No one in the comments mentioned that the GS was a huge competitor against the Audi A6 in its earlier years! The GS is so underrated and underappreciated, but this will outlast all the germans! Period.
My philosophy on Audi is this: Buy or own one while in the warranty period. Bail on it after that. Lexus , BUY or own forever as you'll barely ever use that warranty.
Who cares if it lasts, people gets the Germans for joy, and doesn’t matter how hard people try to make a sewing machine to run, it can’t compare to a plane running on the ground
Gio S6 yea outlast the germans we know that but my question is where is the engine horsepower? These cars alll lack horesepower my ideal is 350 horsepower baseline
I bought a 16' GS350 earlier this year and I miss it every time I jump into something else. What a car. It is butter smooth, but when you need to tackle a back road....she'll do it!
But if Lexus keep ignoring the GS like what they r doing right now, the GS will end up too dated and no one will ever wanted it.... I meant at least add apple CarPlay... even a Honda Civic got more options than the GS
Just bought a 2015 GS F Sport and absolutely love this car! It is hands down, the best car in the segment. Starting my own company after 15 years of driving company cars, so glad to have a car I actually love. I look for reasons to drive it. Brilliant and will last forever!
Am buying a 2015 GS F Sport RWD today. This review was excellent to show that the newer models really haven’t changed all that much so getting into a 2015 seems very reasonable and in some ways even a superior choice, clearly from a fiscal perspective. I agree it’s overall an aging vehicle from a technology standpoint but it is such a wonderful drive.
Congratulations on your GS! A 15 is a steal right now for what they're selling for. No major difference with yours and a 19, just visual differences and 5 more horses
Michael Shain I’ve a IS250 and let me tell you I’m planning to buy a GS 2015 for same reason. I never buy brand new prefer a two years old that will cost me half with 40 k’s and have money for any other gifts.
It's easy to write when company is not at stake. But making a car nobody buys can't be a sustainable business project for a car company. If the nextgen IS really become bigger, there will be no logic reason for a GS anymore, and it's probably the best on a marketing and accountant standpoint. But the place that is left by the GS could be a perfect spot to insert the LM.
I had a 1999 GS300 with 276k miles and just sold it. No issues and bought it CPO in 2000. It had a rear spoiler and pearl white paint... gorgeous car. It is sad to see the GS die. I think Lexus should have turned the GS into a 4 door coupe like the Mercedes CLS and Audi A7.
That would have been a great idea for them to do!!!! Unfortunately they rarely innovate when it comes to vehicle design. They are masters at perfecting things though!
@@KirkKreifels and to follow up 4 months later, is that rumor true or still a rumor?? My daughter sports an IS AWD and would love to have a lil more zoom zoom. Unfortunately, most new buyers are looking for CUV/SUV these days and the manufacturers have to go with what sells and that is the CUV (RX/NX). Not a fan of the UX at all though.
I live in Cali. where they don't sell that well. This is my 3rd GS. I'm in a 2018 now. I enjoy not seeing my car everywhere, but I guess the price I pay is not having them built anymore. They better come out with another rear wheel drive mid sedan, cause I'm not going down to an ES...LOL
Same, I had a 2019 ES as a loaner recently and even though it was 4 years newer than my GS I couldn't WAIT to get my car back! The ES is no comparison to the rear-wheel drive based GS. Worlds apart. I've been driving front wheel drive Mazdas for over 30 years. I really needed a change, and my GS F-Sport AWD really did the trick for me by a long shot! And everyone akways says "Well, they're going to come out with an AWD ES..." and I'm like NO! No comparison.
Another solid review my friend! Keep it up! Totally love this GS and the GS-F. If I didn’t already own the RC, I would seriously look at picking one of these up.
Ahhh I miss my GS!!! Great review. YES I agree I like the way the screen is in the dash! Unless it’s a pop out Nav like Audi A6/A7. It sounds much better than the ES. I would buy an ES if there was an AWD option. The GS is actually the bigger brother of the ES in my opinion. LS is too much for my pocket. We will have to see what will happen in the future for the GS.
Those triple beams are so rare to find on the GS 350 F-Sport AWD and those wheels agreed aren’t my favorite. I have an 07 GS350 AWD originally sold from Lexus of Omaha as a fun fact and I threw some 13-15 GS-Sport wheels on it. It looks beast for being an 11 year old car.
I have an 11 AWD (last of the old style) and I LOVE LOVE LOVE it. I just installed an Android integration unit. I see the new one still has the same cruise control stick. The 11 could have had radar cruise as an option.
@@dontcare563 I say the same thing on other forums too. Nobody can ever cough up details with facts. It's all noise. Meanwhile, it's October, 2019 and Lexus just rolled out the 2020 GS page on their website. :)
Idk why Lexus is discontinuing the GS. My first Lexus was a bubble eye GS300 , which aside from the extra amenities I loved more than the ES350 I have now. I really want an F-Sport GS, hopefully they drop the prices on them soon, since they presumably seem not to be selling so well.
The ES is a yacht it's meant to be comfy The GS is a sports saloon Yes the current es has better technology and features than gs but that's because the gs is essentially from 2012 if you compare the 2012 es to gs the gs is definitely superior they offer different purposes The GS even compare to the new es just seems like a more exquisite vehicle and it is just dates If Lexus updates it I'm sure it will be a seller with good marketing An extra engine options and slighlty cheaper
Ahmed Moosaji If they’ll make an ES F I’ll laugh my ass off. Honestly a fix to grow back sales on this GS is perhaps lower the price while catering to consumers wants
Another commenter called the GS the "Goldilocks" Lexus and I think that is very accurate. So many things about it were "just right". The sales decline has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. If cars are not improved and updated in this very competitive segment, sales are going to go down. There are too many alternatives. I had a 2015 GS350 AWD and was very happy with it. I tried to lease a new GS in the past few months and here's what mattered to me: Lexus killed the residual values so the price went way up. The mileage is so-so and the range is poor. The inside-the-car technology and ergonomics haven budged in years and it's become a disadvantage. It's a very nice car but that's not good enough for something priced in the mid-$50's. The new ES doesn't have AWD. I got a strong deal on a 2018 A6 and have been very happy with the switch. Lexus is not converting customers; they're losing customers.
Very well-written comment. Happy to hear you like your A6! If someone is in the market for GS, I'd push them to a low mileage 2012-2015 as they still look great and are nearly identical to a 2019.
The GS had cutting edge styling in the early 2000's but lately the stying has just been BLAND. The ES actually looks better and has more room. It might be the end of the road for the GS.
This is the goldilocks Lexus for me. It was a smaller LS back it 2012/13 but it's 2019 now so I don't expect it to be anything like the new architecture. I wouldn't expect people to buy these much now since it's out of date in tech but it's their best performance 4 door car
I currently ‘07 GS350 and plan getting either ‘16 or ‘17 GS350 F-Sport. It is the best sport sedan over than ES. ES is like my old Honda Accord sedan in past decades
Is it just me, or does that grille appear to arrive 5 minutes before the rest of the car? A guy at work has one very similar to the one in this video. I rarely see them in Kansas City, though. Tons of the IS & LS in the streets, though. Great video!
Thanks for watching! Yes, the GS is a very small piece of Lexus sales.. The LS sells more. The IS sells WAY more. The ES sells.....better than everything other than the RX at this point in time. haha
You are correct. There wasn't a 2012 model. They went from 2011 to 2013. I learned this a couple days after this review. Thanks for keeping me on my toes!
I’ve got a 2017 rear drive in red in Australia, looks pretty much identical except maybe sits a bit lower than this car, such a perfect highway car and in that sort of traffic it uses the same or less fuel than our Mazda 3! Would be nice if it was a hybrid but it is an exceptional car.
Still love my white on red 2016 GS350 F-Sport that I bought almost four years ago & not replacing it anytime soon, although if I could find one with fairly low miles, I would replace it with a red on tan 2016-18 GS450h, but they're VERY hard to find.
Could you do a video on the paddle shifter shift speed for an IS350 AWD F-Sport, or this GS350 AWD F-Sport? I heard that the 6 speed is kind of slow to shift at low rpms, but somehow shifts faster when you're gunning the car. Thanks.
Bought a used 2014/15 GS350 24000 miles on it: Its been 5 months, put 5000 miles on: Couple of 500+ miles long trips Driving couldn’t have been more fun! I personally love tight steering over traditional light steering- makes it fun and easier to dash between lanes on highways, more feedback and more precise and as Kirk said “instant gratification” So far zero problems, thrilling experience!
I picked up a 2014 gs 350 awd with 29k on in perfect condition a year ago and still love driving it. It took me about 5 months to find one in this condition and low miles. Its amazing how well people keep these cars and have them stored away in garages.
I’ve also got a 2013 GS F Sport with 49K miles on it. Bought it in 2012. The air conditioning just broke ($2K to fix per Lexus service 🤦♀️). Going to go ahead and trade her in for the 19 model and pray it is not the last one. Love the GS F Sport so much!! The IS felt tiny and GS is just perfect in size!!
CarsofGlasgow thank you. My 13 is liquid platinum I believe. The dealer is ordering Obsidian/black with black and red interior. I’m very excited!!! They are shipping it here from 4 states away so I should take possession of it Thursday or Friday. 😊
The GS is (was) an example of old school Japanese luxury, or Toyotas attempt to beat the Germans at their own game. I'd say they succeeded and then some. Of course unlike the Euro luxury cars, the GS will continue starting and running normally long after the warranty ends, and same for most of the electronic bits and bobs. Sadly I don't think Toyota can make a case for a true GS replacement, I can see them likely just making the next IS a little bit larger and covering both segments with one car. My fear is when (if) the IS and GS are replaced it will be cheapened in some ways...see the Crown we get here in the states vs past models. Anyway, the GS was a great car, sad to see it go the way of the Dodo, and hope the Lexus bean counters see a business case for bringing it back. It was the perfect IS alternative for those people who needed a bit more backseat space or wanted a more luxurious experience without giving up too much driving enjoyment by going to an ES.
Lexus needs to do something about their brand - be quicker to adopt Apple Carplay/Android Auto. Get their own version of self-park mode (a-la-BMW). Where are the plug-in hybrids? Include maintenance in their vehicle prices. What about digital dashboards (like Audi/Mercedes/BMW/Tesla)? What about updating more features for Lexus Enform? Test all of their cars (including the ES) on the Nurburgring. If Genesis can do that, why not Lexus? To make it REALLY stand out, why not Japanese delivery (similar to what BMW has for European Delivery)?
LEXUriouS Kirk do you think we can retrofit the new push to start button from the 2019 RC onto our 2018 Gs fsport please if you can let me know thanks.
Kirk - just curious, since you said you don't sell many GS: does your dealership keep one in the showroom? When I sat in mine (which actually was the on-floor display at a dealer about a half-hour away), it was a no-brainer that that was what I was going with. Yet the dealer closest to my house doesn't keep one for people to look at, which I don't understand. Of course they're not going to sell if Lexus is actively pushing other models, hiding these out on the lot, and not doing a re-design for 8 years...
I really wished they would've just done the same thing with the GS as they did with the IS. I know that they will soon replace it because Lexus is know to take a car off of the market for a couple years and bring it back but it is sad to see it go because this will be the last midsize RWD Lexus that isn't electrified in some way. This car has just had such a good reputation that it seems dumb that they are just allowing Genesis to swoop in and take their market for inexpensive reliable luxury.
@@KirkKreifels yeah I was wondering about that too. You are getting a lot of sun glare which washes out your video. I'm wondering if you have greasy fingerprints on your camera's lens.
I did that but MAN, I spent over 4 months searching for one! It got to the point where I was considering buying a one-way plane ticket and drive it across the US back to Massachusetts if I could only find one in Seattle or something... but I lucked out and found one right here in the Boston area, not far from my job. Phew! I hope you found something - they're rare on used lots and at Lexus dealers as CPO. Well, if you're picky about options that is. I was gunning for an AWD in Platinum or Atomic Silver with the Cabernet or Flaxen interior, with the Cold Weather package. I ended up with Platinum Silver, Cabernet, no CWP but WITH the pop up headlight washers. Love this thing!
No😎! F sport can be added to any GS model like the m package and amg package in Mercedes and BMW such as a 530 with M package or an E300 with Amg package. GS F is like a M5 or E63Amg.
We don't get any where I work. In fact there is no luxury package to my knowledge in America. We get GS 350 AWD with navigation, premium, and cold weather package. the f sport we get with all the options you can get on the AWD model.
I have a 2013 GS with the luxury package, it comes with the adaptable suspension like the F Sport. 18 way seats driver and passenger and has radio and temperature controls in the arm rest in the backseat. There kinda hard to find especially 2016 and above.
I'm a gs350 2010 owner and I'm so glad I got it way back then and still driving it. I like the newer model before this model bc this new model's front and back is pretty ugly for me.
We will see an ES AWD. That won't replace the GS, it'll just help push it out the door. A new redesigned IS will make it bigger to fill the shoes of the outgoing GS...just my thoughts, no confirmation though.
Rear seat practicality is bad is the GS for the size of the car. I was hoping for 3 passenger seating but there is huge bump in the middle. For that price and size I would expect it to seat 5 adults comfortably. Otherwise I would love to own a gs.
If Lexus was serious about an exciting, performance image like they're trying to do. I don't think it would be a good idea to kill off this line, but money talks and they aren't making much money from these cars.
In my opinion, GS has always got the best balance in all the Lexus, especially compared to the ES, the driving dynamics r just much much better. But too bad that the GS is too small and too expensive for a family sedan and overall not enough to compete with the Germans. Lexus basically gave up on the GS otherwise they would’ve at least added apply CarPlay long time ago. I meant in 2019 Lexus still doesn’t offer apple CarPlay on its more sporty line up (IS, GS not even GSF)just upsets me as an 2017 IS owner.
As an IS owner, how do you find the GS too small? Also, the new ES really handles admirably compared to the GS. Yes it's still FWD, but it is an incredible ride that is much smoother and quieter than a GS. Try it out if you're in the market. If you want something sportier consider the ES F sport. No the ES isn't a direct successor to the GS, but it's better in every way other than RWD/AWD driving mechanics.
Kirk Kreifels I tried both, because the ES is based on an Avalon, the ES got much more space than a GS. This is also why the ES is selling and GS r not. I am not saying that the GS is too small compared to an IS, what I meant is compared to the 5 series and E, GS is too small. And I already tried the new ES F sport. Yes it is much better than the old one but compared the GS, no. The difference are huge when u compare a Transverse engine and a longitudinal one.
..I hate to say about 4 yrs ago I traded mine in for a pre owned LS460. I'm getting older and want the more cushy ride now. When I want to go fast, I take my NINJA 650 out for a cruise.
@@KirkKreifels ..GREAT VIDEO by the way, and one of the reasons I heard the GS may be discontinued is that North America is Toyota and LEXUS' biggest market and like you say the GS sales over the past 3 yrs just weren't up to par. And also like you said, I hear that in 2 or 3 years the ES will probably have all wheel drive, so it makes no sense to have 2 cars competing with each other that are the same size.
@@KirkKreifels ...I kind of figured that. It's a shame because the GS is built on such an excellent platform ! - I see you're a SCOTTY KILMER fan also !!
I have this same 2018 FSport car. It’s my second after my 2015 Gs350 . They have both been the two best cars I have ever had. I am hoping for a 2020 model unchanged I am not into all the tech stuff . Just the safety factors I will buy the next one should they make it. Other wise they lose me as a customer. No choice Driving the new ES vs this is apples to oranges. ES is couch on wheels.
Hi, you mentioned as a comparison the RX several times. I own a GS, but my opinion is that the RX is the GS killer. When my GS is getting serviced, I always opt for the RX as the loaner.vehicle. I absolutely love my GS, but if Lexus makes a better transmission for the RX, I will get an RX next time. The RX had more room, it sits a bit higher, Very smooth, and ultra quiet ride, and cheaper. Thanks for the review. I will continue to watch
i hope they will sell it again to europe with its GS450h !! We only get underpowered ES300h :-( ANd i personally dont need anything of thisnew shit like Alexa or apps....no smartphone, no hurry ! ...just relaxing
Awww, the GS has always been my favorite Lexus sedan! You're absolutely right they aren't going to continue it, its clear by the aged tech in this car they are finished evolving it. What an interior tho, the faceted panels are lovely. I agree 100% that the side section needed some work to match the face and those lovely taillights, but sadly all seems irrelevant now. I also love that 2015 you showed, like the 2013 LX we both like it has those cool little fangs that only lasted a few years. Best design to me.
There is so many things wrong with the looks of this car after the refresh - Ugly predator grille, ugly wheels, huge wheel gap and horrible stance that makes it look awkward. Add the fact that its underpowered compared to the turbo 6s in the competition and horrible lease rates.....Sad day as I was a long time owner of a 2nd Gen GS.
I have an 11, a third gen. I hate the new grille and I also like the touchscreen I have. They sell a factory integration Android box and it works perfectly.
Your comment about other auto manufactures focusing on crossovers is true, but please don't defend Lexus as Mercedes,BMW,AUDI, Hyundai and Jaguar who don't even sell the volumes Lexus does have all created Updated or Brand new midsize sport sedans. Lexus is in a tight spot I get it, but they can't expect buyers to be knocking the showroom floor down for a car designed in 2011 and updated 3 years ago to be flying off the lots. Build a new one for there customers or tell us "NO" so we can go lease from the Germans. Simple!
No one in the comments mentioned that the GS was a huge competitor against the Audi A6 in its earlier years! The GS is so underrated and underappreciated, but this will outlast all the germans! Period.
Gio S6 I own a 430 to me it’s a lot nicer than the newer version V8 sounds so good 😊
Fusiongang V6 This car is going down fast. like he said It does not sell anymore and it has been surpassed by many cars for less money.
My philosophy on Audi is this: Buy or own one while in the warranty period. Bail on it after that. Lexus , BUY or own forever as you'll barely ever use that warranty.
Who cares if it lasts, people gets the Germans for joy, and doesn’t matter how hard people try to make a sewing machine to run, it can’t compare to a plane running on the ground
Gio S6 yea outlast the germans we know that but my question is where is the engine horsepower? These cars alll lack horesepower my ideal is 350 horsepower baseline
I bought a 16' GS350 earlier this year and I miss it every time I jump into something else. What a car. It is butter smooth, but when you need to tackle a back road....she'll do it!
The GS isn't going to be discontinued! Thank goodness because I love this car. Lexus of USA confirmed that with me on instagram.
Oh this brings me great joy!!!
I hope you/they are right about that!! I absolutely love my GS F Sport!!
@@kirsteno8526 Absolutely stunning design than other F-Sport sedans!
But if Lexus keep ignoring the GS like what they r doing right now, the GS will end up too dated and no one will ever wanted it.... I meant at least add apple CarPlay... even a Honda Civic got more options than the GS
It HAS been replaced with the ES which is a different car
Just bought a 2015 GS F Sport and absolutely love this car! It is hands down, the best car in the segment. Starting my own company after 15 years of driving company cars, so glad to have a car I actually love. I look for reasons to drive it. Brilliant and will last forever!
The best Lexus sedan !!
Am buying a 2015 GS F Sport RWD today. This review was excellent to show that the newer models really haven’t changed all that much so getting into a 2015 seems very reasonable and in some ways even a superior choice, clearly from a fiscal perspective. I agree it’s overall an aging vehicle from a technology standpoint but it is such a wonderful drive.
Congratulations on your GS! A 15 is a steal right now for what they're selling for. No major difference with yours and a 19, just visual differences and 5 more horses
Please post pics and videos of it! Do an initial impression review, 6 month review and 1 year review! There's not enough GS enthusiasts around here 😍😍
Michael Shain I’ve a IS250 and let me tell you I’m planning to buy a GS 2015 for same reason. I never buy brand new prefer a two years old that will cost me half with 40 k’s and have money for any other gifts.
How many miles does the car have , that you will purchase
Bought a 2013 and love it. As solid as the vehicle there’s really no need to spend a ton to get a great car.
They should not discontinue! I saw the Es and it’s nice but it can’t go against the 5 series or e class. It’s not even a rear wheel drive
Exactly 💯💯💯 there is no fun in the ES we definitely need the GS 🙏
I agree, RWD is the best
It's easy to write when company is not at stake. But making a car nobody buys can't be a sustainable business project for a car company.
If the nextgen IS really become bigger, there will be no logic reason for a GS anymore, and it's probably the best on a marketing and accountant standpoint.
But the place that is left by the GS could be a perfect spot to insert the LM.
People keep saying this car isn't selling but I see it every where in Florida.
Florida is a strange place where Porsches are common and Bentley is a daily occurrence.
I see it everywhere in NJ too lol
Yes, I saw it everywhere too here in Orlando
hmm that's weird, i only see the 2013-2015 models more
Different market! It’s very common car in Korea Too!
I had a 1999 GS300 with 276k miles and just sold it. No issues and bought it CPO in 2000. It had a rear spoiler and pearl white paint... gorgeous car. It is sad to see the GS die. I think Lexus should have turned the GS into a 4 door coupe like the Mercedes CLS and Audi A7.
That would have been a great idea for them to do!!!! Unfortunately they rarely innovate when it comes to vehicle design. They are masters at perfecting things though!
This car don't look dated.. it has aged very well...
I'm a proud owner of a 2015 Lexus GS 350 F Sport. I absolutely love this car!!
as an owner of Gs it is really sad to kill such a car ..who's gonna fight E or 5 series !!! ES NO WAY
Rumor is the IS will get a little bigger and the 3.5 TT from the LS will be inserted.
@@KirkKreifels If that actually happens things will change for Lexus big time. That would be truly wicked.
Ghost Walker I’m sad as well I’m also a gs sport owner. Time to trade in and I do t know what to do!!! Are the GS F’s also leaving? Do you know?
@@KirkKreifels and to follow up 4 months later, is that rumor true or still a rumor?? My daughter sports an IS AWD and would love to have a lil more zoom zoom. Unfortunately, most new buyers are looking for CUV/SUV these days and the manufacturers have to go with what sells and that is the CUV (RX/NX). Not a fan of the UX at all though.
They should put the 3.5TT on the GS and 5.0 V8 on LS
The GS is and always has been the only Lexus I've been interested in (save for maybe the worst gen SC). Haircut looks good.
Love my GS... I keep hoping Lexus will surprise us with a refresh!
I guess 2015 will be a steal
Agreed - I love the GS - I was hoping they would have put the LS's dual turbo in the 2019 version. Still hoping....
I live in Cali. where they don't sell that well. This is my 3rd GS. I'm in a 2018 now. I enjoy not seeing my car everywhere, but I guess the price I pay is not having them built anymore. They better come out with another rear wheel drive mid sedan, cause I'm not going down to an ES...LOL
Same, I had a 2019 ES as a loaner recently and even though it was 4 years newer than my GS I couldn't WAIT to get my car back! The ES is no comparison to the rear-wheel drive based GS. Worlds apart. I've been driving front wheel drive Mazdas for over 30 years. I really needed a change, and my GS F-Sport AWD really did the trick for me by a long shot! And everyone akways says "Well, they're going to come out with an AWD ES..." and I'm like NO! No comparison.
Another solid review my friend! Keep it up! Totally love this GS and the GS-F. If I didn’t already own the RC, I would seriously look at picking one of these up.
Thanks for watching!
Pick up a GSF if you can
Will be a very wanted car in the near future and a future classic
Man I love my GS350 2015! I was really looking forward to to redesign on the GS
It's not looking good for the GS. but miracles can happen!
Ahhh I miss my GS!!! Great review. YES I agree I like the way the screen is in the dash! Unless it’s a pop out Nav like Audi A6/A7. It sounds much better than the ES. I would buy an ES if there was an AWD option. The GS is actually the bigger brother of the ES in my opinion. LS is too much for my pocket. We will have to see what will happen in the future for the GS.
By far my favorite loaner car at Lexus. My son loves this car.
Still loving my 18 F Sport, almost seems like yesterday when I bought it new.
Those triple beams are so rare to find on the GS 350 F-Sport AWD and those wheels agreed aren’t my favorite. I have an 07 GS350 AWD originally sold from Lexus of Omaha as a fun fact and I threw some 13-15 GS-Sport wheels on it. It looks beast for being an 11 year old car.
Almost all the F Sport GS 350's we get have the triple beams :)
If you're still in Omaha, I'd love to review your car! It sounds like a champ.
LEXUriouS Kirk Lucky ducks! Sorry but I live in Denver, Colorado but I can send you some photos for you to see!
@@michaelxiong5395 lexuriouskirk@gmail.com thanks man!
@@KirkKreifels Alright! Photos sent! :)
I have an 11 AWD (last of the old style) and I LOVE LOVE LOVE it. I just installed an Android integration unit. I see the new one still has the same cruise control stick. The 11 could have had radar cruise as an option.
It's sucks that they gonna discontinued this. When need a 5 series and E class Fighter. And that ES is not gonna do the job 😒
No but a future IS could carry the load. Who know!?
They have never announced they are discontinuing the car. Where did you hear this?
Completely different cars.
@@dontcare563 I say the same thing on other forums too. Nobody can ever cough up details with facts. It's all noise. Meanwhile, it's October, 2019 and Lexus just rolled out the 2020 GS page on their website. :)
Yes, for 2020. It's not in the 2021 roadmap
Idk why Lexus is discontinuing the GS. My first Lexus was a bubble eye GS300 , which aside from the extra amenities I loved more than the ES350 I have now. I really want an F-Sport GS, hopefully they drop the prices on them soon, since they presumably seem not to be selling so well.
Sales are abysmal on the GS currently. I love the car, but it's a tough money maker in today's world.
The ES is a yacht it's meant to be comfy
The GS is a sports saloon
Yes the current es has better technology and features than gs but that's because the gs is essentially from 2012 if you compare the 2012 es to gs the gs is definitely superior they offer different purposes
The GS even compare to the new es just seems like a more exquisite vehicle and it is just dates
If Lexus updates it
I'm sure it will be a seller with good marketing
An extra engine options and slighlty cheaper
Ahmed Moosaji If they’ll make an ES F I’ll laugh my ass off. Honestly a fix to grow back sales on this GS is perhaps lower the price while catering to consumers wants
Another commenter called the GS the "Goldilocks" Lexus and I think that is very accurate. So many things about it were "just right". The sales decline has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. If cars are not improved and updated in this very competitive segment, sales are going to go down. There are too many alternatives. I had a 2015 GS350 AWD and was very happy with it. I tried to lease a new GS in the past few months and here's what mattered to me: Lexus killed the residual values so the price went way up. The mileage is so-so and the range is poor. The inside-the-car technology and ergonomics haven budged in years and it's become a disadvantage. It's a very nice car but that's not good enough for something priced in the mid-$50's. The new ES doesn't have AWD. I got a strong deal on a 2018 A6 and have been very happy with the switch. Lexus is not converting customers; they're losing customers.
Very well-written comment. Happy to hear you like your A6! If someone is in the market for GS, I'd push them to a low mileage 2012-2015 as they still look great and are nearly identical to a 2019.
what a beautiful machine. soon I will own one. (currently have ‘09 GS 350 awd).
The GS had cutting edge styling in the early 2000's but lately the stying has just been BLAND. The ES actually looks better and has more room. It might be the end of the road for the GS.
This is the goldilocks Lexus for me. It was a smaller LS back it 2012/13 but it's 2019 now so I don't expect it to be anything like the new architecture. I wouldn't expect people to buy these much now since it's out of date in tech but it's their best performance 4 door car
I totally agree. However, this GS puts a statement for lexus that from that day when it was revealed they will NEVER make boring looking cars.
got my 19 GS350 FSport in Ultra White last Thanksgiving and LOVE it!!
Congratulations! It looks stellar in ultra white!
Just got 2019 gs350 f sport ultrasonic blue! Love this car.
How are you loving the car 4 years later ?
I currently ‘07 GS350 and plan getting either ‘16 or ‘17 GS350 F-Sport. It is the best sport sedan over than ES. ES is like my old Honda Accord sedan in past decades
Thanks for sharing! Hope you find the right GS!
Kirk Kreifels No problem 😊
Is it just me, or does that grille appear to arrive 5 minutes before the rest of the car? A guy at work has one very similar to the one in this video. I rarely see them in Kansas City, though. Tons of the IS & LS in the streets, though. Great video!
Thanks for watching! Yes, the GS is a very small piece of Lexus sales.. The LS sells more. The IS sells WAY more. The ES sells.....better than everything other than the RX at this point in time. haha
0:33 This generation actually started 2013 not 2011
This generation was debuted in August 2011 as a 2012 model. Thanks for watching.
LEXUriouS Kirk In the US or Canada? I was referring to the US, and referring to the sales year model
@@KirkKreifels I thought it debuted as a 2013 model...just sold in 2012
You are correct. There wasn't a 2012 model. They went from 2011 to 2013. I learned this a couple days after this review. Thanks for keeping me on my toes!
LEXUriouS Kirk not a problem🙃😊
Thanks for the review, mine is coming in on Friday!!
I’ve got a 2017 rear drive in red in Australia, looks pretty much identical except maybe sits a bit lower than this car, such a perfect highway car and in that sort of traffic it uses the same or less fuel than our Mazda 3! Would be nice if it was a hybrid but it is an exceptional car.
Yours sounds like it might be RWD...which is going to get better mpg on the hwy!
Thanks for watching from down under!
Still love my white on red 2016 GS350 F-Sport that I bought almost four years ago & not replacing it anytime soon, although if I could find one with fairly low miles, I would replace it with a red on tan 2016-18 GS450h, but they're VERY hard to find.
It’ll be sad to see her go. Lexus really dropped the ball here
Could you do a video on the paddle shifter shift speed for an IS350 AWD F-Sport, or this GS350 AWD F-Sport? I heard that the 6 speed is kind of slow to shift at low rpms, but somehow shifts faster when you're gunning the car. Thanks.
Bought a used 2014/15 GS350 24000 miles on it:
Its been 5 months, put 5000 miles on:
Couple of 500+ miles long trips
Driving couldn’t have been more fun!
I personally love tight steering over traditional light steering- makes it fun and easier to dash between lanes on highways, more feedback and more precise and as Kirk said “instant gratification”
So far zero problems, thrilling experience!
CONGRATS!!!
I picked up a 2014 gs 350 awd with 29k on in perfect condition a year ago and still love driving it. It took me about 5 months to find one in this condition and low miles. Its amazing how well people keep these cars and have them stored away in garages.
Mike B mine’s been with me for over 18 months, no problems so far and still going strong
There's a reason lexus and toyota don't use turbo in their main segment. If they did their shares would plummet, with their reliability.
NX and LS both have turbos...
I have a 2013 GS F sport only put 44k on it so far. I wish Lexus would keep it. The ES looks nice too but I like the rear wheel drive
The new ES is a good looking car, I just reviewed one for my channel and I liked it :)
I’ve also got a 2013 GS F Sport with 49K miles on it. Bought it in 2012. The air conditioning just broke ($2K to fix per Lexus service 🤦♀️). Going to go ahead and trade her in for the 19 model and pray it is not the last one. Love the GS F Sport so much!! The IS felt tiny and GS is just perfect in size!!
@@kirsteno8526Sorry to hear, what colour are you thinking? I like the sonic titanium Lexus do
CarsofGlasgow thank you. My 13 is liquid platinum I believe. The dealer is ordering Obsidian/black with black and red interior. I’m very excited!!! They are shipping it here from 4 states away so I should take possession of it Thursday or Friday. 😊
@@kirsteno8526 Oh awesome! Excited for you!
The GS is (was) an example of old school Japanese luxury, or Toyotas attempt to beat the Germans at their own game. I'd say they succeeded and then some. Of course unlike the Euro luxury cars, the GS will continue starting and running normally long after the warranty ends, and same for most of the electronic bits and bobs. Sadly I don't think Toyota can make a case for a true GS replacement, I can see them likely just making the next IS a little bit larger and covering both segments with one car. My fear is when (if) the IS and GS are replaced it will be cheapened in some ways...see the Crown we get here in the states vs past models. Anyway, the GS was a great car, sad to see it go the way of the Dodo, and hope the Lexus bean counters see a business case for bringing it back. It was the perfect IS alternative for those people who needed a bit more backseat space or wanted a more luxurious experience without giving up too much driving enjoyment by going to an ES.
I don’t think the interior looks dated at all. I prefer that interior to a lot of car models that just came out.
Lexus needs to do something about their brand - be quicker to adopt Apple Carplay/Android Auto. Get their own version of self-park mode (a-la-BMW). Where are the plug-in hybrids? Include maintenance in their vehicle prices. What about digital dashboards (like Audi/Mercedes/BMW/Tesla)? What about updating more features for Lexus Enform? Test all of their cars (including the ES) on the Nurburgring. If Genesis can do that, why not Lexus?
To make it REALLY stand out, why not Japanese delivery (similar to what BMW has for European Delivery)?
All good ideas
I only wish they give us an update for apple carplay for the 2018
Not a chance in the world. Sorry bud, they would have to redesign the whole car to do that...and there's a very small chance of that happening.
LEXUriouS Kirk do you think we can retrofit the new push to start button from the 2019 RC onto our 2018 Gs fsport please if you can let me know thanks.
@@tommy13965 I wouldn't attempt such a feat!
Perhaps the GS will get a redesign in 2020. It’s been 7 years now(2013 was redesign)
@@saltie.7783 I'd give that a 1% chance of happening. There's still hope since they haven't officially said anything.
I wish they would bring it back 😒 get rid of ES!
Kirk - just curious, since you said you don't sell many GS: does your dealership keep one in the showroom? When I sat in mine (which actually was the on-floor display at a dealer about a half-hour away), it was a no-brainer that that was what I was going with. Yet the dealer closest to my house doesn't keep one for people to look at, which I don't understand. Of course they're not going to sell if Lexus is actively pushing other models, hiding these out on the lot, and not doing a re-design for 8 years...
We currently have one on the floor. I'd say we do most of the time.
Hey Mr. Kirk in you opinion which is a better driving choice the AWD(6 spd trans variant)or theRWD(8 speed variant) regarding accelerating mosyly?
6 speed AWD has a mean downshift similar to the wonderful 90s vehicles. The 8 speed is a lot more calm.
Hi Kirk. At what rpm point will you start to hear the aggressive induction sound on this car?
If I remember correctly, 3500-4000
I really wished they would've just done the same thing with the GS as they did with the IS. I know that they will soon replace it because Lexus is know to take a car off of the market for a couple years and bring it back but it is sad to see it go because this will be the last midsize RWD Lexus that isn't electrified in some way. This car has just had such a good reputation that it seems dumb that they are just allowing Genesis to swoop in and take their market for inexpensive reliable luxury.
Are you using a phone to record your videos? What is it?
Pixel 2 XL
@@KirkKreifels yeah I was wondering about that too. You are getting a lot of sun glare which washes out your video. I'm wondering if you have greasy fingerprints on your camera's lens.
If they stop building this car we are doomed
For the record, no one wants to look at the driver while you're taking a test drive!!
He straight up fondled that seat......
I'm going with a 2015 certified pre-owned
I did that but MAN, I spent over 4 months searching for one! It got to the point where I was considering buying a one-way plane ticket and drive it across the US back to Massachusetts if I could only find one in Seattle or something... but I lucked out and found one right here in the Boston area, not far from my job. Phew! I hope you found something - they're rare on used lots and at Lexus dealers as CPO. Well, if you're picky about options that is. I was gunning for an AWD in Platinum or Atomic Silver with the Cabernet or Flaxen interior, with the Cold Weather package. I ended up with Platinum Silver, Cabernet, no CWP but WITH the pop up headlight washers. Love this thing!
Is the Lexus IS350 f sport a little faster than the GS 350? Because of the weight??
They should be almost identical in 0-60. Thanks for watching.
LEXUriouS Kirk Yeah just checked the specs on the Lexus page.. IS350 5.7 0-60
Gs350 5.8 0-60
I've raced an IS350... Neck on Neck
Emeka Iheanacho IS350 should be slightly faster.. Little lighter.. same power
The engine in this car sounds SO. GOOD.
Hi, so is GSF the same as GS F Sport? Cause on the new 2019 ES. I see there is an ES F Sport trim but they don’t call it ESF. Thoughts?
GS F is a $80,000+ performance machine. All F Sports are mainly trim packages with some of them having adaptive variable suspension.
No😎! F sport can be added to any GS model like the m package and amg package in Mercedes and BMW such as a 530 with M package or an E300 with Amg package. GS F is like a M5 or E63Amg.
It’s just sad to think about what that gs could be??? Lexus doesn’t give a shit about that car anymore and it shows!! 🤦♂️
Good vids man, would you be able to do a tour of the 2019 GSF?
If I had access to one I totally would!
Это в какой стране? В России перестали продавать gs с 2015 года
Have you reviewed any GS350's with the luxury package?
We don't get any where I work. In fact there is no luxury package to my knowledge in America. We get GS 350 AWD with navigation, premium, and cold weather package. the f sport we get with all the options you can get on the AWD model.
I have a 2013 GS with the luxury package, it comes with the adaptable suspension like the F Sport. 18 way seats driver and passenger and has radio and temperature controls in the arm rest in the backseat. There kinda hard to find especially 2016 and above.
@@denoreed9514 Wow! I'd love to see one. Sounds like a baby LS. The new ES is very much a baby LS...just without AWD or RWD.
Check this one out. ua-cam.com/video/njPA2RrgGN4/v-deo.html
@@denoreed9514 that rear passenger climate control and heated seats is amazing!!! Thanks fir sharing.
Great honest review. Thx. It was a great car once.
Thanks for watching! It'll be missed if they kill it.
Yeah well these are the same guys that discontinued the Supra
Just got 2016 gs350 f sport RWD with same color and everything. I drove cla45 amg before this one so obviously slower but I like it very much.
I'm a gs350 2010 owner and I'm so glad I got it way back then and still driving it. I like the newer model before this model bc this new model's front and back is pretty ugly for me.
I'm a Lexus tech, and I've heard they are going to keep the GS? Am I wrong?
Welcome to the lexurious fleet! It's still a possibility that they keep it. All signs are point to its demise in the next couple years.
The GS has always been my favorite. I'll get over it if they will make the new generation ES awd.
We will see an ES AWD. That won't replace the GS, it'll just help push it out the door. A new redesigned IS will make it bigger to fill the shoes of the outgoing GS...just my thoughts, no confirmation though.
redman112010 yes, they are keeping the GS
Guess our GSF gonna be unicorn one day lol !!!
I'm dying to drive one! Congratulations on your amazing GS F
Price???
Rear seat practicality is bad is the GS for the size of the car. I was hoping for 3 passenger seating but there is huge bump in the middle. For that price and size I would expect it to seat 5 adults comfortably. Otherwise I would love to own a gs.
5 adults comfortably isn't easy in any sedan. Rx 350 I would recommend for that.
I believe the es can seat 5 comfortably. GS seating in terms of rear space seemed smaller than my g35 6mt sedan.
@@ks1ngh27 2019 ES has amazing rear space. They nailed that car .. just needs AWD.
It is strange how the USA doesn't get the highest powered cars from a brand?
We often do. The GS hybrid is strange being omitted in North America this year. But why keep making a trim that doesn't sell
If Lexus was serious about an exciting, performance image like they're trying to do. I don't think it would be a good idea to kill off this line, but money talks and they aren't making much money from these cars.
Hopefully a new IS is the answer if this car dies.
I love this car
I need to go to Japan and talk some sense to the engineers we need the iS-F & GS-F 😭🤧😩
Tha Lexus Specialist I did that, 2 years ago. That was the first time when I was informed that Gs would be discontiniued.
Please do. While your there tell them to add more power to the GS350 :)
learn japanese 1st
In my opinion, GS has always got the best balance in all the Lexus, especially compared to the ES, the driving dynamics r just much much better. But too bad that the GS is too small and too expensive for a family sedan and overall not enough to compete with the Germans. Lexus basically gave up on the GS otherwise they would’ve at least added apply CarPlay long time ago. I meant in 2019 Lexus still doesn’t offer apple CarPlay on its more sporty line up (IS, GS not even GSF)just upsets me as an 2017 IS owner.
As an IS owner, how do you find the GS too small?
Also, the new ES really handles admirably compared to the GS. Yes it's still FWD, but it is an incredible ride that is much smoother and quieter than a GS. Try it out if you're in the market. If you want something sportier consider the ES F sport. No the ES isn't a direct successor to the GS, but it's better in every way other than RWD/AWD driving mechanics.
Kirk Kreifels I tried both, because the ES is based on an Avalon, the ES got much more space than a GS. This is also why the ES is selling and GS r not. I am not saying that the GS is too small compared to an IS, what I meant is compared to the 5 series and E, GS is too small. And I already tried the new ES F sport. Yes it is much better than the old one but compared the GS, no. The difference are huge when u compare a Transverse engine and a longitudinal one.
..I hate to say about 4 yrs ago I traded mine in for a pre owned LS460. I'm getting older and want the more cushy ride now. When I want to go fast, I take my NINJA 650 out for a cruise.
I can't argue with that! I want to get back into riding again someday.
@@KirkKreifels ..GREAT VIDEO by the way, and one of the reasons I heard the GS may be discontinued is that North America is Toyota and LEXUS' biggest market and like you say the GS sales over the past 3 yrs just weren't up to par. And also like you said, I hear that in 2 or 3 years the ES will probably have all wheel drive, so it makes no sense to have 2 cars competing with each other that are the same size.
@@PopsRacer61 AWD in the ES is more likely a year away!
@@KirkKreifels ...I kind of figured that. It's a shame because the GS is built on such an excellent platform !
- I see you're a SCOTTY KILMER fan also !!
My current GS 350 is my second, and I absolutely love it. Sad to hear Lexus IS canning it☹️
It's not confirmed yet...but seems likely. Great car, just not that relevant in today's market.
I have this same 2018 FSport car. It’s my second after my 2015 Gs350 . They have both been the two best cars I have ever had.
I am hoping for a 2020 model unchanged I am not into all the tech stuff . Just the safety factors I will buy the next one should they make it. Other wise they lose me as a customer. No choice Driving the new ES vs this is apples to oranges. ES is couch on wheels.
A bigger IS might fit the bill :)
Why GS is dying?
It's my hunch due to poor sales and lack of innovation
@@KirkKreifels So what is the best selling Lexus ?
@@Tomek_Zyla RX easily...in America anyways
Hi, you mentioned as a comparison the RX several times. I own a GS, but my opinion is that the RX is the GS killer. When my GS is getting serviced, I always opt for the RX as the loaner.vehicle. I absolutely love my GS, but if Lexus makes a better transmission for the RX, I will get an RX next time. The RX had more room, it sits a bit higher, Very smooth, and ultra quiet ride, and cheaper. Thanks for the review. I will continue to watch
The RX is fantastic. Go for the RX hybrid and you won't have the transmission issue
i hope they will sell it again to europe with its GS450h !! We only get underpowered ES300h :-( ANd i personally dont need anything of thisnew shit like Alexa or apps....no smartphone, no hurry ! ...just relaxing
Biggest problem I found with this video, is that it sound like you’re complaining about that car. This is the best car Lexus makes.
The car has many things to be improved upon compared to its more up to date siblings.
No you’re wrong the Lexus GS F has 467 hp 5.0 I own one I bought it for 50k used 2018
13:38 "For old people to get in" lol
Wait a minute! No apple car play? 😅 damn.
Cute hair cut...I love my 2013 GS f sport
I think the wheels suit the car... Lexus to me says “ bold, a little aggressive, and classy “.
No touch screen in 2019
It's strange because my 2004 Lexus LS430 has a touchscreen
I am debating between this GS 350 f sport awd model and the GS 350 f sport rwd. Is this awd model still rwd bias?
Yes rwd bias
Damn this makes me miss my gs even more
I'm looking to get a 2019 or 2020 GS350 Fsport Awd. What do you drive, and would you still recommend the GS based on experiences?
I love the geese! They make me happy too! :D Excellent review on the GS!
Thanks! Good to see you.
some buttons in Lexus and Toyota looks afterthought to me ... especially memory seats buttons and heated seats buttons ... not attention to detail
Lexus discontinued the GS450h for 2019. Mainly because no one even bought them.
Yep. And for the fact they didn't make hardly any to begin with and they were proceed too high.
Awww, the GS has always been my favorite Lexus sedan! You're absolutely right they aren't going to continue it, its clear by the aged tech in this car they are finished evolving it. What an interior tho, the faceted panels are lovely. I agree 100% that the side section needed some work to match the face and those lovely taillights, but sadly all seems irrelevant now.
I also love that 2015 you showed, like the 2013 LX we both like it has those cool little fangs that only lasted a few years. Best design to me.
The 15 F sports look really awesome. They also have faaaar better-looking wheels than the lame ones on the 2016-2019.
You guys kill me saying aged tech the only thing the GS is missing is that Apple carplay crap
@@4theloveofytube I actually agree with you, I didn't need to add anything to my '04 LX aside from an AUX-in for Pandora app from my phone. lol
There is so many things wrong with the looks of this car after the refresh - Ugly predator grille, ugly wheels, huge wheel gap and horrible stance that makes it look awkward. Add the fact that its underpowered compared to the turbo 6s in the competition and horrible lease rates.....Sad day as I was a long time owner of a 2nd Gen GS.
I do agree with underpowered for the segment. It needs something between this and the GS F that doesn't cost nearly $80k like the GS F.
I have an 11, a third gen. I hate the new grille and I also like the touchscreen I have. They sell a factory integration Android box and it works perfectly.
Your comment about other auto manufactures focusing on crossovers is true, but please don't defend Lexus as Mercedes,BMW,AUDI, Hyundai and Jaguar who don't even sell the volumes Lexus does have all created Updated or Brand new midsize sport sedans. Lexus is in a tight spot I get it, but they can't expect buyers to be knocking the showroom floor down for a car designed in 2011 and updated 3 years ago to be flying off the lots. Build a new one for there customers or tell us "NO" so we can go lease from the Germans. Simple!
Good arguments. GS F should get updated and a price cut IMO. Or just make the IS a little bigger and put TT v6 inside. Cheers.
I love this model, I never liked the headlights I hate them
Lack of horsepower .. 3.7 liter twin turbo needed with 8 speed transmission. Sportback like BMW grand coupe like. With Lexus reliablity
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Well, looking forward for the new IS in 2020, instead.