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Nickelodeon allowing Ariana to miss filming days while forcing Jennette to work right after her MOTHER died is still one of the most infuriating things I have ever read. So not only does Jennette not get the solo show she was promised, but she also has to grin and bear it when her co-star can just blow off work whenever because she's got other projects. And then they have the audacity to try and make her take hush money after throwing her under the bus? I hope she laughed in their faces when she said no. And I hope her book sales made TRIPLE what they offered.
Apparently it's sold over 2 million copies. From a quick google, a self-published author generally makes between 40-60% royalties and traditionally published authors make between 10%-20%. Looks like hardcover sells for between $20-28, Kindle sells for $15-28, and audio book is $13.50. So from anywhere between 27 mil to 56 mil in sales, she'd theoretically get between $2.7 mil to 11.2 mil. So... MUCH more than they offered her, to say nothing of moral justness and peace of mind.
I bought her book in audio (she narrates it and its a fucking heartwrenching yet hilarious reading of it) but im literally going to buy a physical copy because i like it so much. don't worry, she's gonna make money and be comfortable the rest of her life i hope.
As someone from the book industry, she was likely offered millions in advance and probably is going ro make royalties for a long time. Especially if you consider that translation copies internationally are coming out still, and may sell through 2030. She definitely made that back triple
The idea of a teenage girl from California with a weird abusive relationship with her mother singing a country song about moving to California and missing her mother is so tragic and surreal it’s almost poetic
The stuff in icarly with Sam’s mom that Jeanette had to go through (with her actual dangerously abusive mother watching her act) sounds like a level of hell
my mom is a morning show host on a country radio station. jennette did a private performance at the studio and she played this song. i got to meet her that day. looking back at the photo of us... makes me feel sick. it's blatantly obvious now that she was so unhappy. she tried hard to relate with every kid there and give them a special moment even in her time of pain. i deeply respect her.
It's almost like if you made this as a movie from scratch with this plot, it would HAVE to be a dark comedy, if that makes sense. Because the surrealness of just how insane and all over the place these events are feel like they only make sense in that really fucked up context of hyper juxtaposed irony about absurdly dark subjectmatter. I don't know how you could even remotely write a scene where a man watches a Christian movie and just suddenly realizes he's Jesus in any other way than having it be played off as a really fucked up bit of dark satire, everything about this is just unreal! Like you couldn't play this shit straight without being called out for making something way too on the nose for the project.
The venn diagram of “people who were preteens during 2013 and might have watched Sam & Cat” and “people who were obsessed with the original Silence of the Lambs film for the entirety of 2013” has one person in it and that was me. That episode was made for me and me only and I didn’t know about it until just now
Okay but I became obsessed with The Silence of the Lambs (1991) in 2015 and I only became aware of Sam and Cat that same year when a friend put it on as a joke for us to play a drinking game with so. Maybe the venn diagram isn’t so small?
There's something kind of bittersweet about knowing Miranda and Jeanette were actually really good friends during iCarly, and that Miranda was one of her first, best, and longest friendships despite them growing apart.
And near the end they're still really close. Sure they disagreed on the iCarly reboot, but Miranda understood why she didn't wanna do it and they left it there. It's nice to see a genuinely good person in Jenettes life
honestly having watched all of this with no attachment to or nostalgia for these shows, and this being my only window into them: thank christ that the overall destructive influence of this environment missed one sweet thing, and gave jeannette a lifeline like if their adult friendship didn't hold in the same way, that's a bummer, but she has tools to handle that now- i was waiting for some shoe of profound heartbreak or cruelty to drop with that, the first nice thing that ever happened (in the narrative, anyway) and it's a genuine relief that it didn't
and it sounds like they only really grew apart in the sense that they don't talk as often anymore and that's not so weird when we get older anyway. It sounds like their talks aren't as often but they are just as strong as before. That's nice to know
I feel like the way the reboot handles Sam’s absence is really heartfelt and mature. Basically Carly and Freddie wax poetic about how Sam is tough and can handle anything the world throws at her. It almost feels like they’re talking directly to Jennette when they say it. Like they’re saying “If what happened to you happened to us, I doubt we would’ve made it through.”
I'll never understand why the show concept wasn't about Cat performing at a restaurant that Sam runs. It's so simple. Cat sings, Sam loves food and is entrepreneurial. They could do so much with that premise, the restaurant would be a better set than the condo, and it would explain these opposite characters spending so much time together. Also, Ariana would be SINGING which would bring in a lot of viewers.
Imagine Cat is one of many recurring talents that performs on stage at the restaurant. Dice could be the shady busboy that Sam hired because he reminded her of her younger self. Goomer could be the talent of a fighting match they hold at the restaurant every Friday. The performers could all be crazy characters, the food they serve could be in the wacky theme of what's performing that night, etc. Singing Saturdays, Fighting Fridays, Weirdo Wednesdays, Magic Mondays, etc. Dice could perform on Magic Mondays since he's a magician. I am making this up on the spot while sitting alone on a couch. Why couldn't the writing staff do better?
I don't know about that, I get the impression that Ariana didn't want to associate her music with Nickelodeon when her career was taking off. Also, even though Sam likes food, I don't think she can cook and she's also not very good at organizing things. I think the ideal way to pair them up would be to give them their own in-universe sit-com. One of these girls is fresh off being the co-host of a mega popular kid's web show, the other is an actress at a preforming arts school, and that premise would stay true to the shows sensibilities of referencing old sit-coms and sit-com culture.
@@allyssaswain2394but isn’t that kind of subversion of expectation the root of comedy? Like how Charlie from Always Sunny manages to get the bar to pass the health inspection or how Michael Scott has a “Worlds Best Boss” mug despite him being a terrible manager? In fact I can’t think of any work place based sit com where the main cast are actually good at their jobs?
yeah i was not expecting to be moved by a random clip from lifetime- absolutely no wonder that she doesn't have good associations with acting, like the foundational method she had was to cause herself pain
@@thomasstone3480 Exactly, associating a thing or activity with negative feelings or stimuli will make the person avoid it or stop doing it as soon as possible if it can't be avoided.
As a kid who learned acting as a form of survival, yeah, there are a lot of things kids can’t lie about and “wow that’s so good” isn’t exactly what they need to hear. It’s more like “holy shit are you okay” Hearing from the people you lie to, “you’re a terrible liar :)” when they haven’t caught you out once is surreal. Like I am so powerful but at what cost. Bro I was not supposed to be a goated liar i was twelve year old
She specifically talks about how she acted like that in her book, would highly recommend. It was acting (and her speciality if I remember correctly) but no not good for her at all.
The blooper episode celebrating their oldest main cast member's long career is actually kinda sweet. Older actors (especially actresses) tend to lose a lot of prestige, so having her be the one that the kids are most excited to see for her long and successful career is cool.
I found it kind of odd that Quinton made fun of that because it felt like a genuine appreciation of older sitcom work. There's a lot in that episode that really, really sucks in hindsight but that bit seems cute.
I really hope her life ever since the end of what's chronicled in the book has been so boring and peaceful. She has had more drama than any human being should have in a whole lifetime already.
Sadly, known from experiences my best friend had and has, as soon as she has peace and time to heal it will get get much harder as healing is painful and she is no longer in survival mode. I hope she now has a support system and takes whatever help/ therapy she needs ♥️
@@JH-cn1un She is/was definitely in therapy she discusses it in the book. They were focused on her eating disorder obviously but they did work on unpacking ... Everything else.
Having read her book, she HAS made a ton of progress with her health since her Nickelodeon days. I’m obviously not privy to more details, but based on what she wrote, she has a much healthier relationship with food and is doing work she actually feels good about.
Miranda promising that her and Jennette would be paid the same salary... while the rumor was that Sam and Cat ended because of a salary difference... oh my poor heart I'm crying
I thought that part of the book was implying that both girls knew Jennette was paid less than Miranda during iCarly but couldn't do anything about that honestly... didn't make that connection till now
@@chirstinasilver7274it’s sad she was even trying to promise her friend that when she was a child as well. The things these literal children had to worry about and go through in that industry makes me sick.
This may sound kinda mean towards Ari, but after learning about everything Jennette McCurdy’s gone through, the final episode of Sam and Cat (even if it wasn’t intended to be the finale) is actually wonderful Sam getting her moment in the sun away from Cat, getting to live in a nice apartment with a maternal figure who seems to genially care about her, and who makes her home cooked meals, does acts of service for her, and helps bail her out of trouble is actually really really nice
For real... I imagine a less horrible show could've pulled something heartwarming out of that dynamic. Like, Sam obviously has deep rooted issues with maternal figures and in general can't really manage her own life. As a kid, I also always assumed her food addiction stemmed from the food insecurity she suffered throughout her childhood. Now just imagine how a nicer show with non-asshole writers would've handled the premise of this episode: Cat is out of town, and a distrusting Sam learns to live with Nonna. She's sceptic initially but quickly learns to trust her, as Nonna teaches her how A LOVING, RESPONSIBLE ADULT SHOULD TREAT HER. So much so, that when Cat calls because she needs help getting out of jail or whatever, Sam lies to Nonna to keep her to herself. Of course she can't keep the lie up for very long, and when Nonna scolds her for lying about Cat BEING IN JAIL, Sam breaks down crying. She confides that she's never felt as safe and loved as she did in the last few days with Nonna. She's scared Nonna won't care for her anymore once Cat is back, because Nonna is Cats grandma, not Sams. Nonna hugs her and assures her she'll always be there for Sam, whether they live together or not. *audience awwwws* "But we'll still need to bust Cat out of jail first." *audience laughs* So they bust Cat out of jail or something, and Cat is surprised how well Sam and Nonna get along. ("I thought you hated Nonna!" "well, that was before I learned about her secret pasta recipe." *audience laughs*) In episodes from then on, we sometimes see Sam and Nonna hanging out. Like, exposition shot of them standing in the living room and Nonna teaching Sam how to use a washing machine or something like that. Can you imagine how heartwarming it would've been to write a show like that? It still would've been cheesy and stupid, but at least it would've been wholesome instead of hateful and bitter. It took me like 5 minutes to think of this plot. Why tf didn't the writers put any effort in?
I really hope people don't treat Ariana bad over this, though. I mean, she didn't know what she was doing, she was just excited for all these big crazy opportunities she was getting and wanted to share her fun stories with her coworkers. I genuinely don't think she even realized just how much she was throwing Jennet's own legitimate insecurities back at her and how that made her feel.
@@thevibewitch7414 Yeah, that's the whole thing, right? For a good story that cares about its characters, that situation is the big starting point of the plot that acts as the inciting incident for an emotional character episode. For Sam and Cat, it's just a really weird joke they end the series on because the writers think being apathetically shitty is peak comedy and not a moment of genuine character assassination.
@@dracocrusher I like how Quinton put it. It's not a crime to dislike someone, and it's not a crime to be disliked. Janette and Ariana's lives were going in opposite directions, anyone in that situation would be upset.
listening to jenette's crying on command is probably the hardest part of this video thus far. it's so genuine, and that's not because she was a good actress, it's because she was so distressed in the moment.
It's like... not to diss her talent as an actress, but in those moments you really do have to take a step back and realize SHE'S NOT ACTING. I mean, technically she is, but these are real emotions coming out that were being bottled up and it's all for the purpose of her being exploited for people around her. She's NOT acting, this is just how she feels in this fucked up situation basically ALL THE TIME, and it only gets worse from there!
Have you read her book? (sorry if this is covered later in the video) One of the larger reasons she got gigs in acting when she was younger was supposedly because she could cry on cue. She'd think of sad things happening to her family members to make herself cry. Crying on cue was like a golden goose for child actors.
@@Tw0Dotsthe revival was kind of bad tbh, nobody talked about it until Freddie and Carly got together 💀💀 Season 2 went completely under the radar. I’d rather forget about it.
Sometimes the internet works in beautiful ways. Sometimes, a man complains about the wiki for a children's sitcom slacking in its coverage of a minor character and the wiki produces a page on that character seemingly overnight.
@@wonderstorms4030is because Quinton is on the same level of him? How does someone post an hours long video of a children’s show and not get accused of something?
@@Daftanemone??? What the fuck are you talking about? He’s doing analysis of an entire show, and talking about supplementary material. Have you been looking at the thumbnail and video length and that’s it?
It is so funny to think Miranda was cursing at age 14 a lot she always seemed so innocent as Carly but glad she was nice to Jennette that’s very fitting in character
Lol I couldn't help but think of that one interview clip where she said "I actually do cuss a little," and that her favorite word was "probably Fuck lmao,"
Its easier to imagine her cursing if you look back on her days on Drake and Josh. Definitely something Megan would do lol. Never something Carly would do, but Megan? Yeah
So, there was an episode of Sesame Street in 1985 where the adults were finally able to see the character Mr. Snuffleupagus, he had originally been an imaginary friend of sorts, the adults couldn’t see him and Big Bird would blame him for things Mr. Snuffleupagus would actually do and the adults wouldn’t believe Big Bird. The reasoning for finally letting the adults see him was partly due to a series of high profile stories about pedophila covered on 60 minutes. A main theme among those stories was fear the children held of adults in charge not believing their stories of abuse. The Crew understood the responsibility they had to children and their safety and how their show feeds into that they knew they were an example. So they made Mr. Snuffleupagus visible, and had all of the adult neighbors of Sesame Street apologize for not believing Big Bird and promise to always take him seriously. I know that Sesame Street is a preschool age show, but I can’t help but feel very strongly that philosophies like that need to be brought into all content for developing minds. The fact that body checks, a commonly used form of molestation and robbing a child of agency, was used as a joke. Themes of pure child abuse being showcased to an audience of children as a silly joke “aha it’s so funny that Freddy’s mom ignores his bodily autonomy and molests him 2 times a week, that’s so weird ahaha” that’s beyond a CPS call. I just feel like Nickelodeon has a responsibility to children, just like Sesame Street knows they have, and they completely fail children by including things like this, whether they are funny to the child at the time or not.
Point of order: Snuffy wasn’t imaginary. He was just shy and always ran away before the adults could see him. The only reason they finally got to see him was Elmo held his trunk so he couldn’t run away.
What’s even more disturbing is if you’ve read I’m Glad My Mom Died, you know none other then Jannette herself actually suffered that exact abuse from her own mother. They were making light of an abuse that one of their main cast members was actually enduring. Given all the other traumatic shit she was going through that the writers turned into gags, it’s entirely possible they knew and did it on purpose. Disgusting.
I don't know how she made it through everything. I don't know what I would do, but I feel like my psyche would fracture. On some level I know you get used to situations, but it was too much and too frequent. She's remarkably strong to have gotten through it. I'm glad she's able to tell these stories, because things have to change when it comes to raising children. Parents get away with too much, and so do production studios. Like Jeanette's grand father mentioned, she deserved time to actually be a kid.
@@DemonLordSparda "I feel like my psyche would fracture" is exactly what it feels like. When my parents did similar things to me, it felt like my brain was breaking in half and I was going insane.
The Schneider's Bakery namedrop after avoiding saying his name all throughout the whole series was so, so good. Masterful display of holding back for the greatest effect.
Noah Munck having a negative relationship with the icarly franchise is the least surprising thing ever. I mean idk if my self esteem could handle being a bit character where part of the joke was my appearance
I had friends who went to high school with him. By their account he was a really nice and cool guy but would flip if you called him Gibby or treated him like the character. Not really surprising at all even back then. I never got a chance to hang out with him though.
I think about stuff like this literally all the time. What does it feel like to be the actor for a character who's meant to be gross or ugly or fat or whatever. I can't imagine what that feels like for an adult, much less a child who has to deal with the fact that real people he knows in real life have seen him be made fun of for being a fat shirtless kid on TV
The fact that Jenette is so damn natural in playing and traumatized kids should be ringing alarm bells on day one. She was a literal child and her mom bombards her with faux and real trauma just to vicariously live her dreams through her is disgusting. Also yea Debra is a massive reason why Jenette couldnt get roles early on. Directors actually do watch out for overly controlling stage parents when trying to get child actors. Because reasonably, you dont want to deal with so many damn stressful and entitled people while shooting.
@@NotEmiliaNatsuki , yeah, you're right---people may have noticed or suspected, but it was in their interest to look the other way or dismiss it and keep chugging full steam ahead. One wonders how many people in the industry also become desensitized to these kinds of red flags over time because they get exposed to so many wacky stage parents.
Dan Schneider using the Victorious cast as an example as to why underage drinking is cool is especially jarring when you know that Avan Jogia was struggling with alcoholism during the filming of Victorious.
Right? This was the first time I’d seen them all (apart from her part on Malcom in the Middle, edit to add: she also had a part in an episode of the show Medium which was actually the first thing I ever saw her in and I didn’t know it was her at the time, and realising it years later, it blew my mind) and I got chills. I just wanna hug that poor girl.
I just got to those parts and had finished my makeup right before it. Now I am sobbing. I did not listen to Quentin about thinking about when to watch this part.
Same. Makes it worse that people thought she was acting. SHE WASN'T that was real, those emotions are how Jeanette really felt around her mother growing up.
the part where you’re saying everyone who’s ever given her a nickname has had a negative impact on her life, followed by tacking on “and you call her sam” is so… absolutely well delivered. I can’t even like, articulate how much that hit in that moment.
So Jennette McCurdy came to my university to promote her book and the event sold out instantly. However, only like 10 percent of the audience even read the book, so it was 4 hours of Jennette trying to not break down in front of her adoring fans, not knowing their questions were about the most traumatic moments in her life.
That's terrible, but if the event was to promote her book, wouldn't most of the audience not having read her book make sense? Especially as I imagine the event happened soon after the release. University students might not have had the time.
@@MythrilShotgundefinitely, but that doesn’t mean it hurt any less to have a book which you’re actively promoting at that moment being about that time being literal hell and all the questions being about that time as if it was great. no one at fault but still an awful situation
The moment I heard the part about Jennette "hearing the Holy Ghost" feeling like she had to do random things a certain number of times, I instantly caught that it was OCD. I've struggled most of my life with it, and a significant portion of it has involved spiritual OCD, despite the fact that I became nonspiritual right before it started. It seems so silly, but it ruins lives.
@@kaynablue took me until like 6th grade to clock that having panic attacks over minutae in my set schedule wasn't normal i thought *everyone* had panic attacks about hypothetically forgetting something lmao
Your tangent about Goomer is so refreshing. I had already outgrown Nickelodeon shows by this point but I did see some bits because I have younger siblings, and something that really irks me is that the Nickelodeon formula, especially in the last decade, has been a cast of mean-spirited egotistical characters that constantly scream at each other and a comic relief character that is a caricature of disabled people for the main cast to bully which they shrug off as being fine because they're "friends". I'm autistic but was only diagnosed recently and I vividly remember being treated that sort of way by my "friends" in school, but I didn't realise how poorly they were treating me until they pushed it too far for me to make excuses for. Goomer is such a sweet, empathetic character who deserved to be treated like a friend by the other cast instead of being used, made fun of and gaslit.
Someone mentioned that it’s a ripple effect of the whole “KIDS RULE, ADULTS SUCK” mentality that Nick pushed back then and as a result they - on complete accident - created Goomer to be the Crazy Steve, the Lewbert, the punching bag before seeing that everyone liked him too much and overcorrected.
The Creator's pattern of these neurodivergent-coded side characters who are played for the joke of being "weird" to the derision of the main characters isn't going unnoticed on my part either.
Something I'm realizing now: Jennette confirms the original pitch for her show was Sam counseling/mentoring kids/tweens. Then, Ariana was bundled up and it morphed to the show we know. However, Gibby's pilot had him becoming the leader/mentor to a group of kids/tweens. Did The Creator/Nick slapped Gibby's name onto "Just Puckett" and adjusted the script? They already had the script ready but, when the show changed, they didn't want to throw it away so they got a new lead and changed to better fit the new lead
@@averyemlIn the video, the premise of the original show is only mentioned once. My guess is that Jennette never really goes into more detail about it. Had that been the case, I'm sure Quinton would have looked more into it. However, since this is only mentioned as part of Jennette's list of ways she's been mistreated at Nick, it gets lost in the bigger picture. "Just Pucket" potentially being turned into "Gibby" doesn't really affect the story being told. We already knew she was promised her own show and then got the rug pulled from under her feet. This potential fact says more about the Gibby Pilot
It's also possible that the executives didn't think kids would enjoy a show focused on a school counselor, but a widely recognizable sitcom funny guy mentoring a bunch of 12 year olds might be a hit.
It’s interesting to me that she was taken away from the role of a teen counselor where through the script alone could have come to realize the truth of her abuse
man watching jenette's more intense acting scenes as a child made me start crying, its honestly kind of scary how no one on set asked if something was wrong, especially if she looked sad literally all the time
And that is what makes me feel extremely uneasy about kids on TV nowadays. Like, every single time I hear anyone praise a child actor for a powerful performance, I think to myself where do these emotions come from? Can there EVER be a child actor who is a happy kid? And even if it's 50-50, why are we allowing this to happen at all?
@@melanie_kay_6014 Honestly, at this point, I just don't think having kids on TV is worth it. I don't care if the movie is good. I don't care if the show is funny. I just don't think that it's safe to put kids in the entertainment industry like this. Jeanette's case is tragic, but it's far from exclusive; think of all the child stars who later came out and gave similar stories, or who clearly showed signs of being abused or exploited in the past. And these are only the people who speak up. Think of how many kids are in entertainment; think of how many kids are in similar hells. Even if they have good parents and are genuinely passionate about acting, they should be in a theatre class performing a cheesy rendition of 'Grease', not on a production set where they're at the mercy of hundreds of adults who have power over them. I always felt uneasy about it, but especially after analyzing all the shit the Nickelodeon kids went through, I just can't feel like it's justified anymore. Like you said; why are we allowing this to happen at all? We have plenty of stories we can tell that don't involve having a kid on set being exploited and abused. Hell, people have been getting adults to play teens forever, and adults voice kids in animations 90% of the time. We don't need to actually put real kids in danger. The entertainment industry is just so inherently dangerous to kids, and my heart goes out to all of them. Sorry, this is super rambly, but the video already had me emotional, and your comment just made me want to write a bit lol. All this to say I completely agree with you haha
I'm almost sure in the book Jennette says that every now and again people would question why she looked so sad, but she would say everything was fine because she didn't know at that point that anything was wrong.
Jennette’s story is horrifying…the only consolation is that she is finally in a much better place now, and she’s finally getting to write, which is clearly her favorite creative outlet. I’m genuinely and a little selfishly really excited about her next book
She's basically giving him the Lord Voldemort treatment,she is not calling him by name but by his occupation as way to express her feelings about him( which are not very positive).He is essentially 'He who shall not be named'.
@@marychouvarda6875 it's likely so she wouldn't get sued on the grounds of "slander", but most people who pick up the book know who she's talking about whenever The Creator is brought up
@@marychouvarda6875 it's okay, I thought of that conclusion because they tried to give Jennette a ton of cash just to not talk about it, so who's to say they wouldn't go after a former child actress for exposing The Creator in her bestselling book. As to why they would more specifically go to Jennette as opposed to the dozens of UA-camrs who covered Dan Schneider is because one is covering speculations from findings online, while the other would have a first hand account. I'm glad that the Quiet on Set documentary is out now, so more eyes are on Dan and other creepers who work on kids media
Sam loving having Nona as her roommate is actually sad when we rememmber what her mother was like in iCarly. She never had this positive maternal figure to watch over her or cook homemade meals. I see that finale as a happy ending.
I agree! It seems framed as Sam being selfish for enjoying it but knowing the full story it just sounds like a story of a poor girl being shown unconditional love and basic dignity for the first time in her life
I agree, I was surprised Quinton said it was a terrible finale because it was probably the closest thing to a happy ending Sam could get in a show as cynical as Sam and Cat. And Cat going to jail is a bummer but serves as a sort of ironic flip. Cat ends up in prison where Sam used to be while Sam gets a chance to be raised by Cat's caretaker.
I think the “Did you guys hear that they’re making a Five Nights and Freddy’s movie?” joke is actually better since the video came out after the movie. If Quinton hadn’t talked about the dated references being a result of the video coming out later than intended I wouldn’t have thought twice about it. It being outdated and just coming out of nowhere the way it did is very funny
honestly, dedication to finish such a long thing makes this joke so ironic, because that movie was also in the works for very long, almost like the pun is doubled
I saw Jennette at Disneyland I didn't ask her for a picture or anything but I rode next to her on the tram you ride into the park from the parkinglot and when I said hi to her I could physically see her cringe thinking I was going to call her Sam but I didn't mention her fame I acted like I didn't know who she was and was just making small talk and she was really really sweet talking about how she wanted to be a writer and she was really excited about it. I think she was with Steven but I can't be sure
this is the best way to interact with celebrities. recognizing we know their entertainment ventures but nothing about them as people means they ARE strangers, even if they're also Sam from iCarly and Janette from my television. :) love this
re: crying on cue. it might be different for film, but in my experience as a theatre actor I’ve ALWAYS been told that “think of a really sad thing” is a terrible strategy - even if it works for you initially (because it doesn’t work for everyone), it just isn’t sustainable physically or mentally. naturally crying while performing because the emotion of it all gets overwhelming is one thing (and, while it’s less common than you’d think, it happens with plenty of actors), but actively making yourself think of the most terrible things imaginable for days, weeks, even months on end is just plain torturing yourself. while tears aren’t even remotely the end all be all of acting, any coach worth shit will teach you how to trigger them via physical tricks, like silent yawns and such. I can’t even begin to imagine how awful it must’ve been using that “strategy” so consistently, *let alone* using it as a small child
I was taught the same thing growing up in the theater. Nobody ever taught me a trick, but I got real good at SOUNDING like I'm crying, and from the audience who can tell the difference? Probably wouldn't work for camera, but just get a tear stick for the poor kid! I was once in a youth theater production of West Side Story where our Anita would cry every night during the scene where she's attacked by the Jets in Doc's bar. Her friends in the cast would be waiting in the wings to hug her as soon as she came off stage every night.
@@missybarbour6885 same here, I absolutely cannot cry on cue even with the physical tricks but it really truly does not matter for the stage. honestly, I’ve never seen why crying was viewed as such a huge thing in acting anyway - I get the visual langauge of it, yes, but not everyone cries and a scene without tears can be just as devastating as one with I think you’re very right about the sense of immediate camaraderie in live theatre as well. when I did *into the woods* my big sad song was directly after the witch’s and we would briefly hug backstage during the scene change. that show’s second act is pretty devastating for everyone involved, so it was really necessary for everyone backstage to be there supporting one another
@@TimmyTheTinman from the Oxford dictionary: A disordered psychic or behavioral state resulting from severe mental or emotional stress or physical injury. Or an emotional upset
1:11:40 the “Who is Gibby?” Joke is genuinely so funny because you know all those actors get questions like that all the time. Jeanette was using her real irritation to deliver that line 😂
I think the part that had the most impact on me was the fact that someone didn't want Jennette to direct an episode of Sam and Cat. That just made me so so so DAMN angry. Like, WHY?? Did they feel threatened by her? And if it wasn't Dan Schneider, who threatened to quit that was so important?? Those creeps all stuck together to protect themselves, and Jennette was their scapegoat!
I wouldn't be surprised if it even came down to a money or pride thing? It looks like in general about four different men directed Sam & Cat. I assume if Jennette did one, that means one episode less salary (And residuals?) for the man that would have directed it.
Fred: The Show has a poor reputation exclusively with people who have never watched it and thus don't realize that it secretly has all the elements of a cult classic.
I agree. I mean this classic series has a line like "Im gonna get that cake, Fred". This show was obvioudly too genius for people with a normal brain to comprehend but only the few people with ADVANCED brains can understand the true amazingness of this show and its deep lore.
8:34:38 I also think what’s important to add is Jenette even reflects on her resentment towards Ariana and how that resentment doesn’t actually have anything to do with her as a person. I think both of these women know this and I think years later they both have an understanding of the situation.
Agreed. If I was in Ariana's position and read what Jenette wrote, I'd think, "This isn't about me", at least not completely. It sounds like Ariana did little to nothing to Jenette personally. I have no confirmation, but I highly doubt Ariana was the one who ruined Jenette's chance at directing. But when someone is killing it at life, getting everything they want, and you're getting screwed? Yeah, I think most of us would be resentful in that situation. I mean, who wouldn't want to hang out with Tom Hanks?
"Everyone who calls Jennette a nickname has a negative effect on her life... and *you* call her Sam!" I must love being called out like that because I see how true it really is.
This was the bit more than any that really hit me hard (I had already read her book and while it is still a gut punch I knew what was coming). Like, I never fangirled over iCarly the way the people screaming at her about butter socks in public did so when I was reading the book I was able to mentally go “that wasn’t me, I’m better” but I for sure called her Sam my whole childhood despite knowing her full actual name
The part of the biography where Jeanette is just at the absolute lowest point possibly in her entire life and her boyfriend comes in and goes "SO I WATCHED GOD'S NOT DEAD AND-" is so comedically dark you'd think this woman's life was written by fucking Kafka.
I want to add an aside to this and say that I feel so legitimately bad for Steven. Living with undiagnosed schizophrenia has to have been a nightmare all of its own, and the fact that after his treatment he decided he would rather be a vegetable than conscious and aware of his own existence is a tragedy I've seen in multiple friends of my own who struggled with mental illness. It retroactively makes both my comment and certain passages in the book kind of uncomfortable to read through because it feels like it treats his illness like a punchline. I hope he got help like Jennette did. I truly hope he's okay.
Props to Jennette for being healthy and putting herself first today. I hope she continues to do so and never compromises her needs/wants for anyone ever again
3:06:43 the “math club” sign with the “a” written in just messy enough handwriting to pass as an “e” at first glance in the background of this scene really elevates the meth joke
my best friend works at barnes and noble and she's told me about how she saw a little girl and her mom walking past jennette's book. the girl goes "is that sam from icarly?" and the mom goes "yes it is. but it's just a joke, she's not actually glad her mom died." and i heard this story while i was reading the book and i was like. Um. You're both wrong
@@robinkholmes7127I would probably say something like "She called her book that because it was difficult for her because her mom was a really mean person" or something. Kids are smarter than we give them credit for.
@robinkholmes7127 i respectfully strongly disagree. there is no one who would benefit more from hearing stories of survivors of abuse in childhood than children who might be going through abuse; who will recognize what's happening to them and make the connection that it's abuse, who will see their stories represented and realize they're not alone and that it's not normal, and who will hear this story of someone in their same position who got out of it and became a happy stable person despite it. i understand the book goes into very explicit, """adult""" topics, but...this kind of "adult" stuff happens to kids, it's happening to kids right now. to say that, for example, a child who is being sexually abused, right now, living through that in their day to day life, shouldn't read this book because it delves into themes of sexual abuse and that's inappropriate for them to know about, is frankly just insulting. restricting the types of media kids have access to is just another method of isolation to further abuse. just like quinton described when he talked about homeschooling; if an abused kid meets other kids, they might realize something's wrong about their own life. if an abused kid reads this book, they might, too. sorry for the long reply i just have. very strong feelings about this.
Echoing Quinton here, even if you watched the spoilers bit and are wondering if it's still worthwhile to read the book, it is. Quinton didn't at all diminish the way that Jeanette's writing gives you such a hard and immediate punch, both in just her reflections and descriptions, and in the batshit insane stuff she's sat through. It's worth the read: a hard read for sure, but she's really an incredible writer.
Listened to the audiobook and found Jennette McCurdy's narrations and voices very helpful when it came to immersing myself in her story and feeling her pain.
@@robinkholmes7127 The audiobook is heartbreaking, you can hear Jeanette struggling to read sometimes because she's overwhelmed by emotion, it's gut wrenching and immensely adds to an already fantastic book
In summer of 2022, I watched Sam and Cat with my brother in order to prepare for the videos. At 4:49:14 when Sam says she is not allowed in Europe, my brother pointed out that she could never visit Carly in Italy. That broke my heart a little bit.
I wouldn't worry too much, she already has a forged Mexican ID and she's illegally dropped into a country already. I'm sure she would find a way to visit Carly :)
Hot take, I actually kind of love Goomer as a representation of intellectual and developmental disability. Goomer is extremely charismatic, kind, funny, and has a job, friends, independence, and an all around fulfilling life. I think we are laughing with Goomer, someone who is aware of his disability, but has friends who love him for his charming personality and many unique strengths and knowledge that makes Goomer Goomer. He does not have to have traditional smarts or social skills to be a valuable friend to our main cast, and nearly anyone he meets. When Goomer sleeps over with Sam and Cat, Cat is immediately goes to comfort a now semi-verbal Goomer. She talks him through his feelings, and helps him find coping skills to handle a very real feeling of abandonment a lot of people with IDD (Or anyone) can feel when loved ones are far away, or they feel abandoned. Goomer’s most positive traits remind me of all my favorite things about a lot of the people I have known with IDD. I think they would defiantly mess up a acknowledged portrayal of IDD, but when provided as subtext, it feels like the show is telling you that that person who has all these nurodiverse traits as a valuable member of this group, to the point he is called a main character,I feel like it tells kids to actually get to know that “weird” kid in their class. This idea that multiple types of inelegance can work together to pull off impossible things is refreshingly positive for this universe.
And while the ending of the episode with his mom isn’t great in this context, I think its close to something meaningful. In the end, despite all of his mom’s doubts and fears that Goomer would get hurt in fighting, or couldn’t handle living far from home without her are proven wrong as Goomer shows himself to be a strong and independent adult. Just a little bit of tweaking, and it matches a real struggle a lot of families with IDD children have. In this framing, his mom is aware of his diagnosises, and probably spent a lot of her time helping him as he grew up, likely thinking he would never grow to be independent. Then she finds him, across the country having made a life for himself, and surrounded by people who love him just as he is. She can focus on herself again, knowing her little boy really is all grown up.
I love the fact that in between the three months from the last vid, the infamous Gibby pilot got leaked, and yes, it’s just as insanely disturbing and bizarre as Quinton recreation of it, makes you definitely see why it didn’t get picked up.
@@raicrushgoing to do the same thing bc somehow I missed the news of the leak Edit) oh yeah *those* jokes are way worse when not ironically read out with puppets that ending scene is so strange. I see why Nick killed it
That last bit was truly rough, but it makes me so unbelievably happy to hear that Miranda was Jennette's friend for a long while. She even went with her to find her biological dad. Sure, they might've drifted apart, but goodbyes are natural. They suck, but this one happened healthily, and Miranda gave her support when she really needed it. I come away thinking that if either of them ever reached out, they could pick back up where they left off. And if not, they'll still always think fondly of each other. I feel like that's very rare for friendships in Hollywood.
I distinctly remember from a book review channel that the book literally begins and ends with Janette getting gifts on her birthday. The first scene is about how she got a gift from her mom as a kid that she had to pretend to like and the last scene is getting a gift from Miranda that she genuinely enjoyed. It was a nice way to show how much her life has changed and how she made a friendship she cherishes even from what was in hindsight a terrible time in her life.
I like to imagine that Goomer got into the supervillain henchman job specifically because of his prior experience working for Sam and Cat. In the industries related to causing mischief and mayhem, people were jumping to hire someone with that kind of prior experience in the field.
"You mean to tell me you worked for Cat Valentine for how long?? And you didn't get driven insane?! Wow, you must be able to put up with anything! You're hired, Goomer!"
@@scarlettNETyou know the funny part Frankie is supposed to be Cat's crazy brother right ? Imagine he considered Cat to be the insane sibling. He probably gave Goomer a hug over to deal with Cat and her friends decided to hire him.
I kind of actually love the relationship with Goomer and Frankini. They’re endearing and cute together on the Danger shows. Quinton was not joking when he said that Sam and Cat squandered Goomer. This headcanon only adds to that. I’m glad Frankini can appreciate the mischief skill of Goomer as his boss where Sam and Cat failed to
Also i went on tumblr to search up the supposed goomer fandom that Quinton mentions and was knocked out by a post actually tagged with GIEUX MERR, wherein the user posits that we all would want to fuck goomer
I think a good theory for the Goomer situation is that, in the last episode we see him he's working as the bodyguard of a celebrity right? We know that Frankini is a famous influencer so maybe, after all the Del DeVil thing happened, Goomer ended up feeling awful for doing a bad job with the singer, and Cat (possibly in an effort to make him stop being sadr) tells him he could get another chance at the job with her brother, who just so happens to be looking for a bodyguard/lackey. Goomer accepts, the two meet, fall in love and become partners in crime, having a brief moment of doubt where Goomer tries to make Frankini jealous but eventually coming back together to keep at it.
The Sam and Cat episode is obviously a direct Silence of the Lambs, so that means that the scene where Nora kidnaps Dice in the car and can’t put her kayak in it is inspired by how Ted Bundy kidnapped and murdered his victims. Sam and Cat made an indirect Ted Bundy reference.
doll collector here!- the dolls shown before the Fresno Girl Doll episode were all American Girl dolls but the ones shown in the episode all seem to me like Our Generation dolls. I assume the other times they needed a doll they literally used someone from the production's kid's doll and when they needed to fill an entire room of them it was much more affordable to buy $30 OG dolls vs $115 AG dolls. So as a doll nerd the whole joke about them being so expensive made me turn into Quinton when there was no Jesse Pinkman bitch joke edit: The wheelchair is also from Our Generation as its a more hot pink color than the American Girl ones I could find. It's hard to tell but the handlebars on the side match the Our Generation one and don't have pink accents like the American Girl one. The doll hospital is real but they never give you a wheelchair when they send you back the doll and its something you buy separately. You can pay extra for your doll to come with a get well soon balloon. (sorry for the useless information brain dump)
That’s what I figured! AG dolls have such a specific mold, though I’m not as well versed in the OG line so I wondered if they were some kind of knock off or not. Love seeing doll nerds though
Howdy fellow doll nerds, I was hoping I'd find a comment from one of us down here explaining the doll details because I know absolutely nothing about AG outside of the photos other doll people post online
Fellow doll collector here, I'll be honest I don't know much about American Girl dolls or Our Generation dolls cause I prefer collecting dolls that look more alternative, spooky, more to my other niches (monster high, begoth, living dead, etc) but now you got me curious how to identify the two and now I'm going into thinking of going another deep dive after this video about the two dolls 😂
@@Alexenarain That’s honestly what got me into collecting myself. I watched one video talking about a very valuable doll I slowly realized was my childhood doll and it sent me down an entire rabbit hole
My interpretation of Neville's dinner with Gibby is that in the mental institution he realized that he was a severely repressed homosexual and was just really thirsting for the Gibster.
I haven't seen a comment about it, so I wanna say that the inclusion of Mitch as a character to get away with Aaron Paul quotes is genuinely incredible. Edit: Here's a timestamp 16:33
Fun fact for the comment section: apparently Zoran Korach really is his name (Goomer’s actor). He’s of Serbian descent and he speaks Serbo-Croatian. He plays a lot of Eastern European characters. My guy has played someone named Vladimir/Vlad on like three separate occasions.
I can totally see the start of his career being the "intimidating bouncer" character. I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually in Swindle as one of the body guards.
Seeing the difference between the Victorious cast talking about Victorious, and the Sam and Cat cast talking about Sam and Cat is really sad. The Victorious cast all seem excited to have gotten to be a part of the show, and what the show meant to its fans. They also talk about the opportunities that show gave them. Both Jenette and Cameron Ocasio want to actively separate themselves from the show.
@@LittleMissLounge Avan Jogia. aka Beck. As i recall, he said he BARELY remembers the show as he was hungover for A LOT of the scenes. hmmm i wonder why and from who….
@@omarslayz Yeah I remember that too now. Maybe I spoke too soon. The main difference between the shows seems to be that Victorious opened up a lot of opportunities for the cast, and Sam and Cat didn't.
@@omarslayz I mean the book itself states that the Victorious cast were allowed to drink (quinton even played that portion of the audiobook), so I think it's pretty clear what the cause of some of those hangovers were. Whether or not Jogia was dealing with alcohol problems prior to the show, isn't something I can say for certain, but I'd definitely bet that the show exacerbated those issues, if that were the case.
"Fred: The Show" has a poor reputation exclusively with those who haven't watched it, and thus don't understand that it secretly has all of the qualities of a cult classic.
The absolute whiplash I got from Debra disowning Jennette over email for having a boyfriend, then telling Jennette that she is a disgusting person and that Jennette is apparently the cause of her cancer returning, then ending the email with a PS asking her to send money to buy a new refrigerator stunned me months ago when I read the book, and it still does now. Like, the audacity to ask your child, who is a fully independent adult at that stage, has been the breadwinner of your household for well over a decade, and is on holiday in Hawaii, to buy you an expensive appliance like that right after you disown her? It's not even the worst thing Debra did, and it just baffles me beyond words.
It seems obvious that Deborah simply didn't view anyone else as being a _person._ Jennette was nothing more than an RPG character that Deborah owned, in her mind, and thus she had no obligation to treat her with the slightest respect. Things like the cancer tape and Deborah forcing Jennette to live out her own childish fantasies hammer home that Deborah had no capacity to love anyone or anything aside from herself. The closest she could get was attempting to psychically crush people into paste and mold them into reflections of herself. The cancer tape, for example, feels like her trying to make them share in her own fear of death and then ritually reaffirm their love for her. That was the only utility her children had to her, until Jennette turned out to be 'useful' as a self-insert. Even the molestation has an additional layer of repulsiveness, in that light - it evokes Narcissus' self-infatuation through how completely Deborah viewed her daughter as a replica of herself.
@@dand1253 she was trully the most narcisistic person I heard of, it's textbook narcisim and antisocial personality, I wonder how many more people like her are out there, incapable of feeling real emotions and destroying other people's lives
A really understated series of moments in Jenettes autobiography is the brief moments of her dad that get focus. Like, as someone who had a very fond of relationship with his dad before he passed, the moment he didnt take Jenette to acting class felt so warm. Like, a dad, clearly in a loveless marriage just trying to provide some normalcy for even a brief moment. And the revelation at the end when she learns he's not her biological father only helps strengthen my belief that in some way, he was afraid of what Debra might do if left alone with the kids so he stuck around. Not to say his self martyrdom is braver than Jenette enduring years of abuse, but those brief sweet moments between Jenette and her father are lights in the darkness of those early chapters.
I dunno. Abusers need enablers; adults who see the abuse, know it's wrong... and don't do anything about it. I read that moment as sweet, sure, but the millions of moments where he stands by and doesn't care to notice his daughter is dangerously underweight, that she isn't eating; all the yelling and hoarding and abuse kind of drowns out that one sappy moment. Maybe he was afraid. But he was an adult and he had some amount of power and resources. Jeanette had nothing. He made the choice not to rock the boat and stand up for her, and she had no power to make a different choice. He decided that between taking a risk and letting a child who thought he was her father be abused, he'd rather not take the risk; and, as she was a child, he took that choice away from her too. Exactly how responsible he is for her abuse doesn't have an objective answer, but it's for sure at least a double digit %. Narcissists marry enablers and the trauma comes from them both.
I wouldn’t be so quick to congratulate him for that. Even though it was sweet, he absolutely needed to do way more. They actually aren’t close in real life anymore since her mother’s death and I completely understand.
Whenever I tell people I’m a big Quinton Reviews fan they always say things like “Jesus how can you sit through an 8 hour Victorious video” or “how do you have the attention span for a 9+ hour video,” and the answer is simply that Quinton makes the entire video engaging. I was so gripped by this entire video that I truly could not put it down. Every spare minute I have had this week was spent watching this video and I wouldn’t want it any other way. Quinton is an absolute master in his field and I am on the edge of my seat waiting for the next video
I needed to deep clean my apartment and I said huh that’s gonna be a full day of work (been in a big depression slump, things are untidy to say the least) and hey: here’s something to listen to that will keep my mind occupied but won’t interrupt my progress.
im so desensitized to this because i spent my childhood watching 10, 20, 30 hour long videos of video games i liked (or the equivalent by sitting down to watch hundreds of 10, 20, 30+ minute long videos for hours at a time) like idk how people think it’s weird. it’s been my life since i was 10 lol
Same. I watch it in small bursts, usually when I'm eating but I swear it's so hard to go back to whatever I'm actually supposed to be doing because he makes it so entertaining.
tbh, this one was hard to get though cuz Sam and Cat sucks. But everything that felt like it wasn’t him regurgitating Sam and Cat episode plots was really engaging lol. And I kinda had to finish it since I had seen the entire series up until this point, and he kept it interesting. So im sure it would lead to somewhere good and it did.
1 video. 0 complaints about time length. 9 1/2 hours. 1,900,000 views. The math says that you've consumed 2,000 years of viewers life with this single video. That's biblical, powerful, really neat. Great job.
Striking me now how despite being 22 minutes long, so many _Sam and Cat_ episodes have no resolution or conclusion. “Stuck in a Box” ends with Cat still in the box. “Drone Baby Drone” ends with the drones still causing havoc. The finale ends with Cat about to go to jail, and feels like the setup for a second part. Just so weird, maybe indicative of poor pacing.
It also strikes me as entirely whiplash-inducing that Jace Norman & The Dice Kid are old now because it feels like both of those shows lasted for like, a year or two and then got buried eventually but were still running on contract. Like, how is Henry Danger a decade old already?
Anticlimaxes are valid, but you have to be able to pull them off. The problem, really, is that the episodes are just not funny enough. It's like the classic shaggy-dog story. Generally, you have to make people think that everything going on *must* be building towards the resolution of that plot thread, even as the story gets increasingly convoluted. Imagine, instead, a Futurama episode or something. Fry is stuck in a box. Frantic attempts to get him out of the box lead to a convoluted plan that requires something they don't have. Getting that thing leads to another digression. At the end, they dramatically solve the problem... and it's the incredibly trivial third- or fourth-order complication. Cue rejoicing and flying off into the sunset. Cut to Fry, not only still in the box, but the box is about to be devoured by a giant slime alien we've never seen before. End episode. Never mention it again. It all depends on really being able to sell the bait-and-switch, the subversion of an expectation. Sam and Cat couldn't sell snow cones in summertime.
i think they just want to have a B plot without ever actually resolving it. In other (better) shows this would be done as a one off gag, but Sam and Cat uses this bit for every single B plot, so they all essentially end with the same joke
As someone who has read Jennette's book i dont think your presentation of her story does it a disservice at all. Its actually as respectful as you can get and deeply, deeply chilling especially with the interjections of Jennette reading her own story. I do recommend reading the book though, it is beautifully written and so tragic. You really can hear her voice and how it changes as she ages.
I agree so much, he is very respectful of her writing, and makes sure the context is emphasizes more than the facts on their own. I don't even need to read the book to know it is a great one, for reasons that an advertiser would never give, because this is too unique and personal to be taken differently than Jennette's liberation, rather than Jennette's past experiences. I thought I'd buy the book, but at the same time I would feel horrified to have it in hand, like my lack of desire to read anything would also hurt what the book is trying to do. I wouldn't want such a book to stay on my shelf, amidst the tens of books I'd never read. To me, it would be better to let other people have this, live its importance. Bless Jennette McCurdy, I hope we get to see some stories she'd want to tell, related or unrelated.
@@victorfunnyman if you're amicable I'd recommend an audiobook- great to listen to on the way to and from work and that way no unread book on the shelf! Otherwise Quinton's overview is absolutely a sufficient summery.
@@graysonrogers-barnes6302 Yes I remember reading that that's why I said it! But from that one passage and what little BTS stuff I saw I think the was like that for all of his costars
As others have mentioned, Quinton mentions this later in his video and Jennette in her book. It's always struck me that as she broke down, Zoran was the first one to rush to get her out of there while everyone watched. He had the presence of mind to pick her up, carry her out of there, and get her back to a safe place. I am always struck by how beautiful Zoran is, how kind and gentle he seems, and how he took working on a set with those conditions and did his best to help the other actors.
Hearing Jennette's voice: "I am a failure at not eating and I'm a failure at getting rid of what I do eat" sent me into a spiral. This line encapsulates my struggle with myself right now and hearing it brought me into a sense of realization and deep sorrow. Thank you, this book is something I didn't realize I needed.
Unfortunately you might have some disordered eating patterns or hurtful thoughts. Please seek a therapist if you can access one. Don’t worry if you don’t get along with your therapist because it’s very common for people to change therapists a few times before they get the right one. You might be lucky though! Please take your mental health and physical health seriously. You need to eat well, eat enough and eat consistently. Get well soon & best wishes
THANK YOU for telling me to read this book. I have autism and ADHD, I really struggle with paying attention to books. I paused this video at 9:00:00, bought the book, read it cover to cover in one sitting, something I’ve never done in my entire life before. Every word resonated with me and I have never ever related more to any piece of media ever. I am overwhelmed with emotion and I was left stunned and speechless for a solid 15 minutes after the book ended. Thank you so much, Quinton.
I do like how Jennette drops Dan’s name only once in the book and then goes back to “The Creator”. Cause it’s like, I’m sure Dan wants to sue for slander and stuff..but I am also sure he doesn’t want the details of this book read aloud during a trial. It’d be an open and shut case of child endangerment.
I think specifically she calls him "The Creator" any time she's talking about his behavior. I think she only mentions the name Dan Schneider the first time when she's introducing the context that he is the creator and director of the show. I mean I don't think it's a legal defense at all- it's still incredibly obvious throughout the book that she's talking about Dan Schneider, and I think a judge would agree, but it does help with a sense of narrative dignity. She's ascribing this horrific behavior not to a person with a name but a concept, a "Creator" who can't really be felt empathy for.
a big part of slander cases are "is this true?" slander, being a civil offense, doesn't have the same requirement of proof as a criminal case; "reasonable doubt" isn't involved. she'd just have to provide enough evidence that suggests that it's true. also, i think the victim of slander needs to prove that the slander has damaged them (usually financially). i don't know much about "the creator", but wasn't their career already in decline before Jeanette's side of the story came out? it's hard to blame her for sinking a ship that was already sunk before she commented on it.
@@PyrokineticFire1 Yes he was in fact fired from Nickelodeon in 2018 because of the abuse allegations, which was 4 years before her book. Oh I'm sorry. He and Nickelodeon "pArTeD wAyS" :P
quinton is an incomparable video essayist. within 9 and a half hours he got me deeply invested in: -his handpicked episodes of henry danger (insane achievement) -frankini x goomer and when the tonal change happened -getting out my copy of i'm glad my mom died and finding the passages jennette reads/he mentions
The fact that 9 hours into this video you dropped that spoiler warning about Jennette's book, leading me to a SIX AND A HALF HOUR LONG "intermission" (that's how long the audiobook is) before going back here for the final final stretch in this multi-day long retrospective speaks volumes. Also, that book was fascinating. I really feel for Jennette, I could not even begin to imagine what it would feel like to go through what she did. I do hope her life goes better every day.
I did the exact same thing and I am so glad I did. At the start of the section I’d paused and ordered a hardcover copy of the book. At the spoiler warning I went and started the audible free trial to listen to the audiobook. It’s incredible. I will forever be grateful to Quinton for leading me to this book. Oh and the 40 something hours of solid gold content that he produced to get us here
Same here- I just had to pick up the book. I bought both the audio and physical copy- (I really wanted to hear Jennette narrate her story) And my god, I was not ready- but definitely adore and respect her so much more now (won’t see icarly the same ever again…..) Comin back to this video feels great since I now can follow along on what he calls a ‘book club session’. What a fantastic book.
Literally same - I was always planning on reading it and that point was where I finally was like “okay I have to do this now” and I drove to a shop that was open at 10pm and had it in stock
Respect to Mr Korach, he seems like such a caring and kind man. One can only hope that Jennette and Zoran stayed in touch with each other, him helping her during a panic attack, trying to get her to a safer place. He seems like a total angel. You also have handled the section about her with such grace and tact. The book really gives an insight as to what it was like for Jennette to deal with such a cruel mother that just treated her as a meal ticket, how there was so much disregard for her struggles, a mother (or any parent) should step in and help their child, get them the therapy and support they need and also let them discuss how they feel and comfort them if ever they feel sad or worried. Shame that her mother never did that.
I'm sorry but Michael D. Cohen being a trans man and having multiple characters on his main TV show shout in his face that he isn't a woman is the cutest shit I've ever seen in my life.
i really appreciated the part near the end about homeschooling. as a former homeschooled kid myself, as the homeschooling regulations stand (in the US at least), it is without a doubt one of the EASIEST ways to *legally* isolate, manipulate, and abuse your child. the conversation around homeschooling is so drowned out in homeschool mommy bloggers, and hardly anything you'll find about homeschooling will be from people who were homeschooled themselves. amazing video!
This is so true, I'm European and US homeschooling is mindblowing to me. In Europe you have to prove that you can actually teach. You're not allowed to just teach anti-science or whatever you want, you have to teach the national curriculum and you have to do it well. properly. In some European countries its full on illegal too! It seems so isolating and must put some kids significantly behind their peers in terms of education and development.
As someone who went to public school, the only homeschooled kids I knew always had parents pull them out of school due to the kids' friends (many of whom were queer. I was only allowed to still hang out with my now homeschooled friends because I was the "good" "straight" friend. Years later, I found that I was not in fact straight). I never understood why anyone would want to put so much time into homeschooling their kid unless they feared "indoctrination" or "bad influences" (ironic).
Also formerly homeschooled, and it's wild to see and hear this more and more as I get older. It really was so normal to me as a kid because there's nothing to compare the abuse to. I didn't have a single check in for the entire time I was homeschooled and it chills me to think of all the kids that had it worse that had no one checking on on them.
@@stormyrain96 i dont doubt thats part of the reason why we dont hear a lot from former homeschooled kids, so many of us just dont have anything to compare the experience to so we just go “Ok im sooo normal. im gonna go ahead and ignore all of the mental illnesses that i just so happen to have now. [is terrified of speaking to another human being]”. it’s heartbreaking to think about what some homeschooled kids are going through (or have gone through) that they just assume is completely normal and well adjusted behavior. which is part of the reason why every time i hear homeschooling be mentioned i bring up my bad experience and hope and pray theres some homeschooled kid out there that reads it and goes “Hey yeah wait a second. This sucks.”
i always have such mixed feelings about it because homeschooling is awful for so many kids and can completely stunt social and intellectual growth when it's underregulated and done poorly, but at the same time i'm one of the good experiences where i was only homeschooled for two years during middle school, and those years were probably the best of my life to date (i'm 28). as a kid with undiagnosed adhd and secondhand trauma from dealing with the severe emotional issues of my public school friends, being given the chance to just explore what i wanted with minimal standards to meet at the same time that i started therapy was incredible, and i wouldnt have been able to have that if regulations had been more strict, but lack of regulation is also so often so damaging. i dont know what the solution is, but i wish we could find ways to focus more on the needs of the individual child rather than setting arbitrary standards that wont work for everyone while still ensuring physical and emotional safety.
The fact that they wouldn't even let Jennette direct an episode when she's obviously very talented and would probably be a huge asset is frankly embarrassing. This whole thing is embarrassing for Nickelodeon and the industry as a whole. Maybe she'd be bad at it, but it's literally Sam & Cat, a show no one liked working for. The worst that could happen is the episode was sub par, but at best they could get Jennette McCurdy, a very talented actor and writer with years of experience in Nick, as a creative within the company. It's just silly not to do it and goes to show that whatever producer or writer stopped her from switching to being a creative was petty and afraid of being proven to be worse at their job than a child star. Sorry for the rant, this isn't the worst thing that has happened to her but the fact that it was so petty... Plenty of other shows let the lead actors sometimes direct episodes it's not even new!!! It's like a common courtesy you can do as a thank you to the actor that dedicated so long to your show. It's just embarrassing. Whoever it was.
I have to wonder who demanded that Jennette not Direct, Arianna or The Creator? I can't think of a third person who'd want to and could possibly stop her.
@@nopegregggalaI got that vibe too. I know Q tried to be diplomatic about it but when I read it I immediately showed the passage to my friend and she was like “oh that had to be Ari” like I just cannot imagine the studio giving a shit about anyone threatening to quit besides her. They moved the entire show around and fucked over Jennette because of her.
Shannen Doherty directed a handful of episodes of Charmed back in 2001, even though behind the scenes issues ended up getting her fired after that season. Incredibly petty for Jeanette to never get the chance.
Jeannette deserved better. Full stop. I think she's extremely brave for pulling back the wallpaper and showing how fucked up the entertainment industry is, especially with child actors. I think the 2020s should be the decade we re-examine the world of child acting and dispose of the idea of the child star. There will always be a need for young people in media, but we have to remember that these are children first and actors second.
I think Bluey is a good first step. The voice actors for the children aren't credited so they won't be harassed by the media and they're given free reign to either keep voicing the characters or quit; there is no obligation to stay.
Yep, just yes, I think the kids that are actors should be constantly checked by mental health professionals to be sure everything is voluntary and wanted, also to teach them not traumatizing techniques to be sad or scared on command, because they do exist.
Even better: ban child actors entirely. Have underage fictional characters played by adults in both cartoons and live action. Yes it will be weird seeing a 30 year old dressed up and behaving like a 5 year old but it’s better to do that instead of having a minor act.
@@ghagefuoco8373 Not even kidding, it's definitely preferable. Some adult actors can play really young roles and pull them off anyways, many do already. It's just that the concept of a child having a job is something we should try our hardest to do away with as a society, honestly. The fact that we all have the mental image of a stereotypical child star whose life spirals as they get older, specifically because it has happened so many times already, is so fucked up when you think about it.
@@ghagefuoco8373 why cartoons? You don’t see a kid in cartoons and they could always go uncredited like the Bluey example above. Are the conditions bad or something?
i watched the henry danger musical episode while on acid and it might be the best television experience ive ever had. i came away from it believing goomer was an angel
The completely mindfucking amount of hindsight of you, Quinton, sitting through three mostly uncomfortable and mean spirited sitcoms and at the end of this whole saga giving us a peek at what you actually were thinking and the amount of self restraint you had to have not to show your hand too early in those same reviews in order to fully contextualize Jeanette's story and thusly recontextualize iCarly in that light, there's very few times something of the sort pays off with such poise and in this case it pays off in a really sad and horrifying way, I really hope she's living her utmost best life these days.
@@hdjabs1950she’d already spoken up. He didn’t start the series in ignorance. And as powerful as it is, Jeanette’s was just part of the story. Hes got another video and that stuff was also already known
That clip of Jennette playing the character that thinks the toys want to kill her is truly shocking. She performs the role so convincingly that it’s hard to imagine it came any other situation than the abuse she faced at home. I was glad to hear in her podcast that she’s really healthy and seems to be in really good spirits these days carving her own path. I hope that she continues on that path and has all the support and love she needs from those who are close to her. We really can’t take that love & support for granted, it’s not always easy to find it as a child or even as an adult.
- I cannot believe that Quinton has been sitting on a "David Schwimmer drowned" joke for all these years just for Matthew Perry to die that same way. That's genuinely spooky -congrats on getting laser eye surgery, reminds me of classic Quinton withouy the glasses
It's a reference to David Schwimmer drowning on the show "Celebrities Underwater" in an episode of iCarly. He mentions it in one of the iCarly videos he did
Her mom was overly worried about keeping her away from school and "mandatory reporters" because when I was in school my dad would "joke" about beating me with school faculty but then whenever I talked about it with them I got in trouble for "lying" because "I know your parents, they wouldn't do that."
what in the hell that they would or wouldn't, it's not unreasonable to think there should be SOME reason this was even uttered that it is being a kid with very crude humor to possibly being abused, there's not really room to immediately excuse this kind of sentence
@user-qg9nl5ph8v He wasn't even charismatic imo, idk what it was. He didn't even go out of his way to make sure they thought he was joking either. It'd just be like, "He has 3 missing assignments? I'm gonna beat him for that, lol." And my teachers would just be like, "Lol." Like sometimes he was worried about calling someone calling CPS like the neighbors or something, but he seemed to think my school faculty and teachers were just cool with it. I don't think he even knew they assumed he was joking.
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Massive respect to Goomer’s actor Zoran for being the one to get her out of there during the panic attack.
When Quinton got to this part, I yelled, "GOOMER IS THE BEST!"
Goomer's actor is a real one for that, holy shit
Now I love goomer!
I need to get off Twitter cause I immediately read that as "groomer" and I was so fucking confused
He seems like such a cool dude but i'll always think of a DND villain whenever I hear his name.
....a good villain atleast.
Nickelodeon allowing Ariana to miss filming days while forcing Jennette to work right after her MOTHER died is still one of the most infuriating things I have ever read. So not only does Jennette not get the solo show she was promised, but she also has to grin and bear it when her co-star can just blow off work whenever because she's got other projects. And then they have the audacity to try and make her take hush money after throwing her under the bus?
I hope she laughed in their faces when she said no. And I hope her book sales made TRIPLE what they offered.
Apparently it's sold over 2 million copies. From a quick google, a self-published author generally makes between 40-60% royalties and traditionally published authors make between 10%-20%. Looks like hardcover sells for between $20-28, Kindle sells for $15-28, and audio book is $13.50. So from anywhere between 27 mil to 56 mil in sales, she'd theoretically get between $2.7 mil to 11.2 mil.
So... MUCH more than they offered her, to say nothing of moral justness and peace of mind.
I bought her book in audio (she narrates it and its a fucking heartwrenching yet hilarious reading of it) but im literally going to buy a physical copy because i like it so much. don't worry, she's gonna make money and be comfortable the rest of her life i hope.
As someone from the book industry, she was likely offered millions in advance and probably is going ro make royalties for a long time. Especially if you consider that translation copies internationally are coming out still, and may sell through 2030. She definitely made that back triple
I think she also said she was getting movie offers n they were telling her no but letting Ariana miss half a season on tour. That’s so foul.
@@fulcafcoffeehow do you get royalties on a book?
The idea of a teenage girl from California with a weird abusive relationship with her mother singing a country song about moving to California and missing her mother is so tragic and surreal it’s almost poetic
When she put the picture of her mom on the fridge in the video i was like oh good lord...
Her book was a real trip, too 😢
The stuff in icarly with Sam’s mom that Jeanette had to go through (with her actual dangerously abusive mother watching her act) sounds like a level of hell
my mom is a morning show host on a country radio station. jennette did a private performance at the studio and she played this song. i got to meet her that day. looking back at the photo of us... makes me feel sick. it's blatantly obvious now that she was so unhappy. she tried hard to relate with every kid there and give them a special moment even in her time of pain. i deeply respect her.
It's almost like if you made this as a movie from scratch with this plot, it would HAVE to be a dark comedy, if that makes sense. Because the surrealness of just how insane and all over the place these events are feel like they only make sense in that really fucked up context of hyper juxtaposed irony about absurdly dark subjectmatter.
I don't know how you could even remotely write a scene where a man watches a Christian movie and just suddenly realizes he's Jesus in any other way than having it be played off as a really fucked up bit of dark satire, everything about this is just unreal! Like you couldn't play this shit straight without being called out for making something way too on the nose for the project.
The venn diagram of “people who were preteens during 2013 and might have watched Sam & Cat” and “people who were obsessed with the original Silence of the Lambs film for the entirety of 2013” has one person in it and that was me. That episode was made for me and me only and I didn’t know about it until just now
Okay but I became obsessed with The Silence of the Lambs (1991) in 2015 and I only became aware of Sam and Cat that same year when a friend put it on as a joke for us to play a drinking game with so. Maybe the venn diagram isn’t so small?
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Me but with victorious' breakfast club episode
There's something kind of bittersweet about knowing Miranda and Jeanette were actually really good friends during iCarly, and that Miranda was one of her first, best, and longest friendships despite them growing apart.
And near the end they're still really close. Sure they disagreed on the iCarly reboot, but Miranda understood why she didn't wanna do it and they left it there. It's nice to see a genuinely good person in Jenettes life
honestly having watched all of this with no attachment to or nostalgia for these shows, and this being my only window into them: thank christ that the overall destructive influence of this environment missed one sweet thing, and gave jeannette a lifeline
like if their adult friendship didn't hold in the same way, that's a bummer, but she has tools to handle that now- i was waiting for some shoe of profound heartbreak or cruelty to drop with that, the first nice thing that ever happened (in the narrative, anyway) and it's a genuine relief that it didn't
and it sounds like they only really grew apart in the sense that they don't talk as often anymore and that's not so weird when we get older anyway. It sounds like their talks aren't as often but they are just as strong as before.
That's nice to know
Jennette talks about it in her book it is really sweet
I feel like the way the reboot handles Sam’s absence is really heartfelt and mature. Basically Carly and Freddie wax poetic about how Sam is tough and can handle anything the world throws at her. It almost feels like they’re talking directly to Jennette when they say it. Like they’re saying “If what happened to you happened to us, I doubt we would’ve made it through.”
I'll never understand why the show concept wasn't about Cat performing at a restaurant that Sam runs. It's so simple. Cat sings, Sam loves food and is entrepreneurial. They could do so much with that premise, the restaurant would be a better set than the condo, and it would explain these opposite characters spending so much time together. Also, Ariana would be SINGING which would bring in a lot of viewers.
Imagine Cat is one of many recurring talents that performs on stage at the restaurant. Dice could be the shady busboy that Sam hired because he reminded her of her younger self. Goomer could be the talent of a fighting match they hold at the restaurant every Friday. The performers could all be crazy characters, the food they serve could be in the wacky theme of what's performing that night, etc. Singing Saturdays, Fighting Fridays, Weirdo Wednesdays, Magic Mondays, etc. Dice could perform on Magic Mondays since he's a magician.
I am making this up on the spot while sitting alone on a couch. Why couldn't the writing staff do better?
I don't know about that, I get the impression that Ariana didn't want to associate her music with Nickelodeon when her career was taking off. Also, even though Sam likes food, I don't think she can cook and she's also not very good at organizing things. I think the ideal way to pair them up would be to give them their own in-universe sit-com. One of these girls is fresh off being the co-host of a mega popular kid's web show, the other is an actress at a preforming arts school, and that premise would stay true to the shows sensibilities of referencing old sit-coms and sit-com culture.
There's no way they could afford Ariana singing, even then.
@@allyssaswain2394but isn’t that kind of subversion of expectation the root of comedy? Like how Charlie from Always Sunny manages to get the bar to pass the health inspection or how Michael Scott has a “Worlds Best Boss” mug despite him being a terrible manager? In fact I can’t think of any work place based sit com where the main cast are actually good at their jobs?
Nah you don’t understand, only Victoria Justice is allowed to sing 😤😤
You weren’t kidding about child Jeanette’s acting. Her screaming and panicking is too real to be coming out of a child actor
yeah i was not expecting to be moved by a random clip from lifetime- absolutely no wonder that she doesn't have good associations with acting, like the foundational method she had was to cause herself pain
@@thomasstone3480 Hell, even the *”GIVE ME BACK MY DICE!!!”* scene I mentioned earlier was unsettlingly emotional.
@@thomasstone3480 Exactly, associating a thing or activity with negative feelings or stimuli will make the person avoid it or stop doing it as soon as possible if it can't be avoided.
As a kid who learned acting as a form of survival, yeah, there are a lot of things kids can’t lie about and “wow that’s so good” isn’t exactly what they need to hear. It’s more like “holy shit are you okay”
Hearing from the people you lie to, “you’re a terrible liar :)” when they haven’t caught you out once is surreal. Like I am so powerful but at what cost. Bro I was not supposed to be a goated liar i was twelve year old
She specifically talks about how she acted like that in her book, would highly recommend. It was acting (and her speciality if I remember correctly) but no not good for her at all.
Jennette McCurdy and her abusive mom is definitely a good example for the quote "Every child deserves a parent but not every parent deserves a child"
Unfortunately children don't get to chose their parents
There's no one definitive correct way to raise a child, but there are several confirmed ways to do it wrong.
The blooper episode celebrating their oldest main cast member's long career is actually kinda sweet. Older actors (especially actresses) tend to lose a lot of prestige, so having her be the one that the kids are most excited to see for her long and successful career is cool.
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Yeah, that's actually a nice moment
I found it kind of odd that Quinton made fun of that because it felt like a genuine appreciation of older sitcom work. There's a lot in that episode that really, really sucks in hindsight but that bit seems cute.
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I can only hope Jeanette never has to face horrors like she did again. No child deserves what she went through
I really hope her life ever since the end of what's chronicled in the book has been so boring and peaceful. She has had more drama than any human being should have in a whole lifetime already.
Sadly, known from experiences my best friend had and has, as soon as she has peace and time to heal it will get get much harder as healing is painful and she is no longer in survival mode. I hope she now has a support system and takes whatever help/ therapy she needs ♥️
@@JH-cn1un She is/was definitely in therapy she discusses it in the book. They were focused on her eating disorder obviously but they did work on unpacking ... Everything else.
Having read her book, she HAS made a ton of progress with her health since her Nickelodeon days. I’m obviously not privy to more details, but based on what she wrote, she has a much healthier relationship with food and is doing work she actually feels good about.
Miranda promising that her and Jennette would be paid the same salary... while the rumor was that Sam and Cat ended because of a salary difference... oh my poor heart I'm crying
I thought that part of the book was implying that both girls knew Jennette was paid less than Miranda during iCarly but couldn't do anything about that honestly... didn't make that connection till now
@@chirstinasilver7274it’s sad she was even trying to promise her friend that when she was a child as well. The things these literal children had to worry about and go through in that industry makes me sick.
This may sound kinda mean towards Ari, but after learning about everything Jennette McCurdy’s gone through, the final episode of Sam and Cat (even if it wasn’t intended to be the finale) is actually wonderful
Sam getting her moment in the sun away from Cat, getting to live in a nice apartment with a maternal figure who seems to genially care about her, and who makes her home cooked meals, does acts of service for her, and helps bail her out of trouble is actually really really nice
For real... I imagine a less horrible show could've pulled something heartwarming out of that dynamic. Like, Sam obviously has deep rooted issues with maternal figures and in general can't really manage her own life. As a kid, I also always assumed her food addiction stemmed from the food insecurity she suffered throughout her childhood.
Now just imagine how a nicer show with non-asshole writers would've handled the premise of this episode: Cat is out of town, and a distrusting Sam learns to live with Nonna. She's sceptic initially but quickly learns to trust her, as Nonna teaches her how A LOVING, RESPONSIBLE ADULT SHOULD TREAT HER. So much so, that when Cat calls because she needs help getting out of jail or whatever, Sam lies to Nonna to keep her to herself. Of course she can't keep the lie up for very long, and when Nonna scolds her for lying about Cat BEING IN JAIL, Sam breaks down crying. She confides that she's never felt as safe and loved as she did in the last few days with Nonna. She's scared Nonna won't care for her anymore once Cat is back, because Nonna is Cats grandma, not Sams. Nonna hugs her and assures her she'll always be there for Sam, whether they live together or not. *audience awwwws* "But we'll still need to bust Cat out of jail first." *audience laughs*
So they bust Cat out of jail or something, and Cat is surprised how well Sam and Nonna get along. ("I thought you hated Nonna!" "well, that was before I learned about her secret pasta recipe." *audience laughs*) In episodes from then on, we sometimes see Sam and Nonna hanging out. Like, exposition shot of them standing in the living room and Nonna teaching Sam how to use a washing machine or something like that.
Can you imagine how heartwarming it would've been to write a show like that? It still would've been cheesy and stupid, but at least it would've been wholesome instead of hateful and bitter. It took me like 5 minutes to think of this plot. Why tf didn't the writers put any effort in?
@@thevibewitch7414my goodness this pitch is better than anything these writers did in that entire show.
I really hope people don't treat Ariana bad over this, though. I mean, she didn't know what she was doing, she was just excited for all these big crazy opportunities she was getting and wanted to share her fun stories with her coworkers. I genuinely don't think she even realized just how much she was throwing Jennet's own legitimate insecurities back at her and how that made her feel.
@@thevibewitch7414 Yeah, that's the whole thing, right? For a good story that cares about its characters, that situation is the big starting point of the plot that acts as the inciting incident for an emotional character episode.
For Sam and Cat, it's just a really weird joke they end the series on because the writers think being apathetically shitty is peak comedy and not a moment of genuine character assassination.
@@dracocrusher I like how Quinton put it. It's not a crime to dislike someone, and it's not a crime to be disliked. Janette and Ariana's lives were going in opposite directions, anyone in that situation would be upset.
listening to jenette's crying on command is probably the hardest part of this video thus far. it's so genuine, and that's not because she was a good actress, it's because she was so distressed in the moment.
That is where i stopped for the night and just said no.
It's like... not to diss her talent as an actress, but in those moments you really do have to take a step back and realize SHE'S NOT ACTING. I mean, technically she is, but these are real emotions coming out that were being bottled up and it's all for the purpose of her being exploited for people around her.
She's NOT acting, this is just how she feels in this fucked up situation basically ALL THE TIME, and it only gets worse from there!
I had to skip those parts, it just felt so awful to sit through. You can hear the genuine pain in her voice
You're right, that's not acting, it's almost like her mother sent her to the set when she was actually crying and no one was bothered
Have you read her book? (sorry if this is covered later in the video) One of the larger reasons she got gigs in acting when she was younger was supposedly because she could cry on cue. She'd think of sad things happening to her family members to make herself cry. Crying on cue was like a golden goose for child actors.
It's nice that I'm Glad My Mom Died is very obviously gonna have more cultural impact than the iCarly revival.
Good for Jennette.
Exactly. The revival is already cancelled and with how streaming has been going lately it will probably get deleted off the platform at some point.
@@Wabajck you’re acting as tho it’s a good thing lol.
@@Wabajckweird to be rooting for ppl yall claim to care ab losing jobs ❤
@@Tw0Dotsthe revival was kind of bad tbh, nobody talked about it until Freddie and Carly got together 💀💀
Season 2 went completely under the radar. I’d rather forget about it.
except harper was the most interesting thing of the revival@@user-vn5kf2gd6o
Sometimes the internet works in beautiful ways. Sometimes, a man complains about the wiki for a children's sitcom slacking in its coverage of a minor character and the wiki produces a page on that character seemingly overnight.
Oh I knew that was gonna happen 😂
After hours and hours of Quinton specifically avoiding him, finally hearing the name ‘Schneider’ hits like a goddamn jump scare
i seriously got goosebumps and not the good kind
@@wonderstorms4030is because Quinton is on the same level of him? How does someone post an hours long video of a children’s show and not get accused of something?
@@Daftanemone??? What the fuck are you talking about? He’s doing analysis of an entire show, and talking about supplementary material. Have you been looking at the thumbnail and video length and that’s it?
@@Daftanemone Are you mentally okay?
@@Daftanemoneinsane fucking accusation
It is so funny to think Miranda was cursing at age 14 a lot she always seemed so innocent as Carly but glad she was nice to Jennette that’s very fitting in character
Lol I couldn't help but think of that one interview clip where she said "I actually do cuss a little," and that her favorite word was "probably Fuck lmao,"
Its easier to imagine her cursing if you look back on her days on Drake and Josh. Definitely something Megan would do lol. Never something Carly would do, but Megan? Yeah
@@oliviacrigger4991 I was too young when that show was airing but from what I know yeah Megan was a lil shit
@@oliviacrigger4991agreed 😂
do you think that "skunkbag" entered miranda's vocabulary after that episode?
So, there was an episode of Sesame Street in 1985 where the adults were finally able to see the character Mr. Snuffleupagus, he had originally been an imaginary friend of sorts, the adults couldn’t see him and Big Bird would blame him for things Mr. Snuffleupagus would actually do and the adults wouldn’t believe Big Bird. The reasoning for finally letting the adults see him was partly due to a series of high profile stories about pedophila covered on 60 minutes. A main theme among those stories was fear the children held of adults in charge not believing their stories of abuse. The Crew understood the responsibility they had to children and their safety and how their show feeds into that they knew they were an example. So they made Mr. Snuffleupagus visible, and had all of the adult neighbors of Sesame Street apologize for not believing Big Bird and promise to always take him seriously.
I know that Sesame Street is a preschool age show, but I can’t help but feel very strongly that philosophies like that need to be brought into all content for developing minds. The fact that body checks, a commonly used form of molestation and robbing a child of agency, was used as a joke. Themes of pure child abuse being showcased to an audience of children as a silly joke “aha it’s so funny that Freddy’s mom ignores his bodily autonomy and molests him 2 times a week, that’s so weird ahaha” that’s beyond a CPS call.
I just feel like Nickelodeon has a responsibility to children, just like Sesame Street knows they have, and they completely fail children by including things like this, whether they are funny to the child at the time or not.
I love Sesame Street. They actually change with the times to tackle new subjects that are important for kids and parents and it’s absolutely lovely.
The fact that it was done on a kid's show is the disturbing bit. They wrote it to tell 8 year olds to laugh at that
Point of order: Snuffy wasn’t imaginary. He was just shy and always ran away before the adults could see him. The only reason they finally got to see him was Elmo held his trunk so he couldn’t run away.
What’s even more disturbing is if you’ve read I’m Glad My Mom Died, you know none other then Jannette herself actually suffered that exact abuse from her own mother. They were making light of an abuse that one of their main cast members was actually enduring. Given all the other traumatic shit she was going through that the writers turned into gags, it’s entirely possible they knew and did it on purpose. Disgusting.
Victorious was the worst about this stuff, I even found it a little disturbing at times 💀
I can never get over Jennette's mom typing that email after the TMZ photos and then having the NERVE to say "P.S. send money for a new fridge"
Right? It made me put the book down when i read that. I literally had to take a walk to get over it
I don't know how she made it through everything. I don't know what I would do, but I feel like my psyche would fracture. On some level I know you get used to situations, but it was too much and too frequent. She's remarkably strong to have gotten through it. I'm glad she's able to tell these stories, because things have to change when it comes to raising children. Parents get away with too much, and so do production studios. Like Jeanette's grand father mentioned, she deserved time to actually be a kid.
@@DemonLordSparda "I feel like my psyche would fracture" is exactly what it feels like. When my parents did similar things to me, it felt like my brain was breaking in half and I was going insane.
I got one rule "If I'm not your kid then you can get your own fridge."
Narcissism is a hell of a drug
The Schneider's Bakery namedrop after avoiding saying his name all throughout the whole series was so, so good. Masterful display of holding back for the greatest effect.
frr, i completely forgot about the bakery one, i only remembered danwrp or whatever his twitter handle was
Noah Munck having a negative relationship with the icarly franchise is the least surprising thing ever. I mean idk if my self esteem could handle being a bit character where part of the joke was my appearance
I have no idea how adult actors handle that sort of thing, never mind kids!
He said he used to get harassed on the street and told to take his shirt off in public. That’s so mortifying.
Eeee
I had friends who went to high school with him. By their account he was a really nice and cool guy but would flip if you called him Gibby or treated him like the character. Not really surprising at all even back then. I never got a chance to hang out with him though.
I think about stuff like this literally all the time. What does it feel like to be the actor for a character who's meant to be gross or ugly or fat or whatever. I can't imagine what that feels like for an adult, much less a child who has to deal with the fact that real people he knows in real life have seen him be made fun of for being a fat shirtless kid on TV
The “good girls go to heaven bad girls go to Roku City” shirt in the pinboard segment is EVERYTHING to me
Here it is. The end of an era. May Quinton finally rest in peace.
Unless he talks about the reboot. Especially since it just got cancelled and has a definitive end point now.
@@kylendsnider137I mean said reboot ended on a big cliffhanger but better shows have gone that way
True
You know he’s gonna post a 12 hour review of season 1 of Zoey 101 once he gets to a million subs right 😭
@@ArtMares91 that would be awesome ! One of my favorite Nicki sitcoms next to Drake and Josh/ICarly
It really, really makes you hate Nickelodeon. This is just...monstrous. And they just...throw her under the bus. After YEARS of abuse. Im disgusted.
What makes things even sadder is Jennete's music when she was on Icarly also implied something was going on (Homeless heart and Heart of a Child).
It's not like The Creator being a horrible garbage person was an open secret or something. Oh wait...it was. Everyone knows that.
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@@cosmosisrose what’s wrong with saying 1K like..?
The fact that Jenette is so damn natural in playing and traumatized kids should be ringing alarm bells on day one. She was a literal child and her mom bombards her with faux and real trauma just to vicariously live her dreams through her is disgusting. Also yea Debra is a massive reason why Jenette couldnt get roles early on. Directors actually do watch out for overly controlling stage parents when trying to get child actors. Because reasonably, you dont want to deal with so many damn stressful and entitled people while shooting.
Yes! It makes one wish someone, anyone had paid closer attention and saw all of these things for the red flags they were.
She sucks and is bitter
@@dinosaysrawr What makes you think they didn't notice
Jenette is not alone a lot of very talented child actors lost and continue to lose jobs because their parents are nightmares to deal with.
@@NotEmiliaNatsuki , yeah, you're right---people may have noticed or suspected, but it was in their interest to look the other way or dismiss it and keep chugging full steam ahead. One wonders how many people in the industry also become desensitized to these kinds of red flags over time because they get exposed to so many wacky stage parents.
Dan Schneider using the Victorious cast as an example as to why underage drinking is cool is especially jarring when you know that Avan Jogia was struggling with alcoholism during the filming of Victorious.
The scenes Jeanette plays a meltdown for a child are so chilling and considering her story they’re genuinely hard to watch .
Right? This was the first time I’d seen them all (apart from her part on Malcom in the Middle, edit to add: she also had a part in an episode of the show Medium which was actually the first thing I ever saw her in and I didn’t know it was her at the time, and realising it years later, it blew my mind) and I got chills. I just wanna hug that poor girl.
I just got to those parts and had finished my makeup right before it. Now I am sobbing. I did not listen to Quentin about thinking about when to watch this part.
At first I thought watching this part would be unnecessary because I'd read the book, but damn actually seeing what she had to do is harrowing.
seriously, i know he warned us but they shook me so bad i had to put my phone away
Same. Makes it worse that people thought she was acting. SHE WASN'T that was real, those emotions are how Jeanette really felt around her mother growing up.
the part where you’re saying everyone who’s ever given her a nickname has had a negative impact on her life, followed by tacking on “and you call her sam” is so… absolutely well delivered. I can’t even like, articulate how much that hit in that moment.
So Jennette McCurdy came to my university to promote her book and the event sold out instantly. However, only like 10 percent of the audience even read the book, so it was 4 hours of Jennette trying to not break down in front of her adoring fans, not knowing their questions were about the most traumatic moments in her life.
That’s horrible, I hope some people picked up the book after and she was able to recuperate after :(
I thought she explained this in one of her podcast episodes?
That's terrible, but if the event was to promote her book, wouldn't most of the audience not having read her book make sense? Especially as I imagine the event happened soon after the release. University students might not have had the time.
@@MythrilShotgundefinitely, but that doesn’t mean it hurt any less to have a book which you’re actively promoting at that moment being about that time being literal hell and all the questions being about that time as if it was great. no one at fault but still an awful situation
I just cringed out of my skin. I hope a lot of students and staff bought the book and read it cover to cover after that presentation.
The moment I heard the part about Jennette "hearing the Holy Ghost" feeling like she had to do random things a certain number of times, I instantly caught that it was OCD. I've struggled most of my life with it, and a significant portion of it has involved spiritual OCD, despite the fact that I became nonspiritual right before it started. It seems so silly, but it ruins lives.
how did you get diagnosed? i thought all that was normal 💀
@@kaynablue took me until like 6th grade to clock that having panic attacks over minutae in my set schedule wasn't normal
i thought *everyone* had panic attacks about hypothetically forgetting something lmao
Your tangent about Goomer is so refreshing. I had already outgrown Nickelodeon shows by this point but I did see some bits because I have younger siblings, and something that really irks me is that the Nickelodeon formula, especially in the last decade, has been a cast of mean-spirited egotistical characters that constantly scream at each other and a comic relief character that is a caricature of disabled people for the main cast to bully which they shrug off as being fine because they're "friends".
I'm autistic but was only diagnosed recently and I vividly remember being treated that sort of way by my "friends" in school, but I didn't realise how poorly they were treating me until they pushed it too far for me to make excuses for.
Goomer is such a sweet, empathetic character who deserved to be treated like a friend by the other cast instead of being used, made fun of and gaslit.
Someone mentioned that it’s a ripple effect of the whole “KIDS RULE, ADULTS SUCK” mentality that Nick pushed back then and as a result they - on complete accident - created Goomer to be the Crazy Steve, the Lewbert, the punching bag before seeing that everyone liked him too much and overcorrected.
my own thoughts exactly‼️
cat valentine was also definitely neurodivergent coded, especially in victorious when she was a comic relief side character
@@Bluelight802absolutely!
The Creator's pattern of these neurodivergent-coded side characters who are played for the joke of being "weird" to the derision of the main characters isn't going unnoticed on my part either.
Something I'm realizing now: Jennette confirms the original pitch for her show was Sam counseling/mentoring kids/tweens. Then, Ariana was bundled up and it morphed to the show we know. However, Gibby's pilot had him becoming the leader/mentor to a group of kids/tweens. Did The Creator/Nick slapped Gibby's name onto "Just Puckett" and adjusted the script?
They already had the script ready but, when the show changed, they didn't want to throw it away so they got a new lead and changed to better fit the new lead
I can’t believe he didn’t throw this out there, I wonder if Quinton ever made the connection
@@averyemlIn the video, the premise of the original show is only mentioned once. My guess is that Jennette never really goes into more detail about it. Had that been the case, I'm sure Quinton would have looked more into it. However, since this is only mentioned as part of Jennette's list of ways she's been mistreated at Nick, it gets lost in the bigger picture.
"Just Pucket" potentially being turned into "Gibby" doesn't really affect the story being told. We already knew she was promised her own show and then got the rug pulled from under her feet.
This potential fact says more about the Gibby Pilot
@@averyeml he talked about it in the first sam and cat video (it’s been ages, I know) when he spent an hour covering the hobby pilot
It's also possible that the executives didn't think kids would enjoy a show focused on a school counselor, but a widely recognizable sitcom funny guy mentoring a bunch of 12 year olds might be a hit.
It’s interesting to me that she was taken away from the role of a teen counselor where through the script alone could have come to realize the truth of her abuse
man watching jenette's more intense acting scenes as a child made me start crying, its honestly kind of scary how no one on set asked if something was wrong, especially if she looked sad literally all the time
And that is what makes me feel extremely uneasy about kids on TV nowadays. Like, every single time I hear anyone praise a child actor for a powerful performance, I think to myself where do these emotions come from? Can there EVER be a child actor who is a happy kid? And even if it's 50-50, why are we allowing this to happen at all?
@@melanie_kay_6014 Honestly, at this point, I just don't think having kids on TV is worth it. I don't care if the movie is good. I don't care if the show is funny. I just don't think that it's safe to put kids in the entertainment industry like this. Jeanette's case is tragic, but it's far from exclusive; think of all the child stars who later came out and gave similar stories, or who clearly showed signs of being abused or exploited in the past. And these are only the people who speak up. Think of how many kids are in entertainment; think of how many kids are in similar hells. Even if they have good parents and are genuinely passionate about acting, they should be in a theatre class performing a cheesy rendition of 'Grease', not on a production set where they're at the mercy of hundreds of adults who have power over them.
I always felt uneasy about it, but especially after analyzing all the shit the Nickelodeon kids went through, I just can't feel like it's justified anymore. Like you said; why are we allowing this to happen at all? We have plenty of stories we can tell that don't involve having a kid on set being exploited and abused. Hell, people have been getting adults to play teens forever, and adults voice kids in animations 90% of the time. We don't need to actually put real kids in danger. The entertainment industry is just so inherently dangerous to kids, and my heart goes out to all of them.
Sorry, this is super rambly, but the video already had me emotional, and your comment just made me want to write a bit lol. All this to say I completely agree with you haha
Right? Kids really shouldn't be that raw. Watching it knowing what we know now it's clear that the poor girl was in immense, immense pain.
I'm almost sure in the book Jennette says that every now and again people would question why she looked so sad, but she would say everything was fine because she didn't know at that point that anything was wrong.
watching it made me want to outlaw child acting.
Jennette’s story is horrifying…the only consolation is that she is finally in a much better place now, and she’s finally getting to write, which is clearly her favorite creative outlet. I’m genuinely and a little selfishly really excited about her next book
I love the way Jeanette only uses “The Creator” in the book. It’s a great way of illustrating the power dynamic between them.
She's basically giving him the Lord Voldemort treatment,she is not calling him by name but by his occupation as way to express her feelings about him( which are not very positive).He is essentially 'He who shall not be named'.
@@marychouvarda6875what's a voldomort
@@marychouvarda6875 it's likely so she wouldn't get sued on the grounds of "slander", but most people who pick up the book know who she's talking about whenever The Creator is brought up
@@angel2.077 Good point,I never thought of it.
@@marychouvarda6875 it's okay, I thought of that conclusion because they tried to give Jennette a ton of cash just to not talk about it, so who's to say they wouldn't go after a former child actress for exposing The Creator in her bestselling book.
As to why they would more specifically go to Jennette as opposed to the dozens of UA-camrs who covered Dan Schneider is because one is covering speculations from findings online, while the other would have a first hand account. I'm glad that the Quiet on Set documentary is out now, so more eyes are on Dan and other creepers who work on kids media
Sam loving having Nona as her roommate is actually sad when we rememmber what her mother was like in iCarly. She never had this positive maternal figure to watch over her or cook homemade meals. I see that finale as a happy ending.
I agree! It seems framed as Sam being selfish for enjoying it but knowing the full story it just sounds like a story of a poor girl being shown unconditional love and basic dignity for the first time in her life
I agree, I was surprised Quinton said it was a terrible finale because it was probably the closest thing to a happy ending Sam could get in a show as cynical as Sam and Cat. And Cat going to jail is a bummer but serves as a sort of ironic flip. Cat ends up in prison where Sam used to be while Sam gets a chance to be raised by Cat's caretaker.
I agree
@@MightyMewtron
Yes, but given what we've seen here about Cat being a danger to others, maybe it's not so bad that she's incarcerated.
@@collegerebelthe joke about one of the characters from Victorious beating the shit out of a kid finally came to fruition
I think the “Did you guys hear that they’re making a Five Nights and Freddy’s movie?” joke is actually better since the video came out after the movie. If Quinton hadn’t talked about the dated references being a result of the video coming out later than intended I wouldn’t have thought twice about it. It being outdated and just coming out of nowhere the way it did is very funny
honestly, dedication to finish such a long thing makes this joke so ironic, because that movie was also in the works for very long, almost like the pun is doubled
I saw Jennette at Disneyland I didn't ask her for a picture or anything but I rode next to her on the tram you ride into the park from the parkinglot and when I said hi to her I could physically see her cringe thinking I was going to call her Sam but I didn't mention her fame I acted like I didn't know who she was and was just making small talk and she was really really sweet talking about how she wanted to be a writer and she was really excited about it. I think she was with Steven but I can't be sure
this is the best way to interact with celebrities. recognizing we know their entertainment ventures but nothing about them as people means they ARE strangers, even if they're also Sam from iCarly and Janette from my television. :) love this
re: crying on cue. it might be different for film, but in my experience as a theatre actor I’ve ALWAYS been told that “think of a really sad thing” is a terrible strategy - even if it works for you initially (because it doesn’t work for everyone), it just isn’t sustainable physically or mentally. naturally crying while performing because the emotion of it all gets overwhelming is one thing (and, while it’s less common than you’d think, it happens with plenty of actors), but actively making yourself think of the most terrible things imaginable for days, weeks, even months on end is just plain torturing yourself. while tears aren’t even remotely the end all be all of acting, any coach worth shit will teach you how to trigger them via physical tricks, like silent yawns and such. I can’t even begin to imagine how awful it must’ve been using that “strategy” so consistently, *let alone* using it as a small child
I don't really know anything about acting, but somehow I'm really relieved that there are healthy tricks for crying on cue that work well.
I was taught the same thing growing up in the theater. Nobody ever taught me a trick, but I got real good at SOUNDING like I'm crying, and from the audience who can tell the difference? Probably wouldn't work for camera, but just get a tear stick for the poor kid! I was once in a youth theater production of West Side Story where our Anita would cry every night during the scene where she's attacked by the Jets in Doc's bar. Her friends in the cast would be waiting in the wings to hug her as soon as she came off stage every night.
@@missybarbour6885 same here, I absolutely cannot cry on cue even with the physical tricks but it really truly does not matter for the stage. honestly, I’ve never seen why crying was viewed as such a huge thing in acting anyway - I get the visual langauge of it, yes, but not everyone cries and a scene without tears can be just as devastating as one with
I think you’re very right about the sense of immediate camaraderie in live theatre as well. when I did *into the woods* my big sad song was directly after the witch’s and we would briefly hug backstage during the scene change. that show’s second act is pretty devastating for everyone involved, so it was really necessary for everyone backstage to be there supporting one another
@@sir-dame-sander Yoooo, in collage I ran tech for Into The Woods and you're so right lol
Props to Quinton, for spending the past 3 years suffering for our entertainment
Yeah
He's sacrificing his sanity for our sins, Quinton is the new savior of humanity
Nah, he loves this stuff
Martyr for the cause.
Pathetic shrine to Dan Schneider
I’ve read I’m Glad My Mom Died but Jesus watching that footage of her as a young girl being traumatized in these roles broke my heart all over again
What is trauma?
@@TimmyTheTinman from the Oxford dictionary: A disordered psychic or behavioral state resulting from severe mental or emotional stress or physical injury.
Or an emotional upset
1:11:40 the “Who is Gibby?” Joke is genuinely so funny because you know all those actors get questions like that all the time. Jeanette was using her real irritation to deliver that line 😂
I think the part that had the most impact on me was the fact that someone didn't want Jennette to direct an episode of Sam and Cat. That just made me so so so DAMN angry. Like, WHY?? Did they feel threatened by her? And if it wasn't Dan Schneider, who threatened to quit that was so important?? Those creeps all stuck together to protect themselves, and Jennette was their scapegoat!
I wouldn't be surprised if it even came down to a money or pride thing? It looks like in general about four different men directed Sam & Cat. I assume if Jennette did one, that means one episode less salary (And residuals?) for the man that would have directed it.
It definitely wasn't Ariana, but damn she'd be an easy scapegoat.
easy, men hate women and value other men more.
I would be genuinely surprised if it wasn’t Dan. That’s right up the manipulative bullshit alley he paved.
We can all agree Dan Schneider is a piece of rubbish
I like how over 30 hours of content later he's still calling this a 'Mini' series
It’s actually over 40 hours.
The man has aged at least twice
I guess technically it's a miniseries because it has a limited number of episodes?
He's got a good sense of humor I'd smoke a fat joint with him.
I've never seen him in the same place as Ken Burns, just saying
Fred: The Show has a poor reputation exclusively with people who have never watched it and thus don't realize that it secretly has all the elements of a cult classic.
Wait is this a copypasta I've seen 3 different people say this just now lol
@@Xeroforte it's a true statement
@@Xeroforte it's a opinion, the only correct one
I agree. I mean this classic series has a line like "Im gonna get that cake, Fred". This show was obvioudly too genius for people with a normal brain to comprehend but only the few people with ADVANCED brains can understand the true amazingness of this show and its deep lore.
@@Xerofortehe says this somewhere in the video
8:34:38 I also think what’s important to add is Jenette even reflects on her resentment towards Ariana and how that resentment doesn’t actually have anything to do with her as a person. I think both of these women know this and I think years later they both have an understanding of the situation.
Agreed. If I was in Ariana's position and read what Jenette wrote, I'd think, "This isn't about me", at least not completely.
It sounds like Ariana did little to nothing to Jenette personally. I have no confirmation, but I highly doubt Ariana was the one who ruined Jenette's chance at directing.
But when someone is killing it at life, getting everything they want, and you're getting screwed? Yeah, I think most of us would be resentful in that situation.
I mean, who wouldn't want to hang out with Tom Hanks?
"Everyone who calls Jennette a nickname has a negative effect on her life... and *you* call her Sam!"
I must love being called out like that because I see how true it really is.
This was the bit more than any that really hit me hard (I had already read her book and while it is still a gut punch I knew what was coming). Like, I never fangirled over iCarly the way the people screaming at her about butter socks in public did so when I was reading the book I was able to mentally go “that wasn’t me, I’m better” but I for sure called her Sam my whole childhood despite knowing her full actual name
The part of the biography where Jeanette is just at the absolute lowest point possibly in her entire life and her boyfriend comes in and goes "SO I WATCHED GOD'S NOT DEAD AND-" is so comedically dark you'd think this woman's life was written by fucking Kafka.
Immediately I was like, “Huh.” as soon as the audiobook said it, because I couldn’t believe *that* drove him to Christhood.
I want to add an aside to this and say that I feel so legitimately bad for Steven. Living with undiagnosed schizophrenia has to have been a nightmare all of its own, and the fact that after his treatment he decided he would rather be a vegetable than conscious and aware of his own existence is a tragedy I've seen in multiple friends of my own who struggled with mental illness. It retroactively makes both my comment and certain passages in the book kind of uncomfortable to read through because it feels like it treats his illness like a punchline.
I hope he got help like Jennette did. I truly hope he's okay.
This is the best comment, just fyi.
@wilnich592 Nah you're fine, it's funny without being mean.
And then like a couple months later he goes "i think I'm Jesus Christ" lmfao.
Props to Jennette for being healthy and putting herself first today. I hope she continues to do so and never compromises her needs/wants for anyone ever again
100%. She deserves all the happiness in the world.
3:06:43 the “math club” sign with the “a” written in just messy enough handwriting to pass as an “e” at first glance in the background of this scene really elevates the meth joke
I SAW THAT TOO and I cackled
my best friend works at barnes and noble and she's told me about how she saw a little girl and her mom walking past jennette's book. the girl goes "is that sam from icarly?" and the mom goes "yes it is. but it's just a joke, she's not actually glad her mom died."
and i heard this story while i was reading the book and i was like. Um. You're both wrong
The hilarity and disparity of this ancedote appear to cancel each other out somehow 😕
Well... The book really shouldn't be read by kids. I wouldn't know what to say if I was that mother either.
@@robinkholmes7127I would probably say something like "She called her book that because it was difficult for her because her mom was a really mean person" or something. Kids are smarter than we give them credit for.
@@graysonrogers-barnes6302I would assume the mother hadn't actually read the book either
@robinkholmes7127 i respectfully strongly disagree. there is no one who would benefit more from hearing stories of survivors of abuse in childhood than children who might be going through abuse; who will recognize what's happening to them and make the connection that it's abuse, who will see their stories represented and realize they're not alone and that it's not normal, and who will hear this story of someone in their same position who got out of it and became a happy stable person despite it. i understand the book goes into very explicit, """adult""" topics, but...this kind of "adult" stuff happens to kids, it's happening to kids right now. to say that, for example, a child who is being sexually abused, right now, living through that in their day to day life, shouldn't read this book because it delves into themes of sexual abuse and that's inappropriate for them to know about, is frankly just insulting. restricting the types of media kids have access to is just another method of isolation to further abuse. just like quinton described when he talked about homeschooling; if an abused kid meets other kids, they might realize something's wrong about their own life. if an abused kid reads this book, they might, too.
sorry for the long reply i just have. very strong feelings about this.
Echoing Quinton here, even if you watched the spoilers bit and are wondering if it's still worthwhile to read the book, it is. Quinton didn't at all diminish the way that Jeanette's writing gives you such a hard and immediate punch, both in just her reflections and descriptions, and in the batshit insane stuff she's sat through. It's worth the read: a hard read for sure, but she's really an incredible writer.
Listened to the audiobook and found Jennette McCurdy's narrations and voices very helpful when it came to immersing myself in her story and feeling her pain.
@@robinkholmes7127 The audiobook is heartbreaking, you can hear Jeanette struggling to read sometimes because she's overwhelmed by emotion, it's gut wrenching and immensely adds to an already fantastic book
I listened to the audio book back when it came out and I was sobbing by the end.
In summer of 2022, I watched Sam and Cat with my brother in order to prepare for the videos. At 4:49:14 when Sam says she is not allowed in Europe, my brother pointed out that she could never visit Carly in Italy. That broke my heart a little bit.
Oh god you’re right. That is really sad.
Damn why does nick makes these characters and have horrible things befall upon them
I wouldn't worry too much, she already has a forged Mexican ID and she's illegally dropped into a country already. I'm sure she would find a way to visit Carly :)
@@plantmage9850lmao knowing Sam she’d threaten some Amazon worker into letting her sneak into a package to mail herself over to Carly
Man…you’re right. That is very sad.
Hot take, I actually kind of love Goomer as a representation of intellectual and developmental disability. Goomer is extremely charismatic, kind, funny, and has a job, friends, independence, and an all around fulfilling life. I think we are laughing with Goomer, someone who is aware of his disability, but has friends who love him for his charming personality and many unique strengths and knowledge that makes Goomer Goomer. He does not have to have traditional smarts or social skills to be a valuable friend to our main cast, and nearly anyone he meets. When Goomer sleeps over with Sam and Cat, Cat is immediately goes to comfort a now semi-verbal Goomer. She talks him through his feelings, and helps him find coping skills to handle a very real feeling of abandonment a lot of people with IDD (Or anyone) can feel when loved ones are far away, or they feel abandoned. Goomer’s most positive traits remind me of all my favorite things about a lot of the people I have known with IDD. I think they would defiantly mess up a acknowledged portrayal of IDD, but when provided as subtext, it feels like the show is telling you that that person who has all these nurodiverse traits as a valuable member of this group, to the point he is called a main character,I feel like it tells kids to actually get to know that “weird” kid in their class. This idea that multiple types of inelegance can work together to pull off impossible things is refreshingly positive for this universe.
And while the ending of the episode with his mom isn’t great in this context, I think its close to something meaningful. In the end, despite all of his mom’s doubts and fears that Goomer would get hurt in fighting, or couldn’t handle living far from home without her are proven wrong as Goomer shows himself to be a strong and independent adult. Just a little bit of tweaking, and it matches a real struggle a lot of families with IDD children have. In this framing, his mom is aware of his diagnosises, and probably spent a lot of her time helping him as he grew up, likely thinking he would never grow to be independent. Then she finds him, across the country having made a life for himself, and surrounded by people who love him just as he is. She can focus on herself again, knowing her little boy really is all grown up.
Knowing dan and the writers of his sitcoms i assume that was 100% unintentional
I love the fact that in between the three months from the last vid, the infamous Gibby pilot got leaked, and yes, it’s just as insanely disturbing and bizarre as Quinton recreation of it, makes you definitely see why it didn’t get picked up.
Crazy cool coincidence
I literally had to stop this video when I read that to watch the pilot. Yeah, very messed up.
@@raicrushgoing to do the same thing bc somehow I missed the news of the leak
Edit) oh yeah *those* jokes are way worse when not ironically read out with puppets that ending scene is so strange. I see why Nick killed it
Quinton ascends to true UA-camr status and wills something into existence
Also in between that the iCarly reboot straight up died.
That last bit was truly rough, but it makes me so unbelievably happy to hear that Miranda was Jennette's friend for a long while. She even went with her to find her biological dad. Sure, they might've drifted apart, but goodbyes are natural. They suck, but this one happened healthily, and Miranda gave her support when she really needed it. I come away thinking that if either of them ever reached out, they could pick back up where they left off. And if not, they'll still always think fondly of each other. I feel like that's very rare for friendships in Hollywood.
Same this made me happy
I distinctly remember from a book review channel that the book literally begins and ends with Janette getting gifts on her birthday. The first scene is about how she got a gift from her mom as a kid that she had to pretend to like and the last scene is getting a gift from Miranda that she genuinely enjoyed. It was a nice way to show how much her life has changed and how she made a friendship she cherishes even from what was in hindsight a terrible time in her life.
@@MrZer093 Awww that's so sweet... I really am so happy she came out of it with a very treasured, enduring relationship.
I like to imagine that Goomer got into the supervillain henchman job specifically because of his prior experience working for Sam and Cat. In the industries related to causing mischief and mayhem, people were jumping to hire someone with that kind of prior experience in the field.
"You mean to tell me you worked for Cat Valentine for how long?? And you didn't get driven insane?! Wow, you must be able to put up with anything! You're hired, Goomer!"
@@scarlettNETyou know the funny part Frankie is supposed to be Cat's crazy brother right ? Imagine he considered Cat to be the insane sibling. He probably gave Goomer a hug over to deal with Cat and her friends decided to hire him.
I kind of actually love the relationship with Goomer and Frankini. They’re endearing and cute together on the Danger shows. Quinton was not joking when he said that Sam and Cat squandered Goomer. This headcanon only adds to that. I’m glad Frankini can appreciate the mischief skill of Goomer as his boss where Sam and Cat failed to
Also i went on tumblr to search up the supposed goomer fandom that Quinton mentions and was knocked out by a post actually tagged with GIEUX MERR, wherein the user posits that we all would want to fuck goomer
@@skylerloggins4902That's actually a hilarious thought, Frankini randomly talking about stories of how crazy his sister was like Cat did about him.
I think a good theory for the Goomer situation is that, in the last episode we see him he's working as the bodyguard of a celebrity right?
We know that Frankini is a famous influencer so maybe, after all the Del DeVil thing happened, Goomer ended up feeling awful for doing a bad job with the singer, and Cat (possibly in an effort to make him stop being sadr) tells him he could get another chance at the job with her brother, who just so happens to be looking for a bodyguard/lackey. Goomer accepts, the two meet, fall in love and become partners in crime, having a brief moment of doubt where Goomer tries to make Frankini jealous but eventually coming back together to keep at it.
Tbh my take of it was that he was scared that he'd get in trouble for losing Del that he ran away and happened to run into Frankini.
how did a nine and a half hour sam and cat review just convince me to get sober and turn my life around
Needed words can come from the most unexpected places sometimes
Life works in funny ways like that, best of luck to you
God bless you and best of luck ❤
You can do this. You're worth it.
SAME
The Sam and Cat episode is obviously a direct Silence of the Lambs, so that means that the scene where Nora kidnaps Dice in the car and can’t put her kayak in it is inspired by how Ted Bundy kidnapped and murdered his victims. Sam and Cat made an indirect Ted Bundy reference.
6 degrees of Ted Bundy.
The weirdest thing is that Sam and Cat isn't the only piece of kid's media to reference the silence of the lambs.
doll collector here!- the dolls shown before the Fresno Girl Doll episode were all American Girl dolls but the ones shown in the episode all seem to me like Our Generation dolls. I assume the other times they needed a doll they literally used someone from the production's kid's doll and when they needed to fill an entire room of them it was much more affordable to buy $30 OG dolls vs $115 AG dolls. So as a doll nerd the whole joke about them being so expensive made me turn into Quinton when there was no Jesse Pinkman bitch joke
edit: The wheelchair is also from Our Generation as its a more hot pink color than the American Girl ones I could find. It's hard to tell but the handlebars on the side match the Our Generation one and don't have pink accents like the American Girl one. The doll hospital is real but they never give you a wheelchair when they send you back the doll and its something you buy separately. You can pay extra for your doll to come with a get well soon balloon. (sorry for the useless information brain dump)
fellow doll collector and ag fan here! thank you so much for adding this, i was about to do the same thing lol.
That’s what I figured! AG dolls have such a specific mold, though I’m not as well versed in the OG line so I wondered if they were some kind of knock off or not. Love seeing doll nerds though
Howdy fellow doll nerds, I was hoping I'd find a comment from one of us down here explaining the doll details because I know absolutely nothing about AG outside of the photos other doll people post online
Fellow doll collector here, I'll be honest I don't know much about American Girl dolls or Our Generation dolls cause I prefer collecting dolls that look more alternative, spooky, more to my other niches (monster high, begoth, living dead, etc) but now you got me curious how to identify the two and now I'm going into thinking of going another deep dive after this video about the two dolls 😂
@@Alexenarain That’s honestly what got me into collecting myself. I watched one video talking about a very valuable doll I slowly realized was my childhood doll and it sent me down an entire rabbit hole
For anyone worried they have an eating disorder (or one developing) not only is it never too late to get help it is never too early to get help
My interpretation of Neville's dinner with Gibby is that in the mental institution he realized that he was a severely repressed homosexual and was just really thirsting for the Gibster.
More NBC Hannibal than Silence of the Lambs
Neville is a gay closeted man in my opinion
Who doesn't thirst for the Gibster???
If I learned anything from my time on Tumblr; both are true
I mean, fair.
I haven't seen a comment about it, so I wanna say that the inclusion of Mitch as a character to get away with Aaron Paul quotes is genuinely incredible.
Edit: Here's a timestamp 16:33
It's genuinely one of the funniest things, I love it.
Undeniably the funniest part of the video
dan schneider wishes he had the artistic creativity of those teenage kids
It legit really is extremely funny, just the idea of that is very creative and funny
The zoom in to show his shirt saying MITCH is peak comedy
Fun fact for the comment section: apparently Zoran Korach really is his name (Goomer’s actor). He’s of Serbian descent and he speaks Serbo-Croatian. He plays a lot of Eastern European characters. My guy has played someone named Vladimir/Vlad on like three separate occasions.
I can totally see the start of his career being the "intimidating bouncer" character. I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually in Swindle as one of the body guards.
The absolute king👑
He needs to meet Hector
Seeing the difference between the Victorious cast talking about Victorious, and the Sam and Cat cast talking about Sam and Cat is really sad. The Victorious cast all seem excited to have gotten to be a part of the show, and what the show meant to its fans. They also talk about the opportunities that show gave them. Both Jenette and Cameron Ocasio want to actively separate themselves from the show.
Victorious is a bad show, but the cast seemed really into it for the most part.
Didn't one of the Victorious actors admit he barely remembered shooting at least a few episodes due to being drunk a lot?
@@LittleMissLounge Avan Jogia. aka Beck. As i recall, he said he BARELY remembers the show as he was hungover for A LOT of the scenes. hmmm i wonder why and from who….
@@omarslayz Yeah I remember that too now. Maybe I spoke too soon. The main difference between the shows seems to be that Victorious opened up a lot of opportunities for the cast, and Sam and Cat didn't.
@@omarslayz I mean the book itself states that the Victorious cast were allowed to drink (quinton even played that portion of the audiobook), so I think it's pretty clear what the cause of some of those hangovers were. Whether or not Jogia was dealing with alcohol problems prior to the show, isn't something I can say for certain, but I'd definitely bet that the show exacerbated those issues, if that were the case.
"Fred: The Show" has a poor reputation exclusively with those who haven't watched it, and thus don't understand that it secretly has all of the qualities of a cult classic.
thank you
I cant believe there are still fred haters out here in 2024 smh
Thank you 🥹
What about Marvin Marvin?
The absolute whiplash I got from Debra disowning Jennette over email for having a boyfriend, then telling Jennette that she is a disgusting person and that Jennette is apparently the cause of her cancer returning, then ending the email with a PS asking her to send money to buy a new refrigerator stunned me months ago when I read the book, and it still does now.
Like, the audacity to ask your child, who is a fully independent adult at that stage, has been the breadwinner of your household for well over a decade, and is on holiday in Hawaii, to buy you an expensive appliance like that right after you disown her? It's not even the worst thing Debra did, and it just baffles me beyond words.
Real talk Jennette's mother sounded like a real piece of shit. Imagine calling your own daughter a slut and then having the audacity to ask for money.
I almost fell out of my chair.
It seems obvious that Deborah simply didn't view anyone else as being a _person._ Jennette was nothing more than an RPG character that Deborah owned, in her mind, and thus she had no obligation to treat her with the slightest respect.
Things like the cancer tape and Deborah forcing Jennette to live out her own childish fantasies hammer home that Deborah had no capacity to love anyone or anything aside from herself. The closest she could get was attempting to psychically crush people into paste and mold them into reflections of herself.
The cancer tape, for example, feels like her trying to make them share in her own fear of death and then ritually reaffirm their love for her.
That was the only utility her children had to her, until Jennette turned out to be 'useful' as a self-insert. Even the molestation has an additional layer of repulsiveness, in that light - it evokes Narcissus' self-infatuation through how completely Deborah viewed her daughter as a replica of herself.
@@dand1253 she was trully the most narcisistic person I heard of, it's textbook narcisim and antisocial personality, I wonder how many more people like her are out there, incapable of feeling real emotions and destroying other people's lives
As someone who hasn’t finished this video yet, that is an absolutely wild set of words.😅
A really understated series of moments in Jenettes autobiography is the brief moments of her dad that get focus. Like, as someone who had a very fond of relationship with his dad before he passed, the moment he didnt take Jenette to acting class felt so warm. Like, a dad, clearly in a loveless marriage just trying to provide some normalcy for even a brief moment. And the revelation at the end when she learns he's not her biological father only helps strengthen my belief that in some way, he was afraid of what Debra might do if left alone with the kids so he stuck around. Not to say his self martyrdom is braver than Jenette enduring years of abuse, but those brief sweet moments between Jenette and her father are lights in the darkness of those early chapters.
I dunno. Abusers need enablers; adults who see the abuse, know it's wrong... and don't do anything about it. I read that moment as sweet, sure, but the millions of moments where he stands by and doesn't care to notice his daughter is dangerously underweight, that she isn't eating; all the yelling and hoarding and abuse kind of drowns out that one sappy moment.
Maybe he was afraid. But he was an adult and he had some amount of power and resources. Jeanette had nothing. He made the choice not to rock the boat and stand up for her, and she had no power to make a different choice. He decided that between taking a risk and letting a child who thought he was her father be abused, he'd rather not take the risk; and, as she was a child, he took that choice away from her too. Exactly how responsible he is for her abuse doesn't have an objective answer, but it's for sure at least a double digit %.
Narcissists marry enablers and the trauma comes from them both.
I wouldn’t be so quick to congratulate him for that. Even though it was sweet, he absolutely needed to do way more. They actually aren’t close in real life anymore since her mother’s death and I completely understand.
Whenever I tell people I’m a big Quinton Reviews fan they always say things like “Jesus how can you sit through an 8 hour Victorious video” or “how do you have the attention span for a 9+ hour video,” and the answer is simply that Quinton makes the entire video engaging. I was so gripped by this entire video that I truly could not put it down. Every spare minute I have had this week was spent watching this video and I wouldn’t want it any other way. Quinton is an absolute master in his field and I am on the edge of my seat waiting for the next video
I needed to deep clean my apartment and I said huh that’s gonna be a full day of work (been in a big depression slump, things are untidy to say the least) and hey: here’s something to listen to that will keep my mind occupied but won’t interrupt my progress.
im so desensitized to this because i spent my childhood watching 10, 20, 30 hour long videos of video games i liked (or the equivalent by sitting down to watch hundreds of 10, 20, 30+ minute long videos for hours at a time)
like idk how people think it’s weird. it’s been my life since i was 10 lol
I usually just take some pauses before watch it again
Same. I watch it in small bursts, usually when I'm eating but I swear it's so hard to go back to whatever I'm actually supposed to be doing because he makes it so entertaining.
tbh, this one was hard to get though cuz Sam and Cat sucks. But everything that felt like it wasn’t him regurgitating Sam and Cat episode plots was really engaging lol. And I kinda had to finish it since I had seen the entire series up until this point, and he kept it interesting. So im sure it would lead to somewhere good and it did.
1 video.
0 complaints about time length.
9 1/2 hours.
1,900,000 views.
The math says that you've consumed 2,000 years of viewers life with this single video.
That's biblical, powerful, really neat.
Great job.
That's nearly 2,500 years today
Striking me now how despite being 22 minutes long, so many _Sam and Cat_ episodes have no resolution or conclusion. “Stuck in a Box” ends with Cat still in the box. “Drone Baby Drone” ends with the drones still causing havoc. The finale ends with Cat about to go to jail, and feels like the setup for a second part. Just so weird, maybe indicative of poor pacing.
It also strikes me as entirely whiplash-inducing that Jace Norman & The Dice Kid are old now because it feels like both of those shows lasted for like, a year or two and then got buried eventually but were still running on contract.
Like, how is Henry Danger a decade old already?
Anticlimaxes are valid, but you have to be able to pull them off. The problem, really, is that the episodes are just not funny enough. It's like the classic shaggy-dog story. Generally, you have to make people think that everything going on *must* be building towards the resolution of that plot thread, even as the story gets increasingly convoluted.
Imagine, instead, a Futurama episode or something. Fry is stuck in a box. Frantic attempts to get him out of the box lead to a convoluted plan that requires something they don't have. Getting that thing leads to another digression. At the end, they dramatically solve the problem... and it's the incredibly trivial third- or fourth-order complication. Cue rejoicing and flying off into the sunset. Cut to Fry, not only still in the box, but the box is about to be devoured by a giant slime alien we've never seen before. End episode. Never mention it again.
It all depends on really being able to sell the bait-and-switch, the subversion of an expectation. Sam and Cat couldn't sell snow cones in summertime.
i think they just want to have a B plot without ever actually resolving it. In other (better) shows this would be done as a one off gag, but Sam and Cat uses this bit for every single B plot, so they all essentially end with the same joke
@@Nassifeh The Robocop franchise is a good example too with the world still with problems but with the problem from the protagonist resolved
honestly that's just kind of a trope of lazy episodic comedies
As someone who has read Jennette's book i dont think your presentation of her story does it a disservice at all. Its actually as respectful as you can get and deeply, deeply chilling especially with the interjections of Jennette reading her own story. I do recommend reading the book though, it is beautifully written and so tragic. You really can hear her voice and how it changes as she ages.
I agree so much, he is very respectful of her writing, and makes sure the context is emphasizes more than the facts on their own. I don't even need to read the book to know it is a great one, for reasons that an advertiser would never give, because this is too unique and personal to be taken differently than Jennette's liberation, rather than Jennette's past experiences. I thought I'd buy the book, but at the same time I would feel horrified to have it in hand, like my lack of desire to read anything would also hurt what the book is trying to do. I wouldn't want such a book to stay on my shelf, amidst the tens of books I'd never read. To me, it would be better to let other people have this, live its importance.
Bless Jennette McCurdy, I hope we get to see some stories she'd want to tell, related or unrelated.
@@victorfunnyman if you're amicable I'd recommend an audiobook- great to listen to on the way to and from work and that way no unread book on the shelf! Otherwise Quinton's overview is absolutely a sufficient summery.
@@silver8632 hmmmm, does the audiobook need a subscription or is there any place it's a one-time purchase
or maybe free for some period of time
The goomer portion is truly peak. He's one of the greatest beings to come out of the NSU
Paramount plus Goomer show when
I play this video every night for my foster puppies so that they don’t feel alone when they are sleeping in their crate at night. Works like a charm!
My heart is always warmed by Goomer. I have a feeling his actor really cared for and looked out for his younger costars
The part where he picked Jenette up and took her to her trailer during her panic attack was so sweet.
In Jennette's book, she talks about him comforting her during a panic attack.
@@TacticusPrimethats so adorable
@@graysonrogers-barnes6302 Yes I remember reading that that's why I said it! But from that one passage and what little BTS stuff I saw I think the was like that for all of his costars
As others have mentioned, Quinton mentions this later in his video and Jennette in her book. It's always struck me that as she broke down, Zoran was the first one to rush to get her out of there while everyone watched. He had the presence of mind to pick her up, carry her out of there, and get her back to a safe place. I am always struck by how beautiful Zoran is, how kind and gentle he seems, and how he took working on a set with those conditions and did his best to help the other actors.
Hearing Jennette's voice: "I am a failure at not eating and I'm a failure at getting rid of what I do eat" sent me into a spiral. This line encapsulates my struggle with myself right now and hearing it brought me into a sense of realization and deep sorrow. Thank you, this book is something I didn't realize I needed.
For what it's worth, I'm rooting for things to get better for you, even if I'm just a stranger!
wishing you the best of luck
I'm sorry you're going through this 😔 ❤ I hope you get better soon
Hearing her struggle hit me hard too, as I fall on and off the disordered eating wagon. I'll be rooting for you on your journey
Unfortunately you might have some disordered eating patterns or hurtful thoughts. Please seek a therapist if you can access one. Don’t worry if you don’t get along with your therapist because it’s very common for people to change therapists a few times before they get the right one. You might be lucky though! Please take your mental health and physical health seriously. You need to eat well, eat enough and eat consistently. Get well soon & best wishes
Notice how Quinton wore a black shirt instead of one of his many shirts that go hard during the Jennette section, mad respect for this man
And that segment isn't in the Garfield room
THANK YOU for telling me to read this book.
I have autism and ADHD, I really struggle with paying attention to books. I paused this video at 9:00:00, bought the book, read it cover to cover in one sitting, something I’ve never done in my entire life before. Every word resonated with me and I have never ever related more to any piece of media ever. I am overwhelmed with emotion and I was left stunned and speechless for a solid 15 minutes after the book ended. Thank you so much, Quinton.
God I can relate so much I really wish I didn't have that
I do like how Jennette drops Dan’s name only once in the book and then goes back to “The Creator”. Cause it’s like, I’m sure Dan wants to sue for slander and stuff..but I am also sure he doesn’t want the details of this book read aloud during a trial. It’d be an open and shut case of child endangerment.
I think specifically she calls him "The Creator" any time she's talking about his behavior. I think she only mentions the name Dan Schneider the first time when she's introducing the context that he is the creator and director of the show.
I mean I don't think it's a legal defense at all- it's still incredibly obvious throughout the book that she's talking about Dan Schneider, and I think a judge would agree, but it does help with a sense of narrative dignity. She's ascribing this horrific behavior not to a person with a name but a concept, a "Creator" who can't really be felt empathy for.
a big part of slander cases are "is this true?"
slander, being a civil offense, doesn't have the same requirement of proof as a criminal case; "reasonable doubt" isn't involved. she'd just have to provide enough evidence that suggests that it's true.
also, i think the victim of slander needs to prove that the slander has damaged them (usually financially). i don't know much about "the creator", but wasn't their career already in decline before Jeanette's side of the story came out? it's hard to blame her for sinking a ship that was already sunk before she commented on it.
@@PyrokineticFire1 Yes he was in fact fired from Nickelodeon in 2018 because of the abuse allegations, which was 4 years before her book. Oh I'm sorry. He and Nickelodeon "pArTeD wAyS" :P
quinton is an incomparable video essayist. within 9 and a half hours he got me deeply invested in:
-his handpicked episodes of henry danger (insane achievement)
-frankini x goomer
and when the tonal change happened
-getting out my copy of i'm glad my mom died and finding the passages jennette reads/he mentions
The fact that 9 hours into this video you dropped that spoiler warning about Jennette's book, leading me to a SIX AND A HALF HOUR LONG "intermission" (that's how long the audiobook is) before going back here for the final final stretch in this multi-day long retrospective speaks volumes.
Also, that book was fascinating. I really feel for Jennette, I could not even begin to imagine what it would feel like to go through what she did. I do hope her life goes better every day.
I did the exact same thing and I am so glad I did. At the start of the section I’d paused and ordered a hardcover copy of the book. At the spoiler warning I went and started the audible free trial to listen to the audiobook. It’s incredible. I will forever be grateful to Quinton for leading me to this book. Oh and the 40 something hours of solid gold content that he produced to get us here
lol I did the very same myself!
9 hours?
Same here- I just had to pick up the book. I bought both the audio and physical copy- (I really wanted to hear Jennette narrate her story)
And my god, I was not ready- but definitely adore and respect her so much more now (won’t see icarly the same ever again…..)
Comin back to this video feels great since I now can follow along on what he calls a ‘book club session’. What a fantastic book.
Literally same - I was always planning on reading it and that point was where I finally was like “okay I have to do this now” and I drove to a shop that was open at 10pm and had it in stock
Respect to Mr Korach, he seems like such a caring and kind man. One can only hope that Jennette and Zoran stayed in touch with each other, him helping her during a panic attack, trying to get her to a safer place. He seems like a total angel.
You also have handled the section about her with such grace and tact. The book really gives an insight as to what it was like for Jennette to deal with such a cruel mother that just treated her as a meal ticket, how there was so much disregard for her struggles, a mother (or any parent) should step in and help their child, get them the therapy and support they need and also let them discuss how they feel and comfort them if ever they feel sad or worried. Shame that her mother never did that.
I'm sorry but Michael D. Cohen being a trans man and having multiple characters on his main TV show shout in his face that he isn't a woman is the cutest shit I've ever seen in my life.
And the bit where his coworkers express shock at him being Canadian was also adorable.
@@dinosaysrawr Henry Danger cast treats each other way better then Sam and Cat cast.
It’s genuinely one of the most surprisingly wholesome things I’ve ever heard about a Nickelodeon show
@@dinosaysrawr😂😂
@@skylerloggins4902isnt Jeanette & etc’s fault
Goomer deserves better than Frankini. I would treat him right.
Frfr
same
Based
You're right, but one does not choose the ways of the heart. Frankini can change. They can thrive together!
It's definitely an unhealthy codependent relationship.
i really appreciated the part near the end about homeschooling. as a former homeschooled kid myself, as the homeschooling regulations stand (in the US at least), it is without a doubt one of the EASIEST ways to *legally* isolate, manipulate, and abuse your child. the conversation around homeschooling is so drowned out in homeschool mommy bloggers, and hardly anything you'll find about homeschooling will be from people who were homeschooled themselves. amazing video!
This is so true, I'm European and US homeschooling is mindblowing to me. In Europe you have to prove that you can actually teach. You're not allowed to just teach anti-science or whatever you want, you have to teach the national curriculum and you have to do it well. properly. In some European countries its full on illegal too! It seems so isolating and must put some kids significantly behind their peers in terms of education and development.
As someone who went to public school, the only homeschooled kids I knew always had parents pull them out of school due to the kids' friends (many of whom were queer. I was only allowed to still hang out with my now homeschooled friends because I was the "good" "straight" friend. Years later, I found that I was not in fact straight). I never understood why anyone would want to put so much time into homeschooling their kid unless they feared "indoctrination" or "bad influences" (ironic).
Also formerly homeschooled, and it's wild to see and hear this more and more as I get older. It really was so normal to me as a kid because there's nothing to compare the abuse to. I didn't have a single check in for the entire time I was homeschooled and it chills me to think of all the kids that had it worse that had no one checking on on them.
@@stormyrain96 i dont doubt thats part of the reason why we dont hear a lot from former homeschooled kids, so many of us just dont have anything to compare the experience to so we just go “Ok im sooo normal. im gonna go ahead and ignore all of the mental illnesses that i just so happen to have now. [is terrified of speaking to another human being]”. it’s heartbreaking to think about what some homeschooled kids are going through (or have gone through) that they just assume is completely normal and well adjusted behavior.
which is part of the reason why every time i hear homeschooling be mentioned i bring up my bad experience and hope and pray theres some homeschooled kid out there that reads it and goes “Hey yeah wait a second. This sucks.”
i always have such mixed feelings about it because homeschooling is awful for so many kids and can completely stunt social and intellectual growth when it's underregulated and done poorly, but at the same time i'm one of the good experiences where i was only homeschooled for two years during middle school, and those years were probably the best of my life to date (i'm 28). as a kid with undiagnosed adhd and secondhand trauma from dealing with the severe emotional issues of my public school friends, being given the chance to just explore what i wanted with minimal standards to meet at the same time that i started therapy was incredible, and i wouldnt have been able to have that if regulations had been more strict, but lack of regulation is also so often so damaging. i dont know what the solution is, but i wish we could find ways to focus more on the needs of the individual child rather than setting arbitrary standards that wont work for everyone while still ensuring physical and emotional safety.
I don’t know why, but hearing Quinton call a bucket a Bouquet at 1:12:35 and remembering the context for it has had me in a giggle fit
The fact that they wouldn't even let Jennette direct an episode when she's obviously very talented and would probably be a huge asset is frankly embarrassing. This whole thing is embarrassing for Nickelodeon and the industry as a whole. Maybe she'd be bad at it, but it's literally Sam & Cat, a show no one liked working for. The worst that could happen is the episode was sub par, but at best they could get Jennette McCurdy, a very talented actor and writer with years of experience in Nick, as a creative within the company. It's just silly not to do it and goes to show that whatever producer or writer stopped her from switching to being a creative was petty and afraid of being proven to be worse at their job than a child star. Sorry for the rant, this isn't the worst thing that has happened to her but the fact that it was so petty... Plenty of other shows let the lead actors sometimes direct episodes it's not even new!!! It's like a common courtesy you can do as a thank you to the actor that dedicated so long to your show. It's just embarrassing. Whoever it was.
I have to wonder who demanded that Jennette not Direct, Arianna or The Creator? I can't think of a third person who'd want to and could possibly stop her.
the book suggests very strongly it was Ariana who blocked her from directing, from my reading
@@nopegregggalaI got that vibe too. I know Q tried to be diplomatic about it but when I read it I immediately showed the passage to my friend and she was like “oh that had to be Ari” like I just cannot imagine the studio giving a shit about anyone threatening to quit besides her. They moved the entire show around and fucked over Jennette because of her.
Shannen Doherty directed a handful of episodes of Charmed back in 2001, even though behind the scenes issues ended up getting her fired after that season.
Incredibly petty for Jeanette to never get the chance.
Jeannette deserved better. Full stop. I think she's extremely brave for pulling back the wallpaper and showing how fucked up the entertainment industry is, especially with child actors.
I think the 2020s should be the decade we re-examine the world of child acting and dispose of the idea of the child star. There will always be a need for young people in media, but we have to remember that these are children first and actors second.
I think Bluey is a good first step. The voice actors for the children aren't credited so they won't be harassed by the media and they're given free reign to either keep voicing the characters or quit; there is no obligation to stay.
Yep, just yes, I think the kids that are actors should be constantly checked by mental health professionals to be sure everything is voluntary and wanted, also to teach them not traumatizing techniques to be sad or scared on command, because they do exist.
Even better: ban child actors entirely. Have underage fictional characters played by adults in both cartoons and live action. Yes it will be weird seeing a 30 year old dressed up and behaving like a 5 year old but it’s better to do that instead of having a minor act.
@@ghagefuoco8373 Not even kidding, it's definitely preferable. Some adult actors can play really young roles and pull them off anyways, many do already. It's just that the concept of a child having a job is something we should try our hardest to do away with as a society, honestly. The fact that we all have the mental image of a stereotypical child star whose life spirals as they get older, specifically because it has happened so many times already, is so fucked up when you think about it.
@@ghagefuoco8373 why cartoons? You don’t see a kid in cartoons and they could always go uncredited like the Bluey example above. Are the conditions bad or something?
i watched the henry danger musical episode while on acid and it might be the best television experience ive ever had. i came away from it believing goomer was an angel
To be fair he basically is
that sounds like *such* a fun time honestly
Hearing someone say for the first time in my life you can't swap binge eating for anoxeria made me cry fr.
The completely mindfucking amount of hindsight of you, Quinton, sitting through three mostly uncomfortable and mean spirited sitcoms and at the end of this whole saga giving us a peek at what you actually were thinking and the amount of self restraint you had to have not to show your hand too early in those same reviews in order to fully contextualize Jeanette's story and thusly recontextualize iCarly in that light, there's very few times something of the sort pays off with such poise and in this case it pays off in a really sad and horrifying way, I really hope she's living her utmost best life these days.
The book was released midway through Quinton's videos
@@hdjabs1950Yeah but he mentioned how even before that Jennette had a podcast where she did talk some about her mother and the like
@@hdjabs1950she’d already spoken up. He didn’t start the series in ignorance.
And as powerful as it is, Jeanette’s was just part of the story. Hes got another video and that stuff was also already known
That clip of Jennette playing the character that thinks the toys want to kill her is truly shocking. She performs the role so convincingly that it’s hard to imagine it came any other situation than the abuse she faced at home. I was glad to hear in her podcast that she’s really healthy and seems to be in really good spirits these days carving her own path. I hope that she continues on that path and has all the support and love she needs from those who are close to her. We really can’t take that love & support for granted, it’s not always easy to find it as a child or even as an adult.
- I cannot believe that Quinton has been sitting on a "David Schwimmer drowned" joke for all these years just for Matthew Perry to die that same way. That's genuinely spooky
-congrats on getting laser eye surgery, reminds me of classic Quinton withouy the glasses
It's a reference to David Schwimmer drowning on the show "Celebrities Underwater" in an episode of iCarly. He mentions it in one of the iCarly videos he did
@@BeesechurgerProductionsoof 💀💀💀
@BeesechurgerProductions wasn't it sort of referenced in the Fred episode when he's in the pool and asks "what's wrong with David Schwimmer?"
yeah @@Daddywiseclussyboth. There's an ongoing Schwimmer joke that can't be made anymore.
I just think it's funny that THIS is how i found out matthew perry died
Never get tired of Quinton's words syncing with the actors' dialogue
Her mom was overly worried about keeping her away from school and "mandatory reporters" because when I was in school my dad would "joke" about beating me with school faculty but then whenever I talked about it with them I got in trouble for "lying" because "I know your parents, they wouldn't do that."
what in the hell
that they would or wouldn't, it's not unreasonable to think there should be SOME reason this was even uttered
that it is being a kid with very crude humor to possibly being abused, there's not really room to immediately excuse this kind of sentence
@user-qg9nl5ph8v He wasn't even charismatic imo, idk what it was. He didn't even go out of his way to make sure they thought he was joking either. It'd just be like, "He has 3 missing assignments? I'm gonna beat him for that, lol." And my teachers would just be like, "Lol."
Like sometimes he was worried about calling someone calling CPS like the neighbors or something, but he seemed to think my school faculty and teachers were just cool with it. I don't think he even knew they assumed he was joking.
@@creedbratton4064 would you say he had more suspicions of anyone finding out he wasn't joking that much?
14:49 As a matter of fact, I do remember Randy. I'm Randy (specifically I voiced Randy in the Polish dub of Sam & Cat), so I think I'll remember him for the rest of my life whether I like it or not
No way dang
proof?
@rimfire8217 No 😊
I say this with all seriousness. That Jeanette performance in that lifetime movie was haunting.
Genuinely uncomfortable to watch
Suddenly I'm glad most of the child actors I see are horrible at crying 😢
Seriously. I was crying with her, and now my makeup is ruined.
The hardest thing to watch, especially knowing what she had been taught by her mother to pull of those roles. Omg it's just a nightmare