is no doubt talented, but the Broadway training of 3 of the main characters is evident by comparison.
Very true. I feel bad for Victoria because of the hate she got. It’s not her fault the writers did a terrible job. People need to realize actors aren’t their characters. Plus they did her dirty, shy make her the star, then give her a cast that completely outshines her? I like her voice even though her voice isn’t as powerful as Liz or Ariana, I think Victoria’s voice is soothing. She has more of a jazz voice, the pop style they used on the show doesn’t suit her. If you listen to her and Leon’s cover of “Baby, it’s Cold Outside,” Tell Me that you Love Me, and her new song Treat Myself.
@@briannalee1998 I agree 100% and it didn’t help that it was obvious that she rarely performed next to Liz and Ariana.
I don't know, man. She wasn't great in that Rocky Horror reboot I'm still trying to forget.
Also her character was just rude and self centered
Seriously. Its *so* obvious in the Freak the Freak Out episode. In Liz and Ariana’s song, Ariana’s FIRST line spans like 12 notes. I don’t think Victoria’s song even covers an octave.
After watching this, I really want Victorious to come back. But as an actual anti-sitcom. Like, they're all in their 30s now, but never found fame. They've continued chasing it and continually failed because they're all terrible people. So we just watch them get into antics being delusional about becoming famous stars. Except Trina. Trina became more self aware, started working hard, and actually became a big star.
Trina and Sinjin are wildly successful, but the rest are failures. They reunite for Sikowitz' funeral, and his will is an elaborate riddle inspired by his class lessons, designed to teach them where they went wrong by taking them through his own history as a failing actor turned theater teacher.
@@BeesechurgerProductionsi don’t think there should be a funeral
because sikowitz was only 45 and this was 10 years ago, so 55-60 is way too young to die.
Sinjin could be a big director/producer(who has been avoiding being cancelled several times). And Trina is now an actress in new york of relative success. Not so big, but making a living as an understudy and extra on Broadway.
@@helpmegetto10kwithnovideos81he seems like the type of guy to die in some crazy killdozer situation but with acting. Like he jumps onto stage with a bomb strapped to his chest and it only kills him or something I dunno
Now would it be funny if Cat ended up being the LEAST successful of all of them?
knowing the entire cast of victorious watched this honestly make it 10x better
Omg did they?💀
@valeriaalejandra5288 Matt Bennett said it in the newest video lol
omg how did they react?
Yeah…I didn’t see that coming.
Have you got a link? Can't find it
It's not that Victoria Justice is untalented, she's clearly very talented, but it was just jarring to see her presented as the _most_ talented in a cast that featured Elizabeth Gillies, Leon Thomas III and _Ariana Grande_ all of whom had performed on Broadway before this. Even as a small child watching Victorious I could tell that Cat and Jade were _much_ better singers, and was super annoyed that they rarely got any chances to sing.
Ariana Grande is a much bigger celebrity than Victoria Justice now and this is just a mere Teen Nick show which isn’t very hardcore with their teen sitcom shows just as Disney Channel isn’t so it really has no meaning that Victoria Justice played the main character and got more singing roles especially when Nick and Disney aren’t even the big leagues and seeing what Ariana Grande has accomplished is accomplishing and will continue to accomplish after leaving Nickelodeon she really doesn’t care that she didn’t sing a whole lot on that Nick show and quite frankly neither do I and neither should you or anyone else everything Ariana Grande has done is doing and will continue to do in pop culture is far superior to a mere Nickelodeon show so who cares if Victoria Justice was singing a lot more on Victorious cause like I said before Ariana Grande is a much bigger celebrity than her in the real pop culture stage of the entertainment industry.
What's punctuation?
Of course Ariana doesn't care now. You're missing the point. 📍The viewers were robbed. It would've made a better show.
@@fluteaboo Victorious is just a mere Nickelodeon show that’s way too kid friendly just like all the other Nick and Disney shows it’s not a real teen sitcom show and Ariana Grande not singing a whole lot on a mere kiddy Nick show who cares she’s a big celebrity now more famous than Victoria Justice and it’s not because of Nickelodeon it’s because she made it to the real big league pop culture entertainment stage.
@@studentathlete7751 what are you even trying to say?
Like I actually cannot understand you.
I don't think this is intentional, but when you put your thoughts into an unpunctuated, unformatted block of word vomit it makes it sound like you're rambling at full speed and constantly on the verge of running out of breath
@@madeliner1682 I’m sorry but I didn’t think that punctuation and format is so important in a UA-cam comment section.
Anyway what I’m trying to say is this, Why does it matter and why does anyone care if Victoria Justice sang a lot more than the other cast members on Victorious? I mean Victorious is just a kiddy show on Nickelodeon it’s not a real teen drama sitcom show and it’s not on ABC CBS NBC Fox or any channels like them.
People over here complaining about Victoria Justice singing a lot more than everyone else on the show just why? I mean look at her now she’s not even a celebrity pop star icon. Did all that singing on Victorious make Victoria Justice a celebrity pop star icon no it didn’t.
Look at Ariana Grande compared to Victoria Justice. Ariana Grande wasn’t even the leading main character of the show in fact her name was 5th in the intro and look at where she is now. Ariana Grande is a lot more famous than Victoria Justice. Ariana Grande is a huge celebrity pop star icon and one of the greatest best pop culture music artists. Ariana Grande made it big in Hollywood entertainment and is one of the greatest best pop singers ever. Victoria Justice on the other hand well she’s pretty. Ariana Grande is also pretty and is a much bigger celebrity than Victoria Justice. Ariana Grande is a superstar.
Starring on a Nickelodeon or Disney Channel show means nothing to anyone. What you do after leaving Nickelodeon or Disney is all that really matters and counts. There are a lot of Nick and Disney stars and only very few of them actually become big time celebrities after that. The only ones I can count from the top of my head are Ariana Grande Miley Cyrus Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato. These 4 girls didn’t become big time celebrities because of Nick and Disney it’s what they did after leaving Nickelodeon and Disney that made them the celebrity pop star icons that we know and love.
I really don’t understand why it matters and why anyone cares about who sang the most on a mere kiddy Nickelodeon show especially when Ariana Grande who wasn’t even the leading main character of the show is now a big time Hollywood entertainment pop culture superstar and a much bigger celebrity than Victoria Justice who was the leading main character of the show.
Now do you understand what I’m saying?
The most disappointing thing about iPartyWithVictorious is that we didn't get to see Sam and Jade interact with each other.
I mean there’s a Sam and Cat episode called “TheKillerTunaJump” specifically about that interaction
@@rockinoshamas7249 probably because they knew they fucked up the first time by missing that opportunity.
It truly is a crime tbh
Don’t worry. The spin off Sam and Cat covered that dynamic
There is.... I have a screenshot TT
“we’re halfway through talking about this show” is a bold statement to make when youre only three hours into a thirteen hour project
The reason Helen went from movie theatre owner to principal is she went to community college, formed a study group and got a degree
6 seasons and a movie!
😂😂😂😂😂 YESS
And became ableist after spending way too much time with Pierce.
Lmao
Trina not getting selected for that reality show in season 1 is the most unrealistic thing in the world, producers would be SALIVATING to get someone like her on a reality show
"That young woman is a self-centered attention hog, with no regard for human decency...get her on T.V!"
Right?! She is exactly the kind of person they would have picked to be on a reality show as a person to start drama
@@comingupooo man I love Gravity Falls
@@DaShoopdahoop ayyyyyyy
She'd be on MTV or Bad Girls Club
The underutilization of Elizabeth Gillies and Ariana Grande’s vocal talent is a crime for the historybooks
The writers are clowns
One big reason to watch Dynasty is to hear Elizabeth Gillies gorgeous singing
I think the reason why is because as Quinton mentioned they were trying to sell Victoria as a pop star. I think the reason they chose her even though she was the worst singer was because of her look. Ariana has a petite physique that most people don't like. I personally prefer smaller women but most don't. Elizabeth isn't ugly by any means but she doesn't have the face of a teen pop star. Honestly if I had to pick one of the 3 to be a teen pop star to compete with Miley Cyrus I would have probably picked Victoria to.
💯💯💯
We see enough of ariana now. Too much.
I have to say, I love that their rap in iParty with Victorious have ABSOLUTELY no flow whatsoever. Not as in, “they’re offbeat” but as in “they are literally talking”
it absolutely boggles my mind how badly people can fuck up rap in shows like these. i write lyrics for fun and am tone deaf with no rhythm. i am not good at it. but i'll hear attempted rhymes by these writers and just kinda go "HOW"
and they never cast people who can deliver on the flow in any way and put them 2 feet from someone who could freestyle not knowing the plot and sound brilliant 😑
Someone should show that clip to Calliope Mori’s haters the next time they want to shit talk her music. Prove that they don’t know what they’re talking about in regards to rap.
@@Cure_Hana wut?
@@1WEareBUFO1 I’m referring to a famous VTuber I follow. She’s specifically known for performing rap music that mixes both English and Japanese lyrics, yet some people ignorantly accuse her of being cringe and a “white girl rapper.”
One thing that really bothers me about the bird scene episode is that in all of Tori’s attempts she never actually changes the way she performs it? She just keeps adding stuff like props and costumes but her actual delivery is the same every time. It’s very style-over-substance and tbh I feel like that kind of encapsulates the the vibe of the show lmao
i used to think THAT was why she got it wrong 😭😭
I watched this show’s Italian Dub, and there the line delivery did change with every attempt. It just gets a bit more exaggerated every time but it was an attempt.
I thought it was implied she had to follow a given script that all other students had to follow, so it was how she went about delivering the script that mattered
The fact that they don't develop as characters but still exist in a universe with icarly, who do, is easily explained by the fact that that's just how people in california are
Hmm I guess 🤷♀️ but how do you explain them not aging?
@@gracekim25 Maybe that's also a California thing.
California as a realm of lotus eaters is a hilarious thought
Ha "people" good one
@@Haverlock yeah they are people
"Cat is just a nice person, she doesnt deserve the hate from the other leads"
10 minutes earlier
"Cat dates Shinjin just to steal his credit card"
I swear, Kat is just the definition of Chaotic good
Ghosting the 911 calls is also pretty mental lol
Im pretty sure Cat is just spelled with a C, not a K.
honestly that's just #girlboss behavior /j
Compared to the other characters' behavior, Cat is written in a way where her worst behavior seems like a sign of severe mental illness, while the rest just seem plainly malicious. I think that's part of what makes her sympathetic. She's written as if she simply doesn't know better.
What's funny is: Robbie is revealed to own a bunch of cardboard cutouts of Cat, with the joke being like "haha don't ask why I have this". Meanwhile, Tori is revealed, IN THE SAME EPISODE, to have _a Jade costume,_ and it goes completely uncommented on. Nobody bats an eye. That's normal, apparently.
Girls are allowed to be stalkers, apparently.
“I THINK IM GOING TO HAVE A BABY!” Is genuinely a funny thing for a pregnant character to say in that tone
It's funny that you worry about sounding sexist when you say the girls in Victorious are unlikeable, because they don't like each other. That observation is true. Usually when fictional female characters can't get along because of constant competition between them, a misogynistic person wrote them; especially if it's every female character within a story. It's not sexist to call out bad, sexist writing don't worry. It's actually appreciated.
I like to think that Jade, Tori and Cat were in a secret throuple and all the bickering/fighting was just for show
No, because that's actually true. The guys interacted like genuine friends, whereas there's always conflict when it comes to the girls. It never felt balanced.
So... thats what went wrong with The Last Jedi :/
Women always have to be portrayed as "moody". It's so odd, people just don't act in that manner...unless they're an asshole. I'm a girl, and I would never in a million years treat my fellow female friends like that.
@@urktheturtle2988 What the fuck is this even supposed to mean...
"there's an episode where andre is just really into cheese and it's never brought up again" honestly... that's what being a teenager is like
Ig I'll just take my cheese plate and fuck off then. No pepper jack for you.
Or having ADHD
@@LangkeeLongkee definitely
I believe the same thing happens with ketchup
@@aliahduiker4911 it does too hahahaha forgot about that!
I remember watching 2:12:04 and thinking “I can’t believe he called his dad’s rewatching of Beverly Hillbillies a ‘project.’” A year later, I had no fucking idea what I was in for.
Yeah
im so upset cause i only got to watch around 8 or 9 hours and now i will never know what happens in the next 30
He called Trina Tootsie here! HE REFRENCED HEAD OF THE CLASS TOWARDS THE START OF THE VIDEO!!!!!
"If you had a DS, you were putting it in your pocket" no I wasn't because all my jeans had fake pockets Quinton, it was tough being a gamer girl in the late aughts :(
STOP 😭💔
Five minutes in and the observation has already been made, but I seriously can’t feel worse for Victoria Justice. She was a decent singer and a great teen’s show actor, but they made the mistake of stacking her supporting cast with GOD TIER SINGERS. Broadway people, people who were singers before actors, and Ariana friggin’ Grande! Nobody could stand out as a musician around those people.
Right?! I love Victoria, but they picked a cast that completely outshined her. They did her dirty on her own show but giving her a poorly written character. Her hair and outfits looked great on Zoey 101, but on Victorious they didn’t show how beautiful she was and the costume designer was awful. Victoria was done dirty in every way on her own show and I feel SO BAD for her!
She did great in Eye Candy, a show where she really did feel like the star and her acting was good and in her new movies. I also like her song, Treat Myself.
The only mistake was casting her as the lead, she would have been great as a secondary character just like before.
Honestly, she comes off as so unlikeable it's really hard for me to sympathise with her. You're probably correct, though
@@talb.1805 she is definitely the worst person a lot of the time, even after they fixed it like how Quinton pointed out. But I also feel like if she was the best singer in the room it wouldn’t be quite as noticeable. When she’s one of the weaker ones it feels like that kid in school who called everyone’s hobbies and work trash because they’re secretly dumb and hope nobody will notice 😂
I really don’t get why so many ppl find Tori’s character unlikeable. She does get outshined, and she does do dumb things (literally so does every other character), but I think she’s fine. She’s just the average person reacting to the crazy weird ppl and situations around her.
when Quinton said "there is no heterosexual explanation" i immediately realized, if this show got a reboot, there's no fucking way they wouldn't gay bait the hell out of tori and jade, more than they are in this series
Why the pessimism? Make them canon in the reboot
Gotta make them social media points
When he said that it made me want to know if he was an owl house fan or just terminally online
I'm all for LGBT rep but that sounds abusive and I hate that idea.
Nah Tori and Andre all the way
I'm only an hour into this, but I think the reason Disney stars blow up and Nick stars don't...is the scouting process. Disney took gifted kids and gave them the promotion they needed to take off. Nick kind of worked in reverse though, trying to mold a star out of someone who wouldn't otherwise get that chance.
I also think age has something to do with it. 14 and 16 doesn't seem like a big difference, but that's a HUGE gap when it comes to kids' pop culture obsession. You're just not going to get the same "OMG ITS TORI VEGA" energy from a 16 year old as you would from a 14 year old Hannah Montana fan.
I'm not saying that Nick stars don't have talent btw - they do. But it's a different kind of talent than the natural charisma that someone like Selena Gomez had since childhood.
Pretty much
ep 2- The bird scene- 25:17
ep 3- Stage fighting- 27:27
ep 4- The birthweek song- 29:55
ep 5- Jade dumps Beck -34:04
ep 6- Tori the zombie 37:08
ep 7- Robaratzzi 38:01
ep 8- Survival of the hottest 42:23
ep 9- Wi-fi in the sky- 44:35
ep 10- Beck's big break 45:52
ep 11- The great ping pong scam 47:33
ep 12-Cat's new boyfriend 50:56
ep13 - Freak the Freak out 54:17
ep14-Rex dies 1:05:11
ep15- The diddlybops 1:09:51
ep16- Wok Star 1:19:18
ep17- The wood 1:20:53
ep18 A film by Dale Squires 1:25:04
ep19- sleepover at Sikowitz 1:28:28
setting- 1:31:57
character analysis- 1:38:01
season 2-
ep 20- Beggin on your knees 2:23:17
ep 21- Beck falls for Tori 2:28:39
ep 22- Ice cream for Kesha 2:33:48
ep 23- Tori Get Stuck 2:38:44
ep 24- Prom Wreckers 2:41:06
ep 25- Locked up 2:45:40
ep 26- Helen back again 2:50:54
ep 27- Who did it to Trina 2:58:03
ep28- Tori Tortures Teacher 3:01:42
ep29 -Jade Gets crushed 3:05:44
ep30- Terror on cupcake street 3:13:22
ep31- A Christmas Tori- 3:20:35
Character analysis 2 - 3:28:11
ep32- Blooptorious/metaverse - 3:34:06
intermission - 3:49:27
Garfield- 3:55:38
Victorious video games/browser games- 4:06:54
Hollywood arts debut for DS 4:16:13
Time to shine for xbox 360 kinect 4:33:17
Taking the lead for the DS- 4:49:44
Taking the lead for the Wii- 4:59:24
ep33 April Fools Blank- 5:23:50
Thank you
legend!
You’re the best thank you!!💗
thanks man
I was looking for a specific episode, you’re a life saver!
I hated how they made Robbie more creepy as the seasons went along. Like Robbie was suppose to be the quirky weird kid with a puppet or something and now he’s this sexual predator who hides in bushes and has big cut outs of his friends and weird positions? And for what? Fucking ridiculous.
Looking at it now, there’s an underlying anti semitism to his character. (At least to me I could be wrong.) his character is mentioned to be Jewish, and the joke when he asks Trina to convert to Judaism feels wrong to me. It feels less like they’re making fun of Robbie and more like they’re making fun of the religion. He also has stereotypical “Jewish features” to me. Like when anti Semitic people make characterizations of Jews, it’s not dissimilar to Robbie.
@@alexschneider1667 that’s pretty interesting. I just saw misandry, but I can now also see your point.
@@alexschneider1667 Dan Schneider is literally Jewish so I don’t think that’s an issue
@@KamikazekaitoKoki self hate can show up in weird ways sometimes
robbie and rex becoming one
Recently I made a comment to my friends about how this show was uncomfortably sexualized and had a lot of rape jokes, and they all looked at me like I was insane for knowing enough about the show to make that comment. And then I had to explain that the only reason I had any context about it was because I watched a 5-hour long breakdown of the entire show. That did not improve their opinion of the situation.
Your friends should watch more Victorious analysis
Should have turned it around to you shilling for Quinton, like how his content is so good you’ll watch anything he makes
@FlagrantDefiance And yet here you are too
Your friends sound lame
Honey, your friends are not worth it
The real kick in the balls is that if you actually brush the dolls hair with the little doll hairbrush, it would absolutely ruin it and that’s why you see dolls in the thrift store and stuff with rats nest of hair
Also kids don't brush the hair of the dolls.
They tape them to the wall.
EXACTLY 😭😭
The "Beck is attractive if you're seventeen" joke is so funny to me personally because I was seventeen when I watched this video for the first time and I thought he was attractive. Now it's two years later and I've changed my mind lol.
trina’s “chicago” had more of a cultural footprint than everything perez hilton has ever done, to this day whenever i hear the word “chicago” i still sing her song lmao
SHECAGOOOOOOO
Same lmao 😂
When I was a kid I thought the musical “Chicago” was what she was singing
This shit make me cackle, where’s the lie 😭😂
This rendition lives rent free in my head
The idea of the Victorious cast beating a child to death in public whilst a laugh track plays loudly is morbidly hilarious to me.
it would at least be a change of pace. this time the horror being child murder instead of child sex jokes
The only thing I could think of when he talked about that was the Always Sunny episode where Mac and Charlie beat a bunch of kids unconsious in slow motion
@@fugyfruit just watched that episode when i took a break from this video🤣
I imagine as the episode ends the credits are rolling over the scene of them curb stomping him as it fades to black
@@fugyfruit In that case, you could debate that the kids deserved it. In Victorious the kid just recorded a song he liked and shared it on the internet. The difference in justification makes the child murder either funnier, darker, or both.
2:20:55
As someone who grew up female, yes, 95% of the toys we got were just things with hair we could brush
i hate that you're right about the girls in the show hating each other. Kat is that friend who's a sweetheart but is picked on and only hangs around the other characters for protection because if she's not being bullied by them she'd be bullied by someone worse. Im not projecting... you are.
avan (beck) has said before that he has no recollection of filming victorious because he was struggling with alcohol addiction at the time. he was absolutely plastered the entire show.
I gotta say I did not notice that as a kid, but now that you point it out, he looks pretty tired in every episode.
Being on set with Schneider is obviously very toxic so I'm not surprised someone in the cast was using to order to mentally escape 🤷♀️
Lmao
Where did he say that?
Oh my god I had no idea, that’s so sad. I rewatched victorious recently, im 21 and a recovering drug addict myself, and I couldn’t even tell he was fucked up, I guess he hid it well. Very sad
"This is just a fetish thing, thinly disguised as a joke" - basically sums up the entire show
When I was a boy I tugged it to that RV episode
5:19:34
Even the game has fetish shit with a "get berated by a goth girl" mini game XD
@@phantomdriver2010 where can i find this game….asking for a friend
@@Sir_Maximus_Hardwood what the fuck 😂
Yep
I am Polish, and in my country this show was airing with Polish dubbing, with an exception of the songs, that were kept in English. So when Robbie sings the song about broken glass, that was also in English. I remember being so confused as a kid when he sings the song in English and the gang cringes at the song, because I didn't understand what the song is about. They could have at least added Polish subtitles. There were a few other moments like this, when they wouldn't translate the song in any way. I am glad I found this video years later because now I am finally getting a full context.
omg yeah, in croatia it was also dubbed but the songs and it always confused me as a kid cause i thought they were actually speaking croatian ahahha so them switching to english and having different voices was like ???
that’s so interesting, i’m originally from romania but we relocated to the states when i was mad young, i wonder if they also aired this show with dubs in romania…
As a kid I honestly DESPISED this show and refused to watch it. I felt bad for Trina as a kid and could emphasize with her more than Tori. I still hold that sentiment. They did Trina so dirty and for what 😭
I really want it to be cannon that Sinjin is the most popular guy in school and the main cast are outcasts that only like each other.
Basically the entirety of Community lol
Fuck it, this is canon now.
@@Jacob-Sophiafrrr loll
Ficwriters get on it!!/j
@@carmenmercedes9903take back that slash j! I aint gonna write'r read it but that'on't mean someone else ain't!
very disappointing that you didn’t mention the entire conceit of the episode “Beck Falls for Tori” was because the writers asked Avan Jogia if he wanted to do anything specific and his one request was to dress in drag
Wtf Fr?! 😭✋🏻
Avan is so iconic, apparently the show gave him nothing to do so he decided to just mess around as much as possible
I didn't know that! That's really interesting fun fact
Based Jogia
@@JamesEnwright He co-founded an LGBT awareness organization during the show's run too, what a guy
can we just discuss how insane it is that an adult, married, sentient predator puppet is playing a 16 year old on a children’s sitcom
As far as the plot hole in the Bird Scene episode, I assume Tori only has to preform it in front of the whole class because she transferred in the middle of the school year her sophmore year. I assume that when the rest of the class preformed the piece at the beginning of the school year or their freshman year, they probably did it individually in front of Sikowitz (or considering how many theater classes there are at this school, probably a board of theater teachers) so that they would be able to audition for any plays they wanted for the rest of their career at Hollywood Arts
But also as some one who was in talented theater classes all through middle and high school, the moral of the bird scene project is fucking stupid and not how acting works. Yes, you have to be confident in your work, but you also need to be able take direction well, and if you go off on your superiors (directors, producers, etc) when they tell you your performance sucked, that's a real good way to get fired.
@@Rikke.V i mean i get it though at the same time, he didn't even give tori any direction he just said she failed and didn't say why. it would've been one thing if he told her why (she even asked why countless times) but because he wouldn't she just had to be frustrated with him. of course im sure this happens irl (directors and the like will reject you but won't say why) but im assuming if you get into the actual job and they are doing as their job says,,, directing you,,, they will actually give you feedback on how to make the performance better, which is something sikowitz refused to do.
As a teenager at the time of this show airing, and a teenager who wrote copious amount of fic for this show, I always remember thinking: "Wait... do they take normal math and science and English classes or...?" And a lot for fic writers just.... made them take these classes. Which, in hindsight, I find funny that fanfic writers were more concerned about this than the actual writers were.
if they were at a performance high school, chances are the english and math classes are either actual english and math classes or english and math classes built to whatever performance art the student was doing…if that makes sense (idk anything about performing arts schools so idk)
@@amaramoonlightno i went to an art school and core classes were not tailored for the arts at all lol they were completely normal classes
@@milkflys mmm, maybe high school is different then, it’s also a show about performing arts kids so maybe they only show the classes that highlight it (theater, stunt class, choir, etc)
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I've seen that fanfic writers are better than actual writers on shows a surprisingly large amount of time
It's actually terrifying how this show (and Dan's other shows) are seemingly trying to normalize adults flirting with and grooming minors, and it probably worked for some kids. They portray it as a completely normal thing that just happens all the time
You want to know something even worse? One of the main actresses started dating (and iirc got married) with one of the people who worked on set who was about 20 years older than her. Now, I don't have a problem with age gaps... but that's only as long as they're both consenting adults. She was 17.
@Unoriginal Kōhai well sadly yea but what I mean is it's NOT normal, even if society sometimes treats it like it is, and you'd think a kids show would have enough common sense to portray it that way but they go the complete opposite direction, as fucked up as real life is I feel like most of these situations would not just be brushed off as a joke even irl
@Unoriginal Kōhai oh yea same, super weird when family members would say stuff like "he's gonna be such a ladies man when he gets older", idk how to explain what I meant but I feel like we're on the same page
@@364-unbirthdays8 They got married in secret a bit ago i believe? She also confirmed they moved in together the second she turned 18, it's gross. What's insane is that she's grown up since and she still is with him. I hope she's okay but it really just sounds like she was groomed for years and just.. stayed that way
Not gonna lie, when I was a kid, this show convinced me that adults being attracted to/hitting on high schoolers was like... normal. Only now that I'm an adult and reflecting on this do I realize how utterly fucked and dangerous that is.
I have a theory that some of the writers originally wanted to cast a less attractive and/or heavier actor for Trina, but producers/showrunners shot that down for two reasons:
1. Even though these sitcoms frequently cast less attractive actors for male characters who are bullied for their appearance, you very much less often see (as far as I can tell from these analyses and my own recollections) them doing this to female characters. They might have anticipated that people would be more upset by a female in that situation. In most of these cases, the actor is still rather attractive but made less appealing through makeup and outfit.
2. Casting directors, despite knowing this character would be bullied for her appearance, still wanted an attractive actor because it would garner more appeal from the demographic and look better in overall marketing.
I don't think any of the showrunners actually thought Daniella Monet was at all overweight, and I think, in their minds, that justified the treatment of the actor, since it was exaggerated and not realistic. Nowadays we can see that it was just mean
To me she reads as “Hollywood chubby” (size 4-6) instead of “Hollywood standard” (size 0-2) like Tori and Jade. Meanwhile the average American woman is size 12-14
(Speaking generally because of course clothing sizes vary wildly by company and over time)
@alisaurus4224 oh yeah I definitely noticed she's meant to be chubby when she was standing next to Tori
It is sad that people are more okay with making fun of a boy's body than a girl's.
The fact that Nickelodeon completely missed out on Ariana Grande is hilarious.
And they tried to make it up by doing Sam and cat. Lol🤣🤣🤣
Well, Ariana Grande wasn’t an obvious candidate at the time. Nickelodeon was looking for a star who could compete with the stars Disney were putting out like Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez & Demi Lovato. Despite the popularity of iCarly, Miranda Cosgrove could not hold a candle to Miley (who was her biggest competitor). Victoria had the looks and the talent and was a fan favorite on Zoey 101. So it made for an easy transition to have Victoria Justice as their it girl. The Music Business is a Business. Ariana Grande isn’t the only person who can sing like Mariah Carey. She isn’t special. You can go on UA-cam or visit your local church choir and find women with phenomenal voices that can sing just as good, if not better. Ariana Grande had to drastically change her image to succeed. She changed her hair, she lost a lot of weight, she began tanning, she got plastic surgery…and by the time 2014 came around, she was practically a very different person than how we met her in 2010. Victoria Justice didn’t have to change herself. She was the perfect package. Also, there’s been whispers of shady things that happened behind closed doors, especially between Ariana & Dan and her relationship with him. Sleeping your way to the top is quite common in Hollywood. Wouldn’t put it past anyone.
Lemme just say....Andre was the best character in Victorious despite the writers doing absolutely NOTHING with his character except making him "the token black kid" in the Victorious group. Dude was so unproblematic & was a great friend to everybody. Everybody deserves to have an Andre in their life. Plus, he's damn talented (Leon Thomas III, that is). His songs were the only ones I downloaded from the show's soundtrack.
he was too cute. he should have been the obvious love interest of the show but.... well, idk how that'd go down with the parents of the very white, mainstream nickelodeon viewership
365 days is such a great song and for me, the best song that was written by Andre.
@@somenothing7914 Absolutely!! I highkey shipped him & Tori and lowkey shipped him & Jade.
@@missjazz1010 I feel like I shipped him with Jade more, cause I hated how Tori used him at times and made him drop whatever he was doing to write a song for her and stuff
He is the Fred from Scooby-Doo of his group.
It would have made SO much more sense from a storytelling perspective if Trina was the golden child. It would explain her ego, why she got into the school first while Tori wasn't considered, AND make Tori automatically more likeable in the audience's eyes. Just have their parents favor Trina!
That might confuse the 3 year olds
I think the parents favored her growing up, but at this point they are over it. Funny enough though, that just makes them look like worse parents when probably the intention was the opposite.
That’s an interesting perspective but maybe Trina not being the golden child is why she has such and inflated ego. Constantly seeking and attention and trying to be the “main attraction.” If the show would have written Trina as the annoying attention seeker but with the purpose of getting positive recognition from her parents who don’t seem to like her, maybe people would like or relate to her better.
@@danielle3040 unless she became truly delusional that wouldn't explain an inflated ego though, that would much more likely lead to confidence issues
@@symawi312 it depends, some people would develop an inflated ego because they are desperate for attention, and you're actually also still right, because very often it turns out to be a mask that is overly compensating for their own lack of self worth and self esteem
Feel so bad for Victoria. She was so excited to have her first lead character and then she’s casted against literal broadway kids. And all because of this she had her whole career ruined by haters and ofc those toxic Ariana sheep. And honestly I don’t think Tori Vega was a bad character either, she acted like a normal teenage girl. It baffles me that people think jade is a better person than Tori… like what? Didn’t jade try to murder Tori in a couple episodes?
Honestly, a lot of people have a thing for girls with issues.
The Jade trying to kill Tori argument doesn't work, Tori has literally tried to kill Trina, not only that but on multiple occasions Tori has made out with other people's boyfriends, she made out with Beck to make Jade angry, she not only made out with Cats boyfriend but also sprayed hot cheese over them because she was just so jealous of them. She literally cannot *not* be the center of attention, for example how she made Trinas birthday all about herself.
She also canceled a play Jade was working *really* hard on and then refused to try and get the school to still show Jades performance, because she thought that her shitty prom was way more important than anything Jade is doing.
Oh and she also injured and tied up Trina when she just had her wisdom teeth removed.
Tori is a bad person, so is Jade but Jade never did anything like Tori did. (With the exception of the attempted murder)
Elizabeth Gilles seems like she's having a lot more fun with her character than Justice is. Jade would fit in with a darker, IASIP kind of sitcom.
don't know what world you come from but kissing other girls' boyfriends and constantly making yourself the center of attention by stealing other people's thunder is not something that "normal" teenage girls do. Truth is, her character was pretty dull and unlikable. Dan tried to make her the "quirky main character that is way more talented than the others" but it fell terribly short. You don't need years of music knowledge to know her singing was subpar compared to the others. Overall, her character was just mediocre.
@@biao101 There's a big disconnect between how Tori is written and how Justice is playing her.
I love that most of the main cast specialize in music but there are no music classes. There is only theater!
The silly puppet has dreadlocks, speaks with an "urban accent," is canonically good at rapping, is offended by a specific word when not said by a fellow puppet... oh no...
I also find it funny that the person who beat him in the rap battle is Sam, who is basically black-coded... they really didn't have ANY non-white writers on these shows did they
@@saigeferko6035 nope they did not and every poc who ever worked on any of dan schneider’s shows deserved soooo much better
Oh my God, Rex is supposed to be black
@@jhonandrews2674 WOAH I DIDN’T KNOW THAT
@@saigeferko6035 ...I'm sorry since when is Sam from iCarly a "black-coded" character?
My favorite guy trio moment is when Robbie becomes sad and Beck arrives with a watermelon and states "Robbie loves watermelon" and then Robbie just hugs it.
It's weird but a nice moment.
@Jared Jams that would have crossed the line.
@Jared Jams OOF
Lol very wholesome!
what episode did this happen again
@@kakyoin7761 the hambone king
Knowing now that this video got Matt Bennett to extend his tour is seriously heartwarming.
Trina was a really good character who honestly did care for Tori. She told Tori about flowers she was highly allergic about when Jade tried to sabotage her, she was worried that Ryder was cheating on Tori, and a lot more. Even though she’s supposed to be an annoying and aggravating character, she really does care for Tori.
Another thing, I love Jade, her and cat are my fav characters. But she committed a lot of crimes toward Tori.
Just wanna point out Tori means bird in Japanese. Random ik but cool fact
They should make a Victorious anime that's the exact same but Tori is now a bird and nobody comments on it
@@ashikjaman1940No, have it be a dating sim crossover with Hatoful Boyfriend where you play as bird Tori while everyone else is human.
The fact that Sikowitz's class realistically consists of like, 7 people, is accurate to every acting class I've ever taken.
as a theatre major, same.
I've always thought acting was really fun, I've enjoyed doing voices and stuff like that, but I've never taken a theater class because I've been afraid of the kind of people that'd be in the classes.
I don't know if that's a realistic perception or not, but I'd already endured trying a graphic design degree, and there were a lot of intolerable people in those classes.
exactly and the fact that the background people don’t do anything, very true to life. there’s always some kids just there for an easy credit lol
@@WasatchWind as someone in theater classes, you got the passionate ones who want to try. and then usually the ones who don't do anything unless needed. The intolerable ones are very few but still there and would refuse to do the simplest things that require very little of them just off the fact they have to act. (Based on my experience)
My headcanon is that the silent ones are like Theatre Tech majors that dont want to be there but are required
Danielle Monet is actually such a talented physical comedian. Like her slapstick is insanely good.
I know we were meant to hate Trina, but she was always the most hilarious to me.
She was way too obnoxious for me to like but way too entertaining for me to hate
Trina was one of my favorites tbh
I'm kind of mad she was only able to show off her singing in one episode which was essentially a fever dream and definitely not canon.
trina was actually my favorite lol
If that became a part of her character, being more into the physical performance over vocal performance, she could have become a less abrasive person
I used to have the tori doll when I was a kid and I tied her to my ceiling fan and hit her so hard she fell off and lost half of her leg. I cried to my mom and she fixed it with duct tape
Later I tied her to the fan and broke her other leg off. After that I just pretended she was a double amputee whenever I played with her
This is one of the best comments i’ve read
I think we all get tied to the ceiling fan
I done that to a lot of Tori dolls-
2:19:13 - You know, it just clicked for me why Jade's doll is the least uncanny valley looking; it's the expression. Tori's and Cat's dolls have a smile that for whatever reason puts them closer to unnerving territory. Jade's meanwhile has an expression that looks more natural and also calm, and I think works a lot better.
Poor Ariana, by the way. You can't convince me it wasn't someone's fetish to have grown actors acting like little children.
Nah, poor everyone for having to deal with Schneider’s foot fetish… but Ariana especially, yea
And the potatoe and toes videos....
I don't think anyone would try to argue against you; the fetishization is way too obvious.
I just assumed she was autism coded as that’s how we are coded, but people don’t find it attractive.
I thought she was just supposed to be a airhead not acting like a little child. Thats how i always saw it
A thing I love that’s a fun fact: Trina’s actress is actually a great singer, and most of the background music is sung by her. She also is the “good” voice of Ginger Fox in that iCarly episode.
They did her dirty.
@@JessicaTayB well, if you're gonna cast a child as terrible at something, it's arguably more offensive if that kid is actually terrible at that thing.
@@JessicaTayB Not reallly, Daniella Monet auditoned for the role knowing that her character was gonna be a bad singer.
I used to hate this guy, now I hate him much less
@@adamlauer1096 Who's "this guy" ?
The 100 day kiss thing is one hundred percent another euphemism for sex and I'm honestly shocked that you didn't piece that together.
What, how so? I don't get it, could someone explain it?
@@geegeepits a “special thing” that you do at a “certain point” in your relationship after u develop trust and love for the other person. sounds like sex between minors who obviously don’t want to rush into things because they are young lol
(Breaking character again sadly) I read a jori fic where the 100 day kiss is actually when a guy takes a girl into a closet and feels her up.
I genuinely can't wait to see if he'll end up cracking to the pressure and doing a Big Time Rush retrospective as well, despite not really having anything to do with the other shows. It was my favorite back then BY FAR and I would love to see how it holds up. Everything we've seen since the group reuniting seemed so positive and unproblematic. It also helped that a certain produced was not actively involved in this show.
That would be so awesome!! BTR was my special interest as a kid, and by either sheer coincidence or pure destiny, All Time Low has been my special interest since 2017. I rewatched the first two seasons since they were on netflix and even though the show was a bit cringe (and sometimes a bit racist...) it just brought back such good vibes. It was such a silly show, I loved it
Even if he doesn't do a full video I'd watch a stream or something of him watching through the show
Not my email since i was twelve literally being BTRForever 😭😂
Rex being a racial caricature is something 100% missed as a kid, but was immediately clocked as I started watching this video and I'm so glad you said something.
I actually started rewatching the show before Quinton even announced he was also. When I watched the pilot, I saw Rex's skin was darker than I remembered, and sure enough next episode from there on out it was much lighter, but seeing that made me start thinking until it clicked about 3 episodes in that "oh no, Rex is black" before also realizing that Rex is black **played by a white man** and I just... yea...
I can't believe people missed it, I thought Quinton was being sarcastic
yes exactly. i didn’t realize it until right before he said it in the video.
@@theMOCmaster In my defence I was really young, and never thought much about the show after.
@@theMOCmaster Even as a black kid watching victorious, I didn’t get it. They clearly did a terrible job. Because I (unlike the writers) know what black people are actually like, even in “urban” areas. Just like Cat is obviously Autistic and Adhd, I didn’t get that as a kid despite me having both of those things. Because again, I KNOW what we are actually like and the writers clearly didn’t. I wasn’t the biggest fan if Victorious, but I would play it whenever my older nieces and nephews were over (we are around the same age, one older than me.) Now I just…. Cringe.
Funny story: I was an extra on a movie with Avan Jogia (Beck) and I made a joke while he was walking by; he laughed and turned to give me a fist bump. Cool dude
Avan Jogia just seems like such a genuinely nice person
@@patiencekillz and now he’s Leon in resident evil. What a guy
what was da joke
@@pearliee there is no joke. he's just a nice person.
@@wolfcub0545 nono, like the joke the person made while Avan was walking by
Fun fact: I had no idea who Perez Hilton was, and thought he was the in-universe gender-swapped version of Paris Hilton
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You know, the writers barely disguised fetish is kinda funny in the realm of books and fanfiction, pretty concerning in childrens animation and actually fucking nauseating when its being performed by teen actors. God I hate Nickelodeon.
another possibility: Dr. Dodie is actually not one person, but quadruplets who all decided to pursue medicine.
The Nurse Joys of the Schneider-Verse
This pair of comments opened my third eye thank you
that makes much more sense i love it
@@ThatLittleKitten and contrary to the competents Nurse joys, they are imcompetents
@@birritan5479 These comments opened up my fourth eye
Something that fascinates me as I learn about this show through this video is that based on the pilot episode and the "birthday week" thing you'd think Trina is the spoiled "favorite" child of their parents who's always gotten everything she's wanted while Tori is the "unfavorite" child whose natural talents were either never recognized by her parents or outright discouraged to keep her in Trina's shadow, hence why Tori thinks she's untalented compared to Trina and it's only when people outside the family see Tori perform that her talent is recognized, but then you get the stuff with their parents actively hating Trina and completely ignoring her at her own birthday party to record Tori performing and then you realize the writers did not give a shit about the dynamics of that family other than "haha Trina sucks"
honestly narcissism can often be developed as a coping mechanism in children who don't get the attention they need. so her behavior actually kinda tracks, but not in a good way.
When you put it like that, it almost comes off like maybe Trina's personality was formed by the neglect and hate she got from her parents.
Once you pointed out that the puppet was so clearly derived from minstrelsy, it's impossible to unsee it. It makes the whole show feel weird and gross
This videos are great for my ADHD, working long hours is great if it's the spam of "one UA-cam video" but then one UA-cam video is long hours and that makes it so fucking easier to do stuff for a long time omg
the most unrealistic thing about this show is that two kids were doused in melted cheese & were only mildly inconvenienced. i’ve gotten hot nacho cheese poured on me while working food service & had to go home early with second degree burns all over my hands
yeah, even soft cheese melts at 130°, which just so happens to be the temperature at which we get second degree burns, and that cheese could've easily been hotter.
I find it funny that a side character that was considered the stupid one in the show became a hit singer and was the one who rose, not Victoria.
I hope you’re okay now. 🥺
ye i was wondering what they actually used to film that scene because there's no way you wouldn't (at least wish to) die there.
@@konoyuchilan971 Your comment is irrelevant to this comment thread…
I clicked on this video thinking "there's no way he can talk about victorious for over 5 hours" and now here I am hoping part 2 is just as long and thorough lol
👍 same
Never even seen the show, but I’m here in disbelief of the run time🤣😅
@@ButChaAreBlanche same 🤣
Damn when I clicked on it I didn’t notice it was 5 hours long 😂
@@teddy1642 same but I’m so invested. I’m watching it in increments of 45 mins a day that all my brain can handle at this point 🤣
I remember even as a kid, victorious was always a show that felt kind of wrong, although I was way too young to understand why. I didn't get the same vibes with ICarly cause they were more subtle about it, but Victorious always had that extra sting of "I don't feel safe watching this."
2:09:00 All of the criticism thus far I think is reasonable, but this one I think you've got wrong. Carly sings her show's intro, Tori sings her show's intro, they sing parts of each other's intro, ALL of the characters sing parts from both intros- it's a crossover episode. She doesn't sing her theme song because she's 'self-centered' she sings it because it's a mashup. This was the entire point. That they are putting their shows together.
Agreed. some of the segments where he called tori selfish aren't fair IMO
I cannot believe I watched 5 hours of a victorious analysis and wasn’t bored for one second of it
Same bro same
There’s way too much filler. Nobody clicked on this for 45 minutes of rambling about Garfield.
@@MrRyan-wu4jx shut up you don't know me
@@MrRyan-wu4jx
Speak for yourself
@@MrRyan-wu4jx oh wow I didn’t realize that section was so long until I saw ur comment. I was about to sit through that, thank u
I like that in iParty, the girls both realize immediately that they have no reason to be mad at eachother and healthily direct their anger in the direction of the person that wronged them, instead of seeing eachother as rivals. It was honestly nice. Just that aspect of the episode, not the rest. But its a lot more emotionally healthy than this kind of cheating love triangle is usually handled.
Yeah. I never understood why people would get mad at the person their partner cheated on them with, and not the person who cheated on them. They were wronged just as much as them. But I guess it's just anger and confusion before coming to conclusions like that.
Which is incredibly ironic given that in their respective shows, they fight over boys all the time lmao. It was honestly so out of the norm for the script to not go in that direction, that I can only assume it was because it'd be pretty awkward to have Carly and Tori fight over some random dude brought in for a crossover.
@@hiddenleafdrip3869 imagine if they fought over Fred lol
@@BratzRockAngels Some people just can't compute that the person they trusted would hurt them.
@@lilylopnco That is a good point.
The part in the reality show where Andre says he dislikes brussel sprouts reminds me of an episode of big time rush where gustavo tweets about disliking brussel sprouts but he made a typo so the tweet reads “i hate brussels” like the city in belgium and the belgians get so mad that it nearly ends gustavos whole career.
Idk if the connection was intentional because BTR is not a Dan Schneider nick show but i thought it was interesting.
hey dude, just wanted to say that as someone who’s been very depressed your videos have been such a big help for me. not only for my sleep, but also as a tool for me to revisit my childhood. your content is so entertaining and im so excited to keep watching your videos. thanks for the giggles
Trina's "Chicago" subplot is still so funny to me and I sometimes quote myself singing the city Chicago in her voice whenever the city comes up.
Shecagoooooooo
it’s a city that’s exciting it’s a city that’s inviting
This is the only bit from this show that I remember fondly
omg sameeee I thought I was the only one 😅😂😂
There’s a lake they call Lake Michigan i think im really fitting in this city is my perfect cup of TEAAAAAA
It’s increasingly baffling that Trina is the hated one when Robbie’s actions have gotten them in all kinds of trouble, made them cancel ping pong, almost killed Tori, and got them literally thrown in a foreign prison.
Robbie's crimes:
- whatever tf he does while playing Pirates that Cat doesn't like. WTF did he do to her???
- Robarazzi
- Everything Rex says and does
- Drank their last bit of water in that heat wave episode
- Ordered caviar and is somehow surprised it was expensive
- Love bombed Trina and didn't stop after she and Cat both told him it's inappropriate
- Injuring the food truck man
Whats the worst thing Trina's done?
- Injured the food truck man
@@wildboywifey6485 I mean she also hid the fact that she had water-
True but Trina is genuinely very pretentious and annoying.
Plus all of Rex's sexual harassment which even if Rex is supernatural Robbie enables it.
@@skyslasher2297 to be fair I'm not sure he has much of a choice
Rewatching the Victorious videos, and gotta say, even tho at the start Quinton obv hated this more than iCarly, I think the Victorious stuff has the most rewatch value because a lot of the cast stayed friends who do work together and overall, while they still had to deal with Schneider, it feels like the actors had the most fun. Rewatching iCarly stuff is really hard after you know about Jennette's life behind the scenes, and rewatching Sam & Cat stuff is just really hard in general. When I think of Victorious, I think of Matt Bennett proclaiming he loves to be the puppet guy, I think of Daniella, Matt, and Liz in Thank U Next, I think of how the person with the worst career after this kinda just stopped doing music cuz they weren't driven to it. When I think of iCarly I think of all that pain.
Victorious has way too many weird sexualization of minors for me to ever want to rewatch it. Frankly, both kind of have pretty terrible rewatchability for completely different reasons, so there’s no real point in trying to compare which ones better or worse lmao.
@@salt3685 oh, don't get me wrong, that's shitty to be sure, but most episodes you don't really see that so I just tend to skip scenes/episodes where that's prominent
I am guessing he figured his line on icarly and knew how much he could push his...ideas...on this show@@salt3685
I feel iCarly is largely 'alright' as far as tween sitcoms go, so it's not as easy to make it as interesting to talk about compared to something like Victorious that is interesting and weirdly bad. There's a lot more to talk about.
Then you get to Sam and Cat which seems like no one on any level enjoyed making or watching so there's even more to talk about
Beck’s actor drinking underage and forgetting most of his memories of this show feels reminiscent of Dice’s actor from Sam and Cat not remembering very much of his own experience on the show
parents got so mad over monster high being “inappriopriate” like victorious wasn’t here cracking two r/pe jokes an episode
Shows you how these parents only care about the look of a show and not the content.
My parents didn't allow me to watch Monster High as a kid because it was "too ghoulish" but on the other hand were completely fine with my brother playing The Last Of Us. Where is the justice?
@@pinkred22 ✨Favortism✨
@@FlurryPie0 Yeah, it definitely feels like that some days
@@FlurryPie0 yall are always fucking sensitive these days
You know what would’ve actually been really cool? If Tori became a director or a manager/agent instead of an actor/singer. Like if she found out her real talent was bringing people together, helping people uncover their skills and be confident as performers, etc
It would’ve been a great character arc for her realizing she doesn’t need to be on stage to be important. Like man. What if she realized Trina had an actual great talent and helped her sister book gigs and stuff??
But trina's talent was comedy.
Comedians still need booked gigs for their shows/routines, especially live performances.
Also wouldn’t that be so wholesome, the two sisters figure out their true talents together being comedy and management and they work together to make their careers grow.
They should have hired you in the writers room. It was constantly embarrassing to see Tori being clearly out performed by her peers, but she was always catapulted to the front because she was "the star". Even the kid with the dummy was funnier than her.
@@IjeomaThePlantMama It's even funnier that they HAD an actual, future superstar in the cast the whole time.
That would've been actually good :0 and they had a whole team of writers
"andre eventually gets jade to do his song, but upon hearing her sing for the first time, he suddenly falls madly in love with her."
so true bestie. bisexual realness
So, when I was in middle school, I was invited to be a part of a class that was going to make a “movie” and we would then sell the DVD to make a profit for the school. (Which is confusing ethically, but not the point of this story). They got a few girls to write the script. It ended up being primarily filled with physical comedy that was actually just assault and openly bullying and mocking characters that deviated from the norms of what was considered “socially popular” behaviour. And the teacher who was in charge basically had no oversight of anything until the very end. She watched the video (I was on the editing team because I was the only student who knew how to use Windows Movie Editor) and was absolutely horrified by the content. She ended up editing all of the assault and bullying out of the video, and the end product was an absolute mess that made no sense. But at the time, I couldn’t understand why she was so shocked and upset by the content. I mean, that was the humour of all the tv shows we were watching at that time. The script writers had basically just copied plots from Hannah Montana and Zoey 101. But as an adult, I’m kind of horrified by how normalized abuse and bullying here among by peers because of the media was consumed. And I often wonder if this has had any kind of lasting impact in my brain.
Missed the “definitely not poorly disguised fetish of the writers” joke with Trina getting tied up against her will. Lmao
i feel like you could taken any scene nd say its a "definitely not poorly disguised fetish of the writers"
AND she's even barefoot on one side, so there's also that
thats was all dan himself lmao
And the 'feet bleaching' thing, and the force-feeding cereal, and the roleplaying Jade part...I really hope I've just been on the internet too long and, in fact, it really isn't a fetish of the writers. But I don't have that kind of faith in humanity
Dan Schneider's most poorly disguised fetish is assuming every private school is just one really long chain of theater classes
well, that and the mind-numbing barrage of foot-related gross-out gags for sitcoms aimed at the 8-14 demographic. it's like he took everything he learned from working on Better Off Dead and Head of the Class and somehow just missed the point entirely.
I know Trina is supposed to suck and all but genuinely she supports Tori very well in a ton of episodes.
And helps a lot! She advises her to look through a dude’s phone because he seems sus, she’s willing to make an extremely long drive to get the remover for the glue.
Honestly, one of the Trina moments I remember best from this show so many years later is her screaming "TORI THOSE ARE BUSH DAISIES!" in the episode where Jade tries to sabotage her. Trina can definitely be egotistical, but that one line was a scream of genuine terror. She was trying to save Tori's life.
@@violacola? Yes she is not pro allergy
@@violacola yeah, I remember think of Trina as annoying, but overall a good person.
She's supposed to be ugly but she's actually super hot, that lotion bukkake scene was an awakening for preteen me
“Realistically, if you had a DS you’d just put it in your pocket, not a giant wallet.”
Me: *cries in girl pockets*
the interviews with rex i know are meant to be taken as a joke but it is so damn uncomfortable to watch a man harass women
The fact that they set up Trina with martial arts skills and dancing skills makes me think maybe they should’ve included an arc or an episode or at least a side plot of Trina getting into stunt doubling
that would've been so good!!!
......Considering THESE writers im not sure that wouldve ended very well.
Remembering the Several stunt double injury jokes prompted specifically by the Gibby Dies incident..................
@@VirtuAquarium3D you know what? you're absolutely right
Something that only hit me six months after this video came out is that when the gang takes Rex to the hospital in S1 E14 the fact that they have him hooked up to an IV and taking up a bed and it *doesn't* plunge Robbie into crippling medical debt implies that Rex has health insurance.
Or that this show doesn't actually take place in the real Hollywood but any other country on Earth where universal health care is a very normal thing for everyone.
@@akumayoxiruma or it takes place in a universe where Hollywood isnt in LA, its in Canada.
Now that... is actually funny.
@@robloxtopmyths561 or, arguably sadder, in an AU where America does have free healthcare because it's easier to just. Not address the painful reality that unless you have insurance you can't afford a basic necessity.
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the fact that liz and ariana have better voices than the main character who's supposed to have this magnificent voice is so funny to me and they 100% deserved more spotlight and i will die on this hill defending jade and cat
Was it… a secret that Trina’s parents hated her? I feel like they were very upfront about that
The treatment of Trina actually really upset me as a kid. I thought they hated her because she wasn't a talented singer and as someone who also sucks at singing (but daydreamed about being a singer all the time) it really hurt. It felt like the message of the show was "you can achieve your dreams and have everything and everyone will love you but only if you're born special". Weirdly validating to hear this pointed out even though I'm in my 20s now
I agree. This show unintentionally had a terrible message that people are born being perfect at something without practicing and you don’t need to practice, improve, or work hard, things will just be handed to you because your the main character and hard work won’t pay off. and HSM had the same message. What’s sad is that this show easily could have had a good message if it had been about Victoria’s character working hard to get into the school and working hard and struggling to stay in. It could have had a good message about how practice and hard work pays off and how not everyone will be good at everything, but they can always practice and hone their skills and craft.
They could’ve had it where Trina had to learn to accept she wasn’t good at singing but she found another aspect of performing she was good at like dancing or song writing or whatever. Kinda like the message of Monsters University
I feel like this is really common in a lot of kids' media, at least in the west. Selling the fantasy of being great at something without really trying, or being born into power, whether that's royalty or something supernatural.
@@StarlightPrism yeah definitely! I think I picked up on it especially with this show because Trina was meant to be hated because she was an asshole, but they made every other character an asshole so the only difference was she wasn't talented. They could have made their point without making her character apparently talentless 🦪
@@StarlightPrism that oyster emoji was a total mistake lmao ignore that
I think Cat’s stupidity started to impede on Ariana’s real world singing career for a little bit just after victorious ended and she started to gain momentum. I remember everyone still expecting her to have red hair and wear cupcake dresses all the time and that once she ditched the red hair, Ari the megastar emerged.
That red hair fucking killed her hair dude, the constant bleaching and straightening is why she cut it off and wore ponytail extension in the first place
@@user-jb7tq7ko7e i just don't know how she was forced to do that when it damaged her hair so much
@@jazzcl7 tv shows can have contracts where the directors can have control over the actors hair. this happens with kpop artists quite often (obviously not exactly the same thing, especially culture wise, but still)
@@DellaVanilla14 I suspected that and it's pretty unfair honestly
@@jazzcl7 i think the first few seasons she did get it bleached but then she said her hair was getting really damaged so she ended up having to wear wigs and stuff
I remember the "why dont we ever sit on that side of the table" joke caught me so off guard.
I make this comment so I never forget this anecdote.
Hey, this is really funny because I just realized it now, one hour and 56 minutes later, but whoa haha my girlfriend just proposed to me while I was watching this video in the background! Just as I was watching this video, she went downstairs to receive an Amazon package, and suddenly I was surprised when your Victorious video stopped and a Carpenters song started playing. I turned my head and saw her on her knees with some super beautiful Star Wars rings, and she said, "I'm sorry, but I couldn't wait" (our anniversary is on May 4th because we're ridiculously nerdy and love Star Wars, and she had ordered this gift but it arrived early) and honestly, I was in shock, still am, and I'm so happy and thrilled, and it's so absurd that it happened during a 5-hour video about Victorious. I'm a big fan of your videos and Billiam's too. Greetings! Keep uploading such awesome videos!
thats so cute aww
Omg congrats dude!!!!
I'll never get over the whole "Tori is the most talented of the group" thing.... Not that Victoria can't sing, she is not a bad singer at all, but when her co-stars are LIZ GILLIES AND ARIANA GRANDE YOU CAN'T EXPECT ME TO THINK SHE IS THE MOST TALENTED!!!!!
Liz Gilles and Ariana Grande were on Broadway while Victoria Justice was doing sitcoms.
and leon too! leon has helped write a lot of ariana's songs and he is a great singer himself. def in my top 3 victorious singers along w liz and ari.
Well - You can separate story and reality. But even when it's just the story.
Talent needs also training. So there is no reason, why sometimes she gets treated better, get better roles and being that high praised while she was there on the school for such a short time.
@@lilysnape6520 exactly Liz deserved the main role in the plays they did she was the best female actress
Not to mention Leon Thomas III is immensely talented!
I haven’t seen Victorious in YEARS, but you can bet on the fact that I think of Trina’s Chicago song every single day.
I'm glad I'm not the only one
It's a city that's exciting, it's a city that's inviting, it's a city for a woman just like meeeeee. There's a lake they call lake Michigan, I think I'm really fitting in, this city is my perfect cup of teaaaaaaaa
@@SellaturcicaArt CHICAGOOOOOOOOO CHICAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW
I hear it in my nightmares, lol
It's catchy in the absolute worst way
Finally got around to watching this, and the end joke about David Schwimmer drowning was very eerily close to being true
It freaked me out when I heard him say that