Tentacle SYNC E vs Tentacle TRACK E
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- Опубліковано 12 січ 2024
- In this video, we delve into the recent firmware update from Tentacle for their Track E audio recorder, raising the question of whether it makes the Sync E timecode box obsolete. The Sync E, a Bluetooth-enabled timecode generator, now faces competition from the Track E, which, with its latest update, can send timecode information through its headphone port. We explore the significant features, pricing, and use cases for both devices, providing a detailed comparison.
🎥 Key Points:
Track E's new firmware update enables timecode output from the headphone port.
Price comparison: Sync E vs. Track E with internal 32-bit float recording.
Exploring use cases, including scenarios for lav mic recording and flexibility in setups.
Compatibility with various devices such as Sony FX6, A7S III, and Zoom F6.
The importance of timecode for smoother post-production workflows.
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Finally after looking at hundreds of videos about the Track E someone finally answered my question about if the headphone port will send timecode audio. I've been debating on pulling the trigger on the Track E for that exact reason. Thank you so much for clarifying it.
So glad you have some clarity! Yeah so many of the videos are when it was first released, but the ability to output timecode came in a recent firmware update. Thanks!
@@paulhuenefeld you’re welcome. Love your video of the horse guy. Looks great. I know you kind of touched on battery life. Would it last 8 hours recording and time code sync? That’s probably the most I would use it for my work.
@@slcantu Thanks! It was so fun to just be creative with video again! I haven't done exact testing on the battery life to know, but I honestly wouldn't worry about an 8hr day with it.
@@paulhuenefeld thanks will be getting one or a couple lol
Leaving a timecode box plugged into your camera the whole time you're shooting is the best way to make sure there is no timecode drift. That's best practice so in that regard the Sync E isn't obsolete at all. I'm sure jamming timecode once and then using just the Track E will work most of the time but I wouldn't be willing to take that risk because the post production would be a nightmare and that would be costly and reflect reality badly on me haha
Yes I definitely agree! I keep the Track E connected to the camera the whole day. I won’t use it as a timecode box and recorder at the same time, I will use it for a specific use case each time. Basically the cost difference is so close that it’s worth it to buy the Track E to have the ability to use it as a recorder or timecode box at any time 👍🏻👍🏻
Fantastic video, thanks so much
Glad you enjoyed it!
Sorry guys.... The new Deity is shipping soon and will compete nicely with this. PR-2. Stay tunned.
Oooh nice! You got your hands on it early?
I can't wait! The fact that Tentacle caved to U.S. Patent trolls without providing some workaround is absolutely unacceptable. As soon as something is available that can compete, I'm ditching Tentacle forever. LTC signal is easy to generate with a $1 Arduino chip, the fact that they charge $200 for this is insulting. It's literally the guts of a "bluepill" stm32 development board in the box! Infuriating.
US market is out of luck. Just tested this update. TC output muted as soon as you press record.
My advice is get yourself a European version. I wonder if Canada is getting fully featured units.
Yes, I would love input from someone with a European version!
I just replied to your previous comment, hope that clears us how I've been using it! Thanks!
Yes the Canadian ones are full featured.
@@boutthere3374 super! Do you know any Tentacle dealer close to NY border by any chance?
Contact me. I got the International version with the W lav pro mic included. Works with my wireless lav setup and syncs with Adode Premiere, FC Pro, and Resovle via their TC Sync software. .1 click and you import the xml files into your Video editing program. So much better and like I said, I got 4 lav mics ...wireless recording on each box and are synced perfectly.
Amazing!
Thanks!
So I did my 1st shoot (as a newbee) this last October (2024) and I bought the two Tentacle 🐙 kit (from B&H) and two more “receivers” to send Timecode from my Zoom F8n to the three (3) cameras; my Sony A1, a Cannon R5 and a Blackmagic 6K…
(Had a boom, two wireless lavs and an SM7B for the narration of a stage play Reading)
Found an “audio guy” on Backstage to handle all this (since I was doing a little on just about everything else) and he said “none of the three cameras were accepting the Tentacles…”
🧐
No time to trouble shoot so I’m going to have to manually sync everything in Post 🤨
Now I’m thinking Audio guy wasn’t just too lazy to troubleshoot (the day before when we were building out the set) but none of these three high-end cameras are geared up accept Time Code (or each has a different setup that no one knew) 🧐
We’re going back and shooting later in Spring for some “action” scenes and I’m getting the FX3 which sounds like a camera body that WILL work with Tentacle 🐙 and my Sony A1 will just be a 2nd camera (no more mixing camera color science!) if this works, I’ll be shooting with (rented) FX3s
(And I almost bought the Sony A7sIII over the FX3 before learning about other issues; lack of support/upgrades and overheating… which my A1 did when trying to shoot 8K to my Ninja🤬)
I’d stick with my Es - not just because I already bought them - but I got everything plugged into the Zoom F8n and I’m only shooting stage plays (primarily) so I am in very controlled environments.
Yes, of those three cameras, the Blackmagic is the only one that supports metadata timecode. The Sony and Canon would just have timecode recorded to the audio channel. Then that audio timecode would be converted to metadata timecode in your editing. One thing I didn’t mention is that the FX3 can only accept metadata timecode with a special usb cable. You can get one from Sony or Tentacle and Kondor Blue have one that’s way cheaper!
Using the same camera manufacturer will make post production so much easier! 👏🏻
Thanks for your insight!
Thanx - I might have missed that USB detail - and I wonder if that might have been the problem getting it to work with the A1 (which is another “older” camera that Sony seems to treat it and us like “red headed step children” 🤨
@@georgerady9706 Yes, I hate that lack of support for the A1! But to my knowledge the fx3 and fx30 are the only mirrorless bodies that have the usb timecode function.
Great video! For me, my s1h & gh6 both take jam sync via the flash socket and I still have full audio via the mic jack. On the gh6 with the xlr1, I get 4 channels of audio (2 xlr and stereo mic jack) it turns into 24bit 96khz audio if needed plus the external timecode. I tried it on a shoot and thought my zoom f3 sounded better for sure in post but having the flexibility of baking in quality fast audio is helpful. I just wished Final Cut would add audio timecode read!!!!! That would make my life so much easier than going through the tentacle app. Usually for me it’s easier to embed the timecode and render new media since xml workflow has been bonkers for me 🤷🏻♂️ just takes a bit to render out new files but once in post it’s instant syncing!
Oh cool! I never knew that about Panasonic cameras being able to jam sync via the flash socket! Such a good idea! I have actually never worked in Final Cut Pro, but that limitation would make me want to take “Pro” out of the name hahaha
Off the top of my head I think it would be rigging. I have a Kondor Blue caddy for the Sync E which allows me to mount it anywhere on my cage. This can be easily fixed by creating a new caddy for the Track E to mount. I see your points and all valid. I do like the size factor of the Sync E. If the next version of the Track E was slightly smaller then yea its a no brainer. I am all for making more mounting accessories for the Track E or adding a 1/4 20 to it. Ive used the Track E along with a battery powered shotgun mic like a Deity D3 Pro to place mics in different location inconspicuously. I used a pistol grip for the mic, a little tripod and a lot of gaffers tape to make that happen lol
Yes! Rigging the Track E is very difficult and I haven’t found a great way to do it yet. A caddy similar to the one you mentioned would be ideal. If all else fails, GAFF TAPE! Haha!
@@paulhuenefeld have you found a way to rig it yet?
My Deity BP-TRX recorders have been able to output TC forever, but they are no replacement for the dedicated TC-1 boxes I have. I would agree, the pricepoint is what makes the situation different. They should bring the SYNC E down to $149 to make it make sense.
I don’t think I knew the Diety recorders were able to do that as well!
Yes, sync e price definitely needs to come down 👏🏻
Why do you think the TRX aren’t a replacement for the tc-1? Price?
im so tempted to pick a few up to start doing weddings. seems like something thats a no brainer.
100% no brainer for weddings!
Do you know if once you pair the sync e and track e. Or two track e units, do they auto pair and sync when you turn them on again? Can you just power them up and start recording? Or do you need to use the app every time to sync everything up?
Yes, I believe that you have re-sync the devices each time they are powered on.
Is there an option to output the timecode audio signal via the USB-C port?
That would be amazing! But no I don't think so....
Does the timecode audio out work while recording on the US version? I don't have one yet but i thought the audio out is disabled when recording due to some patent.
Oh gosh! I am really not sure about that! I should have tested it!
No it doesn't. The output is muted entirely once the Track E is recording, no matter what setting you select as the output's purpose. Extremely hobbled for us Americans.
It's nice benefit to be able to use the Track E as a Sync E but I don't think it's a smart choice over having the Sync E(s). Just plug the Sync E's into the cameras and leave them there for the duration and , for me, it's been fool proof(and I am a novice fool....lol). Those Tentacle guys need to be commended for their obvious passion for their products. I wish all others would follow their example. Great product. Enjoyed the video.Cheers.
Thanks! Yes, I’m very excited to see what else Tentacle creates!
I'd love and option where they scrap the time code and added wireless mic capabilities to compete with the rodes wireless pro ii
Yes that would be super handy!
The whole idea of this product is to free filmmaker from wireless system shortcomings like loss of signal or frequency interference. I'd never go back to wireless mics.
Does the new tentacle cable work for the a7iv as well? Or is the a7iv still need to use the 3.5mm jack?
Yeah I’m pretty sure the A7IV still can only do timecode into the 3.5mm audio input. Sorry!
@@paulhuenefeld thank you!
I'm new to video/audio. I have lumix g9. So if I would like to make movie with 2 people with two units of Track E audio recorder what option I have to sync audio and video (II use da vinci) in easy and fast way without having Sync E for timecode generation?
also what about this
"Please be aware that the timecode output feature is not a complete replacement for a SYNC E timecode generator let alone the. Although we have tested this feature thouroghly, we can't guarantee that it works with all third party audio and video devices. Therefore we recommend a test including post production workflow before shooting"
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'In the US purchased TRACK E devices, the headphone output is muted when recording audio. Therefore timecode output will also be disabled."
I would think in that scenario, you would still need to sync audio and video manually. You could use a slate or audio waveform with camera scratch audio. Then the primary benefit of using the Track E devices would be the internal 32bit float audio recording.
Yes that is definitely a limitation in how I presented it, but I may have not explained exactly how I was using it correctly. I wasn’t recording on the track e while also generating timecode for the camera. It was able to pass through the audio of a mic plugged in while still generating timecode and the audio from that mic was recorded to the right channel of the camera audio and left channel had the timecode audio signal. Hopefully that makes more sense! This is simply a workaround for the case of loosing scratch audio on your camera when using the track e instead of sync e because the sync e has a scratch mic on the unit itself. Thanks!
I don't think that Track E can replace the Sync E yet. I've installed the new version of software and upon checking the app I found that you don't have any options of Sync E. The only things you can choose is what comes out of headphone output. There's no option for choosing the TC format and camera frame rates. It looks like you still need the Sync E box, but you don't have to install it on your camera and therefore less wire clutter.
I use the track E as on camera mic recorder.
Good to know. I didn’t notice the difference in options when I looked 👍🏻
Thanks!
@@paulhuenefeld here's what they have on their website. I'm in the US. I haven't tested it yet but if the signal will be muted during recording then it's a bummer.
Please be aware that the timecode output feature is not a complete replacement for a SYNC E timecode generator. Although we have tested this feature thouroghly, we can't guarantee that it works with all third party audio and video devices. Therefore we recommend a test including post production workflow before shooting.
In the US purchased TRACK E devices, the headphone output is muted when recording audio. Therefore timecode output will also be disabled.
@@DmitriOcean Yeah, I think they are probably just covering themselves from people being angry if it doesn't work in their specific scenario. I have had zero problem running the Track E as a timecode generator, BUT I never use it to record audio and generate timecode at the same time.
There have been a couple instances were I've used it with my Sony a7siii into the audio port. Before the most recent firmware for this camera that now gives you timecode through usb with an adapter!!! I would connect a scratch mic to the Track E and then route the audio output of the Track E as such:
Timecode--Left Channel // Mic--Right Channel
That gives me timecode audio that can be converted to metadata timecode later while also having that right channel as a scratch audio if I need it as a backup.
NOW, with the long awaited firmware for the A7siii, I can just embed metadata timecode using the usb adapter and still keep 2 channels of audio!!!!!
@@paulhuenefeld I hear ya. I'm not a pro and still use a6500 which is a bit outdated but still a great camera. Currently I use sync e box and track e box mounted to the rig at the same time. I was hoping to eliminate the sync e box with this update, but no luck. I'll be selling the US unit and buy a European one. I love the product, but I hate those damn "patent infringements".
@@DmitriOcean Yes I'm with you on the patents! So frustrating!
So, how are you using the Track E mounted on your camera rig? Are you not using it for a traditional LAV setup???
The tentacle prices on BHphoto are the following.
Tentacle Sync TRACK E Pocket Audio Recorder with Lavalier Mic and Timecode Support,
349.99.
Tentacle Sync TRACK E Pocket Audio Recorder Basic Box with Timecode Support (Recorder Unit Only)
249.99
Tentacle Sync Omnidirectional Lavalier Microphone with Locking 3.5mm Connector (Black)
65
so if you buy them separately you save $35. Thats just confusing though.
Wow that is confusing! Prices are always changing and you never know why hahaha!