Riverdale: The Biggest Anomaly in TV History
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A video about the epic highs and lows of high school dramas. #FreeTheRiverdaleCast
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Timecodes
0:00 Intro
3:44 Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa
7:28 Breakdown
10:57 Season 1
17:30 Season 2
23:30 Season 3
29:33 Season 4
37:15 Season 5
42:16 Roberto's Weird Writing
55:36 The Characters
58:28 Archie Andrews
1:06:29 Betty Cooper
1:16:30 Jughead Jones
1:21:39 Veronica Lodge
1:31:36 Cheryl Blossom
1:40:07 Kevin Keller
1:46:45 Toni Topaz & Riverdale Racism
1:58:38 Other Characters
2:02:34 The Riverdale Timeline
2:08:44 Settling For Mediocrity
2:12:52 The Best & Worst Episodes of Riverdale
2:18:05 Conclusion
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Riverdale
The CW
Netflix
Archie Andrews
Betty Cooper
Veronica Lodge
Cheryl Blossom
Jughead Jones
Toni Topaz
KJ Apa
Lili Reinhart
Cole Sprouse
Camila Mendes
Madeleine Petsch
Skeet Ulrich
Vanessa Morgan
Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa
Archie Comics
The Flash
Arrow
Riverdale
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i believe CW uses Riverdale as a way to launder money.
thats the best explanation I heard so far
This is still a more coherent and believable story line than anything Riverdale has produced post season 1
So its a riverdale story itself
It has to be the only reason why it’s still on the air.
Watch this be the season 6 plot twist
My cousin turned 30 recently. Which means she is finally old enough to play a teenager on CW.
And Zendaya will play her mom.
Lmao
@@friendlyspaceninja you replied!!! 🙌🏼💛
Tradition never dies.
fuck, that got me LMAO
In case you haven't noticed, Riverdale's weird. _It's a weirdo._
it doesn’t fit in, and it doesn’t wanna fit in.
Like have you ever see it without that stupid writing? That's weird.
riverdale fans: "i hate this word"
Weirdos make great superheroes. I love weirdos. The Hulk, early nerdy Spider-Man, Nightcrawler,etc. Riverdale isn’t weird. It’s like the kid who wanted to be cool from school who didn’t grow up and got a job for free for writing and pushed his fantasies as stories.
@@dingle2987 you could almost say that Riverdale's the damaged loner outsider from the wrong side of the tracks
Watching Riverdale feels like when you fell on the trampoline and couldn't get up because the other kids wouldn't stop jumping and give you a chance to regain your equilibrium.
😂😂 lol
HAHA yes exactly, i couldn’t have said it better
That's the funniest analogy I've ever heard im using this-
I tried to watch it when it first came out and I didn't like it that much and I'm so glad I didn't get into it because this writing drives me crazy
Lmao
the way they tried to sell alice cooper as being undercover for the fbi to investigate the cult but never noticed that her own ex-husband was a serial killer is so funny to me
Yep totally agree 🤣😂
I never thought I would hear FBI, Cult, Ex Husband, and Serial Killer in one sentence but here we are
@@ctnkenever heard of the Manson family?
The fact that she like sold their house or something & gave all their money to the cult as well??? Like girl, that’s dedication to the job 💀💀
I can't believe Riverdale is both gay AND homophobic.
I usually see this joke on Twitter, but fuck, here is real
That's what happens when people try to tell a story that isn't theirs without consulting the community they're talking about. The writers end up using their own limited understanding, which is often also prejudiced if they're dealing with a marginalised group. The writer will only have the experience they learned from other media prejudiced media, so those tropes will come up over and over again. Like, the fact that Kevin was cruising for sex from the age of 16 in the woods? Made me fucking howl. The writers genuinely think gay guys still have to run around in the woods like it's the 80's in the Midwest.
If a real gay guy was knocking around the set or empowered to make any calls over the script, he probably would've vetoed that in favour of awkward car hook-ups or meeting up at someone's house, because that's what most gay teens do these days- a lot like straight teens. But there wasn't and so we end up with this cartoonish character of Kevin, who looks, acts and sounds like the 'sassy gay friend' or uwu fanfic characterisation of a gay guy that all these women thought they were going to tame and domesticate as a 'gay bestie' at college, and the male writers worried were going to hit on them.
@@darthzaida1881 Roberto, the showrunner, is gay tho. Honestly I think he suffers from the same issue Ryan Murphy had: favoring their beloved straight jock with a heart of gold (see Finn, Sam, Archie, etc). I don't know if it's because that's the kind of guy they are attracted to or they simply love that archetype but its something.
Yeah it is also queerbaiting- trying to attract a queer audience by appearing queer but not rejecting a homophobic audience by not really engaging in is
For example putting the fake lesbian kiss in the trailer hinting at an open queer relationship in the center of the plot, having queer sidekicks whose only characteristic is being gay- Betty's best friend and not showing queer scenes to the same extent as straight ones
@@rociohernandez3077 Oh, wow, shut me I up! I had no idea, I guess Roberto is just so bad at writing gay people he had me thinking he wasn't. What a talent.
Cole Sprouse survived a career on Disney without singing only to be forced to sing in Riverdale
There were like one or two musical episodes he was a part of on suite life
hes actually a really good singer tho, at least in these musical episodes
@@greyblueme9711 true but the singing was done by dylan, his twin lol
@@ariyatabassumabdullah1143 thought both of them sung 🤔
Also, after Disney he was officially done with acting but decided to give it another chance for this project... That's just sad.
Explaining Riverdale is the same as explaining a half-remembered dream your friend told you seven years ago in reverse.
Lol
Lmao what a sentence
Accurate description of my neurodivergent day dreams
OMG, that's hilarious!! 😄
I think the worst thing about Archie being sexualized so much is that KJ Apa was the only one who was actually a teenager when he started filming. He was 19, which is still very young, especially for someone whose entire role is to walk around shirtless and kiss older women.
I love you for this, this, exactly. People discount the immaturity of older teenagers CONSTANTLY, and it completely takes away from how immature and impressionable even they are. The switch of maturity doesn't flip when you hit 17,18,19,20 it takes time and life experience to develop and im very sad that this was part of HIS first moments of adult life experience!
Virgin alert
Same thing with Taylor Lautner he was only 17 during the early Twilight movies
At 19 he's old enough to understand what he's getting into by agreeing to perform on _Riverdale._
@@BiggieTrismegistus No, he really isn't
I don't understand why they don't just put all the characters in college/uni and make them in their 20's, then all their antics and scandals can at least be..... legal
More shows need to be set in college in my opinion
1) actually getting away with older actors bc the characters are adults
2) things are actually legal and sex scenes aren’t as weird bc they aren’t underaged
3)it still has the nice school feel just older
4)you can still pertain to teen audiences but also reach and older audience too bc the characters are closer to their age
5)way more freedoms
6)still relatable bc its still school
7) you could also focus on the characters interests more bc there would be school majors and job opportunities
8) people wouldn’t be sexualizing underage characters
@@iorangealot I think the target audience is middle and high schoolers and I just don't think those kids find college as interesting. Theres not as much in the collective mind of what college "looks like", like there is with high school. Middle schoolers romanticize high school a million times more than high schoolers romanticize college
That's a better idea for an Archie adaptation. Say the stuff from the comics happened, but the characters are older and different now.
@ euphoria
That’s what S5 was should’ve been
"So I guess they're witches now?" and "But no, there is no time travel" are two sentences that ageed like milk.
As someone who hasn’t never watched the show, I believe that would happen honestly
Has never or hasn't ever. @@OIeka
Archie saying "got attacked by a bear" with a straight face killed me 😭😆 I feel so bad for the actors trapped in this project
Riverdale is an SCP That traps actors in never ending nonsensical suffering
They could have at any time just quit
@@codyrm86well, they do have contracts that lock them in for multiply seasons(and the notoriety of this show could be helpful for their careers, so that could be another reason), but I see what you mean.
@@codyrm86 It's typical for contracts to be for six seasons so no...not before season 6 wraps could they just quit unless they'd like to be sued by the network for breach of contract.
Roberto shouldn't be allowed near schools like seriously.
Or Kids.
@@filipe19991 Or teenagers
I'll never understand how predators can be so obvious and vocal with their inappropriate and dangerous attraction to teenagers and not end up getting caught by law inforcement
Or family reunions.
@@luh.4968 Honestly? Because as a society people collectively decided that the onus will always be on the victim to protect themself because predators gonna predate. People always say what they'd do if they ever "saw that" in real life but they see the shit every day, it just doesn't personally affect them. Then when it does they're the first assface on the news saying "There were no signs, [the predator] seemed so normal".
*"there are 2 distinct veronica's"*
Don't give them ideas. Or else in the next season we will have veronica's evil twin, harmonica dating archie
Not Harmonica 💀
HARMONICA…
Too late, its probably already confirmed for season six....
😂😂😂
Somewhere in the dark room, a river writer is writing that down:(
There's a thing that Betty does so often that I had to name it: the Bettyrogation. This is when Betty goes to visit someone she suspects to be a murderer, often trespassing, always alone, to harangue the suspect with accusations of murder. This alerts the suspect to danger, and since they're alone, even if the suspect were to confess it would accomplish nothing. Somehow Betty never gets murdered.
i totally, totally feel you abt that whole hard boiled, 3 pack a day, coffee stained, intense city detective thing her character does it’s so weird. if my 17 year old niece came to me with that i would just laugh in her face…even if i _was_ an organ harvesting cult leader abt to take off in a rocket ship like a clearance rack Evil Knievel. I wouldn’t take her seriously, she’s a kid.
but i was thinking…what abt _Betterogation_ instead?
@@LiddlestLadywtf did i just read
@@ey3z4ya 😂😂 i’m pretty sure i was stoned
GREAT POINT! This show shows kids making all kinds of stupid decisions to do dangerous things yet never experiencing any negative consequences!
@@LiddlestLady But it was so much in the spirit of the show. How could I ask such a person to begone from my temple?
It was actually so sweet to see the actor who plays Hermione sincerely trying to help a stranger, especially through something like Cameo, which I have always viewed as something pretty shallow actors use as a side hustle. It was pretty touching, which was the last emotion I expected to feel while watching a fucking * Riverdale * video essay.
Seriously, she seemed SO kind and genuinely wanted to help a person.
When I read this comment I hadn't gotten to that part yet and I had also forgotten there's a character called Hermione in the series so I was sitting here like:
"Bro got Emma Watson in his video, wutwhy? @_@"
I met her on a fanexpo back in 2019 (I was a hardcore fan before shit hit the fan, also I was 13-14 LMAO) and she was SOOO lovely. Like she listened to me, was so patient when I struggled with English, and was just over all amazing! I honestly felt so bad cause it was her, Natalie Bolt (Cheryl’s mom, who is also incredible) and Madeline, and everyone was lining up to Madeline and Marisol and Natalie were just sitting there 😭🤚🏼
A quote that I rly like is “a plot twist isn’t good because you didn’t see it coming, it’s good because you SHOULD HAVE seen it coming”.
Or at least it should make sense! like there are some breadcrumbs that will lead you there.
plot twists should be good enough to make you want to reread/ rewatch it to see if you could look back on the clues and foreshadowing. half the fun is trying to figure it out while you’re consuming it and going back knowing the twist.
Yeah, because then you start going back to find the crumbs that were already there. Then you go OOOOH NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE. I mean sure, twists we didn't see coming can be done well, but I feel like a lot of writers misinterpret it as "the audience can never know".
@@AndriaSilvaful ll
or, at least, it gives the illusion that you could’ve figured it out(even if you couldn’t)
In case you haven’t noticed, this show is weird. It’s a weirdo. It doesn’t fit in. And it doesn’t want to fit in. Have you ever seen this show have a cohesive plot? That’s weird.
But now we have a video explaining the weirdness.
You gotta give props to the actor for being able to say that line with a start face
This comment is going to achieve insane heights!
I LOOVEEE THIS COMMENT HAHAHAHAHAHA
This show is not like other shows! Duh!
Haha
I wonder what the writers' room for Riverdale looks like. I have a few ideas:
- Roberto is basically a tyrannical dictator who throws a tantrum whenever someone suggests that making Archie an erotic cheesemaker is not a good idea.
- The writer's room is a barren wasteland because they're all at home, binging other shows, and Roberto is left the sole writer.
- The writer's room is actually where all the discarded pages of manuscript go from other shows, and the writers just pick five pages and mash them together.
- Roberto is a self learning AI experiment gone horribly wrong.
- Everyone is smoking pot and/or crack.
Or maybe there is no writers' room and the entirety of Riverdale was based off Roberto's dream journal, because at this point that the only thing that would explain that mess of a plot for me tbh
oh man this was way too hilarious. Honestly I vote for option "all of the above"
Ok, now that was hilarious😂
AN EROTIC CHEESEMAKER😭
I've done a lot of writing while smoking pot, and my writing *improves* because I'm not as hung up second-guessing myself, so I don't think it's that one. xD
The fact that the “there is no time travel” line at 2:04:11 aged so poorly by the time I’m watching this video is making me laugh uncontrollably because I swear Roberto saw this video and said “I can fix that!”
They actually put time travel in it? Oh good god...
@@snekladyrobin yep. They also put superpowers, traveling into alternate dimensions, the devil, and witches
I was about to comment on this time stamp with "There is now !" xD
The fact this video was made before the most recent season is criminal. The most recent season truly was the magnum opus
@@sheylaanglesey3511oh. My god.
the fact that an entire season was based off of cole sprouse deciding he didnt want to get cold at 4am one morning and just refusing to do the job hes paid for is actually the funniest shit ive heard all week.
wait what?
Jughead was suposed to be în that scene în the Woods with betty veronica and archie. The actor ( cole) didnt want to be naked în the forest at 4 am for that scene so they filmed it without him. So they made the whole season about how betty archi and veronica might have killed jughead. They did that based on that scene where Cole didnt want to be in :)))
I mean, any other job you'd be fired but he is/was a huge draw for the show so they obviously wouldn't. Surprised he didn't refuse the musical episodes tbh.
@@annas.8902 They were probably held at gunpoint when they pitched it to them.
to be fair that job sucks lmao
Archie is basically the village people. He's everything, construction worker, boxer, singer, teacher, leader of a militia, soldier....
Omg this comment is amazing
Yes it's hilarious. 🙂
How did you leave out "fireman"?
Yup, and a really hot one for eye candy BUT REALLY REALLY NOT in a good way for a tv series o_0
Not a Native American though, because PC.
Having a star of a terrible show cameo to give you good advice for when you are having a hard time without telling them that the hard time is simply watching their terrible show has to be the greatest troll of all time.
this has to be the only comment that i saw addressing this!!
I saw this goth lace dress at hot topic and the collar had the name ‘Veronica Lodge’ printed on it and I just thought it was the brand name so I bought it but then months later I found out it was a riverdale thing and I never worn the dress in public since cause the thought that someone might think I’m a fan of this show is truly terrifying to me
I don't think it matters if it really looks good. But I get you💀😂
omg am so sorry. i can only blame the shift of fashion brands from using mononyms to full names as the main cause of your misfortune. 💀💀
You can try to remove the stitching or just replace the collar. But don't throw away the whole dress, that would be a waste.
the fact that cole literally refused to take part in a scene is a testament to just how little they care, like what are ya gonna do, fire me? please do 😐
Lmao mood 💀💀
@AmiePage Exactly. They need to respect their actors or let them go. I'm sure it's not easy for them but they have to stand up and just say *No*
Lol that is such a chad move tho
Imagine they did and then just killed him off lmao
@@Yamismol That would've been infitinely cooler than whatever the hell Riverdales storylines are
Jughead is the human embodiment of the statement "i'm not like other girls"
No it’s ,” I’m not like other boys”
No it's "I'm a weirdo"
LMAO TRUE
@@bigmaster1884 “im weird”
@l3ulaklak l3looming Hi I’ve seen you on the Sabrina vid and some other stuff (sorry if this is weird).
Hearing “The showrunner wrote a play in high school about Archie dating Nathan Leopold” really was all the context anyone ever needed
you know you've succeeded as a youtuber when the audience of one of your several hour long videos is largely made up of those who haven't even watched the tv show it's actually about and the retention rate is still insane. very well done space 😭
you also know you succeeded when your 2+ hr long youtube videos is pulling better numbers than whatever riverdale might be doing
Same, I've never watched any of Riverdale, but am here watching a 2.5 hour video about it 😅
Yep, this, Jenny Nicholson's Vampire Diaries video and Mike's Mic Glee videos are all awesome comfort videos about shows I will never watch
“I dropped out in the 4th grade, to run drugs, to support my nana”
Archie: “that means you don’t know the triumphs and defeats, the epic highs and lows of high school football” broooooo that’s probably the funniest line in the show. Like I know it hurt him to say them lines 😂 💀
Its painful just painful
Jughead mentioned it this new season, but he wasn't around during that scene which would imply Archie said that more than once
@@girlsgokawaii that cracked me up, like Riverdale was acknowledging their own bad writing and cringe 🌝🌝💀
My friends and I repeat it to each other so much 😂
@@illegalturkey99 probably I mean its probably because the consistency is nonexistent but it's just funny to think about it this way
Jughead is like the “I’m not like others girls” of Riverdale
Since when Jughead became a waifu.
And the fans eat it up 😂 I don’t get it.
@@miranda13c lol its not that they eat it up they think it's cringy as well. i don't know how to explain it but riverdale is one of those shows where it's so cringy that you got to watch it. It's like a cringe that you can somewhat laugh to. Basically if you look at riverdale as a comedy and not the "serious teen drama" it's trying to make it self out to be. Than it's actually decent.
@@lxrdkenji like twilight
"In case you haven't noticed yet I'm weird"
I remember joking with my friend, who actually did watch the show. I joked that since the actors were quitting that they should end the season with them being sucked into an alternative dimension so they can keep the show going with new actors. But then I recived the reply "but they went to another dimension last season." I believe this is a great way to see the entire series, as someone who only heard it was insane, I made something off the wall, only to hear they already did it.
Back in season one I actually thought Archie waa gonna turn out to be a Blossom like an illegitemate child or maybe secret triplet. Not that everyone with red hair has to be related but they were making SUCH a big deal about it. Everytime he entered a room someone would be like "Look, its Archie! He is hot, AND he's ginger! Ginger stallion! Ginger hunk meaty meaty meaty red ginger Archie with his red hair! Did you know that about him? I don't think you did."
And with the Blossoms leaning into being The Red Haired Family so hard. And Cheryl in her grief mistaking Archie for Jason.
I guess perhaps it was a... Red Herring, hehe.
But I think given this writing teams history it might just be a plot point they wanted to do but abandoned.
Late but also the Fact Archie would get compared to Jason alot and was Even Given Jason jersey
They really did build up that idea/subtext and then did nothing with it didn't they?? God so much has happened in the past few seasons that I completely forgot about that. That would have been an extremely reasonable direction to take the show in, especially compared to the super powers, cults, evil boardgames etc plots they've done 😭 I really wish they'd actually continued that storyline instead of appearing to set it up and then completely abandoning it. Then again, abandoning plotlines is completely on brand for Riverdale
Honestly they should’ve gone with Archie being their distant cousin instead of the Coopers. Not only do they resemble each other but also like you said, Archie is paralleled with Jason all the time. And might’ve given a reason why Mary Andrews left Riverdale if she was a Blossom. Polly being both Jason’s third cousin and the mother of his twins is just straight up weird.
🤣🤣 Your comment is hilarious! Glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read this: Everytime he entered a room someone would be like "Look, its Archie! He is hot, AND he's ginger! Ginger stallion! Ginger hunk meaty meaty meaty red ginger Archie with his red hair! Did you know that about him? I don't think you did." END QUOTE Shit, I can't stop laughing!! Thanks!
He writes his gay characters as single minded hyper-sexual nothings because that's exactly what he is.
It’s sad. I’m sad.
Literally
Yeah Greg Is not a good storyteller
Yeah Greg is not a good storyteller.
@@hopekeeley2122 I'm sad, you're sad, It's sad.
It's finally time to learn about the epic highs and lows of highschool football !
Probably one of the most infamous lines!
I burst into tears everytime I see this line 😭😭😭😭
I was attacked by a bear.
Wait, Riverdale was set in HIGH SCHOOL?!?! Oh yeah, I completely forgot because it seems to be about literally everything but.
omg i was the 1 like you needed for 1k likes !! :)
What also really sucks for Jughead's sexuality erasure, is that asexual doesn't mean sex repulsed. Some asexual will very happily have sex with their partner, for their partner. Just because they don't experience sexual attraction doesn't mean they won't have sex full stop. Legitimately, all it would have taken is a conversation or even a nod that Jughead is fine with having sex with his partners, since he is romantically attached. That's it. It showed Roberto either was just lazy, probably, or he legitmately doesn't understand asexuals.
People think asexual means aromantic AND sex repulsed. I mean... Show me a person who never had sex with their partner while they weren't in the mood, but the partner was. It's really not that difficult to imagine. (Just that part of the experience, though. I'm not pretending to understand the asexual experience because I had sex with my partner for their pleasure when I wasn't in the mood)
Holy shit, did I just find out that I’m asexual?
I dated a woman for a while and I was more than happy to have sex with her because I just loved knowing she was enjoying it, but I always found it physically clunky and awkward, and I was looking forward to the kiss afterwards and then some hand-holding 😂 I figured it was my fun combo of autism and sexual trauma but maybe sex just isn’t my cup of tea!
Asexual means you don't experience sexual attraction, not that you don't enjoy sex. So maybe you just have low libido (like me, I am bisexual but don't actively seek sex) @@bobbieparry646
@@bobbieparry646 Well yeah it's possible you're asexual honestly XD Just wanted to say like it's a spectrum (you might be collecting spectrums XD no but actually like almost everything in life is a spectrum), and so there is other identities like I'm demi sexual, so I can only feel sexual attraction towards those I have big feelings for for me even only romantic (but not all demi sexual it just have to be strong feelings/link), and so I experience sexuality in a kind of way bc in a relation with someone I am attracted to I'm still more on the ace spec than others could be like sex even with those I'm attracted to is just one more activity I can do with them, I enjoy it and enjoy making them feel good, but even though I can feel horny for them it's not like I ever feel I deeply "need" sex kinda. And I know others demi sexual are "kinda like not ace once it's with those they have feelings for", like my partner is also demi sexual but once it's someone he has big feelings for and his attracted to he's living the attraction in a non ace way XD Don't know if it's clear but yeah just look into all that and talk with people that "know" where they are in all that and you might understand yourself a bit better ^^ I know I felt relieved to understand what I was bc before I was just kinda lost like I just didn't knew if I could feel sexual attraction or romantic attraction etc, and it's not it would have been a pb for me to not do, just I was constantly unsure about it all, and knowing I was demi sexual has been "usefull" in a way bc I know I can do things with someone I don't love without being disguted etc and just to make others feel good and I don't know I find it valuable to know XD
Plenty of ace people also have libidos (best explanation I’ve seen: “attraction says ‘this one,’ libido says ‘right now.’”) so for fuck’s sake, you could even still have Jughead enthusiastically initiating! IT’S NOT HARD TO INCLUDE US, ASSHOLES!
The part about young people liking riverdale only because of ship culture really hits home for me since I had such a encounter a couple of years back, I once told a friend of mine that I knew of riverdale and later when I told them I was Bi they almost immediately sent me two pictures of (I think jughead and Archie) and asked me who I thought was “hotter” like they never asked me anything about what I thought OF the show just who I found more attractive, which I feel says a lot about the culture around the show.
Obsessive shippers are just sad people. They don't care about good story, characters, acting, writing or anything but whether 2 people in a film, book, show or game will fuck.
@@Xehanort10Shippers are a malignant tumor on so many fandoms. They're loud too so writers seem to have a tendency to listen to them.
@@BiggieTrismegistus I wouldn't go that far, but I agree that it gets excessive when they start prioritizing the shippable moments over a good story
@@violetlavi2207 How about this: the _obsessive_ shippers are the malignant tumor. I understand that some people want to see characters get together, but a few of them take it way too far by caring more about their beloved ship than anything else. I find their insistence that two straight men who are friends secretly want nothing more than to make sweet passionate love to one other particularly annoying.
in American teen dramas there seems to always be a main male character who's biggest life choice is music vs sport, and that's how you know you're setting yourself up for a rough time
cough cough fin hudson
cough cough high school musical
@@SisyZhou That's exactly what I was thinking.
What if that’s the story of my life though?!
join marching band, you get both
I honestly feel bad for Archie’s actor, he didnt sign up for a porno and it must be incredibly uncomfortable to keep going. The whole cast in general, honestly.
I would not be surprised if he came out with a story on sexual harassment in the workplace by a director. Like the speakers at the “me too” movement spoke of. Poor guy is being objectified the whole time.
@@username_creates6991 yeah, I feel like directors sometimes forget actors are people and not dolls to recreate your fantasies
@@username_creates6991 not "me too" plz...😒
@@user-qr2vo8pc9b What?
@@user-qr2vo8pc9b russians
I'll never forget seeing a video of Madelaine Petsch auditioning for The Prom, and almost all the comments were people amazed that she could actually sing and act. I hate that this show has given these actors the reputation that they're untalented.
Have I ever watched Riverdale? No.
Have I ever expressed interest in watching Riverdale? No.
Did I sit uninterrupted through the entire video instead of finishing my homework? Yes.
Same but the commentary is quite entertaining
Same, watching this as I do laundry and make dinner 😅
Every actor in this show is giving 200% but the writing is so awful that it completely undercuts their performance. You can tell in the interviews that Lili Rienhart is taking the time off set to look deep into her character and to find motivations that aren’t explicitly spelled out in the script. That’s something not every actor knows how to do or even considers doing. It’s what makes a great actor. It’s so heartbreaking that this is the role she will be known for for a very long time and she will have to work extremely hard to create a new reputation for herself.
I know right? Like the core idea behind Riverdale's characters is really interesting-- turning these happy-go-lucky stereotypes like girl-next-door and rich-privileged-debutante into sinister and morally grey people-- and the actors seem to know that but instead it's like "WHAT IF THEY TALKED LIKE LOWERCASE TWITTER POSTS"
Yeah I don't think Cole refusing to do a scene because it's too cold is him giving 200% lol
@@abbywolffe4114 Morally gray? They're terrible people. Space Ninja literally spelled it out for us.
I'm suddenly compelled to rewatch the first season on netflix
@@metallicnole4514 Why? It was terrible.
The hypersexualization of underage characters is very scary. I felt sick after you explained the sexualization of Archie’s character. With how many horror stories come from Hollyweird all the time, it makes me very uneasy. The idea of an old director using these young actors with dreams of a career to fulfill his own fantasy is infuriating.
Exactly, im newly 16 and just thinking about how sexualised all these characters are makes me feel ill
It also makes everything so unrealistic. Especially considering jughead actually being aromantic/asexual... while the entire show is overly romanticised and oversexualised.
Its actually so disgusting and incredibly creepy. Like- I'm 16 not 25. Just set it in college than it taking place in high school. What is Hollywood's obsession with high school.
@@princessmanitari4993 I'd love that kind of representation. Being on the ace spectrum myself it would have been nice to see it but oh well they just couldnt do that I guess.
Archie or anyone in this show is not even THAT sexualized (compared to Euphoria, Elite, etc)
Friendly Space Ninja: "There isn't any time travel in Riverdale!"
Newest Riverdale season: "And I took that personally!"
“I’m so over the toxic masculinity in this hallway right now.” It was that bit of dialogue i realised it’s THE CW.
are you kidding me??? The whole "Jughead is going to die" thing was because they improvised because an actor refused to shoot the scene???? this is next level, this is "I didn't even get out of bed today" level of LAZY
I respectfully disagree because of something your probably not thinking about. They were disregarding their actors comfort when they could have done this is other ways like indoors or on even just a less cold day or earlier so its warmer, even just putting them by a fire or giving them blankets. Like he dosen't act on this show for fun and they want him to strip naked in the freezing woods for no reason when they could film on a better day. Like why did it need to be 3 am on that day that was "Particularly cold".
I feel like he had the right to refuse to shoot that day. He might get paid alot but it's still a job and an employer is still asking him to freeze in the woods nearly naked and it's not like he can quit without getting sued.
Remember directors nearly always do scenes multiple times ontop of failed takes it's not usually infact almost never one good take and there done. Plus they would probably be rushed on set because they would be losing the lighting they wanted.
You would probably refuse too lol
@@captainsebt Oh love! He wasn’t shaming Cole Sprouse! He was saying the writers do not care about making the script good because they just added a random whole new plot for shock value because of the scene. He was saying it’s ridiculous an extremely lazy comparing it to probably one of the most common ways of being lazy: not getting out of bed because they didn’t want to. Basically, the writers did not care about the plot at all because they didn’t want to. Most good writers plan ahead, unlike the ones from Riverdale.
Tbh, a lot of people wouldn’t put themselves in an uncomfortable situation like that 🤷♀️ I sure as hell wouldn’t! Cole had every right to say no.
@@amberblake99 I see than I misunderstood the original comment.
@@captainsebt Yeah I never said he didn't have the right to refuse, I was just saying the circumstances leading them to deciding such a crucial plot point are ridiculous
@@DragonHotCoffee sorry for misunderstanding.
Ok but can we talk about how disturbing it is that a grown man is literally writing out his sex fantasies through underage teenage characters. Red flags all around...that dude's got issues, to say the least.
@Stormynights him*
Yep. And no adult will shut him down.
Yeah he’s asked “are you having fun?” And it’s like,, I’m sure someone out there is… :/
Not really. He's just a dedicated shlockmeister
@@heinoustentacles5719 This. I doubt the dude wants to sexualize underage teens anymore than he really cares about long-lost relatives, multiple criminal organizations, cults, incest, or having a serial killer alter ego. He's just throwing eDgY ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks.
It’s honestly insane how talented thr cast is. Madeleine Petsch delivers a genuinely great performance in the episode “In Treatment”. Lily Reinhart is Great in everything I’ve seen her in.
I live in the UK and simply finding out that Riverdale is a CW show rather than a Netflix "Original" (as it was marketed over here, believe it or not) has made so much click into place.
The only redeemable quality of riverdale is Cheryl’s outstanding wardrobe. That’s literally it so major props to the costume designer.
Yaaas
In all honesty, the wardrobe does have its good moments (though that unfortunately can’t save a show as bad as this)
Was the Jessica Rabbit look on purpose or by accident, I never watched this show.
Her outfits are great, but so not relatable 😅
Also the makeup is decent
the fact roberto decided to erase jughead’s asexuality just so he could sexualize him, a 15 year old character, is so alarming, this man needs to be put on a list
I wouldn't be surprised, if he is actually involved into something shady and inappropriate.
Me as an asexual ;-;
@@juventinareyes5001 I am so sorry for y'all. One of my good mates was super upset when they heard about that character choice, back when we all thought 'Riverdale' was going to be a serious TV show instead of the flaming trash-tornado we have now.
@@juventinareyes5001 me too! this could’ve been a great opportunity for a popular asexual character but i guess not…
@@forever-winter missed opportunity on my opinion
Wait let me get this straight, the guy that made a screenplay so offensive that the Archie comic guys sent him a cease and desist so his screenplay wouldn't be shown ended up being hired to write for Netflix a show based on the Archie comics... if that doesn't tell you everything you need to know about the show 😂
The most unrealistic part about season 5 is Archie being a teacher, fireman and coach.
When I was in middle school there actually was a teacher who was a volunteer fireman and coached football. Seriously.
OK, I just found that section & discovered that S5 was when Archie, now an ADULT, was a teacher, coach, & fireman. It he's a VOLUNTEER fireman, then you're right, it's quite common in a small town or rural area. And I never knew a coach who WASN'T a teacher! @@BiggieTrismegistus
Are you trying to make a joke about Archie's abilities? Because there's nothing unrealistic about someone having all those roles in a small town or rural area.
I will never EVER get over Jughead saying he's weird and referencing his hat, I am crying tears rn. That is comedy gold tf???
It is a funny line but far my favourite.
Watched this episode yesterday and definitely the funniest shit thus far 😂
You can tell Cole Sprouse knew the line was dumb because he camps it up SO MUCH
was your 2000th like
@@sat6rnn heheheheh fenks!!!
"But is it still better than Emily in Paris?" I'm ready to watch 2 hours 22 minutes and 1 second to find out.
Cole Sprouse makes up for so much BS so imma say yes but only because of Cole and his amazing beanie
Honestly? Yeah, it is 😂
Cole carries Riverdale, yes, it is.
@@FrancisFabricates cole does not make up for this show oml. Riverdale tries to be a million things and accomplishes barely anything
Yeah, at least it's fun in a nonsense way. EIP is just boring
Roberto must have blackmail material on a couple of studio heads. That's the only explanation I can think of for why he keeps getting all these chances to screw up all these properties.
Riverdale isn't a show that jumped the shark, it's a show that yeeted itself over a sharknado with a circus cannon repeatedly
Maybe Roberto, like the rest of us, should have just written his kinky fanfic and posted it on AO3 instead, and tagged it appropriately. Would have saved a lot of time and money.
Yeah? 50 shades, mortal instruments, 365 Days and after say otherwise
I wouldn't be surprised if he had AO3 and Wattpad accounts, you know, for research purposes
@@M.I.N.A. those are all universally panned projects like Riverdale, so you're basically just making OP's point lol
Imagine AO3 writers if they had his budget... OH GOD NO 😱
@@katevgrady I mean I got confused by the "like us" part cause I'm pretty sure OPs fanfic isn't published but if thex meant it like you're saying then I agree.
The secret is, Riverdale is a Soap-Opera. It has no plot, because it is a soap-opera. Everyone has a secret twin for no reason, because it is a soap-opera.
that explains a lot my friend.
at least in my country soap-operas are good...
That's not an excuse, there are pretty good Novelas out there
UK AND Australian soap operas have writers that obviously care about plot, character realism and sensitivities of serious subject matters they portray even if they're fast food television.
It's still bad. Hell, wrestling story lines (which are basically Testosterone fueled soap operas) are better than some seasons of Riverdale.
Betty: Girl next door, the one who strives to do good, a friendly hand, a good person. Enjoys the small things in life. Loves her town and its citizens.
Riverdale: What if we made her a bitch.
Veronica: Passionate, if a bit brash. A tad materialistic, but her heart is bigger than her temper. Driven, unstoppable. "Can't do, sweetie" is not an acceptable answer.
Riverdale: what if we made her a bitch.
Cheryl: a cartoonishly evil mean girl who is known to be more than her nefarius deeds, in extremely rare occasions. Wants what she doesn't have, discards everything she uses. A total bitch you really like because you don't have to deal with hear.
Riverdale: the exact same thing, but somehow it's not fun anymore. So just a bitch.
Reggie: a dick you can't get rid off.
Riverdale: he's kind of fine. He's barely in the series, so the writters don't really do stuff to ruin him. He's kind of a better person, somehow.
Jughead: Aloof, but with a good heart. Loyal. Independent. Enjoys eating quite a lot and his truest love is tasty food. A no-nonsense kind of pal who still takes every opportunity he has to make a joke. Has a well defined moral code and, while he's strives for undertandment, he will not stand idle and let bad things occur if he has a chance to stop them.
Riverdale: what if we made him a bitch.
Archie: clumsy, but good hearted. A lovefool, a redhaired golden-retriever. Loves his friends and loves music and loves fun because the greatest thing to do in this life is to love. Guitars. Cars. Movies and comics too. The average guy who somehow fits in everywhere he goes. He'll just break a lot of stuff in the process.
Roberto Aguirre Sacaza: what if we made him MY bitch?
Riverdale is unironically, my favorite show. The story never fails to amaze me with how batshit crazy it can go. Bravo to the cast and crew, they created a horrificly glorious masterpiece
I wouln't say its my favorite but i think it's so ahead of it's time. A lot of critique from the video i dont understand because the show is not lying to you and the author of the video is like "yes but i want this show to be a different show!"...like, yes, but that's a you problem.
I think it's absolutely insane, i think Roberto and the writers take all the drugs before writing and the best part is (what video called out as a critique) - Roberto and writing team do not care about the fans. I think that's amazing. You do you roberto, write your own show for yourself, if people don't like it fine, if they like it, fine. Live your best life Roberto.
@@anamiljanic3571 yeah they care about sexualizing everything even if it makes the ACTORS uncomfortable.
I always loved how Archie tried to sympathize with homeless Jughead because of his struggles of having to choose between being a football star or musician heartthrob
I CANT BELIEVE THE CROSSOVER HAPPENED!!!!!
AMANDA IS TRAPPED IN NINJA’S VIDEO!! WE NEED TO HELP HER GET OUT!!
the cognitive dissonance
Pack it up Troy Bolton
Yep, because that's TOTALLY the exact same thing! Also, great to catch you on another channel, Amanda!
The writers of Riverdale took the concept of "camp" and drove it off a cliff lol
All the youtubers are showing up for this and I couldn't be more happy tbh. Also I would love a video from you about the concept and history of camp
Broey, I am always confused between you & Hailey Elizabeth 😃 Your faces & voices are uncannily similar.
Campy doesn't= bad writting. It just means silly and over the top.
And then they bombed the cliff to make sure no one comes back up.
What a surprise that u were here, what a collab!
Let’s all take solace in the fact that Archie Comics lost rights to the Sonic the Hedgehog comics otherwise Dr Eggman would’ve taken over Riverdale and Archie would have to stop him via collecting the Chaos Emeralds.
As someone who used to buy the comics as a kid and loved Melissa Joan Hart's Sabrina, I'm really glad this video exists. It satisfies my curiosity but also saves me hours of disappointment.
Same here 😂 I tried riverdale, got to the first episode of season two and felt too violent and disgusted to continue 😅 childhood totally crapped on 😭
@@LoreleiCatherine yeah if you're bothered by violence then the story definitely isn't worth trying wade through all that lol
The surreal thing about the "I'm a weirdo" is Cole Sprouse genuinely trying to deliver it with a straight face, in a way that is as close to natural as it is possible for such a line, as if good acting could save it?
He’s trying his best, but I don’t think anything can salvage that line
tbh, he almost pulled it off. it’s still dumb BUT for me it looked like the character knew that he sounded ridiculous and kind of intended for it to happen as to be less insecure in front of the other.
anyhow. he tried, pure soul
@@freckleKaren i agree
Honestly I got to say that line doesn't even touch my top five of the worst lines in Riverdale.
my favorite part of that clip is watching him struggle so hard to keep serious and deliver this somehow, it’s almost inspiring lol of course he can’t do it because no one can, but watching him try is kind of amazing
Riverdale gave us the line "you clearly don't understand the epic highs and lows of high school football" so I will consider it a success.
As you should
the only good thing about the show
I last played HS football over 20 years ago and that line is absolutely correct.
Proceeded by the image of an ten year old selling crack to support their grandma.
Friendly Space Ninja and Alex Meyers need to do a collab on this. Both have suffered through this show and are great at condensing it in their own great way
I love how Marisol’s advice is just a nice way of saying “touch grass”
“I dropped out in the fourth grade, to run drugs, to support my nana.” 54:24
That is the greatest line in television history.
I literally chuckled and said “aw that is so sweet”
“That means you haven’t known the triumphs and defeats, the epic highs and lows of high school football” Shakespeare could never
@@epicjoyfulcreations4580 THATS the best line
@@epicjoyfulcreations4580 HAHAHAH
@@epicjoyfulcreations4580 THIS ONE wins
I've never seen a single episode of this show but the "I'm a weirdo" monologue lives in my head rent-free.
Same tbh
I’m weird. I’m a weirdo. I don’t “fit in”, and I don’t WANT to fit in. Have you ever seen me without this stupid beanie? That’s weird.
@@mina-simp lmao
I hate Riverdale so much but I can recite those lines by memory
This is a like an exact description of my relationship to this show.
“The epic highs and lows of high school football” will forever be an iconic quote.
I think that Hiram Lodge being the Black Hood or being behind it would've made more sense. He was trying to reduce the value of the town to sell it off. That would make perfect sense. They've missed so many chances to have an interesting and clever show.
my favourite part of riverdale is how much lili reinhart hates riverdale. reminds me of robert pattinson and twilight all over again.
I think all the actors hate Riverdale at this point hahahah
@@jmcmontanheiro Lmao yup!! In the interviews, you can see them at least attempt to hide their hatred with some jokes or something but Lili just straight up trashes it each time and looks like she doesn't wanna be there XD
@@oracleofdelphiii I watched an interview where Kj apa and cole sprouse were just talking to each other through the whole thing and not paying any attention .....they really don't wanna be there lol.
I once saw a clip of an interview with Cole about the Heathers episode where he said "Well, at this point Riverdale is whatever it is from week to week..." he sounded so tired
I honestly question why they didn't quit the show yet
"Everything is about sex, except sex, which is about Riverdale."
Merchant guild assemble.
LMAO
I'm gonna say this forever.
*swindles jin in glass* i see what you did there......
oscar my beloved
JUSTICE FOR REGGIE!!! Went from being a main character in the comics to completely sidelined in the show.
I just love how throughout various interviews and moments it sounds like the cast and the writers had, like, literally no discussion about things until the shooting day, when they would just go "nah man, I am not doing that", and everyone is just "okay then, let's recalibrate"
I can't believe that Cole got away with refusing to do that scene in the woods, causing the writers to change the entire course of the show for the season. If I'd been the other 3, I'd have been like, if Cole isn't doing it, we aren't doing it. Write something different.
If it weren't for Riverdale my bf and I wouldn't have our favourite joke of responding to everything with "He just doesn't understand the Epic highs and lows of High School Football." It really works in all situations.
That’s so cute!
ME AND MY MAN DO THIS TOO LMAO
ME AND MY GF DO THIS AND WE’VE NEVER SEEN THE SHOW
@@lakenrutland8877 I don’t get it
@@Sandrinarhonda it’s a quote from the show you just have to watch the whole video lol
I love that they had to completely change a plot in season 4 because Cole Spouse was like nah, it's too cold to be out at 4 am in my underwear.
Power move
really attests to the star power of Cole Sprouse compared to everyone else on the show. no one else would've gotten away with that.
Like, why didn't they just, write out them needing to be naked? I've never seen the show but SURELY that would have been less work!
@@internetexplorer6304 ok wait I can't remember if I've seen this or not why was Jughead under water naked?!
@rorolilred Bro I have no idea I don't watch the show 🤣 I just see the buck wild clips. Something about a demon ritual?
I actually love Riverdale because of how absolutely absurd and ridiculous it is the entire way through. The section where you ran through the random quotes had me crying tears. Incredible.
I‘m actually so sorry for K.J. being so over sexualized, like he is actually a pretty good actor but Roberto just lets him be the golden retriever boy who is super hot and no one can restit him and lets K.J. walk around shirtless all the time…
I'm not defending that creep, Roberto. I did want to point out that KJ Apa has said he prefers not wearing a shirt whenever he can get away with not wearing one, so that in itself is not an issue.
Cheryl is one of the biggest examples of wasted potential in this show. She could have been incredibly complex as a traumatized young girl who lacks the coping skills to deal with said trauma and in turn takes it out on everyone, and hopefully develops in the future. But no. They completely ruined her.
I really liked Cheryl in S1, she started as a basic mean girl but on the last couple of episodes you see how miserable she is. After that i was so excited about what they were gonna do with her character in S2 and well....... she literally turned into a prop. No storyline, no development, oversexualised, horrible writing and no screentime. The worst is that the potencial is there, the episode with Toni is a good example of that bc its good but then nothing. Sucks how they ruined her, the whole cast deserved better.
Exactly
Yeah I followed the hype train and genuinely enjoyed the first season. Simple plot and nice aesthetics and well Cheryl was one of my faves despite the gut wrenching dialogue. I liked the set up and the emphasis that she’s actually absolutely miserable and traumatised and then they just… kinda forgot about it??
@@enriquev1271 how is cheryl oversexualized? are u saying that bc she's a lesbian
Cheryl after season 1 held that show together she carried that show and still does really
Cheryl is not only the show's signature lesbian, she's also the show's homophobe.
That's such a bizarre combination of character traits.
The thing is, that could work. Internalized and structured(?) homophobia is a thing and specially gay people doesn't notice how they're being somewhat homophobic themselves, because sometimes it's something that's so common on our society that we don't see the problematics of it.
So, if the show actually talked about this, it could be a great way to show how homophobia is something so rooted in our society. Cheryl could learn from Toni or any other gay character that she shouldn't do or say somethings. That could even teach the audience how not to act. But nah, she's just a jerk
ive seen edits of cheryl and she radiates lesbian energy and this is coming from a lesbian
@@nattyism she surely does radiate lesbian energy (and I'm a lesbian myself), but her being lesbian doesn't have any major affect on her character, nor does her relationship with Toni or their breakups. It's almost like is just there to fill a checklist, because I can be totally erased and doesn't matter at all to the show or to the characters.
@Bille Nye The Russian Spy I am not sure, but as long as I'm aware, she only has romantic interest in women. She mentions a girl in her past that her mom took away from her, she was obsessed with Josie, and she got involved with Toni. I don't recall her mentioning having anything for a guy before, though, we are talking about 4 seasons with 12-23 episodes each, so maybe there's some information that I don't remember. I am sure that Toni is bi, but I am not sure about Cheryl's sexuality.
@Bille Nye The Russian Spy oh, you're right! I totally forgot about this, I guess because it came out of nowhere and it ended up being completely pointless, either way, you're welcome :D
The fact the teacher was wearing the glasses in Lolita is wild. On top of her being the perpetrator while Lolita was being the one perpetrated by Humbert. Its messy
If the writing was better they could have used that as an Easter egg for her character. As in maybe she was victimized by someone when she was young, someone who become a big bad villain. Victims unfortunately become predators often.
And often they don't. There are just some bad people in the world. @@evaphillips2102
21:48 wow that was actually some pretty solid advice and the way she delivered it makes you feel understood i know you probably paid for her to make you a video but her advice was super genuine and warm ..
Jughead has become the gold standard of a character having their asexuality erased so much that I've heard other characters who've had their asexuality erased referred to as being 'Jugheaded'
I had forget that he was/is ace. What this show did to me?!?!! 😭😭😭😭
that's kinda funny given he was more recently revealed as ace since it was a reboot comic continuity. but ig w the popularity of riverdale the ace identity in the comics was more well known, what other shows has this happened in?
I remember when I first watched the show, a friend told me about Jughead's asexuality, so I thought,"Oh okay it's an adaptation not all things were going to make the screen." Although it would've been interesting to see an asexual character, because Hollywood ignores them, despite how "woke" they pretend to be Hollywood ignores other groups of people who are asexual, pansexual, nonbinary, polyamorous, and much more of different varieties of people who deserve proper representation.
@@summerrose8110 to think that in thailand it has a tv series with threesome relationship (one girl with two boys) (who *equally* love each other)
@@ayla6526 three is free😍
Yessss…these writers and creators need to stop making “teen shows with adult scenarios” (and casting adults to play teens). It’s misleading, confusing, and uncomfortable.
Yes! and even if having adults it’s the best option for various reasons (working hours, protect children, etc.) DON’T put them in all of this hyper sexual situations, especially the teacher-student trope it’s disgusting
@@dianaacevedo7552 agreed
@Booper Dooper We got to give this to riverdale, it’s true.
That's why I liked The Order as much as it's not like, an amazing show, it's so much easier and fun to watch because it's set at a college but otherwise it's like a classic CW type show. Unfortunately it got cancelled by Netflix after 2 seasons though. Just make them college students if you want them to have fun sexy times and party a lot!
@Booper Dooper She's driven out of town because we're talking about a she. When the teacher is a he, it's often made into a "love" story because older men preying on girls and younger women has always been normalized as even the first example you thought of shows.
My theory is that Roberto has some major dirt on someone with a lot of movie-granting power.
The timeline inconsistency is what happens when you do everything on the spot and don’t plan anything ahead and don’t take notes on what you come up with lol
"I'd recognize those abs anywhere."
-Veronica Lodge
One of the WORST lines ever!
Riverdale is an anthology of terrible lines, held together by horniness and glitter glue
I found the line “Take, this, the hell, down” worse lol
Her song about her sexuality is the worst thing that ever happened in this show imo
@@evak5673 lmao
Actually the worst lines ever uttered in Riverdale are "If you haven't noticed, I'm a weirdo. You ever see me with out this stupid hat. I don't fit in and I don't want to fit in"
The actors themselves are better writers than the writers ......SHAME
At a certain point, Cheryl's actress said that a break up between Cheryl and Toni could break Cheryl entirely and most likely make her worse and feeling lost or something like this. Then we cut to them actually breaking up about 2 or 3 times now without any consequences on them or their relationship. So yeah, the actress made more sense than the actual writers.
@loveutill theendoftimes it's very sad honestly
In this whole show, I found Veronica is the most beautiful one and I love her aesthetic. I even thought she is a vampire or something. But they ruined her character. It's like she have enemies to... enemies trope with her dad that never changes.
Veronica being a vampire and that explaining her rampant pop culture references is my favorite headcanon now. Who cares.
I hate the idea of V as a vampire. Cami is just so gorgeous and V was the best of the Core 4 characters. They wasted so much potential with this show.
I tried to listen to this while I was doing some construction work. When it got to the part of you explaining the timeline jumps and inconsistencies I had to focus, stop what I was doing, and then wait until my lunch break to sit and watch and try to understand what the hell just happened lmao. I felt like an eldritch horror protagonist uncovering impossible truths not meant for mankind to understand.
I’ll never forget that Cheryl’s coming out storyline happened because the episode was an ad for Love Simon
Oh yeah, that was painful.
You could say literally anything about Riverdale and I’d believe you at this point
@@sigh824 Betty and Archie are actually secretly dating behind Veronica and jughead's back, Betty is a secret vampire and Veronica is actually a robot who came there to collect information on Riverdale but broke through the code
@@angelambrosia6397 no bc that sounds like an actual story line
@@angelambrosia6397 I believe you
About the LGBT characters, I don't think fitting into stereotypes is inherently a bad thing, but the problem is when they're *just* stereotypes and that's exactly what Kevin is.
Yea, the difference between fitting a stereotype and being one. I'm gay and I fit into a lot of stereotypes, but I'm also a person who's more complex than just liking theatre
Kevin is the typical GBF, and a very boring character
@@danielrubinstein896 but also the facts he hooks up with random guys in forests is SO stereotypical and a pretty harmful one...
@@marythewinter i agree
Marit de Vries tbh they didn’t even get that stereotype right! It’d be… men’s bathrooms or the local community center showers or even a truck stop, not the fucking woods! Who cruises for any sort of sex with any gender or sexuality in the WOODS or is there something about rural towns I don’t know. I mean maybe as a meet up spot but otherwise…?
What I hated most about the characters in Riverdale was that we never got to see their flaws that humanise them. Veronica in every scene is always this badass who tells men off but we never see her in a vulnerable position to be able to empathise with her. Jughead is written as far too quirky all the time, Betty fades into the background and everything involving Archie is designed to make him appear as PERFECT as possible. These are not people anybody can relate to.
V was vulnerable in earlier seasons. There was that scene in the bathroom of her sobbing & B holding her when V thought that her parents were the cause of Ethel's dad's suicide attempt. She cried in the courtroom when Archie was sentenced to juvenile detention & B comforted her there, too. IDK what happened, but they screwed up B&V's friendship, too, which was hugely popular with fans (which is why Cami & Lili had so many media appearances, photoshoots, ad campaigns, & interviews together).
As a person who's never watched a single episode of riverdale and is completely unfamiliar with the source material, the storylines for the seasons 3, 4 and 5 feel more and more like something out a fever dream... at this point, i REALLY want to know what the hell was going through the writers' head to have made this show like seriously you've gotta have some special talent to make such a bad show that just keeps getting progressively worse, if that's even possible. how is riverdale even real
when they announced jughead's 'death' I thought it was one of 2 possibilities:
1. shock value
2. cole sprouse had finally acted on his disdain for the writing and didn't want to be in the show anymore.
I definitely thought Cole had finally had enough lol
I think if Cole does just throw his hands up and quit they'll try and bribe Dylan into taking the role
@@dirtydan5281 lol, so true
@@dirtydan5281 I think Dylan wouldn't be that foolish to take the role.
dirty dan Dylan's doing Chinese dramas now, Riverdale would be a real downgrade for him LMAO
How much do you want to bet that window jump death scene was genuinely just Sam Witwer attempting to escape the set?
LOVED THAT
XD
I cant 😂😭
Don’t blame him, I’d do the same
AHAHAHHAA
I’m sorry but when I hear the name Sam Witwer, I think of darth maul and twitch streamers.
As an asexual person myself I was really disappointed that they erased Jugheads canonical sexuality. It also led to a bunch of people being openly aphobic online bc heaven forbid there's a single character less they can sexualize and ship.
I'm on the ace spectrum myself and tbh I'm torn... On one hand it would've been great to see some representation, but on the other hand, seeing how all other instances of representation in this show went, maybe it's a good thing they left their hand off the asexual character :')
@BK Beatty he's confirmed asexual, not aromantic if I'm not wrong
The show's erasure of an asexual character didn't cause people to be "openly aphobic online." The mob did that; don't blame the show. They would have been just as dismissive of a character's lack of interest in sex if they were part of their ship as they are with a character's heterosexual orientation. Cheryl is/was hetero in the comics & in S1. But there was such demand to get Beronica together, which they had said they'd never do (until they did) because it wasn't canon, that I think they made Cheryl lesbian & gave viewers Porny,- I mean Choni,- to distract from Beronica. People shipped Archie & Jughead. They do this with ACTORS, too, not just their characters. That's what annoys me most. There's no respect for people's boundaries. All that matters is the fans' head canons. It seems nobody can just be heterosexual anymore. That's not trendy. Also, there's no reason why 2 women who are both attracted to women can't be friends with each other WITHOUT being sexually involved. I've had very close, lasting friendships w/ 2 friends, all of us single & either lesbian or bi, & I've never wanted to date either & vice versa. There's almost no respect for deep, loving friendships & non-sexual touch anymore. EVERY relationship gets sexualized.
i think the adult casting in riverdale is hilarious. people often think adult casting is a bad thing - it's not. It's pretty necessary when making shows FOR teenagers because teenagers aren't going to "look up to" people their own age. Buffy did it fairly well even though it was funny sometimes how old the characters like Cordelia and Xander looked. having older actors play teens isn't a problem, the problem is when you cast older actors and give them storylines for someone in their 20s. The Vampire Diaries was also terrible for this!
i'm genuinly curious. you gave an argument as to why it's good in the case of teen roles. but why is it bad for characters in their 20s?