Those fireworks are treated as IED's. There ISN'T a better way, they're unstable. Unless you want to volunteer to go clean out the next house full of unstable fireworks yourself....
So they are worried about the fireworks going off and damaging other properties? The best thing they could come up with is to light them on fire? Makes sense. No body ever thought to soak them in water and then just demo the house like normal?
Fireworks are explosives and explosives can still explode, even wet. The act of demolition can easily start a fire, even without fireworks present. The shear volume of fireworks present at this residential location posed an extreme hazard, not only to the people tasked with demolition, but also to the surrounding community. Safe demolition of the house *might* have been possible, but it would have been long and drawn out, leaving a large potential threat to the surrounding houses and any people who wander in. Maybe people think fireworks are nothing to worry about, and in small quantities with careful handling that's usually the case. But, when large quantities are present and strict precautions are not taken, they can be just as deadly as military grenades or mortars. A mass detonation of fireworks could send shrapnel flying in every direction, hurting or killing people, even in their homes or vehicles. That's exactly why those massive concrete blocks were placed there, as a shield against flying debris.
@@JimTomatore So creating a large fire was the answer? The agencies involved are dumb. The US has bomb squads for a reason. The stuff shoud have been removed. Burning a house does not stop mass detonation or explosions from fireworks.
Hundreds of pounds of unexploded fireworks left behind and UNSTABLE, following the original fire (accidental) which set off some of the FW cache. If I was an abutting neighbor, I'd be DAMN GLAD the authorities planned and executed a SAFE removal of this hazard from my property lines. Wouldn't you??
No one could of forced the owners to get rid the fireworks??? I mean....I wish I could understand this concept of burning a beautiful house to the ground and possibly destroying the houses on either side???
Would the neighbour have managed to get extra insurance to cover water damage from that much water sprayed on their house , i know it rains im not daft but not in that volume
If you mean storing fireworks inside your own home, I totally agree. I bet their homeowners insurance refuses to pay out on the loss due to this. All for blowing up fireworks on yet another 4th of July?? Dumb Dumb Dumb.
@@dock_yard1149unfortunately insurance companies cannot deny a claim based on stupidity. Standard homeowners policy covers fire, could only deny if it was intentionally set by the policy holder.
@@dock_yard1149clearly you don't know laws surrounding fireworks, and there storage laws. There is currently a large group of experts outside of that community who have launched a private investigation into this matter.
That is by far the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen a fire department to. The people that came up with that idea and approved. It should be taken out of the office and sent to Siberia or something.
Who is paying for the flooded basement in the house next door? This seems to be a terrible idea from so many aspects of safety and property protection. Regardless of the agency that organized it. It's a great watch though.
@robdog1245 looks to be mist.. from water... thats being sprayed from the hose thats behind that said house. if you look one minute before that youll see a hose line behind it before its been used yet. at 3:14 you can see them.
The cement block wall they built in front of the garage wouldn’t of also been great along the 2 and 4 exposures protecting both houses. Instead they water damaged the house and took a risk
This fire was put out quickly. The fire department had nothing to do with the controlled burn other than conducting it after the ATF and bomb squad ordered it because the garage was still full of professional grade fireworks that were unstable.
Biggest financial mistake that can be made, looked like a nice home, they had a huge amount of money tied up in illegal fireworks, home ordered burned down, insurance probably not covering the owners stupidity, and most likely have a mortgage, and facing jail time, and big fines!
BATFE has standards in handling certain types of events similar to this. But by all public accounts on the board so far and what we've seen in the video. Some agency are currently getting deluged with calls and FOIA requests. Their's a large private group of experts in Fireworks and explosives. Who have started their own investigation into this matter. From the video of them burning down the home and their isn't any visible signs of 1.1G or 1.3G products detonating. Is a cause of alarm in this situation and how inexperienced fire and law enforcement agencies might want to conduct themselves in the future.
0:42, it's absolutely stupid to be standing in front of burning fireworks without ALL your PPE on. And there's NO reason to be IN the garage with them on fire.
Oh, so let’s have a play day and inconvenience the neighbors and displace them from their homes, let THEM incur toxic smoke…and, make it difficult for them to get up and down their street to live their regular lives, just for our self indulgence. Controlled burns are suppose to be that - controlled and in a controlled environment, which this is NOT! How incredibly unprofessional and wreck-less of these thoughtless agencies. What a fiasco.
@@ffjsbwhat does that have to do with it? Why control burn it? Who pays for the damage to the neighbors homes? Who pays for all the equipment and manpower? Serious question?
I watched a controlled burn of a roach infested house..they trenched around the house added some accelerant, lit that then torched the house..Glad i wasnt their neighbor..
For whatever reason, the house was "excessively loaded" with fireworks. It's asking for trouble - like lighting candles all around your house with a dozen golden retrievers inside, and then walking away. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. .
Connecticut had severe weather the days prior to this controlled burn and lightning most likely struck the house causing ignition of the large amounts of fireworks inside but in the initial fire call all of the fireworks didn't go off so they had a deadly situation on their hands because they had unburned fireworks in the structure that were ready to explode but haven't so they had to get rid of them by setting the house on fire again.
Yes neighbors were evacuated the man had hoarded old volatile fireworks that were unstable and dangerous to unload from the house. You saw the previous fire, charges of some sort were filed and this controlled planned burn was done
They let the family get all of their belongings that survived out before the controlled burn. The fireworks inside weren’t your regular ones you’d buy at a fireworks stand. They were commercial-grade ones hooked to a detonator board that was compromised.
All that stuff that was going during the initial fire were consumer based products 1.4. There is currently a private group of experts looking into this matter.and in the coming weeks and months there will be a extensive over view and break down video on this matter. Gonna be a lot of questions needing answer's
What a laugh! That doesn’t mean that this detonator board is now a booby trapped, time bomb. Good grief. Just dismantle the detonator board…problem solved and all of this pointless drama avoided.
@@mikeymcmikeface5599 Please let me know when you have 40+ years fighting fire, with NUMEROUS certifications, and a major in Fire Science. Other than video games and trolling, what are YOUR qualifications???
@@mikeymcmikeface5599 Son, let me know when you've got 40+ years on the job, NUMEROUS certifications, and a major in Fire Science. The only qualifications you have are playing video games and being a sorry troll.
Holy hell, why wouldn't the belongings and anything salvageable bee allowed to be removed? The amount of comments thinking that belongings were not allowed to be removed is unreal.
@@DIRTDUMMY1actually, I think asking the question is fair! If the logic is to control burn it because of dangerous explosives that haven’t been detonated, wouldn’t it then have been dangerous to enter the house to search and remove any belongings?
The house to the left had some of the vinyl siding melt slightly so they will have to pay a deductible to their insurance company because the fire company wanted to burn the house down 5 days after the fire was put out! Just needed tearing down.
I honestly can’t understand all the armchair firefighting in this comment section. You people were not there, have no idea of the planning that went into this, and quite frankly have NO business talking about it. Your assanine comments are why a lot of places don’t post their videos. Get out of the comment section and go do some real firefighting.
😂😂😂, theres already a private investigation launched into the handling of this situation. From outside of that community by real experts in fireworks and explosives. To the folks who made the call to burn the rest of this house down, i hope they followed their own ATFE guidelines and recorded everything in a investigation. Because my understanding of why they claimed to burn it down, makes absolutely zero sense. And by the final fire shows ZERO EVIDENCE of 1.1G or 1.3G products detonating. I know a lot of calls have already been made and FOIA paperwork is dumping into all involved.
problem is when loading debris into truck, then dump site, a risk is run that the unlit fire works could cause a fire in dump truck, fire in dump site or blow up when handling debris. this is the best way to make sure all fireworks are unable to cause harm to any person or property
The moment they said a “ controlled burn,” I knew they were going to burn his house down. Sending a message to all home owners at the approach of the 4th.
Gotta love comments from people who have no idea what went into the decision, which was made by experts from multiple agencies. A friend taught me the term, "keyboard warriors." Ha!
Ich frag mich, wo hier die ganzen Klimakleber und Umweltschützer sind? Da wird überall auf der Welt ein großes Theater abgespielt, nur bei den Amis, ja juckt das keinen Schwanz.
We American people use the old motto for everything ( everything counts except us ) like we say about Wars; it's not about dying for your country it's about getting the other poor Bastard to Die for His 😂
This is unquestionably the stupidest thing I've ever seen a fire department or community do. Just ridiculous. They treated this guys fireworks stash like it was so e sort of bomb device. This a a case of boys playing with their toys. All they needed to do was go in and soak and surround and then put the fireworks in steel drums and haul away. To torch what was left of this house like this to get rid of some basic Class C - consumer fireworks is absurd. If I was one of the adjacent property owners I would be pissed as hell and sue the city. The most hilarious thing about it all is that they didn't even succeed in burning up whatever fireworks were in the back corners of those two garage stalls ...because all the debris from the burning house above basically buried the remaining fireworks and kept the fire from reaching them. This is just so ridiculous.
Absolutely they will, hopefully he didn't sign anything agreeing to allow this to happen. There's a community of fireworks n explosives experts who are currently looking into this matter. Someone is gonna look real stupid at their Depositions
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If I lived in the house next door I would be pissed off at Shelton FD! There had to be a better way of dealing with this situation!
I came here looking for this comment!
Read the comments people!!!
Those fireworks are treated as IED's. There ISN'T a better way, they're unstable. Unless you want to volunteer to go clean out the next house full of unstable fireworks yourself....
@@stevepotthast4911they are by idiots
@@ffjsbso would it be safe for the owners to go in and get their belongings? With live explosives still in there, probably not a good idea…
So they are worried about the fireworks going off and damaging other properties? The best thing they could come up with is to light them on fire? Makes sense. No body ever thought to soak them in water and then just demo the house like normal?
Fireworks are explosives and explosives can still explode, even wet. The act of demolition can easily start a fire, even without fireworks present. The shear volume of fireworks present at this residential location posed an extreme hazard, not only to the people tasked with demolition, but also to the surrounding community. Safe demolition of the house *might* have been possible, but it would have been long and drawn out, leaving a large potential threat to the surrounding houses and any people who wander in.
Maybe people think fireworks are nothing to worry about, and in small quantities with careful handling that's usually the case. But, when large quantities are present and strict precautions are not taken, they can be just as deadly as military grenades or mortars. A mass detonation of fireworks could send shrapnel flying in every direction, hurting or killing people, even in their homes or vehicles. That's exactly why those massive concrete blocks were placed there, as a shield against flying debris.
@@JimTomatore So creating a large fire was the answer? The agencies involved are dumb. The US has bomb squads for a reason. The stuff shoud have been removed. Burning a house does not stop mass detonation or explosions from fireworks.
@@chazman4461 Another person heard from that has NO CLUE as to what they're talking about...
@@ffjsbyeah, that's you
@@mikeymcmikeface5599 Son, go back to your video games. I've been in the fire service for over 40 years.
You have to have some pretty understanding neighbors to let that house 'go up' again. Having your house doused with high pressure water. IDK.
I really don’t understand why this had to be done. Would not be happy if I was a neighbor.
Hundreds of pounds of unexploded fireworks left behind and UNSTABLE, following the original fire (accidental) which set off some of the FW cache. If I was an abutting neighbor, I'd be DAMN GLAD the authorities planned and executed a SAFE removal of this hazard from my property lines. Wouldn't you??
@@dock_yard1149 I would think the fireworks would be safe if thoroughly drenched with water.
@@yuvgotubekidding That actually makes them UNSTABLE.
@@ffjsb thanks for clearing that up. 👍
No one could of forced the owners to get rid the fireworks??? I mean....I wish I could understand this concept of burning a beautiful house to the ground and possibly destroying the houses on either side???
Would the neighbour have managed to get extra insurance to cover water damage from that much water sprayed on their house , i know it rains im not daft but not in that volume
Most idiotic thing ive ever heard of in almost 30 years in the fire service
Insurance company most likely decided the original fire destroyed the home, would cost too much to repair it
If you mean storing fireworks inside your own home, I totally agree. I bet their homeowners insurance refuses to pay out on the loss due to this. All for blowing up fireworks on yet another 4th of July?? Dumb Dumb Dumb.
@@dock_yard1149unfortunately insurance companies cannot deny a claim based on stupidity. Standard homeowners policy covers fire, could only deny if it was intentionally set by the policy holder.
@@dock_yard1149clearly you don't know laws surrounding fireworks, and there storage laws. There is currently a large group of experts outside of that community who have launched a private investigation into this matter.
That is by far the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen a fire department to. The people that came up with that idea and approved. It should be taken out of the office and sent to Siberia or something.
It was the ATF who ordered the house burned!
I am a firefighter from Siberia. Please don't send it here! Haha.
@@kevinhazlett7303 if they
If they said put gasoline on an oil fire, would you do it? It doesn’t make it right they’re dumb.
It seems dumb to you because you don't know a damn thing about explosives.
Who is paying for the flooded basement in the house next door? This seems to be a terrible idea from so many aspects of safety and property protection. Regardless of the agency that organized it. It's a great watch though.
Both of those neighbors houses are going to be saturated with toxic smoke.
@robdog1245 looks to be mist.. from water... thats being sprayed from the hose thats behind that said house. if you look one minute before that youll see a hose line behind it before its been used yet. at 3:14 you can see them.
The cement block wall they built in front of the garage wouldn’t of also been great along the 2 and 4 exposures protecting both houses. Instead they water damaged the house and took a risk
It seems like venting the roof before lighting it off would have made for a more efficient burn 🔥 and possibly cleaner
Inexcusable! How do you not protect the exposures appropriately? The Bravo exposure most definitely has thermal exposure damage.
Did the family manage to get their belongings out that survived or did they burn those with the house?
Great work, as always Keith! 😊
Thank you
Why not cut holes in the roof so the fire and heat could go straight up?
They’re VFDs. Not the real thing.
@@hounddog946 What?
I’m curious as to how many fireworks were in the house was it hundreds or thousands of fireworks?
Very large amount.
This fire was put out quickly. The fire department had nothing to do with the controlled burn other than conducting it after the ATF and bomb squad ordered it because the garage was still full of professional grade fireworks that were unstable.
Quickly?? Seriously?? You call that quick? The house burnt down.
Biggest financial mistake that can be made, looked like a nice home, they had a huge amount of money tied up in illegal fireworks, home ordered burned down, insurance probably not covering the owners stupidity, and most likely have a mortgage, and facing jail time, and big fines!
They did that to my sister's former home after she sold it to a Company that wanted to enlarge their plant. Watching that was a unique experience!
It’s like a fire buff second helping ! Great footage!
😂😂😂
Amazing video Keith!
Thank you Nick
no, it isn't
@mikeymcmikeface5599 Where did I go wrong in my coverage?
Were the dump tanks supplemental water or was the shuttle the primary source ?
Supplemental.
BATFE has standards in handling certain types of events similar to this. But by all public accounts on the board so far and what we've seen in the video. Some agency are currently getting deluged with calls and FOIA requests. Their's a large private group of experts in Fireworks and explosives. Who have started their own investigation into this matter. From the video of them burning down the home and their isn't any visible signs of 1.1G or 1.3G products detonating. Is a cause of alarm in this situation and how inexperienced fire and law enforcement agencies might want to conduct themselves in the future.
Hopefully, the insurance company paid for the control burn, and damage to the neighboring houses. Taxpayers shouldn’t have to foot the bill….
Beautiful home what a shame
They should have their heads examined?
How did the original fire start?
Have not heard cause yet.
The house was hit by lighting. I'm a neighbor
Dudes wife is beyond pissed…
@@matthewvitka4455 so that means you were a witness?
@@matthewvitka4455WOW, so there were not enough walls between the strike. Never store FWs in a garage.
dont fireworks become useless when you soak them with water? Why would they need to burn the house down?
0:42, it's absolutely stupid to be standing in front of burning fireworks without ALL your PPE on. And there's NO reason to be IN the garage with them on fire.
They didn’t know until they began to go off and even then they had no idea the place was loaded with them
@@jeffreymartin6369 They clearly knew at 0:42, yet still made poor choices...
This is very interesting never imagined they get a call like this
I would be furious if I was their neighbor
Oh, so let’s have a play day and inconvenience the neighbors and displace them from their homes, let THEM incur toxic smoke…and, make it difficult for them to get up and down their street to live their regular lives, just for our self indulgence.
Controlled burns are suppose to be that - controlled and in a controlled environment, which this is NOT! How incredibly unprofessional and wreck-less of these thoughtless agencies. What a fiasco.
From someone who's NEVER fought a fire...
@@ffjsb As a Fire Cheif I fully agree with @ffjsb there are other ways to train
@@417rogers This wasn't a training exercise based on the description
@@ffjsbwhat does that have to do with it? Why control burn it? Who pays for the damage to the neighbors homes? Who pays for all the equipment and manpower? Serious question?
@@erikturner8687 Do you people ever read the comments from the poster????? The fireworks were UNSTABLE, AND UNSAFE TO MOVE.... SMH
I would have liked a house like that. Such a waste!
You would have like a house that was completely destroyed by a fire?
@@juancena930aren't you smart one
Whose idea was this? What were they high on? Whatever it was it must have sounded good.
It's so sad when someone loses their home thay worked so hard for 😢😢😢
If the fireworks were the cause then they only have themselves to blame.
@@frmerrin2lightning hit the House causing the fire
I watched a controlled burn of a roach infested house..they trenched around the house added some accelerant, lit that then torched the house..Glad i wasnt their neighbor..
For whatever reason, the house was "excessively loaded" with fireworks. It's asking for trouble - like lighting candles all around your house with a dozen golden retrievers inside, and then walking away.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Connecticut had severe weather the days prior to this controlled burn and lightning most likely struck the house causing ignition of the large amounts of fireworks inside but in the initial fire call all of the fireworks didn't go off so they had a deadly situation on their hands because they had unburned fireworks in the structure that were ready to explode but haven't so they had to get rid of them by setting the house on fire again.
Any dumbass knows if you put water on fireworks they are safe to move
What on earth are they doing, is this a fire drill? And did the neighbours agree to this?
Yes neighbors were evacuated the man had hoarded old volatile fireworks that were unstable and dangerous to unload from the house. You saw the previous fire, charges of some sort were filed and this controlled planned burn was done
They let the family get all of their belongings that survived out before the controlled burn. The fireworks inside weren’t your regular ones you’d buy at a fireworks stand. They were commercial-grade ones hooked to a detonator board that was compromised.
All that stuff that was going during the initial fire were consumer based products 1.4. There is currently a private group of experts looking into this matter.and in the coming weeks and months there will be a extensive over view and break down video on this matter. Gonna be a lot of questions needing answer's
What a laugh! That doesn’t mean that this detonator board is now a booby trapped, time bomb. Good grief. Just dismantle the detonator board…problem solved and all of this pointless drama avoided.
Handlines would've been better to protect the exposures, you just neet to keep them wet, not blast them with a master stream.
Thanks, armchair fire chief. 🙄
@@mikeymcmikeface5599 Please let me know when you have 40+ years fighting fire, with NUMEROUS certifications, and a major in Fire Science. Other than video games and trolling, what are YOUR qualifications???
@@mikeymcmikeface5599 Son, let me know when you've got 40+ years on the job, NUMEROUS certifications, and a major in Fire Science.
The only qualifications you have are playing video games and being a sorry troll.
Hey how come I never see any fire incident videos from Bridgeport?
I have quite a few. Just a little farther of a drive for me.
And honestly Bridgeport is a quiet city when it comes to fires
@@jimbobcramdenNot exactly
@jimbobcramden I do not. I work in Bridgeport, live in Shelton.
To repeat my comment to the prior video, fireworks are stupid.
Fireworks aren't stupid. People that use them dangerously and illegally are stupid.
Totally agree. Go to a fireworks show, let the pros set them off. Personal fireworks ... WHY???
Did they allow the people there to get all their stuff out? If not that is insane.
I think they did.
Holy hell, why wouldn't the belongings and anything salvageable bee allowed to be removed? The amount of comments thinking that belongings were not allowed to be removed is unreal.
@@DIRTDUMMY1actually, I think asking the question is fair! If the logic is to control burn it because of dangerous explosives that haven’t been detonated, wouldn’t it then have been dangerous to enter the house to search and remove any belongings?
Sounded like consumer grade fireworks, no mortars or anything like that. Why would they do something so stupid?
The house to the left had some of the vinyl siding melt slightly so they will have to pay a deductible to their insurance company because the fire company wanted to burn the house down 5 days after the fire was put out! Just needed tearing down.
Awesome video Brother!
Thanks Kevin
I honestly can’t understand all the armchair firefighting in this comment section. You people were not there, have no idea of the planning that went into this, and quite frankly have NO business talking about it. Your assanine comments are why a lot of places don’t post their videos. Get out of the comment section and go do some real firefighting.
Oh I didn’t know this channel was for professional firefighters only. So it’s not alright to get questions answered and learn? Ok.
@@yuvgotubekidding Asking questions isn't armchair firefighting.
😂😂😂, theres already a private investigation launched into the handling of this situation. From outside of that community by real experts in fireworks and explosives. To the folks who made the call to burn the rest of this house down, i hope they followed their own ATFE guidelines and recorded everything in a investigation. Because my understanding of why they claimed to burn it down, makes absolutely zero sense. And by the final fire shows ZERO EVIDENCE of 1.1G or 1.3G products detonating. I know a lot of calls have already been made and FOIA paperwork is dumping into all involved.
@@shanestamball1886 UH, the ATF ARE REAL EXPERTS on fireworks... SMH. Don't want your house burnt down?? Don't fill it with illegal fireworks.
Maybe you should enlighten?
Couldn't the digger pull it down?
problem is when loading debris into truck, then dump site, a risk is run that the unlit fire works could cause a fire in dump truck, fire in dump site or blow up when handling debris. this is the best way to make sure all fireworks are unable to cause harm to any person or property
And,ppl are complaining about all the crap,entering our atmosphere, this was the solution?!😢
Stupidity.
I am a friend of a witness so maybe I can answer questions sorry if I cant
The moment they said a “ controlled burn,” I knew they were going to burn his house down. Sending a message to all home owners at the approach of the 4th.
Imagine if Greta Thunberg ever saw what they were doing! "How Dare you!"
Gotta love comments from people who have no idea what went into the decision, which was made by experts from multiple agencies. A friend taught me the term, "keyboard warriors." Ha!
Puting two houses at risk is stupid. They sound like idiots, instead of experts.
WTF Seriously??? The house looked fixable.
Read the comments!!! The house was full of illegal fireworks.
Hahahah what?
Feuerwehr zündet nach 5 Tagen das Haus wieder an und brennt es ab.
Ain't that something 😂
So wait, this wasn’t training? I don’t understand lol
The details are in the description below the video.
@@FIREGROUNDIMAGES my bad
@Burnedandbroken Oh no problem at all!
Ich frag mich, wo hier die ganzen Klimakleber und Umweltschützer sind?
Da wird überall auf der Welt ein großes Theater abgespielt, nur bei den Amis, ja juckt das keinen Schwanz.
We American people use the old motto for everything ( everything counts except us ) like we say about Wars; it's not about dying for your country it's about getting the other poor Bastard to Die for His 😂
It looked like a beautiful home. May I ask what was wrong with it 😢
Full article is in the description under the video.
Massive amount of fireworks inside that ignited and set the house on fire just days prior during a severe storm.
Lightning hit the house
Clown show
can see the TEARS in AOC;s eyes as the smoke rises..
Why the F does everything have to political. This homeowner put his neighbors lives and homes in great danger
@@psdesert7907I believe he was being sarcastic…
😊
Nice deck gun. What the ????
Probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Really? Thats the best solution?
A liberal made this decision.
This is unquestionably the stupidest thing I've ever seen a fire department or community do. Just ridiculous. They treated this guys fireworks stash like it was so e sort of bomb device. This a a case of boys playing with their toys. All they needed to do was go in and soak and surround and then put the fireworks in steel drums and haul away. To torch what was left of this house like this to get rid of some basic Class C - consumer fireworks is absurd. If I was one of the adjacent property owners I would be pissed as hell and sue the city. The most hilarious thing about it all is that they didn't even succeed in burning up whatever fireworks were in the back corners of those two garage stalls ...because all the debris from the burning house above basically buried the remaining fireworks and kept the fire from reaching them. This is just so ridiculous.
Wtf?
Wonder if his insurance will deny a claim
Absolutely they will, hopefully he didn't sign anything agreeing to allow this to happen. There's a community of fireworks n explosives experts who are currently looking into this matter. Someone is gonna look real stupid at their Depositions