I am on my second GS - awesome vehicle. In addition to performance the fit and finish of the GS is superior and closer to the LS than the ES. GS comes from the original Lexus factory, which is renowned for high quality across the board. The fact that it changes little year to year is a positive for me - the machine has been perfected and doesn't have the reliability issues that come from significant redesigns.
I have both a GS350 F sport and an ES300h. GS for sports premium dynamic driving and ES for daily efficient comfortable driving. Both are different cars made for different duties and goals.
The GS350 is a more expensive built car, that's the reason it's been discontinued. Lexus can build cheaper ES350 and charge almost the same amount for it,just by adding some cheap features, also GS has to be built in Japan to ensure quality standards to compete with the German.
@@luptonpittman6520 GS better than some German cars like Audi a6 lol if we being honest it can compete with e350 they just don’t offer Panoramic sunroof
The ES is that car that sells but doesn’t have a class, the IS competes with the compact luxuries like a 3 series or a C class. The GS competes with the big boy midsized luxuries like the 5 series & the E class. The ES is priced with a compact luxury but has the space of a midsized. Who knows where it places.... I mean it sells 😂
Anthony Burke They May share the same wheelbase, but the Avalon is bigger than both the ES and the GS (2016). Also the ES changed from the Camry platform to the Avalon platform in 2013
The ES cabin space is much more roomier than the GS. Even Lexus says the ES is the full size sedan and the GS the midsize sedan. And having own an ES and currently drives a GS, I know this is true. A 6 ft person could sit comfortably in the back seat of a ES, not so much in a GS. That said, I love my GS F-Sport because it is the perfect size for a single guy like myself!
@@BamaScorpio69 I love my 08 gs350 awd got this low mile beast for a deal my first Lexus I literally can’t believe how well built these cars are I’m hooked on Lexus I want to get a 2013-2015 gs 350 awd
I wish Lexus would add Android Auto and Apple Car Play to the GS. The GS is an awesome looking vehicle with RWD. The tech is what is holding the GS back
I have a 2013 ES350, 2nd owner bought it in April 2019 w only 30,009 miles. I was considering a GS350 and an IS350 both were $3k-8k more. I don’t need AWD so one reason why I didn’t go GS. If I had to choose again I would go IS 350. I’d sacrifice trunk size and rear seat room for a more sporty ride and handling
Pretty simple, if you want more cabin space, comfort and luxury for an affordable price you go with the ES 350. If you want a sportier look with less leg space in the back you go with the GS.
I'm on my 3rd ES hybrid. I love the comfortable smooth ride. That's all I care about when coming from a busy day at work. I'm also glad that I get to decrease my carbon footprint. I love the space. I've recently moved my parents in with me because my dad recently went into endstage renal failure. It's dependable and a great family car.
My 2018 GS350 is my 2nd Gs. As you mentioned, being from Midwest, I need AWD. Also the added power is handy when needed. Very comfortable, quiet, and powerful. Love mine!!!
Just picked up a 2013 ES 350 with only 30k miles on it, one owner kept it cherry. Basically spent half of what it was new, but if you ask me, it's still new. Great car, great quality.
The optional Torsen Limited Slip Differential is removed as an option on the gs 350 AWD. Also four wheel steering option available only on the rear drive GS 350. What I would want is the rear drive with torsen lsd w 4ws.
es is more roomy...more fuel efficient....fwd which is way better lasting than an awd...offcourse gs is superior in a lot of ways...........but its not a success story of lexus brand ...compared to a bmw 5 series and mercedes
Which one shall I choose?... The GS! It has the proper chassis not Toyota Camry based. Thee GS is a proper competitor to BMW 5 series and Merc E class. Rear wheel drives are for proper drivers. Having said that a RWD based AWD is an exception as it has maintain some or most of rwd character.
How the steering wheel on the ES? I got the 16 GS350, only 11k miles on it. Steering pretty heavy to me coming from an 2018 RX350. It is like that because it's a sport sedan? I love everything about the GS but I drive to work daily mostly in traffic, and the steering makes my arms tired after 45 min. I probably don't need a 311 hp sedan. I love the paddle shifters and the powerful engine, but it's not for me I guess. Should I return the GS and get the ES since I heard ES's steering much lighter? Thanks Sir.
@@darrellcox7592 I returned it and got an ES. You will love the 311 hp powerful engine with paddle shifters. Really nice to drive, just not for me since I'm in rush traffic daily and the steering make my arms tired. And it looks sexier than the ES.
My personal opinion: If you like to drive, definitely go for GS model. Pity the 4th generation of GS no longer have V8 engine, that's one of the reason I got a GS450h instead. Absolutely love it, however wish ECVT can be more sporty feeling on gear changing at sport+ mode.
Love the ES looks but here in Spain I have a GS450H 2019 rear wheel drive and it’s Lexus model since the day it was born not like the ES, definitely I’ll keep my GS for years to come, beside here every body prefers mercs and bmw,s with Diesel engine lol with 170bhp 🤣🥴 and is so cool to pass them by 😈.
What the GS needs is a proper redesign The tech and interior is holding it back a lot Of course the es is going to sell more because it's a brand new vehicle Now people are comparing the es to the 5 series and e class but it doesn't win because it ls not in that class that's what the GS is for Yes the we feels more luxurious and techy but that's because it s new If you compare a 2012 es with a 2012 gs pretty sure the GS will win it is more premium and you can feel it So if the GS is updated it would beat the es anytime
I wouldn't get a brand new gs just because you can get so much more in the new es. I have the 13 gs f sport awd but wish I got the rwd model since it has rw steering and bigger brakes
Thanks for the review and information, Kirk! I am a fan of both the ES and GS. I have seen some great priced used GS 2015 models, not many F Sport trims though. I think I’d go with the GS since it more driver oriented and offers the AWD. I do like the IS too, but it felt a tad cramped on the driver seat for me.
Thanks for the suggestion! The mic is external already but it's picking up a lot of extra noise because it's away from me. Wireless lapel mics are a bit too pricey for me ATM. I'll work on improving thanks!
Kirk Kreifels Check out the RODE Wireless GO mic. Affordable and great audio quality. Definitely will increase the production quality of your videos. 👍🏻
Funny you made a video about this I went to test drive the ES F sport and I will be keeping my GS. It’s FWD and it so quiet. It really is just an appearance package. When I floor my GS you hear the engine growl and the exhaust sounds good but the ES is quiet and smooth. So glad I drove the ES so now I know that it will never be an option for me as a sport sedan like the GS. But overall the ES is solid the design is great and I’m in love with it but I need that RWD or AWD sports feel.
GS350 is by far superior. I have a 2017 and recently had it serviced at Lexus. They loaned me a 2021 es350 for a day and there's way in hell would I trade my GS for it. The exterior looked nice and all, but the interior and the drivability felt more like a Toyota or a Honda. Quality just wasn't there.
I have a beautiful white on red 2016 GS350 F-Sport that I've owned for three & a half years so far & love it to death! Easily the best car I've owned so far & not planning on replacing it anytime soon! It now has 75K miles (bought it when it had 41K miles) & feels just as solid as a new one. I've driven the current ES a few times as a loaner vehicle & hated it compared to the GS. It had too much power going to the front wheels which made the steering feel weird. RWD > FWD. The interior quality is much better in the GS. I would honestly much rather buy a Camry than the ES.
Are you sure the ES has worse quality interior then GS or are you just being biased? The ES is brand new in 2019 and is regarded to have one of the best interiors for its price. I am a GS owner btw and it's a great interior, but seeing the ES through UA-cam the interior looks just as good as GS except with a more modern design
@@Oneofakind91 The ES interior doesn't feel cheap, but uses noticeably more hard plastics than even my grandmas 2012 ES. It look more modern for sure, but I personally prefer the interior design & layout of the GS despite being an older design. The GS was around $10k more expensive than the ES & it showed in that regard.
Too late LOL. It's a bummer because it's a great car. There are no Lexi currently made that i would really want except LFA and LC and clearly that is not happening for me.
@@2001COUPE It's okay, you're an idiot. FWD cars require less maintenance than RWD. And no, it's not the same reliability. The direct injection engines have been known to have more issues than it's non-DI counterparts.
@@gianniclaud FWD might have less maintenance but, access to the acc. belt, water pump, A/C comp.(pulleys) is cramped hard to get to. Also you have CV boots to worry about later on 'cause they're rubber and rip. RWD the pulleys are easier to get to and no CV boots but, it has rear differential to do maintenance, change the fluid, but is easy to do.
Hi Kirk. I am interested in getting a 2018 or 2019 Gs350. I'm trying to figure out the difference between the base and the f sport. Will I feel too much of the road with the f sport? I want the smoothness of the es but the sportiness of the GS and I haven't driven a GS yet. Only going by reviews. Thanks
I could be wrong. Wasn't that in 2017 (or 2016), there were news that GS is slated to be discontinued in a few years time. Hence no major refreshes will be foreseen. At that time, I recalled Lexus want ES to go upscale to pick up the slack from GS when ES shifted its platform. Previous platform of ES was shared with Toyota's Avalon. So, choosing GS does not make financial sense. The resales value of GS plummet significantly when compares to ES.
No confirmation on GS cancellation. ES can pick up some of the slack of GS buyers, but it is still far from a sports sedan. A larger IS should foot the bill.
@@KirkKreifels Thx. Side question. Wonder why LCF has an update in 2020 whereas GSF does not. I know they are on different platform but they share the same V8 and similar external appearance up front. Another off the beat question - for your upcoming live cast. Is Toyota sabotaging itself on sales by releasing the 2020 Supra? Because on the Lexus side, they have LCF. LCF and Supra seem to complete for the same target market (OK, I understand Supra has 2 less cylinders and don't pretend to have 2 rear seats). Thx.
@@sorcererstone3303 I think you mean the RC F instead of the LC F (which isn't out yet). GS is likely to be discontinued. RC just got a refresh for 2019, so they also refreshed the F variant to keep up with the non F RC styling. Supra and RC F are different market and I'd take an RC F used over a new BM---Supra.
I think they did a great job on the ES F Sport. And hopefully that is my next car. Currently in an IS250. I thought i saw a rear seat floor hump on ES also, but why would it have that if it’s FWD?
I've owned both and the only reason the ES sells better is because it's $10k cheaper, has more room, and gets better MPG. The GS is the better built car with a higher quality interior and superior driving dynamics.
If I was to upgrade from my current IS into either one, I'd go for the GS. I just can't go back to FWD anymore! Also, newer cars will always have newer tech but the driving wheels rarely change. Sorry Kirk I deleted my original post by accident...
The seller sounded very dumb. This GS came in 2013 refresh in 2016 and discontinued in 2020. Every car company does refresh in 4yrs new design in 6-8yrs.
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I own a GS and I would choose it over an ES at anytime. The GS is more of a personal car. The ES is geared more towards family.
Sounds right
I am on my second GS - awesome vehicle. In addition to performance the fit and finish of the GS is superior and closer to the LS than the ES. GS comes from the original Lexus factory, which is renowned for high quality across the board. The fact that it changes little year to year is a positive for me - the machine has been perfected and doesn't have the reliability issues that come from significant redesigns.
I have both a GS350 F sport and an ES300h. GS for sports premium dynamic driving and ES for daily efficient comfortable driving. Both are different cars made for different duties and goals.
Is there a difference in quality?
Which suspension is more comfo9rtable?
Is the GS comfortable?
@@bradh6185 sporty and comfortable type
@@vise5224 both have nice quality but the GS is built different than the ES like how a luxury sport sedan should
The GS350 is a more expensive built car, that's the reason it's been discontinued. Lexus can build cheaper ES350 and charge almost the same amount for it,just by adding some cheap features, also GS has to be built in Japan to ensure quality standards to compete with the German.
Nice to know I might buy a 2017-20 GS
Compete with German quality?? 🤣🤣🤣 Seriously?? There’s no competition.
@@luptonpittman6520 GS better than some German cars like Audi a6 lol if we being honest it can compete with e350 they just don’t offer Panoramic sunroof
@@caxtoneokoth5618 I agree. Lexus quality is light years ahead of Germans.
@@luptonpittman6520coming from a previous Q5 owner and now a 20 year old Lexus. Yes, Lexus is FAR superior
Just bought the 2016 GS350 F Sport. Amazing vehicle!
Congrats! I bought the same car last year & still can't get enough of it!
It surprises me when I go to dealers they don’t know anything about their cars and still got job selling cars.
That’s because their turnover is higher than McDonald’s.
The ES is that car that sells but doesn’t have a class, the IS competes with the compact luxuries like a 3 series or a C class. The GS competes with the big boy midsized luxuries like the 5 series & the E class. The ES is priced with a compact luxury but has the space of a midsized. Who knows where it places.... I mean it sells 😂
I think in 2016 the ES finally got the same chassis as the avalon so I'd call it a full size luxury car
Anthony Burke They May share the same wheelbase, but the Avalon is bigger than both the ES and the GS (2016). Also the ES changed from the Camry platform to the Avalon platform in 2013
The ES cabin space is much more roomier than the GS. Even Lexus says the ES is the full size sedan and the GS the midsize sedan. And having own an ES and currently drives a GS, I know this is true. A 6 ft person could sit comfortably in the back seat of a ES, not so much in a GS.
That said, I love my GS F-Sport because it is the perfect size for a single guy like myself!
@@BamaScorpio69 I love my 08 gs350 awd got this low mile beast for a deal my first Lexus I literally can’t believe how well built these cars are I’m hooked on Lexus I want to get a 2013-2015 gs 350 awd
@@derekquinones8614 I have RWD but I live in the South. I would say try to get a 15 if you can. Good luck!
I wish Lexus would add Android Auto and Apple Car Play to the GS. The GS is an awesome looking vehicle with RWD. The tech is what is holding the GS back
I have a 2013 ES350, 2nd owner bought it in April 2019 w only 30,009 miles. I was considering a GS350 and an IS350 both were $3k-8k more. I don’t need AWD so one reason why I didn’t go GS. If I had to choose again I would go IS 350. I’d sacrifice trunk size and rear seat room for a more sporty ride and handling
Pretty simple, if you want more cabin space, comfort and luxury for an affordable price you go with the ES 350. If you want a sportier look with less leg space in the back you go with the GS.
I'm on my 3rd ES hybrid. I love the comfortable smooth ride. That's all I care about when coming from a busy day at work. I'm also glad that I get to decrease my carbon footprint. I love the space. I've recently moved my parents in with me because my dad recently went into endstage renal failure. It's dependable and a great family car.
Thank you for sharing! I had a cscs once 😋
My 2018 GS350 is my 2nd Gs. As you mentioned, being from Midwest, I need AWD. Also the added power is handy when needed. Very comfortable, quiet, and powerful. Love mine!!!
Awesome! Yes AWD is necessary for many here in the MW. Thanks for chiming in.
how good is the lexus awd system actually ?
Just picked up a 2013 ES 350 with only 30k miles on it, one owner kept it cherry. Basically spent half of what it was new, but if you ask me, it's still new. Great car, great quality.
The optional Torsen Limited Slip Differential is removed as an option on the gs 350 AWD. Also four wheel steering option available only on the rear drive GS 350. What I would want is the rear drive with torsen lsd w 4ws.
GS 350 F sport with the 8 speed trans. Hands down! RWD and more horsepower no thinking necessary! Plus the GS is totally my style and stance 💯💯💯
es is more roomy...more fuel efficient....fwd which is way better lasting than an awd...offcourse gs is superior in a lot of ways...........but its not a success story of lexus brand ...compared to a bmw 5 series and mercedes
Glad I live in the south because I have a 2015 RWD GS 350 F-Sport.
@@snafees7 Dummy he said his GS is rwd so what tf are you saying Awd for??????
Which one shall I choose?... The GS! It has the proper chassis not Toyota Camry based. Thee GS is a proper competitor to BMW 5 series and Merc E class. Rear wheel drives are for proper drivers. Having said that a RWD based AWD is an exception as it has maintain some or most of rwd character.
I absolutely love my 2017 ES 350! People sleep on them but it moves. Very smooth and comfortable car. The GS 350 is a nice car as well.
Nobody sleep on ES they everywhere
GS it is!!! Coming from an A4 and that cost is maintenance is finally getting to me
I have a GS350. Tested the newer ES (coming from the ES330) went with the GS instead. It’s worth the premium.
Thanks for sharing!
Michael Rafael I agree I tear drove the ES to compare this week and I would rather stick with my GS
How the steering wheel on the ES? I got the 16 GS350, only 11k miles on it. Steering pretty heavy to me coming from an 2018 RX350. It is like that because it's a sport sedan?
I love everything about the GS but I drive to work daily mostly in traffic, and the steering makes my arms tired after 45 min. I probably don't need a 311 hp sedan. I love the paddle shifters and the powerful engine, but it's not for me I guess.
Should I return the GS and get the ES since I heard ES's steering much lighter? Thanks Sir.
@@khoiquach Or maybe you could sell it to me for good price. I like the GS.
@@darrellcox7592 I returned it and got an ES. You will love the 311 hp powerful engine with paddle shifters. Really nice to drive, just not for me since I'm in rush traffic daily and the steering make my arms tired. And it looks sexier than the ES.
Gs= VIP. ES= Camry
My personal opinion: If you like to drive, definitely go for GS model. Pity the 4th generation of GS no longer have V8 engine, that's one of the reason I got a GS450h instead. Absolutely love it, however wish ECVT can be more sporty feeling on gear changing at sport+ mode.
The gs f has a v8
Love the ES looks but here in Spain I have a GS450H 2019 rear wheel drive and it’s Lexus model since the day it was born not like the ES, definitely I’ll keep my GS for years to come, beside here every body prefers mercs and bmw,s with Diesel engine lol with 170bhp 🤣🥴 and is so cool to pass them by 😈.
Thanks for the insight! Simple and straightforward. Softer and more comfortable, ES. More sporty, GS. Great info.
What the GS needs is a proper redesign
The tech and interior is holding it back a lot
Of course the es is going to sell more because it's a brand new vehicle
Now people are comparing the es to the 5 series and e class but it doesn't win because it ls not in that class that's what the GS is for
Yes the we feels more luxurious and techy but that's because it s new
If you compare a 2012 es with a 2012 gs pretty sure the GS will win it is more premium and you can feel it
So if the GS is updated it would beat the es anytime
But it's not updated, and thus the es is better for most people.
I drive a 2016 Lexus GS 350 luxury package and I love it
I wouldn't get a brand new gs just because you can get so much more in the new es. I have the 13 gs f sport awd but wish I got the rwd model since it has rw steering and bigger brakes
How is your GS holding up ?
@@desmondmcintosh6068 it's a beast now that I have found 93 octane lol next I'll try to find 101 octane
ES = airport rental car.
i prefer rwd GS
Definitely
I live in Minnesota and I own 2010 GS350 AWD is amazing Car
Thanks for the review and information, Kirk! I am a fan of both the ES and GS. I have seen some great priced used GS 2015 models, not many F Sport trims though. I think I’d go with the GS since it more driver oriented and offers the AWD. I do like the IS too, but it felt a tad cramped on the driver seat for me.
Thanks for watching!
Opinion on the 2014 es vs 2014 GS F sport. Live in Midwest however I'm fine with fwd. If priced almost evenly.
Has Lexus fixed the problem with the stereo system in the ES? Thousands of owners have complained that sound only comes out of one front speaker.
Love the video, couple of questions if you have the time.
1.: What is Lexus Plus pricing?
2.: Where did you get those model cars in the background?
In terms of ride comfort and sound insulation which is better?
The Ultra Luxury ES 350 would be what you can get. It has double thick windows for extra sound deadening.
Neither. I got the ISF. I'd definitely pick the GS if I had to choose between those two. The ES is a boring granny car.
Watch all your great Lexus videos. Suggestion... can you get an external mic so the video audio doesn’t include background sound?
Thanks for the suggestion! The mic is external already but it's picking up a lot of extra noise because it's away from me. Wireless lapel mics are a bit too pricey for me ATM. I'll work on improving thanks!
Kirk Kreifels Check out the RODE Wireless GO mic. Affordable and great audio quality. Definitely will increase the production quality of your videos. 👍🏻
Funny you made a video about this I went to test drive the ES F sport and I will be keeping my GS. It’s FWD and it so quiet. It really is just an appearance package. When I floor my GS you hear the engine growl and the exhaust sounds good but the ES is quiet and smooth. So glad I drove the ES so now I know that it will never be an option for me as a sport sedan like the GS. But overall the ES is solid the design is great and I’m in love with it but I need that RWD or AWD sports feel.
Well-said mate.
GS350 is by far superior. I have a 2017 and recently had it serviced at Lexus. They loaned me a 2021 es350 for a day and there's way in hell would I trade my GS for it. The exterior looked nice and all, but the interior and the drivability felt more like a Toyota or a Honda. Quality just wasn't there.
I have a beautiful white on red 2016 GS350 F-Sport that I've owned for three & a half years so far & love it to death! Easily the best car I've owned so far & not planning on replacing it anytime soon! It now has 75K miles (bought it when it had 41K miles) & feels just as solid as a new one. I've driven the current ES a few times as a loaner vehicle & hated it compared to the GS. It had too much power going to the front wheels which made the steering feel weird. RWD > FWD. The interior quality is much better in the GS. I would honestly much rather buy a Camry than the ES.
Are you sure the ES has worse quality interior then GS or are you just being biased? The ES is brand new in 2019 and is regarded to have one of the best interiors for its price. I am a GS owner btw and it's a great interior, but seeing the ES through UA-cam the interior looks just as good as GS except with a more modern design
@@Oneofakind91 The ES interior doesn't feel cheap, but uses noticeably more hard plastics than even my grandmas 2012 ES. It look more modern for sure, but I personally prefer the interior design & layout of the GS despite being an older design. The GS was around $10k more expensive than the ES & it showed in that regard.
Long live the GS.
Too late LOL. It's a bummer because it's a great car. There are no Lexi currently made that i would really want except LFA and LC and clearly that is not happening for me.
The ES, if you wanna keep it longer. Plus less maintenance.
Same reliability not sure I understand the comment, but ok.
@@2001COUPE It's okay, you're an idiot.
FWD cars require less maintenance than RWD. And no, it's not the same reliability. The direct injection engines have been known to have more issues than it's non-DI counterparts.
Why do front FWD cars require less maintenance than RWD cars? Are ES engines direct injected?
@@gianniclaud FWD might have less maintenance but, access to the acc. belt, water pump, A/C comp.(pulleys) is cramped hard to get to. Also you have CV boots to worry about later on 'cause they're rubber and rip. RWD the pulleys are easier to get to and no CV boots but, it has rear differential to do maintenance, change the fluid, but is easy to do.
GS engine and transmission are easier to service. Doing a spark plug change on a transverse V6 is a pain in the ass.
No comparison whatsoever!
No way am I getting an ES after my GS
No one usually would. I've owned both. I currently have a gs.
What about the Pac Northwest in Oregon
Hi Kirk. I am interested in getting a 2018 or 2019 Gs350. I'm trying to figure out the difference between the base and the f sport. Will I feel too much of the road with the f sport? I want the smoothness of the es but the sportiness of the GS and I haven't driven a GS yet. Only going by reviews. Thanks
GS base and f sport are very very similar in ride feel and quality
@@KirkKreifels thanks Kirk. Maybe in the future if the make the IS a little larger it will be able to fill the shoes of the GS
definately the ES BUT with the V6Hybrid from the GS450h !! Those shitty small 4cyl Hybrids are so boring in that huge heavy ES !!!
I love my GS… My mom Drives a ES!!!
GS is pure Lexus, its more like limo. So much more sound isolatied, V6 smooth engine.
ES is tuned Toyota Camry eee Apple Car play and more leg room
Will the ES ever get AWD?
Yes in 2021
The GS is being discontinued.
I would take the GS if its available with AWD. I guess the ES is better in snow.
Yes, GS came with AWD. ES 350 is FWD only.
I test drove/rode both and it’s the ES for me. We’re y’all so the leg space is very important
I could be wrong. Wasn't that in 2017 (or 2016), there were news that GS is slated to be discontinued in a few years time. Hence no major refreshes will be foreseen. At that time, I recalled Lexus want ES to go upscale to pick up the slack from GS when ES shifted its platform. Previous platform of ES was shared with Toyota's Avalon. So, choosing GS does not make financial sense. The resales value of GS plummet significantly when compares to ES.
No confirmation on GS cancellation. ES can pick up some of the slack of GS buyers, but it is still far from a sports sedan. A larger IS should foot the bill.
@@KirkKreifels Thx. Side question. Wonder why LCF has an update in 2020 whereas GSF does not. I know they are on different platform but they share the same V8 and similar external appearance up front.
Another off the beat question - for your upcoming live cast. Is Toyota sabotaging itself on sales by releasing the 2020 Supra? Because on the Lexus side, they have LCF. LCF and Supra seem to complete for the same target market (OK, I understand Supra has 2 less cylinders and don't pretend to have 2 rear seats). Thx.
@@sorcererstone3303 I think you mean the RC F instead of the LC F (which isn't out yet).
GS is likely to be discontinued. RC just got a refresh for 2019, so they also refreshed the F variant to keep up with the non F RC styling.
Supra and RC F are different market and I'd take an RC F used over a new BM---Supra.
@@KirkKreifels Yes, I meant RC F. Your last statement is very impactful towards buying decision. Thx for the enlightenment.
The GS is much quieter than an ES. I drove both of them and they are significantly different in terms of NVH.
GS 350 F Sport is best
GS350!!!
Gs with the 6 speed is better
Make the ES a plug-in hybrid!
I would love to see it!
Hands down ES but I’m a bit biased BC i drive an old ES
I think they did a great job on the ES F Sport. And hopefully that is my next car. Currently in an IS250.
I thought i saw a rear seat floor hump on ES also, but why would it have that if it’s FWD?
There's a hump there for the future Hybrid AWD version of the ES.
Oh ok. Thank you.
Gs all the way since the es is is just a camry in a tuxedo
@Yemi the 2019 redesign looks nice but the ones before are very ugly they didn't hide the fact it was just a camry with a face lift
Not sure if its an advantage or not but RWD gs has 8 speed Auto vs AWD has 6 speed.
Yup. I think I covered that in the video, but if I didn't thanks!
@@KirkKreifels Does your dealership by any chance have any GS F in stock?
@@alixallen Not currently. We sold one about a month ago. It was awesome! We can locate them and sell them if a customer wants one :)
GS looks so much better! The ES looks horrible on the outside.
The both look great. I think the 2019 ES looks better than a 2019 GS. 2015 GS F Sport looks better than the newer GS IMO.
GSF
I’ve owned both and the ES is better. It’s not a coincidence that the ES sells more
I've owned both and the only reason the ES sells better is because it's $10k cheaper, has more room, and gets better MPG. The GS is the better built car with a higher quality interior and superior driving dynamics.
The ES obviously, the GS is ancient and has literally been replaced in the UK by that new ES model.
@Yemi The UK didn't have the ES until 2019 lmfao we ONLY had the GS for decades. So wrong.
GS!
If I was to upgrade from my current IS into either one, I'd go for the GS. I just can't go back to FWD anymore! Also, newer cars will always have newer tech but the driving wheels rarely change.
Sorry Kirk I deleted my original post by accident...
I only see elderly couples driving the ES
Grand Sedan / Grand Sport
ES is just a Camry.
The seller sounded very dumb. This GS came in 2013 refresh in 2016 and discontinued in 2020. Every car company does refresh in 4yrs new design in 6-8yrs.