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Talking ETA vs In House Movements, Grand Seiko and More! Hangin' With Hans
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2017
- Talking ETA vs In House Movements, Grand Seiko and More! Hangin' With Hans
In today's episode of Federico Talks Watches we are hanging out with master watchmaker Hans. We talk about everything from ETA movements, in house movement, Grand Seiko spring drive and a lot more. Breitling and IWC movements are also discussed. Hans is an amazing master watchmaker that does all the service for us at Delray Watch Supply. Show him some love in the comment section below.
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Just noticed I misspelt *defective in the opening screen... Today is not going well lol! :D
You are awesome , dude .
This was an excellent episode! Hans' explanations of the questions were great. Please have Hans on more often as his insights are enlightening. Thanks Hans!
Mike V Thank you for watching.
@@JohannBauernfeind I do wish we had more content by watchmakers, experts really, in UA-cam. I miss these videos.
Had to wait for UA-cam to pull this one out of the archive, but it was worth it. Absolutely love Hans... even with the mic problem.
Can we have a close-up of Hans' watch next time? Thanks! :-)
Martin Montinola certainly can the next time around I will make sure he captures my line of watches. Thank you for your comment.
This is a link to my Metal Machine - Swiss Reserve drive.google.com/file/d/0B3VGnM4qjek5NFprUFNBMHhROEU/view
Wow!!! The movement at the back looks absoultely amazing!! I love the cut-out dial (seeing through the movement). The bezel is from a Rolex as far as I can tell but the case isn't..You tell me, I'm not an exert :-D
Thanks for sharing! Excellent work!! :-) :-)
Martin Montinola the way, this is the only watch on Earth looking like that. Unique design, unique piece. My baby!
I know I know! because you made that watch! Haha. Especially the movement!!..Hands down to you man! I really hope in the future you can make your own watch company...I'll be your no.1 fan!!! :-D :-D
Thanks Fed and Hans! Always enjoy these videos. I am at work and your videos are always a nice break.
Man Oh man Hans... your stories and experiences are magnificent. And the fact you only wear watches that you've built yourself is the cherry on top. You are truly one of the gems out of the 7 billion (or is it more now) that live on this earth. No sarcasm, I mean this all sincerely. Federico was very lucky to connect with you.
Neuro thank you for watching.
Loved this segment. Have Hans as a guest on a regular basis. 🙂
Vince Piro thank you for watching.
When Fed talks watches, I listen. Great vid as usual.
Federico strikes gold! Get Hans on EVERY episode please!
Andrew Quick thank you for watching.
Wow! Fed, you are lucky to have such a cool, knowledgeable watchmaker to work with. Learned some cool stuff and look forward to more videos like this with Hans. Thanks!
Andy Ianniello thank you for watching.
Hey Federico, very cool episode i liked it a lot. Interessanter Beitrag Hans, könntest öfters dabei sein! Bester Gruss aus Zürich
Alexander Wetli danke dass sie unsere Sendung ansehen. Macht immer Freude auf Deutsch zu kommunizieren. Viele Grüße aus Amerika. Ich komme aus Österreich und habe meine Ausbildung in der Schweiz gemacht mit sehr guten Manufakturen. Viel Spaß wünscht man. Hans
You're the Man Hans.
Damn straight!
Love the episodes with Hans.
I’m new to your channel and I Love the content; especially the episodes with Hans. Wealth of knowledge
Very interesting guest and video Federico. You are back to the good stuff!!!
Take care,
Michael
We love you Hans
Daniel Katz thank you for watching.
Hans seems to. E a bit of a watch legend/guru. He instantly responds with his knowledge and he genuinely seems to be having fun working with you Fed. Very interesting and fun video. Well done gents. Bring on more duets🙏🏻⌚️👍🏻😎
Might not be the mic. Sounds like a radio transmitter is too close to it or the cabling. Move it away from your laptop, router and dont have your phones near any of it and seehow you go.
That was a very smooth wink at the end. Hans was great!
spookyspoots thank you for watching
Great to hear from an actual watchmaker. Very cool.
David Kwiat thank you for watching.
Great video Fed!!! Love you and Hans, very informative. Can you consider covering 2 topics? 1) Servicing with independent watch maker vs. manufacturer. 2) polishing with independent polisher vs manufacturer. Thank you!
Shauljj thank you for watching. We will address this issue next time.
Thank you! Looking forward to it!
I proudly wear my Sinn with an ETA. But- I paid 2k . It's a good watch with a good movement priced appropriately. Value for money is the issue with some of the other firms.
Nice conversation, I have several Seiko pieces and a Grand Seiko Spring drive GMT 201. I travel quite a bit so to me GMT movements are something that I look for in watches that I purchase. I used a Rolex Explorer II GMT, but did not like it as the outer bezel was fixed so no third time zone. I am considering a Rolex GMT master II but am on the fence as I have gotten used to the lumed outer bezel of the Grand Seiko, of which the Rolex does not have one. The movement of the second hand of the Grand Seiko spring drive is so beautiful in my opinion. I really like hearing both sides as it is informative for novices like myself.
Excellent! Looking forward to the next Q&A with Hans. What a cool guy!!!
Brian Wristwatchfan thank you for watching
Fed, bring this guy up as much as you can! Great stuff!
ablonstein thank you for watching.
Hans is my spirit animal.
Ps. Offer some of his builds on Del Ray!
EpicSnuggleBunny This is a link to my Metal Machine - Swiss Reserve drive.google.com/file/d/0B3VGnM4qjek5NFprUFNBMHhROEU/view
Johann Bauernfeind can you make me that watch?
Fed, your videos with Hans are just excellent! Keep it up brother 👍
I know I'm a little late to the party here, but the videos with Hans are great. I love hearing about the more technical side of watches.
Thank you for another great video!
I don’t have any problems with companies creating and selling high end watches with ETA movements. I think all of that just comes from people wanting more and more for the money they’re spending. If a watchmaker creates a beautiful $10k or $20k watch with something like a modified ETA 2892 A2, what exactly is the problem? Sure, you could get that movement in a few $1k watches but that shouldn’t be that important. It’s a great movement. If the rest of the watch is impeccable, what’s the problem? That movement is proven and it can be relatively easily serviced by any watchmaker worth his salt.
I’d rather have a time-tested, solid as hell movement as opposed to beta testing a brand new in-house movement. Sure there is a little more exclusivity and prestige with in-house movements but you’re already buying a $20k watch. That really should be all the exclusivity you need, ETA movement or not.
Well said. Also, not all brands are trusted. Rolex used to use Zenith movements, Breitling has in-house as well as eta. I have a Breitling that hasn’t been serviced in 14 years. Recently gave it to my watchmaker for servicing and even he was impressed. Watch is running -2 a week. -2 a fuckin’ week after no servicing for 14 years! Pressure test passed, etc. In other words, eta movement is excellent IN THE RIGHT WATCHMAKER’S HANDS. In this case, Breitling. Also, in house movements generally have the same problems etas but cost more to fix. Why bother.. honestly.
I loved this video.. certainly going to watch future videos with Hanzie. I've always felt force hacking movements didn't hurt them, I always thought if the main spring was not fully wound it was definitely ok.. to hear Hanz though, it does not matter. My favorite part was at the end, when he said Fed brought him "cakes" ! Too funny!
Very interesting to watch :-) You should hang out with Hans more often. Great to hear an expert with interesting opinions that he explains very well.
Love Hans! Love these informative videos
Chris D thank you for watching.
Hello, i just boutght a tissot visodate with caliber eta 2836-2 and it runs fine but there is a strange clicking noise from the rotor every time it turns 2-3 times. It sounds like the date is changing. Can you please ask Hans if that is normal or should i bring the watch to the swatch repair center. Thanks in advance
It's normal, time accuracy is important
great video. Hans is cool guy! Keep up the great work!
all in all great informative episode useful info nice to hear an expert opinion on some almost taboo issues in the world of horology,new mic and its business as usual again FED............
Fabian Teka thank you for watching.
This was so informative. Please do more videos like this in the future Fed!
Do more of these. Learned a lot!
Great conversation. I love hearing from a real watchmaker.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Federico Talks Watches what is the brand that Hans makes and where can we learn more about them?
Jason Keippela This is a link to my Metal Machine - Swiss Reserve drive.google.com/file/d/0B3VGnM4qjek5NFprUFNBMHhROEU/view
Another amazing video! Hans should be featuered more often! Viele Grüße aus Deutschland und immer weiter so! Cheers
Lippo187 Danke dass du dir Zeit genommen hast. This is a link to my Metal Machine - Swiss Reserve drive.google.com/file/d/0B3VGnM4qjek5NFprUFNBMHhROEU/view
Great video Federico! This Hans is a winner! Top notch! Thank you! :)
Subscribed... for more Hans, of course.
Nice interview Fed with Hans. Keep him around, good vid and conversation. I will reiterate as others have done already, a better close up and display of his own manufactured watches. Yes I imagine most are curious. Best regards.
Bubba B This is a link to my Metal Machine - Swiss Reserve drive.google.com/file/d/0B3VGnM4qjek5NFprUFNBMHhROEU/view
great video.... Great format to ask a watchmaker (Hans) questions, let's get macro pics of the hans watch please!!! ;-)
This is a link to my Metal Machine - Swiss Reserve drive.google.com/file/d/0B3VGnM4qjek5NFprUFNBMHhROEU/view
You guys rock.
Which Seiko movement is best for keeping time accuracy and not losing or gaining seconds between the NH36A and 6R15 Movements.
wow Hans is so cool!
can we have him on the show more often?
The ETA 2841-1 in my skeletonized Swatch Irony Automatic is still running and accurate to 2 minutes a month after 15 years with ZERO service, ZERO adjustment, ZERO lubrication. I wear it in the shower, I wear it in the pool, I wear it to work, I wear it to formal nights. Back then it was $115 (new). Viva plastic pallet fork and plastic escapement!
Fed,
Thanks for bringing my question to Hans concerning the ETA movement. As a watchmaker, does he see an ETA 2824 when he opens a Cuervo y Sobrinos Pirate ? When he looks at a Tissot Visodate does he see an ETA 2824 or is he looking at very different movements? Is there a difference in the service charge between a $7,000 ETA2824 and a $400.00 ETA2824?
Thanks for bringing in Hans.
Redskins Pride WGIL sorry to say, time is money and the service price is dictated by the hourly wage. Thank you for watching.
I really like the Sellita SW-200 in my Archimede Sporttaucher. For the last 2 weeks i am timing it with my atomic time watch, and it's minus 1 second now. Wearing it during the day and storing it crown up at night.
Bart Nijsten you are very fortunate. Enjoy the timepiece. Thank you for watching.
Give us more of hans. Would love if he could film a surface or show us some horror stories from some badly serviced watch. Keep em coming!:)
Nicholas Mork Halloween is around the corner. Thank you for watching.
Hans is always great. Grand Seiko makes multiple movements. I am interested in Hans’ opinion of the Hi-Beat movement.
I bought a Maurice Lacroix Aikon Automatic, the sw200 -1 is very tight when hand winding. Will this soften over time and if so will that be a sign of wear and tear?
Hans is awesome!
Hans is cool. Shows a lot of leg but still cool.
Scott Hockenberry yeah man, that is my kink. Lol
What is Hans remark regarding swimming with Non srew down crown watches and chronographs. Example Omega Speedmaster ??
Pedro Saenz I make my brand with and without screw down crown. Both are equally water resistant. Thank you for watching.
Screw down crown stops the likelihood of crown being knocked underwater or the accidental pressing of buttons in a chronograph- I wouldn’t swim with a speedy though regardless
Great explanations, very informative and interesting. We want to see more of Hans in future videos!
Sehr interessant
Serdar Balli Danke
Hans is such a modest guy, nice to see such a rarity in today's society!
Hey Fed! Where is Franz!? Haha!! 😂😂sorry I had to do it. Can't believe you haven't done it before now! Cheers!
Hans how often should you service a watch?
Hans , I might be sending you my new Seiko Sbdc051 it is running slow and that is bugging the hell out of me.
I hope it's not the 6r15C issue I've been reading about on UA-cam
More Hans pleaseeee
Hi Fed, wow, you are really increasing stock with Delray. I did notice a lot of watches sold with no box or papers. Are these back alley purchases? Lol....just teasing ya.
I didn't understand what complication they were talking about at the end of the video I thought they were going to say moon phase but I couldn't understand something of time if anybody knows and can explain that would be appreciated.. excellent video really like Hans great job Federico would really like to see a review of one of his watches Maybe??
They’re talking about the Equation of Time. Sounds fancy, but it’s actually just the difference between what is called Mean Solar Time and True Solar Time. Every day we have is 24 hours, but WE averaged it that way. The actual time of a true solar day is not generally 24 hours, in fact it is 24 hours only 4 times a year, at every other point it is slightly longer or shorter due to the elliptical orbit of the earth around the sun..!
Great video, Hans is a cool cat
Accutron thank you for watching.
Hans is the man!
Andreas Huttenlocher thank you for watching.
Immer gerne :)
Hans is the King😁
Fed, love the videos. Some audio issues with this one. I think it's time to invest into some gear. A ZOOM recorder, lapel mic on you and your guest, and you should be all set. I'm not seeing many cuts, so easy to sync up. Keep up the great work!
Hans is great.
What about Hi-Beat or any of the GS automatics? (I won't bring up 9F quartz LOL)
What are the price ranges? I really want to show support but I am still buying pieces at the $800 to $1200 price range
Milton DLS thank you for watching.
Hans is such a cool guy .
Nice to know that when the time comes my coaxial Omega will be penny's to service! Erm well maybe not...
Mark Playford that is a good one!
Thanks Johann ;-)
I have a Stowa Flieger Klassik with a nicely decorated top grade ETA 2824-2 and it runs +2 seconds a day at a smooth 28,800 beats. only a bit over $1k. its not a highly decorated beast but it keeps excellent time and it will be easily serviced.
Carlos Maeda And will last a lifetime if taken care of, not to mention parts availability.
Carlos Maeda thank you for watching.
Hans is the best.
I don't know what these Alien sounds are, but they make me want to check out delraywatch.com
hahahahaha
I've added Louis Cartier Tank, Gerard Perreagux World Time Financial, and Roger Dubuis Sympathie to my collection just on Federico's nod. It pains me to say that the Ralph Lauren watches have to go Fed. Lauren sells paint at Home Depot.
I totally get what you are saying David trust me... But where else can you get a Cartier case and a JLC movement under WELL under $4K... It is not for everyone, but they are a total value prop!
I think an ETA is acceptable if you are a new brand looking to invest more in design rather than the movement, as that will be what consumers base there initial opinion on. If you are past that I think a well decorated slightly modified ETA is fine... after all they are reliable and proven. But when you get to the big leagues in house is necessary in my opinion. It's a statement that you have spent on research and development, you are pioneers as opposed to plagiarists and that you have constructed the watch from top to bottom and your standards are maintained throughout. That is what we pay the big money for.
Lewis I agree. Thank you for watching.
What brand hasn’t had outsourced movements at one point or another? Even Patek outsourced at one point. Rolex Daytona was outsourced too. I think that reputable watch brands tweak outsourced movements very well and they are more than reliable. The shouting and debate is fun on forums such as these. Breitling uses in-house and outsources. As long as the movement is COSC certified.. it’s a moot point imo.
Federico, you MUST sell Hans' watches too!
this was great
Good video.
Steven UK1 thank you for watching.
Why thanks Johannn, but you deserved the remarks, yrr ok in front of the camera as well as behind the scenes
Daniel Katz thank you for watching.
It makes me sick that the day/date starts so early and ends so late on my Hamilton caliber H21 (Valjoux 7750) starts at 11:20pm and ends at 12:45am.is this normal?
Juan Nuñez sorry to say the issue is that the watch movement was conceived like that. There is nothing wrong with it. All 7750 based watches do that. Just enjoy. We could reset the hands so the date change is over at exactly midnight. Thank you for watching.
Johann Bauernfeind thank you sir.
08:40 Grand Seiko
Federico,i watched 2 of your videos that talks about grand seiko and you always talk about spring drive,and the fact that it is a hybrid movement..do you realized they have the high beat 9s movement?and it has a gmt complication too..why always talking about spring drive???hahaha
Did Hans teach you some of the most important Austrian phrases? Leiwand, bist du deppat or the probably funniest regarding the watch theme: aufn zager gehn :)
Thomas Stöberl hab ihm gesagt de Sauerei muas a andere wean des Klo kummt in de Kuchl.
Any chance of Hans reviewing his own watch that he made?
Vegan Dinner This is a link to my Metal Machine - Swiss Reserve drive.google.com/file/d/0B3VGnM4qjek5NFprUFNBMHhROEU/view
Thank you.
I think in-house is more interesting but eta is more dependable. But still in-house shouldn't be 10x the cost because it's not like it actually costs the manufacturer 10x more to make it.
Dru Michael we did address that in the video. Developing a movement from scratch is about a five million dollars expense.
Johann Bauernfeind Yes but after that the manufacturer costs for each movement isn't 5 million dollars
You guys are wrong about the EOT. Back then, local time, the sundial as the reference, there was no linear elongation and longitude-wide-spread understanding of 'time'. That only came with the issue/problem of longitude at sea, the rail-road common time across many thousands of miles etc. The EOT wouldn't therefore have been understood as something special (complication) several hundreds years ago: it was the 'normal' interpretation of time back then (what nowadays sub-dial would show). And aligned, as said, with the sundial reading. BTW: look at long-case regulators at observatories back then: showing both solar mean time (your watch today), speak also sidereal time (but that's nevertheless another whole story) and solar local time (meridian passing of a heavily body at 'noon' i.e. largest altitude of body (sun, satellite (moon), planet, star) at a given longitude (take the rotation of 15 degrees per hour into account, without the phenomena of nutuation and precession, and really if you want to get precise, general relativity a la Einstein for GPS for sub-meter geo-position-detection (but please also don't forget about the problem related to the geoid). OK, all very complex. And tiresome. In other words forget about the modern EOT 'complication'. Because if you get there, actually the real 'complication' just starts (to haunt you). :-)
Thank you for the enlightening google search. Like we said a total useless compilation. Thank you for watching.
Well, it was useful for setting regulators accurately by determining the moment of noon (when the sun is at its highest point in the sky and the shadows it casts are shortest).
yes, i love hans but i'm way too cheap to use him!
Mr Hans
Thank for the valueable info,
I heared that ETAs came 4-5 grades and the high end watch companies uses the highest grade of it; is that true?
Best regards,
W.F.
Hans is the Jurgen Klopp of watchmaking!
Danke dass ist nett! Ich muss natürlich sagen meine Frau ist ein bisschen hübscher als den seine Gattin. Danke vielmals.
P.S. I have a feel it's the same guy, or group of guys, always asking you about the Grand Seiko Federico... Trolls hoping to stir trouble or embarrassment... Although I love Seikos, I'd probably be ignoring the Seiko questions at this point.
The “Master of Disaster”!!
Hans had to laugh at your last bremont rant vid so bad... Also that sound quality is unacceptable, you should re-record it. Good punch of knowledge tho
Just my two cents but I don't think you can do better than ETA in a sub $1000 watch. Above $3000 it is in house all the way. $1000 to $3000 is a vast grey area.
Caucasoids are so funny, you could present these Europeans the right answer and, they laugh and have that funny shake when they spoke of spring drive, i smell hater on this channel.
I feel personally that it's crazy to buy a watch for 5,000 dollars when you can get the exact movement in a $500 dollar hamilton I'm not gonna pay 4,500 extra just for the name and finishing
Johnny Bowman I get your drift. However cases made by BREITLING or Rolex are superior to cheaper brand-name watches. There is a difference. Thank you for watching.
Ralph Lauren, watch?? really? come on!
Look it up... trust me.
Federico Talks Watches I look them, good realiable swiss watches.. but i will not buy a fashion brand for watches no matter how good its.. its like D&G watches.. or Channel watches.. . .. the guy is rich.. and buy is own swiss watch factory/facility. thats it. I properly watch brands.. like Zenith.. Oris.. Orient or even Certina.
You obviously didnt look it up. This is a partnership with Richemont. The case is made by Cartier and it houses a Jaeger LeCoultre column wheel chronograph movement... This takes a dump all over Oris and Certina.
Federico Talks Watches Fashion brand no coment more.. this guy made clothes shoes and bags. not watches.. he had good watches due have the money to buy swiss movements...i dont say they are bad watches, i say if you like watches.. you will not pick this joke brand.
Hey, feel the way you want about it, I can't change that.