Does a Cobra jet manifold make more power than a 18 manifold?
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Yes and anyone that thought differently is on absolute crack. Proof inside.
Don't believe hype about ported 18 vs Cobra jet, The Cobra jet manifold is still king daddy of manifolds, Don't take my word for it, This video shows a 18 mustang GT manual on E85, Cat deletes and a pmas intake With a stock 18 manifold, get upgraded to a Cobra jet setup with longtubes, and the difference is nuts.
Cobra Jet is king hands down. Very happy and proud of my CJ setup and is one of the fastest NA cars that’s on the road. Very good video Alex we can always count on you!
Will my 14 GT pass emissions with the CJ kit with the 60mm CJ TB installed?
@@400hpmustang it will pass emissions if u pay extra money..
Scotty N sorry for the late reply. It should pass emissions.
The fastest N/A Coyote cars ALWAYS have a CJ. Thats what it was designed to do!
According to Ford Performance it was developed and based on the naturally aspirated Cobra Jet race car.
Performance parts for Mustangs used to be affordable, and cheaper, which is one reason they became so popular. $1,500 for an exhaust which is still just metal tubing, and $1,000 for an intake manifold is ludicrous. Almost all the performance parts for these newer Mustangs are just way absurdly overpriced.
my thoughts exactly coming from a fox mustang and sn95 mustang guy my wife has a new coyote and it's totally ridiculous on the parts prices that's why I moved over to the f body side of the house LS motors gen 3 in particular the best horsepower value motor ever!
You don’t have i buy the most expensive shit and or buy it brand new
Troy Lambert it’s because these parts add a lot of horsepower the mods for your sn95 added like 20 hp
@@jakechaplin9766 not the turbo kit
We have a coyote mustang right now and it's a great car but the prices are sky-high on the parts my LS1 f body Camaros kick the shit out of my coyote with just a cam and exhaust
I think the misinformation come from the 11-14 guys who make same power with cj or 18 because they do not have better cam profiles and heads like the gen 2 coyotes
Yep exactly 412 to the crank is a pretty big difference compared to 430 to the crank and some people have a hard time understanding that my 2011 coyote is getting a gen 2 swap as we speak
Unless its a Boss 302
Cobra jet- 1000
Throttle body- 650
CAI- 350 = $2000
18 MANIFOLD ported is what $550? Use stock TB and CAI.. THATS where the difference is. Price
Exactly, but 30 RWHP is 30 RWHP LOL
I heard u gotta pay to play..
@@YDBT4LIFE yes very true. Is 30hp worth 1400? I think yes. the only reason I haven't gone from 18 to a Cobra jet is because it doesn't fit under my Stock hood on my foxbody.
But you have to attribute at least 10hp to the headers, so now it's a $1500 price difference for 20 RWHP. Just saying.
Ok so it made 30hp more with the headers, CJ and "cold" air, no cats, and exhaust..
The butt hurt is coming...
TwoPonies s550 fax
CJ FTW! Just sent mine off to Bret Barber to have it ported. Also thinking about using that same DMark CAI with mine too.
Bhahahaha INCONSISTENT 🗑️. CLOUT CHASER P MASS 4 the win
It really is simple, the fastest N/A 18-19 car runs a Cobra Jet manifold.. not a ported stocker.
Right on smoke!
@Coyote Drew: what makes the Cobra jet so much better than a ported stock!?
scar face probably the entire cobra jet manifold design is superior
@@scarface9617 Only because of the bigger Throttle body. If you run a 90MM TB on the 18 then the 18 is superior.
The fastest NA 18-19 car is an all out race car with cams, etc. is it not? How many people who own a late model mustang spend all day reving the thing over 7K? Not everyone wants to build the fastest NA racecar in the world.
We need to be real people. You put LTH and a cobrajet intake/ trottle body for $2,500+ and make 24 more hp. 24hp!!!!!!! Come on my friend. If you want to be fair, put a ported stock 18 manifold with the LTH and the agresive tune that can be achieve with them and lets see the real numbers. Apples to Apples.
Dont forget the nitrous kit you can add with all the money saved on a ported 18' 100-150 rwhp cobra jet price vs 18' price would get cobra jet would get smoked and its still technically N/A
@@bitpro8903 yes...
Since when is nitrous n/a?
@@390fe451 it's a fuel it's not used to pressurize so technically it's NA
If it's a fuel why do you need to add fuel? Because it's an oxygenator...adding oxygen just like forced induction. Get out of here with your bs
Y’all kill me talking about a CJ is half the cost of a blower where y’all getting y’all blowers lemme know so I can get one that cheap
CJ: $1000
Supercharger:$6-8,000
Am I missing something?
@@spawn302 yes, cj is 2k
@@mudargamer lol. What point are you trying to make. The CJ is still substantially cheaper than a blower.
@@Gltokensp06 not making any, just correcting his prices, I'd rather spend 3 times the price of cj for 10× more power
@@Gltokensp06 CJ is 1k, intake is 400$, throttle body is 600-800$ depending on which. You’ll definitely need catless longtubes h/xpipe 1800-2200, tune 500-700 from lund, fuel injectors 300, All in all around 5k
Considering around half the gain is likely from headers this still seems like a pyrrhic victory, at best, for Cobra Jet manifold. I don't doubt the CJ is still, technically, top dog but it's HP/$ is pretty mediocre to bad (between 33 and 66$/whp) so it should probably be one of the last mods on your list for the average guy. Hell, it's price is almost halfway to a basic supercharger. You can actually buy some decent journal bearing turbos for less than this manifold.
Me, personally, I think I can live with the small hit to HP and spend the difference elsewhere, and still have more HP overall. But for the guy who has deep pockets and wants every last bit of power or has already built up the motor everywhere else, this can be a good option.
Stock 18 manifold meaning last dyno run was not ported? And didn't have the long tubes? Seems like a lot of money for maybe 10-20hp
S P that’s what I’m thinking. It wasn’t ported
Exactly, it's not an even comparison..
Cobra Jet and Stainless Works LTH on my 13 GT and it is a beast!!! Amazing sound
How did that only make 484? On a dyno jet I made that with a stock ported mani and I just got a ported cj and felt way more of a difference
Everyone here complaining about how "expensive" our cars are to build. 🤦♂️ I'm coming from the Vq world and trust me Mustangs are the best bang for your buck car. I know people who dropped 4k on a NA build to make 320whp lol
Yikes
I felt that….. and I still own my Z 😥
I saw another tuner saying the 18 intake is better than the cj intake for the gen 1 coyote :o..... cj is king hands down
Me too. And I’m currently using those guys tune. I think they were just trying to promote there 2018+ intake manifold sale they had going. Definitely wanting to switch to Lund after I saw that video.
NorthWest HorsePower which tune is that
Doggo That’s ridiculous, I have a buddy who had a cobra jet manifold, he fell for then ported 18 hype, installed it, and he literally got 2 cars slower!
jr9307 A tune company put up a video of the cobra jet making less power than a ported 2018 mani. And it was more than likely just because they were trying to sell there 2018 manifolds and there install kit they had on sale. You can look it up if you want, but I don’t want to bash that company’s name. It’s kinda ridiculous
NorthWest HorsePower Fucking VMP straight bullshitting people.
Backing up my validation of buying a Cobra Jet intake.
And for everyone bitching about a cj setup being 2k.... buy a complete used setup for 1200
noldevin I just bought I lightly used one with a vmp twin 67 and cold air for 1k. They are out there and for that price it’s worth it I am sure
@@StoicMiles exactly idk where ppl are coming up w 2k difference...u can get them much cheaper used and also the 18 manifold isnt free either unless u have an 18 up...a 18 manifold costs 300-400 dont it? People also downplay the difference...oh 20 wheel isnt worth 2k...first off it isnt just 20 wheel that is peak to peak difference...beyond 7k where it matters the difference is alot more and itll carry it out alot more making the car in the real world faster ecspecially if you have at least l&m intake only cams to help take advantage of it they really compliment each other well and is the route im going when i get my coyote
@@michaelharris748 u got it?
Just bought a used ported CJ and 67mm vmp for 1500
@@chrishall7661 its worth the premium over an 18 it is the better intake period. People focus too much on peak numbers instead of worrying about what really matters which is carrying the power out alot more up top. That is what makes properly done cj cars pull like a raped ape lol people dropping 1000 bucks on an axle back that doesn't do shit for performance really but complain about the price of a cj. In the real world a proper cj is gonna make way more difference than an axel back more mods you got the more itll shine too.
E85 arh ported cj and Lund jr desclamer tune would of made 500hp
My friend makes 505 without a ported CJ , Texas speed headers , CJ , mono blade 100 TB , PMAS intake and Jonathanperfomance e85 tune
Lots of money for that power but some guys have deep pockets.
Underfedcoyote 5.0 gotta pay to play if you are serious about NA power with only 5.0L’s to play with.
It is aloy of money for the gains but its more than just peak to peak gains...car will be significantly faster when set up this way which is what the idea is. You can make an na car run pretty damn hard set up correctly and its nowhere near what boost costs so its all relevant
Michael Harris I agree, I’m extremely happy with how my car runs and it’s super reliable.
@@g8r5oh10 your car def rolls out
mgerren88 thanks!
Im not lowering my engine for no Cobra jet intake F that bs ! LOL
Bigdaddytrucker you could just swap your hood 🤷♂️
@@snrecon9237 not worth all money and time
People cut that black plastic liner out of their hood and it will clearance. Not 100% sure it will work on the 18-19 since the hood is lower.
Get a cheap hood cut the shape out and wrap it
Bigdaddytrucker works with stock hoods just have to do some cutting
Cobra jet for the win
The CJ is always run with the bigger Throttle body and the 18 never gets run with a matching 90MM throttle body. Run the 18 with the Ford Racing 90MM and watch the CJ go down.
Because the 18 doesn't gain much of anything from a tbody change. The cj runs a diff tbody because it has to. The larger dual opening flows more air and a mono even more so. This is part of what makes the cj better that is what you're paying the money for.
7 people just bought a ported 2018 manifold.
That’s the power a 2018 mustang gt makes in ported 2018 with E85
This is an e85 car
@@F1FIDY i know thats what i said
So swap a ported 18 manifold on same day same dyno. Don’t see how this proves anything. Porting a 18 manifold picks up 10-15 hp. And this car had longtubes. So the cj will pick up 5-10 hp and lose power everywhere besides peak. How exciting for the money
I took that stud out bent ac line as far away as possible zip tiem havent had issue. Steeda running their 120mm on stock air box with cj set up checkem Out
Can you do a video on a 2nd gen with the cobrajet manifold
The ported 18 made the same numbers as far as vmp video, if not better...
No collusion or obstruction here. Yolo report shows that CJ is king.
#nocollusion
#idon'tsellparts
@@YDBT4LIFE but you have beef with people who do, and ties to others that do.. so take it for what it's worth. Don't act like you're unbiased.
@@matt6951 I have beef with people that lie. I'm ok with that.
Does that make a big difference on a boosted application as well? I just got a TT hellion kit for my 2015 GT was thinking to do a ported 18s manifold i also have a gt350 TB, was thinking to throw it on a 18 mani. Or stock TB will be better?
Yes a massive difference. I gained 150whp after boss intake and smaller pulley. Just get the 18 mani and use whatever TB your tuner likes. Both are fine
I made 485 with my ported 18 setup on E85 with my M6. Shooting for 500 with the CJ soon
This debate is so reminiscent of the LS1 intake debate from the mid-late 2000s. Back then it was LS6 intake (stock ZO6, GTO and CTSV manifold) vs the F.A.S.T. Intake (think aftermarket CJ intake). The cost investment was similar too. $400 for a used intake, $75 for a bigger air lid, reuse the stock throttle body and you're in pretty good shape. But on heads/cam setups the 78mm opening couldn't hang with a full 102mm setup/better intake design, although forum bros will say otherwise. But the full set up was $1600ish. And here we are 10 years later, same shit
King Daddy CJ FTW
That car was definitely made on a Friday after the Employee Appreciation Luncheon.
Mr Alex I have a question about the intake manifold. I've seen a lot of guys around here in San Diego running the CJ's, ported 18's and all that but I rarely ever see (I look contantly on youtube) or hear about guys running the Holley Sniper intakes, and I was wondering if there were any benefits or drawbacks to that system compared to the CJ with the same mods...
Not a fan of the holley sniper.
People aren't saying the 18gt manifold makes the same power, they are saying for 1/4 the price it's the better buy.
Agreed. Also the drivability of the 18 manifold is going to be much better. Yea CJ more power but only at full throttle is it worth it. And don’t forget about new motor mounts. So for about 2k more then a 18 mani I guess 30whp is worth it for some.
My 11 gt put down 435 with an 18 intake. Im happy with my 1/4 th of the price intake. Lol
What poverty boys say...
@@kingtee94 the bank prolly owns your car lol.
Brandon Newhouse think they own my CJ also? 😂
That poly elbow was collapsing and flapping about 😂
I am predicting (prior to watching the video) that the CJ will make more HP in the upper RPM range which is best on the drag strip. The ‘18 manifold will make more TQ and more overall HP under the curve which is better on the street.
That's usually how the comparison goes between the 18 and the CJ. The guy in the video is being pretty presumptive about what other people claim and it's implications. I've never heard anyone argue the ported 18 makes the same power as a CJ, the argument is usually that it's a better "bang for the buck" in most cases.
@@177SCmaropeople act like they're essentially "the same thing" so it's crazy to go cj. Cj outperforms it easily there is more to it than peak to peak numbers. They wanna talk about torque low w the 18 but the cj don't lose torque its not like a boss. Nobody talks about how the cj shits on the 18 above 7k and when cams are involved the difference is even more so.
The cj makes more average across the entire rpm band especially above 7000
@@midnight347
Depends almost entirely on the engine underneath it.
If it's a stock coyote, especially a 1st gen, the cobra jet intake doesn't really do anything and the 18, esp ported, is the way to go.
If it's a highly modified engine - high compression, racing cams, lots of rpm -then you'll see gains, esp high rpm, with the cj but the ported 18 will still do about 85% of what the cj does and save a ton of money.
The cj intake does definitely win the looks department.
Ultimately it's up to you if you want to spend the extra money, almost the price of a turbo system btw, for a high dollar manifold.
I just went a 10.23 making about 700hp with the stock 18 manifold not even proted, vvt deleted sec gen stock cams and a little boost I don't even shift it that high, like 6800rpm. If I was building an all out, especially NA motor, I'd definitely bite the bullet and go with the cj though but for like 95% of your mustangs out there that just have headers and a tune the 18 manifold is just fine.
And I still maintain that the best intake manifold for the coyote isn't the cj or the 18, it's the belt-driven one, lol.
Those upr mounts if you don't put 1 of the spacer in will hit the 3 nubs on the power steering put one spacer in or grind down nubs. But that was also the additional weight of the whipple on my 17 that i found that. Hope this helps someone.
So you guys aren't even talking about the fact that you also added LT headers. So you don't think any of the gains can be attributed to the headers?
I’m confused.. if that’s the case then why does VMP show that the 18 Intake Ported is better than a CJ? According to VMP 18 Ported is 462.77 HP, vs the 462.69 on the CJ.
Someone please explain this.
They're trying to sell their ported 18 intake... the CJ is better, hands down.
@@srhatfield So you are saying they doctored the results or skewed the test intentionally?
@@fullmetaljacktt I am saying that in every other test that I've seen (including this one), dating back 5 years,, the CJ handily beats the other intake manifolds, by a LOT. If VMP tells people that *their* 2018 Intake Manifold is better than a CJ manifold.. well.. sorry, but the evidence is clear that they're wrong.
@@srhatfield Funny this is the only test going back to 18 when it was released that the CJ is at that much of an advantage. Every other test puts the CJ "maybe" 5 hp better with most going to the 18.
Man that thing is sucking some big air if you watch the last pull at 9:55 you can see it sucking in the intake elbow I bet there is still more on the table hahaha
I have an s197 2011. I'm poor so I went with a boss intake. I'm happy with the little bit extra gain
Did anyone else see the rubber elbow from the CAI flex on the last pull??? That was interesting to see.
Yo that was so cool! I'd be very interested to see the fluid analysis as to why that happens. Where is that resonance coming from I wonder.
so why the fuck didn't it make 5xxrwhp. i thought cai, headers and tune was a 10 sec car, WTF ALEX!
Those are some weak numbers that car should be making minimum 500 to the wheels I've seen those cars make over 500 with the stock ported manifold
This is obviously a dyno that reads lower than most it was only doing 455 with cat deletes exhaust pmas cold air and e85 tune which is alot lower than most manuals with those mods
Dynos are tuning tools its the before and after that matters not the actual number idk people can't understand that
William Mustang I agree 100% with you
I’m thinking the manual mustangs must make less power . Because a bunch of my friends with autos with similar set up made more power.
@@gioi8892 negative. Autos loose more power with the converter etc. It's likely just Dyno to Dyno but the Dyno is just a tool.
What about boss manifold vs 18 manifold ???? Bc boss manifold is similar to cobra jet (SIMILAR )
I been wondering the same thing cause they are basically the same just the cj has a much bigger Tb to allow more air flow. The boss might be a closer match up for the 18. And price wise they are also closer.
I reviewed the original video for this car on 8/22/18. Temp was 88 degrees (you said it was "hot") and 60% humidity (historical weather data) @ 10am (time as shown on the dash screen, temp was 96). You also mentioned at the end of the video that the fuel tested @ E70 not E85 because all the 93 was not gone when the E85 was added to the tank. You then stated 460 - 470 is not uncommon with the level of mods on this particular car at the time. So, while it appears your comparing the HP based on JUST intakes, there are far too many variables to take into consideration. In a controlled environment, you'd see different results. Not worth the $$$ IMO. I'll find the 10-15 hp elsewhere and not have to deal with all the BS the Cobra Jet requires to run it.
Big fax, we don't like that kinda attention to detail around here!
facts dude
Should be making close 500whp with all of those mods and the headers. Headers can free up like 40-50whp with a tune. I see 3rd gens with the same setup making that N.A and on e85. That’s an extremely conservative tune.
Incorrect. Most make 480-490
Anyone that makes 500 on stock cams is lying. or manipulating the numbers.
So, it's just not the Intake swap between the dyno run comparisons but also long tube headers were added. That will change the HP too. That 30rwhp is not just from the CJ Intake
Glad you said it cuz I thought I was the only one who caught that. I don’t claim to know anything coyotes but this isn’t really a fair comparison
@@FbodyMackit was almost 35 but they're saying you won't see 35 hp from a ported 18 manifold on a car that already had the 18 and long tubes. The car already had cat deletes. Just long tubes and cj gained over 30 hp alot of it was the cj especially at high rpm.
Long tubes vs cat delete does make a difference you guys are partial to cobra jet. Cobra jet makes more peak hp and 18 has more steady hp throughout the power band. 18 manifold ftw
But what manifold is the quickest and fastest NA mustangs running ?
@@KINGKJ2REAL who gives a fuck I'm going whipple
I have this CJ set up on my 2018 F150 the truck is a bear
Still waiting on a new video from you maurice!
10:02 check out the inlet tube
I did notice that.
But but I thought the ported 18 will give her the beans?! Definitely dyno manipulation. Lol. Too funny.
Is that MBRP race catback or the street catback?
Of course the CJ is the king of manifolds no one is denying that. But being real here, us 11-17 guys get a hell of a value from a 2018 manifold. Even not ported.
Skullcrusher Gaming yep
But a cammed cj car will have a significant jump over an 18 manifold on a gen 1. The reason the cj don't separate as much on gen 1 cars w stock cams is because the stock cams choke it off from being able to do what it does (cj). If you have cams w both the cj will own. I seen a guy pick up 50 rwhp from cj and cams on a gen 1 car that already had an 18 manifold. That is very significant. Once you got the cams that allow the cj to do what it does it's on
I’m not gonna lie, I currently own a 2018 5.0 manual. TUNED BY AEM. My current set up is JLT INTAKE, 2018 PORTED MANIFOLD, CORSA LONG TUBES. EXHAUST. With e of course. And I dynod a little bit higher than this while being on tire at 483 wheel. It’s also a stingy dyno keep in mind.
the dyno read too high, prob not SAE corrected.
Them fucking waterheads tho
as far as I understand it from local tuners. Yes the cobra jet manifold does make more power on top end, but you lose lower end torque. Also, the ported 18 makes power in a more steady increase from throttle to red line. The CJ manifold has little down below but peaks out higher. It was suggested for street driving or occasional track use ported 18. For mostly track only us CJ.
Well said brother
With e85 tune I notice no tq loss and car hauls ass my fav is half throttle at 1500 rpms and lund tune ftw!
Damn, they really buggered up the looks of the valve covers on the newer Coyotes.
Question idk if I missed it
was this on e85 or pump gas ?
High ram shows better numbers .
Damn that is some power!
Funny I was scrolling the comments and someone says that’s a lot of money to make that power or whatever dude and intake exhaust and tune is a lot?!?! I have a push rod 5.0 and it takes some fucking money to make that kind of power, I have a rebuilt bottom end with a main girdle aluminum heads better intake injectors a vortech supercharger ignition box full 3inch exhaust shit goes on and on. Making power isn’t cheap if your some broke dick wanna go fast street outlaw watching turd you best find a new hobby to get interested in
I would say the difference in HP is more from the longtubes than the intake manifold here. Not a really valid test since you changed more than just the intake manifold. I think there are 18's making more with less mods for example Americanmuscle did a video making over 500 with the stock manifold and same mods ua-cam.com/video/d16dLr4pmGA/v-deo.html
Its a low reading dyno it gained 30 whp either way you slice it. As far as longtunes they didnt gain much car already had cat deletes. The end number isnt important on a dyno its a tuning tool its about before and after. 10 hp may be because of the long tubes but car is clearly making more power bscause of the cj. Its the best intake available period. In vmps test they only spin it to 7500.
..cj needs to spin to 8 or better to make best power. Plus the one that matched the cj was ported a ported cj would have made more than a ported 18 despite the fact they were both revved to 7500 which is fine for the 18 not for the cj. The test was biased towards 18 in every way and it still didnt outdo the cj in overall peak power or power under the curve
@@michaelharris748 Here is a better comparison where they change only the intake manifold. It appears the cobra jet is actually worse than other options, atleast on gen 1 heads ua-cam.com/video/GTA6J5O8GTM/v-deo.html
@@michaelharris748 incorrect, the ported 2018 made 462.77hp 402tq, the cj made 462.69hp 399tq, however the difference in these numbers mean nothing as the smallest things can change the numbers. Tune was done for optimisation of the afr, not the optimisation of each manifold. I would Ike to see the CJ rev to 8 even 9 to see it stretch its legs.
How come vmp made a video about comparing this manifold and the 2018 manifold they perform the same for the 2011-2014? 🤷♂️ maybe on old coyotes they perform the same
ps31871 because old coyotes don’t have the better cam profiles of the gen 2 coyote
ps31871 and 2015-2017. Cj is only better on 2018-2019
Good content Alex
Thank you man
Apples and orange fury. If I understand correctly, the difference from the last dyno was the CJ manifold AND long tube headers. I personally attribute most of the HP gain to the LTH's. Alex, you dropped the ball on this one. Put down the crack pipe. VMP did a fair (apples to apples) comparison. This shit is rigged!
Incorrect. Last one was stock manifold. You are the one on crack if you think longtubes add 30rwhp
@@YDBT4LIFE Incorrect? Long tube headers easily add 30 RWHP. Put down the crack pipe and stop the roids.
@@maddogmark6460 I only tune for a living...long tubes over cat deletes are worth maybe 5hp. Sorry bud..you dont know shit
@@YDBT4LIFE That makes sense. Thanks Alex!!! It's all clear now. All those people spending $2K - $3K on LTH plus labor for only a 5HP must be stupid crazy!!!!! Sorry Bud.
@@maddogmark6460 over cat deletes...yep they are. Glad you understand.
I have a question. I have a 14 5oh Gt track pack. Should I get the 18 manifold?
Lol. Track pack or non track pack doesn't matter. And 18 Mani is like installing a boss mani
VMP did this test as well. I recommend everyone watch that video
On that last pull, you could clearly see that intake elbow flexing inward under the pressure of all the air that Cobra jet was sucking in.
Yes it will, just like taking air filter off itll make more hp. Collapsing boot is restricting air flow
10:02 look at the coupler flexing.. can't be good for air flow
It's like it's flapping in the wind LOL
Do you still have to drop the motor down if you have a 4inch cowl hood?
Clearly not. You don’t even have to drop it wth the stock hood, they cut a tiny piece out and it’s fine. Why would you need to drop the half inch with a 4 inch cowl? Tf
sounds like a 3valve
Fuck all that I went to a blower
I mean jlt cold air- corsa headers- borla atak cat back on 93 my car made 470whp.. so I’m sure with a ported mani and a bigger tb and on e85 my car will make more than 479whp 😂😭
Justin Jordan did ported 18 Intake Manifold dyno testing. Even on a 2018 car, the manifold was ported and swapped out, the car gained no power at all.
I have no idea why people deny the CJ worthiness..... Hands down its the Mac Daddy for N/A. This car looks gorgeous, who ever thought of painting the grill gloss black to match the wheels knows that it’s the fine details that make a difference.
I tell u because they only look at peak numbers. It doesn't change peak a ton compared to an 18 but it does improve it and average power goes up significantly as it carries the power out alot more before dropping off. Cj car will smoke an 18 manifold car all things equal. If they're both cammed the difference is even more.
Because it's f**king overpriced!
I can give real numbers on a 2018 Mustang with a ported intake. My ported 2018 intake added 11 RWHP and 5 Torque. Excellent power band from 5,500 rpm to 7,500 rpm, DYNO today 5-1-19. Cost $200 + shipping . I sent my stock intake to Bret Barber (Air Flow Solutions) they did the CNC porting and sent it back. Very happy with the numbers for only $200 and 2 hours of work, take off & back on. I have E85 tune, CAI, headers, x-pipe and now porting done on my intake. I'm not saying its better than a Cobra Jet. A Cobra Jet will get you about 15 HP, more if ported. But the Cost?
The cost is you losing 2 car lengths to the guy who decided to not be cheap. Just saying. Modding and winning races is what it's all about at the end of the day, even if you deny it. You're trying to go faster either way. Fast, cheap, reliable, pick two.
@@jonasblane2157 I would rather put all that money towards a Whipple, that is a REAL upgrade not a CJI. Which would only get me 4 more HP, over a ported intake. Lol...
@@Jamko1970Ok. I would rather put all that money towards a ALDO Welds twin turbo kit with a sleeved motor, built 10r80, fully built setup, and destroy that Whipple car. A turbo kit for the Coyote is a REAL upgrade if you really want to be the fastest, not a supercharger. See what I mean?
@@jonasblane2157 Lmao! There will always be a faster car out there than you!!!!
@@Jamko1970 Well, may your car be the fastest car that day at that meet on whatever setup you decide to build man. Goodluck on all of your builds.
Is it possible to get these numbers, same mods but 10r80?
Yes
Even when Foxbody cars were new... the wanted the long ass runner. Everybody lost their damn mind when I did a Hartman Box intake and picked up 2 tenths in the 1/8 8:28. They bitched about the cost. Which was $358.00 at the time. I hate cheap ass people when it come to cars.
I mean I don’t know. My 18 has a custom HP dyno tune and is a full bolt on with a non ported intake manifold, a Roush CAI and ARH 1-7/8x3 longtubes with high flow cats, Corsa xtreme catback making 470 rwhp/414tq. So is that really different than catless with a ported 18 intake manifold. Doesn’t sound like it. For under $600 get a ported and go catless and you’ll make a whole less 5-7rwhp than the cobra jet intake manifold for a lot less money. Chasing those small gains for that dollar amount makes absolutely no sense. So I don’t know where the word and state that as ton more horsepower’ comes from but still great gains.
I don't think anyone has argued that the 2018 manifold, ported or not, makes more, or even the same, power then the Ford Performance Cobra Jet manifold, most argue that the 2018 manifold is a better "bang for the buck" value given you can still get a 2018 manifold for around 350 bucks (and around 600 ported) if you shop around and the Ford Performance manifold costs almost three times more even if you shop around. The 2018 manifold also tends to make a little more low rpm power compared to the Cobra Jet which is usually a little better for the street which is where most of these cars spend most of their time (the dyno sheet comparison in this video even shows that). For an all out race car that spends all day from 4500-7500 rpm the Cobra is king. For anything else the 18 is probably better. I mean, how much do you want to spend for 30-ish whp over the stock 18 manifold and tune?
The cobra jet manifold is also more likely to have clearance issues and requires a special throttle body which makes it even more expensive. For the amount of money you're going to have into the Cobra Jet manifold, throttle body, and addressing the clearance issues, you might look at setting a set of cams and just having your 18 manifold ported and tune the engine instead.
D Mark is my tuner. He does a nice job making those intakes.
Drew for the win!
The camera guy sounds like Charlie from Its Always Sunny
Vmp made a video and the ported 2018 manifold was dead even with the cobra jet just saying
well shit..... am i really wanting to spend that much on a intake manifold😶 cause i would do a hood as well vs lowering the motor and having a ton of nvh...
AED had made a similar vid a while back and came to same conclusion crowning the CJ Mani king but that wasn't on a 2018 .. glad I got mine they are probably going to start going up in cost now. lols.
So hold on prior to this cobra jet intake manifold install it didn’t have long tubes? And now it does. My long tubes with a stock manifold dyno’ed almost 15-20 more. Not apples to apples then. 10hp isn’t worth the trouble with the cobra jet. All money invested should’ve given the car boost. 455 to 479 is the headers bro. Sorry. Again not apple to apples. My car with a custom tune long tubes, intake, Corsa catback xtreme on 93 is making 475 on a mustang dyno. Stock 18 manifold. Like I said 10hp isn’t worth the trouble.
so no one is really getting 480-500rwhp with stock intake manifold , intake, headers, exhaust, e85 tune from lund or pbd on 10r80???
You wanted to see a real comparison should have did the manifold before the headers so basically you're saying headers are worth nothing for horsepower
Apparently the 18 intake does better on the gen 1 coyote. Vmp posted some content recently, seems it did better than the CJ on the gen 1 engine
That’s probably a load of bullshit. Cobra jets are the best especially on gen 1 coyotes. The cobra jet was made for gen 1’s in fact. I guarantee that they just gave those results because they were doing a sale on 2018 manifolds at the time and we’re focused on business.
@@northwesthorsepower8215 I wouldn't doubt that. Even though VMP is a reputable shop, I definitely took that information with a grain of salt lol
I take my 2015 on the road course so using the CJ is a nonstarter because I can't use my strut tower brace with the CJ since it is too tall :(
Hi dear.. What mods you had done to let the cobra jet fit the underhood?
Can i run a 18 manifold with a 85mm throttle body???
Thank you for this. I have been wanting to go cobra jet on my 18 but other places say the 18 makes the same and I'm wasting my money. Lol
People that say that dont know what theyre talking about. The power you gain and the area in which the gains are at make it very much worth it over an 18. I gaurantee a properly tuned cj setup on an 18 will trap noticeably more than the stock manifold does and et should be lower too assuming traction isnt an issue. Especially with the 10r80 cars that spend all their time at the top of the tach due to the awesome gearing a cj would really wake one of those up
Love your channel. Your videos are awesome. VMP did a test on an N/A Gen 1 coyote and found the 2018 better than cobra jet. Have you seen this? Thoughts?
The gen 1 cams aren't as good as don't allow the cj to work properly. Basically the 18 works better in the range stock gen 1 cams work in but if you have aftermarket cams the cj owns the 18 it's not even close. A cammed cj gen 1 can make 500 wheel on e85. You won't see an 18 manifold car doing near 500 cams or not.
not worth the headache lowering the car and all that vibration. Putting a Super Snake hood allows an owner to do anything moving forward
It's so hard to want to spend half of what a blower cost, boost wins lol
Cobra jet vs ported and polished 18 manifold is the real test
Cobra jet beats it, always.
CJ will still beat it. Then you port the CJ, and guess what? You'll beat it by even more!
But again, the argument is in the value. A ported 18 manifold is 500 bucks and doesn't require a new TB and intake.
@@matt6951 Sure, but you're leaving power on the table. So do you want to maximize the power your capable of NA, or do you want to leave known power on the table.
@@bryanreid5144 you are leaving power on the table by staying n/a. $2500 in a cobra jet set up for 470whp. Just spend $2500 more on a used blower and make 650whp.
Is it on E85? I’ve been seeing 500 rwhp on long tubes, CAI, stock intake, and E85 tune.
I’d expect the CJ to make another 20-30 over factory manifold so maybe 520ish rwhp with that manifold? Maybe the dyno is reading low
@@nateonfireball Or others are reading high, This dyno is super consistent, others read high, and depending on the source, not many 18 manifold cars are hitting 500 RWHP without shenanigans on the dyno, we have no dog in the parts fight, we just tune what's in front of us.
Not every dyno is the same.. one dynoyet will Read different from another dynoyet same as mustang dyno and so on.. the key is to do the tune at the same dyno as you ad parts to see true gains..I’m sure you bring that “500 whp” to pbh dyno and it will read lower
@@justa5oh136 Yep, lol it will read 480 i've had "local tuners" in west palm say they tune better and make 500 whp, then they go to pbh dyno and make 460 lol.
Alejandro Flores the problem with guys today rather go to a dyno that they know reads high but know the tuner is crap because there buddy with minimal mods blah blah blah...You need to stick with one credible tuner and not dick hop around because you’re boyfriend got higher reading somewhere else
Is it me our is the 18 up gt with manual transmission making less power then automatic ? Also I would have liked to see dyno run before the headers where installed. . I know of 5 our more 18 up mustangs automatics without cobra jet making more power and stang mode made just shy of 500 rear wheel . How do you actually know if the power increased was cj our the long tubes.